Extreme weather cost US insurers $34bn in 2011

Drought, wildfires and flooding pile on pressure as report calls for insurance industry to factor climate change into new models

By John Parnell

The US insurance industry racked up losses of $34bn during 2011, according to a new report.

The Ceres sustainable investment coalition said the losses are the largest in a single year since 2005.

Extreme weather triggered widescale drought, wildfires and tornadoes in the West and Central States while the East coast was battered by storms and flooding.


Click to enlarge. (Source: Ceres)

The report outlines evidence linking climate change to the extreme weather and makes suggestions on how the industry could buffer itself against the increasing risks.

“Insurance is the first line of defence against extreme weather losses, but climate change is a game-changer for the models that insurers have long relied on,” said Washington State Insurance Commissioner Mike Kreidler, who contributed to the report. “Companies will need to adapt if insurance is to remain available and affordable.”

“Just as the insurance industry asserted leadership to minimize building fire and earthquake risks in the 20th century, the industry has a huge opportunity today to lead in tackling climate change risks,” said Mindy Lubber, president of Ceres.

US droughts this summer have driven up food prices while extreme weather has also caused hundreds of deaths.

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Climate HomeJanuary 23, 2017 2:59 pm
Hi Derek Scientific models show these threats are increasing, as we have reported: http://chn.webxost.com/2015/04/15/world-set-for-record-droughts-by-2050-report/ The impacts vary by region. Some extreme weather events have a stronger link to climate change than others: http://chn.webxost.com/2016/10/24/rapid-glacier-melt-threatens-bolivia-water-supplies-safety/ http://chn.webxost.com/2015/05/18/is-climate-change-driving-brazils-drought-chaos/ http://chn.webxost.com/2016/06/06/deadly-european-floods-are-in-line-with-climate-predictions/ Investment in flood defences and drought-resistant seeds can help poorer communities prepare for these changes
Joe BorzaJanuary 23, 2017 12:24 pm
https://energyelephant.com/createAccount It's the best way to get to low cost, low carbon energy use for any organisation.
FIFO69January 23, 2017 5:59 am
What is the split between Chinas investments in fossil fuels worldwide compared to renewables over the same period? Is the investment in renewables number material or are they hedging their bets? Sounds like more propaganda green spin from IEEFA attempting to discourage investment in coal to me..
BrianJanuary 22, 2017 2:29 pm
Harmful to billionaire coal investors. Solar and wind are available cheaper before gov breaks and the solar pv build out is already hiring more people than fossils and nuclear workers combined.
Jeff PJanuary 22, 2017 2:56 am
China, the world's biggest CO2 emitter and worst industrial polluter, takes the lead on climate change... meanwhile the US walks backwards into the future, promising to prop up the failing coal mining companies that are incapable of competing in the "free market" that US conservative politicians love to talk about.
CRJanuary 21, 2017 11:38 pm
We need massive. renewed organizing around the climate issue in the US. Everyone should call their Member of Congress and the White House weekly to express outrage at the ignorant policies being put forward by the Trump Administration. In a time when cutting back carbon is vital and urgently needed, this is an absurd move. It must be called out repeatedly, non-stop, with increasing action and messaging by millions of concerned citizens until we force them to reverse it. Stupid, stupid people.
Timothy ParishJanuary 21, 2017 4:16 pm
All climate agreements signed under Obama need to be presented to the Senate, where all treaties belong, for up or down vote
TrackingTrumpJanuary 21, 2017 2:53 am
Is this website for real?
gabeJanuary 21, 2017 2:04 am
I would add to the list of "calibrated ... interventions" the announcement on Jan. 5 of $360 billion in renewable energy by 2020, as reported in Climate Home: http://chn.webxost.com/2017/01/05/china-to-invest-361bn-in-clean-power-by-2020/
hnyrJanuary 20, 2017 12:58 pm
100% fake, looked it up on google maps satellite view and there was nothing search for funafala if you want to see it yourself
orwellianfutureJanuary 19, 2017 4:59 pm
For a global climate change news site, the rhetoric is overwhelming. Let's start here: "But as we dig down into more detailed aspects of climate science, killer arguments are harder to find because the truth is that the science is unsettled." No, it is not. Among the scientists it is settled. You move on to quote the IPCC, a mostly political organization that of course will use language that is framed as 'likely', 'mostly', 'could', etc. Yes, scientists use confidence, but it is used as a confidence interval, in mathematics. I don't know a scientist that does not wholeheartedly believe in AGW. And that the science is settled. Perhaps you are not looking at the correct science.
crazydave789January 19, 2017 3:44 pm
I wonder if gore gets flood insurance on his many seafront properties?
crazydave789January 19, 2017 3:40 pm
so climatechangenews refuses alternate debate. how very catholic of you
DerekJanuary 19, 2017 3:38 pm
Adverse climates have always been a major problem for poorer parts of the world. There are no more droughts or floods today than there were in the past. If aid is needed then we need to be honest.
JamesWimberleyJanuary 19, 2017 12:30 pm
The Indian import figures for coal are for all sectors (link). The exact scope of Goyal's commitment does not matter, coal imports will stop soon except where a plant is technically dependent on them.
judy_wrightJanuary 18, 2017 4:27 am
Treaty Power: Treaty nations tax inside borders and imports from non-teaty nations, and get to keep a share of 'greens' - wealth spent only on repaying national debt and supporting Nature;
RjJanuary 18, 2017 2:09 am
People really got to prepare for the end of things. Guy McPherson from U of Az. Has said we don't have even 10 years till extinction. Many at Arctic news. Com ( collection of scientists posting under Sam ) do to governmental censure. All say by 2030 mass extinction on planet.
agelbertJanuary 17, 2017 9:29 pm
Agreed. The internal combustion engine powered vehicle is going the way of the Dodo bird.
Paul MatthewsJanuary 17, 2017 2:32 pm
Let me check I've got this right. Trump's team complain that climate science has become politicised. So the UK climate science community writes to Theresa May, "urging" her to "press" him to take action on climate change?
HectorAsuipeJanuary 17, 2017 4:41 am
And a year on...paralysis by virtue of accountability. They have not allocated any money for fear of a project failure (hence the paperwork), but are just failing in a different way. The pledges are there but the actual deposits into the GCF facilities have yet to be collected because the donors will not commit until there is a proven track record. But a proven track record means that they cannot take risks and thus are moving very cautiously. Round and round it goes with just a shiny building and a bunch of staffers quibbling over documents.
BrianJanuary 17, 2017 1:04 am
Solar is cheaper. under 3 cents per KWH. LCOE. Solar needs less than 1% of the land to supply more than a even a first world energy system needs, You can grow things under them. Solar stabilized the grid and can provide reactive power as well. Nothing is as fast to respond as electronic inverters. And coal and nuclear baseload plants need spinning reserve too. The only way to totally get rid of spinning reserve, renewable or not, is with grid scale batteries with a 15 to 1 hour capacity. That will save any grid, massive amounts of spinning reserve wasted fuel.
BrianJanuary 17, 2017 1:02 am
Great news. I used to rail against the big utility scale solar pv projects, but even on land, solar pv needs less the 1% of the land. Yeah, India does not have a strong grid, and million are not on it at all, so distributed rooftop solar would get those folks electricity NOW. search india-builds-worlds-largest-solar-power-plant-covering-2500-acres 648MWp 678M$ installed in just 8 months. It's hard to imagine installing solar pv that fast. Indian needs to backup solar and wind with fuels from wastes, of which they have plenty and they are a problem. Pyrolysis with fractional condensation following by gassification of the char. For clean yard and farm wastes, the char is a great soil enhancement, biochar, that can double the productivity of poor soils while being massively carbon negative.
BrianJanuary 17, 2017 1:01 am
No true. No one word of it.
paulJanuary 16, 2017 11:32 pm
tell him the truth, that way , hopefully, he will live his life to the fullest while we can still breathe
CharlesJanuary 16, 2017 5:39 am
Easy solution. Use 100% Bio Coal. Biomass Secure Power and River Basin Energy
peterJanuary 16, 2017 1:48 am
American dummy,dummy dummy shot themselves in the foot by harassing vw about caremission while their rattlesnake ,yanke cars are as much bad and worse,-so what well sorry ,we get electric cars and wont be using diesel,to the downturn of gas and wallstreet,billion dollars of loses for not sold diesel:'how smart is that for the money hungry yanks loss of money!
CRJanuary 16, 2017 1:44 am
As an American, let me express sincere thanks to our friends in the British scientific community for this appeal to PM May that takes a stand to support ongoing climate science in America. Encouragement, advice and even pressure from our friends and allies is very important in influencing the Trump administration from both inside and outside the US on this vitally important issue. It's a dark time in America. Our allies can help make it just a little bit lighter, and give us all hope that progress on climate will continue even as we struggle to retain our freedoms and financial security under Trump. When it comes to climate, we've simply run out of time for politics.
BillhookJanuary 14, 2017 3:44 pm
Karl - there's an aspect to the issue of car-makers' fraudulent emissions claims that has yet to be addressed by govts or media. All of the exposed frauds to date (and more can surely be expected) concern diesel cars - which we're now told have worse CO2/km outputs than petrol cars - but why would fraud only have occurred in the corporations' diesel divisions ? If a board chooses to commit fraud in one division, why not in another ? The risks are no greater and the sales benefits may be equally seductive. I hope you'll find time to make enquiries on this matter, as at present the upshot of the scandal looks like carmakers deciding to concentrate remaining FF vehicle production on the single petrol ICE, rather than having that capacity unhelpfully split between diesel and petrol versions and so being under greater pressure from EVs' rising competitiveness to write off very expensive ICE-vehicle production capacity well short of its design life. Regards, Lewis
ThucydidesJanuary 14, 2017 2:23 am
Yes, bring it on! Not sure about 'petrol powerchains', but great article.
JamesWimberleyJanuary 13, 2017 1:34 pm
He did not have the votes for a carbon price. IMHO the biggest failure within Obama's control was on PACE residential financing, a small point but part of a wider failure on housing, see HAMP.
JamesWimberleyJanuary 13, 2017 1:30 pm
The simplest way for Tillerson to square the circle is this: 1. Denounce the Paris Agreement, with effect in November 2020, the timetable it lays down in Article 28. 2. Stay in the framework Rio Convention, ratified by the USA with unanimous Senate consent. The USA would therefore keep its seat at the various climate tables until the clock runs out, and Trump gets to keep his promise. The strategy guarantees that the Paris Agreement will be a central issue in the 2020 election, as the Democrat will propose to re-ratify. It would be courteous for Trump to extend the timetable by 2 months to take effect just after the January 2021 Inauguration. This would allow the newly elected President to quickly confirm or annul, but courtesy is not in Trump's playbook.
BillhookJanuary 12, 2017 7:00 pm
Considering that the Paris Agreement signed by 195 nations was predicated on the need for a global "Carbon Recovery" effort to avoid AGW exceeding 2.0C, the USGCRP report seems rather out of date: - the US has already committed to one of the two forms of geoengineering. How soon it will commit to the research, development and necessary UN mandate for the deployment of the second form - "Albedo Restoration" - is an open question. That it will do so is rather obvious to anyone who appreciates the fact that even radical Emissions Control + Carbon Recovery offer no prospect of cooling the planet - on the contrary waming would continue for ~35yrs after the end of anthro-emissions (the timelag being due to the oceans' thermal inertia) which very likely means continuous warming to 2085. This means for at least 68 yrs they will not limit the advance of the eight "Major Interactive Feedbacks" [MIFs], whose current acceleration under just ~1.0C of AGW is widely reported in the scientific literature. Unless those MIFs are halted by planetary cooling, their combined annual outputs of GHGs + Warming will grow past the point of of fully swamping the remaining carbon sinks and so fully offsetting even a total halt to anthro-CO2 emissions. From this perspective, what is urgently needed - alongside rapid Emissions Control and Carbon Recovery programs - is the agreement of a UN-mandated scientific supervision agency to oversee perhaps a decade of global research of a reliably-benign Albedo Restoration technology, whose trial deployment can then be considered by the member nations of the UN as the means to achieve the crucial planetary cooling. That this will mean facing down those who may dishonestly try to pretend that geoengineering means CO2 emissions could continue, is merely an inevitable requirement of the climate predicament we face. Regards, Billhook
BillhookJanuary 11, 2017 11:36 pm
The Reuters report on the issue of China's energy investment budget to 2020 included the intriguing statement : “with tidal and geothermal getting the rest, the NDRC said.” With “the rest” amounting to $45 billion by 2020, this is arguably the most significant fraction of the budget. Along with the other ‘Reliables’ of Solar Thermal and Offshore Wave, the Tidal and Geothermal energies have been largely ignored by developed nations for decades, while renewables funding has been focussed on the ‘Intermittent’ energies of PV and Wind. Given the scale of investment in Coal, Oil, Gas & Nuclear, and given that this perverse Intermittents investment priority has allowed those lobbies to harp on “the intermittency weakness of renewables” for the last 30 years, it would seem highly naive to assume that the West’s ignoring the ‘Reliable' energies has been accidental. With China investing $45bn in two of the Reliables by 2020, all the old baseload techs are going to face competition with dispatchable renewables, led by Tidal and Geothermal, which both have large untapped cost-reduction potentials. The propaganda that "Renewables cannot provide energy security" will be shown to be merely another fossil lobby lie by this development. In terms of their present costs it is worth noting that in last year’s utility-scale unsubsidized capacity auction in Chile, Geothermal was bid at ~ $65/MWH, which was more than present coal-power but far below the EDF Gen-4 nuclear plant at Hinkley, which needed a price of ~$120/MWH indexed to inflation and guaranteed for 35yrs to be (theoretically) worth building. Tidal Power was fortunate to have a small barrage built at La Rance in Brittany, France, in 1966 that was opened by De Gaulle, had paid off its costs by 1986, and has since then provided the equivalent of a continuous 55MW in a very predictable peak about each 12hrs 25mins. Alongside the estimated 250-year design-life of the barrage, according to the owner (EDF) the cost of that Reliable power is about $18/MWH . . . With China putting $45bn into these two techs by 2020 it will demonstrate some of their potential both to overseas interests and to its own specialists and government policy makers. Thus we are likely to see radical change in China's spending priorities thereafter, with nuclear plans being written off on grounds of cost at least as fast as coal is shuttered for its carbon output. And where the largest global investor in energy supply technologies leads, others - from India to Brazil to the EU to Africa - will predictably follow suit. Best news I’ve seen in a while. Regards, Lewis
BillhookJanuary 11, 2017 7:39 pm
Having commented on the Nordhaus article 5 or 6 days ago, this seems a good place to put the following comment on the potential for improvement of the commenting system. Climate Home's practice of not publishing comments for six or more days obstructs the development of discussion of its often excellent articles. Why would people bother to spend time commenting if their comment will only be seen by that small fraction of the readership that reads week-old articles ? And why would those readers bother to comment in reply if theirs will then only be seen by a still tinier fraction of the readership ? The present policy gives the worst of outcomes - readers views are plainly not valued - no discussion at all arises after most articles - and the lack of comments gives the perverse impression that this site lacks any sizable readership. Given that it's hard to see the present discreditable outcomes as being desired by the site's management and as being the result of intentional policy, it is surely time for a change of normal practice on this matter ? I know from experience how much work is involved in monitoring numerous articles' discussions both for new posts and for deleting 'innappropriate contributions', but there is another option that could greatly cut that labour without raising the delay of comments being posted. This would require comments to be posted at the time of writing, with a daily trawl to then clear out the predictable denialism that tries to keep the agenda on "Whether AGW is happening" as opposed to "What are the symptoms and prognosis and what shall we do about it ?" This efficiency of this format would be helped by a clear warning in the comment guidelines that off-topic posts will be deleted, and that 'off-topic' includes the full range of denialism of AGW - except for comments on any article that dicusses the hypothesis that AGW is merely a global conspiracy. To make commenting work well, the provision of buttons for "bold", "italic", "quotes", "underline", and "edit" are extremely helpful, and are now routinely provided on sites that recognize the diverse benefits of encouraging feedback on and discussion of their articles. Hoping that this proposal will help to further improve Climate Home's notable contribution to society's education on the climate predicament, with my regards, Lewis Cleverdon
JamesWimberleyJanuary 11, 2017 11:10 am
Dong and Berkshire Hathaway and Engie do not need help from infrastructure banks. They can borrow at similar rates themselves. If there is a market failure in OECD countries, it is in higher-risk startups. Solyndra explains why public-sector bodies shy away from risks that venture capitalists would think too low to be exciting. The main need for infrastructure banks is in LDCs; poor people are often much more creditworthy than markets allow, it's their governments that are unreliable..
JamesWimberleyJanuary 11, 2017 10:59 am
The Paris Agreement has one ambiguous goal, with two targets: one firm (2 degrees warming) and one aspirational (1.5 degrees warming). So businesses should consider two distinct scenarios. 2 degrees can be represented as "NDCs plus", with large corrections for China and India reflecting current trends and policies, and smaller ones elsewhere. 1.5 degrees is more difficult, as SFIK nobody has mapped out a plausible policy scenario to get us there. Achieving it by pure mitigation looks impossible, as it gives us only five years of carbon emissions at current rates. A likelier track would be overshoot followed by massive sequestration, using a mix of technologies some of which exist (reafforestation) and others are in the lab (biochar, olivine weathering). The point for bushinesses is that sequestration is impossible without a carbon tax and premium. The transition to net zero may be feasible without it, simply be cheaper technology. But no technological miracle will make it pay to bury carbon.
Lie DetectorJanuary 11, 2017 1:54 am
This article contains 17 full paragraphs of utter nonsense, but ironically the author offers not even one single, solitary example of the imaginary "facts" that he says all the global warming hoaxers have in abundance. The only thing in the article that is somewhat factual is the "Bullshit Asymmetry Principle". Unfortunately, all of the BS emanates from the hoaxers who make the ludicrous claim that not only can they accurately measure the "global temperature of the earth", but also that they know how to control it.
Scottish ScientistJanuary 10, 2017 1:28 am
“The mounting economic and scientific evidence leave me confident that trends toward a clean-energy economy that have emerged during my presidency will continue and that the economic opportunity for our country to harness that trend will only grow.” - President Obama
I share the President's confidence. Thank you for your leadership Mr President. One small step for a renewable energy geek. One Giant Leap for Mankind. Scottish Scientist Independent Scientific Adviser for Scotland scottishscientist. wordpress. com https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ce63db4392893f8bc3a92c2749fb15df5cf24cb31332f25b8074c3e44231defb.jpg
ale broJanuary 9, 2017 2:03 pm
this article suffers from Godwin's law
Steven GeigerJanuary 9, 2017 9:46 am
while it does not address the water injection issue of Measure Z, the high carbon intensity of Ardo oil can be reduced substiantially by substituting solar steam for gas-driven steam boilers. We are ready to supply solar-generated steam which will significantly reduce Ardo's CI, plus lower EOR operating costs, clean up the local air, keep local jobs & economies going, and more. It's already CARB-approved as well.
JamesWimberleyJanuary 8, 2017 7:08 pm
Any real climate negotiator has to be looking for ways to deal with Trump taking the USA out of the Paris Agreement. Praying he won't is not a strategy. The strategies are isolation, humiliation, counterattack (eg with carbon tariffs) and taking over key US contributions like NASA's earth observation satellites. BTW, I am not going to be commenting any more here until the site managers get their act together on approving comments. It is unprofessional, indeed dishonest, to invite readers to submit comments - which they don't have to do - and fail to approve them for more than 24 hours. I have made this point before and nothing has changed.
Arcanum Arcanorum (虚空)January 8, 2017 1:00 pm
Should be $100 a ton, considering positive feedback in the climate system.
Henk Daalder Windparken WikiJanuary 7, 2017 9:00 pm
It is not extreme to make CCS2 mandatory for all 3000 power plants. This will make power from fossil power plants a few cents more expensive. But this will lower the need for subsidies. CCS2 captures CO2 from the smokestack and then fixes CO2 to a substance with a reaction with olivine. This requires a special reactor, the Gravity Pressure Vessel. a 1 km tube into the earth. With a inner tube. A mud from water ans Olivine powder and CO2 goes in, flows down, anf 1 km below, the pressure and temperature is perfect to speedup the reaction between Olivine and CO2. This makes fossil power plants climate neutral, but also more ewxpensiuve that wind and solar farms. So, eventially fossil power plants will only work when there is not enough wind or sun. This is why, CCS2 should be made a mandatory step foor all 3000 power palnts in the world. Also all cement and steel production plants, oil refineries etc Furthermore we have to set up a new "man on the moon"project to develop ways to grow biomass in a sustainable way. This will deliver fuel, for the 3000 power plants, and make them CO2 negative. Who else that the Dutch Wageningen Universtity can do this?
SereneOneJanuary 7, 2017 2:04 pm
This is, in fact, happening. It's called liberalism.
essmdJanuary 7, 2017 1:27 am
For too many Earth inhabitants Global Warming is akin to Religion and/or Politics... as individuals decide to jump in one camp or another based on relatively blind faith. Unfortunately science cannot prove or disprove any reality due to massive complicated variables and major assumptions employed for what otherwise appears to be the scientific method. As medical scientist, I am aware of how data CAN be manipulated to prove or disprove theories, such concern applies to the theory of why global warming occurs. What is a fact is that periods of Global Warming and Cooling have occurred on Earth for millions of years, best example is the lack of any human existence during the glacier recession that created the Grand Canyon. Perhaps the best approach is a more agnostic one, since the truth may never really be known, and man's efforts to cause change may have zero impact on this natural process. But to engage in politically-driven spending of resources that can be used for more tangible needs is counterproductive and wasteful, although it does makes sense to consider any potential man-made factor and respect the planet we inhabit.
JamesWimberleyJanuary 6, 2017 11:17 am
Greenpeace have estimated the coal generation capacity under construction at 200 GW (link), so a 1100 GW coal cap implies a complete freeze on any new projects beyond that. China's leaders have still not fully grasped the coal nettle. Coal consumption, mostly for electricity, has been falling from several years. It's not going to recover, ever. This means that not only the 200 GW of new plants but a very large chunk of the 900 GW existing (Greenpeace sat 300 GW) are surplus to requirements. At healthy capacity factors, and with rapidly growing renewables, the structural shift to services, and greater efficiency, China probably will soon not need more than half the cap. China is handily beating the world record for wasteful capital spending.
isidro ubaldo espinosaJanuary 6, 2017 6:21 am
very well for China I am glad action will take place, as and environmental engineering i supported the action for this plan. also i have ideas that will contribute to reduce air pollution.
Luboš MotlJanuary 5, 2017 7:18 pm
The years ahead will be critical? What a heresy. Big guru James Hansen said in 1988 that 1989 would be critical. In 2006, Al Gore said in An Inconvenient Truth that 2007 would be critical. But 2017 will be critical? John Kerry is clearly a denier who is downplaying the climate apocalypse and delaying it by whole decades. He must be paid by the Big Oil. ;-)
marktabbertJanuary 5, 2017 4:50 pm
Never underestimate the power of Americans. People thought Kennedy was crazy when he said land on the moon in 10 years, we did it in 8.5. When we apply ourselves as in WWII we can move mountains. A clear message to the market is all we need to go green.
JamesWimberleyJanuary 5, 2017 12:43 pm
A quick look round other reports on this does not reveal anything about the share that will go to nuclear. It is perhaps significant that it is not emphasised. Am expansion beyond the large current programme would surely have been highlighted. The economics continue to turn against nuclear and in favour of wind and solar. It's not just cheap renewables and direct political pressure that are driving the fall in coal. The restructuring of the Chinese economy away from heavy industry and towards light industry and services proceeds apace: an absolutely standard transition, but hugely speeded up in China. Within these newer sectors, efficiency gains from better lighting, heating and cooling equipment, and controls of every sort will slow energy demand even more, perhaps faster than planners expect. Globally, demand for electricity is almost static, rising at under 1% a year, on a falling trend. In turn, the despatch priority of renewables on the grid will drive down coal burning in China (and India) even more.
JamesWimberleyJanuary 5, 2017 12:17 pm
Nordhaus is no fool and worth listening to, but he's not the Pope. Did his DICE model predict the plateauing of global industrial emissions in the last three years? He has always used a high cost of capital. A 4.25% real return translates to 6% or so nominal. Large investors like Warren Buffett can borrow long-term at a shade over 4% nominal. Lazards find wind and solar are now much cheaper in the US than coal and gas for electrical generation, even using a wholly unrealistic 10% cost of capital. The secular real government bond return is closer to 2%. This is a better proxy for the social discount rate than the higher equity one. The cited claim (by others) that the current Paris NDCs only lead to a 2.7 degree warming is credible on its face, but ignores the important facts that China and India are running well ahead of their commitments. China promised only to peak emissions by 2030 "and if possible before". Coal consumption has been falling for several years, and it is likely that emissions have plateaued or even fallen, leading to a plateau in world emissions (Tyndall). India still plans to increase coal burning, but by much less: the coal generating pipeline has been frozen beyond the 50 GW under construction, and will probably never be restarted. The global crossover of wind and solar to the cheapest unsubsidized sources will accelerate their already high growth rate under neutral policies - they no longer need favourable ones like the carbon price Nordhaus is promoting, along with many other economists. The next IPCC mitigation report will change from "the net economic impacts of the the energy transition, ignoring unpriced externalities, are a wash" to "the net economic impacts (etc) are a huge saving". The other thing it will do is include the health impacts, which are much easier to price and have become politically more visible. Even climate denialists understand and fear cancer, heart and respiratory disease, and realize they come from tailpipes. The temporary subsidies for electric vehicles are pretty safe, though their rapid growth from a near-zero base in 2010 won't start eroding oil consumption significantly for another five years.
JamesWimberleyJanuary 5, 2017 11:48 am
Nepal and Guatemala may not be able to do much about this. Bur China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt Iran and other large and midsize middle-income countries could readily boost their own capabilities for a strategic priority. There are no IP barriers in science. What they do need to accept is academic freedom and intellectual competition instead of patriarchal control.
Icarus62January 5, 2017 7:38 am
Equilibrium response to CO2 is around 6C per doubling, so in the long term we can expect over 3C of global warming just from the 400ppm in the atmosphere today, plus 30 - 60 metres of sea level rise.
Icarus62January 5, 2017 7:38 am
Equilibrium response to CO2 is around 6C per doubling, so in the long term we can expect over 3C of global warming just from the 400ppm in the atmosphere today, plus 30 - 60 metres of sea level rise. http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/7/
BillhookJanuary 5, 2017 5:26 am
According to this report Nordhaus, while critical of the orthodox view of the efficacy of Paris, is under the same widespread misapprehension that allowed the Paris negotiation to be quite so complacent. It is the idea that global temperature rise, and hence climate destabilisation, can be stabilised at 2.0C by one level of Emissions Control measures, or stabilised at 2.5C by another level - that is essentially flawed wishful thinking. It ignores the role of seven of the eight "Major Interactive Feedbacks" [MIFs] that are widely reported in the literature as already accelerating, with several each having the potential to dwarf the warming effects of current annual anthro-GHG outputs. To avoid the MIFs accelerating to the point of their combined outputs exceeding anthro-outputs and so fully offsetting even a total Emissions Control, climate scientists many years ago proposed a limit of 1.0C as the goal for climate negortiations. Yet 'pragmatic' advisors got that shifted to 2.0C, as was eventually agreed in Paris. Even a rapid ending of anthro-emissions by say 2050 will continue to impose timelagged warming at least out to 2085, with that warming raised by between 0.5 to 1.2C of additional warming that will inevitably be unveiled by the loss of the cooling "Fossil Sulphate Parasol" (due to the loss of coal-firing's fossil sulphate emissions). That warming would be further amplified by the rising outputs of the MIFs over the next 68yrs to 2085. Both Paris and Nordhaus' tighter proposals are thus steering society into committment to self-reinforcing warming far beyond any technical control capacities. To call those proposals, and their reliance on the false substitute concept of the planet's "Climate Sensitivity," - 'genocidally reckless' would be an understatement. It should be clearly understood that the MIFs will continue to increase their outputs for as long as global warming continues, and beyond an unknown point ending anthro-emissions will not constrain that warming. Their advance is 'autocatalytic' not only in the timelagged warming from each one accelerating itself and all others, but also in the very numerous 'direct coupling mechanisms' between them which act in or near real time. Their advance will not be halted by anything less than either (eventually) exhausting their feedstocks (ice, permafrost carbon, etc) or by the planet's natural cooling after some millennia due to orbital changes, or, if we choose, by an intentional cooling of the planet. In this light, going "a bit beyond 2.0C" does not generate "a bit worse" climate damages: - it raises the already severe probability of uncontrollable self-reinforcing catastrophic climate destabilization developing. The threat can still be countered, but not by Emissions Control alone even at the most radical pace, owing to the multiple additional sources of warming to which we are now committed. Those who seek to criticize the grossly deficient Paris Agreement should face up to the reality that alongside the urgent need of the Carbon Recovery mode of geoengineering (that Paris blithely scheduled "in the second half of the century") there is an urgent and inevitable requirement for the stringently supervised research, development and mandating of a reliably benign option for the Albedo Restoration mode of geoengineering. While Carbon Recovery is absolutely necessary - alongside rapid Emissions Control - as the means to cleanse the atmosphere, it is so vast an undertaking that it cannot have any significant effect on AGW in the critical next few decades. (For a start, cooling due to GHGs' reduction has the same ~35yr timelag as warming has from their increase). Thus in addition the Albedo Restoration approach is essential as it would, after perhaps a decade of research and trials, be effective quite quickly in cooling the planet and so stabilizing climate and the critical agricultural and forestry yields, and it would also steadily decelerate the MIFs. We have no other means of achieving these paramount goals. For academics such as Nordhaus to continue to pretend that climate can be stabilized by Emissions Control alone is at best grossly negligent of the scientific evidence of the MIFs' acceleration. So where is the civil society critique of his myopic proposals ? Regards, Billhook
Beverly BuddJanuary 5, 2017 1:36 am
So Germany has emission intensity from electricity above 450g/kwh and going no where. If you take out the easy reductions they made after unification its a pathetic showing. That's a doomsday scenario for the kind of CO2 reduction we need, particularly when you look at how much burning of trees and bio-fuels makes up its renewables portfolio. Compare Germany to countries like France. http://electricitymap.tmrow.co/ Can we then agree that sacrificing nuclear for flaccid renewable gains is a foolish strategy?
David NutzukiJanuary 4, 2017 9:55 pm
Karl, Before you issue your CO2 death threats to billions of innocent children, you may want to consider this first; Trump says NASA can’t even say their end of the world is “proven” so all climate change measures “WILL BE TERMINATED” and since Trump has followed through on everything and more, the question now becomes will he prosecute news editors who knowingly exaggerated and abused vague climate science?
Van DutchmanJanuary 4, 2017 7:50 pm
Are arms dealers going to be the new ambulance-chasers? (Hot on the heels of the oil & gas investors)
GeoffBeaconJanuary 4, 2017 5:36 pm
The obvious conclusion is that degrowth is necessary, accompanied by a redistribution of wealth from rich to poor. http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/green-growth-or-degrowth/
tadchemJanuary 4, 2017 4:32 pm
Interesting - all are 'blue' states, or states that lean that way. The assumption that reducing CO2 emissions locally or even regionally (the entire US) will make a significant difference in global CO2 levels OR global mean temperatures is not supported by empirical data. 2016 was at most barely warmer (0.02°) than 1998, despite a CO2 level increase from 370 to 400 ppm - over 8%.
George CartyJanuary 4, 2017 3:11 pm
Is there an online petition to get the World Bank to provide low-income financing for nuclear as well as (or better, instead of) coal?
Peter CampbellJanuary 4, 2017 3:07 pm
Ending the fossil fuel era will constitute a major shift to the current global geopolitical order, one dominated by major fossil fuel producers like Russia and the United States. It’s hard to see petrostates eagerly facilitating a transition away from that order, never mind funding a globally just transition away from it. Given that hard political reality, we need to be careful to not allow questions of stranded assets and equity to derail progress on climate change. It may be an injustice to not strand fossil fuels equitably. But much graver injustice and harm will come from not acting on climate change, particularly for least developed and developing nations. http://www.re-update.com/2017/01/02/the-world-needs-to-consider-how-to-manage-the-end-of-the-fossil-fuel-era/
JamesWimberleyJanuary 4, 2017 1:43 pm
The recession and deep political crisis in Brazil reflects a weaker form of Chavismo. The World Cup and Rio Olympics were costly crowd-pleasing projects funded from hoped-for oil income. The Brazilian oilfields are in deep offshore waters and very high-cost, so have been hit especially hard by the oil downturn.
JamesWimberleyJanuary 4, 2017 1:34 pm
Was there any reduction in German solar FITs for residential installations last year? The collapse was in the past, and largely in utility. Installations have been ticking over at around 1 GW a year, which is historically low but no too bad in an international perspective. The penny-packet utility auctions have been coming in cheaper than expected - much cheaper in the case of the Danish crossborder one -, so maybe policy will tilt back in solar's favour. The increase in gas is worrying for energy security, as the gas mostly comes from Russia.
jmdespJanuary 4, 2017 12:58 am
This is both really interesting, especially the claims about BDEW using gross numbers, and Fraunhofer net numbers, and a bit surprising and confusing. There should an approximately constant gap between net and gross numbers, there's really now reason why one should go up and the other down. Except maybe if the gross numbers include power that had to be curtailed and could not actually be inserted in the network.
David NutzukiJanuary 3, 2017 9:25 pm
Trump "If climate change is real then NASA must say their end of the world is as real as they say the planet isn't flat? Are they also only 99% sure it's not flat? All climate change action and spending will be terminated and those responsible for exaggerating and fear mongering our children will see their day in court." Does Trump mean news editors?
David NutzukiJanuary 3, 2017 9:25 pm
Trump "If climate change is real then NASA must say their end of the world is as real as they say the planet isn't flat? Are they also only 99% sure it's not flat? All climate change action and spending will be terminated and those responsible for exaggerating and fear mongering our children will see their day in court." Does Trump mean news editors?.
CRJanuary 3, 2017 9:05 pm
Enough of ideological posturing, scientific obfuscation, political cover-ups, denial and delay. The simple truth must be told and acted on. These young people will live in the real world suffering the real consequences of the decisions of an older generation for whom this was just a "theory" to be manipulated for personal gain. Make Tillerson testify and let this be a turning point when America finally faces this challenge honestly, head on. Tillerson and Trump can be the ones to turn around what has become an absurd American position - the last and most foolish deniers on Earth.
JamesWimberleyJanuary 2, 2017 2:55 pm
Michael Cutajar: "Trump can’t continue to indulge in short-term posturing to the populist gallery...." That's all Trump has ever done since he entered politics, and indeed since he started his second career as a reality TV entertainer. Since the election, that's how he has continued to operate, with the Carrier and Softbank job stunts, refusal to take national security briefings or acknowledge the Russian election hacking, and continued reliance on two-dimensional tweets for public announcements. It is is extreme wishful thinking to hope that Trump will change his spots. All in all, his retreat into the class idiot's corner offers a tremendous opportunity for China, and India too. I hope the spotlight will lead to more pressure on unhelpful Chinese policies, like selling coal generating plants to the likes of Kenya and the Philippines with subsidised credit.
Guest78January 1, 2017 4:49 pm
The smart money is on clean energy. The US would be turning its back on both economic and leadership opportunities by not pursuing these goals. No amount of rhetoric will return the coal industry to prominence, and in fact the $8 billon allocated by President Obama to assist the transition to other professions is a good start. Second, the biggest opposition to coal, in a business sense, is gas, another industry Mr. Trump embraces. One of these two has a complex future; the other – domestically in the US at least – does not. http://www.re-update.com/2016/11/17/the-economic-case-for-energy-equity-and-climate-leadership/
Guest78January 1, 2017 4:41 pm
Carbon-intensive lifestyles have long been considered the mainstream route to wealth and success, both on a personal and societal scale. However, as we say goodbye to many of the Earth’s safety mechanisms and await a global climate that is in a state of transition, many have begun to look at what advantages may exist without fossil fuel dependency. http://www.re-update.com/2016/10/10/explainer-how-carbon-neutrality-increases-your-disposable-income/
David NutzukiDecember 30, 2016 10:16 pm
Trump; "All climate change funding will be terminated unless NASA is willing to say their planet flattening climate change end of days is as real as they say the planet isn't flat." So why won't NASA just say it and end this debate to save the planet from climate change, before it's to late to say it?
TinaDecember 30, 2016 9:45 pm
Mission Innovation Ministerials takes place back to back clean energy ministerial in China. Interesting to follow up on it too especially their focus on clean energy technologies.
JamesWimberleyDecember 30, 2016 7:50 pm
I'd be very surprised if the Trump Presidency comes out above Obama's NDC promise. Policy will shift hard to favour oil and gas extraction, but won't do much to foster their consumption, while coal will be left to wither (tough luck, suckers). Meanwhile, technology and costs have shifted much more strongly towards renewables than the CPP envisaged. Trump's diplomacy will be generally counter-productive - can you imagine the response to any efforts to get China to import more coal? The rest of the world is applying the slogan of the British Blitz poster from 1940 - Keep Calm and Carry On.
JamesWimberleyDecember 30, 2016 7:41 pm
In Japan, David Attenborough would be named a National Treasure. He's a Global Treasure. I would add to your good list John Kerry's granddaughter Livia, who imperturbably helped him sign the Paris Agreement in April in New York. Livia worthily represented the children of the world who will live their entire lives in the dangerously hotter world we shall bequeath them. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/22/18/3371305300000578-0-image-a-49_1461344705293.jpg
myview4uDecember 29, 2016 9:50 pm
Iis very much in India's interest to go green. India could be a leader in Renewable Energy by promoting their use. Very foolish to say nothing.
myview4uDecember 29, 2016 9:45 pm
Trump could be smart and recognize that Solar energy mining is healthier for workers and more profitable besides being good for the environment.
JamesWimberleyDecember 29, 2016 3:30 pm
China has an astonishing number of coal miners, about 5 million. They produce 3.5 billion tonnes a year. India mines 0.6 billion tonnes with about 400,000 (334,000 in the dominant producer, Coal India): half as many per tonne. Wood Mackenzie think that coal overcapacity today is "600 Mtpa to 1.2 Btpa", without planning for a wider phaseout. At surely attainable Indian efficiencies, and closing the most inefficient mines first, China could produce 2.9 billion tonnes a year of coal (using Mackenzie's lower overcapacity figure) with 1.9 million miners. Putting 3 million miners out of a job is a frightening prospect for the Chinese leadership. They will do it anyway. The smog blanketing the big cities is even more dangerous to their power.
JamesWimberleyDecember 29, 2016 3:08 pm
A foreign military base is best considered as an export industry for counting emissions. The lease was presumably signed wit the government in Nairobi, not the county, so its not the county's problem. The British Army's plans for more renewables are vague and unconvincing. The US Army treats renewable energy as a war-fighting resource (oil-based supply chains are a heavy cost and a large vulnerability), not an external environmental obligation. Carbon emissions are a different question from impacts on landscape and wildlife. In the British Army's defence, it should be noted that secured training areas keep out poachers, squatters and trading shacks, so the impact is mixed. Eagle owls nest and breed in a working quarry in the Netherlands - the only available rocky cliffs the birds require. They don't it seems mind the nearby explosions. It is reasonable to insist on a complete impact accounting.
Bogdan SaftaDecember 28, 2016 10:55 pm
I was thinking long time ago why nobody think about producing H2 from water and than burn it to get energy. The solar panels that produce electricity, could split the water and store H2? This will be better that using batteries. Splitting the H20 and keeping H2 for further use, after burning H2 you get again H20. This is 100% environmental friend full. I totally disagree for biofuels. Better to use the land for producing food for human use not biofuels. Developing more biofuel industry will get as results changing the agriculture areas for other proposes than for food. As this industry progress, than larger areas for producing biofuels will be required. I'm afraid that many forests will be destroyed on this way. Electric cars are good, but from where do we get the electricity?
David NutzukiDecember 28, 2016 3:37 pm
It's not us peace loving deniers that are eagerly goose stepping billions of innocent children to the exaggerated greenhouse gas ovens with sickening childish glee. Will the science gods you doomers abuse ever say their planet flattening crisis end of days is as real as they say the planet isn't flat? Are they also only 99% sure the planet isn't flat? Who's the redneck in the history books?
Common SenseDecember 27, 2016 6:00 pm
If you like clean air, then the subsidy is well worth it.
Common SenseDecember 27, 2016 6:00 pm
California is now gets around 10% of its power from solar. It started from a nearly nonexistent capacity six years ago.
S.SeralathanDecember 27, 2016 11:13 am
As per my understanding the vast climate change going to be in this planet. So, rather than investing billions of money for the development. We need focus and challenges going to be face in furture. Therefore more money necesarry to alocate green enviorement and action again the disasters.
JamesWimberleyDecember 27, 2016 10:04 am
Kenya is also planning a giant coal generating plant near Lamu. What will it use for water?
CRDecember 26, 2016 8:50 pm
Leader of the free world! He will not stop the energy revolution, however. That will be carried on by all who understand the vital need to quickly end the era of carbon-based fuels, and that includes virtually every nation on earth. Trump will be forced to accept the changing demand for energy or America will simply be left behind.
JamesWimberleyDecember 26, 2016 11:25 am
Trump's violently spiky signature is not reassuring. Nothing that we didn't know already of course.
Karl MartellDecember 25, 2016 3:33 pm
It is part of the rent or you live outside of the USA perhaps?
rimorgaeDecember 24, 2016 7:48 pm
Assuming that the San Ardo oil production ceases to exist, and that Californians will continue to consume the same amount of oil, what would be the resulting carbon intensity of the replacement oil? Since California imports about 50% of its oil consumption, that oil would mostly likely come from one of the current top three exporters to California: Saudi Arabia, Ecuador, and Colombia. What would be the carbon intensity of those sources when transportation via tanker is factored in?
JamesWimberleyDecember 24, 2016 1:28 am
The analysis is sound enough, but the inference that we should let the genocidal idiots have their moment in the sun is not. Panic, no. Fight back, from the beginning, hard. The aim is to limit the long-term damage.
Eric SimpsonDecember 23, 2016 5:03 pm
"Carbon Tax Tillerson"
Rogier F. van VlissingenDecember 23, 2016 12:08 pm
Hmmm... yes indeed, the economics of green are compelling, and can no longer be reversed by a bunch of atavistic climate deniers. It was well known in the world of institutional investing in the 2008 metldown that green buildings kept their value better than any other asset class, and that had nothing to do with climate. Who would not PREFER to own a building without any energy bills over one that does? In the land of the blind one eye is king. So if you want your property to win in the long run, net zero, or near-zero is the way to go. Your building will outlast the next administration and the next one after that, it's pure economics. And yes, if the next administration carries out the anti-climate razzia they've promised for the US DOE, they will hand any US technology leadership to the next guy, probably China. So, instead of making America great again, whatever that means, this is assured self-destruction. Moreover, many of the states will increasingly set their own policies, and while those efforts are not particularly well-organized, that could change fast. The Northwest is already oriented towards Canada, California could secede if it wants and the Northeast could also align itself with Canada. Smart investors will simply follow the economics, not the ideological rhetoric. The Saudi's know the age of oil is about to be over, and sooner or later Washington will find out too.
David NutzukiDecember 22, 2016 8:52 pm
Trump; “Unless NASA says their planet flattening crisis is as real as they say the planet isn’t flat, all climate change spending is to be terminated permanently.” **Will NASA ever say it and end this debate to “save the planet” before it’s too late to say it and save our children’s lives?
David NutzukiDecember 22, 2016 6:32 pm
"Until NASA announces their planet flattening crisis is as real as they say the planet isn't flat, all climate change spending is terminated permanently." -President Donald Trump, elect *So why won't NASA say it and end this debate to save the planet from climate change before it's too late to say it?
Vo_ReasonDecember 22, 2016 4:52 pm
You check the data. Arctic ice is barely behind 2012, and gaining. If it catches up, would you be willing to state that if ice in 2016 is about the same as it was in 2012, that the predictions of decline has come into question? http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
just a wild & crazy RINODecember 22, 2016 3:18 pm
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PiranhaBrosDecember 22, 2016 3:12 pm
The only power plants that can provide basic guaranteed power 24/7 anywhere around the world are fossil-fuel or nuclear-powered. Pretending that we can have our modern comfortable lifestyle based on intermittent and costly sources of power is delusional thinking. But, carry on.
JBTascamDecember 22, 2016 1:38 pm
Even a public educated product of a liberal institution should be able to read the Constitution and come to understand that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is the sole arbiter of FOREIGN POLICY. Period. End of Statement. If you disagree, here's your Dunce's Cap.
JamesWimberleyDecember 21, 2016 2:20 pm
Hope springs eternal. Gates, Musk, Gore, and de Caprio should watch the conjuror's left hand not the right. The nominees are real decisions, not patter, and they tell a story: hostility to science, hostility to renewables, denial of climate change, loyal support for roil and gas.
JamesWimberleyDecember 21, 2016 2:14 pm
Congratulations I suppose. But like Christina Figueres, she deserves a job with real authority. Perhaps both suffer from the blowback Clinton received: successful women are "too pushy".
Alex RobertsDecember 20, 2016 7:31 am
I saw small solar cookers in the most remote villages and compounds in the Himalayas. Why not here? To cook food and boil water to store for later use? Once-off purchase. Free to use every day.
samratDecember 20, 2016 6:35 am
when did it happen
Sam PyeatteDecember 20, 2016 4:12 am
I hope Trump axes every penny of the climate fund. Money to help people in dire situations is fine, but climate issues do not qualify.
JamesWimberleyDecember 19, 2016 1:22 pm
Goyal should have gone further and reviewed the plants within the 50 GW coal pipeline that have just broken ground. India already has large overcapacity in generation - the problem of access to electricity is with transmission and especially distribution, exacerbated by a culture of politically driven subsidies to favoured voting blocs. With massive amounts of renewables coming on stream with despatch priority, and efficiency gains in use from global innovations like LED lighting (a trend the Ministry still fails to recognize), the prospects for many Indian coal plants achieving breakeven capacity factors are poor. Many investors in early-stage coal plants would surely now seize a lifeline for early exit.
JamesWimberleyDecember 19, 2016 1:02 pm
Jerry Brown's gung-ho line on the threatened NASA satellites is admirable. But a better way would be for the ESA to set up an international ad hoc project consortium. California should be welcome to join in.
guest78December 18, 2016 2:45 pm
Climate contrarianism needs to be confronted, and may necessitate the use of strong language - as there is obviously no space for science-based facts within any so-called 'dialogue'. The argument could not be more self-evident after 30 years of debate. The great barrier reef is now dead - it isn't coming back.
Vo_ReasonDecember 17, 2016 10:41 pm
You are right,but not by much. I've watched the fluctuations for some time now, and they seem to slide back and forth, and the level of decline is much less than predicted by the warmist lobby. I'm willing to notice when ice levels decline, because I have an open mind, but I remember a few years ago when the Antarctic ice levels were showing a significant year to year increase, the left was making up all kinds of stupid stuff to explain the phenomenon. The one elephant in the room is that no one in the climate alarmist camp is willing to say what the optimum temperature on earth is for human habitation. We all know that climate has changed, dramatically, over the eons. Sometimes rapidly. Why would anyone assume that ANY deviation from current temperatures would be catastrophic? Tornado and hurricane levels are the lowest in years. Maybe a warmer earth would be beneficial. Anytime anyone runs around carrying a message of doom, we should all be at least a little sceptic. Science is never settled. Settled science is an oxymoron.
BlueScreenOfDeathDecember 17, 2016 12:23 am
People who argue that climate change is not happening or that the scientific case for it is overstated – climate deniers – should probably start preparing for a more robust response from scientists themselves." One word for the climate "scientists" - TRUMP.
David NutzukiDecember 16, 2016 8:02 pm
The question now is; Will Trump issue criminal charges to news editors for exaggerating vague climate change science and perpetuating 35 years of needless CO2 panic? Will he drain the swamp?
PaullitelyDecember 16, 2016 11:04 am
To see details of why Humans cannot change the Earth's Climate, and the reality that we have tipped into a mini ice age that will be obvious in 2020 and very serious by 2030, see paulllitely.com and on youtube, see Adapt 2030. We are seriously being led in the wrong direction. NASA and NOAA are altering their reported temperature series to MAKE it show warming. They are going back and lowering the past temperatures that they had already published, while boosting recent temperatures they report. Meanwhile, the base data Without any adjustments agree directly with Satellite measurements of Global Temperatures that there has been no warming since 2003, and in fact, slight cooling. The record cold temperatures of the winter of 2014-2015 were interrupted By a very strong El Nino, that has now gone away. Since the peak of that El Nino, we have seen the steepest and longest drop in global temperatures ON RECORD. This clearly shows that humans are not in control of the climate by CO2 or any other means. Again, see Paullitely.com and youtube Adapt 2030 for full explanations and details, including reports by Burt Rutan, Scientists in Russia and India and China and Australia. It is only in America that this fraud is succeeding, but the real weather will make it so obvious by 2020 and serious by 2030 that nobody will be able to claim Humans are controlling the Earth's climate...
PaullitelyDecember 16, 2016 10:56 am
The retreat of glaciers has been going on for the last 50000 years and humans have made no change in the rate. Sea Levels likewise have been rising for the last 50000 years, since the end of the last iceage, and the rate has not changed. Humans cannot change the Earth's climate so the cost of trying is infinite. Instead, lets do something with the $trillions to make life easier for our populations instead of harder. Lets break up this glacier BEFORE it comes down in one piece, for instance
David NutzukiDecember 16, 2016 2:42 am
Trump; "NASA must say their catastrophic CO2 hell end of days is as real as they say the planet isn't flat instead of just; "real", otherwise all climate change funding will be terminated."
JamesWimberleyDecember 15, 2016 3:47 pm
Hear, hear. Trump will be bad for climate action but not disastrous. The immediate threat is to the data-gathering and analytical work at NASA and the NREL, which is vital for the whole world. The ESA should be working on a contingency plan to take over NASA's earth observation satellites and mission if the Trump Prezidency kills them. (The z is not a typo.) I can't think of any other organization in the world with the capability. China should be invited to join. The ESA knows how to run projects with variable-geometry funding. The NREL could be taken over by California and like-minded states; possibly with Canada and Mexico, becoming a North American organisation.
Erik Van LennepDecember 15, 2016 10:45 am
Such sadly typical false opposition between environmental sanity and so-called development. Obviously this move does nothing for real development, which requires sustainability and resilience to work even in the mid-term. And it threatens to undercut the ability for future rural development by destroying its resource base. The bill only serves to fast track more cash into private hands by destroying safeguards that old-school privateers find inconvenient.
ZakirDecember 15, 2016 10:17 am
Well said. GCF for big bussiness. GCF for big projects. GCF for the rich.
Valli SansromDecember 14, 2016 8:14 pm
keep writing for us Purple
Victor CachatDecember 14, 2016 4:24 am
I can double my nearly non-existent capacity even more easily than solar can double its nearly non-existent capacity. And it will be similarly anticlimactic.
JamesWimberleyDecember 13, 2016 4:22 pm
Here's a radical suggestion: join up the tweets and publish them as a single article! Readers could follow the argument from start to finish in one place! I don't know if this is technically possible, but somebody is probably writing an app to allow it. What could we call it? A blug?
JamesWimberleyDecember 13, 2016 4:14 pm
This subsidy is of a piece with the war in solar power carried out by the last PP government, typified by the ludicrous multimillion euro fines for connecting a solar rooftop to the grid without an unobtainable permit. The previous subsidies were unsustainable, but Spanish policy went far beyond a cutback, as in Germany and the UK, to active hostility. You will not be surprised to learn that Spanish electric utilities are extremely well connected politically, with retired MPs and even Prime Ministers on their boards or paid handsomely as consultants. Wind has been cut back much less than solar: the large company Iberdrola has large wind assets, and helped write the solar legislation.
Frank Ch. EiglerDecember 13, 2016 2:03 pm
.... so can we stop subsidizing all these guys yet? please?
Bradley FriedDecember 13, 2016 3:00 am
Keep telling yourself that.
cardiganDecember 12, 2016 11:04 pm
The BS is from this guy. The oceans are not acidifying, they cannot, because of the massive buffering capacity of the oceans. Carbonic acid is part of the complex interaction of of carbonates within the oceans. He cannot come up with any objective statements of fact to prove otherwise. It is quite rich that he is from UAE, where the climategate e-mails were uncovered, showing just how scientists colluded to prevent contrary evidence being published.
WillDecember 12, 2016 4:18 pm
Methane release from biological sources are from microbes acting on organic matter. This source of methane is released into the atmosphere as a consequence of impaired digestive metabolism of organic matter by microbes in rumen as well as in soils due to trace element deficiencies. Trace elements are components of enzymes which catalyse digestive process by microbes. The problem of methane release from ruminants and from rice paddies will not be solved without use of needed trace elements in fertilizers. As emeritus professor Peter Wadhams warns, methane release from the rapidly warming Arctic region is much more dangerous because of release from extremely large quantities of stored methane hydrates; methane release from this source can only be curbed by lowering atmospheric CO2 level and lowering ocean temperatures to safe levels.
Joris75December 12, 2016 10:27 am
The real problem is that the World Bank (still) does not provide loans for nuclear power projects. This has historically been a prime reason for the huge jump in coal power supply in developing countries since the 1990's. Developing countries will always choose the least-cost power option, which is either coal or nuclear power, but without access to the World Bank's low-interest loans for nuclear, they have built coal plants using the World Bank's low-interest loans for coal.
Tracey WestDecember 11, 2016 1:24 pm
A fascinating piece and I'm shocked to find out that Africa hasn't been pinpointed before to collect data on the effects on the weather. Our work on reforestation, classroom building and raising education on environmental issues has focused on the Coastal Province - could Bore be selected as a place to collect this data? They have just had two years of drought and their latest maize crop failed.
Robin_GuenierDecember 10, 2016 4:20 pm
"To date, 17 countries of the G20 ... have officially joined the Paris Agreement ... If these countries follow through with their commitments to reduce emissions, it will represent unprecedented progress in the global effort to curb climate change." No it won't. Four of the 17 - China, India, japan and Russia - have made either no or inadequate reduction commitments and, since Paris, have taken actions that will increase emissions. Yet together they are responsible for over 45 percent of global emissions. The "negative climate implications" of their policies are far more serious than those indicated by Donald Trump. They are most unlikely to adopt the leadership role suggested by the authors of this article. In any case, they would be hopelessly unsuitable for such a role.
ChrisDecember 9, 2016 9:03 pm
Check your data. At this moment Arctic sea ice is at records low for this period (less than 2012 levels); also Antarctic ice is at records low for this period. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
eddieoDecember 9, 2016 5:25 pm
We are cooked - exactly like the frog in the pot of water, except that we have seen this coming sine the mid 70's. Shame on our supposed leaders and their pandering to business interests.
Stanley McCormickDecember 9, 2016 2:40 pm
Good on Trump. Tear down the bs that idiots like Gore and Di Caprio helped put up.
WilmaDecember 9, 2016 11:18 am
Why call the man a 'climate sceptic'?! Sceptics accept science but this man is a climate (science) denier!
BillhookDecember 9, 2016 4:21 am
Given that there is now no serious prospect of avoiding very dangerous 'climate change' without the application of geoengineering alongside Emissions Control - as was fully and quite explicitly recognized in the Paris Accord signed by 195 nations - it is hard to understand the motivation of those pushing the UNCBD draft resolution reported above. Like making tea or making babies or anything else, geo-engineering could potentially be done very badly or very well - and pointing to the ills of patently disfunctional options such as stratospheric aerosols for Albedo Restoration and wood-fired energy with CO2CS for Carbon Recovery does not justify an obstructive approach to the necessary research and evaluation programs of other options. With the existential threat that AGW poses to biodiversity, with widespread damage already occurring, the parties to the convention appear to be failing in their clear duty to promote and encourage properly supervised research in those options for Geo-E that appear most benign. Meanwhile, with climate destabilization intensifying and the only technique ready to deploy being that of the stratospheric aerosols, we are drifting directly towards the onset of serial global crop failures (that appears increasingly likely before 2030) followed by the emergency, perhaps unilateral, deployment of that technique regardless of its known and unknown mal-effects. Developing nations should be asking just why the West is plainly content to see serial global crop failures begin. Cui bono . . . ? Regards, Billhook
rkiefDecember 8, 2016 6:24 pm
Yeah, go for it, Filipinos. Show Americans what they should do.
svenabDecember 8, 2016 4:20 pm
Since most politicians fail to respond in adequate ways to fossilfuel-caused global warming and serious climate changes all over the world, it is time to bring the cases to court. When somebody causes harm to other peoples' health and property, the victims should be able to demand compensation. Obviously, the perpetrators in this case will try to get away by pointing to Acts of God or similar arguments. But blaming God for human profiteering and negligence should not persuade a judge with a minimum of integrity. The juridical history goes back thousands of years, https://agreenerfutureblog.wordpress.com/6-greener-future/6-3-greener-law/
Nick GrealyDecember 8, 2016 8:16 am
How did Pruitt get into this position? One way was through climate purists fighting climate pragmatists in the gas industry. Pretending Hillary wasn't pure enough because she supported an all of the above energy solution was another. So lots of climate people either stayed home or voted Green. That worked out well: Jill Stein's vote was larger than Trump's margin over Clinton in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Or in other words, Hillary would be President elect but for green purists who didn't learn the Ralph Nader lesson. Thus the only things left in the ground, are not fossil fuels but the dreams of the environmental movement. There are some ways forward, chief of which is that the three key trends of efficiency, surging renewables technology and gas defeating coal are cutting CO2 anyway. Pruitt or Trump won't be able to slow those key drivers down. But Karl Matheisen and the rest of the keep it in the ground gang centred on the extreme green view of the UK Guardian WILL slow this down if they keep on practicing the same old KIITG strategy because they think they failed just because they didn't try hard enough or no one else was a pure as they are. This isn't just about climate. The obsession with KIITG has also brought us god know what reversals to come on women's rights, reproductive rights and just plain human rights. But hey, Jill Stein voters can feel smug about themselves, and that's what the anti fracking movement was all about right?
PhillipDecember 7, 2016 8:54 pm
In South Australia, during a severe storm; I understand many wind turbines were damaged or destroyed. Is that so? Online there are hundreds of videos showing wind turbines burning out and even exploding. Bird strike is another problem as when slow moving wind turbine blades and vanes appear to attract birds who are then whacked out of the sky. (The blade tips moving faster to the birds than they look). With solar energy there are other problems. As there are apparently accounts of birds bursting into flame when flying over focussed solar mirrors. New energy sources are good but it cuts across the more traditional nature-diversity position of our green consciousness.
Jagadish Chandra BaralDecember 7, 2016 1:41 pm
Disappointing indeed! But you guys were so honest to dish out this scenario in a concise way by writing "It is very disappointing that the only result is one calling for further submissions and schedule of workshops". Evidently there were a lot of fan fare but little to achieve. Thanks to your sincere remarks!
Rajan ThapaDecember 6, 2016 3:18 pm
very comprehensive review... I agree that the process is very slow but at the mean time it is equally important for all LDCs to involve in the preparation of rule book of Paris Agreement. On the other hand it is still a debatable issue on how LDC countries will communicate their efforts with regards to adaptation, climate finance, transfer of technology and capacity building, and how they will be held accountable.
WillDecember 6, 2016 3:14 pm
Everywhere, tall majestic trees, which shaded the undergrowth and suppressed growth of small trees and thickets, were logged for their wood. Regular torching compounds the problem by denuding valuable nutrients from the landscape, keeping trees short and thin, encouraging trashy undergrowth prone to fire. To reverse the process, growth of taller trees should be encouraged by preferentially fertilizing them for rapid, healthy, green growth.
civics 101December 6, 2016 11:52 am
That is why the city of Atlantis is under water?
ChimneyDecember 6, 2016 11:43 am
2012 was exceptional but you cannot judge the trend just from a low point, especially over only four years. There is noise (variability) year to year but the signal is strong. Find out whether any year since 2012 has matched any year in the 1980s if you want a clearer picture of the long term trend.
Glenn AlbrechtDecember 6, 2016 9:58 am
David Bowman is correct, Listen to him.
GreenHeartedDecember 6, 2016 3:28 am
Link to research article showing your claim, please?
GreenHeartedDecember 6, 2016 3:26 am
The reason for continuing to spend big money on nuclear and fission is that right now, we still need to burn fossil fuels to create all those solar panels, wind turbines and LED lights of which you speak. If we could use a zero-carbon high-density form of energy to usher us into the renewable energy age, we'd be much further ahead.
UncleBDecember 6, 2016 3:20 am
As the world awaits the stunning economic changes to come from a Trump America, we can only guess that the U.S. Fiat funny money 'dollar' will follow the zimbabwe dollar and be printed right out of existence and very quickly. What will follow will be the demise of the Saudi/OPEC grip on energy prices and the evolution of a major Asian factor. This will over power and over rule all things American, reforming the world on an intelligence, and science and technology basis. This will be a basis the US science community in their non Mandarin speaking Ivory towers will find unintelligible gibberish, just as a French child can hardly understand the actions of an English adult. Within this Mandarin scientific understanding lives a greater respect for nature and renewable Energy and pure sciences, not the corporate skewed science of the former U.S. Empire, and not the militaristically skewed science and technology of that former era either. This is most likely the underpinnings of the direction given this world by successive Chinese Communist 5, 10, 20, 50, and 100 year plans.
Rick20112December 4, 2016 4:16 pm
I guess learning the word 'wodge' is important. Thanks.
Rick20112December 4, 2016 4:05 pm
"Any new defence secretary must resist pressure to ignore the risk climate change poses to global security, says former brigadier general." Any new defence secretary must resist pressure to ignore the risk to global security to concentrate on climate change. We do not need any more carrier task forces to run on 'green' biofuels that are harder to make and store and less efficient than our normal fuels. And our aircraft are designed to fly on our present aviation fuels. The Secretary of Defence should focus laser-like on matters of national defense. And ... social engineering in our services. Here is hope that we drop that emphasis as well.
JamesWimberleyDecember 3, 2016 10:07 am
Let's hope for maximum humiliation for Trump. Or even better, staying away and surrendering the exceptionalist claim to American global leadership.
JamesWimberleyDecember 3, 2016 10:02 am
Poland's government has an appalling bias towards coal, and against renewables. The justifiable part of their policy is reluctance to rely on Russian gas for grid balancing. There's always biomass of course. Poland is flat so hydro is very limited. They could run cables to Norway or Slovakia.
JamesWimberleyDecember 3, 2016 9:56 am
If they don't fix this ASAP, the Fund will die. You do not buy off your enemies by cringing in fear of what they will say when things go wrong, as they sometimes will. Cf. Solyndra.
Al Gore Jr.December 3, 2016 8:29 am
Another Puppet General
Biologyteacher100December 1, 2016 11:49 pm
Finally, a proposed Trump appointee with is not a science denier. The first out of many.
Jack KarakoDecember 1, 2016 9:36 pm
Unfortunately, others in Mr. Trump's cabinet and the U.S. Congress have the power to cut money to energy alternative programs and allow new drilling in preserved federal lands and oceans.
Ged EssexDecember 1, 2016 2:20 pm
Great news on a cold day.
konrad247November 30, 2016 1:56 pm
As you will know well, the Paris Agreement is nothing new compared to the Framework Convention from 1992 which Reagan/Bush sen. negotiated and ratified. What the Paris Agreement reiterates is that everybody (e.g. all countries) will do their best to lower emissions on their own. Those interested can also work together, preferably based on payments for specific and measured reduction results, but nobody has to... Also, everybody gets together every couple of years to see how far they have come and to ask who can do more. That's it. The famous 100 billion dollars per year figure from Copenhagen on climate finance, which only fully kicks in in 2020, is not even part of the Paris Agreement - but only mentioned in an accompanying decision. But now to the real drivers: do you know how ridiculously cheap renewables, in particular photovoltaics, have become recently? If not, check out the latest results of the bidding procedures solar power procurement contracts in places like Chile or Abu Dhabi (significantly less than 3 cents / kWh). If this trend continues, neither coal nor gas will be able to compete, as they are less and less even today. On nuclear fission, its overall sanity and its potential cheapness, just two quotes from someone who knew how to operate nuclear power without accidents and who thought very much for himself ;-) - Admiral Hyman Rickover. The first is from 1982: "I'll be philosophical. Until about two billion years ago, it was impossible to have any life on earth; that is, there was so much radiation on earth you couldn't have any life — fish or anything. Gradually, about two billion years ago, the amount of radiation on this planet—and probably in the entire system—reduced and made it possible for some form of life to begin... Now when we go back to using nuclear power, we are creating something which nature tried to destroy to make life possible... Every time you produce radiation, you produce something that has a certain half-life, in some cases for billions of years. I think the human race is going to wreck itself, and it is important that we get control of this horrible force and try to eliminate it... I do not believe that nuclear power is worth it if it creates radiation. Then you might ask me why do I have nuclear powered ships. That is a necessary evil. I would sink them all. Have I given you an answer to your question?" The second quote one is from 1953. It goes like this and has lost none of its relevance, which all modern-day proponents of small-scale 5th generation nuclear (back to the dreams of the 70ies!) would do well to digest: "An academic reactor or reactor plant almost always has the following basic characteristics: (1) It is simple. (2) It is small. (3) It is cheap. (4) It is light. (5) It can be built very quickly. (6) It is very flexible in purpose. (7) Very little development will be required. It will use off-the-shelf components. (8) The reactor is in the study phase. It is not being built now. On the other hand a practical reactor can be distinguished by the following characteristics: (1) It is being built now. (2) It is behind schedule. (3) It requires an immense amount of development on apparently trivial items. (4) It is very expensive. (5) It takes a long time to build because of its engineering development problems. (6) It is large. (7) It is heavy. (8) It is complicated." O.k., so if it's not fission, maybe it's fusion, but for this version, the second Rickover quote is even more true. Of course, we can hope that the nuclear fusion research groups will actually be able to build a plasma container that can hold up for a couple of thousand operating hours per year. In the meantime (e.g. the next three decades), PV and some natural gas plus, increasingly, due to rapidly falling prices, batteries, are actually the cheapest solutions, even without factoring in the external costs of climate change.
אלכסנדר סעודהNovember 30, 2016 11:41 am
Warming of an additional 1C above the 2C target called for in the Paris Agreement could increase economic damages by much, very much more and you know that...
JamesWimberleyNovember 30, 2016 9:02 am
The three utilities have recognised facts by taking the big write-downs. Presumably their bankers have noticed. Access to finance is the Achilles' heel of the pipeline of new coal plants worldwide.
WACNovember 30, 2016 6:49 am
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump didn't show up in Canada at all during his term. Justin isn't going to know what hit him. I hope he's ready for that.
Oliver Sylvester-BradleyNovember 29, 2016 3:01 pm
There's also SolarAid https://solar-aid.org who sell the world's most affordable solar light, which retails for just $5 in Africa. SolarAid operate in Malawi, Uganda and Zambia...
StephanieNovember 29, 2016 11:05 am
So encouraged by this article.
UnbelieverNovember 29, 2016 3:52 am
"that the last 16 years have been among the 17 hottest on record globally" based on what what average global temperature? More unsubstantiated claims. And they call this science?
BrianNovember 28, 2016 11:09 am
Let's be clear here. Poland is using too much of the German electricity for the grid connections they have. There is a simple cheap technical solution: Grid connection regulators. These will aromatically limit the flow of electricity on a wire to safe and acceptable levels. Go to smartwires com to purchase them. Really. This is a very easily solved problem. If Germany is using Polish grids to move power from generators of any kind to consumer in Germany, then it needs to pay the polish grid owners. Long term, Poland needs it's own renewable or it needs to beef up it's grid.
BrianNovember 28, 2016 11:00 am
I think that's pessimistic. Sure it will take time to phase out coal, but solar and wind around the world have doubled every 1.8 and 3.2 years in the last ten years, Now that solar and wind are available cheaper than fossils and nuclear before gov breaks that is going to accelerate. And country that does not embrace renewable will fall behind. Germany has lead the charge, this is not the time to give up. It's time to stop gov breaks for coal, and fossils. At the historical growth rates solar and wind will produce more power than the world needs within 15 years or so. Waste to fuels will provide the hydrocarbons for backup and chemical feed stocks.
Jeff KeysNovember 28, 2016 6:16 am
Thanks for bringing this to people's attention Megan.
UnbelieverNovember 28, 2016 4:55 am
The masterminds actually think they can control the climate.
TennNovember 28, 2016 4:14 am
You may want to know that your Fillion climate policy link point to apple.com .
Ellery LeeNovember 28, 2016 2:54 am
Sorry for that but the link of “Fillon’s environment policies are worth reading” has directed to www.apple.com ...
David RiceNovember 27, 2016 3:33 pm
But we've only has scientists warning the world about the problem for 177 years! We need another 177 years to pretend it isn't happening, then another 177 years to pretend we are solving the crisis. After all, we're tailless monkeys!
Steve KnickerbockerNovember 25, 2016 11:15 pm
Poor assumption that people voting are only concerned about climate change. In fact polls, for what they are worth, put climate change pretty far down the concern list for most voters. Then again, climate change itself is full of poor assumptions, assuming it actually is about climate change.
Sully HulinNovember 25, 2016 10:42 pm
Please read The United States Constitution Article I Section 10 Clause 3.
Rich KNovember 25, 2016 10:20 pm
If California Politicians want to cut their throats open even wider to let the people of the state bleed more than they already are now I say ; Go For It. Already the highest gas and oil prices in the nation with taxes going higher every session in the legislature, Ya, that's a formula for growth. Maybe they can get Maduro to come give a talk in Sacramento about successful Marxist economies like what they are pushing full force in Caracus. Bravo,,,,,Idiots. .
Sully HulinNovember 25, 2016 8:51 pm
Read Article I Section 10 Clause 3 of United States Constitution.
CRNovember 25, 2016 8:24 pm
Human greed is an amazing thing, and a large portion of the America people, many of whom have yet to benefit from the advances of the 21st century, have just empowered it to rampage unfettered over the far tamer human traits of reason and justice. A small number of fossil fuel billionaires have the ear of this ignorant and disinterested demagogue who places nothing on Earth before his own avarice and lust for power. Just watch as he enriches himself in a global feast ("conflict of interest doesn't apply to the President" he says) and, at home, cuts back the government agencies that protect the environment and human life against the polluting corporations. Nations who would protect the planet, democracy and freedom must unite strongly against Mr. Trump. He is on track to destroy the world's greatest democracy through now totally unleashed institutional corruption. He and his rich cronies will carry out rampant deregulation and privatization (hmm, I wonder who will get to "own" all our now public infrastructure and lands?) in the US. He has the power to destroy the entire planet, suddenly ("nukes? why don't we use them?") or by slow death, by deliberately sabotaging the US commitment to the Paris agreement. He must be resisted and stopped with any political and economic means available.
CapitalistRoaderNovember 25, 2016 5:35 pm
Darn it! CCN apparently decried my comment as a fake comment because it didn't sync with their special little snowflake view of the world, so they turned it into an un-comment. Very Orwellian of them.
CapitalistRoaderNovember 25, 2016 5:20 pm
I say go for it. California should shackle itself to punishing requirements for the goal of accomplishing exactly nothing in terms of global temperatures. But as a virtue signally device, it's gold baby, gold. The big winner will be the other Western states, which have already been the recipients of tens of thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in AGI fleeing from the smug lunacy that is the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia.
rlhailssrpeNovember 25, 2016 4:53 pm
This is not a climate change issue, it is a sovereignty issue. The issue was settled at Appomattox VA in 1865,
Phil MitchellNovember 25, 2016 4:33 pm
California is perfectly free to do this. But they need to take other more courageous steps. First, refuse to accept any electricity generated in other states that do not conform to California's climate change stance. Second, do not accept any petroleum products extracted from other states. Third, do not accept egg products generated in non-free range chicken concentration camps in other states. If you are going to take a stand, take a stand. I have a question to which I do not know the answer: Do Californians use less electricity per capita than other states? Less gasoline? Does anyone know?
Rick WeldonNovember 25, 2016 3:21 pm
California economy is one tech downturn away from cratering. Then the priorities will be much different than imposing burdensome climate regulations.
jxxx mxxxNovember 25, 2016 3:15 pm
If Climate Change is such an urgent issues, why did the following groups refuse to endorse of vote AGAINST I-732, Washington's carbon tax: -WA State Dem party -Sierra club -algore -Mckkibben -350.org All groups above lack scientific credentials, yet Jams Hanson, Nasa Scientist and climate agitator endorsed it. So the scientific community endorsed it, but the left-wing politico's voted against it meaning Dems don't really believe there is an urgency
JJNovember 25, 2016 10:02 am
I visited Svalbard in Feb 2010, and even then many were discussing how unseasonably warm it was (our plane circled the airport for awhile before landing because the runway was too soft). But this is quite worse. Climate change just keeps getting scarier. We may be at the point where it's carbon capture or bust.....
Andrew PetersNovember 25, 2016 2:44 am
Trudeau is not a friend of the earth. He approved a massive LNG scheme in BC, poised to approve the Tar Sands Pipeline the Kinder Morgan Transmountain Expansion. Took on the Harper GHG reduction levels. Sorry, Justin and the Liberals. You don't have my vote.
JamesWimberleyNovember 24, 2016 9:22 am
The solar cold storage rooms were new to me. Clever, because the daytime heat coincides with solar output. With thick insulation, the night-time warming can be made slow enough so that the scheme is viable. Rainy days? We can expect household offgrid solar in rural Africa to move up to 200W kits that allow a TV and high-efficiency fridge as well as lighting and phone charging. I believe M-Kopa already offer kits of this size.
Allan BeggNovember 24, 2016 8:00 am
If true that is remarkedly fast ocean level increase...
Allan BeggNovember 24, 2016 7:56 am
The fact they believe Article sea ice will be gone before 2020 means temperature increases will be even more exponential
GnomeCoachNovember 24, 2016 3:47 am
These graphics may help some understand whether natural forces, or human effects are primarily driving global warming. What’s Really Warming the World? http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/ If this does not support your sense of certainty that natural forces predominate then you can always assume that this information is part of a massive conspiracy, as millions of others are doing. Many find great comfort in joining that crowd. Attempts to cast doubt on scientific consensus on climate change despite 97% agreement http://www.skepticalscience.com/klaus-martin-schulte-consensus.htm A Portrait of a Man Who Knows Nothing About Climate Change http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/trumps-climate-change-answer-dumber-than-you-could-imagine.html
b. maatNovember 23, 2016 11:05 pm
the europeans put the day first, then the month. this was published on september 12, 2016.
Tito HernandezNovember 23, 2016 8:58 pm
Project to protect from Sea Level Rise, Hurricanes and Tsunami in the Caribbean and Florida https://youtu.be/tRn4eUQ3ewY http://www.presapuente.com
spidersNovember 23, 2016 7:35 pm
FYI - I Jake Schmidt is from the "Natural Resources Defense Council" (NRDC) - not "National".
Dan GreaneyNovember 23, 2016 5:48 pm
Millions of jobs in climate change is not a good thing. (If it even is millions. Operating the Keystone pipeline was expected to provide about 50 jobs. ABTL-- Another Big Trump Lie?)
David EvansNovember 23, 2016 2:14 pm
This is not pragmatic reconciliation. It's saying the bare minimum to fool some of the public. I note that almost all news media lead with his "I think there is some connectivity" and very few mention his skeptical talking points. I think many of us are pathetically grateful for any hint of rationality these days.
KozlowskiNovember 23, 2016 8:34 am
Someone needs to tell them they are on a runaway train. And find a way to make it stop. Squandering hard earned wealth is not the answer. Having America borrow more from the Chinese just to pay it back to them again in the form of carbon penance is not the answer. Phase out coal because it is dirty and natural gas is cheaper. Go back to nuclear which is cheap and abundant once you remove all the lawsuits and green cretins that purposely drive up the cost of new nuclear plants. We can lower our emissions without all this UN driven madness. The UN is spectacular at corruption, fraud and spreading HIV / cholera to poor nations. Anything else, not so much.
John BerndtNovember 23, 2016 3:06 am
The bottom line is that the US did not ratify the treaty and will not. Obama didn't even bring it to the US Senate which would have voted it down. As far as US law is concerned the treaty is not worth the paper it was written on.On top of that the US Congress has to vote for any funds and is about as likely to be willing to give tens of billions of dollars to Third World countries as plunging as a body into a volcano. Giving that much cash to Third World countries would be political suicide. Outside of maybe some wealthy, liberal bastions a politician signing on for that would be signing his political death warrant. People want that money to stay at home.
JamesWimberleyNovember 23, 2016 1:15 am
Round-earthers don't debate flat-earthers. You people have had ten times more space than you deserve. I won't say you lost, because you never had any case. Now STFU and get out of the way.
Sid AbmaNovember 21, 2016 6:53 pm
President elect Trump is a business man who is going to make America Great Again. Increasing Energy Efficiency creates many jobs boosting the economy, which I believe President Trump will support. The Obama administration has a goal to kill the coal industry. They spent Billions on the technology Carbon Capture Sequestration (Kemper County) that is so expensive that the electricity being produced is unaffordable. The technologies of Carbon Capture Utilization are affordable and they transform the CO2 in the combusted coal exhaust into useful - saleable products. It creates many jobs in many sectors. When this technology is applied the coal power plant emits less CO2 into the atmosphere than a natural gas power plant. With the technology of Condensing Flue Gas Heat Recovery the heat energy is recovered/removed from the exhaust and Water is being created. If just 20% of the water is recovered the coal power plant can be self sustaining. If more is recovered it can be a water supplier to the local community instead of a consumer. The coal ash can also be transformed into useful - saleable products. Again more jobs and revenue is being created. Waste is not a waste if it has a purpose, and combusted coal exhaust can have a purpose.
BlueScreenOfDeathNovember 20, 2016 8:13 pm
Perhaps if you didn't want to become increasingly regarded as a Global laughing-stock you might consider reducing your numbers and changing your venues. Some of us find it somewhat bizarre that almost 30,000 assorted climate change apparatchiks travel every year on all expenses paid extravaganzas to five star resorts, always necessitating the extensive use of air travel, including private jets, disembarking into giant fleets of limousines - a procedure with the equivalent carbon footprint to that of a medium-sized third world nation, and then haranguing the less fortunate of us on what evil planet destroyers we are for flying off for a single holiday per year, driving our cars to work and heating our homes - and then inexorably increasing the price of all these activities apparently in order to punish us? Have you never heard of Skype? As a venue, have you considered Scunthorpe? Finally, have you noticed the results of the United Nations My World global survey currently covering 9,732,265 respondents? Perhaps you ought to take a look. http://data.myworld2015.org/ "Action taken on climate change" comes flat last, sixteenth out of sixteen categories of concern.
LomitoNovember 20, 2016 11:54 am
This was the last COP, thanks to the US citizens that voted for Trump as their next president. The COP freeloaders are forced to pay themselves for their holidays next year.
cattlewrangler .November 20, 2016 10:41 am
Almost all scientists? There's your problem, the 97% is a lie and many scientists don't agree c02 is the cause. Polititcians and the media are the ones shouting with scare stories yet they have no qualifications on the matter whatsoever. Do you honestly think that the country with the biggest arms collection in the world give a damn about it's climate? Wake up man and smell the roses.
SafetyGuyNovember 19, 2016 8:37 pm
What cowards. No wonder warming alarmists won't debate climate realists in a public forum. Your legacy deserves to be as nonexistent as Obama's 8 years of zero accomplishments.
solodoctorNovember 19, 2016 4:13 pm
As a resident of Calif, I think it would be great if it joined these talks. Or maybe one person to represent a consortium of states in the US who are all working on these issues. The election was a close one but Trump lost the popular vote. Ie, there are millions of Americans who still believe that climate change is a real and pressing issue. The majority, in fact!
AlNovember 18, 2016 9:16 pm
Trees are the greatest absorber of carbon dioxide on the planet. Humans deforesting the rain forests in Brazil and several other countries are taking away this climate stabilizer. Huge paving projects and parking lots at all the suburban malls are holding the Sun's heat and acting as a huge heat-sink which warms the atmosphere. Global warming is from those factors more than coal burning. As she sang: "pave over paradise, put up a parking lot."
robertlsNovember 18, 2016 4:19 pm
The actual pledge by these countries is: We will solve our dire need for energy by using renewables if you pay for it. Otherwise, we are going coal. What a shakedown.
JamesWimberleyNovember 17, 2016 12:13 pm
Bad news, but it's one battle lost, not the war. The projects still have to find finance. Every new coal project in the world faces a hostile environment. In reasonably free countries, they will face protesters in the streets, and suave opponents in suits with spreadsheets and lawsuits. Coal will fight back hard, with bribes and sob stories about the sterling miners it has explored, injured and killed for three centuries. It will be messy, but coal will lose.
WilsdenerNovember 16, 2016 3:30 pm
Oh my word. Thank heavens these people don't live or work in the vulnerable areas they aspire to describe. Life (and Policy) would be quite different.
JamesWimberleyNovember 16, 2016 11:59 am
It's a 12th-century legend with no contemporary evidential basis, but as originally written King Canute's stunt was not hubris but a calculated rebuke to the flattery of his courtiers and a demonstration of his own modest piety. The point holds either way.
Henk ErikNovember 16, 2016 9:02 am
Even when I dislike the election of Donald Trump I find this a rather silly article. Yes, we know Trump has said crazy things. We might even think he is crazy. But I can't see how the 'jokes' in this article are going to help any. Unless ventilating frustrations was the bigger aim.Usually though that doesn't help to win over the person your frustrated about.
UnbelieverNovember 16, 2016 5:34 am
What average temperature is the earth supposed to be?
drowningpuppiesNovember 16, 2016 2:10 am
There is no climate budget to raid.
SafetyGuyNovember 16, 2016 12:34 am
You can't get anymore pitiful. I post a comment that makes you look foolish, and you delete it. You won't even try to backup your statements.
SafetyGuyNovember 15, 2016 8:21 pm
Your first glaring error is that it's very hard to "raid" a budget when the Obumbler has never passed a budget as President. Second, if Mr. Trump wants to redirect Barry's slush fund money back into the General Fund, he and congress have every right and authority to do so. Lastly, why do you beggars of taxpayer monies not call natural global warming, Man-Made-Global-Warming any more?
ThomasJKNovember 15, 2016 2:08 pm
Without the economic endeavors that are powered primarily by the burning of fossil fuels from where does the money come that is needed for financial subsidies for wind and solar if they are to be able to operate sustainably? Just asking? To just leave out the facts that may be inconvenient is "haunting" this entire enterprise as far as I am concerned.
Bob CloseNovember 15, 2016 11:14 am
For Germany without nuclear power in future, Renewables will simply not be able to sustain adequate power generation in a growing economy. Until a better power source emerges they will have to include fossil fuels in the mix until at least 2050.
Patrick MooreNovember 15, 2016 9:37 am
Face it people, the jig is up. CO2 is not causing "dangerous climate change", perhaps no change at all. Ending fossil fuels would kill civilization, and the population will not put up with that outcome. Go home and get on with your life and spend your charitable time doing something useful, like helping the poor and protecting nature.
Beat BrunnerNovember 15, 2016 1:06 am
And this prediction is biased... Long-range electric cars will be same price as ICE cars in 2018, and cheaper in 2020, while already superior today. Same time autonomous driving will arrive, which will make ICE cars way too expensive to operate. That way, 10x less cars will be needed, so in "2035" (probably 2025 already), 80% instead of 8% will be electric+autonomous. It is time to divest from fossil companies, they are the new Kodaks.
rlhailssrpeNovember 14, 2016 11:09 pm
Climate change was dead last on the list of voter concerns in the recent historical election. Jobs, the economy topped the list. The party which espoused climate change was voted out of office. The signatories of the Paris Agreement are well aware that Presidential commitments of any US President continue at the concurrence of his following President, unless the commitments carry the authority of a Treaty. This does not exist. The new President Trump will scrutinize climate change costs and benefits in the light of our crushing national debt and general weakness in our economy. He has tapped into a small group of academics who hold that climate change is not a significant threat to America. They, and Congress, will review, fund, and overview our environmental policies. We can expect significant changes.
Jake 3November 14, 2016 8:21 pm
If, as Trump and climate deniers claim, dirty business practices are cheaper than clean ones, nations participating in COP22 and taking real action are justified in assessing a tariff on American products and services that cannot demonstrate sustainability — a carbon tax equivalent to the costs they are undergoing to become clean.
jmburcaNovember 14, 2016 7:58 pm
Rachel Kyte, head of the UN’s Sustainable Energy for All programme, said Trump did not have a mandate to reverse US climate finance commitments. “All developed countries made promises,” she said. “A promise made has to be a promise kept.” How stupid is this lady...a lot...Trump absolutely has a mandate and there's not a dam thing the UN and its enviro-fascist can do about it.
Pas ArgenioNovember 14, 2016 7:24 pm
There will be huge natural disasters every year of the Trump presidency. Devastating disasters like you have never seen. Absolutely horrible. Worst in history. Disasters.
Chris KoffendNovember 14, 2016 5:35 pm
When is "pre-industrial"? The Paris Agreement specifies this as the "base" period from a temperature and time frame from which all subsequent global temperatures will be measured against. Does this mean prior to the industrial revolution? The Industrial revolution, it seems agreed to, began in 1760 and progressed through 1820 and 1840. So is the base target "average" global temperature based on 1759? or sometime around that date, but before the Industrial Revolution began? In reviewing the estimated dates of the LIA, it spanned about 500-600 years, starting in 1300 and ending (though this varied by location), as early as 1850 (nearly 100 years after the designation of pre-industrial). Scientist stipulate that prior to the LIA, the earth/globe experience a medieval warming period! So in the end, the Paris Agreement has decided that the global basis temperature should be times to coincide with a global cooling period . . . and certainly a cooling period that afflicted areas where the greatest human advanced portions of the world resided (and therefore had the best records of temperatures). This is bothering to me . . . we pick the time frame in which the Little Ice Age existed as our basis for the target temperature . . . even though the Little Ice Age was preceded by much warmer temperatures and was followed by much warmer temperatures. What exactly is the expectation of temperatures (ie. going up or going down) upon the end of a major global cooling period? As a kid growing up, I was taught throughout the years (1970s-1980s) that the US Southwest, based on geological data and evidence, was in the midst of a multi-century (actually thousand plus years) period of much cooler and much wetter temperatures than what the geology of the area demonstrate as being typical over the many millenia. Why has the science, based on the geologic record changed so dramatically? If the answer to that is because we have much better scientists now, why should I not believe that perhaps we will have even more intelligent, or better informed scientists in the future that have a different diagnosis/analysis/hypothesis than what some scientists hypothesis is happening now? I am not looking for a response that says all the scientists agree . . . or that all the tests/studies show . . . etc. . . I am looking for a logical answer to these problems/questions/concerns. We have had many instances historically in which "all the scientists agree" . . . but were later proven wrong. And the truth is that less than half of the tests over the past few decades to determine the CAUSE of warming have successfully demonstrated that it is the result of human induced pollution. Please explain to me how and why we have now agreed to use temperatures and time - from the Little Ice Age, as the basis for what temperatures should be? Why does an agreement about climate, pollution, etc. . . feel a need to intregrate completely unrelated statements, such as: "Acknowledging that climate change is a common concern of humankind, . . . ., respect, promote and consider their respective obligations on human rights, the right to health, the rights of indigenous peoples, local communities, migrants, children, persons with disabilities and people in vulnerable situations and the right to development, as well as gender equality, empowerment of women and intergenerational equity." Look, I am all for the idea that people are treated fairly, equally, have similar opportunities to which they can choose to make the sufficient efforts to attain success . . . but if we are talking about the existence of humans being at risk due to the threat of our climate changing . . . should we really put that on the back burner for the purposes of the "empowerment of women"??? (for example)
Dénes CsalaNovember 14, 2016 4:32 pm
I have just recently written somewhat of a "one-year update" on this article. Check it out here: https://theconversation.com/india-wants-to-become-a-solar-superpower-but-its-plans-dont-add-up-68011
Dénes CsalaNovember 14, 2016 4:29 pm
The price is not enough unfortunately. Massive scale, synchronized, decentralized solar roll-out is necessary to meet climate targets. #MakeInIndia could actually play a major role in this. I have just recently written somewhat of a "half-year update" on this article. Check it out here: https://theconversation.com/india-wants-to-become-a-solar-superpower-but-its-plans-dont-add-up-68011
Wyatt EarpNovember 14, 2016 2:31 pm
You guys claim to care about CA's air, so how about giving smog checks to the thousands of dirty cars that cross the border into our state on a daily basis, or charge a dirty tax fee? Until this happens, I will continue to illegally modify my new cars. And how about fixing our damn roads?!?
Natalie UnterstellNovember 14, 2016 1:41 am
Have you noticed the 2nd period of commitment of the KP has never been ratified? It has never entered into force.
CRNovember 13, 2016 8:56 pm
The world must move forward without the United States. There is simply no choice. The US will suffer the economic consequences of it's own foolish, greedy, backward and small-minded decisions. It will no longer lead the free world because other countries who do step up will quickly earn new leadership positions. Let the US squander its own great legacy of leadership and democracy, the rest of the free world can and will do this with or without them.
vlk králNovember 13, 2016 8:52 pm
Do you really think that your non-binding piece of paper will force the US to comply with your bizarre weather cult?
vlk králNovember 13, 2016 8:41 pm
"bigger than one man"??? That man is the President of the United States.....and that STILL carries alot of influence, like it or not. I, for one, hope he succeeds in this particular endeavor. Enjoy
Kathy LowenbergNovember 13, 2016 2:12 am
Of course climate change is a Health Emergency! ONly Trump doesn't get that fact. We must all pull together now and do whatever it takes . Work with the Sierra Club in your area.
Kathy LowenbergNovember 13, 2016 2:11 am
OMG! I missed so much while sweating out our presidential election and then quickly going straight into shock! This tiny planet needs to wake up really fast and get onboard! I am committed to working more closely with the Sierra Club now and willing to do whatever it takes to stop Trump from killing us all off quickly.
Victor CachatNovember 12, 2016 5:26 pm
Trump has a mandate to NOT work with hoaxers.
Rod SolarNovember 12, 2016 4:13 pm
Hmm... hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
JamesWimberleyNovember 12, 2016 1:55 pm
The projection by Lux that absent the CPP US emissions will rise is very dubious. Basically, the Trump administration will be a life-size experiment as to what happens when government policy shifts into neutral. My take is that progress will continue, only a little slower. The rate of closure of coal generators in the USA has accelerated, while the CPP is not yet in force. Credible studies for both Colorado and Texas have shown that using a combination of new wind and existing gas capacity, many existing coal plants are now uneconomic. The Trump administration - with the likely Energy Secretary being a gas executive - is not going to subsidise coal's survival: the promises to miners are empty. It will not raise vehicle efficiency standards, and may roll back existing ones, so transport emissions will not fall. However, electric vehicles will continue to make inroads as technology improves and costs fall. California will not roll back its ev support, nor will China and the EU, nor will the growing crowd of green mayors. Building standards are in the hands of states and cities, and efficiency gains there will continue.
TerryNovember 12, 2016 4:56 am
Another genius in our midst.
WillNovember 12, 2016 1:21 am
Climate politics will be influenced strongly by increasing, dangerous impacts from warming oceans and increasing ocean acidity as a result of very high atmospheric CO2. Thermodynamic climatic changes at times go through quiet (quiescent) periods, followed by sudden, frequent, violent outbursts of incredibly dangerous weather; so we can expect more of these as evidenced in the recent past, due to increasing CO2 and other GH gases such as HFCs, methane, nitrous oxide. Increasing sea-ice melt in the Arctic will be a harbinger of a dangerous and most probably irreversible global climatic shift. A significantly large temperature difference must be maintained between the poles and tropics for climates and oceans circulation to behave normally. We must prevent more ice-melt at the poles and glaciers around the world by taking excess CO2 out of the atmosphere, quickly.
JamesWimberleyNovember 11, 2016 5:02 pm
The Trump Administration is heading for major clashes with California over climate policy, possibly even a nullification crisis in which US states assert the right to disregard federal legislation and regulations.
Bernard SaavedraNovember 11, 2016 8:11 am
With Trump as President, The Climate Change con is finished
gillardgoneNovember 11, 2016 7:53 am
Trump will sort the global warming issue out , he has a clear view on this issue and will put it into practice as soon as possible. P45 s will be in the post soon I hope.
Biologyteacher100November 11, 2016 2:11 am
No way to negociate with leader who considers Climate science a hoax. And he is backed up by a party that is afraid to acknowledge science, because it means that they will lose money offered by the Koch Brothers.
Luke KempNovember 10, 2016 3:54 pm
While I do like the optimism, it's hard to see how relying on existing trends is helpful. The Paris framework may survive, but without any other actions the 2 degree goal will slip away. Paris may be 'broad and flexible' but it also has few legal obligations. Breadth and US participation came at the cost of depth. It's a trade-off that has now backfired. Averting the worst of a Trump presidency is going to take more than simply ignoring the US. I've outline concrete steps that can be taken to "US-Proof" the Paris Agreement in previous research: http://bit.ly/2fAzJWn Also, good to see the error on withdrawal times fixed.
JamesWimberleyNovember 9, 2016 12:41 pm
The point about sub-state actors in particularly important within the decentralised US system. Just as Obama took years to find a politically and legally feasible scheme to force states to cut emissions from power generation, it will be even harder for his successor to oblige them to go into reverse and favour coal and gas in the teeth of market forces. I agree that very muted optimism is in order. A US walkout from Paris or an earlier boycott decreed by Trump do not, I agree, invalidate the calculations of national interest that led the other major emitters to sign. But it severely damages the prospects of concessionary finance on which the poorest countries relied in their NDCs. It also cripples the politics of the ratchet, which depends on all countries being roughly equally exposed to pressure from other parties and from civil society. The lukewarm such as Australia will be emboldened in their delaying strategy. The early firming up of the 1.5 degree target and the zero-net timetable may now be out of reach.
NashcatNovember 9, 2016 10:54 am
These reactions are utterly hilarious!
GirishNovember 9, 2016 10:11 am
Sir u have told that to increase population but, when we increase population our economy goes decreasing how means by the population the main evil poverty becomes more and more then our economy ll be less and unemployment ll be raised now due to unemployment corruption is increasing so as a citizen of India I tell that it is better to increase the awareness among the people about the population growth and it should decrease in a shortest time. My opinion is better to have balance population.
Joshua Edward SteenNovember 6, 2016 10:12 pm
Am I the only person that noticed this article was published in the future?
Fernando LeanmeNovember 6, 2016 8:41 am
The bit about ocean warming is puzzling. Sea water is supposed to absorb most of the surplus energy, the world ocean has always served as a thermal buffer for the planet. This isn't a "challenge", this is what global warming is about, because a warmer ocean will increase sea level, increase humidity, probably change cloud patterns and impact on temperature, change precipitation, and lead to a slight increase in large storms. We should also note that, other than sea level rise, climate change negative impacts are fairly small.
JonathanMaddoxNovember 6, 2016 12:51 am
Your fourth and fifth sentences are perfectly correct. Your third is questionable and anachronistic, as IR wavelengths certainly are a part of sunlight. The notion of visible and invisible components of the same electromagnetic spectrum was not easily and clearly expressed in everyday language in the mid nineteenth century. Your second sentence is patronising and your first is clichéd mansplaining. Just don't even.
Nassim7November 5, 2016 10:24 am
Oh what a load of nonsense. We are at the beginning of a long period of global cooling. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/29/russian-scientists-say-period-of-global-cooling-ahead-due-to-changes-in-the-sun/
JamesWimberleyNovember 4, 2016 8:10 pm
Lamu is currently a nice place for rich tourists to visit. If the coal plant goes ahead, it will be crossed off the list.
Dave AndrewsNovember 4, 2016 1:39 pm
Last year and this year were supposed to see an "ice free Arctic" in September according to the expert predictions made 8 or 10 years ago. Now the models indicate 2040 or later.
jasbunnyNovember 3, 2016 3:21 pm
Clearly Ethiopia could make tremendous headway in meeting their Paris climate goals with wind and solar investments. That goes for many other African nations as well. Developed nations could make this happen, if there were the political will - the money now spent on wars alone would pay for that many times over - but I imagine that the political will is in short supply. I don't know what would best reward for countries thinking of investing in solar and wind in Africa, but it would be nice to think that formal recognition by the UN would be a powerful motivator.
Gabriel VargasNovember 2, 2016 6:31 pm
in 2012 when Tesla model S start selling, Ellon said, all car makers should invest on electric car, but the German car maker didn't care, 4 years later, 2016, they see Tesla eating they lunch in US, then they start investing, but now the Chines are pushing hard for electric car. I hope this make then invest harder on Electric Car.
JamesWimberleyNovember 2, 2016 2:27 pm
A Trump victory would damage the Paris Agreement severely, but not kill it. It is also very unlikely. There a much higher risk that the Republicans will keep control of the US Senate and blockade Clinton's as well as Obama's nominations to the Supreme Court, putting a large question mark over Obama's plan to comply with the Agreement by regulations on vehicles and power plants. It does an injustice to the COP-22 delegates to suggest they will be distracted from their work by the results of the US election of the second day of the conference. They have a job to do regardless, and I expect they will do it.
TomNovember 2, 2016 10:01 am
If German manufacturers haven't moved sufficiently towards electric vehicles, it's their own stupid fault. Climate and air quality protections shouldn't be levelled down to accommodate lack of foresight by negligent companies. They deserve any loss suffered.
umbrarchistNovember 2, 2016 1:32 am
And 47 years after the Moon landing economists can't talk about how much CO2 is the result of Planned Obsolescence and tell consumers how much is lost on the depreciation of durable consumer goods every year.
JamesWimberleyNovember 1, 2016 8:57 am
Since world GDP growth is about 3%, PWC are confirming the finding from the IEA that global carbon emissions have plateaued - unless it's their source.
Allan BarrOctober 31, 2016 6:21 pm
Confirmation of what I suggested. http://www.ecowatch.com/climate-wmo-co2-emissions-2061476714.html?xrs=RebelMouse_fb
E5ve5lynOctober 31, 2016 6:49 am
Since the time I have started posting comments on issues related to climate change, I have already advocated mitigation and not adaptation. That is, efforts, resources and actions need to be focused on mitigation, so that, man will only adapt whatever it is that can not be mitigated. For, with the worsening impacts of the continuously increasing rate of increase in global temperatures it would be very difficult, costly and time consuming if not impossible, for, in most cases adaptation measures are time and location specific (Allowances made may not be even half of the real occurrences). Believing that the ROOT CAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE IS MAN'S DESIRE TO SATISFY HIS UNLIMITED AND EVERCHANGING WANTS, the most appropriate, immediate, effective, massive and encompassing climate change mitigation LIES IN EVERY INDIVIDUAL'S HANDS. My: A)books: 1) Applications Of Basic Economic Concepts to Mitigate Climate Change; 2) Basic Economics: The Lighthouse for Climate Chnge Mitigation and 3). WHY and HOW Climate Change is Caused by and Can be Mitigated Through Human Action (Will Soon be out for publication); B) Pamphlet : Climate Change! What We Nee to Know and C) Flyer: Climate Change: Root Cause, Consequences That Lead to It and Mitigation discuss on these.
Buzz FledderjohnOctober 30, 2016 5:02 pm
That's a silly comment that doesn't even acknowledge carbon budgets established by the UNFCCC which are accepted even by activists like Bill McKibben. I mean, his organization is called "350.org."
JamesWimberleyOctober 29, 2016 10:26 am
Great stuff from Stern. It's still doable, just. One easy first step would be to update the NDCs filed under the Paris Agreement to correspond to current policy and trends. Both for China and India, they are absurdly pessimistic already, with falling coal consumption in the former and a project freeze for new coal generating plants in the latter. A realistic assessment of current trends would therefore give a less pessimistic take. We just may be on course for 2 degrees already - though clearly not for 1.5 degrees. One key takeaway is Stern's insistence on the priority of research on negative emissions technology: reafforestation, carbon-fixing cement, olivine weathering, whatever. The failure of CCS coupled to coal power stations must not tar the entire field if sequestration. There is also a policy challenge: the market will never come to the rescue on sequestration absent a price in carbon.
JamesWimberleyOctober 29, 2016 10:08 am
Ignominious. Time for some hardball by a coalition of major trading nations in the form of port carbon levies. The flags of convenience will cave.
kqOctober 28, 2016 5:53 pm
Very confusing terms and word usage. Explaining with examples is worth the effort.
JamesWimberleyOctober 28, 2016 10:44 am
Nate Silver is out of line with other poll aggregators. Sam Wang puts Trump's chances at 1%, Huffpost at 3%. Irish bookie Paddy Power has already paid out on bets for Clinton to win. Silver's estimate depends on a high weighting of the risk of a strongly correlated systematic error across many US states, such as a hidden turnout effect. To me, the others have the better of the argument. We will be spared finding out how much damage a Trump presidency would do to global climate policy.
Diogenes60025October 28, 2016 4:16 am
Climate change is a false premise for regulating carbon dioxide emissions. Nature converts CO2 to calcite (limestone). Climate change may or may not be occurring, but is is surely NOT caused by human fossil fuels use. These changes in temperature cause changes in ambient CO2, with an estimated 800 year time lag. There is no empirical evidence that fossil fuels use affects climate. Likely and well-documented causes include sunspot cycles, earth/sun orbital changes, cosmic ray effects on clouds and tectonic plate activity. Here's why. Fossil fuels emit only 3% of total CO2 emissions. 95% comes from rotting vegetation. All the ambient CO2 in the atmosphere is promptly converted in the oceans to limestone and other carbonates, mostly through biological paths. CO2 + CaO => CaCO3. The conversion rate increases with increasing CO2 partial pressure. An equilibrium-seeking mechanism. 99.84% of all carbon on earth is already sequestered as sediments in the lithosphere. The lithosphere is a massive hungry carbon sink that converts ambient CO2 to carbonate almost as soon as it is emitted. All living or dead organic matter (plants, animals, microbes etc. amount to only 0.00033% of the total carbon mass on earth. Ambient CO2 is only 0.00255%. A modern coal power plant emits few pollutants except water vapor and carbon dioxide. Coal remains the lowest cost and most reliable source of electric energy. "Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad." Longfellow
Natalie UnterstellOctober 27, 2016 6:06 am
I hope by 2050 we will find solutions? you need to BE net zero by 2050
Andrew WarrenOctober 26, 2016 3:07 pm
"Don't confuse me with the facts, as I have my prejudices to consider" is obviously the Republicans' philosophy
Mellany TraversOctober 26, 2016 11:15 am
Thank you. Peter Wadhams and Kevin Anderson are two of the very few who have wisely discerned and acknowledged the devastating truth about Climate Change, and are speaking out. Great Waves of Change org are also warning and preparing people.
Prof Gathenya, JKUATOctober 26, 2016 10:00 am
I am happy and proud of you Daphin, you have taken a big leap of faith by jumping into the sun. I am confident you can make it. And you are offering something society needs right now.
PMD1982October 25, 2016 4:04 pm
I lived in SA for a year, and have a lot of respect for Harald Winkler and CSIR. However, after quickly reviewing this study, I have to ask, what makes the South Africa sun and renewable energy industry so much different from the rest of the world that the cost of solar PV rivals that of wind energy development? It seems improbable, because even in places in the US southwest wind stills reigns in terms of efficiency.
Benjamin WarrOctober 25, 2016 10:59 am
Caesar fiddles, while Rome burns
JamesWimberleyOctober 25, 2016 10:28 am
The rich countries never promised in Paris to put $100 bn into the GCF. It was always an envelope for multiple channels of financing.
JamesWimberleyOctober 25, 2016 10:25 am
The major trading nations hold the high cards here. They can threaten credibly to introduce port carbon dues if there is no global deal. The registry countries are small and powerless. Many big shippers support a uniform carbon tax in preference to chaotic regional levies.
JamesWimberleyOctober 25, 2016 10:19 am
Asking a think tank whether policy needs improving is like asking a barber whether you need a haircut. Both the IEA and national forecasters like (egregiously) the EIA have a long track record of overestimating the sensitivity of renewables to policy shifts and underestimating the impact of the learning curve. In fact, below grid parity you would expect market forces to dominate increasingly. This is happening. Of course, really bad policy as in Spain and the UK can do real damage, but so-so policy should usually be good enough.
rezaul karimOctober 25, 2016 1:24 am
This plant must be stopped at any cost. This will destroy Sundarban in the long run if not right away.The only way to stop this plant is by brocading and building resistance of all the supply routes from their origin to Rampal. Start doing it. Disrupt the supply.
rkiefOctober 24, 2016 6:46 pm
Really, isn't this what weather scientists expect with more moisture in the air due to AGW? more moisture, of course, causes more precipitation, but in the highest altitude and/or latitude locations - like Antarctica and some high mountains - it is cold enough to almost always fall as snow, and not melt very fast.
TMarkOctober 24, 2016 10:41 am
Climate warmists continue perpetuating the myth that increased carbon emissions have and will result in more warfare and suffering. If only they examined the two defining criteria -- war deaths and famine deaths -- they would discover how embarrassing their alarmism really is. War, famine and suffering are at record lows; indeed dramatically down during the modern carbon era. . Famine fatalities: According to UNICEF, from the 1920s through the 1960s, famine annually killed an average of 5.3 people per 1,000 globally, but only 0.5 per 1,000 since then. That's a stunning 91% reduction and yet it coincided with the globe's highest carbon output. (In this new century it's just 0.08 per 1K so far, or down 98.5%.) Don't credit UN grain bags; relief shipments have dropped through the decades. Famine of course leads to wars, which brings us to... . War fatalities: Catastrophic World War II would make this too easy, so let's begin with the 1950s. According to data from the International Peace Research Institute, combined civilian/combatant war deaths averaged 6.0 per 100,000 globally during the 50s, dropping to 4.7 during the 70s, 1.9 in the 90s, and most recently 0.7 per 100k. All told a 88% reduction since the 1950s. The number of conflicts began dropping when the Cold War ended and today nearly all conflicts are internal/civil wars with death tolls remarkably lower than previous wars. . So why all the alarmist hyperbole and the ease with which a populace would believe it? Could it be that constant 24/7 news, global video transmission, handheld devices, the Internet and social media combined have saturated our minds with a false impression that violence and suffering have worsened? Is it also possible that each generation believes its own era is more pivotal and cataclysmic than prior ones despite contradicting data? Are those two considerations so overwhelming that alarmists don't even bother to research the historical record? Today's alarmists say we humans are doomed, but the facts indicate humankind has already saved itself.
JamesWimberleyOctober 24, 2016 10:16 am
The EU commissions another report on decarbinisation pathways to be delivered in three years. Are we supposed to treat this as s serious response? Here is the Wimberley report, in three minutes. 1. Complete the transition in electricity generation. Policies known and partly in place. 2. Electrify land vehicles. Maintain or introduce incentives for electric cars, buses, light vans. Increase R&D on trucks. 3. Introduce carbon pricing (real or implicit) for aviation and shipping. Boost R&D. 4. New, major research efforts on low-carbon iron-making and cement, also wood construction. 5. Incentives for efficiency and carbon-positive land use, especially forestry. 6. Crash research programme on gigascale sequestration. There are probably a few other things. But let's get started on what we know has to be done.
ZeroLoverOctober 23, 2016 8:30 pm
The article doesn't mention the massive spending campaigns geared towards discrediting electric vehicles. Sure Oil is on the ropes, but we all know who is paying the referee. The Kock Brothers are expected to spend about $10 million dollars per year on research and media coverage aimed to discourage government incentives on EVs, and to strengthen public perception of petroleum-based fuels in transportation applications. Not for truth, but for protecting their aging empire.
OnePageBioOctober 22, 2016 5:16 pm
Looking forward to hear response from Bangladesh Govt.
JamesWimberleyOctober 22, 2016 10:51 am
South Africa has IIRC no domestic gas supply, and it's dry with limited hydro potential, so the two obvious options for backing up variable wind and solar are inadequate. But CSP with storage is not speculation but a tested, shovel-ready technology that fits the bill. Retrofitting coal power stations to provide fast ramping has been done in Germany, but the low capacity factors as well as the pollution make it unattractive. As for the nuclear option: a closed-door deal with a thuggish and corrupt autocracy using technology nobody else trusts, what could possibly go wrong?
JamesWimberleyOctober 19, 2016 5:53 am
This one really has to be stopped, at the head of the list of subsidised or politically favoured exports of coal generators. What banks are putting their reputations and balance sheets at risk by financing Rampal? The Irrawaddy is in Burma and runs nowhere near Bangladesh.
fazalOctober 19, 2016 5:16 am
Thanks to the writer as well as to the UN for speaking up in favor of protecting the Sundarbans.
Henk Daalder Windparken WikiOctober 17, 2016 8:49 pm
Coal is OK, as long as the power plant has CCS2. Its not sustainable, but CCS2 makes any fossil power plant climate neutral. That is more important than sustainable. With CCS2 the CO2 is captured, known technology, then its fixed to a substance, by having it react with Olivine. The result of the reaction is magnesiumcarbonate and sand. To give this reaction enough speed, a new innovation is required, the gravity pressure vessel. This is a steel tube, 1 km into the ground. In internal tube allows a constant flow through the tube. Mud of water, CO2 and Olivine is pumped in the tube, and at 1 km depth, the pressure is high enough to speed up the chemical reaction between Olivine powder and CO2, to create MagnesiumCarbonate and sand. The reaction also produces a lot of heat, that can be used fot the capture of CO2, in the first phase of CCS2. CCS2 is a preoces that should become mandatory for all 3000 power plants in the world. With this technology, Poland too, can become climate neutral, while keeping their coal plants in operation.
DogzOwnOctober 17, 2016 4:38 am
But don't Minisisters Hunt and Frydenberg say east coast marine problems are caused by agricultural run off, fertiliser and sediment, that warming and acidification aren't happening?
MikeOctober 16, 2016 12:51 pm
So the deal (on Oct.7th) was ratifed, but Poland has exceptional circumstances that allow it not to have to meet emissions reductions? The arguments as to why one country should be permitted to continue to go on polluting are not well-justified in Mr. Szyszko's letter. Does Poland want to continue having a 19th Century energy economy?
JamesWimberleyOctober 15, 2016 6:27 pm
The carve out for India, Pakistan and Iran is shameful but has a flimsy justification in economic necessity. But what on earth are the Gulf States doing in that group? SFUK they don't manufacture refrigeration or air-conditioning equipment, and can easily afford the slight increase in import costs. My guess is that the exemption will prove pointless. No manufacturer anywhere with hopes of export markets will now build a new production line that will become a liability in eight years. General experience with this type of regulation is that the alleged added costs that manufacturers complain about disappear once they are forced to change, and find cheaper ways of complying. Chinese and Korean manufacturers will advertise HFC-free premium equipment, and local downmarket rivals will follow suit.
JamesWimberleyOctober 13, 2016 1:14 pm
Understandable but pedestrian. One percentage target looks very much like another to the ordinary citizen. Net zero on the other hand is instantly comprehensible and can be made inspiring. The emphasis on sequestration technology is very welcome. This deserves top research priority if the 1.5 degree target is to be taken at all seriously, since the world is certain to overshoot the correspinding carbon budget.
JamesWimberleyOctober 13, 2016 1:08 pm
Coal is a train wreck already, with hundreds of billions of stock slides, bankruptcies, writeoffs and stranded assets, plus an army if unemployed miners. Thinking ahead could create an easier path for the phaseout of first oil, then gas. It's not likely to happen. "The burnt child's bandaged finger / Goes wabbling back to the fire" (Kipling).
JamesWimberleyOctober 13, 2016 11:12 am
Hear, hear. Might be worth adding that at least two countries have exemplary low-carbon policies while not being particularly vulnerable: Bhutan and Costa Rica. De Brum's leadership in Paris in getting the 1.5 degree C target written into the text, even aspirationally, was immensely important. I'll venture a prediction that it will become the pivot of future climate diplomacy. The 2 degree target is now both easily attainable and too dangerous. And no, Indian air-conditioning manufacturers are not on my priority list for handouts.
Tom GrayOctober 12, 2016 9:10 pm
1) These guys are writing for a U.S. audience. That makes the temptation to think of the world as the U.S. and everyone else very strong. 2) You're right, though, that framing things in that way makes it easy for readers to mentally give the U.S. a pass as "no worse than everybody else." No magic answers here. Maybe encourage more effort by most vulnerable to team with larger countries like Bangladesh and Indonesia that are also under the gun?
TheDudeofVooOctober 12, 2016 2:40 am
Plot the NSIDC data yourself, or let WoodForTrees.org plot it for you: http://woodfortrees.org/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1979.4/to:2007.5/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:2007.4/to:2016.4/trend/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:2007.4/to:2016.4
alwaysthinkOctober 11, 2016 5:37 pm
She get it and does have much more detailed plans than Sander had. She even has real plans to deal with fracking and the damage it does. Sander national "ban" would not have done much to really help the problem. Clinton understands that to really stop the fracking harm it must be dealt with in the States because of the way laws and regulations are structured. What was very interesting was Tom Hayden coming out to support Clinton over Sanders. He spends most of his energy on fracking in CA these days. When he studied the plans of both he recognized that HRC had the more detailed and realistic plans. He's on the ground and his take is that just a national ban really does nothing. It's a complex set of issues and must be dealt with that way. This is where a wonk like Hillary shines.
Sid AbmaOctober 11, 2016 1:05 am
What no comments?
Sid AbmaOctober 10, 2016 11:24 pm
Africa needs electricity and it needs food produced. The World Bank needs to put up power plants to produce electricity. It needs to construct large ranges of commercial greenhouses next to the power plants. These greenhouses can use the recovered heat energy from the exhaust to heat and or cool these greenhouses. The cooled CO2 can be used to enrich the food producing plants inside the greenhouses. Production inside a greenhouse is 8 times that of the same area of land grown crops. Growing these plants hydroponically greatly conserves water. When the heat energy is removed from the combusted exhaust with the technology of Condensing Flue Gas Heat Recovery, water is produced. There is enough water created that the power plant can be self sustaining and even become a water supplier to the greenhouse range. Many people will be employed at the power plant and in the greenhouses, growing food for Africa.
NBOctober 10, 2016 8:21 am
Because the coal is higher Ash cz and typically lower energy. It means you have to dig up more of it to produce the same amount of power. Its also less efficient in the newer power stations and the Galilee coal has very low trace elements, sulphur, chlorine, arsenic etc etc. Much lower than global averages. Adani and Alpha projects can put the coal on the boat for about $40/t. At no stage during the downturn would it ever have lost money. Right now the coal Price has rebounded as China has turned off its high cost operations, and Carmichael coal would be making heaps of profit.
Henk Daalder Windparken WikiOctober 9, 2016 8:14 am
There is a method of capturing CO2, and fixing it in a substance. That is witn the mineral Olivine. The chemical reaction between olivine powder and CO2 is slow, but spread over large, moist suffaces, like beaches, we can mak a start. And every country can do this by themselves. A second proces is keeping power plants in operation, but making CCS2 mandatory foor all 3000 fossil power plants in the world. This gives the fastest result. To fix the amount of CO2 from a power plant or industrial CO2 producer, like a cement mill, a new reactor is required, the gravity pressure vessel, a steel tube 1 km into the earth, Mud of olivine powder, and the captured CO2, goes in this 1 km deep tube. At the bottom part of the tube, there is so much pressure, that the chemical reaction between Olivine and CO2 reaches a practical speed. The reaction substances, Magnesium Carbonate and sand, and water, are pumped up, via a internal tube in the gravity pressure vessel. So this is a contiuus process. Because the reaction between Olivine and CO2 also produces heat, the gravity pressue vesslel needs cooling, to control the temperature down below, to optimal values. More on the gravity pressure vessel: http://www.innovationconcepts.eu/GPVGravityPressureVessel.htm Furthermore, to become CO2 negative, the coal plants need to burn a Biomass derived fuel. And capture the CO2 But as written in the article above, food production may become a problem. That is why, we need to start utiize the sun on the oceans too, grow biomass at sea. And find ways toharvest that, proces the biomass to valuable stuf, like plastics, and fuel for the power plants. The Dutch Wageningen University has the competence to develop these processes, but it is a dutch university, in one of the most pro fossil regimes of the world. So, tell them, they have to do something for these processes, to save their country and the world. There is already a artificial lake near the university, to pilot the processes to grow and harvest biomass, the Markermeer.
pmagnOctober 8, 2016 5:58 am
so another.. is to nationalize FF enterprise and manage drawdown directly.
Karen OrlandoOctober 7, 2016 10:49 pm
The real issue is Bill Mckibben writing an essay based on people he works with or allies and the idea that oil change international is some kind of authority that the public should listen to. What was Oil Change International's last report? The one about the natural gas pipelines in the united states that was "reported" on by allies over at desmog blog and I think picked up by the non-activist media? http://www.desmogblog.com/2016/07/22/planned-gas-pipeline-construction-east-coast-puts-climate-risk-report The author of the report is basically a lifetime activist correct? Formerly of Greenpeace?
MrJasjr7273October 7, 2016 6:07 pm
So impose a 1% sales tax on all stock market sales. Boom, I think there's enough money there if all world markets did the same thing.
trevormarrOctober 7, 2016 10:20 am
ha ha approve reality? I sure hope so!
trevormarrOctober 7, 2016 10:19 am
We are a responsible industry providing a product that is used by Everyone, Everywhere for EVERYTHING!!! Even GREEN requires oil to exist! We need optimization and innovation for the Capables, not just forced use and subsidization of the Incapables! See REALITY! And compare the responsible, regulated Canadian Oil Sands to the 35 year Reclamation Plan for NYC! https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0LEV05oZ_dX2YQAVwhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEycmQ3a3NqBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjE2MThfMQRzZWMDc2M-?p=Oil+Sands+Reclamation&fr=aaplw
WillOctober 6, 2016 4:21 am
It has not yet dawned on people the implications of full, unmitigated global warming disaster. Add up the sufferings of human societies from all the wars in the past, then multiply by hundreds of times! Governments must do their utmost now to prevent this happening!
ConcernedOctober 6, 2016 1:18 am
Exhalation causes no net increase of CO2. https://www.skepticalscience.com/breathing-co2-carbon-dioxide.htm
Dean WatsonOctober 5, 2016 10:51 pm
Brian Cox is looking pretty stupid, by being conned by this now discredited data. It's a pity, but Its easier to be fool someone, than explain to them that they are being fooled.
Steve KretzmannOctober 5, 2016 4:22 pm
Karl Mathieson is right that our report, “The Sky’s Limit: Why the Paris Climate Goals Require a Managed Decline of Fossil Fuel Production,” is based on a risk judgment. As implied by the title of the report, that risk judgement was made by world leaders in Paris last December, when nations of the world agreed to: “Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2 °C above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5 °C above pre-industrial levels...” “Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2 °C” ≠ 50-50 chance. Oil Change International ran the analysis based on a conservative interpretation of the meaning of the Paris Agreement. It would be reasonable to interpret the Paris language as demanding a 90% chance of staying below 2 °C rather than only a 66% chance, but it wouldn’t change the essential conclusion of the report that the expansion of the fossil fuel industry must stop as soon as possible. The issue is not our colleagues at Carbon Tracker. Because their audience is large investors, it serves them to build their work off the analysis of a government-supported agency like the International Energy Agency (IEA). The problem is the IEA, whose supposedly climate-safe scenario only represents a flip-of-a-coin’s chance of staying below the upper limit of the Paris Agreement. The world deserves better odds than that.
JamesWimberleyOctober 4, 2016 10:33 pm
This is the standard reading of the impact on climate diplomacy of a Trump presidency: a disaster that would dishearten efforts across the world. Count me sceptical. An elected Trump would be a disaster, but led in other fields like security and migration. The basis of the Paris Agreement was a double realisation that action to cut emissions was essential to protect vital national interests, and that it was virtually costless. A temporary or even permanent US boycott would not change this. Progress towards the 1.5 degree C goal would come to a halt, and the poorest countries would find it harder to raise finance for the transition. But countries would not backtrack on their existing NDCs - which for both China and India are far less ambitious than current trends on the ground. Simple economics would continue the changeover in US electricity generation. Don't confuse Trump's empty promises to coal miners with actual policy.
John O'SullivanOctober 4, 2016 7:40 pm
Vote Trump and end the climate fraud! There are no 'heat trapping' gases to those trained in the 'hard' sciences. Only in the corrupt world of government-funded climate 'science' does carbon dioxide add/retain heat. In fact, the only known industrial application for carbon dioxide is as a coolant - used extensively in refrigeration before the time of CFC's; it makes dry ice for goodness sake. If it could magically trap/delay heat transport then it would be used as an insulator - it isn't!
JamesWimberleyOctober 4, 2016 9:00 am
The silver lining to the oil industry's BAU fantasy is that they have not put real effort into stopping the rise of electric cars. It is now too late. Provoked by Tesla and BYD, the legacy carmakers now mostly accept that the electric transition is inevitable, they just don't want it to happen so fast that their ICE assets are stranded. The charging networks get denser by the day. The tax breaks are politically solid, and the pace of improvement in batteries is so fast that subsidies will only need to last another five years. The Kochs have finally started to put money into defending gasoline, but the effort is trivially small ($10m) and unfocused.
JamesWimberleyOctober 4, 2016 8:43 am
No objection. But is a moratorium on new coal mines really the priority? The Carmichael mine is a dead man walking, the lawsuits are an exercise in shifting the blame. Falling coal burn kills mines and mine projects automatically. I suggest the priority should be to keep pressing banks and other investors on the riskiness of new coal generating plants, and governments to live up to their empty promises to end subsidies to fossil fuels any day now.
berniegoetzOctober 3, 2016 11:47 pm
Very possibly the severe ice ages for the past 700,000 years were an aberration, and the planet is returning to the hotter way it was 800,000 years ago. Its odd that advanced civilization only started after the last ice age. We live in special times.
José Truda Palazzo Jr.October 3, 2016 12:03 pm
The PT regime built those dams with the sole purpose of getting the billions in bribes and kickbacks from their masters, the huge building corporations. The new government has already announced a halt to that absurdity. As for deforestation, there are many factors at play so I´m not that pessimistic - I`d say that they are equally unprepared/unwilling to tackle it, but commitments under the paris Agreement may help change that.
José Truda Palazzo Jr.October 3, 2016 12:00 pm
After almost 40 years of environmental activism in Latin America, I am fully convinced that governments of the so-called "right" are MUCH better for the environment than the populist thugs that portray themselves as the "left" around the continent. Governments led by people who read boolks and heed market forces are much more likely to react to actaul conservation/environmental issues than illiterate corrupt demagogues like LuLLa, Roussef or Kirchner, simply beacuse these not only are too intellectually handicapped to understand the issues and their links to the Economy, but also because the "right" does not negotiate with civil society or the world at large from a holier-than-thou, father-of-the-poor position, which characterized the dark years of the PT fascist regime in Brazil, where any NGO too critical of their environmental policies was declared an Enemy of the State and denied any meaningful dialogue opportunity. I am hpopeful that the rise of "conservatism" in the region will mean not only better climate policies, but also more national parks, biodiversity conzservation policies, and a late but certain entry into the 21st century for our societies.
Lou Del BelloOctober 2, 2016 4:20 pm
Unfortunately this is a pilot project designed to be run on the cheap, at least for the time being. Researchers are hoping that more funding will come in once they are able to showcase results.
Mike HanauerOctober 2, 2016 3:57 pm
PLEASE. JUST ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE WON”T DO IT. AUTHENTIC SUSTAINABILITY MUST BE INCLUDED IN OUR GOAL. This is much BIGGER than only climate change (or whatever symptom you want to fight today), which is one of many difficult environmental and social problems we now have. I have come to believe that getting to authentic sustainability, as the real environmental issue, is the required overarching goal if we wish to save our planet, our nation, and our communities. If we only try to mitigate symptoms like climate change, we still NEVER attain authentic sustainability. That means the oceans still die, the fish are all eaten, the planet’s diversity of life disappears with all its habitat, the traffic, sprawl, heaps of trash, and economic inequality still only get worse with always escalating housing prices, clean water becomes ever scarcer, and we still need franken foods to feed the growing population. In fact, mitigating only carbon emissions may well allow us to further escape sustainability and worsen all the symptoms. Our continuing population and economic growth overwhelms all else, including carbon emissions and our need for energy. I believe we must get to a steady state economy (see CASSE at http://steadystate.org/). Our culture of looking to (eternal) growth is the SOURCE of most of our problems, NOT the solution. The USA doubles its GDP every 40 years and doubles its population every 60 years. Growth overwhelms all else we try to do to help the environment and our society. It only feeds quantity while quality is overwhelmed. You say we don’t have time to act on the overarching issue of growth? We have said that for 50 years, yet we always find some other symptom to fight. Further, changing population trends is technologically easy and quick compared to changing atmospheric carbon levels. It is time! Individuals and, especially, organizations must rise to this reality if they value their mission or an honest quality future. Consider even the local financial, water and open space challenges in your own community. Without always pressure to support more growth, we could concentrate on our quality of life rather than in always somehow accommodating more. “Better, not bigger”. Population is the great multiplier! “Anyone who believes in unlimited growth is either a madman or an economist”. -Kenneth Boulding
Dark PenguinOctober 1, 2016 5:31 am
Sadly it isn't just conservative religious beliefs that bear some responsibility here, but also of the political left with which I am otherwise generally in accord. Once the postwar baby boom ended in the United States, and small families became the norm elsewhere in the world, we arrived at a point where Westerners had all gotten the message and didn't need to hear it. That left other places with very different cultures, religions, and ethnicities and advocating for family planning soon became distasteful and by some associated with eugenics, cultural chauvinism, and even genocide. It was very sudden and quick. ZPG type organizations were prominent in the earliest Earth Day observances but were quickly marginalized after that.
JamesWimberleySeptember 30, 2016 9:15 am
A country cannot ratify a treaty with conditions that aren't in it. It can make a declaration clarifying its understanding of things that are in it, like climate finance. What is the leverage here - to threaten to denounce the Agreement in three years' time if the rich countries don't pay up? I read this as empty grandstanding.
Sid AbmaSeptember 30, 2016 1:46 am
Tell Vietnam to come to the USA and connect with the companies that have developed Carbon Capture Utilization Systems. Over 90% of the CO2 can be removed from the combusted coal exhaust and transformed into products that can be sold or turned into a bio fuel that can be combusted alongside the coal. This bio fuel has 2x the Btu value as that from coal, and it has no penalty and much less ash. It creates many jobs in the process.
timallardSeptember 30, 2016 1:21 am
Consider for saving the sea-ice it's not going to happen from emissions reductions so the ways to save the ice became few. For me viewing it in heat-transfer a significant global thermal switch is damming Berinig Straits to reduce the flow of heat and fresher water into the basin that melts the ice from below. This video shows recent years with the straits melting out first and freezing last: "Arctic Sea Ice timelapse from 1978-2009"; 3:58; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j8SGs_gnFk With a dam and levees in place to create a sea-ice refuge it's possible to then build ice-polders where the currents and wave action is gone to allow refreezing the seabed to -2C. If that works to then attack the methane plumes on the shallow continental shelf areas building atolls around them to refreeze them. All the while expanding the refuge to include the entire Chukchi Sea and half the Bering Sea using artificial islets and shoals to disrupt currents and wave action to preserve the ice longer, all this allowing sea-mammal migrations with shipping confined it must be locked-through at the dam and levees to prevent disruption of the ice, shipping lanes kept nearshore with the fresher water by levees where sensitive to the ice. With permanent sea-ice in some ice-polders and historical winter area again, a hope is that it will alter the loopy jetstream paths in a positive manner and likewise affect how the polar-vortex behaves. By removing so much flow volume it reduces the amount of warmer Atlantic water drawn into the Arctic basin as they are connected hydraulically, the Pacific 1/2m higher than the Arctic; the straits were closed until 12k-years ago. So this project is a coastal engineering one of dredge-n-fill with erosion protection to remove the heat and change the Arctic atmosphere's thermal conditions to favor cold quickly as a project versus controlling emissions. Today's albedo-loss is worth 25-years of USA power compared to the previous average 1980-2010 sea-ice cover, about 3,800-Terajoule-hours/yr for USA power = 95,000-Twh a year in energy, 1-Watt = 1-Joule. Global steam capacity is some 18,000-Twh/year so the waste-heat is 36,000-Twh/year of direct heating; to compare: 36000÷95000 = 38% of albedo-loss for impacts, so, the strategy is worth a serious look. To begin, then refine the methods all the villages being eroded away will be restored and raised, cladded for the near future of sea-level rise and to advise on all aspects of how to thread the needle and keep the ice a lot longer.
Joe PublicSeptember 29, 2016 9:24 pm
"None of these stories produced any evidence that the blackout and the 40% of its electricity South Australia gets from wind were related." The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. So in the circumstances, how can you be certain your categorical headline is correct?
Dr. Hans Kugler, PhDSeptember 29, 2016 7:54 pm
Failing to respond to AMEG's warnings about unusual arctic ice losses - - US study 350 cubic miles arctic ice lost per year, confirmed by a German study, 500 cubic kilometers arctic ice loss/year - - and not taking urgently required countermeasures due to carbon industry bullshitting of the public (1, 2) WAS THE CLIMATE CHANGE BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY. (1) The extreme severity of Global Warming: pulling the tiger by the tail. http://www.expertclick.com/NRWire/Releasedetails.aspx?id=80193 (2) The Greed Machine Behind Global Warming http://www.expertclick.com/NewsRelease/The-Greed-Machine-Behind-Global-Warming,201680604.aspx And how does this connect to YOUR health, applied anti-aging? http://www.antiagingforme.org
Mark PawelekSeptember 29, 2016 3:26 pm
I hear it was quite difficult to blackstart the grid because they had so few sources of dispatchable power. Windmills did not help with that, the contrary.
JamesWimberleySeptember 29, 2016 3:01 pm
Wind and solar actually grew fast under Dilma, to the point where huge new dams thousands of kilometres from the cities no longer make any economic sense. The policy seems to have survived the coup, sorry transition. Petrobras' ambitions for deep offshore oil have shrivelled not from politics and its spectacular corruption but from economics - much of this oil is too expensive to be worth tapping at current oil prices. The big worry is on deforestation. Dilma was inadequate on this, but the new team will be worse.
theinitiateSeptember 29, 2016 12:01 pm
The solution, isn't as simple as "junking" your car. For some, in urban areas, maybe yes. But, many millions of people, live in rural areas, as I do. Not everyone could live in an urban area. I did for 17 years. I'd never go back. But, I have to go to work. (at least for another 3 years, then retire). If we want to get rid of cars, which I agree with, the government, needs to turn our economy inside out.... or someone does. People cannot simple, upend their lives to make the kind of switches that are required. We all need to do this, extremely fast. What really needs to happen, is to get rid of industrial civilization. But, that will end in chaos. However, I do think we lost our chance to "power down" in an organized, planned way.
HobartcatSeptember 29, 2016 8:42 am
I'm waiting for some ancient pathogen to emerge from the ice and kill us all. We had a good thing, but our arrogance caused us to squander it.
Vo_ReasonSeptember 29, 2016 4:33 am
My thoughtful but not compliant comment was just removed. This site is now on my list of closed minded bigots.
Vo_ReasonSeptember 29, 2016 3:55 am
Arctic ice is at lower levels, but it is not disappearing. There is more this year than in 2012. And Antarctic ice is fairly stable at historic levels. Why would we have more ice in 2016 than 2012 if things were growing progressively worse? I'm not a denier, but I just don't have a lot of faith in the religious zeal and financial rewards of falling in line with the alarmists. Those who don't usually have their careers ruined. That is an equally important deterrent to expressing doubts over the "settled" science. FYI, isn't calling science settled an oxymoron?
David TiessenSeptember 28, 2016 8:26 pm
Why is wise preparation to mitigate future consequences presented as demagoguery?
ilma630September 28, 2016 7:25 pm
"Peter Wadhams, an expert on the disappearing Arctic ice". Hahahaha. That's so funny. Expert? The Arctic is gaining ice! Former expert me thinks, but no longer. Why do folk still listen to this abject failure?
AnthonySeptember 28, 2016 7:15 pm
No
AnthonySeptember 28, 2016 7:13 pm
My water is unmetered.
AnthonySeptember 28, 2016 7:13 pm
Firstly there is no other mutually attractive force. Secondly the average lifetime of a hydrogen nucleus in the fusion process is billions of years. We need a small and fast solution that is preferably not explosive.
WillSeptember 28, 2016 6:31 pm
A carbon tax rate needed to achieve carbon neutral growth from 2020, according to CORSIA's proposal, commencing in 2016 to realize ambition, can easily be calculated. This tax revenue, collected from airline ticket sales, could go directly into a common, transparently administered global aviation CO2 emissions reduction fund.
Dana ScullySeptember 28, 2016 4:46 pm
Restoring grassland is the cheapest and most efficient method of removing carbon from the air and putting it back in the ground.
WillSeptember 28, 2016 2:24 pm
In a quick response to the Arctic emergency, people need cool, calm heads, with strong leadership from governments and large corporate bodies (technology and finance). Dramatic changes to energy use are needed: . A quick switch from fossil fuels to renewable electricity and hydrogen for power, transport, industry and chemicals. . All carbon needed for industry and other uses should be extracted as carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. . Globally boost photosynthesis in plants by a very large order of magnitude in forests, crops and rangelands for the next 10 - 50 years with modern fertilizers. . Every UN nation moves to a transparent carbon tax on CO2 emissions, which can be accounted and credited (including all above) as part of their national efforts in keeping with the Paris Agreement.
JamesWimberleySeptember 27, 2016 10:59 pm
Good and disturbing journalism. There's a small error in the post that in fact underlines IRS main message. "India is expected to double coal generation by 2031". That is indeed the official plan. But neither the government nor the private sector are acting as if they still believe in it. Coal projects are stalling, as bad risks to investors. Coal India has been told to limit production to match slowing demand. The Chinese banks funding coal generators abroad are likely to lose money, as cheap renewables erode the capacity factors if coal plants, and public opinion reacts to the health dangers.
BenMercaSeptember 27, 2016 9:00 pm
It is not bordering on dishonest...it is dishonest, and immoral. climate change talk has been around since I was a child, that was some time in the mid sixties when the first reports of the new science of Ice-core studies began with the Norwegian expeditions to the poles for core sampling. Decade after decade has passed, and with each, more compiled data affirming the growing theories of climate change and the analysis of the possible impacts. Instead of compiling policy and process, we have allowed the political and corporate class to fiddle away what time we had for preparation, and earlier, the possibility of cause reduction. We have allowed the shallow and corrupt to have their way, and we will suffer the errors of our way.
BenMercaSeptember 27, 2016 8:57 pm
It is not bordering on dishonest...it is dishonest, and immoral. climate change talk has been around since I was a child, that was some time in the mid sixties when the first reports of the new science of Ic4e-core studies began with the Norwegian expeditions to the poles for core sampling. Decade after decade has passed, and with each, more compiled data affirming the growing theories of climate change and the analysis of the possible impacts. Instead of compiling policy and process, we have allowed the political and corporate class to fiddle away what time we had for preparation, and earlier, the possibility of cause reduction. We have allowed the shallow and corrupt to have their way, and we will suffer the errors of our way.
steve_from_virginiaSeptember 27, 2016 2:57 pm
Colonialism isn't going to work for China any more than it did for Russia, Germany, UK, France, Belgium, Portugal, Netherlands and a host of other countries. Better for the climate scientists to get rid of their cars and cut unnecessary jet travel. If they all junked their cars at once on television it would make an impression. Irony: who could have foreseen Malthus coming out of the closet after all these years ...
EoraSeptember 27, 2016 8:44 am
The letter from Szyszko is a joke, especially the fragment concerning Poland's methods to reduce GHG emissions. Hydro accounts for ~1% of Poland's energy mix, some geothermal potential is there but at low temperature, useless with current technology. There is also a mistake made in "storage facilities for coal accumulated in wood", as it should be carbon accumulation in wood, suggesting future implementation of BECCS. Good luck with that!
steve_from_virginiaSeptember 27, 2016 5:03 am
So ... colonialism is somehow going to work for the Chinese when it failed for British, French, Germans, Portuguese, Dutch, Spanish, Romans, Mongols, Aztecs, Venetians, Russians, Lombards, Franks, US, etc. Let me know how that goes. Meanwhile, everyone says Malthus was wrong ... does this mean everyone is wrong?
stashgalSeptember 27, 2016 3:48 am
Professor Wadhams, I think it's way too dam late. We have 7.5 BILLION HUMANS on a planet that can support only about 1 billion. You don't need to be a "rocket scientist" to see that we are far beyond what is sustainable & we continue to breed like rabbits thanks to RELIGION & obstructionist RELIGIOUS governments. Even without global warming/climate change, overpopulation alone is enough to send us into collapse & mass starvation, but without global warming, their would be survivors, with global warming, only microbes will survive. Our animal instincts, gullibility, greed, ignorance & our DAM RELIGIOUS BELIEFS have doomed us to extinction along with most life on this planet. Can you or anyone prove me wrong? I would love to be proven wrong. Good luck with that!
JamesWimberleySeptember 26, 2016 11:37 pm
You don't have to be an alarmist, or agree wiylth Wadham's scariest predictions, to agree that research in carbon sequestration needs to be boosted by two or three orders of magnitude. What is the point of continuing to spend hundreds of millions on nuclear and fission research? Even better solar panels, wind turbines and LED lights will be nice rather than essential to the energy transition. Better vehicle batteries count as essential, but that is coming along fine.
JamesWimberleySeptember 26, 2016 11:28 pm
The United States was absolutely determined to dump the "climate justice" approach of Kyoto, which it could not ratify. The argument for special treatment by middling-income countries was feeble anyway: "it's now our turn to trash the playground". Very fortunately, the falling cost of renewables and efficiency made the free rider problem go away, and opened the way to the Paris coalition of the willing. The infeasible call for climate justice turned into a negotiable demand for concessional finance for the poorest and most vulnerable countries. Remember the motto of Rabelais' Abbey of Thélème: "Fais ce que voudrais" - do as you please.
Allan BarrSeptember 26, 2016 8:02 pm
We ran out of carbon budget once we passed thru 280 CO2.
shastatoddSeptember 26, 2016 7:39 pm
so china is the "bad guy" here for following our lead down the toilet???
CraigBoviaSeptember 26, 2016 5:42 pm
Finally, a Scientist that is telling the Truth about the Sudden and Violent Climate Change that is heading Our Way. Many of our Coastal Cities and parts of Washington will be under water by 2025 or sooner. Drought and flooding will cause hundreds of millions to starve and this will lead to War. The Three Billion new People due by 2050-60 will not like what they have been born into. People do not like to be Hungry and dying of heat-related illnesses. They tend to get extremely cranky. Shared...
WillSeptember 26, 2016 4:03 pm
It takes an incredible amount of energy to remove carbon dioxide straight from the atmosphere. Then there is the problem of what to do with the CO2! It could be converted to carbon monoxide (still needing abundant energy) and reacted with hydrogen to form hydrocarbons which can be used in transport and for chemicals. Better still, the abundant solar energy in nations such as Australia and the Middle East can be used to desalinate sea water, followed by solar energy electrolysis to produce hydrogen in a safely contained form for transport. Massive scale hydrogen production can be one of the main solutions, including photosynthesis, to climate change mitigation - if fossil fuel companies such as Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP etc, can be persuaded by their governments to give up fossil fuel production and instead move to hydrogen production using solar energy. An enormous amount of research has already been conducted by Germany and the US on using hydrogen for transport and in industry. Energy is the answer. If we can utilize the enormous amount of energy falling on Earth as sunshine each day, emissions of CO2 can be reduced quickly (quick is the key word!) before we lose more sea-ice, as warned by Professor Wadhams. We just cannot risk losing any more Arctic or Antarctic sea-ice!.
Daniel PopeSeptember 26, 2016 9:11 am
What pivot?? Do you really think that when she talks about making the US a "clean energy superpower" people don't realize she's talking about climate change? If 30% of millennials don't think there's any difference on climate change between her and Trump, dumb stories like this have to share some of the blame. You may dislike elements of her energy policies, but it's misleading to claim that she's running away from the issue.
Greg HamraSeptember 25, 2016 2:41 pm
There's a growing consensus of thought-leaders who've all lined up behind carbon pricing as the Holy Grail of climate action. It's really the most upstream solution, fixing the problem as the pinnacle -- removing the biggest free lunch in the history of our species. A carbon fee, if rebated propertly to households, would trigger countless downstream economic, social and environmental solutions. http://hamra.net/ccl/pricecarbon.htm
Malcolm Potts MD, PhDSeptember 25, 2016 1:01 am
What makes the possibility of climate wars in the Sahel especially worrying is that the population is the fastest growing in the word (www.oasisinitiative.org ). Domestic governments and the international community must invest in women's education, voluntary family planning and preparing agriculture for new challenges before it is too late.
CRSeptember 24, 2016 10:02 pm
So, we elect her (do any of you prefer Trump, really? What will our climate look like then?) and we hound her endlessly on climate change - we surround the White House day and night if necessary. Politics, and life, are hard and ugly. We work with what we have. Just ask a generation of civil rights activists.
Sid AbmaSeptember 24, 2016 1:25 am
If everyone would follow the challenge from the oil giants, I believe we would see a lot of progress in CO2 reduction around the world.
erschroedingerSeptember 23, 2016 7:05 pm
You're being absurd. Tens of thousands of scientists the world over agree on this.
JamesWimberleySeptember 23, 2016 9:29 am
Hopes of getting ratifications by October 7 to cover the remaining 7% emissions needed for entry into force are receding. That's the deadline for entry into force before COP-22 in Morocco in November. This would have allowed COP-22 to act as the first formal meeting of the Paris Agreement parties, and set up the working machinery. It's not a disaster, as the same people meet all the time under different labels and can do most of the work informally, to be rubber-stamped by COP-23 next year. It's still a missed opportunity.
FMNSeptember 23, 2016 3:10 am
It is laughable that "scientists from Harvard and Columbia universities in the US" were reduced to mere gossipers who speculate on important stats like deaths, that's actually can be physically verified. This 100,300+ deaths claim was rubbished by officials from Health Ministries who have access to police reports and death certificates and only confirmed 19 deaths in Indonesia, 0 in Malaysia and 0 in Singapore. That's outrageous -5,278% value for Mean Percentage Error (MPE) calculation!
nerodenSeptember 23, 2016 12:37 am
Fossil fuel companies receive massive subsidies in the form of huge tax breaks, while renewable companies actually have to pay their taxes: https://twitter.com/KarlMathiesen/status/778023058149822464/photo/1 On top of this, fossil fuel companies get sweetheart deals to extract fossil fuels from public lands for WAY less than the market rate. Surely you agree that at least we should put the rights to extract fossil fuels from public lands up for bid and get the market rate for them? 'Cause we don't right now.
nerodenSeptember 23, 2016 12:34 am
Actually, yes, everything in the science and observations suggests an acceleration in the massive changes to the climate. It's so proven that a *comic strip* can explain it. http://xkcd.com/1732/ Flagged for flat-out lying.
violetmoonSeptember 22, 2016 10:56 pm
I never knew Sanders conceded. When? She may have "won" but he never conceded. Warren REFUSED to run. So, it now starts where Clinton is backpedaling on all items she tried to use from Sanders. I guess four more years of stagnation is still better than a nuke war in the first six months of the idiots Presidency. But, I never believed she was going to do one single thing that Sanders stood for. She is bought and paid for by corporations and they will decide what she will do. We need a nut case to do away with both forerunner so we can have a level playing field and elect someone worthy to be President.
JamesWimberleySeptember 22, 2016 6:01 pm
You are adding fuel to a ludicrous refusal by some young Democrats to recognize Clinton's very real merits on climate change. Her electoral strategy is correct: focus on the issues that worry undecided voters - national, personal and financial security. She is not banging the drum on Alzheimer's either, on which she has a detailed and pathbreaking policy. If the press bother to introduce a question on the "marginal green hobby issue" of climate change into the debates, we may see some fireworks. Clinton is miles better than the chattering class on this.
Russ BrownSeptember 22, 2016 3:13 pm
GISS-NASA database: +1.3 degrees C for Jan-Aug 2016 +1.5 degrees C could occur within the next few years.
JamesWimberleySeptember 22, 2016 1:06 am
I suggest the IPCC is missing a trick by not planning a specific chapter on sequestration. Rolling it up with mitigation muddles the optics. To me, mitigation is about getting to zero net emissions. The issue with 1.5 deg C is that we will certainly overshoot the carbon concentration compatible with it, so any pathway involves massive sequestration, on the multi-gigatonne scale of current emissions. In fact they could write the conclusion for policymakers already: "We don't know how to do this. Finding out is a crash priority."
JamesWimberleySeptember 21, 2016 5:59 pm
Actually 31 countries ratified today (UNTC website). The 13 must just be those that showed up in New York for the photo-op. But it wasn't the same without Kerry's granddaughter.
tadchemSeptember 21, 2016 2:13 pm
Donald Trump does not even hold an elected office. He is not a policy-maker or able to act in any official capacity. He is a private citizen, albeit one with a widely heard voice. He does think differently, and his words can lead others to rethink their own ideas. Any actions or decisions hinging on Trump's words are the full responsibility of those who make those decisions and take those actions.
Farmer DaveSeptember 21, 2016 2:24 am
This is good news. Carbon Tracker have been doing a great job getting the unburnable carbon issue onto the finance agenda, but clearly the discussion is only just starting in the US.
Karen OrlandoSeptember 21, 2016 2:11 am
One has to wonder why the "journalist" linked to an article about Jill stein being charged for what one could call "guerilla marketing" for her campaign in the form of spray painting a campaign message on some construction equipment and then instead chose to say Stein was charged for "participating in a protest" against Dakota pipeline. What was she charged with? It wasn't protesting right?
JamesWimberleySeptember 20, 2016 9:06 pm
"Without US leadership (and with the EU still lacking the coordination required to even join the Agreement it was instrumental in creating), none of the countries in the developing world – where the majority of emission reductions must be secured – will feel under any responsibility to make the cuts required." Only an American could write this. China for one has quite clearly decided that massive decarbonisation is essential for future growth and probably the survival of the régime. The transition costs most countries nothing net in cash terms, and has huge GDP benefits if you add in health costs. That's before you look at adaptation costs and disasters. Countries reached that assessment before Paris; they signed up because it was in their national interest to do so, not because of pressure from John Kerry or admiration of his hairdo. The delay in EU ratification is a prestige own goal inflicted by Poland, but it's just a delay. I predict the other EU countries will call Poland's bluff and threaten to ratify without it in November. A Trump Presidency would be a disaster on many levels. US withdrawal would severely damage the Agreement, make it impossible (by withdrawing finance) for the poorest countries to reach their goals, and freeze the second-stage work to harden the 1.5 degree target. But US emissions would not rise, US coal would not recover, wind and solar and electric cars would still boom. The transition cannot now be stopped. BTW, 158 GW of coal-fed generation was lopped off the global project pipeline in the first six months of 2016. The people who decided this did not dither, waiting dutifully for the global hegemon to decide whether it wants a lunatic or a normal politician as its leader. They took the Paris Agreement as the likely indicator of global policy, and went ahead.
JamesWimberleySeptember 20, 2016 8:47 pm
Stein is at 3%-4% in national polls, Johnson at 10%. Clinton is not "haemorrhaging" voters to Stein. Johnson is a much bigger worry, and to the extent Democrats (ex- Bernie bros?) are thinking of him, it's not because of climate but because they buy the corruption myth and because she's a post-menopausal woman. Voting for Stein in a swing state is voting for Trump, see Nader. (If you live in Marin County, go ahead.) Stop fussing. Clinton is sound on climate, Trump is out to lunch. Vote and work for Clinton.
Charlotte ScotSeptember 20, 2016 7:05 pm
How can she speak about climate change when she supports fracking? Bernie's "endorsement" let her off the hook. According to Fortune, she has raised twice as much money from the oil and gas industry as Donald Trump. #WHO'StheRepublican?
tadchemSeptember 20, 2016 6:26 pm
$7-$9 per watt, 10 watts per 1 square foot panel means $70-$90 per panel. Half a billion panels would cost $35-$45 billion. One hundred panels would power a single home with 1 kilowatt - on sunny days. Only 5 million US homes would benefit from this; mostly the top 1% of income could afford it. Does the manufacturing capability even exist to reach that figure in a reasonable amount of time? Can the demand for the necessary rare semiconductor materials be met?
JamesWimberleySeptember 20, 2016 9:46 am
China and the USA are setting an example with this exercise. It's a good portent for the multilateral peer review built into the Paris Agreement. That will take some time to get going, but nothing stops pairs or groups of countries from starting earlier between themselves. The idea is not so much as to generate conventional external diplomatic pressure as to hearten and give leverage to reformers within the reviewed country's élite.
Evan Jones IISeptember 20, 2016 2:09 am
Political? Nahh...more like corporate....Exxon-Mobile is on board with the IPCC along with a long list of special interest fossil fuel groups. That's why their reports are all watered down to the lowest possible outlook.
Evan Jones IISeptember 19, 2016 10:30 am
This ain't political clown 1751 - 9 million tonnes of anthropogenic CO2 emissions per annum 2013 - 36 billion tonnes of anthropogenic CO2 emissions per annum a 400,000% increase http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/ndp0... BTW - over that time span we dumped 1.5 trillion tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere The current CO2 levels are 400 ppm. The EPA graph does not get close to that. The last time atmospheric CO2 was at 400 parts per million was during the ancient Pliocene Era, three to five million years ago, and humans didn’t exist. - Global average temperatures were 3 to 4 degrees C warmer than today (5.4 to 7.2 degrees F). - Polar temperatures were as much as 10 degrees C warmer than today (18 degrees F). - The Arctic was ice free. - Sea level was between five and 40 meters higher (16 to 130 feet) than today. - Coral reefs suffered mass die-offs. “The extreme speed at which carbon dioxide concentrations are increasing is unprecedented. An increase of 10 parts per million might have needed 1,000 years or more to come to pass during ancient climate change events. Now the planet is poised to reach the 1,000 ppm level in only 100 years if emissions trajectories remain at their present level.”
jfreed27September 17, 2016 3:57 pm
I love Scotland.
Tony PeartSeptember 17, 2016 1:51 am
You left out stupid but,yes that is correct
Tony PeartSeptember 17, 2016 1:50 am
Shows what you learned .first the sun heats the earth which then radiates back out as infra-red so in what picky point is she wrong ,clever dick ? Science education is big at your house?
eddieoSeptember 16, 2016 5:46 pm
A round trip between New York and Paris is the equivalent to one years carbon allowance (and a cruise ship mile is three times that of a Boing 777). In light of this, vacations are starting to look like a crime against humanity and the planet.
WillSeptember 16, 2016 1:13 pm
Caveats and opaque offsets undermine ambition and delays CO2 emission reduction efforts. An immediate (2016) introduction of a low carbon tax ($5 - $10/ton CO2) on aviation fuels by some nations will kick-start lagging global efforts for reducing aviation CO2 emissions, whilst keeping the increased costs to commuters low and reasonable.
JamesWimberleySeptember 16, 2016 10:48 am
"Many Scots live in rural areas and depend on their cars to travel long distances." Scotland's population is incredibly concentrated in the narrow central belt from Edinburgh to Glasgow. Perhaps the sparsely populated Highlands exercise an imaginative pull, as the West does to Americans. I need to be able to drive to John O'Groats, even though I will only go there once in my life.
JamesWimberleySeptember 16, 2016 10:41 am
One under-recognised advantage of evs is that they are not only largely charged overnight using off-peak electricity (today's technology), but that it is not very difficult to make the charging flexible in response to grid conditions. Many utilities are working on this, for example in California. In this way evs will become an ideal match to the intermittency of wind power. It is a mistake to use the mean carbon intensity of grid electricity, including daytime peaks met from gas, to estimate the carbon footprint of evs - there is already a gap.
JamesWimberleySeptember 16, 2016 10:31 am
27 plus 20 makes 57, not 50. That's over the 55 state bar. No news on the 55% emissions.
M​a​r​k S​h​o​r​eSeptember 15, 2016 8:47 pm
Poland is the largest recipient of EU transfer payments and its citizens are among the most numerous beneficiaries of EU labour mobility laws. Countries leading the way on renewables and low-carbon energy such as Germany, France, Spain and Portugal should start using their political weight and stop pandering to the rearguard. And Germany should consider how its political support of coal and lignite mining and power generation, largely but not all in the east of the country, is inconsistent with and undermines its Energiewende. AGW deniers don't have much these days, but they can spot an own goal when they see one.
Dave ShishkoffSeptember 14, 2016 11:00 pm
Interesting stuff, question for the author tho: how recently had you completed the 8 marathon runs in 8 days? That sort of activity would use up a LOT of energy, including the fat around your organs. It seems to me that if the running was recent, and you aren't maintaining that activity, you began in a depleted state and would have gained more fat around your organs no matter what you were eating, so this isn't really a very useful 'experiment'. You should have 'normalized' your weight first. You also aren't clear 'how much' weight was gained around organs in the Uppsala experiment - 'more' could be anything. Also, you indicate your bodyfat before was 4.6% and finished at 7.4% - of course, you were eating 3 extra muffins a day (an extra 750 calories). It should be NO surprise that you gained weight inflating your diet that much..it wouldn't matter what you were eating, your weight would go up if you ate that much more of anything, from apples to apple fritters. Should come as no surprise eating an exceptional amount of food results in weight gain. I don't mean to make an excuse for palm oil, and agree there's a lot to be concerned about and should be avoided if coming from many parts of the world, but would appreciate a more honest discussion around the health concerns - there's enough to be concerned about without piling rubbish into the discussion.
JamesWimberleySeptember 14, 2016 8:58 pm
It's time for the countries that are serious about climate change, plus the Commission and the European Parliament, to stop giving in to blackmail by Poland and other stonewallers. There is no rule that al l members must ratify together, it just looks better - but applying the rule in the current circumstances just makes the EU look worse. What they should do is say that a critical mass of member states will ratify together, with the EU, on a certain date before the end of November. Poland would complain bitterly but cave in and join, to avoid public humiliation. BTW, Brazil has not yet deposited its instrument of ratification, according to the UN Treaty Section website, as of 14 September 22h Paris time. I am getting suspicious about the long delay since the Brazilian Senate voted for approval on 10 August. Domestic manoeuvres to water down the final NDC?
ilma630September 14, 2016 12:39 pm
"IPCC must retain independence from political process"!!! Don't make me laugh. The IPCC *IS* a political process. To be independent of it would mean completely abolishing itself, which actually would be far more beneficial.
JamesWimberleySeptember 14, 2016 11:54 am
The EU should play hardball on this. Absent a global carbon tax or equivalent, it should threaten to impose steep port charges on ships arriving from countries not taking action. It probably has to be origin, not registration, because of flags of convenience. But the flags-of-convenience countries are small and can be bullied into cooperation. BAU is not an option.
JamesWimberleySeptember 14, 2016 11:27 am
Good points. Are the banks listening? A minor quibble: in the USA at least, gas peaker plants are built with expected load factors under 10%. They are much less efficient than the big combined-cycle gas plants designed for baseload, but also much cheaper.
JamesWimberleySeptember 14, 2016 11:22 am
This should happen quickly. Farmers are conservative, but water usually costs money and transplanting takes more labour. As with the Green Revolution, once farmers have seen the advantages on test plots with their own eyes, they are quick to change.
John Saint-SmithSeptember 14, 2016 7:18 am
Actually she was wrong. It doesn't work like that! You need infra-red, not 'sunlight'. The wavelengths of visible light pass straight through CO2 without being absorbed. The unique feature of greenhouse gases is that unlike oxygen and nitrogen, they absorb in the infra-red.
Hypocrite BusterSeptember 14, 2016 6:41 am
No one forces nobody to eat palm oil above the daily recommended limit. While this article is busy demonising palm oil, it overlooks the the fact that what you eat is completely personal choices, hence lifestyle and exercise in the end decides one's fat and obesity. Can the author enlighten the readers why men (aged 16+) in palm oil producing countries like Indonesia has much lower obesity rates of 3% than US 35%, UK 27%, FR 16%, etc? despite Indonesia being the world's biggest producer of palm oil? Reference: worldobesity.org
ParveezSeptember 14, 2016 2:52 am
People don't just eat muffin daily, people take other foods at lunch, tea breaks and dinner as well other drinks... How could one conclude taking 3 muffin daily could results in such changes when no body know what he being eating besides muffin.? Do you measure the sugar content in the muffin? These three muffins are eaten in additional to his normal diet. This article is a real bias without any scientific justification. Make a scientific studies with proper controls and publish in a reputable journal and than tell the world. Not doing a bias study at home and telling the world... Should remove this article from here
normanSeptember 14, 2016 2:48 am
Michael Dorgan, I wonder what were the other stuff that you ate as part of your routine diet (besides the muffin). You should then also compare this diet with your group and also those of the sunflower group. Unless both groups have similar diets and lifestyle, then only this piece of information is wothwhile. Other wise, this data is not credible to be published or highlighted.
otcasmdrSeptember 13, 2016 9:23 pm
“It is possible that the human race could become extinct but it is not inevitable. I think it is almost certain that a disaster, such as nuclear war or global warming will befall the earth within a thousand years.” I agree Steve. But I was thinking more like 900 years but a millenia..yea, you're smarter thän I.
Bruce ParkerSeptember 13, 2016 1:46 pm
We’re already at 1.1°C, with an additional 0.5°C increase masked by aerosols from burning fossil fuels and another 0.4°C “in the pipeline” from the current energy imbalance. And then there is the additional warming that will come both from future fossil fuel emissions and from global warming feedbacks. So what is the point of doing a 1.5°C study when the costs of capturing and sequestrating enough CO2 to meet that goal are almost certainly more than we can afford?
JamesWimberleySeptember 13, 2016 10:22 am
Christiana Figueres remains our heroine. Her achievement - not hers alone, but she catalysed and represented it - in securing the epochal Paris Agreement is already greater than that of most UN Secretaries-General. I'm sure she will find another avenue for her great talents combined with a great heart.
ChrisSeptember 13, 2016 3:16 am
I feel the coal is dead argument is delusional at best, if not completely insane. Look at what's happening in South Australia where energy costs are at least double the cost of neighbouring states. This deters business. The idea that companies who have large reserves of cheap energy are going to move to high cost options and provide an advantage back to competitive economies is indeed deluded. Coal has been dead before but comes back in accordance to the commodity cycle, get over it
Arcanum Arcanorum (虚空)September 12, 2016 11:06 pm
Sacrifices have to be made to ensure the long-term survival and flourishing of human civilization. Hate to say, but there will have to be an implosion of the fossil fuel industry if we're going to keep global warming manageable enough to survive as a species. It's a hard truth. But the effects of unmitigated global warming would render countries like Saudi Arabia uninhabitable anyway. So, incur some economic losses, or destine the human race to only survive in pockets of habitable environment in the far reaches of the Arctic? Because that's the effect of 4C+ global warming.
JamesWimberleySeptember 12, 2016 7:00 pm
The continued delay in ratification is beginning to suggest something other than bureaucratic incompetence is at work. Are rancher lobbyists trying to water down Brazil's INDC?
JamesWimberleySeptember 12, 2016 6:57 pm
European policymaker reads the IPCC report. 1: Winners from aggressive mitigation: your country; poor countries; green tech shareholders. 2. Losers: Saudi Arabia, Russia, oil company shareholders. "What's the problem?"
Tyger TygerSeptember 12, 2016 9:35 am
Hmm. Won't go down well with your typical denier: an older, white, conservative-leaning male.
Jayebird58September 10, 2016 10:26 pm
Look at all the Chemtrails in the photo above! No, nothing to see here folks, move along!
Jayebird58September 10, 2016 10:17 pm
HAARP?
Jaime SaldarriagaSeptember 9, 2016 9:47 pm
In reading the article I would suggest to do your own discernment between climate and climate change.
Peter TierneySeptember 9, 2016 9:24 pm
Have you considered turning the incentive around and giving a schilling credit for a valid data reading?
Allan BeggSeptember 9, 2016 6:21 am
People get ready! People on mass need now to lobby / petition / demonstrate for governments to shut down the biggest carbon emitters ( coal and oil)... At the same time inject capital incentives to those private sector companies who achieve carbon reduction benchmarks to help them transform into carbon neutral renewable energy development. We know the problem; we know solutions to the problem...the time for " talk" has long past ...as time itself marches on at our peril. Nuclear us not the answer! Every nuclear power station is a potential military or terrorist target ( twin towers). Nuclear power stations co$t Billion$ to decontaminate at the end of their lifetime even if nothing goes wrong. The existance of spent uranium is a transport threat and can be used for dirty bombs. Battery technology has advanced in many ways and their needs commercialisation of this. The same can be said for solar salt furnaces and solar cells. This technology creates a new wave in employment and profit while improving the health of our environment and reducing the risk of "fully awakening methane monster " and rhe exponential heating to the planet this would bring... We are already at the beginning of an exponential heating phase ( Google and listen / see the " doomsday graph 2020 "... Time will soon lead us to the point of no containment of future heating ...,it is that serious.
IndianaRaySeptember 9, 2016 4:13 am
That may be your religion but its not mine. Nothing in the science or the observations suggests an acceleration or discontinuity to the drift of negligible changes in the climate.
JamesWimberleySeptember 8, 2016 12:16 pm
How exactly can Australian coal from Galilee be less polluting than coal elsewhere? It's like saying that Australian arsenic is better for you than Russian arsenic. Fortunately for the world, Adani's legal victory is Pyrrhic. The mine won't be built because it would lose money, and the banks have walked away. The prospective market, India, is drying up: the policy is to eliminate imports. It's entirely realistic as domestic coal stocks in India are increasing as demand slows.
James DanielSeptember 8, 2016 8:09 am
Great that the Forest Landscape Restoration program is playing a vital role in averting these trends with up to 21 countries showing a commitment to restore up to 63.5 million hectares!! Kenya is on the move to set standard for other SSA counterparts.
neubarthSeptember 8, 2016 2:55 am
Boy is this article full of false information! Methane readings in Barrow, Alaska consistently show that the peak season for Methane increase is Winter and there is a slowdown in Summer. Satellites have pointed to the source of the release of most of the Arctic Methane and it is from the Arctic Ocean, not from the land. Thought there is some methane release from land it is far smaller than the Arctic Ocean sea floor release.
Quiet_ThinkSeptember 8, 2016 12:02 am
Please, tell me. The only numbers are existing ones with solar more expensive, but they are prices, not costs.... in case you didn't notice the difference.
NBSeptember 7, 2016 3:02 pm
'Carbon Bomb', 'same carbon output as France' etc... Nonsense statements. The World needs power, in whatever format it comes. There is demand. Galilee coal and Australian regulations are better for the environment than those elsewhere. Get your head out of your ass Sophie.
JamesWimberleySeptember 7, 2016 10:26 am
Great news. The discussion on India especially understates the slowdown in demand for electricity. It's true that GDP growth is slowing in both China and India, but demand is slowing faster, that is the electricity intensity of GDP is falling. This follows the experience of OECD countries, where electricity demand has been flat for five years. The technology improvements that create greater efficiency are universally available: LED lighting, load-following pumps and motors, smarter controls as in TV standby and a/c building management, better insulation for buildings and fridges, and so on. Add the structural shift away from heavy industry to services and consumer goods, and it is certain the trend will continue. Probably faster than planners anticipate, so the coal glut will turn into a financial disaster sooner rather than later.
Mark RichardsonSeptember 6, 2016 10:07 pm
What is the point of commenting on this site as you won't approve any comment not in-favor of continued fossil fuel use?
Mark RichardsonSeptember 6, 2016 10:05 pm
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2015/NEW070215A.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Mark RichardsonSeptember 6, 2016 10:01 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/18/fossil-fuel-companies-getting-10m-a-minute-in-subsidies-says-imf
Mark RichardsonSeptember 6, 2016 9:59 pm
In 2015 in an exhaustive study the IMF put annual global fossil fuel industry subsidies at $5.3 Trillion. If you have a problem with their assessment, done by senior economists, perhaps you should argue why they are wrong with them?
Mark RichardsonSeptember 6, 2016 9:56 pm
If you believe that all economically-recoverable fossil fuel reserves on our planet must be extracted and burned, you are guilty of sentencing your kids and mine to an unlivable planet as soon as 2035-2050.
JamesWimberleySeptember 6, 2016 4:24 pm
Why are the other member states allowing themselves to be blackmailed by Polish reactionaries over ratifying the Paris Agreement? There is no legal requirement for the EU and all its member states to ratify simultaneously; it's a political choice, to make the EU look more united than it is. The others should just set a date certain when the EU and a critical mass of its members will ratify together. My guess is the Polish government would fold and join in to avoid international obloquy.
TrakarSeptember 6, 2016 4:13 pm
"The decline in American coal consumption is speeding up." JamesWimberley True, but emissions from NG recovery and use are currently greater than US coal emissions and accelerating. Despite all the feel-good greenwashing of the latest global climate agreements, both methane and CO2 emissions are skyrocketing globally. Coal that isn't being burned in the US or China is being shipped to India and throughout the third world which is rushing at break-neck speed to develop/exploit and use (or sell) their own coal, gas and oil reserves ahead of internal and external regulation and taxation. Paris really hasn't changed most projections because there have been no substantive national or global changes implemented in accord with the Paris agreement. Many studies I've been looking at seem to indicate that on the current path (no reason to consider to a new path until actions indicate that there is a new path being followed), 1.5C has already been exceeded (if not completely, practically), and lacking a significant carbon tax or other remediation, 2.0C will most likely be exceeded circa 2020-2030, and 3.0C is very likely to be exceeded circa 2050-2060.
Albert StienstraSeptember 6, 2016 12:24 pm
There are a lot of taxes on fossil fuels, payable by fossil fuel companies as well as by consumers. Renewable companies pay no taxes on their intermittent and unreliable "product", on the contrary, they continue to get subsidies.
JamesWimberleySeptember 6, 2016 12:23 pm
Yes. The archetypal case supporting Keohane's approach is just war. War is an evil. It involves the deliberate killing and maiming of the adversary's military personnel, very few of whom bear any personal responsibility for the state behaviour that triggered the conflict. It involves the unintended killing and maiming of enemy civilians. It involves the acceptance of military and sometimes civilian casualties on one's own side. It often involves the reduction of civil liberties on claimed grounds of military necessity, and a coarsening of public discourse. For all that, most of us would say that on occasions a just war is the lesser evil. How much lesser is the evil of accepting a second-best international agreement like the Paris accord? To quote Sir Robert Watson-Watt, the key scientist responsible for the war-winning development of radar in the air defence of Britain in the 1930s: "second best tomorrow."
Mr FebruarySeptember 6, 2016 8:34 am
As a Kiwi I am afraid to report that the New Zealand Government intends to meet its weak target with more creative accounting. NZ will carry forward 85.7 million 'surplus' units from the Kyoto Protocol first commitment period to 2020 to 2030. If that's not enough fake currency to cover our growing unregulated agricultural emissions, the Government is searching for more forest carbon loopholes to count between 2020 and 2030. Not that any adjustment is ever made to the 1990 baseline, which is remains as GHG emissions excluding landuse, landuse change and forestry.
IndianaRaySeptember 6, 2016 1:03 am
If you believe 75% of the recoverable fossil fuel on earth will not ever be burned, you are a fool.
douglas mccormackSeptember 5, 2016 9:50 pm
What total nonsense, fossil fuels are not subsidised, they are the lifeblood of a modern economy giving wealth and prosperity to the developed economies and providing the affordable energy for undeveloped economies to grow! What will risk this increased prosperity and the pulling of the poor out of poverty is the stupid proposal to restrict the exploitation and consumption of cheap fossil fuels!
CRSeptember 5, 2016 7:42 pm
Hey, I know guys like that, some with beer bellies who refuse to believe their gut is linked to heart disease. Another "inconvenient truth" and good luck with that. Denial is a way of life in America, where we have the god-given right to destroy everything in sight (including ourselves) in pursuit of power, money and pleasure. Yet, the US "deniers" tend to be the same old white guy (OWG) crowd. Like Trump and the Tea Party they will soon disappear into the dustbin of history. Question is, how much damage will we allow them to do in the meantime? Since unfortunately the OWG's still have most of the money and thus power in the US, the rest of us have to get even more active, louder and demand action. The tide is turning, but we're running out of time.
GetRealSeptember 5, 2016 7:10 pm
The "environmental groups" are push-overs. This is much too late, and too little. Growth in air travel and air freight should be capped immediately, not in 2020 - the air industry has stalled this off for years already. And offsets should not be part of the so-called solution.
JamesWimberleySeptember 5, 2016 4:20 pm
"2C is no longer a likely achievable goal.." You are probably relying on the analyses of the INDCs filed before the December COP21 in Paris, which are SFIK generally being repeated unchanged in the final NDCs deposited on ratification. Neither China nor the USA mentioned any tightening of their NDCs. But these are a gross overestimate. China's promise is to peak emissions "by 2030 and if possible before". But its coal consumption has fallen for two straight years, and many observers think emissions will - on current policies - peak by 2020. Some think they have already done so. The decline in American coal consumption is speeding up. India's INDC accepted no emissions limit at all, and policy at the time was for a massive growth in coal burning. But demand is slowing, coal stocks are piling up, and Coal India has (as reported here) been told to reduce its growth in output to follow demand. If you make prudent corrections to the INDCs just for these three countries, the gap between current policies and 2 degrees of warming has narrowed a great deal. The target we are certain to overshoot is 1.5 degrees. That will need a massive, multigigatonne investment in carbon sequestration, for which we don't even have the technologies apart from reafforestation. It would need a carbon tax to fund. Or simply tell the fossil fuel producers : extract as much carbon as you like - and bury the equivalent of every single tonne.
JamesWimberleySeptember 5, 2016 4:03 pm
A curate's egg as expected. (Old Punch cartoon: Hostess. "How was your egg, Mr. Binks?" Nervous young curate: "Good in parts, Ma'am.") The EU's dithering is explained if not justified by foot-dragging from Poland, with a right-wing government relying on an electorate emotionally and economically wedded to coal. India's makes no sense to me. It lost the argument in Paris to lard the text with language that would have placed all the responsibility for cutting emissions on rich countries, as in the failed Kyoto Protocol. The Paris Agreement abandons the "climate justice, you first" rhetoric for "all in the same boat, from each according to his ability". But India approved the text and has signed it. Delay in ratification simply means that as a non-Party India will have less chance of getting a seat on the key committees that draw up rules of procedure and a work programme. Don't tell me Modi could not get the domestic paperwork okayed in a week if he wanted to. There is some obscure political infighting going on. BTW, Brazil's senate approved ratification on August 10 or thereabouts. The Foreign Ministry still has not deposited its instrument of ratification at the UN in New York. I put this down to the laziness and incompetence of a senior bureaucracy filled on the spoils system rather than open competition on merit.
notawackobirdSeptember 5, 2016 10:03 am
Curious that you missed the actual numbers in the report.
TerrySeptember 4, 2016 7:12 pm
He is already by getting educated on the subject, unlike most anthropogenic climate change deniers.
TerrySeptember 4, 2016 7:09 pm
Talk about making money- most of the miniscule percentage of scientists who state anthropogenic climate change does not exist are funded by fossil fuel industries. Conflict of interest anyone? Money talks, even if it means selling your soul.
mousamSeptember 4, 2016 5:13 pm
What happened? Did the insurers present this urgent request to the G20? And the response?
TrakarSeptember 4, 2016 6:57 am
Words that are not supported by substantive actions to remediate the problem and adapt to the changes already in the pipeline and occurring,...are merely another broken promise. Even 2C is no longer a likely achievable goal, and projecting from the current rates, 3C will likely be exceeded within the next 3-4 decades.
JamesWimberleySeptember 2, 2016 6:24 pm
They never give up, do they? How long would a government minister last who accepted the plea for "fast-track licensing" and "reduced regulation"? This is shorthand for lowering safety standards in the face of the industry's track record of occasional but enormous disasters.
JamesWimberleySeptember 2, 2016 6:17 pm
The average capacity factor of wind turbines in the UK over 2007-2012 was 27.5% (government data reported by Wikipedia). The trend is up, from design improvements, better maintenance and meteorology. In Germany, also from the retirement of some badly designed early turbines. Current projects are typically around 40% CF onshore, more offshore. Your factoid "10% of requirement" is meaningless b/s. Developers and grid managers are well aware of the expected capacity factors before they start construction. Your "90 active shalegas wellheads" has similar credibility. Fracked wells have very short lifetimes, so constant drilling of new wells, and injection of the fracking water and chemicals, is needed to maintain output, even if the wellhead is shared. As for "conspicuously failing to raise the surface temperature", words fail me.
wishi_dSeptember 2, 2016 3:53 pm
Bill Marshall: How would eliminating subsidies cause the price to crash? With the subsidies, oil company overhead is effectively reduced—they pay little or nothing in taxes, the government helps foot the bill for finding and developing new sources, it negotiates oil treaties, and so on. Are you saying that without the government umbilicus to help sustain their profits that oil companies will happily take a pay cut by dropping prices? Doubtful. So, please explain the economics behind your idea that removing subsidies will cause oil prices to crash.
JamesWimberleySeptember 2, 2016 11:09 am
Any numbers on construction of new coal generating plants in India? The UMPP megaproject programme (link) is stalled, as the private-sector corporations who would actually build the the multi-gigawatt behemoths sit on their hands and wait for demand to materialise. But I understand that smaller new plants are still being opened. The combination of slow growth in overall electricity demand, from efficiency improvements in everything from LED lights to air-conditioners to industrial pumps - improvements that are far from over - and rapid deployment of renewables is bad news for coal developers, which means good news for everybody else. For solar especially creams off the most profitable midday load, lowering capacity factors and wholesale prices. Older coal plants can't ramp on and off easily, and in Germany often have to sell output at a loss. New plants can be built to ramp, but the economics are less and less attractive. This is the German death spiral, which has led generators to petition the government to allow massive closures, or pay subsidies to keep the coal plants for security. It can't happen too soon in India as well.
FMNSeptember 2, 2016 5:12 am
Allegations without court conviction == paid sensationalism. 'No Deforestation' pact is illegal and overstepped nation's sovereign laws, however HCS+ is the better option. Clearing land for agriculture will never stop in respond to world's growing population, providing answers to food and energy security. Unless tree kangeroos can provide both meat and biofuel, Mighty and Greenpeace need to start offering viable solutions.
Allan BarrSeptember 1, 2016 6:04 pm
I believe your estimates are way too low. Numbers from 1.9 trillion to 5.5 trillion, depending upon how one estimates come to mind. In addition its likely we have already locked in 8 to 12 C, within a decade I suspect. We lost any carbon budget once we passed thru 280 ppm CO2. Once arctic sea ice is gone, due to loss of albido we can expect a doubling of excess retained energy, from 1.1 petawatts to 2.2, along with additional water vapour about 7% per every 1 C increase global temps and ever increasing CH4 from these waters its clear we are now in a global emergency. https://www.facebook.com/groups/Ilovelife2/
WillSeptember 1, 2016 5:22 pm
Reforestation means growing new trees which need watering, a lot of fertilizers and care (weeding), plus lots of time! With the Arctic sea-ice disappearing fast and a climate tipping point possible, there isn't much time left for reforestation. Deforestation should be banned by the UN Security Council. Fertilizing established standing forests around the globe aerially or with fertilizer tablets containing all major and trace elements at a cost of $3 - $4 a hectare will boost plant photosynthesis dramatically in forests and rangelands, compared to zero fertilizer at present. Lowering CO2 rapidly this way will solve the immediate climate crisis within 5 - 10 years, giving time or renewable energies and transmission to be deployed globally by business and governments.
JamesWimberleySeptember 1, 2016 11:46 am
The continued drop in the cost of wind and solar electricity is worth mentioning in a roundup. Successful bids in auctions for utility solar have been made in Dubai and Chile at 3$c per kwh, far below anything new coal or gas can offer. Admittedly these countries have ideal insolation and the delivery dates are several years ahead, but there is no end in sight to the fall in prices. Solar panel manufacturers are bracing for another temporary glut and price drop next year, as China puts the brakes on. The finding of the last IPCC report that an energy transition would be a wash in unreconstructed GDP terms, with cash savings roughly equal to cash costs, is now obsolete: it's a massive net saving. That's before you start counting the health costs of air pollution, and expected damage from climate change itself, which the IPCC strangely left out.
JamesWimberleySeptember 1, 2016 11:35 am
“France’s reliance on nuclear is stifling the emergence of wind and solar .." This is silly, and betrays an unhealthy obsession of some green activists with dying nuclear technology. Like their old but defeated adversaries in the nuclear lobby they just can't let go. France represents a tiny share of the world markets for wind and solar equipment. Whether it runs down its ageing but low-carbon nuclear fleet fast or slowly can have no impact on the prices and economies of scale of wind and solar globally. Nor will it have any effect on France's carbon emissions. (Well, a faster switch would somewhat increase gas burning, pending the rollout of new pumped storage.) The argument is a non sequitur. The article indicates that green activists should be concentrating today on two policy changes: ending the construction of new coal generating plants, and ending subsidies and tax breaks for fossil fuels. Like St. Augustine, the leaders of the G20 have said "Lord, make me chaste, but not yet". But change is doable here, unlike the pipedream of a coordinated global carbon tax.
Leslie PiperAugust 31, 2016 7:07 pm
Come on, Billy...it's G.A.S.!!(you know, Give A Sh1t!) Our half of the world, the part we usually like to hang out in, like this very much. And it may spur our civilization to live up to the concept of civilization...for instance, I predict a boom in re-shooting crime thrillers, because there won't be ANY car chase scenes...!
mjp1800August 31, 2016 2:04 pm
The collapse will be temporary, as those subsidies are mainly tax breaks for exploration and recovery.
JamesWimberleyAugust 31, 2016 12:22 pm
The main benefit from better cookstoves is not cutting carbon emissions but better health. The WHO estimates (link) that 4.3 million premature deaths a year are caused by indoor air pollution, mainly from kerosene (used heavily for lighting) and biofuelled cookstoves. The number is similar to the worldwide deaths attributable to outdoor air pollution, from cars, trucks and coal power stations. Better wood or charcoal cookstoves would reduce emissions slightly from more efficiency. But it's wood anyway: which can be harvested sustainably, in a carbon-neutral way over time. Unsustainable wood harvesting has to be addressed by replanting policies, coppicing and the like. It looks a much more realistic objective to do this and upgrade the wood-burning stoves than to try to replace them with fancy solar stoves that don't work at night, or electric ones from high-powered solar panels plus batteries. Microsolar is excellent for replacing kerosene lighting. The step up from the widespread "LED lights plus phone charger" starter kit is to enough for a high-efficiency fridge and a TV; say 200 watts, a single standard-sized panel.
JamesWimberleyAugust 31, 2016 12:13 pm
It will look very different after the US, China and Brazil ratify, probably this week.
JamesWimberleyAugust 31, 2016 12:12 pm
The Marshall Islands played a key role in getting the aspirational 1.5 degree C target into the Paris Agreement. Kerry and Todd Stern behind the scenes? No doubt. It was still a major coup. They have real street cred here.
JamesWimberleyAugust 31, 2016 12:05 pm
It's a puzzle. This is a pretty competitive market among informed professional. You would expect more efficient ships to command higher charter rates. What is going on? Some possibilities: 1. The charterers are stupid. (Included for completeness, but it's very unlikely.). 2. Charter rates are at a floor set by a minimum return to the shipowners, below which they will mothball. 3. Fuel efficiency data are incomplete, not systematic, or simply not salient at the time charters are signed. 4. The decisions of charterers are dominated bu other ship characteristics like availability. 5. Small sample size, the data are too noisy for conclusions.
Bill MarshallAugust 31, 2016 8:45 am
so when these governments do this it will collapse the [rice of fossil fuels and poor countries with no emissions will buy the cheap oil and pollute worst than we ever will. There are 5 billion people living without the benefits of fossil fuels and Saudi Arabia has nothing else to sell since nobody needs sand. The third world doesn't care if we have to build sea walls in miami nor should they. they don't even have running water or toilets.
Lets_Think_AgainAugust 31, 2016 6:56 am
Finally, S&P showing signs of actually doing their job, as though they so spectacularly failed to do in the 2007-2008 meltdown of the banking system.
deeblesAugust 31, 2016 3:45 am
What do you base this on, when, for instance, 2015 was the hottest year on record, but the first half of 2016 was hotter still than the first half of 2015? http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/climate-trends-continue-to-break-records
deeblesAugust 31, 2016 3:36 am
Um... It really isn't: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/16/july-2016-was-worlds-hottest-month-since-records-began-says-nasa
PeterPuffinAugust 30, 2016 6:49 pm
It is always worth remembering that the Arctic ice free predictions in the 1990's were 2080 then it came down to 2050 and now we are here and right now.
PeterPuffinAugust 30, 2016 6:46 pm
"for folks with limited understanding"; you are right on the button there mate. What is utterly gob smacking is how limited your understanding of the last 150 years and the geological record is.................
ShaniAugust 30, 2016 2:06 pm
As usual, the only way for runaway climate change to get any credibility is to attach dollar signs.
John EnglartAugust 30, 2016 1:09 pm
Perhaps Cities and sub-national action should be included. There seems to be some positive progress being made at these levels.
Voice_of_ReasonAugust 29, 2016 10:01 pm
"Renewables have reached 19.1% of global energy consumption. Nearly half of that figure comes from burning wood or other biomass, typically in household cooking fires or stoves." So essentially, only 10% of energy consumption is from non-carbon emitting renewable energy sources.
JamesWimberleyAugust 29, 2016 12:50 pm
I like Figueres very much and she would make a good SG. Unfortunately for her, Bukova meets the desiderata of geographical rotation and track record, as well as being a woman.
entranceAugust 26, 2016 2:47 pm
The problem is that there are too many people on this earth. And the population continues to grow. That´s why we have a lot of problems, not just global warming. Not enough food, wars, global epidemics, and so on, and so on ... I am ready to help.
David DunnAugust 26, 2016 9:31 am
Plants already do this !! Why reinvent a wheel that has been adapted over millions of years ? would it not be best to concentrate our endeavours on how to make far more efficient use of all the resources we have on the planet and reduce our emissions of CO2 by huge amounts, also by reforestation and reversing desertification which is increasing at an alarming rates both in rural and urban areas,
Richard KleinAugust 25, 2016 9:13 am
It is striking to see the disconnect between the 11 "substantive issues" listed by Krug, and the "key questions" the report is expected to tackle. Answers to the key questions listed above will not address the substantive issues. These key questions require input from Working Group I; the substantive issues, on the other hand, require input from Working Groups II and III. Still, this is only the superficial disconnect. The actual disconnect is between developed countries wishing to frame the discourse on 1.5°C in terms of climate science, and developing countries who see it as being about the lack of ambition, the unwillingness to accept responsibility, the unavoidability of loss and damage, and the need for climate finance and technology transfer. A scientific assessment of these and other contentious policy issues is possible and necessary, but it would not require much of Working Group I's expertise.
TonyPrepAugust 25, 2016 8:23 am
“In 50 years we will have developed a better way of capturing CO2 instead of getting a tree and burning it. It is remarkably unimaginative,” added Allen.
Utter hubris.
EnjoyerAugust 25, 2016 2:52 am
For those who follow actual climate events, as opposed to predictions, the warming of recent years is giving way to cooling. Natural cycles. Warm, then cool, then warm..... It's all there in the geologic record. For folks with limited understanding of earth science, the past 150 years is all they relate to.
David OvertonAugust 24, 2016 4:56 pm
A recent survey by U Michigan shows that a majority of Americans believe there is solid evidence for climate change (http://closup.umich.edu/files/ieep-nsee-2016-spring-climate-belief.pdf). Climate scientists are even more strongly aligned, with a number of recent surveys showing over 95% have concluded that climate change is real and human activity is a major cause. That Trump continues to ignore this is concerning for the environment. But what is even more concerning is what it says about Trump's inability to process factual information. How can he be trusted to use sound judgment in other complex fields like economics and foreign relations, where facts are less clear and expert opinion is less consistent?
Jaime SaldarriagaAugust 24, 2016 4:42 pm
There is a need for a global Fossil Fuels Policy (FFP).
WillAugust 24, 2016 3:08 pm
July 2016 was 1.26C hotter than the 1880s averages (NASA, NOAA). A target of holding warming to 1.5C or well below 2C was agreed at the Paris Conference just 8 months ago, when average warming was 1.0 - 1.1C then (December 2015). Ecosystem changes (as for increased average global warming temperature or sea-ice extent in the Arctic) seldom follow a defined straight line for long; rather they usually tend to follow a more dangerous "S" curve, either in an upwards direction for warming or in a downwards direction for Arctic sea-ice extent with time. The September Arctic sea-ice extent (millions of square km) has been heading downwards steeply since 1996, and it should be no surprise then if it starts to curve downwards even more steeply in the near future, due to rapidly increasing global average temperatures as warned by NASA and NOAA.
GnomeCoachAugust 23, 2016 11:11 pm
I felt this was a good analysis of the risk involved. Still, the general trends, for this and dozens of other Anthropogenic Climate Disruption (ACD) effects should not be downplayed.
mountain dwellerAugust 23, 2016 6:22 pm
the problem Russia faces is sustainability and another daja vu if it continues the way its is going , NATO will respond and Russia will again be forced to spend what it can ill afford
Robin_GuenierAugust 23, 2016 12:50 pm
"Last December 195 countries agreed to limit global warming to well below 2C above pre industrial levels ..." I'm sorry, Ed, but that's not correct: https://ipccreport.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/cop-21-developing-countries-_-2.pdf The reference to 2ºC was an aspiration - very different from an agreement.
WillAugust 22, 2016 8:43 am
The Paris Agreement of United Nations will only be a success if we are able to remove excess CO2 from the atmosphere, stopping dangerous climate change in its tracks. Two viable options available to remove excess CO2 quickly are improving natural photosynthesis with trillions x trillions x trillions of leaves in forests, green vegetation and crops. Artificial photosynthesis turning CO2, sunshine and water into hydrocarbon fuels involves several complicated steps which would take at least two decades to deploy globally: time we do not have. Removing CO2 quickly with natural photosynthesis, combined with slowing emissions quickly by introducing carbon taxes, banning deforestation, stepping up renewable energy deployments, electric transport, efficient lighting in cities etc. will sharply curtail CO2 levels for safety within 5 - 10 years. For the first time in human history, humanity has a common enemy: global warming by CO2, methane, HFCs, nitrous oxide, causing deadly heatwaves, flooding etc. Unless we unite now to solve this threat, our civilizations will have to endure unbearable suffering before final extinction.
RogerAugust 21, 2016 7:10 am
What if alien intelligence says, "The solution to the problem is to reduce your population?" What then?
Dano2August 20, 2016 7:00 pm
I was disappointed in the responses to standard denialist talking points. Surely someone in the scientific community can do a better job addressing them directly? Best, D
JamesWimberleyAugust 20, 2016 2:49 pm
At best it keeps CO2 in a closed cycle. There is still too much of it. Reduction in emissions and sequestration are the priorities. Since the leading available strategies for mitigation involve replacing combustion with sustainable electricity, artificial photosynthesis competes with biofuels for what is likely to be a small residual market: aviation, shipping. earthmoving. Even that is uncertain: electric planes have flown and Norway has electric ferries.
JamesWimberleyAugust 20, 2016 2:40 pm
The next round of climate diplomacy will be focussed on the 1.5 degree target and the privileged sectors, aviation and shipping. It should be very uncomfortable for both.
JamesWimberleyAugust 20, 2016 2:35 pm
Baynes is behind the curve on electric aircraft. Airbus have flown, and plan to sell, a two-seater battery-powered trainer. They are working on a commuter plane design. The power density gap for long-haul airliners much be much less than the 15x he cites. The bigger mistake or bias is marginalising the astonishing progress of electric cars and their spectacular growth rate. With strong incentives, they are now over half the Norwegian new car market, and also booming in China. Tesla too over 300,000 advance orders and deposits from American customers for it next BEV, the mass-market Tesla 3. BYD sell 8,000 electric buses a year, mainly in China but the switch has begun in big non-Chinese cities like London. Following its Dieselgate scandal, VW has announced three new electric platforms. There's a race on.
JamesWimberleyAugust 20, 2016 2:21 pm
On the press gag, the journalists should refuse to cooperate. Finley should get lost.
JamesWimberleyAugust 20, 2016 2:04 pm
I trust that Kerry politely warned President Duterte than going all-in on coal not only won't get any financial support from the usual parastatal and multilateral export lenders, it will prejudice other forms and channels of aid and finance. Commercial bankers too are likely to eye investments in coal very critically - this has effectively already killed the Carmichael coal mine project in Australia. Coal plants face three risks: a future politically-driven tightening of emissions regulations, as in the USA; a creaming-off of their most profitable daytime loads by cheap renewable generators with zero marginal costs, as in Germany; and a collapse of the world coal export industry, which the Philippine market is too small to support by itself. China and India are moving rapidly to zero imports. Vietnam has stopped all new coal generation projects.
JamesWimberleyAugust 20, 2016 1:47 pm
Or vote for the candidate who has a chance of being elected and a programme for combatting climate change. A vote for Stein is in effect a vote for Trump.
Vincent PawlowskiAugust 20, 2016 4:56 am
The Paris Agreement will never be ratified. It may be a minor linguistic technicality, but it really confuses people in the US to use that word because that assumes an act of congress, which will NOT happen. Using the language in the agreement, countries will "deposit their respective instruments of ratification, acceptance, approval or accession, where appropriate"
Harry ClemensAugust 19, 2016 9:23 am
This is a nice article. I consider it contains a lot of valid points. There are many types of improved cookstoves. Whereas "improved" used to refer to improved efficiency (which means less firewood or charcoal consumption, hence less CO2 emissions if the firewood/ charcoal is from a non-renewable source), the word has been gradually replaced by clean cookstoves in communication. This sounds more appealing. But not all types are clean. Actually, most do not have a significant impact on household air pollution. Stove stacking is a big issue, most people cook more on more than one fire or burner. Most improved cookstoves only have one burner. The Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves is creating awareness of these issues, and systematically working to promote cleaner stoves and fuels. The author forgot to add biogas as a clean fuel. Hivos has used carbon finance to support the introduction of biogas in rural Cambodia and measured its impact on household air quality and human health. The report is available at www.hivoscarboncredits.org/cambodia (scroll to "Documents" at the bottom). Harry Clemens, Hivos
Clint CarrollAugust 19, 2016 12:17 am
The publically documented decline in health of the Great Barrier Reef (GBR) has led to its labelling, in media and academic literature, as a last chance tourism destination. That is, a place tourists travel to experience before it is gone. While the GBR has been labelled as such, no empirical evidence has identified that this is actually occurring! ---------------- Quote by: Annah Piggott-McKellar PhD candidate the University of Queensland and Karen McNamara Senior lecturer the University of Queensland, Australia.
cardiganAugust 18, 2016 11:22 pm
The Paris climate agreement will become international law by the end of 2016 if countries stick to the promises they have made. So far just 22 states, representing just 1.08% of global greenhouse emissions, have taken this step. Promises, promises.....
hedgedAugust 18, 2016 1:03 pm
China must sign and ratify for their people and future generations, getting off coal will not be easy but must be done for air quality, and global warming climatechange parisagreement still needs to be signed through ratified by many but its coming, push your goverments people.
gumdropAugust 17, 2016 11:26 am
How... could they possibly know whether from reliable data... what sunspots happened in the 1700s? Galileo with a telescope is not reliable data in comparison to how current solar activity data is gathered. In 200 years or so we can start talking about longterm solar activity patterns, using data from the 1700s is just guessing.
Robin_GuenierAugust 17, 2016 8:47 am
In December last year, 195 nations at the Paris climate summit promised a programme of action to contain greenhouse gas emissions and limit climate change.
No, they didn't: https://judithcurry.com/2016/08/16/cop21-developing-countries/#more-21999
DelluAugust 16, 2016 6:29 pm
What forum?? Hundreds are being slaughtered under a dictator government. WE don't want your forum. We want our freedom. They better shift it to sane country under a sane government.
Harry ClemensAugust 16, 2016 3:57 pm
There are a lot of valid points in this article. I just want to add that you forgot to add biogas as a clean fuel. We have used carbon finance to support the introduction of biogas in rural Cambodia and measured its impact on household air quality and human health. The report is available at www.hivoscarboncredits.org/cambodia (scroll to "Documents" at the bottom). Harry Clemens, Hivos
JamesWimberleyAugust 16, 2016 11:17 am
".. the decision can wait a decade ..... by which time the construction costs, electricity prices, reliability and practicality of natural gas and non-fossil fuel sources [i.e. wind, solar and nuclear] of electricity may have improved..." May? The learning curves for wind, solar, and nuclear are well attested. Nuclear is negative, but solar energy gets cheaper at about 10% a year and wind by something like 5% (with much noisier data). These cost reductions swamp hypothetical higher grid integration costs, which will also be sensitive to technological progress.
JamesWimberleyAugust 16, 2016 11:01 am
The comparative costs have also moved decisively on favour of wind and solar, partly because farms can be sited near centres of population on the east coast. Unsubsidised wind regularly beats thermal generation in auctions, and solar is getting close. Brazil's huge legacy hydro capacity (like it or not) also provides ample backup to deal with the variability of wind and solar. This is commonly exaggerated anyway. The Belo Monte dam is projected by its sponsors to have a capacity factor of only 39%, no better than well-sited wind farms in the Nordeste.
JamesWimberleyAugust 16, 2016 10:50 am
Agreed. It's perfectionism to ask for more. However, the organizers did miss one important trick. I listened to all the speeches that preceded the lighting of the flame, and none of them picked up on the environmental themes of the show. Peace, education, sure. It is also true that Eduardo Paes, the ambitious mayor of the host city, wears a big green hat - he chairs the group of 40 big cities committed to action against climate change - but the cattle on the ground are thin. There is SFIK no plan yet to replave Rio's large number of smog-spewing diesel buses.
Allan BeggAugust 14, 2016 11:17 pm
The $ has no ethics or morality
Robert HargravesAugust 14, 2016 9:30 pm
The development banks are reducing their funding for coal-fired electric generation plants, currently the most economic source of reliable electricity, badly needed by the developing nations. However they absolutely refuse to even consider funding nuclear power projects. Both nuclear and hydro are dispatchable source of power that are more economical that unsubsidized wind or solar power. Developing nations (and the development banks) can not afford the hidden subsidy dance taking place in the US, Germany, and other wealthy countries claiming to reduce CO2 emissions but in reality simply follow a green belief system. New nuclear power has the potential to undersell new coal power, providing even more electricity for developing nations' limited investable capital. That's ThorCon International's strategy. Development banks: open your minds to nuclear power!
Karl-Heinz HaesliprinzAugust 12, 2016 8:47 am
Someone didn't understand how the CDM works - it is true that the project did not deliver fully as expected, so the third-party verified monitoring report concluded that it should receive only 61% of the certificates initially expected. Initial "approval" (i.e. validation) doesn't mean anything in financial terms.
Michael BarkeAugust 12, 2016 5:48 am
Climate Denial = emitting more CO2 than anybody else and taxing everybody else for it.
Christian SölchAugust 11, 2016 11:40 am
Somehow there will be much moore international cooperation round the climate change. It will soon come because the most world leaders will get afraid from the climate reports that is coming up during 2016. There will be much moore cordination among world countries to reach the goals in Paris agreement. In the coming yaers there will be taken some very progresiv measures to meet the runaway climat change. Perhaps flying will be restricted, also other polluting vechicels will be somehowe restricted.
MrbillAugust 11, 2016 5:12 am
Ruckelshaus should be on death row for removing from use DDT and causing deaths of millions of children around world
9.8m/ssAugust 10, 2016 3:52 pm
Can we please stop calling these climate science deniers "sceptics?" Scientists are skeptical. They speak in precise but tentative terms. They learn from new evidence and sometimes change their minds. They verify. They reject hypotheses without evidence. Deniers do none of those things. Deniers accept any story that reinforces their existing beliefs, driven by a quest for tribal identity. Deniers are the most credulous people around. They're the opposite of skeptics.
WillAugust 10, 2016 3:38 pm
Turning CO2, water, and sunshine (photon energy) into hydrocarbon fuels involves understanding thermodynamic efficiency. Catalysts, mimicking enzymes in leaves, turns CO2 into CO and nascent, electron-rich O2-. O2-, a transitory product of the reaction, is quickly taken up by electron-deficient ionic Ca2+ in solution and is stabilized energetically, driving the reaction forward and lowering the energy of activation, Ea, for the reaction thereby improving (much needed) catalytic efficiency. Photosynthesis is the most important biochemical reaction in nature, and if scientists can mimic this reaction industrially to produce fuel efficiently, CO2 can quickly become a valued resource instead of being a dangerous pollutant causing climate change.
GooseAugust 9, 2016 10:33 pm
And why shouldn't they? They're the ones consuming it, after all.
Natalie UnterstellAugust 9, 2016 3:33 am
I totally disagree with this view. The Olympics are not the UNFCCC COPs nor any Rio+. They are the sports celebration, right? So, by bringing environment and climate change into its heart ceremony, it was a great thing. It was amazing by itself and all the cliches above are far from true. This was the first time ever that traditional indigenous houses were put into MAracana. This was the time when 4 billion heard at the same time about climate change. Deforestation was portrayed. And that's it.
sirselbyAugust 9, 2016 1:25 am
So this is the upshot analysis of.....the Marshall Islands foreign ministry? You've really got to be kidding. Hold the presses!
EllisWyattAugust 8, 2016 4:25 pm
Yeah...22 nations with 1.022 % of emissions. http://unfccc.int/2860.php
cardiganAugust 8, 2016 12:32 pm
This seems considerably at odds with the UN's own website http://unfccc.int/paris_agreement/items/9444.php "As of 3 August 2016, there are 180 signatories to the Paris Agreement. Of these, 22 States have also deposited their instruments of ratification, acceptance or approval accounting in total for 1.08 % of the total global greenhouse gas emissions." It would seem that the small island states are worrying that the largesse from the developed nations might not materialise, just as the scary claims about disappearing islands because of CO2 are also not happening. Climate Analytics was started and is run by former Greenpeace Political Director Bill Hare, who was an advisor to the small island states many years ago.
WillAugust 6, 2016 5:49 am
All independent EU nations such as UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy etc. can ratify the Paris Agreement domestically, which would then provide incentives for all remaining independent EU member nations to ratify domestically too.
JBAugust 4, 2016 5:30 am
Heavy FUD here ^^^.
Rick20112August 4, 2016 1:20 am
Maybe. But there could be a few other reasons. Has he spoken or tweeted today? Heck, I can't wait.
TecumsehUnfacedAugust 3, 2016 6:07 pm
Please don't flee to the wrecker of Haiti, Honduras, Libya, and Syria. Please don't flee to to the one planning a no-fly zone over Syria and confronation with nuclear-armed Russia. Please don't flee to the one who has colleced hug speaking fees from the banksters. Flee instead to the principles of the Greens and Dr. Jill Stein!
TecumsehUnfacedAugust 3, 2016 6:02 pm
testing
TecumsehUnfacedAugust 3, 2016 6:02 pm
Don't flee to the corruption of Hillary and WW III! Flee to the principles of Dr. Jill Stein and the Greens!
TecumsehUnfacedAugust 3, 2016 6:01 pm
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Darko714August 3, 2016 3:56 pm
"Snowmelt has started at the earliest date yet in 73 years, according to the US government’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration." Try looking at it this way: the climate was actually warmer in 1943.
Darko714August 3, 2016 3:51 pm
They were saying that 10 years ago and nothing like that has happened.
Cain AbelAugust 3, 2016 1:51 pm
If Trump cancels, why would the effect not be immediate?
WillAugust 3, 2016 1:03 pm
Calcium ion is also involved in the enzymatic conversion of CO2 to CO. Calcium ion lowers the energy of activation needed for CO2 to CO , improving catalytic efficiency.
Cain AbelAugust 3, 2016 12:21 pm
It's possible with a global nuclear war to kill everybody and stop emissions, but it's also possible to emit as much as possible CO2 (plant "food") in the air.
Cain AbelAugust 3, 2016 12:14 pm
Project fear, again
Cain AbelAugust 3, 2016 11:59 am
Actually, Trump isn't concerned about sea level, only about his gold course; he never wrote anything about sea level, a low level employee did; and the employee wasn't concerned about sea level either.
Cain AbelAugust 3, 2016 11:51 am
Love it. GO CANADA
Nuclear DisasterAugust 3, 2016 8:18 am
How Brits want to build 10 more new nuclear power plants? Among all alternative energy sources, nuclear power has been the least popular. What is more, the total damage made by oil is only comparable to the nuclear energy one. Read here https://nuclear-disaster.com nuclear power plants scare people because of the risks. Knowing terrorists may attack one of nuclear power plants, they should have something planned in advance if they still want more nuclear power. Probably, they thought Brexit would help to cope with that stress. But even speaking of small nuclear reactor, the advanced security system will be required, so that no nuclear disaster happens in UK.
John EnglartAugust 3, 2016 5:47 am
Just how much agricultural production will need to be devoted to 'green' biofuels for aviation? How will this affect food security and food prices? What isn't being considered are restrictions on aviation. Or to address the tax free subsidy on international flights deriving from the 1944 Chicago convention. Whether caps should be placed on passengers or number of flights. Maybe be need to incentivise alternatives to short haul aviation: fast trains anyone? And leave the majority of flight emissions to long haul intercontinental flights where alternatives are harder.
Gary WilliamsAugust 3, 2016 1:54 am
BioFuel is morally disgusting.!!! Burning Food just make a political statement is the very definition Stupid. Never mind the fact that it does not even cut GHG's. This is simply the ultimate in dumb Green Logic. Pathetic.
NicholBAugust 2, 2016 11:23 pm
I'm surprised that 'negative emissions' is here again presented as being equivalent to only 'Bio Energy +CCS', ie BECCS. There are clear issues with this option. CCS needs a lot of investment to even get first implementations that are not just enhanced recovery of more fossil fuels. Can biomass production scale to the necessary volumes, without e.g. chopping down forests that would absorb more CO2 is they were kept growing for longer? And CCS itself isn't without issues: scalability and safety. The 'CO2 usage' variant may be an improvement, but can 'usage' really sequester CO2 for a long time period? All of that is still to be demonstrated. It is clear that we should avoid to ever depend on this BECCS option alone. Other options to remove CO2 need to be developed. Weathering of olivine has great scaling potential, and it is also one of the few options that would (locally?) help mitigate acidification of the sea. Restoring natural systems of forest, peat, seagrass, etc could clearly contribute. It is clear that all CO2 removal methods need to be investigated more seriously. One big problem is that in our current economic system ('market') there is no clear business model that can produce a profit for cleaning up CO2. And making polluters pay for emitting CO2 only incentivises large polluters to pollute less. There is no incentive for actually cleaning up already emitted CO2, from the air and the sea. Either a market needs to be constructed, or governments need to actively invest in these activities. Preferably both. If conservative governments can fund the military defence.. why not in a similar way fund the defence against climate change?
thingfish2August 2, 2016 7:45 pm
The GOP only believes in science when it's meets their ideology. The rest of the science community are conspirators creating some kind of mass global nonsense. The oil and coal companies have many lobbiest and their not running to the Democrats in DC. So it's only natural republicans think this way.
PCAHAugust 2, 2016 10:26 am
It's nothing to do with China; it's nothing to do with costs. Hinkley C must be abandoned because its routine discharges of radioactive sea, land and air pollution would be an infringement of the public's right to life under the EU Human Rights Act.
Rog TallblokeAugust 2, 2016 9:58 am
The 6500 wind turbines currently slicing birds and bats across the blighted British landscape produce an average of 10% of requirement. A mere 90 active shalegas wellheads could do the same, reliably, constantly, predictably, at much lower cost. The fuel produced can be used near urban centres, meaning much lower line losses than from remote wind turbines and solar arrays. The Carbon dioxide emitted is greening the planet, and conspicuously failing to raise the surface temperature. Get real and get fracking.
Pol KnopsAugust 2, 2016 8:09 am
And preferably include in this research not solely BECCS, but also other options for achieving negative emissions. Like: enhanced weathering, Biochar, reforestation, CO2 negative materials etc. Currently is the focus mainly (or solely ?) towards BECCS.
PeterAugust 1, 2016 10:23 pm
Hi! Could you please clarify what budgets are marked as 1.5 and 2? And what % chance of staying under these temperatures these budgets represent?
BlueScreenOfDeathAugust 1, 2016 7:33 pm
Rolls Royce has been building small reactors for submarines since 1965.
J AtkinsAugust 1, 2016 4:20 pm
UNESCO management discredits the entire sustainability movement. Another example of UN being apologists i the face of the crooked.
Duke SilverAugust 1, 2016 12:32 am
No it's not Trump v world. How many countries do you see jumping up to pay for the Paris accord. Only non-tax paying americans are willing ..... to pay with someone else's money.
Vincent PawlowskiJuly 31, 2016 11:36 pm
Is failure that much more interesting? Downs' issue-attention cycle work describes 5 stages: the pre-problem stage, alarmed discovery and euphoric enthusiasm, realizing the cost of significant progress, gradual decline of intense public interest, and the post problem stage. Where does Paris fit?
Rick20112July 30, 2016 9:35 pm
"Enforced" is a weird word choice here. Nations commit to satisfying the limits laid out in the agreement (actually, it's a treaty, but don't tell the Senate or the Supreme Court that). The US is not called upon to enforce the agreement. She seems to be setting us up as some Big Brother, ensuring that we play by the rules, and that everyone else plays by the rules.
MickJuly 30, 2016 12:03 pm
if the film industry low lives of Hollywood are targeting Trump, that's a good reason to vote for him
klikklakJuly 30, 2016 3:51 am
Is he really serious??? No one has ever ever ever mentioned HFC's before and he comes up with this out of the blue. CO2 as a problem is questionable, HFC is not on the radar anywhere. How stupid do these guys think people are? 5 degree C rise would take us up to the temperatures of the Roman period and the Bronze Age. Check out REAL science facts.
Bob YoungJuly 29, 2016 9:20 pm
Hollywood stars are long on cash and short on intelligence.
GordonJuly 29, 2016 8:58 pm
Global warming seems to have missed us in the south of England. This is the latest and coldest spring/summer I can remember.
jimhopfJuly 28, 2016 9:12 pm
"..the subsidies to the nuclear industry in free state insurance, policing, research funding, and waste disposal.." These "subsidies" are tiny in magnitude, less than one cent (pence?) per kW-hr. Subsidies given to renewables are vastly larger. (Hinkley's strike price subsidy is as well, it's similar to those given to renewables.) Then there are outright mandates for renewables, which are essentially an infinite subsidy. A level playing field is indeed called for. Britain is clearly technically capable of building those small reactors (or could quickly develop the capability). The question is whether they could build them at a cost competitive with other places like China. Due to its cheaper labor, and other factors, countries like China have become "the world's factory floor". Small reactors could be built in a low cost country and be shipped all over the world for deployment. (That being the economic model for many consumer/industrial products.) It is one of the main reasons why small modular reactors offer hope of economically competitive nuclear. Indeed, it was Chinese manufacturing that was responsible for the great drop in solar panel prices. Perhaps it could do the same with modular reactors.
DoRightThingJuly 27, 2016 3:07 pm
You forgot the "Arctic Death Spiral", which precedes all these! Here's the latest one.
TonyPrepJuly 26, 2016 8:45 am
It's a shame that the targets for emissions cuts weren't based on consumption emissions, as that includes emissions due to the country's economy, not emissions that occur only within that country's borders.
VooDudeJuly 26, 2016 5:32 am
"Ethnic divides, more than economic inequality or poverty, raise the risk of violence erupting when droughts or heatwaves kick in" Okay, you've made the assertion that droughts or heat waves make ethnic divides worse. The climate has changed ... we're a bit warmer now, relative to when the Little Ice Age ended. Droughts have lessened, while CO2 emissions have risen. Sure, droughts have not ended, nor will they, ever. We've had droughts before, as well. Droughts suck. Would you like to connect the dots, and prove that Mannkind's emissions of CO2 cause droughts? "…and climate change is bringing fresh threats." What fresh threats, exactly? Don't say 'droughts' ... droughts, world-wide, have lessened.
BullfrogJuly 25, 2016 7:36 pm
So the key to reducing emissions and meeting the Paris goals is abject widespread poverty. (and btw even if the goals of Paris are met it makes no difference to climate according to the modelss about 8 hundredths of one degree over 85 years)
Nick NaylorJuly 25, 2016 6:27 pm
Nobody needed to hack into their server to know this. It's been a public part of their campaign all along.
Edward HarkinsJuly 25, 2016 5:23 pm
Where Sam Bickersteth makes this statement, it can be read as meaning that this year's reality has to be about the emerging consensus on the imperative of inclusive growth?: "This year is more about the reality of integrating climate change into national priorities of economic growth, employment, poverty reduction working across sectors and different levels of government and many challenges of political economy."
1HeliosJuly 25, 2016 3:16 pm
two points you make do not check out with the facts as I see them: 1) fuel cells will remain expensive due to the material costs, no economies of scale can help that, in fact it seems that the more that we build the more expensive they will become due to limited resources to make them. 2) making renewable hydrogen (water to compressed hydrogen) is not at all efficient compared to batteries and solar/wind. transportation of hydrogen is very problematic, prone for losses (small atoms), and dangerous (flammable). These issues have not been resolved. The train has left the station, solar and storage seems to be the future from all indicators I see. Just see where all the investments are going at the moment.
amarjeet singhJuly 24, 2016 9:23 am
its reverse actually.... we are proposing the outcome that may arise out of climate change!!!!!
Faiyaz PashaJuly 24, 2016 8:56 am
The Philippine president needs to know that his country can achieve 100% emission cuts even while using coal and other fossil fuels. Not only Philippines, all leaders of all countries need to know this fact and all organisations and people agitating against fossil fuels need to stop their bias against fossil fuels. It is possible to obtain, clean, & free electricity from coal & other fossil fuels. www.arslaanindia.webs.com
Faiyaz PashaJuly 24, 2016 8:31 am
The paris agreement was achieved by creating a scare against fossil fuels; this was done without proper understanding of technologies available and by proceedures uncalled for. If the Kyoto funds had been administered properly without all those costly procedures accomodating everyone capable, the paris agreement would not be necesary; even to-day, the attempts to cut omissions continue to be based on the same ignorance and people who take credit for the mess can hardly claim merit and on that basis promotion. The latest murder of Ms.Gloria Capitan in Philippines is a result of the scare. Ambition is alright but ignorance is no virtue.
IanJuly 23, 2016 11:42 pm
Great to see it is rising on the agenda of urgent things to do. Now all we need is for the manufacturers of GWP less than 50 equipment to hurry up and put it in the market. Great to see Hot Water heat pumps for the domestic space already, (Sanden) which are the most efficient form of hot water heating aside from solar hot water (in some cases). Much cheaper to run than gas or electric Off peak hot water. Still looking for some HVAC equipment which is readily found.
VooDudeJuly 23, 2016 2:25 pm
"Tornadoes in the US are getting worse, with the numbers in any one outbreak and the hazard of ever more frequent outbreaks both on the increase." Not so.
Robin_GuenierJuly 22, 2016 9:15 am
Its biggest test was Paris and the UK played a very positive role” As the Paris Agreement exempts the so-called developing countries, responsible for nearly 70% of global greenhouse gas emissions, from any obligation to reduce those emissions, the UK's "positive role" doesn't seem to have achieved very much. Unless of course Mr Hurd's experience in Africa convinced him that more benefit would be achieved there if developing countries were able to continue their emissions.
NickJuly 22, 2016 9:12 am
Hopefully there will be a new government in Poland soon, and things can get back on track.
MahmudHJuly 20, 2016 4:55 pm
What about the loss of GDP caused by people unable to work in the cold, and in snow and ice? There are two sides to this. Also, co2 impacts max temperatures much less than average temperatures. A 2 degree increase in world temperatures would not increase the summer daytime temperature in the tropics by 2 degrees.
Jason BrownJuly 20, 2016 11:01 am
A more reassuring move would have been having the business ministry come under climate. Why? Because of this para from the linked report: "Global emissions will need to peak soon and then decline rapidly for the Paris Agreement goals to be feasible. Even in this scenario the uncertain sensitivity of the climate to greenhouse gases means there would remain at least a small chance of 4°C or more of warming by 2100." A small chance? Of 4°C ? "...or more..." ? Given that the 1.5°C target is a political rather than scientific one, even a 'small chance' of '4°C or more of warming by 2100' should be enough to put the UK and the rest of the world on an emergency war-style footing.
Wayne AlanJuly 19, 2016 3:44 pm
When land based glaciers flow to the oceans they add sea ice to the oceans. When that ice melts it is "new" to the ocean, hence causing the ocean levels to rise.
JerryJuly 18, 2016 7:30 pm
Yet any of his energy policies will run counter to the big wall he wants to build http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Big-Oil-Begins-To-Worry-About-Trumps-Wall.html
Paul MatthewsJuly 18, 2016 1:41 pm
I looked at the website of "Americans for Prosperity". There's nothing about climate visible there, it's all libertarian free-market stuff. Searching for climate I can only find one climate-related article this year, about the green climate fund. I wonder how many people read that article and were influenced by it? These people are fighting imaginary demons.
trilemmamanJuly 18, 2016 3:50 am
Effectively addressing climate change will require the protection of basic human rights if we expect the poorest half of humanity to join in the effort. After all, the contributed least to the warming...but will likely suffer most. Our security is tied to theirs...just as our human rights are tied to theirs. This has been known since the 1980 Presidential Commission on World Hunger concluded... “In the final analysis, unless Americans -- as citizens of an increasingly interdependent world -- place far higher priority on overcoming world hunger, its effects will no longer remain remote or unfamiliar. Nor can we wait until we reach the brink of the precipice; the major actions required do not lend themselves to crisis planning, patchwork management, or emergency financing... The hour is late. Age-old forces of poverty, disease, inequity, and hunger continue to challenge the world. Our humanity demands that we act upon these challenges now...” Presidential Commission on World Hunger, 1980. The commission also stated “The most potentially explosive force in the world today is the frustrated desire of poor people to attain a decent standard of living. The anger, despair and often hatred that result represent real and persistent threats to international order… Neither the cost to national security of allowing malnutrition to spread nor the gain to be derived by a genuine effort to resolve the problem can be predicted or measured in any precise, mathematical way. Nor can monetary value be placed on avoiding the chaos that will ensue unless the United States and the rest of the world begin to develop a common institutional framework for meeting such other critical global threats as the growing scarcity of fossil fuels and other non-renewable resources, environmental hazards, pollution of the seas, and international terrorism. Calculable or not, however, this combination of problems now threatens the national security of all countries just as surely as advancing armies or nuclear arsenals.” The bipartisan also stated: “The Commission believes that promoting economic development in general, and overcoming hunger in particular, are tasks far more critical to the U.S. national security than most policymakers acknowledge or even believe. Since the advent of nuclear weapons most Americans have been conditioned to equate national security with the strength of strategic military forces. The Commission considers this prevailing belief to be a simplistic illusion. Armed might represents merely the physical aspect of national security. Military force is ultimately useless in the absence of the global security that only coordinated international progress toward social justice can bring.” A newer and relatively prestigious report released last June offered vital recommendations to address this trend in ominous threats of challenging and interconnected issues. If you are serious about getting involved in global justice issues read the 8 page Executive Summary of the report titled “Confronting the Crisis on Global Governance” by the Commission on Global Security, Justice and Governance. It was co-chaired by former US Secretary of State Madeline Albright and former UN Under-Secretary General for Political Affairs, Ibrahim Gambari. http://www.stimson.org/programs/global-security-justice-and-governance The world we have today is a result of our failure to take these and other pertinent Commissions seriously. Expect far worse for our children if the wisdom of these Commissions continue to be ignored.
TrakarJuly 17, 2016 4:51 pm
Without a substantive, revenue-neutral, carbon tax, a massively robust support and expansion of carbon-negative/neutral energy systems, and a lot of infrastructure and national building code hardening oriented to the conditions we face over the coming decades and centuries, Clinton's "strongest climate platform" is no more than a collection of feel-good words to sooth and placate the ignorant while she mashes down on the accelerator of Business as Usual.
balagan123July 17, 2016 12:42 pm
Look at the weather a few hundred km south of where you live. That is likely what you will see pretty soon where you live
WillJuly 17, 2016 8:04 am
At current global emissions, CO2 in the atmosphere will be further increased by 250 billion tons (250,000,000,000 tons) in 5 years. Bunker fuel oils are very high in carbon content and have contributed, is contributing, to high CO2 levels causing dangerous heatwaves, wildfires, storms etc. In keeping with the purposeful aims of the Paris Agreement, governments the world over have a moral and economic imperative to impose carbon taxes on bunker and other high-carbon oils used in shipping to promote a shift to less polluting fuels. Tax incentives could then be provided to offset engine modification costs needed to burn less polluting fuels.
Robin_GuenierJuly 16, 2016 10:28 am
"DECC officials worked with the EU to negotiate a global deal to cut greenhouse gas emissions, a goal realised last December in Paris." To claim the goal was realised is hardly an accurate description of a deal that exempts countries responsible for nearly 70% of such emissions from any obligation, moral or legal, to reduce them. See the my comments here: http://chn.webxost.com/2016/07/05/uk-climate-change-sceptics-botch-paris-deal-hit-job/
Mark RichardsonJuly 15, 2016 3:48 am
Yes, and for some reason neither Hillary or the DNC seem to even care that unfair trade policies have already destroyed 15 million jobs in the US, including the spinoff, when for both Bernie and Donald Trump one of their top issues was unfair trade and its ill effects on the American people. How much lower can our standard of living go before we have riots in the streets? Right now the bottom 80% of Americans in terms of annual income are only earning an average of 40% of the retail purchasing power that the same group earned in 1980 adjusted for true retail price inflation. I have a lifelong friend who is on disability, who has lived in Metro-Denver for the last 34 years. His apartments just went condo and he can't afford to buy the 1950s unit that he has been renting. Where is he going to move to when the average rent in Denver is now more than he gets in disability? I am a lifelong liberal that unfair trade as advanced by the Clinton's has already done serious economic damage to, someone who is staring-down urban fracking today in Metro-Denver too, which is supported by bought centrist Democrats here, so why should I vote for her when she has already flipped on her support for even more job-killing free trade and she can't say no to more fracking either? How does pushing for more fracking also result in the rapid responsible movement away from carbon emissions required to save planetary livability for our own children, especially when natural gas is almost entirely heat-trapping methane, and the natural gas industry has a very high leakage rate which renders natural gas use even worse for causing worsening climate change than continuing to burn coal would? Even worse, half of all oil & gas wells leak methane at a half-century in age too. Hillary and the DNC could care less about climate change as they know well that the chance of ramming climate change legislation through a Republican Congress is zero. Just typical Hillary, lie to make you feel good before turning on you once elected.
geoff ChambersJuly 14, 2016 8:49 pm
If as you say, the Department for Energy and Climate Change was “arguably the British ministry with closest ties to the European Union”, how come none of the other 27 members followed our example in setting targets superior to those required by the European Union? Not that it made any difference, since any savings made by Britain switching to ruinous reneawables would have been made up by Poland using cheap coal. Since Europe had/has one single target, all the DECC's high moral purpose was/would have been in vain anyway. Now we have no European partners to set a good example to, the DECC, the CCC and the Climate Change Act are dead ducks. RIP.
Jürgen FrankenbergerJuly 14, 2016 6:43 pm
Würde man auf die Einhaltung der #ENMOD - Konvention achten, könnte man sich manche "Erklärung" sparen! Let’s get Environmental and Climate Justice now! https://www.endecocide.org/sign/
Tom GrayJuly 14, 2016 3:58 pm
Why "claims"? Please don't help spread doubt, however unintentionally. There is a ton of evidence for this stuff.
Paul MatthewsJuly 13, 2016 3:58 pm
Here are the top issues according to US voters https://www.statista.com/chart/5225/the-top-issues-for-voters-in-the-2016-election/
alastiJuly 13, 2016 11:23 am
The final paragraph represents the actual reality.
Robin_GuenierJuly 12, 2016 3:17 pm
Exactly. The fact that we now have (or will have when it's ratified) a binding agreement under which the developing world (responsible for nearly 70% of global GHG emissions) is "not committed to doing anything at all" is exceptionally significant. Yet few commentators seem interested.
WillJuly 12, 2016 5:15 am
The stark reality of deadly climate change impacts of heatwaves, wildfires, floods, storms, famine, etc, now beginning, are that once they occur routinely there is little that can be done to stop the irreversible changes due to warming oceans. Our only hope now is to head-off the climate changes with immediate action by all governments. We must bend the ascending CO2 curve downwards. Theresa May, the world is counting on you, Angela Merkel, Segolene Royal and other leaders to save the young generation!
Pol KnopsJuly 11, 2016 11:36 pm
A nice analogue for understanding the global warming on Earth. Nice work. And maybe we could use this expertise to help counteracting the global warming.
Eyal MoragJuly 11, 2016 9:02 pm
The best pic of Mordor in Alberta that I saw. Or maybe is Isengard? https://www.thenation.com/article/keystone-xl-and-tar-sands-voices-front-lines/
Paul MatthewsJuly 11, 2016 6:09 pm
In the last year she has * Voted against setting a decarbonisation target for the UK * Voted against requiring a strategy for carbon capture and storage * Voted to apply the Climate Change Levy tax to electricity generated from renewables All this must be worrying news for climate policy advocates.
Jackson SterlingJuly 10, 2016 5:37 pm
Media Coverage is not Proof of Global Warming AKA Confirmation Bias: Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).
Jackson SterlingJuly 10, 2016 5:37 pm
Climate change theories/models are not backed by the empirical evidence: The UN's climate predictions have all failed to match real-world empirical evidence. Climate change mathematical models cannot even successfully predict past temperatures with all the data at their disposal, forward projections have also proven laughably inaccurate. If you cannot successfully backtest your model is flawed. Despite what the climate change lobby want us to believe science is not a consensus – science is hypothesis, experiment, observation & conclusion. A single scientist overturned the consensus that the sun revolved around the earth – this conclusion that was deemed heretical by the heliocentric consensus which is strangely how the warming theorists react to any criticism of their theories.
geoff ChambersJuly 8, 2016 11:05 pm
Your criticism of Professor Campbell and the septuagenarians who surrounded him is based on the fact that he appeared not to know that “..in a last minute huddle, the US insisted the legally binding term 'shall' was a typo and got it changed to a looser 'should'.” But the article you link to is headed “China rescues US from Paris climate deal ‘typo’ fiasco”. Younger people make mistakes too. In other words, it was the Chinese who insisted on the change from “shall” to “should”, which is all the more intriguing, since the Chinese language doesn't contain modal verbs. The Chinese “Rescue” certainly rescued the US, since it opened the way to by-passing confirmation by Congress, but it also rescued China, and the rest of the developing world, which is now not committed to doing anything at all.
Bob BinghamJuly 8, 2016 9:02 pm
We have peat fires in New Zealand (only tiny ones) that burn underground for years and they can not be put out.
onesecondJuly 8, 2016 8:27 pm
And how many were closed in 2015?
PG_BillJuly 8, 2016 11:13 am
Is there enough uranium extractable without expendig more energy than will be got out of it? As the more accessible mines run out it gets more and more expensive in both energy and money.
Robin_GuenierJuly 7, 2016 5:24 pm
So the GWPF meeting was a hopeless botch engineered by confused old men. Maybe so – but Climate Home would be foolish to ignore post-Paris reality: developing economies are unambiguously exempted from any obligation, moral or legal, to reduce their GHG emissions. That’s a disaster for those who insist that substantial and urgent reductions in GHG emissions are essential if the world is to avoid potential catastrophe. Some relevant points: 1. It’s an outcome that derives from two key documents: the Paris text and its “parent treaty”, the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), the status and content of the latter being unaffected by the former. 2. As a result, the 1992 Annex I / non Annex I bifurcation (between “developed” and “developing” countries) still stands. Therefore the exemption applies to the vast bulk of countries represented in Paris – countries comprising about 82% of humanity and essentially all the world’s poorest people. And these exempted countries are responsible for nearly 70 percent of global GHG emissions. 3. The key provisions are (a) Article 4.7 of the UNFCCC that allows developing countries to give overriding priority to “economic and social development and poverty eradication” and (b) Article 4.4 of the agreed Paris text (i.e. the text to which Professor Campbell should have referred) under which they are merely “encouraged to move over time towards economy-wide emission reduction or limitation targets in the light of different national circumstances”. 4. The fact that the final Paris text (i.e. as amended at the last minute) provides that even developed economies have only a moral (if that) obligation to cut emissions ("should" instead of "shall") underlines further how Paris was a disaster for those advocating drastic emission reduction. 5. Likewise the probability that the Paris Agreement will, when ratified, be legally binding gives yet further force to all this – if an agreement becomes legally binding that doesn’t change what was agreed. An observation: it’s interesting that China instigated the change to Article 4.4 of the text referenced by Professor Campbell. Why? Well, such a change might avoid the need for US Congressional approval, thereby making the eventual ratification of the Agreement more likely. That would suit China – putting a significant burden on the West, while China (still classified as a developing country) would have total freedom of action. It seems to me that China and other major developing countries may have been playing the West for fools. If so, they've won.
Robert StringerJuly 7, 2016 9:02 am
I challenge all who conjecture that carbon dioxide for the observed global warming to name one or more basic laws of physics which can be used to prove the conjecture
RobinJuly 7, 2016 4:05 am
We have been trying to change the world view on caring for the planet for 45yrs and awareness is now available thanks to intelligent technology allowing the artificial intelligences using the supercomputers turned on to monitor all intercummunication have morphed into A. I. The alien intelligence the majority wanted
Sten RitterfeldJuly 6, 2016 5:26 pm
Awesome news - but if you would have read a little further in the EU press release, you would have found out that the EEA already published this information in their technical report 14/2015, from October 2015. http://www.eea.europa.eu/publications/trends-and-projections-eu-ets-2015 Regardless, it is awesome news! If there wasn't carbon leakage....
AndrewWarrenJuly 6, 2016 4:36 pm
You forget that practically all the leading climate change deniers were centre stage in the campaign to gull the UK population to vote to leave the European Union.
mike hamblettJuly 6, 2016 10:45 am
Only in the USA, land of creationists, flat-earthers and gun-maniacs, does this GWPF carry any weight at all.
alastiJuly 6, 2016 5:15 am
My sense is that the oil majors are *not* yet doing more than making token gestures toward the sustainable, essential "net zero" carbon-emissions future which will be requiring a transformative, near-term transition to renewable energy sources. They're putting out a lot of PR rhetoric about why it's not their fault that they're not fully contributory in addressing our crisis, despite that threat to humanity being caused by the usages of their products. The intention of these compamies' initiatives is more so to fend off criticisms and to influence the thinking of market participants such as Mr. Mylchreest than it is to contribute meaningfully to fundamental change.
Sam MyersJuly 5, 2016 6:06 pm
In all honesty. The warm water coming out of Antarctica meeting the colder water is like when you take a bottle out of the freezer, it sometimes doesnt freeze untill you open it exposing it to warmer air. Well they know theres some kind of warm water coming out from Antarctica under the ice. Outside of that, most gov reaserchers arent honest about findings released to the public if at all, so technically it could be b. s. and google could just fake the ice shore line like they block out so much. This could be an extra effort attempt to simply hide something extremely sensitive by expanding the ice out. What could be so sensitive? Four off shore pyramids amongst a vast area of ancient ruins. Not to mention the fact that they know of it and are not saying anything. Thers a big hole in one of the pyramids with some evidence that someone has been in it. Bet that up. Would you like to see the screenshots?
Bart_RJuly 4, 2016 8:15 pm
The Whitehouse-Schatz American Opportunity Carbon Fee Act is also leadership. As is PIE: + Privatize fossil waste disposal at a Market price, with revenues paid to each citizen with lungs, as a way to send a price signal for fossil intensity. If government won't see this as much its duty as administering weights and measures, then do it yourself by telling those who sell to you that you only buy from those who have paid their CO2 debt by offsets. + Indict those racketeers whose payments to obscure, perjure and lie about fossil waste liability to stakeholders are provable in court, diluting the fossil carbon price signal. If your government won't do it, then get a class action going. + End subsidy to fossil, that the Market might choose the winners by price signal, not the donors of elected officials.
Bart_RJuly 4, 2016 8:14 pm
Happily, animal products aren't the culprit. It would be far harder to solve the problem if it were animal agriculture. The simple fact is that carbon in animals, or plants, or microbes of any sort, or fungi are already part of the carbon cycle, and that cycle pushes CO2 around at roughly the same rate because of feedbacks, more or less, if there are no other external forcings. Farm animals and farm microbes displace wild animals and wild microbes, but otherwise generally produce as much CO2 and CH4 within a very narrow band, little changed in 10,000 years, Fossil waste dumping is the issue. It's the only issue. Sequestration is a slow,process -- though good news, the cheapest and easiest proven sequestration method is the ancient technology of terra preta, but turning organic waste into biochar and amending soils as deep as practical with 17% biochar mix. The bad news: even terra preta cannot keep up with the rates of fossil waste dumping, and nor can pumping CO2 underground. That 'solution' is just a ploy to keep burning fossil. If you want a solution, the way to go is PIE: + Privatize fossil waste disposal at a Market price, with revenues paid to each citizen with lungs, as a way to send a price signal for fossil intensity. If government won't see this as much its duty as administering weights and measures, then do it yourself by telling those who sell to you that you only buy from those who have paid their CO2 debt by offsets. + Indict those racketeers whose payments to obscure, perjure and lie about fossil waste liability to stakeholders are provable in court, diluting the fossil carbon price signal. If your government won't do it, then get a class action going. + End subsidy to fossil, that the Market might choose the winners by price signal, not the donors of elected officials.
Birther 2.0July 4, 2016 7:19 pm
No thanks. Id rather we had a smaller population than sacrifice the basics for more population growth. Nobody said murder. Attrition, lower birth rate, tax kids. Keep the planet livable.
Vijay RajJuly 4, 2016 4:50 am
Biggest 2-month drop in global temperatures. -0.37 deg. C, which is the second largest in the 37+ year satellite record…the largest was -0.43 deg. C in Feb. 1988. In the tropics, there was a record fast 2-month cooling of -0.56 deg. C, just edging out -0.55 deg. C in June 1998 (also an El Nino weakening year)
Bart_RJuly 3, 2016 7:39 pm
1.5? Try the PIE: + Privatize fossil waste disposal at a Market price, with revenues paid to each citizen with lungs, as a way to send a price signal for fossil intensity. If government won't see this as much its duty as administering weights and measures, then do it yourself by telling those who sell to you that you only buy from those who have paid their CO2 debt by offsets. + Indict those racketeers whose payments to obscure, perjure and lie about fossil waste liability to stakeholders are provable in court, diluting the fossil carbon price signal. If your government won't do it, then get a class action going. + End subsidy to fossil, that the Market might choose the winners by price signal, not the donors of elected officials.
Bart_RJuly 3, 2016 7:37 pm
Beetle-killed timber.
irismanJuly 3, 2016 3:40 am
The goal of 1.5 deg C was never realistic, and 2 deg C is becoming more and more unlikely. The idea of burying trillions of cubic feet of CO2 without consuming a lot of energy in the process is like un-ringing a bell.
TerryPatJuly 3, 2016 2:24 am
I am talking about anthropogenic climate change... obviously. That is what I am referring to bringing up Hawking. So, again, you believe you know better than Hawking and even 97% of climate scientists. A genius in our midst.
Justin CarterJuly 3, 2016 1:56 am
Kenaf/Hemp
William JeffersonJuly 3, 2016 12:04 am
Maritime traffic and heating are major causes of pollution as well, yet the government in Oslo does little to limit that. This government has made clear through their actions they are only anti-car, not anti-pollution, which is why they are not taken seriously and why recent polls show the Green party has lost nearly all support since the election. The constant smug and condescending remarks from Lan Marie Nguyen Berg towards anyone who disagrees with her do not help their case either (even her allies have pointed this out). Oslo needs a holistic approach to address all sources of pollution in the city limits. Building a ring road that bypasses the city entirely (as of now, anyone traveling north-south in southeastern Norway is FORCED to drive through Oslo, even if they are not stopping in the city), creating more affordable housing in the city center so people don't need to commute as much, increasing public transportation services on weekends and nights, and halting the constant insane increases in the ticket price of public transportation are all real issues should be discussed. But the Greens aren't doing any of this. They are not a serious, mature party interested in the city's overall future. They're just cyclists who like sticking it to motorists. The voters see that now. Combine this with their poor cooperation skills and small-minded approach to problems, it's hard to see how they will have any part in the city government come next elections. Hopefully the new government will pursue environmentally-friendly goals in a far more productive and effective way.
Moh Kan WuJuly 2, 2016 8:06 pm
The 1.5C threshold is mislead us, cut greenhouse gas cannot tackle the climate change, the planet end before 2030.
Faiz. USAJuly 2, 2016 3:41 pm
Think positive , this is a step forward, you should appreciate it and not critize good efforts.. You r unbelievable
Tom GrayJuly 1, 2016 10:35 pm
Would be great to see a few countries, groups, folks step up and say they're willing to sacrifice to save our mutual climate and hope others will, too. Not happening much, and says a lot about our tendency for self-indulgence.
David SmithJuly 1, 2016 8:57 pm
Which scientist decided on the 1.5 degrees, and what were their scientific justifications for this limit? I'd hate to think that it was just some number plucked out of the air by a non-scientist.
LauraSchleiferJuly 1, 2016 5:23 pm
Stop eating animal products, and there will be plenty of land available for both food crops and d-bioenergy crops alike. Animal agriculture is by far and away the greatest reason for land shortages, because the crops that could be going to feed humans are going to feed the animals instead, all to produce a miniscule amount of flesh. I'm a little concerned about this idea to pump emissions into the ground, though. Does anyone know any more about that? It sounds like it would inevitably contaminate the soil and/ or compromise the integrity of the foundation...
WindyJuly 1, 2016 3:00 pm
Wtf is that supposed to mean??
WindyJuly 1, 2016 2:59 pm
They're gagging right now that their pilot globalization project has been smashed. Their anti-democratic tendencies are on full display right now as they try to find ways to frustrate the will of UK voters.
Stephen ZimmermanJuly 1, 2016 2:44 am
What is an example of a bioenergy crop?
Dave BrownJune 30, 2016 8:58 pm
Nero (we) fiddled while Rome (planet) burned.
hikertomJune 30, 2016 4:25 pm
Humanity is performing a very dangerous experiment by changing the composition of our atmosphere. Why should we take a chance with the life support system of our home planet? If we were to burn all the fossil fuels that we now know about, this planet would be uninhabitable. CO2 traps infrared radiation from the sun. You can demonstrate this with a simple experiment. Take two mason jars and put a thermometer in each. Then pour some baking soda and vinegar into one. Immediately seal them tight and place them both in the sun. The one with the baking soda/vinegar will have more carbon dioxide and will heat up much faster. Isn't it better to do this experiment in a mason jar rather then the entire planet?
Australian Vine PsychicJune 30, 2016 4:22 pm
This news is devastating when you know what the increase of +1.5C actually means. How can we have so many world leaders who are at the bidding of fossil fuel? They still want to start new coal mines. I am heartbroken because this also means the magnetic field will decrease further and our world will go through cataclysmic events.
Rick ClemenziJune 30, 2016 2:09 pm
With Leadership we CAN solve this problem. Example solution is laid out at the MIT Climate CoLab for MIT 100% GHG elimination: http://bit.ly/28Hmauk. Leadership is all we need -- Join the Net Zero Movement!
IcetailJune 30, 2016 10:44 am
Yep, we doomed this planet.
Kylan St.JeanJune 29, 2016 6:00 pm
The entire factory is powered by the sun and has a zero carbon foot print. They had some major engineering hurdles to achieve this in regards to not even building a natural gas pipeline to the facility that could have assisted in many of the plant's operations. Tom Radecki I completely agree with your statement and we should be throwing everything we've got at this thing. Humans were never good at looking at long term projections and this might be our greatest genetic fault. Cheers
jn2222June 29, 2016 1:21 am
This is good news and way over due. Everyone must start changing or we will not survive this. Oil companies are myopic at this point and can't see past the dollar sign on their noses. They need to be legally pressured to wake up.
JOHNBOY11June 28, 2016 7:04 pm
even when your country is about to fall into the sea///keep the wheels on the crazy global warming-change-something bus???just shut up
abhinav bhaskarJune 28, 2016 4:43 pm
May the force be with her . The world needs such passionate people to be at the centre stage .
cardiganJune 27, 2016 11:20 pm
India will not now ratify because it did not gain membership of the Nuclear Supplies Group: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/As-its-NSG-bid-fails-India-says-Paris-Climate-Agreement-ratification-may-be-delayed/articleshow/52906697.cms# "A big outcome of the NSG (Nuclear Suppliers Group) failure is that India will now not ratify the Paris Agreement anytime soon. That agreement is a key element of US President Barack Obama's legacy. The Indian statement says clearly, "An early positive decision by the NSG would have allowed us to move forward on the Paris Agreement." This will be a big blow to the Obama administration which wanted India to ratify the pact so it could enter into force. It was understood that an NSG membership would help India clear the Paris Agreement. In the end, diplomats said 38 countries declared outright support for India's accession, while nine others held out questions on procedure. China however maintained its line against India which helped to sway fence-sitters like Ireland, New Zealand and Austria, who pushed for a process and criteria to determine entry of non-NPT countries."
cardiganJune 27, 2016 11:16 pm
"the warmest year in history" How long does that history go back?
HJJune 27, 2016 5:05 pm
I don't follow your argument. France has lower emissions than Germany, therefore Global Warming isn't real? Did I get that right?
waitsmtJune 26, 2016 10:38 pm
To promote progress, and keep folks focussed on need to change, put video cameras at bislet circle, and put it on tv, showing dangerous foolish traffic chaos.
Guy DaunceyJune 26, 2016 6:00 pm
This is how it needs to be. It would be great to have a story on how they are going to handle their buildings.
Robot46June 25, 2016 12:04 am
All will be ok when the near bankrupt state owned EDF gets on with building the new nuclear station. No but seriously. Our EU partners couldn't be relied upon before Brexit. The EU has set standards for diesel engines that have proven to be woefully inadequate. The UK now has to take responsibility for determining its own standards, solving its own problems, utilising the opportunities presented to it - unfettered - an opportunity to do better.
EllisWyattJune 24, 2016 5:43 pm
What a bunch of hysterical drivel from the Wanna Be Kings Of The World.
WillJune 24, 2016 3:25 pm
TIME remaining before uncontrollable climate chaos begins is seldom if ever considered, why? Its always 2030, 2050 or 2100 to achieve something. Elementary maths show that we do not have that time. At 50 billion tons CO2 emitted/year, that is 500 billion tons extra CO2 emitted in 10 years. In 5 years it will be 250 billion tons extra CO2, too late then to bend the curve to keep to 2C warming limit. Dangerous heatwaves from CO2 forcing is what we should fear by then. Large populations without air conditioning - where do we move them? To have a good probability of bending the curve downwards in 5 years time (2021), all governments should: - Introduce carbon taxes on all transport fuels. - Stop production of new CO2 emitting car engines and replace with electric engines and modern batteries in affordable cars. - Whenever possible, all new homes with compulsory solar panels and solar water heating (subsidized from carbon taxes). - End fossil fuel subsidies, providing tax incentives to companies for switching to renewable energies and biofuels. - Switch off unnecessary lighting at night in all cities and a mandatory switch to energy- efficient lighting. - Increase photosynthetic CO2 absorption by plants. Fertilize standing forests frugally, and fertilize crops with new, highly efficient fertilizers for economy. Introduce green manuring to fix carbon in soils and improve fertility. - Encourage growing of registered trees by citizens, providing fertilizers and expertise. - Other measures to reduce CO2 levels in the atmosphere to safer levels by 2021.
Paul MatthewsJune 23, 2016 3:29 pm
Don't mention the recession...
Charles DuemlerJune 23, 2016 3:28 am
they need to be chastised for chopping trees down and using them for fuel and considering it good practices. bastards!!!
Najeeb UllahJune 23, 2016 2:57 am
Great achievemt EU .keep the snowball rolling
Arif Cem GündoğanJune 22, 2016 10:29 pm
"The contours of Turkey’s climate policy have remained almost intact over the past two decades. Being an Annex I party without any mitigation commitments, Turkey maintains a peculiar position under UNFCCC. Subsequent to 12 years of delay in signing both the Framework Convention and the Kyoto Protocol, Turkey had the highest rate of increase in greenhouse gas emissions among the Annex I countries with 110.4% upsurge in the period 1990 and 2013. Yet with the new climate regime now in place, the country’s mitigation pledges fall short of expectations both in terms of realistic projections and its ambition to step up in the post- 2020 period. Climate policies in Turkey, an EU candidate and OECD founding member with a growing economy, remain under-investigated. Although the country has a wide range of policies and institutions in place, it shows limited progress in addressing climate change. Based on evidence from the literature, we observe that climate policies operationalize in Turkey insofar as they do not directly confront developmental ambitions, leaving policy diffusion with limited success. To provide a historic overview, we focus on climate policy development, actors, processes, and contemporary trends. Evidence shows that these are highly ridden with the politics of special circumstances: a notion that Turkey employs to refrain from bindings commitments. In order to go beyond special circumstances discourse, we argue the need for a bold policy shift in Turkey, a country subject to adverse impacts of climate change and high-carbon lock-in risk due to development policy preferences." from the article ---> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wcc.390/abstract
Geoffrey LipmanJune 22, 2016 1:40 pm
Cities will be disaster areas unless linked coherently to nature based solutions.
Van DutchmanJune 22, 2016 11:38 am
Unfortunately we are only measuring CO2. In the USA CO2 may be reducing too, but CH4 Methane, the most potent greenhouse gas known to mankind, has seen a huge increase due to their onshore fossil fuel industry, specifically Shale Oil & Gas Fracking. In the EU governments have stopped measuring CH4 altogether; http://www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/governments-ditch-eu-methane-limits/
Samantha AtkinsJune 22, 2016 12:02 am
Robots plus IoT plus perhaps more vertical farming can most definitely produce more high quality food at lower costs across multiple dimensions including pesticide and herbicide use, water use, energy use, fertilizer, various types of undesired runoffs, monetary cost.
dabenjJune 21, 2016 1:56 pm
"The realities of future global energy demand and supply will continue to support our business, fully utilising coal reserves"??? ...wishful thinking, or deliberately misleading?
Mark McCaffreyJune 17, 2016 9:52 pm
Great questions! Was there ever a honeymoon though? It seems to me the small, overworked team in Songdo has done a remarkable job under difficult circumstances and enormous expectations to establish the foundation for the next phase. Personally, I think the proposal for GCF to focus some of its funding on education, as Lutz et al put forth in Science a few years ago, has merit, and that would certainly tie in with Article 12 of the Paris Agreement-- building capacity through education, pubic engagement, etc. Perhaps combine the Mission Innovation project that Bill Gates and others announced in Paris could connect up with GCF to help fund renewables in schools around the world. Meanwhile, about the gender balance on the GCF board-- one of eight is a woman? Something else to work on.
Arnold van den HurkJune 17, 2016 6:57 pm
That's great in Spain politicians fight against solar energy because the subsidies. In South Africa is the opposite ...
WillJune 17, 2016 10:05 am
A transparent carbon tax on aviation fuel loaded onto aircraft at airports before departure is much more logical compared to taxing CO2 emitted during flight in a country's airspace. Airlines will have a good reason then to invest in renewable energies to lower their carbon tax on fuels. All nations committed to an effective Paris Agreement should tax CO2 emissions to lower dangerously high CO2 levels in the atmosphere causing heatwaves. Saving humanity now is a good investment in humanity's future.
Peter DeaconJune 16, 2016 9:40 pm
Aviation, along with shipping and agriculture must all be factored into efforts to reduce human made GHG emissions. Otherwise there is zero chance of achieving zero net emissions by 2050, which is what must happen to preserve a future biosphere that can support human civilization. All industries must be made to pay the true costs of the damage they are inflicting on our world, otherwise there is no price signal to drive innovation and decarbonization. Globalization and out of control capitalism are destroying our biosphere and we must transition to a new economic model, that does not rely on ever increasing consumption and ever expanding air and sea transportation systems that gobble resources and spew CO2. If we do not decarbonise our economy, we and most life forms on earth are doomed to extinction.
Larry ChamblinJune 15, 2016 6:42 pm
Through her leadership and personal courage, Christiana Figueres shows us how to find hope in a situation that is just shy of being hopeless. She is an inspiration, and it is a credit to the UN that she has risen to the position of influence she has. We wish here well as she continues on her path to push the transformational potential of humankind.
Jaime SaldarriagaJune 15, 2016 5:31 pm
China and india need to stop coal consumption as soon as possible, beyond COP21 commitments.
ZakirJune 15, 2016 2:41 pm
During Bonn Climate Change Conference 2016, I asked Ms.Christiana, the same question BBC asked last week. She told to ask the stars. So we are trying to call on the five stars on earth. https://youtu.be/tRCfuD_DGrQ
User789June 15, 2016 10:49 am
Forgive my ignorance, but it seems to me that you have pretty widely misrepresented the subsidy reform outcomes to date and failed to fully acknowledge the wider context. Maybe this is due to editing, but it seems odd that the article doesn’t seem to address the following: First, Indonesia’s fiscal problems seem much more to do with the slide in the value of the Rupiah, brought about domestically by relatively weak economic growth and high inflation and internationally by the strength of the dollar, than its subsidy reform package as was at least partially implied. It wasn’t clear to me from reading the article, what fiscal troubles had the government set itself up for through its subsidy reform process? On this, I assume you mean paying the outstanding $1bn to Pertamina for price controls? Do you think that the situation the country is in now is worse than it would have been had the status quo been maintained? Are you suggesting that this $1bn is a fiscal trouble compared to the $15bn it was expected to spend on subsidies? (Admittedly not all of the $15bn was gasoline and as you note there are still line items for other fossil fuels but I have assumed that the lion share was earmarked for gasoline.) Moreover, why would Pertamina go bankrupt if the money wasn’t paid back? Yes, it is currently registered as a loss but are you suggesting that the company's cash flow is that tight or that it couldn’t raise the cash to pay its debtors (this would seem odd given that in March it inked a $2bn gas power plant deal and that by my reading of its financial statements as of the end of 2015 it had $4.5bn in cash and cash equivalents on its books having made pre-tax profits of $3.8bn)? Onto the actual price-stabilisation mechanism that the WSJ considers flip flopping. Given the volatility of the Rupiah it doesn’t seem too bad an idea in the initial stages of a net importer opening up to the market to include some buffer to the vagaries of the oil and currency markets while it is building a strategic petroleum reserve (being paid for by a tax on fuels no less). Indeed, isn’t this just one example of the fiscal buffers that you later go on to recommend? If not this, then what? Moreover, a little backtracking rather than flat refusal to acknowledge substantial exogenous shocks seems like a way of making the policy a lot more ‘sticky’ in the long term. Maybe I have massively misinterpreted your article and/or am completely misinformed about the situation, in which case I apologise. If not though, maybe you should cut a brave endeavour a little bit more slack.
Calamity_JeanJune 14, 2016 8:44 pm
But 2014 was abnormally hot nearly everywhere else. The northeast US is only a small part of the world.
Mr FebruaryJune 14, 2016 11:05 am
Oh dear! I thought we had retired our chief agricultural greenhouse gas apologist (and former member of the Bangles) Jo Tyndall?
Jim BairdJune 13, 2016 4:07 pm
It is no longer about commitment, it is about real action. http://www.theenergycollective.com/jim-baird/2380753/disruptive-climate-technology-doesnt-just-fall-out-of-a-tree
David SimpsonJune 13, 2016 3:28 am
I think the world should stop all air flights to the maldives .... to prevent any further rising oceans from drowning them all.
cardiganJune 12, 2016 10:21 am
"The US and India have signalled they are on course to formally approve the Paris climate agreement this year, boosting hopes it could come into force by 2017." This is wishful thinking. http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/us-will-push-for-indias-admission-to-nsg-later-this-month/article8702205.ece "While the U.S. side insisted that Mr. Modi and the President agreed that both countries would ratify the climate treaty within the current year — 2016 — Indian officials said this was not the case." http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-contradicts-us-claim-over-signing-climate-deal-this-year/story-dlFY2SpdyZroxqmiu1kPMN.html "The claim by the US that India will ratify the Paris climate change agreement this year, was contradicted on Wednesday by official Indian sources. “We agreed to join as soon as possible and that is what is reflected in the Joint Statement as well,” the sources said, indicating that India had not fixed a deadline to sign." If there is a President Trump, all bets are off.
STELLAJune 10, 2016 2:34 pm
We need to fund projects that have sustainable solutions if we are to win this fight to combat the effects of climate change. We need projects that go down to the grass root, all citizens in the world need to be synthesized that this is an issue that affects all of us. The recent floods in France speak much. Residents made comments like: "l had never thought this would ever happen to us. I only saw this on television...." So it is obvious none of us knows what can happen tomorrow in our back yards/surroundings or to our beloved ones. We all have to be partners in this fight.
Yash KumarJune 9, 2016 6:50 am
The demand for the renewable energy is increasing gradually irrespective in the drop in fossil fuel prices. The consumers are now tilting towards the use of the renewable energy. The fall in the prices of the solar have further enhanced the technical & economical viability of the alternate energy.
agelbertJune 8, 2016 11:07 pm
Don't expect the International (fossil fuel friendly) Energy Agency (IEA) OR the U.S. (fossil fuel friendly) EIA to adjust their fossil fuel use projections accordingly.
JamesWimberleyJune 8, 2016 4:21 pm
"In 2015, it imported 10.7 gigawatts." This makes no sense. A watt (and multiples) is a unit of power, an instantaneous quantity. It must be gigawatt-hours, a unit of energy: power over time. (The alternative SI unit for energy is the joule (1 watt-second) and multiples.) This is all absolutely elementary. It is not professional for writers on a climate blog not to know the distinction by heart. For example, they need to know that car batteries and other forms of energy storage have both power ratings in w/Kw/Mw and energy ratings in wh/Kwh/Mwh.
ConradsGhostJune 7, 2016 5:16 am
"Al Gore also said the Arctic would be ice free in 2014." No, he did not. That is a lie. You are a liar.
ConradsGhostJune 7, 2016 5:14 am
"...more ice at both poles is wrong?" Yes. That is a lie. "...Greenland has gained 300 ft of new ice since 1942..." That is also a lie. You are a liar.
Zosha123June 6, 2016 3:26 pm
Trump; "Are these science gods you eager climate blame believers exaggerate too stupid to know when to say their own CO2 hell is as real as they agree smoking causes cancer before it's TOO LATE TO SAY IT? So YOU eager believers can tell our kids the end is near but science isn't allowed to? Who's the redneck in our children's history books?"
Chris MarshalkJune 6, 2016 12:08 pm
Well done to the progressive 10 nations.
Bob BinghamJune 6, 2016 9:12 am
India is not the only country that needs to plant trees.
ThomasJKJune 5, 2016 10:06 pm
Should it be called "investments" when it is government (taxpayer and consumer) paid bribes provided as inducements that are driving the expenditures?
Doug MackenzieJune 5, 2016 4:29 pm
So now we blame the results of politics and overpopulation on climate change? Our heads are in the sand.....
Robert P BruceJune 5, 2016 2:13 pm
I too thought the headline was building up to a big point that never came. The commitments made so far on climate change : eliminating fossil fuel subsidies and encouraging greater investment in renewables are moves in the right direction, but not enough to drive the shift to sustainable living. To do that we need a universal carbon pricing system so that governments, businesses, and households can all take the best decisions for the future, based on real costs to the environment. Once we make this critical step then markets and free trade will play their part by seeking out the most cost effective ways to promote zero carbon lifestyles. As in other areas the key to making free trade work is to understand that "free" competition does not mean completely "deregulated" markets, which have been the basis of the WTO and neo-liberal economists over the last 30 years. Instead we need agreement in the Global Economic Community on regulations to create free and fair markets which no longer depend on the exploitation of others, abuse of human rights, or selfish exploitation of our planet's non-renewable resources, for growth. Robert P Bruce - author www,TheGlobalRace
Ambachew FekadenehJune 4, 2016 10:16 pm
KP's flag ship CDM also called Cino Indian Development Mechanism should be limited to LDCs. This is because CDM standards were made to tailor fit their circumstances only and administered by gang of bereucrats largely from India or Asia in general. 80% of KP's CDM projects are from these territories. Hence First, KP free riders like China and India should be pursuaded to consider their zombie registered -on -collusion CDM projects in meeting their own goals under Paris. No CDM projects in these states shall be used to meet offset demands in Europe and US and Canada.
LogicDudeJune 4, 2016 4:03 pm
Not a lot of skepticism here. So Greenpeace is mostly taking the word of Chinese planners. (One brief line near the end admitting the data is "patchy." Plus, only a committed communist believes anything in a five-year plan.) There's no word on whether or not fossil fuels used for transportation are factored in (do a search on Chinese demand and use rates for automobiles of all kinds). And of course there's been some economic slowing in China, which tends to make folks tighten their belts in industry and their private consumption, which could reverse on a dime given the right circumstances.
Jaime SaldarriagaJune 4, 2016 2:06 pm
IPCC has created an ambiguity in the definition on Climate by introducing a different period of 20 years to the calssical period of 30 years in the definition of Climate.
JamesWimberleyJune 3, 2016 6:41 pm
"It has more in common with an iPhone than a coal mine.” No. It has more in common with a T-shirt than either. What we have is standard industrial products - wind turbines and solar panels - that can be made anywhere using readily available equipment, in factories that can be replicated indefinitely like textile mills. The United States produced 3,611 military aircraft in 1940. In 1944 it was 96,270. Mass production isn't pretty but boy, does it work.
@_environmentorJune 3, 2016 12:21 pm
I really don't think this is true - for a start, the environmental movement in Britain is far too strong nowadays. And whilst there's some truth to the 'defence in numbers' argument about negotiating as part of the EU rather than alone, the fact is that out of 196 countries in the world, only 28 are in the EU - yet the rest were all quite able to participate in the Paris COP21 climate talks... More on this here http://www.remsol.co.uk/will-brexit-hurt-our-approach-to-the-environment/
alastiJune 2, 2016 11:15 pm
The resolutions were failures, and the companies remain defiant. The likelihood of greater success in coming years is nil. The need for transformative change in these companies' practices is urgent. Even more "progressive" companies such as Total are continuing with large-scale exploration and development of new reserves, while putting token amounts of capital into renewables, and committing to not drill only where it's no longer financially feasible. There is no likelihood of Exxon, Chevron or the other majors "going private" in the foreseeable future, and even if that were to somehow happen, companies would still be subject to government regulation, were there to ever be any of such that resulted in large percentage of reserves being left unburned as is crucial for planetary habitability. Companies that are more likely to go private are those declaring bankruptcies, and hopefully no one's pension was dependent on those stocks. To the extent that NGOs want to continue with filing shareholder resolutions to emphasize the risks to which companies are putting their investors and citizens everywhere, that can be done with only $2000 in stock holdings. No one is advocating for these companies to "collapse"; it is their own practices which are heading them for some such outcome. Best if investors don't accompany them in that direction, especially not if doing so is in the vain hope of creating change with shareholder resolutions.
Elite59June 1, 2016 10:05 pm
Hawking has also said, that the sun is getting larger and hotter as it ages. So if this is true, is this the real cause of climate change?
Lakota ClearwaterJune 1, 2016 9:28 pm
You dismissed an entire field of science on the basis of the worst example of "logic" I've ever seen. Hint: there is often more than one cause for any given effect. Example: your ignorance isn't merely caused by your lack of a proper education, it's also caused by your self-concept as a right-wing redneck American. Your need to be validated by your peer group has an influence on your hillbilly stupidity, but merely removing the peer-group influence probably wouldn't change your mind, because you also need to be capable of processing new information and receiving that information in an unbiased manner. Not that I expect you to understand a word of what I've just written.
thetruthdetector6June 1, 2016 5:59 pm
Really so more ice at both poles is wrong? http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/ http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/09/why-is-antarctic-sea-ice-at-record-levels-despite-global-warming http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/ice_core_co2.html 800K years of ice cores Greenland has gained 300 ft of new ice since 1942 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_Girl
DarraghJune 1, 2016 5:14 pm
Good points on Fossil fuel subsidies, environmental goods and the WTO-Paris interface. But the article fails to actually address any of the criticisms it refers to at the outset, simply stating "Trade matters for growth, for job creation and for poverty reduction—and it matters for our environment too". Would have expected a stronger case to be made given the bold headline.
mariobros77May 31, 2016 9:22 pm
There’s no doubt that activity of mankind has a huge impact on mother earth but there is still a chance for us, we can repair what we’ve made. For the start one good news, we’ve got a lot of time to the next Ice Age ;) http://blog.pulawy.com/en/the-next-ice-age-postponed-by-50000-years/
Dave HuntsmanMay 30, 2016 7:31 pm
Good for them. But that still leaves Exxon and Chevron, et al, with its current control of the US Congress in terms of energy and environmental policy, going in the opposite direction. And if science-denier Trump wins, it will totally pull the US out of the fight - and the Paris agreement with it, as far as major players India and China are concerned. That's why it is so critical that the evil which the Republican party has become in 2016, must be defeated; not just for America's sake, but for the world's sake.
Saleemul HuqMay 30, 2016 4:23 pm
A possible solution to move money quickly (but still maintaining fiduciary standards) to where it is needed most would be for the GCF to fund the adaptation projects that have already been approved in many of the Least Developed Countries (LDCs) waiting for funding at the LDC Fund or the approved adaptation projects at the Adaptation Fund (AF). These are all ready-to-go projects that have already been vetted and approved but the LDCF and AF have no money to fund them.
Burl HenryMay 30, 2016 1:13 pm
The irony is that ExxonMobil has nothing to do with Global Warming. It is all a side effect of the EPA's (and other global entities) efforts to clean the air by reducing SO2 emissions.. Google: "It's SO2, not CO2". Unfortunate, but true.
PhilipMay 28, 2016 9:09 pm
This is obvious and common sense. There is no need for expert advise I would think?
Mary VMay 28, 2016 5:31 pm
A thorough scientific study of the Arctic environment should have been mandatory before we allowed Shell to do any exploring. We do not even know what is there or what we will lose when we let the oil companies "have at it
JamesWimberleyMay 28, 2016 11:39 am
I would like to hear this performed by people who know how to sing and recorded on equipment more sophisticated than a smartphone.
JoelMay 28, 2016 8:35 am
I agree it would be nice if the oil & gas majors diversified but you are asking people to bet their retirement savings on this happening. Given the short timescales involved with climate change now that doesn't seem like prudent financial advice, particularly as you say yourself engagement is likely to have minimal effect again this year (given that most oil and gas majors will spend more on exploration than renewables).
WillMay 28, 2016 8:13 am
A "keep it simple" mechanism is necessary for a rich - poor climate agreement. Countless meetings and summits has shown immense complexity preventing any immediate actionable agreement among rich and poor nations to lower CO2 to safe levels, which should be the first priority - safety. There has been too much rhetoric, obfuscation, collusion, selfishness, delaying tactics, incompetence and laziness - all undesirable human traits. Each carried its own price - inaction in the face of calamity. What can we do, when heatwaves could reach 54C in 10 years, in India, Australia, Middle East, Arizona etc. This year heatwaves reached 51C in India during the daytime and 43C at nighttime. To "keep it simple", three UN Divisions of Finance Providers - Technology Providers - Technology recipients should be organized, cooperating voluntarily. Based on transparently accounted finance available from Finance Providers for CO2 mitigation and urgent adaptation needs, Technology Providers and Technology recipients can get to work immediately.
ChrisMay 27, 2016 2:59 pm
Great article Saleem. I am a climate scientist working in Africa and you have summarized my feelings quite well on the "parachuting in then buggering off" type of engagement typical of (hopefully) well-intentioned organizations. As Lisa suggests perhaps the solution lies in a type of hybrid mode of capacity development where there is a formal "academic" course, perhaps something equivalent to a M.BA. or an M.Phil. that has trans-disciplinary components as well as something that helps develop the "professional" sector. Grey - where has you university experience been? Most of my university-based climate and impacts colleagues cannot access papers pay-walled by the publishing houses so being able to read papers is a luxury. Also we have to be engaged at the grass roots because so much of our interest is around "subsistence" agriculture so I think we are not as removed from reality as you suggest. Lastly (and facetiously) most of our ivory has been poached and smuggled off the continent so ivory towers are few and far between. I do, however, sympathize with your views on the insane bureaucracy within a university, it really is painful and would add the bureaucracy imposed by the funder is usually similarly tedious. Having said all that I do think that generally our (African) governments have not come to the party in any meaningful way. That I have to rely on SIDA/IDRC/USAID to fund the development of African scientists in Africa is inexcusable. So I am grateful for the financial assistance from these institutions, I just wish they would work with us and not have us work for them.
Robin_GuenierMay 27, 2016 8:38 am
So, on the one hand, we have Trump - who is supposed not to believe in dangerous climate change - concerned that rising sea levels could endanger one of his golf courses: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-climate-change-golf-course-223436. And, on the other, we have the Chinese - who are supposed to believe in dangerous climate change - spending billions constructing low-lying islands in the South China Sea: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/30/world/asia/what-china-has-been-building-in-the-south-china-sea.html?_r=0
Geoff WalesMay 27, 2016 3:21 am
Desperate much? Al Gore is not a climate scientist. Record low ice right now is a fact, More than likely the Arctic will be effectively ice free in Summer in less than a decade.
veggiegrrrlMay 27, 2016 12:47 am
near term human extinction by 2030?
Kirk BrentMay 26, 2016 9:41 pm
To those that think this is utter nonsense, don't go crying to anyone when the shit hits the fan. When that tornado rips through your house or the record breaking heatwave kills off your entire family or that massive hurricane tears through your city,.... just take it like the man you pretend to be.
Bart_RMay 26, 2016 9:04 pm
The subject of articles like this is one of the most frequently and unfairly attacked topics in climatology by people harboring clearly malicious intentions. Going beyond those like Tony Heller who rehash old fibs about Al Gore's 2007 Nobel acceptance speech, where he alluded to projections from the US Navy of its added expenses due needing to prepare for rapid Arctic Ice change as soon as 2014 (though the expected zero of Arctic summer sea ice according to that speech was still 2029), to those who believe the lies and those who use the lies for political advantage as dogwhistling cues to groupthink, we have to ask how to address such serious issues without attracting these gadflies? To me, it's simple: associate the observation with the theory, and through the theory to the cause, which is fossil waste byproduct dumping; thence address the real cause: failure to make dumpers pay a disposal fee. With this connection clearly stated as a necessary logical consequence of observations, we move the discussion to solution, away from mere invitation to bandwagon jumpers.
René EbacherMay 26, 2016 6:14 pm
Hey Steve, why don't you share with us your own scientific data?
Smoky JoeMay 26, 2016 4:45 pm
A friend told me about holding climate change signs at the entrance to parking for the Exxon shareholder meeting and having a driver call him a "loser." He then realized that the Exxon shareholder was absolutely right. Everyone in the world is a "loser" when Exxon bullies us. The next driver told my friend to "bite me." That succinctly summarizes the attitude of Exxon shareholders towards those they bully. No wonder Exxon is called the public enemy number one.
dicksonatorMay 26, 2016 11:26 am
Al Gore said that really? He's a climate scientist now is he? You think the arctic sea ice is doing dine do you? Think the weather this summer will make up for the record loss so far this year? Based on what information exactly? Slide on; you're just another ignorant denier without the mental capacity for rational logical thought. It's great to just contradict true scientists without a sliver of information or understanding. No, your 'opinion' is worthless without something to back it up.
JoelMay 26, 2016 10:32 am
I agree it would be nice if the oil & gas majors diversified but you are asking people to bet their retirement savings on this happening. Given the short timescales involved with climate change now that doesn't seem like prudent financial advice, particularly as you say yourself engagement is likely to have minimal effect again this year (given that most oil and gas majors will spend more on exploration than renewables).
Bob BinghamMay 26, 2016 6:36 am
I bet that you will not be around at the end of the summer to say how stupid you are.
William JohnstonMay 26, 2016 4:21 am
Hawking, like Sagan are relying on faulty information, known in the computer world as GIGO, that is "garbage in, garbage out." Hawking admits the climate is changing and has for thousands, if not millions of years, however to blame mankind is faulty information. Our sun creates all our climate, always has, always will. H2O is a more heat absorbing gas, than any other in our atmosphere. Those white puffy things in the sky is not methane, CO2 nor nitrogen, it water vapor...H2O. Short of an atomic war, our planet is safe for mankind for thousands of years or until an atomic war, stricken by a large asteroid or as mentioned by "wakeup," the inevitable explosion of our sun. Get over yourself, humans are not that effective.
Barbara A. SmithMay 26, 2016 1:24 am
So what if Gore's predictions were a few years' off? It will be ice-free sooner or later, so Gore is essentially correct.
Jerry SimonMay 25, 2016 11:53 pm
OK. But why do you say it'll turn out as nonsense? Has snowmelt NOT started at the earliest date yet in 73 years? Are polar bears NOT having to make their decisions about how to move and where to go on thinner ice pack that’s mostly first-year ice? Would an early spring NOT impact wildlife and tundra plants? Did temperatures in Alaska NOT hit 11C above average this winter? In December was there NO storm that sent what experts described as a “pulse” of heat to the region, spiking mercury from -30C to freezing? Do satellite photos from mid-May NOT depict an early sea-ice breakup with an ominous series of openings, known as leads, extending deep into the Arctic? Which of these is nonsense? All of them? Or just one? Which one? Do tell. Really: do tell. It's important. So tell me why I DON'T have to lie awake worrying about what the future holds for my children and grandchildrem. Please, Steve Goddard. If you know: share.
Gordon IngramMay 25, 2016 9:39 pm
Source?
Jon KirwanMay 25, 2016 8:43 pm
Oh, get off it, Steve. Al Gore is just your favorite (and completely irrelevant) strawman. He's not a climate scientist and doesn't represent anyone but himself. Never has. Certainly not the state of science knowledge, which luckily is open and stands independent of any one man or woman. You are free to have your own very weak methods of thinking about things. But others aren't so terribly hampered as you, it seems. The facts to check would be those stated in the article. Such as: (1) "snowmelt has started at the earliest date yet in 73 years"; or, (2) "arctic sea ice levels are on a course to hit a new record low"; or, (3) "temperatures in Alaska hit 11C above average this winter." For those actually interested in what Al Gore did say, google up 'arctic sea ice al gore prediction' and look at the truth-out dot org article on it. Not that it matters to the science. But it further undermines Steve's credibility and memory.
Faiyaz PashaMay 25, 2016 8:34 pm
This is bygone technology; the new technology is different; For starter, for plants already in operation, run the Plant like you are doing, but divert all flue gases even as they are coming out of the turbines to a Special Distillation Plant which distills any of the following four waters, Raw, Polluted, Effluent & Ocean. The distilled water after minerals are added becomes potable and could be used anywhere & everywhere. There would be still simmering heat which could be used for drying purposes, particularly Bio-mass or for District heating. Once the hot gases come down to ambient temperature, they are Liquefied and what you get is the components of the Gas, Liquid Nitrogen, Liquid Carbon & Liquid Oxygen which are sold as fertilizers, industrial & other inputs; Sulphur would have been extracted earlier before the gas enters into the Distillation tubes. This is later treated separately. Now all the products are commercial and bring in great profits; Electricity generation becomes free. And there is absolutely no pollution neither a gram or an ounce. The water, sulfur, sometimes Ammonia, Liquid Nitrogen, Liquid Carbon & Liquid Oxygen are all Flue gas products and we call them FGH (Flue Gases Harvest). The Electricity is Free & Clean; the Power Plant is rich & prosperous.
Faiyaz PashaMay 25, 2016 6:02 pm
The Paris Agreement is still incomplete. The modalities and methodologies are yet to come and need to be accepted 'by the Conference of the Parties serving as the meeting of the Parties to the Paris Agreement at its first session' It is here that you may get the details. Right now, as it stands, you will not find anywhere anything about any fuel. But they have created such a scare about fossil fuels, particularly coal, that many countries are passing legislation scoring out use of the fuels. Mr.Obama is a great champion of this cause; his Clean Power bill is held in abeyance by the Court.
randomMay 25, 2016 4:41 pm
He said it could be ice free not would be ice free and if he misses it by 2 years he did get it pretty close
ΘωμαςMay 25, 2016 3:42 pm
What? Corporate responsibility?
bjelarMay 25, 2016 3:23 pm
Rubbish. This is the exact quote: "Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years." That's hardly the same as your claim, that Al Gore "said the Arctic would be ice free in 2014." In other words, we don't have to wait three months to see what utter nonsense your comment was.
Duncan NobleMay 25, 2016 3:05 pm
A good example of a serious corporate response to climate change. We need more like this. Every company should be thinking deeply about how climate change will affect them and be developing a response that is resilient to various likely scenarios.
Nick CowernMay 25, 2016 2:03 pm
Or not... who want to take the risk?
S HerbMay 25, 2016 11:39 am
Now that the terms are known, including the 3$B hit, have there been any articles comparing this to the Swedish Greenpeace proposal for an organized and social shutdown of the plant with end-point 2030? I.e. might the financial resources needed have been within reach?
KeithyMay 25, 2016 10:55 am
Wow, let us sew confusion for a few paper profits ... That'll impress all the ladies responsible for the human race!
HopsgegangenMay 24, 2016 10:03 pm
Climate change is real, regardless of whether Al Gore says stupid things. If you're wrong, will you check back to apologize?
Paul HodgsonMay 24, 2016 6:18 pm
the sea ice in the Arctic has seen increased melting due to increased wave action, that wasn't in the earlier models. Having worked on an ice breaking oil tanker in the Arctic. the squalls that blow through are quite something, spray blowing over the top of the ships stacks, with chunks of ice the size of pick-up trucks bouncing around. The ice expert on board told me anything bigger than a piano could sink us. This was 1986.
Dano2May 24, 2016 3:50 pm
No he didn't. You are fibbing. Best, D
Steve GoddardMay 24, 2016 3:39 pm
Al Gore also said the Arctic would be ice free in 2014. Check back in three months to see what utter nonsense this article was.
Pimar SoletMay 24, 2016 7:09 am
"But God made the earth by his power; he founded the world by his wisdom and stretched out the heavens by his understanding." Jeremiah 10:12 God made all by science! Not through miracles as religious preachers falsely claim. Let us stick to God who made everything by science, thanks!
IcepilotMay 24, 2016 3:37 am
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) & Photosynthesis are the foundation of Life on Earth. Plants/plankton turn Sunlight/CO2 into Food/Oxygen. Neither animal nor blade of grass would exist, absent CO2. Increasing CO2 lengthens growing seasons & encourages plants to move higher in altitude & Latitudes; just as it helps to shrink deserts, plants using water more efficiently. Rising temperatures also lengthen growing seasons, help babies of nearly every species, increase net rainfall & save lives; because cold kills. The Earth is greener, more fertile & life sustaining than it was 40 years ago.
bradfreggerMay 23, 2016 4:54 pm
So what? This activity by Japan and the US will essentially do nothing to enable catastrophic global warming. Take your head out of the sand a begin to see reality instead of the fantasy world you've been living in.
WillMay 23, 2016 3:21 pm
Opportunities exist now for big oil companies. Not in CCS or BE-CCS (economically speculative and too far in the future), but in pure photosynthetic, biological removal of excess atmospheric CO2 to safe levels. Witness the heatwaves now reaching 51C in India due to excessive CO2. What temperatures in 10 years? Excess CO2 can be sequestered as wood and vegetation during the next 15 years until renewables and net-zero emissions are able to keep CO2 at safe levels. A global drive by big oil companies to grow forest and fruit trees to absorb CO2 will directly lower CO2 levels, plus counter food security concerns. Sounds trivial? its not. Fruit is a high energy and carbohydrate source for nourishment, more valuable than straight staples. An enormous variety of fruit and nut trees exist, some highly resistant to insect attack. Dried fruit can be stored and used as food for a long time.
poohMay 23, 2016 7:49 am
Something is better than nothing. Why can't you just appreciate all other advantage. ? Even it solves problem to little extent we need to accept it. If Only you can come up with 20% of the problem's solution then you make sense by accusing them.
theno1katzmanMay 23, 2016 12:58 am
18.5% brazilian ranforest that is 14. that's a 77 coded lie. so of course i don't believe the police are really going around trying to get these gangs who have camouflage chainsaws and do it under cloud cover to hide from "Satellites" this is so bogus. nice story though. there are criminals out there and they are in no need to hide. they are just going to keep destroying it. they say they cut back on destroying. no actually the old growth is probably gone. and they cant do anything with tiny little trees that are only a few inches wide having "regrown" ridiculous
Faiyaz PashaMay 22, 2016 12:58 pm
What are we trying to do? Avert Climate change disasters or achieve gender equality? Only capable people should take up the challenge, no matter if only women can do it. We should readily agree to that. But the experience so far has been very bad. Basic fallacies exist and drive the Paris Agreement. And with such fallacies, achieving SDGs is not possible forget about empowering technologies. Who is responsible for that? The outgoing Executive Secretary of the UNFCCC or the UN Secretary General?
Reda GreenwoodMay 22, 2016 3:06 am
Thought-provoking comments ! I am thankful for the analysis , Does someone know where my assistant might be able to acquire a sample a form version to edit ?
agelbertMay 22, 2016 2:47 am
And we KNOW WHY administrations of Manitoba and Saskatchewan are proving "skeptical" (LOL!) of the climate agenda. FOLLOW the fossil fuel Industry funder Liars and Deniers 'R' US money.
Gayle ColemanMay 21, 2016 9:13 am
My husband and I have been reading and listening to lectures by scientists about this. It is absolutely frightening and makes me very sad. We have a 10 year old son. How do I tell him we are on the edge of extinction?? I keep saying "Well, we have to keep hope that there will be an answer", knowing in my heart it is coming far too late, if at all.
Lisa SchipperMay 20, 2016 4:46 am
This is a good article, Saleem. I agree with the importance of capacity building, and definitely think it is more than just a one-off training course. At the very least, there needs to be a practical dimension to it as well. However, I also think the point made by Grey below has merit - what you learn in a University class is not always practical. I think it needs to be clear exactly what sort of capacity building you are referring to. For example, you can give a fantastic course on concepts, which everyone wants to understand. But what is the purpose - Is it understanding concepts so that tools and policies can be used and formulated, or is it understanding concepts in order to carry out research projects? But I also think the idea that 'capacity building is development' is inaccurate. Capacity building is certainly a necessary step for development, but it is not an end on its own. So I do agree with Saleem's critique that money thrown at consultants to carry out a few training courses is a dodgy thing. But maybe what we need is a hybrid model between single training courses and entire degree programmes? I certainly know of a few such examples already out there.
Zosha123May 19, 2016 2:55 pm
Could be too late to act on climate change? THEN ALLOW SCIENCE TO SAY IT'S AS REAL AS SMOKING CAUSING CANCER & end the debate before it's too late to say it! What's worse, a comet hit? CO2EnvironMENTALism It's safe to say that after 35 years of climate action delay; CO2 is the new Y2K²
Fatima M Pereira da SilvaMay 19, 2016 2:03 pm
Hello, The title suggests that there is a new bad situation in regard to the environmental laws in Brasil. Not true, these are just just a progression of Roussef adminstration own legislation. Please find out how much her government protected the mining industry by not applying financial sanctions and exercising minimum environmental surveillance which directly caused the Mariana disaster. One could also investigate how her party has been promoting the desertification of the Amazon forest by granting associated mega cattle business with subsidies and credits. Roussef and PT (her party) not only have been far from being a model but have actually actively promoted the greatest destruction of the Amazonian ecosystem by imposing, against any opposition, the implantation of Belo Monte dam.
Robert MuirMay 19, 2016 12:03 pm
Let's rewind. Ontario Government has said this program is partly to mitigate extreme weather and floods. But But Environment Canada verified no significant change in rainfall events over decades: http://www.cityfloodmap.com/2015/07/storm-intensity-not-increasing-old.html CBC has corrected their earlier reporting on storm trends as a result of these facts: http://www.cityfloodmap.com/2015/10/bogus-statements-on-storms-in-cbcnewsca.html Don't "Blame it on the Rain" like MiIli Vanilli because there are other factors that quantitatively explain increasing flood damages in Ontario as in my letter to the Minister: http://www.cityfloodmap.com/2015/08/letter-to-ontario-minister-of.html Evidence-based policies require us to check facts: “There will still be times when someone accuses us of having lost our way, of having chosen the wrong priorities, and I know that can be hard to hear. But in moments in great and important choice, when the stakes are high, and the consequences are long-lasting, we have to test our assumptions.” Premier Kathleen Wynne, AGM, June 6, 2015 Now is a good time. The insurance industry has been off base for several years on rainfall facts and is WAY out of step with Environment Canada data. Milli Vanilli's step aside: http://www.cityfloodmap.com/2015/11/milli-vanilli-blame-it-on-rain.html The GO Train rail line has flooded for centuries and decades as reported in the flood inquiry report to Premier Davis (Keating Channel dredging is behind schedule): http://www.cityfloodmap.com/2015/07/go-train-flooding-not-new-1981-inquiry.html Its time to start connecting to dots on climate change and have Ontario graduate from infographics and spin, and to real science and real evidence based policy: http://www.cityfloodmap.com/2015/07/connecting-dots-on-climate-change-100.html Premier Kathleen Wynne and Ontario Minsiters of the Environment and Climate Change, Natural Resources, Infrastructure, Municipal Affairs and Housing, its time to 'slow down the thinking' on extreme weather (a la Daniel Kahneman) and overcome heuristic biases: http://www.cityfloodmap.com/2015/11/thinking-fast-and-slow-about-extreme.html The Ontario Chamber of Commerce should demand that Ontario govenment look at he big picture and misstatements on cliamte change impacts. If it did, it would realize that it should be investing in Design Standard Adaptation and funding municipalities to address flood risks, and not be tilting to windmills (err.. turbines) as a means of Climate Change Mitigation - detailed analysis of flood causes supports a more focused and rational approach to flood issues in Ontario: http://www.cityfloodmap.com/2016/04/design-standard-adaptation-vs-climate.html
billMay 18, 2016 3:14 pm
I read that cattle are a major source of methane emissions, but there are less cattle than there were buffalo roaming our country 150 years ago. Did buffalo not emit methane or manure? Crazy greens!
JamesWimberleyMay 18, 2016 2:10 pm
It takes two to negotiate, or in this case 195. There cannot be a renegotiation. At worst President Trump could simply cancel Obama's acceptance of the Paris Agreement by the US government. (This withdrawal would only become effective in four years.) Like the schoolyard joke: what goes 99-clunk? A centipede with a wooden leg. Would other countries delay ratification if they expected an American exit, or scale back their NDCs? It's had to see what advantage they would gain by this.
Kiran TompkinsMay 18, 2016 1:36 pm
Something needs to be done about climate change. So many aspects of life are being negatively affected by the natural reactions to changing temperature. That is not to say that the climate change is natural, caused by El Niño as some people say, because although that torrential current has been around for possibly thousands of years, this migration is clearly a new phenomenon.
GrayMay 17, 2016 2:47 pm
With apologies to all the great academics I know I have one major objection to this and that is my own personal experience with universities. I have done my time in academia having both completed an MSc and done much consulting for various universities. What I have learned is that academics very rarely make good real world practitioners. They are great at reading and writing papers based on what they've read, but exist in ivory towers that isolate them from real world experience. Also, universities are intensely bureaucratic and cannot match the dynamism or efficiency of specialist consultants who have on the ground, local experience.
AndrewMay 17, 2016 11:02 am
Please understand that methane emissions from ruminants are somewhat abated by the sequestration of atmospheric carbon dioxide during photosynthesis of the grasses they consume. Therefore net emissions rather than gross are what need to be targeted.
Nathan CoppedgeMay 14, 2016 11:52 pm
An even better option may be staring people in the face at Wikimedia Commons. It is a free energy device that I have not built, but I fully believe it works. It involves changing the amount of effective weight applied on a lever in a chain reaction. See the diagram: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Differential_Angularity_(2).jpg
about_faceMay 13, 2016 9:32 am
Wonder what kind of power is used in Telsa mega battery plant - fossil / nuclear / renewables?
WillMay 13, 2016 6:33 am
Question for Erik Solheim on resource efficiency. Do buildings in cities need all their bright lights on at night? Airports, hospitals, police stations, insecure localities etc. should be lit of course. About to land at any major city at night, one sees the enormous carpet of lights and large amounts of energy used, some wasted. How much savings in global CO2 emissions/year if all cities adopt CO2 emission savings by switching off unnecessary lighting?
about_faceMay 13, 2016 1:08 am
Clearing land by burning was a practice of local farmers with small plots of land. When you have acres upon acres, industrial scale plantations, Indonesian government ministers insensitive, indifferent and blatantly protect plantation owners that are perpetrators of the slash and burn, should be called into question. As a net importer of oil and at the same time releasing tonnes of energy into the atmosphere by these land clearing operations, Indonesia seems not to be too bothered with the country's well being.
DachMay 13, 2016 12:32 am
Well, yes, because the billions of people who don't have access to the aggressive dietary supplementation required to sustain a vegan diet would die off. This would cause the necessary population decrease that is the true root of almost all of our civilization's problems.
alastiMay 12, 2016 9:36 pm
Even the more "progressive" of fossil-fuel companies are doing far more with their rhetoric and branding than they are with actual effective transitioning actions, and even the more progressive of fund managements (virtually all of them) are enabling that with their "engagements." Until there are commitments to the transformative changes which are essential to planetary habitability, we need divorces due to irreconcilable differences, not engagements.
David MuscatMay 12, 2016 6:48 pm
The Easiest one.... State a Zero Gate Fee and leave it at that.
David MuscatMay 12, 2016 6:47 pm
James you are correct and the reasoning is commercial rather than environmental. In the current statements the issue is free water content. So if you look at the Worl Bank documents about Waste to Energy in its own words - World Bank Technical guidance Report Municipal Solid Waste Incineration - you will find that it specifically agrees with the facts that it is not suitable in developing countries where the free water content is so high. Bear in mind that this document was written in 1999 and was signed off by Incineration Companies and Consulting Engineers and Finance Groups. The obvious way the incineration companies get around this issue is to state that their programmes work effectively in a commercila world because they require such huge subsidies. That being the case this was why that most awful project in Dublin in the Ringsend project was awarded when the quantity of waste to be treated was agreed to be 600,000 tonnes per year (originally it was posted as being over 880,000 tonnes per year) and a Capital cost of €550,000,000 - yep €550 Million/ US $630+ Million in a country that cannot afford such a proposal. So now they will have to pay the company that is the builder and operator €83-00 [ $97-00] per tonne for ever to operate the programme and the City and Area will have to pay the €55 Million/ $63 Million each year (this is the equivalent of 600,000 tonnes at €83-33 per tonne) even if the quantity of MSW drops as is most likely. Imagine the thought that in 10 years time when the treatment capacity drops to 300,000 tonnes per year the tax payers would still pay the €50 million/ $58 million. Further more there is a secret agreement also in place whereby the Government will be bailing out the incineration company Covanta by taking on the liability of treating the toxic residues estimated as being nearly 125,000 tonnes per year in a cost of €300-00 per tonne [ie €37.5 million/ $ 43 million] in a sweet-heart deal to soften the blow of treating toxic residues in the waste gases and ashes that have been declared to be the most toxic in any treatment process. All this is totally unecessay as an equivalent of turning the waste in Dublin to Bio-Ethanol was offered from Europe at €140 Million and did not require a gate fee and promised a EBIT at over €10 per month with a pay off time for its development of just 5 years. AD is an option but it still needs subsidising. However the better option in AD is the super-efficient AD process I have seen which doubles the output of Methane reduces the total digestion time to 2 days and makes four times as much money by the nethane being cleaned to 99.7+% as a Diesel Fuel blended mixture, and for the Carbon Dioxide to be collected and turned in to Methanol and Hydrogen Fuels.
David MuscatMay 12, 2016 6:06 pm
Sounds odd that the discussion here whould be looking at turning the organic waste into a Biofuel - possibly Ethanol maybe Butanol and also a potential Liquefied Methane. A proposal was offered to Delhi in 2012 which would have addressed taking in up to 10,000 tonnes per day of organic wastes derived from MSw and Foods which when accounting for the high water content you have stated would have made around 550+ Million liters of ethanol a year with the output optimised within four years from the start, has been given a budget cost to build in India at €356.75 million and a IRR of over 47% with an EBIT of €30 Million a month was ignored even though the audit confirmed that this was correct. If Mr Shibu K Nair you had this available for discussion then you should present this to the Delhi Municipal Government and Mr Prime Minister Modl since this is far far lower than the costs for incineration/gasification which was given as being over €900 Million for the same scheme.
Tom GrayMay 12, 2016 2:32 pm
I've responded to EIA tweets a couple of times recently. You can see one of their tweets, and my response, here: https://twitter.com/eiagov/status/707274949690437633
Divest Invest EuropeMay 12, 2016 12:49 pm
Thanks for a fairly well balanced argument, Ed. I would suggest a couple of points have been missed though. The initial question was "Does divestment slow or speed green growth?" and this hasn't really been addressed by Desfosses or McNabb - selling fossil fuel shares means investors can invest directly in climate solutions. investing in a pure play renewable company means close to 100% of that investment going to making renewables happen. whereas investment in eg Total leads to only c.1% of your investment actually going to renewables. For green growth therefore, divest invest unequivocally is more effective than waiting for the "supertankers" to turn. An additional point; you were right to draw a distinction between Desfosses' and McNabb's strategies. Unlike Vanguard, ERAFP use the threat of divestment to generate leverage for their asks. So divestment is still the strategy, it's just being used in a slightly different way. Finally, if investors do decide against divestment immediately, we need to see clear KPIs for their engagement strategy; eg if fossil fuel companies don;t show enough progress after intense engagement over a year, they should divest.
Matt BeerMay 12, 2016 10:52 am
Yes. But can't we have both??? I've been working in this space for a while and frankly unless it is simple and boiled down to 30 seconds or less (and ultimately on the TV all the time) these messages are probably never really going to really penetrate into the public conscious in any real way. While governments may like reports I think we have more than enough already. If we as a climate community don't get serious about communications and start prioritising it to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars then structural changes needed like a serious revenue neutral carbon tax will continue to be a political fantasy. We have to give a lot of talented people the time and space to come up with and test messages to find out what resonates. Ed Hawkins info-graphic is a beautiful illustration of what is possible. But something like it still needs to be put in front of the general public on a regular basis for it to sink in (think long term anti-smoking or road safety TV advertising campaigns). This is where the battle is at people and where it will be lost. ( that's my frustrated rant over :D )
jn2222May 12, 2016 5:03 am
Sanders is correct on climate change; we need a WW2 type implementation. I don't think Clinton gets the severity of the situation which I find odd because she is very smart on so many other topics.
Robin_GuenierMay 11, 2016 7:58 pm
"... 2C, the upper threshold governments agreed in Paris" No it wasn't. Article 2.1. (a) of the Paris text is about an aim, not an agreement. And, in any case, that aim must be read in the context of Article 4. 4. This provides that developing countries (responsible for about 70 percent of global emissions) are merely “encouraged to move over time towards economy-wide emission reduction or limitation targets …”. In other words, countries may have aspired to a 2ºC upper threshold - but they didn't agree to one. Are we "getting close to solving climate change"? Er ... unlikely.
Anamika AgarwalMay 11, 2016 12:36 pm
Lets see if India achieves the goal of 100GW of Solar Power. That would really be good if we achieve this. Many solar companies in India like Tata Power, AgniSolar etc are taking initiative to spread the knowledge and importance of Solar energy.
DoRightThingMay 11, 2016 9:30 am
Anything that helps to spread awareness and defeat those that want to keep the population uninformed in order to protect their profits, is good. The Arctic Death Spiral also went viral a couple of years ago, but I'm not sure how much effect it had in the big picture. http://haveland.com/share/arctic-death-spiral.jpg
Stephen HintonMay 10, 2016 11:38 am
The problem with taxation is that is takes money out of the economy, effectively raising prices as the fee is passed on to consumers. Fior a tax to be a deterrent, to get people off coal, people need to have money to buy alternatives. The clean fund does not fulfill this. Behaviour changing fees should be repaid back to taxpayers. For more on this see the article here. It covers phosphorus but the principles are the same. https://stephenhinton.org/2016/03/04/opinion-put-a-price-on-phosphorus-now-and-drive-circularity/
Jack WolfMay 9, 2016 11:04 pm
I'm tired of games... He's concerned about damage to his campaign by talking about reality and the horrific dangers we face? People are dying, you know, Mr. T. Ignoring an issue as large as this doesn't speak well for your leadership qualities. It's simple - keep the darn stuff in the ground, and move people out of harms way as impacts continue to unfold and worsen.
Mario Robles VieiraMay 8, 2016 12:10 pm
Good to make the point that we are responsible for the anthropological effect on earth. Let us stick to science please, thanks!
tadchemMay 6, 2016 3:53 pm
Climate skepticism is now a bastion against tyranny. Those who demand economy-breaking 'climate action', despite it's total futility, are resorting to tyrannical and Inquisition-like tactics to stifle disagreement and dissent. It is as contrary to the Bill of Rights and the International Bill of Human Rights as is the text of the Quran.
Robin_GuenierMay 6, 2016 12:05 pm
... the World Bank president, Jim Yong Kim, noted that countries in south and south-east Asia were on track to build hundreds more coal-fired power plants in the next 20 years – despite promises made at Paris to cut greenhouse gas emissions ...
It's remarkable how so many senior public officials in the West seem not to understand what was agreed in Paris.** According to the Agreement, developing countries (responsible for about 70 percent of greenhouse gas emissions, and including all the countries in south-east and south Asia mentioned above) are exempted from any obligation (legal or moral) to cut their emissions. For example, under Article 4.4., they are merely "encouraged to move over time towards economy-wide emission reduction or limitation targets …". Their overriding priority was confirmed as economic development and poverty elimination. In other words, the actions these countries are taking are wholly compatible with the Paris Agreement. So why is anyone surprised? ** See this for example: http://chn.webxost.com/2016/04/29/no-time-for-complacency-as-paris-climate-deal-moves-to-action/
Wally KowalskiMay 5, 2016 11:54 pm
The thermal expansion of the Earth's crust due to a fraction of a degree temperature increase will cause miles of expansion around the circumference. The top crust will slide over the lower, constant-temperature crust, and voila! Earthquakes and volcanoes will increase exponentially, as they have for decades.
HopsgegangenMay 5, 2016 10:55 pm
Of course they will change. They are already changing. The Pine Bark Beetle is killing off vast areas that will likely be replaced with deciduous trees.
Flame BoarMay 3, 2016 3:45 pm
Please provide the links for your claims. 150 tons of emissions = one more human death CO2 will keep heating the earth for 300-900 years Thank you.
Ramesh MatMay 3, 2016 6:04 am
The World Bank has classified a railway project in India as "green" because it would take vehicles off the roads! If an institution like the World Bank employs such convoluted logic to cheat developing countries out of green funding, you can imagine the fate of the planet!
PaulK2May 2, 2016 6:27 pm
Roll up your sleeves. Form the implementation committee. Form the engineering committee. What solar/wind products do we need to develop? Who is already on it? Look for merit and work with the problems, as opposed to seeking a 100% chance of success, not a huge research department. Are they stuck because there's no money whatsoever? What private money is available? Matthew 25:25 -- The third servant said, "Here is your talent of money, master, safe and sound. I buried it in the ground."
derrickMay 2, 2016 5:51 pm
cool
JonMay 2, 2016 5:29 pm
"Most of us" is still a generalization that speaks for others rather than yourself.
ikanlumbaMay 1, 2016 9:39 am
I would like to suggest these articles as supplement to the above: The Fat Lady Sings for Oil - Saudi is Leaving Oil In the Ground Fossil fuel has reached the end of its life cycle. Saudi Arabia has realized oil biz is dying and has announced exit strategy https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fat-lady-sings-oil-saudi-leaving-ground-michael-frank Half the worlds crude oil production is being used for transportation, equal to about 7,950,000,000 liter fuel - daily... Having in mind average age for cars on the roads is about 11 years. With the introduction and growth rates of non fossil vehicles the fossil that number will get much smaller. But oil companies are not following the macro trends in the market. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fossil-fuel-phased-out-oil-companies-sitting-ducks-dont-frank
ZorroApril 30, 2016 3:30 pm
This is wishful thinking - there was no deal. There are no requirements to deliver binding CO2 cuts. China, India et al will rightly continue to lift themselves from poverty and by so doing increase emissions. All power to their collective elbows I say. They are laughing at you.
rlhailssrpeApril 30, 2016 4:16 am
Japan is in a box. They have denied themselves nuclear, after Fukushima, thus they survive off carbon combustion. They have a flat economy as a result of high energy costs and they are now being asked to cut back on their live line, carbon fuel. Their energy intense society has a problem. And they have a nut next door who keeps shooting missiles into the sea, and exploding A bombs. What energy technology should they pursue to survive until 2030? Good luck to them.
Robin_GuenierApril 29, 2016 2:13 pm
"a new international accord under which all countries will take action to limit their emissions" But, as I've pointed out several times on this blog, that isn't an accurate description of what was agreed in Paris. For example, Article 4. 4. of the Agreement provides that developing countries (responsible for about 70 percent of global emissions) are merely “encouraged to move over time towards economy-wide emission reduction or limitation targets …”. And the text contains much more material to the same effect. For more detail, see this article by David Campbell, Professor of contract law at Lancaster University: https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016/04/29/lord-turners-misleading-views-on-the-paris-agreement/#comment-68162 It's worrying that someone who is "climate change ambassador for France and a candidate to lead the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change" doesn't appear to understand what was agreed in Paris. As I say in my comment on Professor Campbell's article, the victors in Paris were in particular the Chinese and Indians who have secured everything they want – and especially their freedom from any obligation, legal or moral, to cut their emissions. And, as consummate negotiators, they seem to have achieved all this without the West, including it seems Professor Tubiana, even noticing.
GallilaoApril 28, 2016 10:12 pm
This s exactly the kind of nonsense, the crowdfunding campaign on the Generosity crowdfunding site is trying to end. The campaign is classified as an "other" category and called, "Save the World - Sue the IPCC" This lunacy is going to destroy our only real chance to thrive on this planet.
9.8m/ssApril 28, 2016 9:05 pm
Investors looking for "light green" are suckers for "carbon offset" related fraud. Why go through the disruption of actually modernizing your company's energy technology, when you can just throw a few bucks at a "biofuel" plantation someplace. It's not as if the ancient rainforest that was destroyed to put in the wood pellet or oil palm plantation is going to show up on your balance sheet...
STFNApril 28, 2016 1:16 pm
I agree. The ETS hasn't been successful in accomplishing this goal in Europe. Schemes like the one in California seem to be more successful, but I don't see the world as a whole using carbon trading as an effective climate action policy.
paasingbyApril 27, 2016 3:45 pm
poor old France, it is already in trouble financially and now wants to saddle business with more debt,
Aloysius FeketeApril 26, 2016 3:59 pm
The goal is admirable but Germany is behind other countries on CO2 reduction based on Edgar data: Edgar data for CO2 1999-2014: Germany -11% EU28 -16% UK -23% Energy is the largest portion of CO2 emissions, yet for Germany, it's just not happening:
gmarmotApril 26, 2016 3:08 pm
If you want to be realistic, 2030 is too late. Typical politicians: sign an agreement that puts off necessary work for another 14 years, so someone else can worry about it later.
Edward DaveyApril 26, 2016 9:38 am
Insh'Allah he is right!
Edward DaveyApril 26, 2016 9:36 am
An excellent piece on a vitally important subject. Congratulations to the organisers of the event and to the WHRC researchers.
one4AllApril 25, 2016 6:26 pm
Charles Koch did not ask for Clintons Opinion - He simply stated that of all the candidates of either party who are running for President; that Clinton would provide the least impediment to his kinds plans to Enslave the Remnants of Humanity after they cause the Destruction of the Rest
WillApril 25, 2016 4:05 pm
A commitment by decision makers to save critical time and hold warming to 1.5C - 2.0C would be national policy changes to carbon taxes and quick rollout of negative emission technologies and renewable technologies. As our Secretary General of UN said "We are running out of time" to solve the climate crisis.
climatehawk1April 25, 2016 1:54 pm
Thanks for the quick coverage. I urge use of the phrase "climate science denial" rather than "climate change denial" where feasible. I think its implications are more far-reaching and meaningful. MHO.
NP1April 25, 2016 11:44 am
I need to get my head around this. Saudi oil is finite. That much we know. Exactly when the oil will be depleted beyond the point of economic access, only the Saudis know, or can guess at. But it cannot be longer than 10-15 years. 20 years tops. Soooooo---The Saudis want to sell shares in an oil company wholly dependent on a finite resource for its ongoing viability. Am I missing a trick here?, Not just the Saudi economy, but the world economy, is entirely dependent on hydrocarbon production and usage. There is nothing else that makes the wheels of industry go round. Yet the saudis are insisting that by investing "elsewhere" their "economy" will still function in a world that has no viable oil supplies. Can somebody explain how this petromagic works? With the world economy in a no-oil tailspin, somehow the Saudi economy is going to remain unaffected as revenue continues to pour in from "elsewhere". And forget renewables---they deliver electricity. Electricity cannot replace hydrocarbon, and all renewable systems require a hydrocarbon infrastructure in which to function. The Saudis are locked to the culture of "more" just as we are, and like us, they don't recognise the danger in it. This is why I wrote the book--"the End of More" to drive home the dangers we face http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00D0ADPFY though it doesn't offer any solutions to the mess we're in.
Ravindra KumarApril 24, 2016 4:16 pm
In wide perspect, solar energy shall give a feelgood over coal. Go ahead.
Tom RadeckiApril 24, 2016 1:25 pm
I hope to do my part. I will be at next month's protest. This is really important. I already eat a vegan-chicken diet and purchase zero fossil fuels for any purpose. Global warming will be much worse than projected, which is already projected to be a massive disaster. Good scientists agree that have already blown any chance of limiting to a 2C temp rise. Arctic sea ice is at record lows and will very likely smash the 2012 record summer low. April is certain to be the warmest April in global history making 12 record months in a row. The rapid rise is temporarily slowing, but no scientist projected that this El Nino would be anything close to as bad as it has been. Hansen is definitely the best at projecting the future based upon a combination of scientific data on paleoclimates and our present warming. He is right that billions of human are almost certain to die this century. Any actions now will save some human and animal lives this century. Mike Berners-Lee estimates that every 150 tons of extra CO2 added to the atmosphere in 2016 will result in one more human death this century and keep on killing life on Earth for centuries to come. Every pound counts. I truly think about it in every thing I do, right down to using no tissues or paper towels and vacationing locally which is vastly more important that eating locally. Go EV now. Buy renewable electricity now. It's not that expensive. It's absolutely immoral for you and me to kill fellow humans just to save money. No beef or dairy now. No air travel. Fans, not AC. Better insulation, not fossil fuel heating. Vote Democrat.
jpastorApril 24, 2016 4:21 am
Why not International Anti-Corruption pact too! No or less corruption, better world climate. Fast and steady prosecution and jailing of corrupt leaders. I guess it is not possible... it would mean that most of the countries will replace leaders everyday!
Robin_GuenierApril 23, 2016 3:44 pm
Ed: have you read the text of the document that was agreed in Paris? In case not, it’s here: https://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2015/cop21/eng/l09r01.pdf. I ask this because your interpretation of that text – see What is the Paris Agreement? – is seriously misleading. The relevant provisions are found in Articles 2 and 4 on page 22. First, you say, “the deal commits countries to limit global warming to well below 2C”. But it doesn’t. Article 2.1. (a) is about an aim, not a commitment. Moreover, it’s an aim that has to be read (a) “in the context of sustainable development and efforts to eradicate poverty, …” – a reference back to the 1994 UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) that allows developing countries to give these issues overriding priority; and (b) taking into account Article 2.1 that says the “Agreement will be implemented to reflect … the principle of common but differentiated responsibilities …” – another reference back to the UNFCCC. Then you say, “Governments agreed to slash their use of fossil fuels to the extent that humans release ‘net zero’ emissions by the second half of the century”. But they didn’t. Article 4.1. also sets out an aim, not an agreement: “Parties aim to reach global peaking of greenhouse gas emissions as soon as possible … so as to achieve a balance between anthropogenic emissions by sources and removals by sinks of greenhouse gases in the second half of this century …”. Whatever that might mean (it's far from obvious), there's no reference there to ‘net zero’ emissions. Moreover, the provision goes on to say (again) that it has to be read “in the context of sustainable development and efforts to eradicate poverty”. And, in any case, both aims must also be read in the context of Article 4. 4. This provides that developing countries (responsible for about 70 percent of global emissions) are merely “encouraged to move over time towards economy-wide emission reduction or limitation targets …”. That's hardly, as you have it, an agreement “to slash their use of fossil fuels”!
Calamity_JeanApril 23, 2016 8:10 am
India is installing lots of wind turbines, and the wind blows all night. Also even if they won't start any more coal-burning power plants, I doubt that India will be tearing down any existing ones right away.
D GApril 22, 2016 8:17 pm
Seems like the pirates won.
Jasen AndersonApril 22, 2016 5:32 pm
Seriously?!
John WBApril 22, 2016 4:25 pm
Solar is a dead end technology.
sasboyApril 22, 2016 4:13 pm
India has enough solar energy resources to power its economy and electricity fully from the sun, as well as from the wind, hydroelectricity and biomass. The country should be aiming to fully wean itself off fossil fuels and try to aim to save the world from climate change and energy poverty simultaneously.
WillApril 21, 2016 3:50 am
A deeply troubling, dangerous view held by decision makers in leading economies is that by applying technology, increasing climate impacts can be turned back in a few decades. This is definitely not the case! Global climate changes driven by physics and chemistry are incredibly powerful. Can thousands of ants remove a large boulder crushing their nest? Focussed efforts must start immediately. Time is what matters now, not only technology. We do not want to hear Dr James Hansen have to declare "Game over!".
John de RivazApril 20, 2016 10:57 pm
Something seems to be driving up the trading volume and dollar value of the cryptocurrency Solarcoin over the past few weeks. If the manufacturers of inverters were to incorporate reporting into their systems, then yes indeed it will measure progress in PV installations.
Corey BarcusApril 20, 2016 6:54 pm
Actually, there are many reactors being built today in places like China, and the next generation will come with many safety and economic benefits. It is not a 'failed technology', but rather is just getting started. Here is one visionary concept derived from a 1960s experiment that could be commercialized within the decade: http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN-Martingale-reveals-its-ThorCon-liquid-fuel-reactor-design-07011501.html Today, nuclear provides over 60% of our carbon-free generation, and its ability to supply power 24/7 gives it a comparable advantage to fossils. It is a technology that will be critical for climate mitigation.
Robin_GuenierApril 20, 2016 4:43 pm
"the Paris Agreement on climate change ... committed the world to limiting global warming to well below 2C ..." No, it didn't. Under its Article 2.2, the Paris text refers merely to an aim to keep temperature well below 2ºC - i.e. it's an aspiration, just a slightly firmer aspiration than the 1.5ºC reference. In any case, the whole thing is qualified by Article 2.2 which says it's all subject to "the principal of common but differentiated responsibilities" - UN speak for a reference back to the 1992 Convention that lets "developing" countries (responsible for 70% of global emissions) off the hook re emission reduction. Moreover (and arguably more important), under Article 4.7 of the Paris text, developing countries are merely "encouraged to move over time towards economy-wide emission reduction or limitation targets ...". Hardly a commitment to do anything.
RoniiApril 20, 2016 3:07 pm
I think he needs to focus more on production of these panels in India, Whats' the point if we are importing such panels from China.. Yes if we can produce them and sell them though public and private electric companies as LED's distribution in Delhi, Then Thumbs Up, bro it can change the fortunes of our Economy..
sukumarApril 20, 2016 1:59 pm
If u r Indian ,believe in your capacity, here is a minister who is delivering on the promises. if you do not know anything it is better not to troll.
HopsgegangenApril 20, 2016 10:43 am
If you look at the northern hemisphere, the anomaly is much larger than the global average. The Tropics are somewhat higher than the average as well. The reason is the big mass of ice in Antarctica holds back that pole, and there's not positive feedback as in the Arctic. Given that most of humanity is in the NH or Tropics, we should really talk about the anomaly in those regions. The global average understates the severity of the problem we face.
Jwalant Natvarlal SonejiApril 20, 2016 2:44 am
Do not get in to trap of Solar energy. Germany is technology lead in itand has taken plans back of going Solar. Its good only for parts where we can't send electricity easily due to geographical issues.
Jwalant Natvarlal SonejiApril 20, 2016 2:42 am
U must have electricity in your home,office to type this up. These politicians did arrange it for you.
Jwalant Natvarlal SonejiApril 20, 2016 2:40 am
Still no exact clarity and information on what makes solar cheaper and coal costlier. There r new technologies coming in Solar too. Germany has best solar technology and considers Solar waste, has reduced plans to go Solar.
baker_tonyApril 19, 2016 11:55 pm
It's not free! You have to pay to install and maintain the infrastructure, that's why it's generally more expensive than burning fossil fuels. It's not carbon free either, there's a lot released in the construction and installation of the solar farms. Certainly not unlimited, clouds and nighttime will see to that. That being said, GO INDIA! Awesome to see and keep it up, but don't kid yourself that it's free energy and zero emission. Orders of magnitude better than coal though.
ArturApril 19, 2016 11:52 pm
Or just go to sleep after work... until they build molten salt thermal solar power plant.
iracnia7April 19, 2016 10:47 pm
This is good news, next step is to get the movers and shakers to equate tree growth with stability. Market stability is achieved by climate stability. This is clear from the destructive and massive costs of environmental disasters, and tree growth can stabilise the environment. We need to invest in stabilising structures (trees), and environments (woodlands), to further reduce the impacts of climate change, and re-stabilise the global economy, by re-stabilising the global environment.
tujApril 19, 2016 9:46 pm
solar is cheaper, except that it's not. First off, Indian coal plants burn some of the cheapest and crappiest coal on earth that they mine domestically. What they don't mine, they can import from Indonesia very cheaply. Yes, solar has $0/MW energy cost, but it has an O&M fixed with the investment that is constant regardless of how much sun you realize over the lifetime of the plant. Then consider that PV technology is advancing so fast that scrapping the solar plant for land will make more sense in 10 years. Lastly, remember a grid is not just how many MW's you have but also how much Mvar the system maintains as reactive power. Solar is good for 0 Mvar, so you still need to run something that mechanically rotates, be it coal, gas, or hydro.
CatbellerApril 19, 2016 7:24 pm
Neo-liberalism, grinding change to a halt in the name of a Free Market since the 1970s. Good on India, tell the WTO to go to hell. It's become a de facto world government in the name of the Holy Market, blessed be the name of Ayn Rand. It's like the University of Chicago's economic department successfully launched a worldwide coup. This is a gold-plated demonstration that the world could go solar pretty damned fast. And there's the WTO, trying its best to retard the charge.
CatbellerApril 19, 2016 7:21 pm
I'm sure they've found something. And I imagine people just go to sleep. Hydro is good for large scale; I'd suggest, locally, store power (if no batteries, or not much water) by pressurizing an air tank, releasing to power a turbine. If there is local water, one could just make a mini-hydro setup for a village or a house - pump water up to a tank during the day, release at night, repeat. Don't use up the water that way.
Quiet_ThinkApril 19, 2016 7:19 pm
Curious, there are no numbers behind this claim, just a simple statement = “I think a new coal plant would give you costlier power than a solar plant". So from that the author has determined solar is now cheaper? Or maybe 'someone thinks it will be cheaper' would be more accurate.
Shubham NishadApril 19, 2016 6:57 pm
Right now we have the best government in center
Shubham NishadApril 19, 2016 6:53 pm
Do no say "we". Speak for yourself and not for others. Most of us have a complete faith in our government.
MarkApril 19, 2016 4:11 pm
Green is a verb. So: "to help develop them (to) green(ify) their economies"
SBNApril 19, 2016 3:13 pm
Awesome Sir.. Forget West. They say one thing and do different. Lead the World and happy to see that INDIA is going to help other Asian and few African Economies to help them to use the "FREE ENERGY" which is unlimited.
ja_1410April 19, 2016 12:46 pm
100 Gigawatts hole in a night will be hard to balance. They might need to build hydro storage for this.
Daniel WalmsleyApril 19, 2016 10:09 am
Could not parse "to help develop them green their economies"?
Amar VashishthApril 19, 2016 9:00 am
do not take this seriously; almost all of them are simply corrupt and puppets of private/foreign organizations, we do not have faith in our Politicians, they'll eat up at-least 50% of the money involved in any new project.
reviewgistApril 19, 2016 8:08 am
The Indian subcontinent was once the crade of the worlds civilizations because of one of the most arable lands in the world. That same land is now best suited to harvest the worlds biggest crop of solar panels - and the energy minister is doing well in leading the charge.
JerryApril 18, 2016 9:16 pm
Progress is coming, never quickly enough but it is on its way. Not just China and the U.S. either, mexico have startredin earnest among others http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Mexicos-Clean-Energy-Market-Is-Surging.html
Pimar SoletApril 18, 2016 7:42 pm
And did you already noticed how fast and furious our planet's warming truly is? Everything concerning the current situations is moving ahead lots quicker as been thought by Scientists. Would you think they do not know exactly what they are doing? This devastating cycle is not under the human control. See what Teacher Evangelista showed us all; "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things." Isaiah 45:7 According to Maestro Teacher Evangelista as the last prophet of God, the prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18:18-19), both good and bad comes from God. Since we receive very hard times now it must mean we deserve this situation. This "situation" is the curse of God since we do not obey His commands but worship false god who is Jesus; "See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse— 27 the blessing if you obey the commands of the Lord your God that I am giving you today; 28 the curse if you disobey the commands of the Lord your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known." Deuteronomy 11:26-28 Clear as ever! Can we see another verse as clear as this? "Therefore, a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore, earth’s inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left." Isaiah 24:6 "must bear their guilt" - we have continuously blasphemed the name of the Lord God and followed man-made god (Jesus). God has every right to be angry on us! "very few are left" - it means we have not seen yet what it would be facing the wrath of God in full power. It is coming if we do not turn to God Almighty and call His Name as revealed His prophet, Maestro Evangelista. The Bible revelations of the last prophet of God (Deuteronomy 18:18-19), Maestro Teacher Evangelista of www.thename.ph and www.thenameonline.info This is not about a new religion or cult but a MESSAGE and this means whether you accept the 'Prophet like Moses'-Maestro Evangelista's Bible revelations in the previously mentioned websites or not is your prerogative -what is important is you have been informed and it is now your choice if you, the readers of this article would also inform others especially your family, friends, loved ones, the people in your community and most importantly your leaders about the messages that the Almighty God of Moses' commanded Maestro Evangelista to reveal through the Bible in the said websites.
XApril 17, 2016 6:53 pm
50 U.S. coal producers have gone bankrupt since 2012 simply because they were at odds with "international climate goals"? What about the Obama administration's war against them? Or should I say the Obama administration's determination to bankrupt them? Kind of hard to operate in any sector with the federal government bent on putting you out of business.
Richard TolApril 15, 2016 6:55 pm
Exactly. The 7% is Verheggen's. It is the lower bound of the published estimates, and thus repeated in my comment. I similarly report the upper bound, Oreskes' 100%.
HopsgegangenApril 15, 2016 6:38 pm
We may see a virtuous cycle in which fossil fuel company revenues drop, reducing what they can spend on campaign contributions, and thus leading to election of politicians who don't stand in the way of climate action, thus further reducing their revenues, and the cycle repeats.
Cayce58April 15, 2016 3:47 pm
In 2007 Exxon Mobil publicly apologized for paying anyone with a PHD $10,000 if they would write an article critical of global warming. Last year the fuel industry spent 110 million dollars in denial money. Fortunately the warming is obvious now and you are reduced to making your own reality and claiming a scientific "liberal media" exists that crosses geographical and political boundries.
Robin_GuenierApril 15, 2016 1:45 pm
Further to all this, it seems coal is not the only energy industry under threat: http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/04/14/what-this-solar-leaders-struggles-say-about-the-industry/ Perhaps investors should be wary of the entire sector.
Janice Elaine HammettApril 15, 2016 1:11 pm
We no longer have the luxury of waiting, dragging our feet. The true future is in renewables.
Robin_GuenierApril 15, 2016 10:03 am
1. Yes the huge drop in the global demand for steel is an important factor - and, for the US at least, the coal industry will, in the long term, probably never recover from it. But this chart illustrates the remarkable extent to which natural gas has replaced coal in recent years: http://www.energytrendsinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/files/2016/04/EIA-Gas-Coal.png?00cfb7 (It's extraordinary how coal's decline is almost exactly mirrored by gas's growth.) 2. Article 4.1 does not say that countries agreed "to phase out emissions to net zero by the second half of the century." Far from it. First, it says "aim" not "agree". Second, its gobbledegook ("so as to achieve a balance ...") is almost impossible to disentangle and understand. Third, in any case it's all expressed as being "in the context of sustainable development and efforts to eradicate poverty" - which is the UN's way of referring back to the 1992 Convention, Article 4.4 of which effectively lets "developing" countries (responsible for 70% of global emissions) off the hook re emission reduction. Moreover (and arguably most importantly), by Article 4.7 of the Paris text, developing countries are merely "encouraged to move over time towards economy-wide emission reduction or limitation targets ...". That isn't an agreement to do anything.
Climate HomeApril 15, 2016 9:21 am
Hi Robin 1. Shale gas is certainly part of the story. Also crashing demand for steel: http://www.vox.com/2016/2/22/11090878/us-coal-industry-falling-apart 2. I paraphrase. Article 4.1 sets out the goal to "achieve a balance between anthropogenic emissions by sources and removals by sinks of greenhouse gases in the second half of this century". That's effectively net zero emissions
Corey BarcusApril 14, 2016 9:08 pm
"Sanders's proposals are a much better match to the urgency of the situation..." Not at all true. Today, nuclear power provides over 60% of our carbon-free generation. For the future, our risk is dependent upon the rate at which we can grow sustainable energy production, and advanced nuclear is by far our best chance of getting deployment rates into 100+ GW/year territory. It is helped by having inherently good economics (apart from the obvious drawbacks of current LWR technology), 24/7 production, very high availability, and incredible economic potential for the relatively near future. Nuclear power also represents a critical portion of common ground with conservatives that can be used to build a bipartisan response to climate mitigation. Sanders' proposal to abandon nuclear represents a major environmental and economic risk for all of us that cannot be understated. It is one blatant example of his campaign being driven more by extreme ideology than practicality. Leading US climate scientists defend the use of nuclear power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hri0pkv6QDo The climate mitigation challenge: http://www.vox.com/2015/10/19/9567863/climate-change-ambitious-cuts A recent nuclear power plant design that emphasizes scalability: http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN-Martingale-reveals-its-ThorCon-liquid-fuel-reactor-design-07011501.html US Senate votes almost unanimously to decarbonize with nuclear power: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2016/02/01/u-s-senate-wants-to-decrease-co2-by-increasing-nuclear-energy/#37d09dc86620
Robin_GuenierApril 14, 2016 6:41 pm
Two questions, Megan: 1. What's your take on the strong indications that it's another fossil fuel - natural gas - that's the main reason for coal's rapid and unexpected decline? That would seem to be what investors have missed. See this: http://www.energytrendsinsider.com/2016/04/13/natural-gas-bankrupted-the-u-s-coal-industry/ 2. Under which provision of the Paris Agreement have countries agreed "to phase out emissions to net zero by the second half of the century"? (I can't find it.) Here's the full text: https://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2015/cop21/eng/l09r01.pdf Thanks.
WarrenApril 14, 2016 4:06 pm
Clinton is actually very committed to climate issues. Eg, while sec of state she formed an international coalition to address short lived high intensity greenhouse gas emissions which phased out HFCs. Furthermore, she beats sanders hands down on foreign policy
Avery HardenApril 14, 2016 3:37 pm
Having a "revolution" is fine but that is an easy target for the Republicans to take the White House and keep Congress. The first priority must be to keep a Democrat in the White House.
Timmons RobertsApril 14, 2016 11:21 am
Michael this is thoughtful, and in fact I'm pushing here in RI for the development of a Rapid and Just Transition Plan, which we also need for nations. It probably will need existing gas and nuclear infrastructure for the next 5-20 years, but we have to stop building new gas stuff. Porter Ranch is all about methane. Leaking methane is not well addressed by Clinton's policy. See part 2 of this blog: http://chn.webxost.com/2016/04/13/clinton-v-sanders-who-can-get-radical-on-climate-change/
itdoesntaddupApril 14, 2016 11:16 am
Isn't this rather small beer against e.g. Greenpeace Worldwide (reported at $336m) and WWF ($800m), each individually a large multiple of the total presented here?
Alex PashleyApril 14, 2016 11:13 am
This is from the Cook et al 2016 study: "Tol (2016) reports consensus estimates ranging from 7% to 100% from the same studies described above. His broad range is due to sub­groupings of scientists with different levels of expertise. For example, the sub­sample with 7% agreement was selected from those expressing an “unconvinced” position on AGW (Verheggen​ et al​ 2014)."
CodyApril 14, 2016 12:03 am
I like the idea proposed of net zero and sustainable living. It requires the people to buy in and the government will follow. Problem is we are lazy and unwilling to sacrifice to make it happen and economically, it is not the easiest transition to make.
Charles DuemlerApril 13, 2016 10:28 pm
a carbon tax is only a way for the rich to keep polluting greenland is melting faster and faster, soon the climate scientists will realize that once ice is warmed up a bit, it will melt faster as someone with a real solution, i'm sickened for all the people and all the stupid statements that people make stating that there method will fix climate change when no scientist (credible) agrees what they're offering is what they think they can handle doing that will keep the corporations happy and the public thinking that it's being taken care of
Mary SweeneyApril 13, 2016 10:08 pm
We're being told over and over again that Clinton is the one who pays attention to details, the one who pays attention to the numbers. Yet it is becoming increasingly clear that the most important numbers of all for everyone living on this planet are the numbers related to climate change and these are the very numbers that Clinton seems to be ignoring. I think she understand that climate change is an important issue, but I don't think she understands how urgent an issue it is. Sanders's proposals are a much better match to the urgency of the situation, and yes, his proposals are going to be more difficult to enact, but that doesn't make them any less necessary. The laws of physics will continue to operate no matter who wins the election; if we keep on pouring greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, in the not-so-long term we will all be losers.
ΘωμαςApril 13, 2016 9:42 pm
Big big trouble.
Richard TolApril 13, 2016 7:08 pm
"Richard Tol [...] released research claiming that as few as 7% of scientists believed humans cause climate change" I never did that.
peacemaker20April 13, 2016 6:28 pm
why are the 17 SDG's not being replaced by the 12 Sector model of the co creation wheel. It covers all 17 of the SDG's and the three missing in the SDG's. also why is the solar coin not being used as a measuring tool? http://solarcoin.org/en/front-page/
peacemaker20April 13, 2016 6:25 pm
where is the use of Solar Coin - why is it not being used in measuring progress????? http://solarcoin.org/en/front-page/
VictorApril 13, 2016 4:01 pm
The new study is essentially the product of the same folks who produced the last (deeply flawed) one. All are notorious climate change activists, with a strong motive to produce results that will advance their cause. If their original study had been free of bias, there would have been no need for a followup. Studies of this kind are credible only if produced by unbiased investigators with no ax to grind.
Michael HoganApril 13, 2016 3:11 pm
This is an exercise in making the perfect the enemy of the good. What does opposing nuclear have to do with climate issues? What did Porter Ranch have to do with fracking, other than the fact that both involve natural gas? How would you propose getting through the next 20 years of the transition to a clean energy system without exploiting low-cost natural gas resources? In what way would a viable CCS technology solution, if it were achievable, especially for industries like cement and steel, be a bad thing for those of us seeking to avoid catastrophic climate change? There are disagreements reasonable people can have about each of these individual pieces of the overall puzzle, but without a credible alternative theory of how we get from here to where we want to go in the time we have to get there borders in the irresponsible. To simply insist on an all-renewables/none of anything else approach, which for many reasons is simply not an option, is the equivalent of holding your breath until you turn blue. It may preserve your street cred, but it is not an answer. Perhaps that's what's behind Secretary Clinton's thinking.
Paxus CaltaApril 13, 2016 6:56 am
There is no nuclear Renaissance. The Hinkley reactors will almost certainly be the last conventional sized reactor it builds, it those are even completed. Nuclear's completely fails in delivered $/kwh when compared to renewables including battery or other storage technologies. With massive subsidies we might build a couple, but solar and wind are hear to stay and to replace this failed technology.
Julio inglesiasApril 13, 2016 2:32 am
We are releasing carbon ten times faster than the petm, the "great dying". Deny that you ignorant barsteward.
dharmakarma27April 13, 2016 2:19 am
Not many know about him, in India. He participated in a govt. effort to revive the Ganga but seeing his time was better spent elsewhere, he moved out. Every year a city dweller in India adds to his/her life, it is at the expense of the hard working farmer's life.
NS AlitoApril 13, 2016 2:03 am
Anybody know why the NSIDC charctic graph is showing such an abrupt increase in sea ice extent right now? Addendum: Oops. Never mind. After several days of upswing the graph has been corrected.
TyranosopherApril 13, 2016 1:44 am
The real fun will start when the ice sheets of Antarctica start to melt catastrophically. There is every reason to believe it will start soon, and no reason why not... Except for saying that it did not happen before. As we can see, "it did not happen before" is not much of a reason... For more see: Runaway Antarctica by Patrice Ayme. (Google.)
Tom RadeckiApril 13, 2016 12:45 am
It's time for them to start working at reducing their birth rate below replacement level as quickly as humanly possible. Very bad times are coming.
Tom RadeckiApril 13, 2016 12:43 am
Sanders is definitely right, but which can get elected is unclear. Sanders is slightly ahead in electability, but the forces of evil, i.e., Fox News, talk radio, and the fossil fuel conservative echo chamber haven't paid much attention to him yet. Also, it is necessary to win back control of the Senate and House, but Citizens United is making this very difficult. The future of life on Earth is looking very grim.
Tom RadeckiApril 13, 2016 12:35 am
There is also the risk of radicals stealing radtcals stealing radioactive uranium more easily with so many scattered sites. At least, the research has a better chance of being economically successful than "clean coal." Still, 2025 is a long time from now. The UK needs to develop all of the land-based wind and solar possible and as quickly as possible, long before 2025. So many UK conservatives are really climate change deniers. The UK is generating much less of its electricity from renewables than most major countries.
valibrarianApril 12, 2016 10:04 pm
Wow. Don't buy beachfront!
itdoesntaddupApril 12, 2016 4:06 pm
Closing it, or converting it to burn imported US woodchips? http://biomassmagazine.com/articles/12497/eon-to-sell-belgian-coal-fired-power-plant-to-german-pellets
Dr. Booth’s recent PPI study, “Trees, Trash, and Toxics: How Biomass Energy Has Become the New Coal.” [...] has caused some concern. Booth’s calculations back up the earlier indications that for every megawatt-hour of electricity produced, even the cleanest American biomass plants pump out about 50% more carbon dioxide than plants that burn coal. She also found that the biomass plants she studied produce more than twice as much nitrogen oxide, soot, carbon monoxide, and volatile organic matter as coal plants.
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/04/14/biomass-emissions-question-arises/ So that's a win then.
itdoesntaddupApril 12, 2016 3:30 pm
So now it's clear this is about politics, not science.
JerryApril 11, 2016 10:02 pm
Aand when combined with the economic benefits of fighting climate change it really is a win win win http://oilprice.com/The-Environment/Global-Warming/Climate-Action-Could-Save-250-Billion-Per-Year-In-2030.html
Daniel WilliamsApril 11, 2016 3:59 pm
I think its interesting to note that battery-electric won't be the only alternative to combustion engines and home heating. The real revolution will happen when fuel cells finally start to become mass produced on a global scale. Huge advancements are well underway regarding hydrogen production via electrolysis (Power-to-Gas) and are set to accelerate rapidly in the near future. Similarly with fuel cells as they become cheaper; most major manufacturers have fuel cell cars either in production or waiting for the requisite infrastructure. Fuel cells are much more efficient than any traditional form of energy use, and are infinitely adaptable; from utility scale to ships, trucks, cars and buildings; the latter in the even more efficient area of combined heat and power where hydrogen is supplied to the cell and the heat used aswell. Where you cannot power a ship with batteries, a fuel cell can be used to drive a turbine with efficiences an order of magnitude greater than an ICE. Truly we will have an era of clean power, not just for those who can afford it but for all.
JamesWimberleyApril 11, 2016 12:04 pm
What world is IHS living in? Coal burning in China has been falling for several years. Even Indian coal stocks are rising, for lack of demand. The Indian ultra-mega coal plant programme is stalled, as the big industrial conglomerates sit on their hands waiting for demand for coal generation to pick up. It may never do. Wind and solar cream off the profitable peak load and reduce the capacity factor of coal plants, heading down for 50% in China. As in Germany, coal plants are a ticket to losing money. This death spiral is not driven by Indian and Chinese INDCs, which are far looser than reality. Just watch if Adani's Carmichael mine in Queensland attracts the multibillion dollar funding it needs.
citizenschallengeAEApril 10, 2016 6:16 pm
I wish someone could justify this statement: "And while it is difficult to attribute any single weather event to climate change." ---- Can we think about our global system for a moment! The evidence for a radically warming global climate system is to be found everywhere one looks. Since weather is the product of that warmed up climate system - CAN WE PLEASE CORRECT THE SPIN ON THAT OUTDATED MEME? There is no storm system that behaves independent of our warming global climate system! Every single extreme weather event carries the signature of that global warming - how can it not? Simply because our ability to measure the specific ratio of said influence is still lacking -> doesn't mean the physical reality isn't there.
Robin_GuenierApril 10, 2016 3:39 pm
But there's evidence that your supposition may be incorrect. Take China for example - responsible for about 30 percent of global emissions, the view of its Academy of Sciences is critically important. Yet Ding Zhongli, the Academy's Vice President (described as “the final word on climate science for the Chinese Communist Party”), has observed that a significant relationship between temperature and CO2 “lacks reliable evidence in science”. LINK: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/14/china-imprints-all-over-copenhagen-talks-fiasco/?page=all
Daniel WilliamsApril 10, 2016 12:23 pm
Staggeringly miopic and regressive. So staggering in fact I just had to have a lie down. Its just that by the time they wake up and see what they've done, its going to be so irreparably messed, with factors like a) a possible global carbon price b) health costs c) tourism costs d) fishing costs e) water costs etc. Its breathtaking really. A virtuouso performance by what must be the most explicitly backward, introverted, and grubby individuals this planet has ever produced, so completely ignorant of the meaning of a blunder of such an almost inconceivably epic scale they refuse to see the facts in front of them.
MuppetApril 10, 2016 5:46 am
Coal gets more subsidies than renewables, it is more energy effective, delivers more jobs and doesn't use water, which is already scarce in India. Your reasoning is flawed and wrong.
Faiyaz PashaApril 9, 2016 6:30 pm
This is most unwarranted; However, I would urge all nations to ratify & go beyond; It is possible to stop all carbon emissions 100% within the next 10 to 12 years. They need not give up their present methods; they can continue to use fossil fuels. But employ us individually, jointly or collectively to stop the emissions. We have with us the technologies to achieve the results. The UN and people who are at the helm here, I am afraid, are not competent to encounter the challenges posed by Climate Change. Bureaucratic procedures and blind enforcement based on insufficient knowledge cannot stop Climate Change.
Calamity_JeanApril 8, 2016 8:49 pm
More likely the royal family will have fled the country with all the money leaving the ordinary people to starve or die of heat stroke.
OHHIDEREMRApril 8, 2016 10:55 am
The system is rigged. Either we start matching how much they spend on lobbying and bribes to protect the climate, or learn how to swim. I can't afford lobbyists unfortunately.
geoff ChambersApril 8, 2016 10:50 am
The 55% emissions ceiling shouldn't be difficult given that, as Robin points out, the big emitters like China and India lose nothing by signing, and Europe is happy to sign away its industry and transform itself into a theme park for Chinese tourists. And the 55 countries should be easy enough, given the number of tiny states like the Marshall Islands (72,000 inhabitants, all dirt poor, and there's not even much dirt on a coral reef). But what happens if all the signatories are potential recipients of the promised 100 billion per year handouts, and none are the providers? And (a question for the author of the article) do individual EU states get a chance to sign? They had no seat at COP21, being represented by the European Commission, so why should they be able to sign the treaty? And if they can, why not individual states of the USA?
Lime11April 8, 2016 9:37 am
Reddit is not impressed.
Robin_GuenierApril 8, 2016 8:04 am
The probability of the US Senate ratifying COP21 is precisely zero.” That’s almost certainly true. But Obama/Kerry believe the text agree in Paris was, with Chinese help, so worded that the US can ratify it without Congressional approval. It’s extremely interesting that the Chinese were so anxious to help the US: I suggest my analysis above indicates why. PS: are you also catweazle666? (See his comment here: https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016/04/03/booker-on-the-looming-energy-disaster/#comment-67114 )
Dr. Sanjay BanerjiApril 8, 2016 5:12 am
Thanks for posting this excellent article. From an Indian perspective, I feel that we could do still more, and follow the example of china. I shall use this information in my course on Environmental Management.
VooDudeApril 7, 2016 6:57 pm
Cyclones, Hurricanes, Typhoons ... Globally, less, and less intense, too:
chinshelwoodApril 7, 2016 10:30 am
Interesting article. Many thanks Alex Pashley. I do not see any direct link to the NLD in any of the statements, though. Can the author confirm that this coal policy is being pushed forward by the NLD or is this the analysis of the Economist source?
Koen VermeirApril 7, 2016 7:23 am
The article says "For instance, a British Airways flight from London to Cape Town, South Africa would be subject to the scheme. But a South Africa Airways flight of the same route would not." This statement is fundamentally wrong. According to the negotiating draft, all operators on the same route are subject to the same rules.
Tom RadeckiApril 7, 2016 1:22 am
Saudi oil needs to be left in the ground. It's not needed. Electric vehicles should be the only type of vehicle allowed to be produced anywhere within six years since fossil fuel vehicles have a lifespan of 20 years. We actually need to junk them by 2030 and go all electric. Home heating needs to go all electric, too. Ditto for the production of concrete, steel, and fertilizer. Cattle should only live in zoos. Global warming is coming on fast and we've already crossed the 2C tipping point based on the new evidence of increasingly rapid methane release in the Arctic combined with its rapid loss of albedo effect and a Transient Climate Sensitivity of 3.0C-3.5C. Global warming is going to cause massive food shortages and starvation with billions dying this century. We have a true climate emergency, much worse than World War II. The IPCC has always grossly underestimated how fast and how bad it is going to be.
Tom RadeckiApril 6, 2016 10:08 pm
Good article, but it's way over-optimistic about humans being able to emit over 35 billion tons CO2e per year well past 2030. We need to be carbon zero by 2030. The IPCC is using a Transcient Climate Response figure of only 1.8C when at least 3.0C is scientifically acceptable. Even this doesn't take into account the rapidly dropping albedo of the Arctic and the rapidly growing methane emissions recently documented in the Arctic. We very likely have already passed the 2.0C tipping point and catastrophes galore are guaranteed. The extinction of coral worldwide is pretty much guaranteed as well. Bloomberg is great, but investments in renewables need to be at least $1 trillion per year starting right now. Fossil fuels must be left in the ground and cattle retired to only in zoos. Go Tesla3.
Larry E.April 6, 2016 6:18 pm
What's with capping emissions at the 2020 level, allowing five more years of growth and five more years of elitist emissions contributions (they are irreversible) to climate change? Climate change is already hurting humanity big-time, in both the northern and southern hemispheres -- sea and river floods, tornados and typhoons, droughts, heat waves, and increasing sea level. In September the ICAO should cap aviation emissions at the 2016 level, and require that reduction of the emissions begins. As a global society we must face reality and the need for this.
BlueScreenOfDeathApril 6, 2016 1:15 am
The probability of the US Senate ratifying COP21 is precisely zero. You can take that to the bank.
Robert P BruceApril 5, 2016 10:38 pm
Proof that carbon free sustainable growth is possible, but the real solution can only be Global. Too many of these countries have simply exported their carbon footprint by off-shoring production to China and other countries with growing emissions. How can anyone see reduction of 1 billion tons of carbon as progress, when World consumption has grown by 10 billion tons over the same period? The biggest countries are doing the worst - USA has only reduced by 6% in 14 years, and now the supreme court is delaying further action. We need a new "Global Economic Community" capable of implementing a Global rate of carbon tax. Only acting Globally can we achieve the speed of transition we need in time - by making sustainable investments cheaper than continuing to burn fossil fuels. Robert P Bruce - author www.TheGlobalRace.net
WillApril 5, 2016 4:45 pm
The National Academy of Sciences charter commits the Academy to provide scientific advice as advisors to the government "whenever called upon". They are independent, so if they see a climate emergency unfolding they will advise governments on how to save lives and the economy. The climate monster is getting stronger by the day; by around 90 million tons of CO2, plus increasing amounts of other global-warming gases methane and nitrous oxide. Emissions must peak soon and decline as the past 3 years have been the hottest on record. Heat waves, extremely powerful storms, wildfires, droughts, are increasing in frequency. I supposed the vital advisory role of national academies of science to governments in every nation would apply, including China, India and Russia.
Robin_GuenierApril 5, 2016 2:17 pm
"... their development will become a stranded asset." I suggest that's unlikely Tom. As this article reported re SE Asia (http://chn.webxost.com/2015/10/08/south-east-asia-coal-use-to-triple-iea/ ), "coal use could triple between 2011 and 2035, accounting for around 30% of global growth". And, as the Guardian reported recently (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/14/india-says-paris-climate-deal-wont-affect-plans-to-double-coal-output) "India still plans to double coal output by 2020 and rely on the resource for decades afterwards ..." Moreover as the New York Times says (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/world/asia/chinas-emissions-pledges-are-undercut-by-boom-in-coal-projects-abroad.html?_r=0), China's plans to curtail GHG emissions growth in 2030 (still 14 years away) "are being undercut as Chinese state-owned companies, backed by state loans, build coal-fired power plants across the developing world despite concerns about global warming and air pollution". Then there's Bangladesh's plan for huge coal expansion: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/241059fa-9424-11e5-bd82-c1fb87bef7af.html#axzz3vzqlCgjg So it does rather seem as though Myanmar is doing no more than joining a developing world dash for coal. And, of course, you can add to all that Japan's plans for new coal plant (http://www.powerengineeringint.com/articles/2016/02/japan-re-embraces-coal-power.html) And South Korea: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/12/16/national/science-health/japan-south-korea-stick-coal-plant-policies-despite-global-climate-deal/#.VnLdVOtRFJP
Tom RadeckiApril 5, 2016 12:01 pm
Maybe we should pressure high fertility countries to reduce their birth rates to below replacement level like has already been achieved in advanced countries. There is no way Sub-Saharan Africa is going to be able to feed its massive future populations. They are counting on advanced countries being obligated to do so. Global warming is going to be much worse than people think. It's better not to be born than starving to death. Massive amounts of farmland will be destroyed.
Tom RadeckiApril 4, 2016 6:16 pm
Sad. Global warming is coming on very fast and will destroy much of our world as well as kill at least 3 billion humans this century, mainly due to starvation. Myanmar will be seriously affected. They will undoubtedly regret their huge investment in coal and their development will become a stranded asset.
KhanneaSuntzuApril 4, 2016 4:40 pm
BY 2025 there will be a saudi democratic republic.
Ian GrahamApril 4, 2016 1:33 am
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Myra Nur LakdawalaApril 3, 2016 3:25 am
I completely agree with what you are saying! the water crisis in Pakistan is devastating. This blog highlights other troubling issues about the nation! It may interest you! http://the-truth-is-in-the-middle.blogspot.com/2016/04/climate-change-serious-threat-to.html
cardiganApril 2, 2016 9:49 am
This is another tax on the poor, as energy from coal is critical to cheap energy for the masses of the Indian people. The claims on renewable energy have recently been revealed to be highly flawed, with electrification claimed where there is none. TERI is a beneficiary from all the subsidies poured into renewables and its "Light a Million Lives".
Robin_GuenierApril 1, 2016 6:11 pm
" ... entry into force well before 2020 would ... be a profoundly significant step forward on the path to a safe and stable climate." But would it? A careful reading of the text agreed in Paris last December (the “Paris Agreement”) suggests otherwise. The reality is that the developing countries (responsible for at least 70% of greenhouse gas emissions and comprising about 80% of the world’s population and virtually all its poorest people), far from being bound "to act on climate", are exempted from any obligation to take action to cut their fossil fuel use. The Agreement was adopted “under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change” (the UNFCCC) by which (Article 4.7) developing countries are expressly authorised to give overriding priority to "economic and social development and poverty eradication" – even if that means increasing emissions. And that was reinforced by Article 4.4 of the Paris Agreement that restricts “absolute emissions reduction targets” to the developed countries whereas developing countries are required only to make voluntary “mitigation efforts”. It's an outcome that suits China (and other major emerging economies) - no wonder it's anxious to ratify the deal as soon as possible. Perhaps you're right and "Bending the global emissions curve steeply downwards" was "the Paris Agreement’s core purpose." But, if so, it's unlikely to have achieved it. I suspect the fossil fuel industries in, for example, China and India are sleeping easily in their beds.
VooDudeApril 1, 2016 6:00 pm
"India and Pakistan suffered fatal heatwaves…" Cold kills more than heat. "Western Canada suffered from a record wildfire season," BS. Wildfires burned more in BC, in 2014, (329 kha) than in 2015 (298 kha). Wildfires in Alberta in 2015 (492 kha) did not top 1998 (727 kha). SK barely set a record over 2010, 1777 kha vs 1735 kha. YT preliminary estimate of 177 kha did not break 2004 (1,720 kha) "Drought" Worldwide, drought is on the decline. "Cyclones" have been fewer in number, and weaker in Accumulated Cyclonic Energy
ozdawnApril 1, 2016 4:52 pm
Obviously the biggest problem facing the world that is inhibiting any real action on issues like these is a "hostile US Senate that eats treaties for breakfast!" So the real question is why is the US so hostile and what can be done to eliminate that hostility?
Robin_GuenierApril 1, 2016 4:45 pm
"Science academies could meet and publish their stern advice on unavoidable actions that must be taken ..." That assumes, Will, that science academies would issue such advice. I suspect that it might not be true of national academies in, for example, China, India and Russia. Then what?
WillMarch 31, 2016 4:26 pm
Climate summits bringing together thousands of delegates are now a waste of precious time. Only two assemblies subordinate to citizens now matter for climate action - National leaders (decision makers) and Science academies (advisors). Science academies could meet and publish their stern advice on unavoidable actions that must be taken (some may seem difficult) to drawdown CO2 quickly to safe levels and save humanity from climate extremes now heading to economic and societal collapse. Politicians can then legislate to initiate immediate action. Unilateral action by some nations may be needed here to urge global action and save time, but there are clear economic and social advantages for leaders to do this.
Robin_GuenierMarch 30, 2016 5:32 pm
"All new energy infrastructure needs to be zero carbon from 2017" If that's true, we're doomed. There's abundant evidence that developing economies have every intention of commissioning new fossil fuel burning plant (especially coal and without carbon capture) for many years to come. For example, this report (http://chn.webxost.com/2016/03/29/indian-ramps-up-fossil-fuel-spend-amid-welfare-cuts/ ) was published by Climate Home only yesterday. An extract:
"The largest coal producing corporate conglomerate in the world, CIL produces about 82% of the coal mined in India. This amount is set to increase dramatically, as India plans to more than double its coal output from 490 million tonnes to a billion tonnes by 2020, according to energy minister Piyush Goyal."
MikeWMarch 30, 2016 1:42 pm
doubting_rich, notice your graph shows the 1979 peak, but not the early 1970's which were similar to present day sea ice extents. For those earlier years, check the IPPC report at the source I referenced. For even more evidence, check the 1971 National Geographic map of Arctic ice extent, which also shows an area of coverage much like the current area. Bottom line is that there is no need for alarm, unless you are politically motivated.
WillMarch 29, 2016 5:31 pm
Not a word here about the functional importance of soil microbes in terrestrial uptake of CO2 by soils, forests and grasslands. Excessive use of nitrogen fertilizers in agriculture have upset the nutrient balance in soils leading to loss of trace elements and minerals due to leaching as nitrates. Without trace elements and minerals which soil microbes rely on as enzymes and coenzymes to degrade and fix organic carbon in soils, CO2 as well as methane and nitrous oxide will continue to be emitted and add to GH gases. The carbon cycle is not functioning as it should! Unless we change our focus from NPKS fertilizers only to NPKS with secondary and all trace elements, microbes will continue to starve and will not be able to contribute to carbon sequestration. Soils, forests and grasslands are our last hope to drawdown CO2 to safe levels.
Robin_GuenierMarch 29, 2016 4:54 pm
“Despite signs that the world will cut its future fossil fuel use” The text agreed at the UN climate conference in Paris last December (the “Paris Agreement”) provides no such sign. The reality is that the developing countries (responsible for at least 70% of greenhouse gas emissions and comprising about 80% of the world’s population and virtually all its poorest people) are exempted from any obligation to take action to cut their fossil fuel use. The Paris Agreement was adopted “under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change” (the UNFCCC) by which (Article 4.7) developing countries are expressly authorised to give overriding priority to "economic and social development and poverty eradication" – even if that means increasing emissions. And that was reinforced by Article 4.4 of the Paris Agreement that restricts “absolute emissions reduction targets” to the developed countries whereas developing countries are required only to make voluntary “mitigation efforts”. The distinction between developed and developing economies has plagued international climate negotiations for about twenty-five years. The UN conference in Copenhagen failed to resolve the matter and it was hoped that Paris would do so. Unfortunately it didn’t - and it's hard to see what mechanism might change that now.
MikeWMarch 29, 2016 2:22 pm
Actually, the current Arctic ice extent is similar to where it was in the early 1970's. It only appears to be at a "record" low because 1979 was a peak year in a multi-decadal cycle, as reported in Figure 7.20a in the 1990 IPCC report. https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_chapter_07.pdf
doubting_richMarch 29, 2016 1:46 pm
Only it's not ... http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
nedfordMarch 28, 2016 6:45 pm
This is exactly right. The challenge is to find messages which simultaneously address firmly held values and draw attention to action. I'm not one who thinks we are going to solve global warming by teaching people to buy better lightbulbs. What I think will work is to stop paying electric utilities more money for wasting energy than we pay them for saving it. But as effective as this approach has been, it has been stalled in many places by false implications that it is wasteful. In other words, the opposition is using exactly this approach, only a lot better, and they don't bother to be honest. I calmly remind people that only a third or so of our total energy use is direct consumption by individuals. The other two thirds or three quarters is commercial and industrial energy use - which could not exist if it were not that commercial and industrial energy use eventually serves individuals. So if we want to do this, we have to link sensible values to reasonable actions. If I had to guess, it would be reasonable to link the Republican Party to the wasteful practices of opposing clean energy in order to get support from the still-powerful fossil fuel lobby. People aren't going to get the message if we don't have the guts to speak the truth. They aren't going to get involved in regulatory practices or rulemaking. And it has to be tied to something that people do care about. I still think it is fun to say "if you're worried about immigration, wait until climate change gets seriously under way". But that's my sense of humor. The simplest fact is that we have the technology to solve global warming and it is cheaper than what we are doing today, if we start by eliminating wasted energy and use the savings to pay for the cheapest renewables first. The thing that is stopping us is not reality, but perception. We can win that one.
hstadMarch 27, 2016 7:00 pm
There was a time when people like Hansen would be kept in a very special room, for their own protection of course! But the progressives de-institutionalized those places some time ago. The inmates are now housed in progressive institutions. They call those places “academe” these days. They still have the special rooms though – and the meds are much the same, even if the dosage is voluntary.
JuliaMarch 27, 2016 3:37 pm
For example this paper from 1981: https://atmos.washington.edu/2003Q4/211/articles_optional/Hansen81_CO2_Impact.pdf One could indeed argue that this "prediction" did not come true since the warming trend was underestimated by 30% - meaning his "prediction" was too conservative. (Btw. these are no predictions by all means, we're talking about simulations.)
midnightjokerMarch 27, 2016 9:07 am
If anything is going to drive nations to the lunacy of nuclear war, its gonna be climate change. You cannot say you care about economics, security or humanity without caring about the foundation of all those things, which is a stable climate.
Billy___BobMarch 27, 2016 1:14 am
What happens when the wind doesn't blow and nuclear and coal are phased out?
agelbertMarch 25, 2016 10:36 pm
YES! It's time that Exxon started learning to add and subtract in BIOSPHERE math instead of gaming the numbers for profit over planet.
Tom RadeckiMarch 25, 2016 12:16 pm
Any new fossil fuel development is destructive to future life on Earth. We have already polluted our atmosphere far too much to avoid serious catastrophe. Each extra fossil fuel development will cause even more catastrophe. Tipping points are being crossed. The Arctic is already emitting large amounts of methane. Snow and sea ice are at record lows. Heat is at record levels. It is conservatively estimated than global warming will kill at least 3 billion humans this century, primarily due to starvation. All fossil fuels must be left in the ground, no exceptions.
Bob BinghamMarch 25, 2016 4:02 am
The big issue for trees is water and nutrient. We know that they like CO2 and that it will stimulate growth but if the tree is not provided with additional water and nutrients then, over time, it will not out perform trees without extra CO2. Climate change is going to change the weather and it will rain less or more in your region and the trees may or, more likely, will not like it and will die.
Paul ClarkMarch 24, 2016 9:11 pm
Lots of bad things could happen. Should we 'buy' insurance for every possibility - that would send us broke. And useless wind turbines & solar cells are hardly "insurance". The global temp just spiked to 1.4C above average and the result is: nothing unusual. No impact on weather, polar ice melt or sea level rise. Atmospheric carbon dioxide went up 43% over pre-industrial and there's been zero impact on the rate of sea level rise. Aside from the recent El Nino temp spike there's been no warming for 19 years despite "fastest ever" CO2 rise & you're still claiming sensitivity estimates are conservative!? I don't who you're foolin but it sure ain't skeptics.
Wilhelm LeoMarch 24, 2016 2:30 pm
Here we have a very good reason to leave EU and its climate nonsense.
Julian Schwartzkopff (E3G)March 24, 2016 9:22 am
Excellent article! Well balanced and accurate.
Mark RichardsonMarch 24, 2016 7:15 am
[Quote] 1. Each well can have up to 18 or more frac stages--the totality adding up to the 5 million gallons you quote. You are exaggerating this claim by 18 times. [End Quote] Actually each well can be drilled in multiple directions, with each direction requiring as much as 35 million gallons of water to drill, though the average single direction frack well only requires between 4 and 5 million gallons of water too. Now 5 million gallons of water is 15.34 acre-feet, or enough water to grow 5 acres of crops at average crop yield, and just in Colorado more than 53,000 wells have been fracked over the last 15 years, which means that 813,020 acre-feet of fresh water has been polluted and removed from the hydrologic cycle, enough to supply the annual household water use needs of 4.06 million people, just to bring an easily understandable sense of scale to the issue. [Quote] 2. The 25 billion gallons of water used for fracing in Texas represented less than 1 percent of all groundwater usage in the state for that year. Agricultural and residential water use makes up the majority of water use in all states. Far more water is used per unit energy for ethanol production, which is federally subsidized. [End Quote] The fossil fuel industry globally is subsidized to the tune of $5.3 trillion annually (International Monetary Fund, US Government, 2015) The problem with water used by the fracking industry is that it is not recycled to any reuse standard, whereas most all other water users are required to recycle water used to some reuse standard. Effectively the fracking industry has destroyed 1% of all available fresh groundwater in Texas within its operating areas every year for the last 15 years, which adds up to 15% of all water from those aquifers permanently polluted and taken completely out of the hydrologic cycle. Does power plant cooling destroy water and take it out of the hydrologic cycle? No, it turns water to steam. Does food production permanently remove water from the hydrologic cycle? No. How about residential-use water? Most is recycled by wastewater treatment to a reuse standard, and anything dumped on lawns or gardens also stays within the hydrologic cycle. Even wastewater that drains through leach fields is effectively treated and stays within the hydrologic cycle. The fracking industry and the nuclear power industry both destroy water for future use. So your statement about fracking water use is full of gross inaccuracies and major omissions. [Quote] 3. You imply that groundwater is a finite, non-renewable resource. In actuality, most aquifers are subject to recharge and renewal. Granted, some may be drawn down during droughts, but they will be recharged, probably during the coming El Nino event. [End quote] Wrong again. Some aquifers do recharge fairly quickly, say at a rate of 1% per 100 years, which is the rate of recharge that a lot of Western US groundwater-use law is based-on Quite a few aquifers however are rock aquifers which do not recharge any more-quickly than 1% every 1000-5000 years. In Colorado both the Denver Basin and the Ogallala Aquifers are rock aquifers, which will effectively never recharge within a time-frame applicable to human needs. Effectively fracking industry use of water from rock aquifers is water mining, as is any use rate from other aquifers in-excess of the recharge rate. So would you please tell us why your industry feels that its water use and destruction should come first before any other water use that recycles water to some reuse standard? [Quote] 4: You conveniently omit the fact that the EPA found absolutely no evidence of groundwater contamination.... [End Quote] Wrong. As it has turned-out, the Pennsylvania DEP under the leadership of their former Republican Governor falsified evidence, hid substantially more evidence, and misled the public, and the US EPA also did the same thing, turning out study conclusions that were considerably more conservative than the findings of their own scientists, and both such efforts have been discovered and are in the process of being rectified now, As it has turned-out, the statement that fracking contaminates groundwater is quite true, as there are tens of thousands of such claims with many thousands of those already proven. #5 We all know the real reason behind fractivism--the shale revolution has made renewables uncompetitive with natural gas-fired power production. Actually, renewable-source energy is considerably less-expensive than the average break-even point of fracking even with its massive subsidies, which has lately led quite a few fracking companies to cut as many corners as possible while many other more-ethical companies have been driven bankrupt too. Now among the main reasons for substantial opposition to fracking are A: Numerous study conclusions that have found an illegally-unhealthy level of methane, cancer-causing benzene, and lung issue and ozone-causing VOC emissions, as well as a much-higher incidence of birth defects, low birth weights, nosebleeds, asthma inhaler use, and ozone levels among hundreds of other negative medical findings. As well as B: Numerous studies including peer-reviewed studies that have found substantial negative impacts to surface property value and the ability to obtain Federally-insured mortgage financing due to proximity to fracking within a half-mile of fracking wells, which could very well be the reason that Colorado residents would very much like to establish a responsible drilling setback of 2500 feet from homes, businesses, and schools. If anyone is interested in finding-out what a group of eighty New York medical doctors have compiled about the various negatives of fracking might I recommend the Concerned Health Professionals of New York COMPENDIUM OF SCIENTIFIC, MEDICAL, AND MEDIA FINDINGS DEMONSTRATING RISKS AND HARMS OF FRACKING (UNCONVENTIONAL GAS AND OIL EXTRACTION), 3rd Edition, October, 2015, 151 pages, pdf. http://concernedhealthny.org/wp-content/uploads/files/2012/11/PSR-CHPNY-Compendium-3.0.pdf And I recommend the press release that accompanied the release of the 3rd Edition Compendium too: http://concernedhealthny.org/category/press-releases/ I have a couple of questions for you Ghawker, is it cheaper in the long run for the fracking industry to just dump your polluted effluent into local creeks or all over the ground than it is to either pay to inject it legally or clean it to some reuse standard, as just dumping it as well as your radioactive drilling socks like taking out the trash has seemingly been an increasingly popular short-term fracking industry cost cutting strategy lately, as has depriving fracking workers of their health coverage and even their pay. What is the average life of underground well pipe as well as well-cementing in your professional opinion, as numerous peer-reviewed academic and professional studies have shown that the effective service life of well pipe is only 50-60 years, and well-cementing underground has repeatedly been proven to leak at unacceptably high rates immediately during the fracking process as well as rapidly degrade after the fracking process is complete? Numerous peer-reviewed academic, professional, and US and foreign government studies have found an unacceptably-high natural gas leakage rate between the well bore and the end user of 2-6 times as much natural gas as it would take to trap less heat in our lower atmosphere as simply continuing to burn coal would cause, including the effect of airborne aerosols emitted by coal burning that reduce the heat-trapping ability of coal-fired CO2. In-addition, other peer-reviewed and professional studies have found a well cementing failure rate of 5-7% initially during the fracking process as well as a 33-50% failure rate at a half-century in age, with one consequence being that as high as half of all old oil and natural gas wells leak methane at a half-century in age. As natural gas is almost entirely methane, and methane traps up to 270 times as much heat in our lower atmosphere over the first 1-2 months following emission as CO2 traps at a decade following its emission at its maximum heat-trapping impact, and given that these methane emissions are an ongoing daily problem rather than a one-time problem, is it reasonable to assume that the fracking industry and other major man-made methane emitters are responsible currently for 270 times as much daily heat trapping impact in our lower atmosphere as man-made emitters of carbon dioxide are responsible for on an even weight emitted basis? So perhaps Ghawker, you are the party lacking knowledge of the known negative impacts of fracking, and if you are one of those fracking supporters that makes hanging around operational fracking wells a habit I have also seen plenty of evidence that such a practice has a similar level of long-term major health impact to say working as a coal miner a century ago when black lung disease was quite common.
ZorroMarch 24, 2016 3:22 am
Thorne nails it. Hansen has no credibility. As for the apocalyptic picture painted, Thorne said it was “marginally more likely than me or you buying a winning Euromillions [lottery] ticket today”
Tom RadeckiMarch 23, 2016 1:17 pm
When you buy fire insurance for your home, you are protecting it from an extreme outcome, i.e., a very small chance of occurring this century. Clearly, during Meltwater Pulse 1A 14,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age, sea level rose roughly 57 feet in 340 years or 17 feet per century. The global warming gas levels now are much higher and have risen faster than any known time in Earth history. Hansen's paper is a little too complicated for me to critique it, but clearly it arrives at a conclusion that is definitely not extreme. In fact, I think that it is likely that at least by the end of this century sea level will be rise 2 inches per year. The IPCC has a long history of being overly conservative and underestimating how fast global warming will occur. They used a Transient Climate Sensitivity of only 1.8C whereas the consensus figure is 3.0C. That means, if the majority of scientists are correct, that the IPCC is underestimating the impact by 60%. Clearly, it's the IPCC and its vetoing governmental bodies who are being extreme in underestimating the risk. That's a fact. It has repeatedly occurred that the IPCC reports ink is barely dry and a new study shows them grossly underestimating reality. Global warming is much worse than you think. Hansen is definitely not extreme. He is concerned. I hate to think what it will be like if we have a Dansgaard-Oeschger event on top of our current massive warming. Death is rushing at us.
Tom RadeckiMarch 23, 2016 12:42 pm
Great article. B.C. is planning to kill a huge amount of human and animal life solely for some short-term benefit. Global warming will become extreme very soon and the investment in gas will never be recouped. Natural gas is even more polluting than coal thanks to its numerous methane leaks, but even with zero leakage it has 25 times the carbon footprint of wind power. Massive disaster for life on Earth is rushing at us.
Tom RadeckiMarch 23, 2016 12:30 pm
Pakistan needs massive birth dontrol, one child per family. It's better to not be conceived than to starve to death as an early age. Global warming is just getting started. Billions are almost certain to die this century due to its impact on agriculture.
aelemayMarch 23, 2016 10:07 am
James Hansen has the distinction of making predictions during the last thirty years which have never come true. He is a former head of NASA's Goddard Laboratory, and is a radical pro-climate change activist. He was widely criticized for violating government employee ethics rules on using his government office for private gain . During his tenure at NASA government climate data was falsified to show warming which previously showed cooling. These changes make recent articles like this one into unbelievable poppycock.
noah zarkMarch 23, 2016 9:15 am
+1 for reality!
CigarMarch 23, 2016 5:23 am
Hansen has lost all credibility, even one of his most ardent supporters, Elizabeth Kolbert, suggested after his arrest that he should remove himself from the movement. The best that can be said of him is that he believes in the agenda so much that he's lost objectivity, he continues to be an embarrassment to all legitimate scientists.
CigarMarch 23, 2016 4:58 am
I believe anything this man publishes should be accompanied by a current psychological examination, the best that can be said of him is that he believes so much in his agenda that he cannot be objective on anything connected to it. When he was arrested even his strong supporter Elizabeth Kolbert wrote that he should remove himself from the movement.
Brian HMarch 23, 2016 2:35 am
And in 25 years the number of small island states drowned, or even affected by, rising seas remains ZERO.
Mike HermanMarch 23, 2016 1:24 am
LOL. The end is always decades away. The first end of the world was coming in 2000, then postposed to 2015. Since it's always decades away, I'm not worried.
Carlo_CastellaniMarch 22, 2016 8:22 am
The article casts worries on who will pay the bill in the future, but doesn't spend a word on results obtained spending all that money. Worrying about forests or about the REDD+ bureaucrats' pockets?
MalluMarch 21, 2016 3:20 pm
So emmissions go up but people think there is no problem Germany is still the leader in fighting climate change, even though the results are the exact opposite. Seems legit.
N. Sankara MenonMarch 20, 2016 3:50 am
we should make rules saying if Indian products AND SERVICES are barred from US market an equivalent value of product imports in areas where domestic products are available will attract 100% customs duty or something quite within the law. If they can impose huge fees on H1-B visa or bar services then the loss can be estimated and non-essential goods of that value will have 100% duty imposed. the law has to be studied and work around managed. Having said that, this article is a BS intended to cover up american perfidy
Patrick MooreMarch 19, 2016 2:06 pm
per capita emissions than Germany, due to 70% nuclear and only 2 coal plants compared to 32 in Germany, is never praised for it's lower CO2 emissions. Eventually the warmist religion will ne shown for what it is, pure fabrication and fear-mongering.
Mark PawelekMarch 19, 2016 12:31 pm
Germany hasn't been able to reduce its per capita emissions since 2009. Your 2014 data is somewhat in conflict with that produced by the EDGAR database. I've collected the EU28+2 per capita emissions here (source: EDGAR DB): http://greenfallacies.blogspot.com/2016/02/no-german-carbon-dioxide-emission.html
Tom RadeckiMarch 19, 2016 10:54 am
Buying international carbon offsets is a phony scheme, just like biodiesel soy and palm oil. In fact, European corporations are buying African and Asian forests and chopping them down to produce to "biodiesel" for EU cars which then spew massive amounts of nitrogen oxides and soot into the air. Of course, these don't count because they are hidden by the dishonest EU laboratory testing system. It's about time the EU actually stop burning coal and diesel, stop eating beef and dairy, stop flying airplanes right and left. Carbon offset schemes have been proven highly dishonest on multiple occasions.
Patrick MooreMarch 19, 2016 4:15 am
The hypocrisy continues apace. Note the lack of devout warmists commenting here. Of course France . with half the
Tom RadeckiMarch 18, 2016 6:10 pm
The EU has a bogus carbon trading system where it costs $6 a ton for the right to pollute the atmosphere and kill fellow humans. Stanford University research conservatively estimates that the environmental impact of a ton of carbon is $220. Europeans like to pretend that they are clean, responsible people. Nothing could be further from the truth. They refuse to cut beef and dairy out of their diets and in fact lead the world in per capita dairy consumption. They refuse to cut back on air travel which is growing at 5.5% per year with a huge climate impact. They refuse to could the embodied footprints of imported good. The average European has a huge carbon footprint today. They justify this by pointing at the U.S., Australia, and Canada. In fact, we need to get to carbon zero by 2030 at the latest. We have a global emergency much worse than even World War II. It is good though that Germany has promoted renewables and shown that their grid is actually more stable than it used to be. I wouldn't abandoned old nuclear plants until their useful life is over, but new nuclear is just too expensive. Poland loves its coal and doesn't give a damn about the rest of the world. They'll use any excuse to attack renewables.
Tom RadeckiMarch 18, 2016 5:56 pm
It's sad that Germany has made no progress whatsoever in lowering its carbon footprint in six years. Also, the dishonest EU system for nitrogen and soot pollution from diesel cars has been strongly supported by the German government as a favor to its auto industry. The EU is chopping down forests in the U.S. for its power plants and forests in Africa and Asia for biodiesel palm oil and soy oil claiming that it is carbon neutral while it is several times worse than coal. The 95% goal is definitely an improvement, but further and much more rapid reductions are actually needed. The future of life on Earth looks very bad for billions of humans and a massive number of animal species. Global warming is going to be a lot worse than 99% of the public thinks.
Marc BakerMarch 18, 2016 8:08 am
You make some important points Alex and if you've done your homework you should also acknowledge the pre-REDD project warnings, corruption, failure of governance. Blaming Norway and the global framework is simplistic.
WillMarch 18, 2016 2:10 am
Recent "explosive" global warming and NOAA's straight-line warming trend between 1950-2013 clearly debunked global warming "hiatus" optimism. More worrying for all is the fact that even this warming trend line can no longer be used to predict warming and likely temperatures as the recent upward rise in temperatures is clearly indicating a tangential, exponential rise. At this point a global climate emergency must be declared by scientists. Think about a canoe just about to tip over...Quick decisive action has to be taken immediately to correct a complete tip-over.
Igor KarlićMarch 17, 2016 5:28 pm
The only way to approach the goal would be to replace all gas and thermal plants with nuclear in next 4 years.
Tom RadeckiMarch 17, 2016 12:15 am
Birol is not to be trusted. Just one year ago, he was urging more oil exploration due to a supposed projected short fall. The IEA supposed stalling of emission growth is very likely not true. So much is bogus about government reported data. The EPA now says methane emissions in the U.S. are much worse than reported just last year. A recent satellite study documented that deforestation is much greater in the 34 countries studied than the governments have reported. The EU diesel nitrogen oxide and soot emissions are much greater than the governments claimed. China may be more honest now, but in the past year they admitted that coal usage in recent years was much greater than reported. The list goes on. I think this article gives far too much trust to governmental data. We know that petroleum sales are steadily increasing at 2% per year, that natural gas production is accelerating, that coal mining was still setting new record levels as of December, 2014, that CO2 emissions in the past year to February, 2016, accelerated to the highest amount ever. There is also preliminary satellite evidence that large methane emissions are starting to appear in the Arctic. The IEA has been a highly corrupt, pro-fossil fuel agency, repeatly poo-pooing renewable energy growth as recently as this year. By painting a rosy picture, Birol is weakening the case for emergency action. Global warming is an immediate climate emergency. We have already burned too much fossil fuel to avoid a 2C increase in global temperature this century. The IPCC used a Transient Climate Sensitivity of only 1.8C where as it is virtually certain that the TCS is at least 3.0C scientifically. This means that the IPCC has underestimated future warming by 60%. We must leave 100% of all fossil fuels in the ground as of today. Death is rushing at us. We have a crisis even worse than World War II. We need to stop making all fossil fuel vehicles and make only EVs. We need to massively build out land-based wind and solar. We need a very high tax on air travel, beef, and dairy and any use of fossil fuels. We need to incarcerate anyone committing deforestation. We need to markedly promoted negative population growth.
Tom RadeckiMarch 16, 2016 11:47 pm
The EU has been so hypocritical for so long. The chopping down of American forests for EU power plants, the destruction of African and Asia forests for "bio-"diesel soy and palm oil, the bogus carbon trading system where the right to pollute one ton of CO2 into the atmosphere sells for US$6, the refusal to count the embodied footprints of imported goods, the continued heavy burning of coal and lignite, the huge subsidies for fossil fuels, the huge nitrogen oxide and soot emissions of diesel cars, the massive expansion planned for air travel, the fact that Germany has not lowered its emissions at all in six years, Norway's plan to expand Arctic exploration for gas deposits, and more. I lived for two years in Europe and speak five European languages, but I wouldn't visit there, even if there were a low carbon way of getting there, due to the heavily polluted air in their cities. How can Europeans live in such filth. Why are they killing themselves in such great numbers?
John HughesMarch 16, 2016 3:49 pm
This article starts: "Global greenhouse gas emissions resisted a rise for a second straight year in a sign climate policies are working, the leading energy forecaster projected on Wednesday." Which is, of course, wrong. The IEA say "data show CO2 emissions from energy stalling for 2nd year in row". CO2 emissions from energy. Not greenhouse gas emissions from all sources. Just CO2 emissions from energy.
severeanxiety767March 16, 2016 2:14 pm
Electric grid power is only 20% of total world energy demand. It takes 10X as much intermittent power to shut down 1 fossil fuel plant. Therefore, we need 10X as much electric grid power to stop 20% of emissions. You've no doubt heard Naomi Klein talk about the green jobs boom. The 2013 Top 10 Solar Panel makers made 75 million panels that year. 7 million in the U.S.A. vs. 68 million in Asia. That's why solar panels are so cheap. If the truth frightens you, avoid these links. No Soil & Water Before 100% Renewable Energy https://lokisrevengeblog.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/no-soil-water-before-100-renwable-energy/ 50 Shades Of Solar Power https://lokisrevengeblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/09/solar-wind-energy-for-adults-only/
Robin_GuenierMarch 16, 2016 9:11 am
"Around 40 new coal power plants are planned up to 2030, according to the Global Coal Plant Tracker." So Japan plans to meets its climate obligations by building more coal plants - a novel concept. More here: http://www.powerengineeringint.com/articles/2016/02/japan-re-embraces-coal-power.html
OtterMarch 16, 2016 9:05 am
They can't possibly build all those new coal-fired power plants with CCS. First, CCS required around 40% of the plants energy output in order to run' properly'- that's a Huge waste of energy and the cost will be passed onto the customer. And bring those nukes back online, FAST! 3rd, CCS has been shown to be a FAIL because the liquid CO2 clogs right at the end of the pipe. You can't pump it into the ground fast enough. Even greenpiss says it won't work. GO, Japan! And bring those nukes back online, FAST!
Tom RadeckiMarch 15, 2016 5:59 pm
Germany's Energiewendung is a joke. Germany has made absolutely no emissions progress since 2009. Of course even the figures in this article are bogus, just like Germany's Volkswagen diesel nitrous oxide and soot emissions, their huge footprints from palm oil and soy diesel, their bogus carbon trading system, and their plan to keep digging up and burning coal for another 34 years or more. Their energy minister should be fired. He's so ignorant. The economics of burning fossil fuels is extremely bad when the massive destruction caused by their CO2 pollution is included as it absolutely must be. He takes the highly immoral position of living high on the hog today while cursing future generations with massive destruction, starvation, and death. He's guilty of murder and should be imprisoned for many years. The best estimate is that 150 tons of emissions now will cause one more human death later this century (Mike Berners-Lee, How Bad Are Bananas?). That is a conservative estimate, especially since animal life has some value, too, as do humans after 2100 since the CO2 will keep heating the Earth for 300-900 more years. Still, based on that estimate, the EU values one human life at $900 (150 times six Euros).
EcoHustlerMarch 15, 2016 12:58 pm
Thinking differently about how we grow food creates a world of opportunity. Reimagine agriculture to #rewild the land: http://www.ecohustler.co.uk/2015/10/21/reimagine-agriculture-to-rewild-the-land/
ben welgoedMarch 15, 2016 1:57 am
I don't know how people can gloss over this article's data content: The anomaly now is +10 °C (+18 °F) in the arctic (relative to 1951-1980): WOW, and yes, you can say that again.
theoldsheepherderMarch 14, 2016 3:48 pm
Fostering the development of green energy is best done after the electric co-op model circumventing the monopolies held, and the rigged market influences of fossil fuels. The model should be a regional model where the particular green energy best suited for the region defines the border of the region. Our country could be seen as about 8-9 different energy regions. An example would be in the region surrounding Denver where seismic activity is on tap a few feet down, geothermal energy development should be exploited because it's cheaper and much more available than other areas. Efficiency of the grid is critical and nanotechnology is the key to making the grid more efficient. "Toasted" chicken feather particulate reduces resistance in the transmission of electricity. Burying this waste when slaughtering chickens is bad for the environment. Government agencies can work with farmers to recover this resource to rebuild a 21st century grid. We are only limited by a handful of fossil fuel multi billionaires playing a game of who dies with the biggest pile of crap.
Alex ScottMarch 12, 2016 6:28 am
This phenomena can be danger sign for recent future. Antarctica have been the craziest place ever: http://guff.com/proof-that-antarctica-is-the-craziest-place-on-earth and things happen their can affect globally. I hope researchers will find some way and try to know reason behind this. but there are many natural phenomena which are beyond human control. We can hope for the best.
potrzebieMarch 10, 2016 11:05 pm
All the methane that spewed out of Southern California for months this year and last is really going to help things too. On the east coast in the mid-Atlantic, temperatures stayed in the 80' right up until Dec 24th last year. Now, they're in the 80's and records have been broken for the last three days. Last year was the world's hottest on record. The year before that was the hottest on record. ANYBODY WHO DENIES GLOBAL WARMING AND CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN IDIOT, OR A LIAR, OR BOTH...........PERIOD.
Zosha123March 9, 2016 3:04 pm
What part of another 35 MORE years of climate action delay to save the planet don't you fear mongers get?
Robin_GuenierMarch 9, 2016 1:06 pm
"... emerging economies like India ... accept tougher global carbon-cutting goals." That's incorrect. Take India for example. Under its "Intended Nationally Determined Contribution" (INDC) submitted to the UN prior to the Paris conference, no CO2 reduction target was set - its commitment being only to reduce the carbon intensity of GDP. That's measured from 2005 and half the indicated reduction in intensity has already been achieved - yet overall emissions have risen massively. Likewise Chinese experience shows that, in a maturing economy, increased efficiency does not mean reduced emissions. The reality is that, if India's economy is to grow and its poverty levels are to be reduced, it will have to hugely increase its total energy consumption. If that means increased emissions (as it does) that's specifically permitted (for a developing country) under the UNFCCC/Paris Agreement. LINK: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/environment/pollution/India-submits-its-climate-action-plan-asks-rich-nations-to-cooperate-in-achieving-its-goal/articleshow/49189501.cms
davidMarch 9, 2016 9:24 am
It's basically voluntary thanks to Cameron.Shiromani Akali Dal 'The prime minister won a battle to keep policies aimed at boosting renewables and saving electricity voluntary for member states.Shiromani Akali Dal “It’s important that you’ve got flexibility over your energy mix” Sabing energy and reneable energy is less important to hom than national sovereigny in the interest of his best friends in the energy business.Akali Dal
davidMarch 9, 2016 9:12 am
I don't see why nuclear is even necessary. Southern Europe is blessed by sun most of the year, and the Atlantic Coast and North Sea with wind. It's just a matter of Europe acting as one rather than fragmented bits. We really need a 'concert of Europe' for the 21st century. Having an integrated transmission network can bring solar power up from Greece and Spain into Central and Western Europe, as well as offshore wind power. Shiromani Akali Dal
Calamity_JeanMarch 8, 2016 7:35 pm
"...despite because of his obviously more realistic understanding of climate change and the dangers it poses, Tea Party frothers, Reince Priebus, the Koch Bros™, and Sheldon Adelson would never allow it."
FIFY
Paul MatthewsMarch 8, 2016 5:59 pm
There was another paper a few months ago that found much the same thing: "Overall, these four positive frames have little to no effect on ACC beliefs." http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/tops.12171/full
Climate HomeMarch 8, 2016 8:39 am
Hi Vijay We cover India's energy poverty very closely, as you will see if you look at the site. My point is the reason India's solar manufacturing sector is not performing appears to be down to the government failing to tackle below-cost dumping from China and also failing to develop the environment for the industry to flourish at home. The quote you picked out comes from a KPMG report I cited which touches on this issue. I don't doubt the current government has policies, but blaming the WTO for hobbling its solar aims (as many articles did) is simply inaccurate ed
Fernando LeanmeMarch 6, 2016 9:05 am
That won't do. We are running out of oil in a hurry. There's a real need to find a replacement.
cascadian12March 6, 2016 4:48 am
Apparently, you don't understand the connection between drought and climate change, and climate change and fossil fuels... The last thing we need to do is add more CO2 to the air. In fact, all the climate deniers who delayed action for so long ought to be lined up and shot. You also assume your "solutions" will neatly support your conservative agenda. Nope! There are no solutions except to stop screwing up the climate. What we need to do is use solar energy to create hydrogen fuel. "Extreme environmentalism" is exactly what we need. Trees everywhere, with penalties for cutting them down; aquifer recharge (use aquifers for storage); agro-ecology,..
Fernando LeanmeMarch 6, 2016 4:03 am
COP21 was a polítical event, the UN Climate bureaucracy is like the UN human rights committee, a fairly useless body. Most climate NGOs are designed to capture funds but do nothing useful, the people mentioned in the article above lack the education and experience to know how to design a truly effective action plan, the seriousness of the problem is overstated, it has been dirtied by a close linkage to centralized power Stalinists and communists, and there are way too many insect like "consultants" hovering around to turn this into a messy looking affair. In simpler words, it's a botch, a kludge, and doesn't really rate as much attention as some wish.
David DunnMarch 5, 2016 7:50 pm
Just what happens when there is s leak like the one in Califoria with methane ?
jxxx mxxxMarch 5, 2016 2:12 pm
"It’s all good for government to engage and come to common ground BUT".... that "but" is the but of elitism and progressism and we-know-better-than-you-ism and we-own-you-ism... and socialism
Tom RadeckiMarch 5, 2016 1:40 pm
Carbon capture is a very expensive option. It should only be used after all fossil fuel usage is halted worldwide. Then, its high cost may still be reasonable as a way to extract carbon out of the atmosphere. We need to massively expand renewables quickly and eliminate all usage of fossil fuels and all deforestation as well as beef, dairy, and air travel along with worldwide birth control. Global warming is coming on fast and it is essentially irreversible. Billions of humans will die this century and many animal species will go extinct. Without rapid action, it will be even worse.
ThomasJKMarch 5, 2016 12:48 pm
The book of Genesis in The Bible hints very strongly that drought and famine have recurred cyclically in Northeastern Africa for at least the past 4,000 years. Ethiopia is largely dependent upon the annual monsoon rains which, in turn, provide the water to flood the Nile River upon which prosperous agriculture along the Nile depend. Famine is cyclical and likely has been for most of the millions of years of homo habitation in Northeast Africa. Is climate change a contributor? Most likely, it is having an effect and most likely it has always had an effect. Is CO2 a major factor? Elifino, but I doubt the effects that are legitimately attributable to CO2 could be separated out from the changes that are due to orbital and celestial factors.
Gourav Kumar kohliMarch 5, 2016 7:14 am
Punjab is the only state where uses the solar power plant 75 % . Shiromani Akali Dal
Tom RadeckiMarch 4, 2016 12:27 am
Carbon nanotubules might make a good battery component, but the amount of carbon would be miniscule compared to the carbon emitted by a gasoline or diesel vehicle or that emitted by a power plant, or making concrete or nitrogen fertilizer or emitted by a cow in the form of methane. The battery might use a couple pounds of carbon, but just one gallon of gasoline has almost seven pounds of carbon. So, this is a silly article acting like this is a significant step toward stopping global warming. Every little bit helps, but this is an awful tiny step.
Faiyaz PashaMarch 3, 2016 8:48 am
The Indian Prime Minister, like the American President are good, exceptional. They think, say & do what is good for humankind apart from their own people. Therefore, scared by the advice of their folk scientists, go & gun for easy alternatives. One is going for solar panels and the other is gunning the throats of fossil fuels. For India, we have a blueprint to generate 2.5 million MWs of Renewable Energy in the next decade; we also know how to burn the fossil fuels without any of the emissions; that is the energy we need to day not 25 years later. In fact, India can declare 100% emission cuts within the next decade from to-day. But the policy makers, the pundits are busy twirling what is on their skulls rather than putting in to use what is inside them. They do not have the time to open and read what is submitted by others in the country. It is a huge population; there are any number of applications or submissions; where is the time to open up, read, understand, appreciate & approve what every Tom, Dick & Harry writes. So goes the saying, unless it is US, Japan, China or and now, the Arabs who own the dough.
BillhookMarch 3, 2016 7:56 am
Megan - I'm sorry to see such a wholly uncritical account of the UK's CCS prospects on Climate Home. There are pivotal shortcomings to this technology that mean it cannot, and will not, act as more than a greenwash for continued fossil fuel dependence, which is already being seen in new FF development proposals' being touted as "CCS-ready." First, the title CCS is patently misleading since it is not about 'Carbon Capture and Storage'; it is about 'Carbon Dioxide Capture and Storage" [rightly 'CDCS'] which entails the handling of 3.664 times the gigatonnes of material, and doing so in the form of high pressure liquefied CO2 - which is potentially highly lethal - rather than handling carbon in its inert, benign and valuable natural form known as charcoal. Second, using CDCS to sequester even a small fraction of daily global CO2 output would require new infrastructure equivalent to the entire infrastructure heritage of the global oil industry, plus all of the emissions from producing, processing and transporting the necessary concrete and steel. Consider, with a 2015 all-liquids global oil output of 96.5m b/d, and 6.29 barrels/m3, daily oil output is of about 15.34m m3. With a 2015 CO2 output of 35.7Gts, a mere 16% amounts to 15.65Mts CO2/day which when liquefied at 315psi to 1.012Ts/m3 equals 15.42m m3. Thus the sequestration of 16%, less than 1/6th, of global CO2 output means capturing, purifying, compressing, piping and pumping into suitable geology a volume of CO2 equal to the entire global daily oil output. Third, even on this grossly deficient scale of <1/6th of CO2 output, CDCS would require multiple pipelines running across every developed country from the dispersed major point sources of CO2 to the chosen geologies' insertion sites. With CO2 being heavier than air, and the great majority of towns and cities having developed in river valleys, this poses an untenable security threat. It would require only a small Daesh team armed with spades to dig down to a high-pressure pipeline - on a night when a gentle breeze is blowing towards a sleeping town or city downhill - and plant a small phone-detonated bomb to rapidly release the pipeline's contents between 20km pumping stations to drift down over the target. Since CO2 is undetectable by our senses and in sufficient concentration is lethal in a few minutes, the casualty roll from a single attack would be potentially massive. Thus CDCS even on this grossly deficient scale would face implacable public resistance making its deployment politically impossible - as Cameron's security advisors may have pointed out to him, leading to the recent unexplained u-turn on the CDCS competition. Fourth, there is a large opportunity cost to boosting CDCS. With the fossil fuel lobby and unwary journalists alike having promoted CDCS over the last 25 years as the only serious option, even though it is still only a pipe-dream this has marginalized and excluded viable highly preferable options from public recognition and investment. While the Paris CoP21 committed to the Carbon Recovery mode of geoengineering under "Net-zero emissions in the 2nd half of the century," it is very clear that alongside phasing out fossil fuels the peak of airborne CO2 must be reduced and its date advanced by Carbon Recovery techniques if various appalling consequences of climate destabilization are to be avoided - including the onset of serial global crop failures and the geopolitical destabilization they would generate. Arguably the most benign, affordable and scaleable of these techniques is that known as "Carbon Recovery for Food Security". To avoid the 3.664 increment it utilizes charcoal, which is currently exported at ~£300/T fob by developing countries. That price equates to ~£82/TCO2, but it reflects both unsustainable forestry (with livestock usually allowed to graze off the regrowth thus killing the forest) and also wildly inefficient conversion with as little as 10% of the wood's carbon being recovered as charcoal. The requisite scale of charcoal sequestration is still huge, at around 2.1GtC per ppmv of airborne CO2, but using the 1.6GHa.s of non-farmland identified in the joint WWF-WRI study as available for afforestation the cleansing of the atmosphere could potentially be achieved during this century. The most benign and efficient mode of afforestation is that of "Native Coppice Afforestation for Biochar and Coproduct Methanol", whereby trees are harvested at 7 to 20yrs and regrown from the stump (giving ~20% faster growth due to the large extant root-ball). The feedstock wood is converted in ~70% efficient village-scale retorts (a moderate efficiency rather than high cost high tech systems) with about 28% of the wood's energy potential released as hot hydrocarbon gasses that are readily converted to the liquid fuel methanol [CH3OH]. The charcoal is then milled and charged with compost or dung suitable for the farmland it is to be used in where it is plowed in to act as both a soil-moisture regulator and fertility enhancer. While the costs of afforestation and the retort-yards' later development will need to be met up front, the operational costs will be at least partly offset by the two revenue streams from the products' sale. This implies that the overall costs from a new global industry in carbon sequestration are likely to be well below £82/TCO2 sequestered. Since Climate Home clearly doesn't intend to act as an apologist for the fossil based status-quo, it would be good to see articles focused on this and other sustainable and effective options for actual CCS. Regards, Lewis (Billhook)
Faiyaz PashaMarch 3, 2016 7:07 am
I submit that there is insufficient knowledge in respect of the fossil fuels. The preponderance of this idiocy fueled by the achievements at the COP summits, particularly the Paris Summit are creating a scare or have already created sufficient scare which will impact global creativity and usher in despair. The fossil fuels are treasures the nature opened up for us which have been good in the past, which continue to be good at the present and will soar in future in their contribution to human creativity & prosperity. What happened was, somewhere in the middle or in the startup, greed overtook scientific achievements. Our forefathers, started burning them, the fossil fuels in glee, in wild & craze joy & pleasure. They did not care about the emissions as long as they were going into the atmosphere high above their heads. It is now that we are realizing the impact of the weight of the soaring emissions. They can be fired very profitably & scientifically; for one, the flue gases can create huge volumes of distilled water, perhaps much more than or equal to what rains give us, keep them running clean & fresh; for second, almost every inch of barren lands including the deserts can be brought under cultivation; for the third, they can create billions of jobs for almost every unemployed human; for the fourth, all this can be achieved without any pollution. There is the fifth & more. What needs to be done is that Corporations, this includes Governments, which are making huge profits extracting, taxing & selling them should spend on keeping & utilizing the flue gases, which they emit, on the ground which can only increase their profits and business and bring in more prosperity to humans everywhere.
ditiki saharaMarch 2, 2016 10:25 pm
#ReferendumNow #GivePeaceAChance http://www.westernsahara-referendum.org/?lang=en
NeilMarch 2, 2016 8:33 pm
. “You can either decarbonise industrial areas of the UK or the government accepts we allow them all to die and reskill the labour force.” Let them die and reskill I say, there's a brighter greener future.
Shelley Falk-OuelletteMarch 2, 2016 7:26 pm
If Trudeau and McKenna were serious about reducing carbon, why have they allowed the construction of the site c dam in northeastern BC? The flood zone includes huge tracts of old growth and boreal forest which are natural carbon sinks. they collect and store vast amounts of carbon from our atmosphere. They are being cut down and cleared to be replaced by a reservoir that emits methyl mercury, carbon and methane on a grand scale. This will add so much to our GHG emissions that it would render our GHG targets redundant. Seriously?
xoussefMarch 2, 2016 11:12 am
I have no beef in this particular dispute, but I just noted that what you are pointing out are mainly incentives to set up power generation, not manufacture the equipment to use in said power generation. That is not the same thing. Any government, with the promise of such a big market should look into specific incentives for PV and other RE equipment manufacturers and go lobbying them. No one is happy with China's quasi monopoly on the market, and the promise of competitive manufacturing costs plus the size of the domestic market should be enough to entice China's competitors. But first, get your incentives tailored right. Otherwise, you'll just end up with companies buying equipment from China and selling electricity to India.
xoussefMarch 2, 2016 10:56 am
My understanding is that funding goes to the UNFCCC, not the host country.
Dr.MMarch 1, 2016 4:53 pm
This article is baseless, false, and it offers no facts as he didn't back up his claims with not a single source. The majority of the EU members are supporting Morocco against the court decision, and stated in many occasions that that they will appeal the decision. Furthermore, just yesterday, Spain came out strongly in support of Morocco and declared that its economic ties with the north African country will not be impacted by the court decision and Spain as well as other European governments with strong ties to Morocco, including France and Germany, are ready to challenge the court decisions. Please do some fact checking before writing a useless article.
Biologyteacher100March 1, 2016 12:36 pm
China is doing a great job reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Colum Road MassiveMarch 1, 2016 11:13 am
Harry Redknapp?
Vincent PawlowskiFebruary 29, 2016 11:32 pm
Alex, the quote about the #1 polluter is unclear, and readily disputed on many levels. I am tired of US writers (even well intentioned) pointing fingers at China. Its like buying into the so-called hiatus, that has been disproven. Is the quote presuming China is the #1 polluter? If so, that is not entirely true, and only serves to give those in the United States reasons to keep polluting. Greenhouse gas pollution is cumulative, not instantaneous. China's carbon emissions are high from manufacturing goods shipped to US and the rest of the world. Their per capita emissions are still much lower than USA. Lastly, we are not properly measuring US methane pollution. Please consider a more comparative approach.
davefinniganFebruary 29, 2016 10:45 pm
This is the most dire planetary emergency in history and it is treated like a tiny problem that we can pass on to our children. If you have grandchildren, or expect to have them, you should be pressing your community to get completely off of fossil fuels now. We should be making very visible awards in every community for “climate conscious citizens.” We need a different ethos. When you see a faucet running and nobody using the water, you turn it off, even if you do not own the faucet or pay the water bill. We need to all accept the idea that when you see a light burning, and nobody using the illumination, you should turn it off. There is no use for street lights, vanity lighting, decorative lighting or luxury lighting. Everyone’s wasteful habits hurt all of us. Take responsibility to instal solar panels on your own roof and drive a plug-in electric car, stop flying, shift all your bulbs to LEDs and get everyone you know to do the same as quickly as possible. These steps are feasible and affordable. We need a community award program that puts a big “gold star” in the front yard of everyone who significantly reduces their carbon footprint, with additional “gold stars” for every further reduction.
geoff ChambersFebruary 29, 2016 8:58 pm
There's something surrealist about western analysts patiently plotting graphs trying to estimate the future CO2 emissions of the only country in world history to have embarked on such a stupendous programme of planned growth. The authors are lucid enough to admit that they don't know whether emissions will be 15 million or 6 million units in 2030. It takes a massive effort of imagination to conceive the true extent of our ignorance of what will happen to this colossal experiment. China is busy buying major European ports and airports. By 2030 they may well be on Mars. As a small example of the kind of economic development we haven't even begun to contemplate, take this item from: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/26/the-new-silk-roads-and-the-rise-of-the-chinese-dream/ “Earlier last week, the first Chinese commercial train, with 32 containers, arrived in Tehran after a less than 14-day journey from the massive warehouse of Yiwu in Zhejiang, eastern China, crossing Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan... And we’re not even talking about high-speed rail yet – which in a few years will be installed all along from eastern China to Iran and onward to Turkey and, crucially, Western Europe...” With projects like this underway, it is difficult to imagine that they are going to be paying too much attention to their carbon footprint.
tikbalangFebruary 28, 2016 11:09 pm
you left out Kevin Rudd (Australia) - a former Prime Minister on the hunt for a high-profile UN job. Rumour is that he is making a run for UNSG, but if that doesn't look likely to pan out, UNFCCC chief might make a good fit for someone who once said climate change was the greatest moral challenge of our time...
s_c_fFebruary 28, 2016 3:53 pm
The high of 10 C the other turned out to be 12 C. Yet there was no doom. In fact, nobody even noticed. Fancy that.
mike flanaganFebruary 27, 2016 1:47 pm
I regret to inform you Pa that there is growing number of us, who also have followed the national and international debate on Climate Change and attempts to address it in an internationally cooperative manner for many years, consider the Paris conference and accords as a failure. Little to nothing has happened since Paris and the science of climate change offers more damning projections every week with emissions of the offending gases increasing on both national and international measurements unabated.
Vijay RajFebruary 27, 2016 8:27 am
As usual ! No surprises here. No mention of the differences in the state of poverty between the west and India. A majority of articles concerning India's role in renewable sector, always fail to highlight the sensitivity of India's energy policy on its economic growth. And this quote “The Indian government… has inadvertently created hostile conditions for electronics manufacturing which has made foreign manufacturers close even existing facilities........what is it doing to boost its domestic manufacturing capacity?.” Ed, how would you substantiate this claim and question, given the visible moves the Modi government is making to address this issue 1. Fifth largest power generation portfolio. 2. Fifth largest wind energy producer. 3. 271.722 GW of installed capacity as of 31.03.2015. 4. Target of 1,00,000 MW of solar power by 2022. (you call this fourth point as Rhetoric) 5. India's Annual Solar installations to grow over four times by 2017. 10.86 GW of utility-scale solar and grid connected rooftop solar capacity will be added by 2016-17. And Ed a look at the measures taken by Modi government to ease Solar manufacturing and FDI. 6. Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) up to 100% is permitted under the automatic route for renewable energy generation and distribution projects subject to provisions of The Electricity Act, 2003. 7. Exemption from excise duties and concession on import duties on components and equipment required to set up a solar plant. 8. A 10-year tax holiday for solar power projects. 9. Wheeling, banking and third party sales, buyback facility by states. 10. Guaranteed market through solar power purchase obligation for states. 11. GBI schemes for small solar projects connected to a grid below 33KV. 12. Reduced wheeling charges as compared to those for conventional energy. 13. Special incentives for exports from India in renewable energy technology under renewable sector-specific SEZ. 14. A payment security mechanism to cover the risk of default by state utilities/discoms. 15. A subsidy of 30% of the project cost for off-grid PV and solar thermal projects. 16. Loans at concessional rates for off-grid applications. 17. From barely 20 MW in 2011, India’s installed solar capacity has increased to 3.74 GW as on 31.03.2015.
Robin_GuenierFebruary 26, 2016 11:33 pm
But "China’s commitment to the Paris Agreement on combating climate change last December" was essentially meaningless. The (yet to be ratified) Paris Agreement was adopted “under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change” (the UNFCCC) and did nothing to change the UNFCCC's categorisation of China as a "developing country". Under Article 4.7 of the UNFCCC, developing countries are expressly authorised to give overriding priority to "economic and social development" – even if that means increasing emissions. And that was reinforced by Article 4.4 of the Paris Agreement that restricts “absolute emissions reduction targets” to the developed countries whereas developing countries are required only to make voluntary “mitigation efforts”. Therefore China could adopt the "delay" – or even the "backslide" – scenario without being in breach of its Paris "commitment".
Mary GerdtFebruary 26, 2016 2:57 pm
Stop the Addison County, Vermont pipeline.
Tom RadeckiFebruary 26, 2016 1:38 pm
The government should regulate driverless cars so as to require energy efficiency. This means not having five or ten companies making exclusivity contracts with customers which would cause many more cars to sit around idle and cause cars to drive more miles to pick up customers. Instead, the closest available car should pick you up, just like many taxi systems do when people hail a taxi. Driverless cars will all be electric. They should be required to recharge only with zero carbon fuel. Trains aren't such a great deal. You have to travel to and from out of the way train stations. Trains are also very heavy. Perhaps local commuter trains are an exception, but low volume U.S. passenger trains and extremely expensive bullet trains are very wasteful. Most importantly, we need to very heavily tax air travel so as to markedly decrease its usage. Whereas tractors, trucks, trains, and cars will readily run on zero carbon electricity, air travel is highly dependent on fuels which will put carbon into the atmosphere, even if it is refined from algae. Yesterday and today are the two warmest days in modern global history at 1.01C above the 1980-2010 baseline or 1.6C above the COP21 baseline (Climate Reanalyzer). Global warming is certain to destroy much of the world as we know it.
AnandFebruary 26, 2016 11:11 am
India has a long list of stuff which should not be imported any way, Simply add Solar panels and that is it. WTO !!! Bullshit.
SSFebruary 26, 2016 5:32 am
The story reads a bit lop sided. Can't fathom how one can make no reference to India's Make in India initiative when writing a piece on SPV manufacturing in India - it is the next big thing on the manufacturing block in India. RE is a sector in which the Government wants to see manufacturing blossom. Of course there will be more of a challenge with DCR possibly going away - but if Indian manufactures are able to produce good quality, high efficiency panels - then there is certainly a market out there. Challenges/anxiety Indian Wind developers are now facing (ones who are locked into lower capacity turbines) - will be a reminder to Solar developers of benefits of opting for higher eff PVs - even if they come at a immediate cost.
nicholasmcgillFebruary 25, 2016 1:44 pm
Maybe having fewer babies temporally could be a partial solution, but people don't seem ready to acknowledge it yet.
Rik MyslewskiFebruary 24, 2016 9:40 pm
Think we could persuade Xie Zhenhua to run for president on the Republican ticket? It'd certainly raise the awareness of climate change from near zero to something a bit healthier in the Grand Old Party, and perhaps as president he could persuade a recalcitrant Congress to pass reasonable emission regulations. What's that you say? He a Communist? Well, then, never mind — despite his obviously more realistic understanding of climate change and the dangers it poses, Tea Party frothers, Reince Priebus, the Koch Bros™, and Sheldon Adelson would never allow it.
JencouverFebruary 24, 2016 6:56 pm
What about Janos Pasztor?
BobFebruary 24, 2016 2:08 am
Please be right
John WBFebruary 23, 2016 10:51 am
Slingo's a political propagandist who should have been retired from the Met Office years ago. Her record at the Met Office is abysmal, presiding over a series of disasters designed to promote the global warming meme at the expense of real scientific efforts to improve the forecasting capabilities beyond a couple of days. The Met Office has lost a great deal of credibility as a result of this woman's mismanagement of resources.
Danni CoyFebruary 23, 2016 7:16 am
Actually, the models on the super computers accurately predicted that there would be periods of up to twenty years where temperatures could stay more or less level or even drop slightly due to a confluence of relatively short term factors. What they don't predict is exactly when these periods will occur. The last 15 years or so isn't as big a problem for the models as you would imagine as looking back on it we do see a confluence of those short term factors. While it is true to say we didn't predict that such an event would happen over that time period we can look back and say that it is more likely than not that the reason that we saw less than predicted warming in the surface temperatures was because of those short term events which we can measure in hindsight. Your point about everybody agreeing that a pause had taken place simply isn't true. What everybody agreed on was that the warming was less than predicted. All the agencies who officially deal with this data wrote it up as less than expected but still an increase. The contrarians reinterpreted the data as there being a pause. Where did Stephen say it was ok to lie? I can't find any reference to that. The satellite data is not the gold standard -- The satellites don't measure temperature directly, modelling the temperature from the satellite requires rather exact calculations of where the satellite is and how it is traveling which may or may not be what the satellite is actually doing. In past when there have been discrepancies this has turned out to be the reason. As such the surface record is generally considered the primary data and the satellite data very useful supplementary data.
EvidentialistFebruary 23, 2016 3:06 am
Good, within 30 years these barbarians will collapse once and for all.
TheoldladyFebruary 22, 2016 8:12 pm
Let me see now, there is this one thing Obama has been trying to get passed in congress about the need for change to Green energy and building better aircraft to use better up-graded jet fuels, so why do people still fight against it?Not enough politicians take it seriously.
Eric JenningsFebruary 22, 2016 4:59 pm
The solution seems fairly simple, and it has a happy ending for 99% of the world. First, outlaw (upon pain of death) every activity that creates CO2 or methane. If that doesn't stop global warming dead in its tracks, nothing will. Second, after the global rebellion, where every participant in the global warming hoax has been imprisoned for life by the angry mobs, rescind every global warming law over the past 20 years and let everything go back to normal. Now, doesn't that sound fair and equitable?
GaelanClarkFebruary 22, 2016 11:12 am
Ahhhhh....how many were the first? Only to be deleted......can't face the truth? How pathetic your readership must be that you must shield them from the truth. Great Genews
Bobd06February 22, 2016 12:37 am
The sooner this scam goes down the better off we all will be. Oil and gas will be a large part of our energy portfolio for next 100 years at least. Wind and solar do not have enough energy density to be viable for large sale power generation.
Aubrey MeyerFebruary 21, 2016 2:34 pm
“Towards decarbonising the global economy: the direction of travel after COP21” Sir David King / UK Special Representative for Climate Change Date: 29 January 2016 - 11:30 Location: Room 1, IEA Headquarters, Paris http://www.gci.org.uk/Documents/King_IEA_29-Feb-2016.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtAWA4eor0A
John WBFebruary 21, 2016 10:06 am
It's going to take a lot to get rid of all these NGO scammers.
PoorCitizenFebruary 20, 2016 10:41 pm
"‘After Paris, what now?" Expect much more warming.
BrianFebruary 20, 2016 10:57 am
Germany has cut co2 some 23% since 1990, while the USA CO2 rose 5% and the rest of the world rose 61%. Since 2003, Germany has used 50TWH less coal, 68TWH less nuclear, and 115 TWH more renewables. The coal gov breaks and slight increase have not been needed domestically, as exports exceed the increases. Exported coal energy should not be counted as German energy emissions. The countries that buy it should be charged those emissions. Tax fossils, not carbon. trading has failed us. Lots of recent studies show solar and wind cheaper before gov breaks. search Lazard energy version 8. The IMF says fossils get 5.3T$ in gov breaks, not even including wars for oil and gas. It's too bad the coal miners can't imagine getting new jobs in renewables.
Benjamin BlairFebruary 20, 2016 9:42 am
This the lady who is on record saying she intended to use her office to fundamentally change the world economy. For this she was eminently qualified by having a one year diploma from the London School of economics. It was and remains a political appointment, and a bureaucratic one to boot. Nobody elects the holder who nevertheless gets a fat UN salary. This is paid for, -- you guessed it -- by taxpayers.
Tom WilsonFebruary 19, 2016 11:41 pm
What happened in Paris was NOT a binding treaty for the USA and our Congress did not vote to approve it....it will be completely ignored by our next president...a Republican!
CaptDFebruary 19, 2016 1:15 am
Lets be clear, using Nuclear is not in the interest of mankind, despite wha the nuclear industry tries to say.
Democracy1stFebruary 18, 2016 10:02 pm
This is very good news, given the recent uncertainty about the US commitment to COP21 that has been featured in the US media. It is imperative to stay positive about the big step forward all 195 countries took in December, 2015. The Paris climate summit was not covered in-depth enough so that average people could understand how important its global agreement is, both as a universal declaration, and as a morally symbolic global human intention. It is very important that we build on its successes and not allow vested interests to cast doubt on it or to derail it. I attended COP21 and upon returning to Canada made, with an independent film producer, a freely available user-friendly documentary about COP21, so that more people can understand what this historic conference achieved, and why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqchwR9eYts
Pac-islanderFebruary 18, 2016 9:47 pm
The title of this article is definitely a very sensitive one!! How can the author claim that we I-Kiribati people are the polar bears of the Pacific? The "are" in the title means that we (Kiribati people) are the polar bears!! I strongly oppose this title unless Anote explicitly stated in his comments! Sophie Yeo, I suggest that you need to be more sensitive, careful and diplomatic when writing your articles because I totally do not agree with what you call us here as 'polar bears'. Again, if you have references to Anote stating that we are the polar bears, then state it clearly and explicitly in the article! I don't see any direct quotes or evidence here except a "comparison" between the survivability of polar bears and us due to impacts of climate change! For the second time, I strongly oppose the title of this article!!
NewHampshireFebruary 18, 2016 7:43 pm
Obviously, since Obama can get away with this without being harmed over it, the criminals and international communists are fullly IN CHARGE
WillFebruary 18, 2016 4:10 pm
One solution for Pacific Island Nations to slow and then stop sea level rise is obvious. Lower CO2 levels in the atmosphere by growing and harvesting phytoplankton in the surrounding oceans. If they can show it works to lower CO2 levels safely, other nations will follow.
JitterbitsFebruary 18, 2016 12:28 pm
I've wondered this myself. This illustrates perfectly the self-serving (but ultimately self-defeating) myopia so prevalent in US corporate culture, in which a company's immediate profits take precedence over its long-term health. Had Exxon heeded the warnings of their scientists back in the 70's rather than waging a decades-long campaign discrediting their findings, had they invested into renewable energy instead what they invested into climate change denial, they could be at the international forefront of renewables technology. There is no reason that they couldn't have used their vast stores of wealth to the benefit of their shareholders AND the planet, but their greed ended up costing them (and the environment) in the long run.
JitterbitsFebruary 18, 2016 11:21 am
That's been my question for years! It's really quite confounding when you start thinking about it. If the oil companies had heeded the advice
Kvasa RakyatFebruary 18, 2016 7:36 am
How can France put Segolene Royal --- the queen of #NutellaGate, in charge of UN's globally important event like COP21?
MiloCrabtreeVIIFebruary 17, 2016 4:27 pm
Europe cannot do it with conservation and renewables and to believe so is to ignore reality.
LIBBY EINEMFebruary 17, 2016 4:33 am
There will soon be a landslide of divestment in fossil fuels !
LIBBY EINEMFebruary 17, 2016 4:17 am
Question. Why don't oil companies transition to renewables ?
Calamity_JeanFebruary 16, 2016 11:30 am
Wind will very probably be a greater share than solar in 2027. What I meant is that I hoped both would be much larger sources. I'd like to see solar as 30 or 35% and wind at around 50%. Tidal probably won't be nearly so much, because it depends a lot on rather limited circumstances of geography. By 2027 we need to be a long way towards 100% renewable energy, or our collective goose is going to be cooked.
TerryFebruary 16, 2016 9:00 am
I'm astounded that anyone posts that climate change is hogwash. That means that they must know more than Stephen Hawking! I had no idea that that were so many geniuses that have IQ's higher than Dr. Hawking!
TerryFebruary 16, 2016 8:58 am
Wow! Another poster who knows better than Stephen Hawking!! You are actually smarter than the greatest mind on the planet also! I would love to see you debate Hawking on this subject too. With your superior mind you could prove him wrong about climate change along with Bob right?
TerryFebruary 16, 2016 8:54 am
Wow! So you know better than Stephen Hawking!! You are actually smarter than the greatest mind on the planet! I would love to see you debate Hawking on this subject. With your superior mind you could prove him wrong about climate change, right?
MSClarionFebruary 16, 2016 1:12 am
Too bad they didn't see this coming sooner and the Army Corps of Engineers be a big part of preparing/ avoiding? this coming Change
MSClarionFebruary 16, 2016 1:07 am
"Unsustainable Taker (Scarcity Combatant) vs a Sustainable Leaver (Eco-Innocent)" - the TYGAE website is quite poetic, condensed. Lots of great info there but no mention of leaders working on this. Which ones do you mean?
DiogenesDespairsFebruary 15, 2016 9:36 pm
Fiji no doubt stands to get some money out of this, so who can blame them? But policy needs to be based on hard facts, not just money. Here are some crucial, verifiable facts - with citations - about human-generated carbon dioxide and its effect o n global warming people need to k now and understand Recommend following the links in the citations; some of them are very educational. The fact is, there has been global warming, but the contribution of human-generated carbon dioxide is necessarily so minuscule as to be nearly undetectable. Here's why: Carbon dioxide, considered the main vector for human-caused global warming, averages (over a year) some 0.038% of the atmosphere[1]- a trace gas. Water vapor varies from 0% to 4%[2], and should easily average 1% or more[3] near the Earth’s surface, where the greenhouse effect would be most important, and is about three times more effective[4] a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. So water vapor is at least 25 times more prevalent and three times more effective; that makes it at least 75 times more important to the greenhouse effect than carbon dioxide[5]. The TOTAL contribution of carbon dioxide to the greenhouse effect is therefore 0.013 or less. The total human contribution to atmospheric carbon dioxide since the start of the industrial revolution has been estimated at about 25%[6]. So humans’ carbon dioxide greenhouse effect is a quarter of 0.013, works out to about 0.00325. Total warming of the Earth by the greenhouse effect is widely accepted as about 33 degrees Centigrade, raising average temperature to 59 degrees Fahrenheit. So the contribution of anthropogenic carbon dioxide is less than 0.2 degrees Fahrenheit, or under 0.1 degree Centigrade. Global warming over the last century is thought by many to be about 0.6 degrees Centigrade. But that's only the beginning. We've had global warming for more than 10,000 years, since the end of the last Ice Age, and there is evidence temperatures were actually somewhat warmer 9,000 years ago and again 4,500 to 8,000 years ago than they are today[7]. Whatever caused that, it was not human activity. It was not all those power plants and factories and SUVs being operated by Stone Age cavemen while chipping arrowheads out of bits of flint. Whatever the cause was, it melted the glaciers that in North America once extended south to Long Island and parts of New York City[8] into virtually complete disappearance (except for a few mountain remnants). That's one big greenhouse effect! If we are still having global warming - and I suppose we could presume we are, given this 10,000 year history - it seems highly likely that it is still the overwhelmingly primary cause of continued warming, rather than our piddling 0.00325 contribution to the greenhouse effect. Yet even that trend-continuation today needs to be proved. Evidence is that the Medieval Warm Period centered on the 1200s was somewhat warmer than we are now[9], and the climate was clearly colder in the Little Ice Age in the 1600s than it is now[10]. So we are within the range of normal up-and-down fluctuations without human greenhouse contributions that could be significant, or even measurable. The principal scientists arguing for human-caused global warming have been demonstrably disingenuous[11], and now you can see why. They have proved they should not be trusted. The idea that we should be spending hundreds of billions of dollars and hamstringing the economy of the entire world to reduce carbon dioxide emissions is beyond ludicrous in light of the facts above; it is insane. Furthermore, it sucks attention and resources from seeking the other sources of warming and from coping with climate change and its effects in realistic ways. The true motivation underlying the global warming movement is almost certainly ideological and political in nature, and I predict that anthropogenic Global Warming, as currently presented, will go down as the greatest fraud of all time. It makes Ponzi and Madoff look like pikers by comparison. [1] Fundamentals of Physical Geography, 2nd Edition 
by Michael Pidwirny Concentration varies slightly with the growing season in the northern hemisphere. HYPERLINK "http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7a.html" http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7a.html [2] ibid. [3] HALOE v2.0 Upper Tropospheric Water Vapor Climatology Claudette Ojo, Hampton University; et al.. HYPERLINK "http://vsgc.odu.edu/src/Conf09/UnderGrad%20Papers/Ojo%20-%20Paper.pdf" http://vsgc.odu.edu/src/Conf09/UnderGrad%20Papers/Ojo%20-%20Paper.pdf. See p. 4.The 0 - 4% range is widely accepted among most sources. This source is listed for its good discussion of the phenomena determining that range. An examination of a globe will show that tropical oceans (near high end of range) are far more extensive than the sum of the earth’s arctic and antarctic regions and tropical-zone deserts (all near the low end). Temperate zone oceans are far more extensive than temperate-zone desert. This author’s guess of an average of 2% or more seems plausible. I have used “1% or more” in an effort to err on the side of understatement. [4 NIST Chemistry Webbook, Please compare the IR absorption spectra of water and carbon dioxide. ] HYPERLINK "http://webbook.nist.gov/" http://webbook.nist.gov/ [5] Three quarters of the atmosphere and virtually all water vapor are in the troposphere. Including all the atmosphere would change the ratios to about 20 times more prevalent and 60 times more effective. However, the greenhouse effect of high-altitude carbon dioxide on lower-altitude weather and the earth’s surface seems likely to be small if not nil. [6] National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration. HYPERLINK "http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/gases.html" http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/gases.html. The estimated 90ppm increase in carbon dioxide, 30% above the base of 280 ppm, to a recent reading of 370 ppm, equates to just under 25% of present concentration, the relevant factor in estimating present contribution to the greenhouse effect. [7] Oak Ridge National Laboratory http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nerc130k.html [8] New York Nature - The nature and natural history of the New York City region. Betsy McCully http://www.newyorknature.net/IceAge.html [9] Global Warming: A Geological Perspective John P. Bluemle HYPERLINK "https://www.dmr.nd.gov/ndgs/Newsletter/NL99W/PDF/globlwrmw99.pdf" http://www.azgs.az.gov/arizona_geology/archived_issues/Winter_1999.pdf This article, published by the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Agency, is drawn from a paper by the author in Environmental Geosciences, 1999, Volume 6, Number 2, pp. 63-75. Note particularly the chart on p.4. [10] Ibid. [11] Wikileaks: Climatic Research Unit emails, data, models, 1996-2009 HYPERLINK "http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996-2009" http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996-2009. See also HYPERLINK "http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246661/New-scandal-Climate-Gate-scientists-accused-hiding-data-global-warming-sceptics.html" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246661/New-scandal-Climate-Gate-scientists-accused-hiding-data-global-warming-sceptics.html and HYPERLINK "http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704075604575356611173414140.html" http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704075604575356611173414140.html and, more diplomatically: HYPERLINK "http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/science/01tier.html" http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/science/01tier.html. Et al. ADDENDUM What initially troubled me was the aberrant behavior of the climate research unit at East Anglia University, which had been the main data source for AGW arguments. They initially refused (!) to reveal their algorithms and data on the grounds that they were proprietary(!!). They responded to critics with ad hominem attacks and efforts to block their publication in scientific journals. Now, as I am sure you know, this is not how one does honest science, in which you PUBLISH your data and methodology and invite critical comment to ferret out error or oversights. It took the now-famous Wikileaks "Climategate" to pry loose the data and expose their machinations. Yet despite the devastating blow these revelations should have to their credibility, the AGW "cause" has taken on a life of its own. Fundamentally, the argument seems to rest on a logical fallacy, post hoc ergo propter hoc - after this, therefore because of this. We see a rise in temperature and a rise in (principally) carbon dioxide, and therefore conclude one must have caused the other. It does not necessarily follow at all. There can be other causes entirely behind both phenomena, and as you see above, almost certainly there are. Beyond that, I have encountered numerous assertions of fact that cannot add up given the physical properties of water vapor and carbon dioxide that go unchallenged. One-sided arguments proliferate and people arguing the other side are frequently denounced as being employed by business interests rather than rebutted on the merits. In sum, I have not come lightly to the conclusion that the AGW argument as it applies to carbon dioxide is largely untrue and certainly does not account for more than a very small, nearly negligible part of the phenomena we are seeing. The implications of widespread assertions of and belief in such an untruth are staggering, and potentially enormously destructive. It is unwise indeed to let oneself be stampeded in this matter, and stampede is clearly what many have been and are trying to induce. I can understand politicians behaving this way; a carbon tax or carbon trading regime would allow enormous revenues to fall into their hands. I can understand "Progressive" ideologues; it logically leads to enormous expansion of government power over industry, the economy, and the daily life of individuals, which they regard as a good thing. I understand the environmentalists; they want to shrink the size and impact on the environment of modern civilization. But responsible citizens need to put aside such considerations.
David DunnFebruary 15, 2016 1:39 pm
This is all inevitable , As I see it politicians will delay and delay and Obama may do more than anyone else along with China , but who gets into the US presidency may unravel a lot in the future. I may be pessimist but this only the start of a long haul of fundamental lifestyle changes that has to be implemented before any action happens on any effects on the planets climate , yet alone to mention all the other environmental disasters that are happening also which are excluded from any climate deals that politicians are worried about. The DEAL as proposed at COP21 is a non deal and although sets a target of 1.5 degrees C, which we are fast approaching already, does nothing in tangible terms to reduce the effects we are all placing on the planet on a daily basis. Tackling the crisis by asking big businesses to solve it alone will not be the most economic or socially acceptable way forward, surly we need individuals through their consumption habits to change the way all businesses and governments work, and this can only be done by restructuring the whole taxation system to reflect the damage being caused. As we see already self interests in terms of the major energy suppliers are already looking at new ways to perpetuate their being , and although we will need them into the future , not just as a fuel but as a plastic and chemical resource, which has been little considered to date. Oil with all its diversified sources will be the first to change as it is dynamic and has that ability , but coal and gas owned often and controlled by governments will be the slowest to change to new technologies and ways of providing a sustainable future, as we see already housing in the UK is still being built to poor standards of efficiency in terms of energy but also of longevity and of low carbon density.However there a few exceptions , but only a few and not the majority. The consumer is the one who has to pay the monetary price of any inaction and to me it is the monetary system that is the culprit , but also the solution and we need to fundamentally move towards a system which is directly linked with the performance of the planet in terms of sustainability of the planets eco systems. Politicians have to tackle the economic crisis and the way we all pay for the planets degradation and as in the past no big business has been held liable for their action except for a few action like BP and Exxon , but even they have escaped paying their dues in third world countries. Payment should not be paid by the taxpayer but the consumer who is directly consuming those goods and services , thus forcing real change of attitude and mind set change, at all levels of Natural Resource use.
Democracy1stFebruary 14, 2016 11:25 pm
The battle going on now over Obama's climate plan (promised to the COP21 meeting in Paris last December) will be determined by how well people in the wealthy Western nations understand how much is at stake in reducing carbon emissions. When I returned from COP21, I found that a high percentage of Canadians were not aware of the size or importance of the biggest meeting of nations since the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948. So I commissioned an independent film producer to help me make this freely available, lay-level "inside look" documentary about COP21. Hope you will have a look and pass it on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqchwR9eYts
bt govinda reddyFebruary 14, 2016 5:44 pm
i think wind and tidal energies play greater role by 2027, than solar
LisaFebruary 14, 2016 4:08 pm
Why is the first sentence covered by your comment. You are Altering words. Not a very good graphic design cover up.
HopsgegangenFebruary 14, 2016 11:31 am
Malthus and the climate models are likely both right in the long run.
HopsgegangenFebruary 14, 2016 11:30 am
The satellites may be "impartial" but they are not infallible. Being in space, they don't even measure temperature directly, but rather by interpretation on microwaves against a model. Orbits decay, sensors degrade, and models are adjusted to compensate. Read this to understand how satellite data is actually rather dubious. http://www.drroyspencer.com/2015/04/version-6-0-of-the-uah-temperature-dataset-released-new-lt-trend-0-11-cdecade/
Tom RadeckiFebruary 13, 2016 10:18 pm
This death count ignores the much more numerous global warming related deaths due to starvation, inadequate nutrition, and climate-induced violent conflicts, as well as deaths linked to climate-forced migrations. Such a small number of deaths cause people to think that global warming really isn't much of a concern. We need a more honest total accounting of the impact.
Robco1February 13, 2016 2:06 am
Looks like someone finally realized the stranded assets problem that has been driving thirty years of climate change denial by the fossil fuel lobby. When some 20% of the value of a company is tied up in assets that can't be converted into cash (i.e. burned) and still leave humanity with a livable planet, I'd say that company is not worth investing in. When that same company has funded a massive fraudulent PR campaign to deny the science exposing the worthlessness of those assets, and stands to be liable to the tune of $trillions? Well, you don't have to be a financial wizard to read the writing on THAT wall.
Andrea MuhrrteynFebruary 12, 2016 7:26 pm
Jai: Some leaders are working to prevent these disasters; by cooperating together to implement an Ecology of Peace international law social contract; which will require all the worlds citizens from all races, classes and religions to procreate and consume below ecological carrying capacity limits. Climate Change News is aware of the project; but for some or other reason has been totally silent about it. You can read more about it at: [ tygae . weebly . com ]
Russ HamiltonFebruary 12, 2016 6:49 pm
Seems like they have had to revise a number of data bases to make everything fit...
Russ HamiltonFebruary 12, 2016 6:47 pm
Devolves
Michael STAVYFebruary 12, 2016 5:45 pm
This is an impressive plant. Could you report the capacity (in MWh) and capacity factor (%) of this plant? The solar radiation at the plant (kW/sq meter) would also be interesting to know. Thank you!
geoff ChambersFebruary 12, 2016 12:45 pm
“when asked to identify the level of consensus among scientists, just 30% of middle school and 45% of high school teachers selected the correct option of 81-100%.” These were science teachers. One would hope that the majority would realise that the idea of establishing truth by consensus is scientific nonsense. The two studies cited in support of the consensus – Doran and Zimmerman and Cook et al. - are nonsense anyway. Cook stated before starting his “study” that he hoped to obtain a conclusion of 97%, and Ms Zimmerman has since criticised the use made of the study which was the basis of her PhD, in which just 78 out of ten thousand responses were give the result quoted.
Aubrey MeyerFebruary 12, 2016 10:02 am
There is a fundamental conflict here between science and policy where 'scientists' can't do both. The caveat-ridden language of the IPCC reports largely reflects that conflict that came to a climax in the deeply flawed RCP scenarios in the 5th Assessment Report of 2014: - http://www.gci.org.uk/RCPs.html There is already enough verified 'climate-science' to know that we don't want to go to where this science tells us we are heading in the future, towards potentially runaway rates of global climate change with devastating impacts. Climate-policy should therefore for be strategically focused on turning away from the direction to that future and going instead towards a future in which we are not threatened by runaway rates of global climate change. Scientists in the IPCC have done some remarkable work, however the IPCC as a whole has shied away from strategic shaping of the policy path. http://www.gci.org.uk/images/Easing-Squeezing.png
Robin_GuenierFebruary 11, 2016 8:25 pm
Perhaps the teachers are right. There's no evidence that "More than 95% of climate scientists attribute rising temperatures to human activities": http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/WrittenEvidence.svc/EvidenceHtml/4191
MattFebruary 11, 2016 3:49 pm
The "Summary for Policy Makers" is not a scientific report. It is compiled during week long meeting of IPCC government officials where "they" decide what will be written not scientists. The real scientific report is fairly benign, 0.79 degrees of warming in the last 150 years. Hurricanes, tornadoes and storms at the lowest levels seen in years. It has been more than 10 years since a category 3 or larger hurricane has hit the US mainland. I have been watching the climate for the last 30 years and to tell the truth I really cannot see what you are all afraid of. It was much warmer 1000 years ago.
climatehawk1February 11, 2016 2:55 pm
"It is hard for any company to envisage a future in which it becomes irrelevant." Pretty generous, given that this is the company that attempted to rebrand itself as "Beyond Petroleum."
Calamity_JeanFebruary 11, 2016 1:07 pm
But will they follow fast enough?
alyza nicoleFebruary 11, 2016 10:59 am
I know that many need coal. We should use it wisely. Cheap Coal Delivered
sbFebruary 11, 2016 3:45 am
Bob, you are correct that Syria was initiated by a drought. In fact every single country that has been destabilized in the Middle East first had a severe drought that caused civil unrest. Weather modification/geoengineering/weather warfare are to blame for this...same with the drought that is now scorching the US West Coast. www.geoengineeringwatch.org
Harry JohnsonFebruary 10, 2016 9:50 pm
Perhaps Mr Bloomberg and Mr Obama could team up and create a Planet Green organization and be an advocate for our environment and future.
Jai GuruFebruary 10, 2016 1:21 am
This shows you our "leaders" have no intention of preventing these disasters, rather they are learning to capitalize on them. Our system isn't just broken, it's evil. This is literal super villainy.
WonkotheSaneFebruary 9, 2016 7:41 pm
"Almost all of the renewable primary energy ends up providing consumers with useful energy services." This is bull. Electric motors are more efficient than combustion sources, but there is no 100% efficient mechanical device, no matter what the energy source.
Mogumbo GonoFebruary 9, 2016 4:48 pm
Supercomputers, satellites, ocean buoys and a legion of remote weather stations are now handing climate scientists record amounts of data to play with. Yes, those 'supercomputers' were all a big FAIL. Not one computer, or model, or human, was able to predict the most significant global temperature event of the past century: the fact that global warming stopped. Less than one year ago all sides of the 'climate' debate accepted the plain fact that global warming stopped many years before. There was no dispute; people were proposing dozens of reasons and explanations. But they all agreed that the so-called "pause" in global warming had taken place. But the Narrative has changed. Now, the alarmist crowd simply lies about it, by claiming that global warming never really stopped. That is the new talking point, and predictably, the alarmist lemmings are all on board with it. Stephen Schneider gave them permission to lie, when he told them that lying was A-OK when it's for a good cause. That nasty fallacy is called 'Noble Cause Corruption'. But lying is never OK, no matter what the cause. And they may believe they're convincing folks that global warming is chugging along as always. But people who understand that satellite data is the Gold Standard of global temperature accuracy know better. Global warming has stopped. The "pause" may be over in a few months. Or not. Or, the planet may start cooling. It's tough to predict the future. But the past is clear: global warming stopped many years ago. That is what impartial satellites are saying. Since the climate alarmist crowd can't refute satellite data (without lying about that, too), they play the only card left to them: they lie about global warming.
HopsgegangenFebruary 9, 2016 11:55 am
Actually, the predictions are pretty good, just a little off due to increased aerosols from China, which will eventually fade as China cleans up its air. http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/
geronimoFebruary 9, 2016 8:48 am
Fear of the future is as old as humanity itself. Remember Malthus? He was right in his science, but wrong because he took two variables in a multi-variable chaotic system, extrapolated them, and came to the conclusion that we would all be starving by the beginning of the 20th century. In between Malthus' forecasts and the beginning of the 20th century the cotton gin, the camera and photography, the gas oven and gas light, electricity and the light bulb, ironclad ships, the rifle, the internal combustion engine, the telegraph and the wireless telegraph, the telephone, the steam engine and the automobile and much more were invented, all beyond Malthus' understanding of the world. Dr Betts is correct in that the scientific community gave the impression that there would be continuous rising temperatures and then, embarrassingly, an 18 year pause (or "so-called hiatus in your case) in warming while CO2 in the atmosphere increased by 8-9%. But he's glossing over the real issue and that is what is the explanation for the temperatures not following the rise in CO2? No one knows, or at least if they do they're keeping it to themselves. It will take millennia for the ice sheets to melt to the point where we get a 7metre SLR, 3 thousand years according to Vickie Pope of the Met Office, but 12000+ if you use the figure of 0.55mm/annum which is, I believe, the current annual sea-level rise attributed to the melting of the Greenland ice sheet. Moreover Greenland itself is bowl shaped and all the ice-pack won't be available to add to sea level rise until the land rises, if it ever does. Meanwhile, while you. Doctor Betts and myself luxuriate in the benefits of fossil fuelled energy and 50,000 climate change enthusiasts fly from exotic location to exotic location to talk about how we can rid the world of fossil fuel energy there are people who cook over dung fires in mud huts, and pot-bellied children waiting for their next meal, as there were in the industrialised western societies before advent of fossil fuelled energy.
Bob BinghamFebruary 9, 2016 4:36 am
Climate change is altering the weather all round the world and it is causing civilian strife in many areas. The civil war in Syria was initiated by a drought that has long been forecast to happen, and it has, but with unexpected results. http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/latest-posts--news/syrian-drought
LIBBY EINEMFebruary 9, 2016 2:44 am
To avoid the most catastrophic effects of climate change we can burn only 20% or less of the worlds reserves of fossil fuels, 80% MUST stay in the ground.
MikeHFebruary 8, 2016 10:36 pm
Mate. It must be bloody scary living with all those strawmen.
Keith McNeillFebruary 8, 2016 5:05 pm
One good thing you have to say about the military is that part of their job is to see things as they are, not as some might wish they would be.
GRLCowanFebruary 8, 2016 4:30 pm
How do you explain the Canadian nuclear power industry?
Naomi Dagen BloomFebruary 8, 2016 3:53 am
Already apologizing to my grandchildren for the pollution in the air they breathe--from polluting sources long in the environment. Every day in my world there is a report of another danger to their health--often a result of careless government agencies. You have heard about Flint, Michigan and gas leak in Los Angeles? And toxic nuclear waste sites around the country like West Lake Landfill in St. Louis? Renewable energy is my choice--nothing more from nuclear.
Naomi Dagen BloomFebruary 8, 2016 3:47 am
“Don’t consider Fukushima as something that could never never happen to you. It could,” said Yoshiko Aoki, who runs a centre for evacuees 10km from the site.
harkinFebruary 7, 2016 7:47 pm
“It it [sic] doesn’t affect the long run at all… but you shouldn’t ignore the fact that this did happen. It was’t [sic]specifically predicted but it was in the range of the models in terms of variability. "In the range" means (I guess) that the temperature reality was still in the realm of the graphs but over 95% of the predictions were wildly off on the hot side. Too bad Betts can't project that alarmism like this might make the doom and gloom of a submerged London or a burning Sydney mid-century also wildly off the mark. Everybody's laughing at those who predicted no more snow or the polar ice caps disappearing by 2010, not those who said they were idiots.
AdelardFebruary 6, 2016 8:48 pm
"Untouched tropical forest" has other significant merits other than the ability to uptake CO2 and reduce the impact of AGW. The argument presented in this article seems to promote clearcutting as a valid solution - how reductionist! What about all the unique tropical species known-and-unknown lost forever due to losing even a single mature tree? We too know so little yet about how to restore a "healthy" forest. Replanted forests always lack the original structure and ecology of what was destroyed, and become nothing more than typical impoverished farmland. We need to consider that our current view of forests is completely ignorant. Read The Hidden Life of Trees by Peter Wohlleben for a start. The only real way to fight global warming is to eliminate the impact - and soon, the use - of burning fossil fuels. In doing that, we must also ferociously protect what we haven't yet destroyed.
HopsgegangenFebruary 6, 2016 1:42 pm
Good news. The GOP is the main obstacle to progress, but where corporations go, the GOP will eventually follow.
Don B.February 5, 2016 8:11 pm
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Sam GilmanFebruary 5, 2016 10:10 am
There are a couple of inaccuracies reported here on the health issues. Firstly, thyroid cancers. There is no good evidence that Fukushima has so far caused rises in thyroid cancer. There is a rise in tumours being discovered, but this appears to be entirely as a result of a screening programme where children and adolescents are scanned for thyroid tumours that may have otherwise been undetected for years. This is because the profile of victims does not match the profile of the most likely victims of radiation-induced cancer: the youngest age group and those with higher doses. Instead, there have been no cancers discovered in the very young, there is no relationship between geographical area and tumour rate. The size of tumours, gender profile and tumour analyses also reinforce this view. The researchers managing the programme keep stressing to the media that they don't believe tumours currently being discovered are connected to Fukushima. For some reason certain people don't want to hear this. Secondly, the world health organisation predicted a 4% increase in risk of cancer in females exposed as infants in the most exposed areas. If you look at the population of these most exposed areas, this means 1 or 2 extra cases of cancer at most. In addition, these estimates are explicitly based on deliberately conservative (ie high) dose estimates. No cancer is nice, but for a catastrophic disaster, it's probably a lot lower than the headline screamers want you to think. If people are going to use children's health as a public argument over our future, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that they are ethically bound to try to get things straight.
wegavehimachanceFebruary 5, 2016 7:05 am
what's wrong, afraid of legitimate discussion of science on this site?
wegavehimachanceFebruary 5, 2016 6:56 am
The politicians can figure out how to spend it??? Really! how's that working out for the planet, or maybe you're not from Earth?
ChrisFebruary 4, 2016 2:43 pm
Time for a comment that is not funded by the Nuclear Industrial Complex. First of all Nuclear Reactors were first employed to make Plutonium for Nuclear weapons. Maybe you have heard of Hanford, Washington this was the first. Then you have Savannah River Plant in South Carolina and Oak Ridge in Tennessee. These facilities have been left in a disastrous state that will cost Gods knows what to clean up and will never be safe. Then we have over a 100 reactors here in the US that will have to be decommissioned at some point. How much will that cost? Then we have the spent fuel, the Uranium Mines themselves and countless amounts of low and mid-level wastes to contend with. Just think what mankind could have accomplished with all the money lost to Nuclear Power. We will never know because this technology will continue to cost us for 100,000's to millions of years if we stop now. Those of you who promote this technology do it for money in your pocket selling out the Human Race. Remember meltdowns were impossible right? We had Three Mile Island, then Chernobyl and then Fukushima each one of these accidents was much worse that the last. So how many Meltdowns will we have every 100 years at this rate? Will the Chinese Nuclear Reactors be safe or will they be like most Chinese products that fail with certainty? Would any of you live anywhere near a Chinese Nuclear Power Plant? So it appears that Nuclear Power is a scam to produce weapons grade Plutonium all the while touting it as a clean energy source. It is a dirty technology on many levels and has a price tag that can not even be tabulated when it comes to accidents, decommissioning and even plant construction. So it is a catastrophic failure and that is a matter of fact. Any other technology with costs like Nuclear has would have never been deployed in the first place. The arms race was the only reason it was ever implemented.
Jan LundbergFebruary 4, 2016 9:59 am
It is good news that the IMO under Kitack Lim is likely to consider a greenhouse-gas emissions target for the maritime shipping sector this spring. However, the "existence of cost-effective fuel-saving technology" must include sailing ships utilizing clean, truly renewable wind power over the water. When considering that the technology advanced by the conventional shipping industry is thus far limited to a set of relatively minor efficiency measures that hardly "green" the bunker fueled cargo ships, how can there be significant steps toward climate protection to meet even a 2-degree or higher Celsius ceiling for global temperature rise? Lim identifies the biggest obstacles to cutting ship emissions as commercial and technical barriers. However, it is amply clear through existing practices that sail technology is not a commercial or technical barrier. Admittedly, today's unprecedented volume of world trade using polluting oil, whose supply is not at all secure or sustainable, cannot be met by sailing ships. But Fair Transport, the Netherlands company moving cargo on its engineless traditional sailing vessels year after year does serve a growing, thriving albeit small niche market. More such projects are coming on stream. Island and coastal nations requesting UN and EU funding for climate mitigation and adaptation are increasingly interested in sailing ships. This approach also goes a long way toward protecting their established marine sanctuary ecosystems from the ravages of oil pollution and from precarious dependence on unreliable, often expensive petroleum. The latest reports from the Paris COP21 meeting from Sail Transport Network and SAIL MED offer news and analysis relevant to sail technology's advantages. We will continue to cover the struggle to bring about meaningful oil reduction for sustainable transport, and advocate real solutions that go far beyond the minimal "greening" of shipping that in reality offers very little substantive changes for the oil-burning cargo fleet of over 90,000 vessels. Our widely circulated report "Shipping Emissions Must Be Tackled at COP21 with Advances such as Sail Power" can be seen at http://www.sailtransportnetwork.org/node/956 A feature is our alternative language for the Aviation and Shipping Emissions section of the previous draft Climate Agreement, here: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/532300e9e4b00df388fd3cf8/t/5665a7eee4b0389df68dd204/1449502702639/SAILMED_STN_LANGUAGE_SEC20_Dec5.pdf This language was widely circulated at COP21, and required the IMO as never before to finally adhere to UNFCCC measures. Our next report was "COP21 Follow-up for Sail Transport and Its Fight against Shipping Emissions and for Resilience" at http://www.sailtransportnetwork.org/node/957 The report begins, "The Paris agreement is essentially a promise to make real promises later" -- to put in realistic context the widely praised accomplishment of COP21. For details on projects involving both traditional sailing ships and the EU-funded Ecoliner design for larger volumes of cargo powered by sails and assisted by auxiliary engines, please visit www.SailMed.org and contact us. - Jan Lundberg, independent oil industry analyst, founder of Sail Transport Network and co-founder of SAIL MED
SteveBloomFebruary 4, 2016 5:52 am
It's been a while since anyone listened to Hulme, and for good reason. Climate One should feel ashamed at repeating Nature's clickbait.
Tom RadeckiFebruary 4, 2016 1:01 am
Your math is seriously miscalculated. Producing beef creates about 25 pounds of emission per pound of beef. Thus, 100g of beef would have caused 2.5kg of carbon dioxide or 1/400th of a tonne. Thus, A levy of £1.79 per 100g is the same as a levy of £719 per tonne of emissions, not £2.86. If the levy is only £2.86 per tonne and if Mike Berners-Lee in his still best book on carbon footprints "How Bad Are Bananas?" is correct in estimating that 150 tons of emission now will result in one addition human death later this century, then the tax of £2.86 per tonne is valuing human life at only £429 per person. Of course, there is a time depreciation factor and the fact that the life saved is some unknown stranger in possibly another country. This is offset by the fact that global warming will kill a lot of plant and animal life as well as the fact that the killing of humans and animals by this year's emissions will continues for a couple more centuries. Still. a tax of £1.79 on 100g of beef seems too high and a tax of £2.86 per tonne of emissions is laughably low. I agree that the Earth has far too many humans, but birth control seems more humane than murder. A levy of £100 per tonne would have a powerful impact. There's no reason to go overboard.
GRLCowanFebruary 3, 2016 11:33 pm
That is a misunderstanding. In "The Long Thaw", climatologist David Archer says something like, "A gallon of gasoline yields about 30000 kilocalories of energy. If we add up the total amount of energy trapped by CO2 from the gallon of gas over its atmospheric lifetime, we find that our gallon of gasoline ultimately traps one hundred billion (100,000,000,000) kilocalories of useless and unwanted greenhouse heat. The bad energy from burning that gallon ultimately outweighs the good energy by a factor of about 3 million." Direct heating by energy sources that do not emit carbon dioxide is not subject to this three million multiplier.
Peter SmithFebruary 3, 2016 10:42 pm
Try ingesting 10milligrames of plutonium! Try telling me how you make nuclear reactors passive. Try telling me why when the design basis safety case requires the probability of a major disaster happening of any one single reactor to be less than 1 in every 1,000,000 years & yet the current major disaster rate is between 1 in every 10 to 20 years. The dinosaur is dying whatever you believe.
Joy WilliamsFebruary 3, 2016 8:47 pm
How do I get hold of a solar panel like the lady in the photo is holding, please? I'd like to get power to my art studio at the bottom of my garden, without having to lay cables. I'd also like it to be green power.
rdzkFebruary 3, 2016 8:30 pm
The US imp-GOPtent are the only ACDDeniers left!
MrJasjr7273February 3, 2016 4:34 pm
I think I would rather see all the stock markets in the world, S&P, etc., taxed by their federal taxing authority 2% on all stock sales. You harness the world economic engines for funds to address climate and social needs based on the individual nation's ethic. Every industry contributes to the problem, stop trying to get at it sector by sector or industry by industry. Collect the tax at the brokerage level, they do that for commissions anyway, and have it deposited in whatever the central bank is. The politicians can figure out how to spend it.
wookeyFebruary 3, 2016 4:27 am
Nuclear is literally thousands of times cleaner and safer than coal. In fact the only technology that is lower-carbon is onshore wind (10 gCO2/KWh). Nuclear (14 gCO2/KWh) is much lower carbon than solar, for example (40gCO2/KWh). And coal kills tens of thousands every year largely due to particulate emissions, but also coal-mining deaths, never mind the major problems from the carbon emissions. Nuclear has essentially no emissions, just those from construction/decomissioning, and a little from mining. The idea that it's dangerous is wrong too. Per KWh it's the safest known form of generation, because 440-odd plants have generated a monstrous amount of energy whilst 3 have had high-profile accidents. Deaths per TWh: Nuclear 0.04, Wind 0.14, Gas 4, Coal 161 http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source-480254.html
JoffanFebruary 2, 2016 1:50 pm
There was a national tragedy in Japan in March 2011, but it wasn't a nuclear power plant. It was a large earthquake and a monster tsunami. It killed 18000 people and scoured communities from existence. That event also broke a number of industrial facilities. One of those was a nuclear power plant, very much exacerbated by the interference of Naoto Kan in the emergency response by delaying venting on unit 1 - a responsibility he prefers to deny, of course. Kan was the second destroyer of communities when he ordered a wide scale evacuation, imposing high costs (and real health risks) on communities in the face of tiny-to-zero radiation risks. The continued attitude of governments to focus on radiation risk to the exclusion of all else imposes high costs on nuclear power and has the potential to create another excessive-evacuation tragedy.
ArthurFebruary 1, 2016 10:15 pm
Nuclear energy boils the earth's waters faster and more effectively than any other power source. Even Musk knows this. Then there is also all that radiation that continues to leak into the Pacific, and no one knows how to stop it.
ArthurFebruary 1, 2016 10:08 pm
Nuclear fission power plants are the most powerful water heaters ever created by mankind. No other energy source heats up our rivers, lakes, seas and oceans faster....NONE.
Philip HaddadFebruary 1, 2016 9:43 pm
This sounds like a good starting point to provide electric vehicles with support stations where needed while supplying residential and industrial needs as well.
A.ZiyadFebruary 1, 2016 7:00 pm
Judging from an honest historical perspective, Maldives could never ever be accused as an “ecological villain”. It is an unfair twist of history and construed to be a travesty of justice and recognition to the efforts of its pioneer leadership, where the accuser had no clue on the subject at that time. The fragility of Maldives environment was advocated internationally by HE Maumoon Abdul Gayoom, at a time when science of climate change was at its infancy. Hosting the first Small States Conference on Sea Level Rise in Maldives in 1989 is testament to a long history of it concern on the issue. The “Male’ Declaration” emerged as a pivotal step towards forming the AOSIS in 1990. With time, this alliance emerged to advocate at the center stage for resilience to climate change. The current leadership of AOSIS alliance by Maldives is a fitting tribute to its historical efforts and recognition to what it has advocated, and for how it crafts its future policies regarding the subject. The facts cannot be brushed off by anyone who opts to hijack the agenda to catapult to international fame. Despite the numerous development challenges and struggling to become a mature democracy with its relatively young institutions, Maldives has skillfully navigated the diplomacy of “Climate Change” and carefully crafted its development compatible to what it could realistically achieve in its energy policies. In COP 15 Copenhagen climate summit, Maldives former leader President Nasheed, pledged to the world that his country would become the first carbon-neutral state. This eye catching dramatic statement was proved not to be a statement reflected adequately to the means of its disposal, but more close to media hype. Despite this, the present government never ridiculed the statement out of respect for international diplomacy, but stroked a balance between the high ambition and the tangible reality with a fact based decision. After rigorous field assessments, extensive modelling and analysis together with assistance from Danish Government and the UNEP Danish Technical University, the present leadership opted to formulate its INDC policy to the Paris Agreement, committing to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions by 10% unconditionally, and 24% with International support. Maldives government assures international community of its determination coupled with the moral leadership responsibility of AOSIS, to continue its historical legacy pioneered by its leaders back in the 1980’s. It does not project itself to be a self-professed “darling of the international media” aided by “celebrity lawyers.” It has far matured itself to be on the defensive and wanting to be recognized.
GeoffBeaconJanuary 31, 2016 5:51 pm
OK, Paris was "beyond expectations" but nowhere near good enough. We need de-growth. This doesn't seem to be on any politician's agenda. "Is Green Growth a Fantasy?" (http://ow.ly/XLlW8 ) The answer is probably "Yes".
greenthinker2012January 31, 2016 8:12 am
Is the UK vulnerable to Richter 9 earthquakes and tsunamis? I do not believe so. I don't understand so-called environmentalists who reject science and oppose the single most effective tool we have to decarbonize our energy sector and combat climate change.
Ahmed ShakerJanuary 31, 2016 3:13 am
Let's shut down this new reactor we just built, that's a great idea!
Leslie CorriceJanuary 31, 2016 1:12 am
Let us begin by saying that no member of the public in Japan is, was, or ever will be dying of cancer, or any other medical malady, as a result of the Fukushima accident. To assert the contrary is a bold-faced lie. But, proliferation of lies under the cloak of fear, uncertainty and doubt, tend to get publication and provide profit, so please...go ahead and be corrupt, so long as you make money at it. I would rather be moral and ethical... http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/ -- http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/fukushima-accident-updates.html
GRLCowanJanuary 30, 2016 3:48 pm
"And a long planning process ..." due to the technology's history of very significantly cutting emissions, and therefore government income ... "... meant they wouldn’t come online early enough to significantly cut emissions, added Dorfman ..." All we are say-ing Is GIVE GAS A CHANCE.
Billy BangleJanuary 30, 2016 9:34 am
I don't want to be apologising to my grandchildren for climate-change. And the only people that believe that renewable energy alone will work are anti-nuclear activists. I find the idea that the problem can be fixed with renewable energy alone to be fanciful.
IanJanuary 30, 2016 8:04 am
If a global climate emergency occurs, scientists are adamant that only projects which can be safely curtailed should be used if shown to be unsafe. Fertilizing standing forests and rangelands to increase plant growth for CO2 uptake, and seeding oceans with iron to grow algae can potentially lower CO2 quickly. In the latter project, iron should be used together with limestone to replace the calcium which would be removed by algae, thereby preventing increased ocean acidity. The volumes of oceans are truly immense, so depleting nitrates, phosphates, potassium and other nutrients in ocean water should not be a concern. Besides, the projects would only be temporary emergency measures, allowing renewable energies deployments to catch-up. The algae grown can be harvested for beneficial use. Quickly removing 20 ppm CO2 from the atmosphere to 380 ppm CO2 should hopefully take us back to safer conditions prevailing several years ago. The years 2013 - 2015 have been very hot globally, so if this trend continues well beyond 2016 we would need to act quickly to lower CO2 levels.
Calamity_JeanJanuary 30, 2016 5:53 am
"...solar on course to meet 20% of global energy needs by 2027."
Only 20%? I was hoping for more.
PresaPuenteJanuary 29, 2016 8:45 pm
Adapting the Mediterranean to the rising waters in the Strait of Gibraltar. https://youtu.be/9bbFyKE2DWw The problem: https://youtu.be/4vyn9njKt6w
Jeremy PoyntonJanuary 29, 2016 9:01 am
Changed it with no erratum. And then delete the comment that pointed it out. Good way to conduct a dialogue, don't you think?
Jeremy PoyntonJanuary 29, 2016 9:00 am
Good to see censorship is alive and well in climate world. Again, citations please, for 800 million dead a year. That's more than ANY figures I cam find anywhere for TOTAL deaths a year. Which suggests you are making it up. That you delete my question emphasises that. What is it about the truth that you struggle with?
Mike KellerJanuary 28, 2016 7:21 pm
There is a way to dramatically (+50%) cut CO2 emissions from coal Use nuclear power and is a US owned (patented) technology. Uses a gas turbine supplied by compressed air from a helium cooled gas reactor driven turbo-compressor that turns an air compressor. A coal gasification plant provides the fuel to drive the gas turbine (your basic Intgrated Gasification Combined Cycle plant). I know this is a bit technical, but this hybrid-nuclear plant easily solved the coal industries CO2 problems and completely avoids the sequestration can-of-worms. Suggest the coal industry take a look at this approach. Regards Hybrid Power Technologies
Andrew WarrenJanuary 28, 2016 10:19 am
An excellent analysis. Just one correction, to Rudd Claim Number Six. It wasn't just the zero carbon homes commitment that was junked. In the very small print, so was the similar commitment, after ten years of work within the construction industry, for zero carbon non-residential buildings. The former was justified by claiming the resultant lower capital (if higher running) costs would apparently help first time home buyers (really?). But who on earth was the decision on non-residential buildings meant to benefit? First time office-buyers?
DarraghJanuary 27, 2016 1:00 pm
The claimed value of the lost carbon on international carbon markets appears to be greatly overstated, both in terms of the price it assumes per tonne of CO2e and the assumed demand for carbon credits (without which there is no value).
Peter SmithJanuary 27, 2016 10:28 am
This is really good news, but are Vietnam going to stop running/building nuclear power the most dirty & dangerous of all sources of power!
Christopher PalaJanuary 26, 2016 5:57 am
You're not going to post my comments?
PresaPuenteJanuary 25, 2016 9:46 pm
Adapting the Mediterranean to the rising waters https://youtu.be/9bbFyKE2DWw The problem: https://youtu.be/4vyn9njKt6w A project for the 25 countries of the Mediterranean. Protect them from the rising waters by climate change.
Dave JamisonJanuary 25, 2016 9:38 pm
I posted a comment to this article and two others this morning and it looks like they may have been blocked by someone at your homesite. Was this because my comments may be somewhat skeptical of the green energy movement? Am I maybe a little critical of solar power movement since the state of Nevada has terminated everones net metering contract making the solar panels on my home's rooftop worthless? Or is be cause I believe using the Catholic church to advance a global political adgenda is corrupt. Whatever the case may be, your newsite obviously does not abide by the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution....freedom of speech.
Christopher PalaJanuary 25, 2016 5:29 pm
As reported in the National Geographic, http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/02/150213-tuvalu-sopoaga-kench-kiribati-maldives-cyclone-marshall-islands/ Science magazine https://www.sciencemag.org/content/345/6196/496.summary?related-urls=yes&legid=sci;345/6196/496 and The Atlantic magazine, Anote Tong is a fraud and his victims are the I-Kiribati people. The coastal erosion Matthieu Rytz dishonestly seeks to present as caused by climate change is purely the predictable result of unwise coastal modifications, as scientist Simon Donner explains here. http://sites.agu.org/sharingscience/files/2012/10/2012EO170001_rga.pdf The work of Paul Kench and may others shows conclusively that the sand islands perched on atoll structures are dynamic, not static: they move around and rise with with sea level, as they have in the past and they will in the future. They do not face any existential threat, a fact that's excruciatingly obvious when you travel to Kiribati's biggest atoll (and the biggest in the world), Kiritimati, which Mr. Rytz conveniently ignores. Kiribati's problem is that its population is unevenly distributed -- to many in South Tarawa, too few in the other islands. In pursuit of fame and a top job in climate change, Mr. Tong has traumatized many I-Kiribati with talk of annihilation and forced migration. His purchase of land in Fiji, as I describe here, http://www.ipsnews.net/2014/06/kiribati-president-purchases-worthless-resettlement-land-as-precaution-against-rising-sea/ is nothing but a waste of his country's meager resources spent on a pure publicity stunt. Kiribati needs help to relocate its people to its islands that will adapt best to rising sea levels, like Kiritimati, not for a migration they have no need or desire for. Christopher Pala, Washington DC
Dave JamisonJanuary 25, 2016 3:28 pm
Here is reality straight from Nevada.... recently the Public Utilities Commission has voided all previous net metering contracts for home and commercial rooftop solar customers with Nevada Energy. This move effectively kills the rooftop solar industry in Nevada as three majors companies have pulled operations including Solar City. Appeals are pending as Governor Sandolval says he standing with the decision of the Commission. Meanwhile, it appears that all new installations that were not finished nor hooked into the grid by the end of 2015, are now in limbo. Millions of dollars are tied into loans that may default if net metering is not reinstated.
Dave JamisonJanuary 25, 2016 3:01 pm
My wife, a Catholic, wants me to convet to Catholicis m, but with the Church taking this issue on...I will not become Catholic.
Dave JamisonJanuary 25, 2016 2:52 pm
Wrong....the biggest loosers will be the citizens of the United States....as this will cost billons in taxpayer dollars.
PatJanuary 25, 2016 1:17 am
Well Leo, did you go there in your private jet?
mikeJanuary 25, 2016 1:06 am
As usual the good guys take a backward approach to dealing with banishing coal as they do with every other environmental battle. Buying up mines just creates new opportunities for new operations to set up as stated in the article. They wont be able to buy every single one: short term this plan does nothing and long term will cause the coal prices to rise. Also buying an asset that doesn't make any money is counter productive not sure what they intend to do with the land? Vehicle fames and bodies will be made from aluminum very soon so the demand for coal will go up as it takes more energy = more pollution and higher profits for the big boys. (in north America) And the Co2 created vs steel is doubled with recyclable aluminumsteel and 4.37 times more with virgin materials. So lets make cars lighter so the use less fuel....its better for the environment...lol. Because cars will be built to last right? and gas prices will go down because we use less? My point is that every time the environment is used as an excuse to change something it only creates more pollution and cost for the consumers....every single time. I wish the "good people" were allot smarter and be able to see into the future instead of having a small mind only thinking action = reaction as there are many reactions following the first 4 others to be exact until it reaches the original action its self. And there are 5 circles of 5 reactions attached to the original action and reactions its self and so forth. But don't hurt your self trying to figure it out if you don't understand what your first action did in its entirety, effectively your just wasting time and money that could be used in a productive way. This statement is directed towards your business and not scientifically as im sure your smart science nerds completely understand but sadly can not apply this to business. If your goal was to throw money around as if to say "here I am" then you succeeded. Other wise this is the equivalent to a rich man buying a business just to fire an employee. This is me throwing you a cookie Your welcome
LomitoJanuary 23, 2016 8:49 pm
I'm very cheerfull with the 65-70% reduction in energy consumption for heating, not because of the lower energy bill or the enhanced indoor climate, but mostly because of the ability to avoid CO2-tax and therewith involuntary donations to the eco-industrial complex.
M.Shahadat HossainJanuary 23, 2016 7:07 am
Use solar power every where for sustainable power growth in Bangladesh.
johnhoagJanuary 23, 2016 3:58 am
Something like this step and assessment is essential, just like the emergence of ecosystems services... Business Adulthood!
Sam MauleJanuary 22, 2016 10:17 am
Most oil is loss-making at $30!
stephan011January 21, 2016 10:35 pm
Is there an intelligent argument that low oil prices negatively impact solar (other than stock market gyrations)? I just don't understand how anyone in possession of the facts could make this claim, am I missing something?
Ira Tateu ☻♥☺January 21, 2016 10:29 pm
The fact is the costs have not decreased and market forces slowing inflation are not attributable to Obama. You do not understand the index. You are also using the base cost and ignoring the true cost when using co-pays and deductibles. The only people who have had a decrease are those subsidized at the expense of mostly middle class customers. I'm an expert on the subject and you are a guy ranting on the internet who cannot articulate a point beyond a partisan reaction.
dgJanuary 21, 2016 9:31 pm
"Catholics" is a word that implies universality. It should not be applied to a subgroup in the way the headline does. Words have a meaning, don't be so sloppy.
Left = Mentally ChallengedJanuary 21, 2016 3:09 pm
Liberals climate hypocrisy: They want to feed all 7 billion people on our overpopulated earth, take 10 airline flight vacations a year, then they blame everyone but themselves for global warming. Bunch of hooey if you ask me.!
ToniJanuary 20, 2016 10:57 pm
Thank You for this transcript
floridanativeeJanuary 20, 2016 9:54 pm
One of Sam Walton's daughters is a major stakeholder in First Solar.
BardJanuary 20, 2016 3:14 pm
"The US National Earthquake Information Center (NEIC) recorded 1,427 quakes between 2014 and 2015 in Oklahoma, a major oil and gas producing state, leaving seismologists “concerned” about the potential impacts of fracking." Is this true? Not according to the US Geological Society (USGS). Earthquakes are mostly associated with deep well waste injection sites. Fracking is associated with tremors, most too small to be felt at the surface. http://www.usgs.gov/faq/categories/9833/3428
Nikola TasevJanuary 20, 2016 10:34 am
Pakistan has very low electricity generation and use per person. Adding a few coal power plants will not ruin the world. China and the US, the biggest CO2 emitters, are reducing their coal use and switching to non-fossil fuels. Pakistan is too poor to do that yet. After their economy is lifted up they can start investing in cleaner energy more seriously.
Andrew WarrenJanuary 20, 2016 9:38 am
Just remember that, during drilling, some 2.2% of the natural gas leaks out, (source I C F International), and that methane is a very potent GHG
Daydreamer1January 20, 2016 3:51 am
Actually importing fuel is the UK's main energy plan in the future, but some home grown gas will hopefully help reduce imports and provide taxes to help fund some more doctors and teachers etc.
David AcupJanuary 19, 2016 3:07 pm
Unfortunately, this research doesn't jibe with what we know definitively works to engage people. Environmental Defense Fund has implemented dozens upon dozens of image tests, looking at not only up-front response and engagement rates, but back-end long-term-value metrics (both financial and activism-based). I would encourage all climate communicators to use this research as a source for test hypotheses and make sure that you learn what works for your specific audiences. Good luck and keep up the good work!
IanJanuary 19, 2016 2:20 pm
US Vice-President Joe Biden leading cancer research (Cancer Moonshot: A Call to Action) is excellent news for the world. As good nutrition is linked to good health, research scientists working on this massive project should give study of nutrition (nutrients) and linked microbes (probiotics) very close attention and priority.
André BalsaJanuary 19, 2016 10:24 am
Hi there Mambarino! Yeah, me too, I gave up on posting any comments on resilience.org, their "moderator" is quite obviously a Greer "follower" and I can't stand their backwards, phony mentality. Obviously I agree with your comments on resilience.org and I am not surprised that their "moderator" decided to censor them. Until resilience.org decides to change their moderator and modify their editorial priorities, I don't think resilience.org is worth following or joining in any discussions there.
DarraghJanuary 18, 2016 3:34 pm
Interesting. Bogota, Colombia introduced a very similar rule some years ago which still applies. The problem is, many people ended up trading in their more expensive cars to buy two cheaper cars and thus be able to drive every day. So the number of cars in circulation increased massively, and the traffic levels have not changed much.
crygdyllynJanuary 18, 2016 3:29 pm
The climate change deniers will deny this data, too. The deniers will claim this writer and the scientists are part of some grand conspiracy to fool the world, and to advance an evil scheme to stop us from using oil, coal, and gas. It would be funny, if it was not so serious.
Donald CampbellJanuary 16, 2016 4:55 pm
Of course, the major carbon-based fuel industries will be contesting allegations put forth by Our Children’s Trust because the lawsuit has the potential to lead, eventually, to legislation placing a substantial monetary burden on these industries in the form of a carbon tax or a carbon-fee-and-dividend (the latter proposed by the Citizens’ Climate Lobby, and others). Share holders are beginning to demand a responsible response from industry, including virtually all the “extractive” companies that egregiously damage and pollute the Earth. The litigation is not unlike that brought against the tobacco marketers decades ago. It is a matter of the health of humanity. Our Children’s Trust is laying part of the foundation for a long-projected battle against a Business-As-Usual approach to economics, the basis for our modern civilization. What we really need is a civilization based on a pervasively enforced Ecological Economics. If our waters are protected by the “Public Trust Doctrine,” a powerful but unappreciated common law premise, then so should be the atmosphere.
IanJanuary 15, 2016 5:31 pm
How much will it cost governments to pool together their resources to end deforestation? Deforestation not only removes trees which remove CO2 emissions, but burning them adds to CO2 emissions - an immediate double hit to climates. What is so hard about planting trees in vacant and idle spaces globally? Global Action to plant trees is needed quickly, to stop the El Nino monster from growing even stronger. Ending deforestation, planting trees and renewable energies should be global priorities, as well as a tax on CO2. CO2 now is too high - it must be lowered before anything else.
paasingbyJanuary 15, 2016 3:39 pm
let's take away from them all the products that rely on the oil industry. Tends to put the mind straight.
A_SiegelJanuary 14, 2016 5:43 pm
Yet, with the importance of moving beyond polar bear images, the lead (banner) image for the story is just that ...???
Paul Paz y MiñoJanuary 14, 2016 5:24 pm
Protest works. This is absurd. People should know the truth and know that they have a VOICE!
LomitoJanuary 14, 2016 4:00 pm
Extremely likely to occur this year is a steap tax increase to cover mitigation costs...
pmagnJanuary 13, 2016 10:33 pm
No not 4% more like 7%-8%
rkiefJanuary 13, 2016 8:58 pm
Don't imagine either, that they would object to paying realistic carbon taxes on their travels. If they did, you'd be justified in blaming them.
Adam GallonJanuary 13, 2016 3:27 pm
https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media/559ad883e5274a155c00001b/EMI_PFs_Summary.pdf "...for electricity, the main drivers of 7 domestic price increases from 2009 to 2013 were the costs of social and environmental obligations and network costs...For gas, there has been a broadly even percentage increase in wholesale costs, network costs, obligation costs and indirect costs..." So in other words, our electricity bills are rising due to "Green" taxes & costs associated with connecting windmills to the net work and a good chunk of rising gas bills are due to the same "Green" taxes Our elderly are faced with the decision whether to spend their limited money on heating their houses or buying food. We've finally got some fairly cold weather in the UK, after the loop in the Jetstream that caused winds to come from a southerly direction has moved. So, let's see how much power at 3.20pm is being used and generated. http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ Total demand around 45GW Wind 1.42GW (Installed capacity around 13GW) Pathetic eh? Biomass 2GW. This, of course means that somewhere forests are being clearcut, chipped, dried & shipped to the UK, then burnt. Very cost effective & "Carbon neutral" Thankfully we've gas, coal & nuclear to provide reliable electricity, as renewables are providing a meagre 10% of demand, doubtless raking in the subsidy payments, which is the only reason they exist.
Adam GallonJanuary 13, 2016 3:15 pm
Just shows what a non-starter CCS is. "Kyrgyzstan has such low carbon emissions that it barely registers" Perhaps because it has under 6 million inhabitants. Nice to see you're using a country with an abysmal human rights record as a paragon of virtue.
elliebanJanuary 13, 2016 9:43 am
Absolutely classic Cameron. It's remarkable how effective saying he believes one thing and then doing another has been for him. It's probably the single strongest part of Teflon Dave's armour. I'd almost consider copying his strategy as it's obviously so successful, except I have a shred of decency and I can't bring myself to do it.
veggiegrrrlJanuary 13, 2016 7:59 am
the only sustainable and compassionate diet is vegan. #cowspiracy
GerardJanuary 12, 2016 10:34 pm
And who will pay for all this in the end.....the consumer!!
shindigJanuary 12, 2016 9:10 pm
Peabody stock's down to $4 and Arch coal filed for bankruptcy this week.
Biologyteacher100January 8, 2016 12:36 am
The deniers get more and more desperate. Unfortunately the gop presidential contenders either believe the denier bs or cynically support what they know is false for financial and political reasons.
Victor VenemaJanuary 7, 2016 2:23 pm
Does this study have the same problem as the Watts et al. (2015) study? Watts et al. only had data on station siting at the end, while this study selects the think tanks that are currently most salient by being the most fundamentalist. If the fraction of science vs policy changes over time and you select those that are most unreasonable now and focus most on science now, you will find a spurious trend. The selection is thus very important, but not described in much detail in the paper, other than that it is similar to two other lists. One of this lists is from 2000, which is good. I would love to see results limited to the list from 2000.
Ivan BoatwrightJanuary 7, 2016 2:12 pm
If Putin says it do not believe it. Greed is ruling the earth and money is more important to these men than earth's future.
dabegaJanuary 7, 2016 9:21 am
There is political, economical, environmental and humanitarian crisis in Ethiopia due to the TPLF regime. Stop blaming the crisis to El Nino.
Abel AdamskiJanuary 7, 2016 8:13 am
There are plenty. For example http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150225132103.htm First direct observation of carbon dioxide's increasing greenhouse effect at Earth's surface Date:February 25, 2015Source:Lawrence Berkeley National LaboratorySummary:Scientists have observed an increase in carbon dioxide's greenhouse effect at Earth's surface for the first time. They measured atmospheric carbon dioxide's increasing capacity to absorb thermal radiation emitted from Earth's surface over an 11-year period at two locations in North America. They attributed this upward trend to rising carbon dioxide levels from fossil fuel emissions. Over 11 years the atmospheric CO2 rose by 22ppm and the increase in back radiation which was in the CO2 band increased by 0.2 Watts/Meter Sq.. We have increased CO2 by 120ppm, so >1 Watt/Sq Meter. This raises atmospheric H2O further increasing feedback, plus ice melt and permafrost and clathrate melt which is being measured. Perspective a Grand Solar Minimum reduces incident solar energy at the earth's surface by approx 0.5 Watts/Sq Meter
Abel AdamskiJanuary 7, 2016 8:03 am
You may wish to find out more about Greenland history and Erik the Red, In fact Greenland depended on food imported from Iceland, they may have grown grapes in the same manner grapes are currently being grown in Swizerland and the UK and Scotland
WheezwizJanuary 6, 2016 6:08 pm
Point 1) Temps will continue to inch higher" ? Temps are not inching higher: they are flat, at best. May be 2016 will be warmer than 2014/5 with El Nino. In the satellite era, 1998 was hottest, by far. In the longer term 1936 and 1954 were much hotter than 1998. 1936 was dustbowl hot. Point 4) Lawyers boom time ?. Not so, since carbon is not a pollutant and there is no AGW. Carbon dioxide is essential for all crops, trees and other plant life: all made mainly of carbon. Where do the lawyers think the carbon in trees comes from. It is not from a big hole in the ground. Point 5) The number of "green" investors will rise sharply ? Unlikely, as oil is much, much cheaper than intermittent power. Solar and wind investments will likely decline as subsidies are reduced. Without huge subsidies they cannot exist. Taxpayers have to pay somehow. Point 6) Carbon divestments to continue ? Unlikely as China plans well over 1000 new coal plants, all pumping lots of greening CO2. Point 8) Rudd as green champion ? Unlikely since we cannot afford the extra cost of so-called "clean" (unreliable, intermittent) power, and she messed up nuclear. More green & clean power is a vote loser as power bills surge and brown-outs are more common. Good luck with Arsenal !
tadchemJanuary 6, 2016 4:38 pm
The scope of the problem is such that any affordable mitigation efforts would be hopelessly inadequate, and any effective mitigation efforts would be impossibly expensive.
LokeshJanuary 6, 2016 4:01 pm
"India is the world’s fifth largest economy" What is the author talking about? None of these two suggest that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) Article should have included comparative Percapita CO2 emissions, Especially if it wants to question the validity of Indian argument. Rich countries, have no Moral High ground to question developing countries if they despite being rich and able to afford Pollution free ways are not willing to change. PerCapita emission cap should be, if anything, lenient towards Developing countries. India has not even reached 10% of Percapita Emission of Rich countries.
climatehawk1January 5, 2016 2:39 pm
Matt Ridley's conscience is just a hoax. There's been no actual evidence of it for years.
IanJanuary 4, 2016 7:47 pm
I don't think India is going to counter-balance China in coal consumption. The latest news out of India is that its push to coal is floundering, while its push to solar and wind is gain traction. Also, the Indian coal market is a tiny fraction of the Chinese market.
IanJanuary 4, 2016 7:39 pm
There is no 'carbon-neutral' way to burn coal. Trying to burn it even a little more cleanly is prohibitively expensive. Bangladesh will go all-renewable for its new generation capacity as these coal projects face increasing opposition on the ground and increasing scepticism from the financial markets. If you want to bring electricity to a poor population that lacks a functional grid, distributed solar is going to be the way to go.
IanJanuary 3, 2016 3:36 am
Beware initiation of Gibbs Free Energy - thermodynamic flow of heat energy from a higher to a lower level. This sudden, incredible spike in warming of the North Pole (from - 30 degrees F to + 20 degrees F) is a very serious warning. Global CO2 levels, now at 481 ppm CO2-eq is much too high, forcing accumulation of immense heat in the tropical oceans; currently released as heat and storms from El Nino in the Pacific. The US, China, EU, Russia, India, Japan, Australia should call a meeting to discuss emergency lowering of global CO2 levels.
Mr HerbertDecember 30, 2015 7:10 pm
More often than not the more impossible solutions endup to be the right solutions
Biologyteacher100December 30, 2015 12:56 pm
These comments miss the real extreme weather. Right now, the North Pole is seeing it's first mid-winter rain storm. Unprecedented in the complete dark of the arctic "winter."
ashDecember 30, 2015 9:06 am
Thanks for the report, but why not have the courage to call "food shortages" starvation, and tell us about farmers being forced off their land in favour of big agro who export crops, fuelling Ethiopia's double-digit economic "boom"? Would is be fear of Ethiopia's genocidal government?
Art EasianDecember 28, 2015 6:44 am
Coral islands do not flood when sea level rises. The tiny coral animal has a symbiotic relationship[ with algae that keep the coral growing as an island sinks. This is the origin of the coral atoll. This has been known since the time of Charles Darwin. Coral can, however, be killed by clay particles which clog the feeding mechanisms, so coral are susceptible to construction on the islands by man.
Richard RamboneDecember 27, 2015 12:40 am
Hey Andre, Mambarino here. I've given up commenting on Resilience. The moderation there is unbelievable. I decided to pull the plug after this comment was deleted (4 times!):
To me, it was entirely predictable that Greer would see COP21 as "too little, too late", because his entire world view and oeuvre is predicated on humanity sliding into a slow collapse or descent (hence the title of one of his books), either through peak oil (which has been his theme up until now), or through climate disaster (his new theme). Unfortunately for Greer, things are moving in a way that will make his future scenarios highly unlikely. Just today I saw an article about a new solar thermal plant in Australia that gives the lie to collapsenik doomerism. The article describes a solar thermal plant that can provide 24 hour power at a price competitive with coal. I quote: "commercial solar thermal plants could be producing power at seven cents per kilowatt hour, which was cheaper than the most up-to-date coal-fired plants". Of course collapseniks and their acolytes will protest that such solar plants cannot be built without fossil fuels, but the truth is that we have enough fuels and time to build a huge number of these plants, and at some point the power from such plants will supplant fossil fuels and we won't need them any longer. That's not only my view but also the view of Prof Mark Jacobson of Stanford, an expert in energy. You can hear him debunk collapseniks here: http://www.ecoshock.net/downloads/ES_Jacobson_LoFi.mp3
WarrenDecember 25, 2015 3:29 pm
$500 million is less than almost any other line item in the Federal Budget It's the symbolism that matters to the 3rd world, and to those countries on the fence about taking action on Climate Change. As much as I disagree with Obama on most everything else, his push to see an international emissions agreement will be viewed as an essential step in a long journey to contain the greatest threat to our grandkids future, and that of their grandkids. Thank you President Obama.
EricDecember 24, 2015 5:02 pm
No mention of Bernie Sanders?
FugstarDecember 23, 2015 2:54 pm
I hear you, but maybe its as a lesser of two horrible numbers. I think that decolonising people would prefer deep decolonisation of resources, industry , knowledge and governance, and a replacement of white supremacy with justice, to the figure waving we are forced into. Look forward to coverage that reaches these important areas.
Joni YlivainioDecember 23, 2015 7:35 am
Oh, what are you doing? This kind of idiocy must be stopped!
witsendnjDecember 22, 2015 3:08 pm
It's turning brown because the background level of ozone pollution, globally, has become intolerable to plants. Vegetation is highly sensitive to ozone, which it absorbs as it photosynthesizes. Damage is cumulative and so longer-lived species like trees become more susceptible to attacks from insects, disease and fungus, now epidemics. Forests are in steep decline all over the world. No surprise that the tundra is browning. The surprise is that the scientists can't or won't figure this out. Wake up, scientists!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn1Xy_j48k0
jimDecember 19, 2015 2:47 pm
if I understand sea ice correctly it forms from yearly winter weather and the sea ice can be increased by fresh water reducing seawater salinity and causing more sea ice as a result of on land glacier ice melting. Without more information it is difficult to ascribe the amount of sea ice to any one condition. Best Regards Jim
tomlaredoDecember 19, 2015 12:05 am
You, as the leader of a third world country take the money, build twenty solar panels near a village of natives who have never seen a mirror. Surround the solar panels with mirrors. Looks like thousands of panels. Keep the extra millions given to your third world country and build a 100,000 sq.ft. palace with it's own coal fired power plant. Add 25 Mercedes and 100 60" televsions. That's how you spend climate fund money.
Aristoteles O.December 18, 2015 11:06 am
it's absolutely clear shipping and aviation are fully included in the Paris agreement, because they contribute to greenhouse gas emissions as per its Article 4.1. This agreement is not limited, as opposed to the Kyoto Protocol, to "parties" greenhouse gas emissions. In the past, the accounting loopholes for ICAO and IMO (not included in any nation's emission budgets) led to the hardly noticeable and continuously and deliberately undermined action we saw until today. But shipping and aviation growth alone could make the 2° target, let alone the 1.5 degree target, impossible to reach, if left to ICAOs and IMOs current own devices and plans. Therefore, expect significant progress in those sectors in the near future - once developing countries, including small-island states, recognize that strictly limiting these emissions lies in their own and very vital self-interest...
waltinseattleDecember 18, 2015 2:24 am
COORDINATE CENTRALY, EXECUTE LOCALLY....NICE.
IanDecember 18, 2015 2:00 am
Waiting 5 years for outmoded agreements to expire are protocols we can no longer afford to observe. Urgent, ambitious global climate action is needed now. James Hansen's "game over !" scenario is made up of two parts. The first one is when we lose the opportunity to remove CO2 from the atmosphere due to excessive levels, and the second one, later, when excessive CO2 emissions and build-up of GH gases cause an irreversible tilt in the warming equilibrium (physics and chemistry). Without immediate global climate action, in 5 years an additional 173 billion tons of CO2 will accumulate in the atmosphere (equivalent to 47 billion tons of carbon), making it much more difficult for forestry and agriculture to cope with removal. If we carefully examine seasonal changes of CO2 in NOAA's ESRL data, we can see the large impact of forestry and agriculture on monthly CO2 levels. By increasing forestry and agricultural removal of 2 ppm CO2 each year, easily achievable, we can keep CO2 levels flat at around 400 ppm until there is mass roll-out of solar and wind power. A global carbon tax and strong financial incentives to end deforestation are also needed.
Ruby55December 17, 2015 10:00 pm
It's a good thing he didn't sign it and thereby give away some of Vanuatu's sovereignty.
IanDecember 16, 2015 4:12 pm
Because of the urgency for action on climate change, spelt out clearly in the Paris agreement, the agreement should come into force 30 days after 55 Parties representing 55% of emissions sign on, and not in 2020. Multiply 5 x 365 days x 95 million tons/day of CO2 emissions - a lot of CO2! The Summit at Paris was like a "best of three" game of chess between humanity and deadly, catastrophic climate change. Humanity could have won the first game with an early "come into force" agreement as you say, a straight 1.5 degrees C warming limit, and a global carbon tax called for by global leaders and leading economists.
Alex PashleyDecember 16, 2015 1:48 pm
It governs reductions in carbon emissions from 1st January 2020. Kyoto's second commitment period oversees commitments from today until then. Once ratified by 55 countries or 55% of emissions (there's no guarantee that will be before 2020), it will become active 30 days later as the agreement states, but it won't take legal effect until 2020.
kpolssonDecember 15, 2015 7:29 pm
Why does the agreement come into force in 2020? Article 21 says it comes into force 30 days after 55 Parties representing 55% of emissions have signed on.
WindyDecember 15, 2015 12:11 pm
If it's not legally binding and there's a one year opt out clause, it's all show, no go-thank goodness.
NigelReading|ASYNSISDecember 15, 2015 5:10 am
"The Paris Agreement is a historic turning point for investors. If adopted, 195 countries will together opt to signal their intention to decouple their prosperity and development from fossil fuel use – sending a very strong signal to business and investors that there is only one future direction of travel to reduce emissions in line with a 1.5 degree pathway." Business gets it, so even in Hong Kong - it's a whole new paradigm. But which stakeholders are going to move first and so reap the reputational and commercial advantage? https://www.facebook.com/HKEcoLivable/
Kvasa RakyatDecember 15, 2015 2:32 am
Tony Juniper (and possibly Glenn Hurowitz), green extremists who never own tropical forest but said forests must not be sacrificed for economic growth -- need to be careful not to campaign against economic and food security of developing countries, that could kill even the slightest GDP growth --- else the fate of Greenpeace India awaits.
Scottish ScientistDecember 14, 2015 7:30 pm
Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by Climate Home.
Scottish ScientistDecember 14, 2015 7:30 pm
Meet climate change targets agreed in Paris effortlessly with my superior plan. Hydro-electric / Geothermal / tidal where appropriate Land-based wind turbines Offshore wind turbines Solar power for local supply, recommended where there’s winter sun Solar power for long-distance transmission supply (for example, Namib Desert -> Europe, Atacama Desert -> North America, Nepal / Tibet & Australia -> Asia) Pumped-storage hydro for energy storage with on-land generation Undersea hydrogen storage for energy storage with offshore generation – wind / tidal Carbon-neutral bio-fuels for transport such as dimethyl-ether (DME) from steam-reformed biomass Convert old vehicles, for transport by land, sea & air to run on bio-fuels New vehicles powered by hydrogen / electrical batteries / bio-fuels Nuclear-powered mega-ships – container & bulk transport, cruise liners etc Nuclear-powered tugs for high-power pulling of ships long distance (rather than low-power navigation) Forget carbon-capture and storage from fossil-fuel burning power stations ___________ Pay for this by governments directing their central banks to create new money for such infrastructure investments - there's no need to burden tax-payers or electricity bill-payers. When the world is fossil-fuel free but Europe & Africa still need much more power then make a mega tidal race by damming the Gibraltar Strait, put in water turbines and sea locks for shipping.
Ira Tateu ☻♥☺December 14, 2015 6:01 pm
Your comment ignores math. Basic math at that. Insurance is simple in that you input funds to cover a group with needing coverage more than others but still inputting funds. The ACA requires more funding to cover the previously uncoverable yet allows the young and well to avoid paying into it. That cannot work and prices are climbing due to it. Then look at other scenarios. Let's say the government took it over and it was free since that is what the people supporting it expected. Can you name a single successful government run insurance program? Flood insurance is so upside down it is painful to read. Social security has been robbed. We know as a fact that the bulk of the same people who supported the ACA have not signed up for it. Why? Because it is not free. If the government pays for all of it the funding will be in the form of higher taxes. All the while the actual doctors, hospitals, and equipment manufacturers are all raising their prices. Dr.s increase their base rates to counter percentage payments and attempts to lower their payment from government entities. For me to pay cash for a visit is impossible with most doctors because it is unaffordable because of the law. The ACA also taxes medical equipment driving the cost up even more. I do not care at all about Obama but to say this isn't his baby is a lie. I mean...who makes a program and removes the educated professionals from it and then pays unqualified people more to sell it? It was written poorly.
BillDecember 13, 2015 9:33 pm
The carbon war is over. They declared victory and went home. It's inevitable the troops will be demobilised and have to get a job back in Civvy Street.
huntersonDecember 8, 2015 9:43 pm
Except most Polynesian islands are growing. Follow the money hunt.
IanDecember 8, 2015 4:23 pm
A global carbon tax is obviously needed to fight the problem of global warming. All solutions cannot be anticipated at the start of a conference, so of course the global carbon tax could not be on the agenda. As it is now seen as the important solution to solve the problem, why not adopt it now? Those nations unable to agree to it now can reserve their judgement and join in at a later date when/if it suits them.
IanDecember 8, 2015 3:21 pm
On November 29th, 32 eminent individuals and leading economists sent a letter to UN Climate Summit negotiators in Paris; the letter contained 4 principles for taxing carbon to fight climate change without undermining economic prosperity. We must follow their advice. Economics is critical to solve the warming problem. The world is getting warmer each day as 95 million tons of extra CO2 is added every day to accumulated CO2. Delaying a global carbon tax any longer would mean "game over!" day is getting closer for all of us, and could arrive much sooner than anticipated. The problem is simple - CO2 has to be lowered biologically from 481 ppm-eq now to 350 ppm to reverse the warming equilibrium. We can do it with a global carbon tax which would also finance adaptation in vulnerable countries.
Zander77December 8, 2015 11:04 am
So sad to see the comments on this article lead off with yet more climate denial. It never stops. The only people in the room at the Heartland conference room were the reporters and the protesters. Heartland and its ilk are not skeptics, they are deniers of and enemies to science. And enemies of real scientists the world over, who labor to bring us truth and light. Liars, confusionists, and deniers like Mike, here, are helping to cause a fatal delay to the response to the climate crisis, which is unfolding more rapidly and disastrously than the IPCC has predicted. Everything Mike wrote is a lie or a distortion.
Thom BohlenDecember 8, 2015 9:14 am
It is extremely short sighted for many countries to object to reducing reliance on fossil fuels. It is like " throwing the baby out with the bathwater". The impact of climate change is already occurring across the Globe and causing great stress on the social, economical, and environmental well being where these atypical climatic events are occurring. With the 2 Deg C target, these climatic events will only escalate, and people and economies will suffer. The technology exists today to eliminate a great amount of the fossil fuel use. Countries like the U.A.E. are forging ahead to develop renewable energy through very aggressive targets. The knowledge base for the movement to renewable technology can be shared among the nations of the earth to make this monumental task work in a very short amount of time. Current oil and coal companies need to convert their massive infrastructures to renewables, and make the transition to "energy companies". It is time to come together in Paris as human beings first, to commit to this great transition. There is no way to Sustainability... Sustainability is the Way.
Brian GreenDecember 8, 2015 4:11 am
It's all bullshit anyway.
FugstarDecember 7, 2015 11:39 pm
why have you used a person of colour to hang the hand signals off?
Stephan HochDecember 7, 2015 10:32 pm
It is worth pointing out that only individual CDM projects have led to these - truly unfortunate - HR violations. The CDM has led to more than 10,000 projects, some of them in countries with weak governance structures. These cases need to be taken very seriously and the issues need to be addressed, but one should not create the impression that CDM projects are often leading to HR violoations. In fact, many projects are really empowering communities. In the case of Wangari Maathai's Greenbelt Movement, which also participates in the CDM, the activities supported by the CDM have actually received the Nobel Peace Price.
mikehaselerDecember 7, 2015 3:57 pm
Nice report and thanks for tweeting from the event (you were mentioned in WUWT). However, it's a bit disingenuous referring to actual scientists who have the integrity to stand up for real science as "so called scientists". The arbiter of real science is not some consensus - but instead whether the theory fits the facts. And as we sceptics have pointed out time and time again, when it comes to global warming, the facts do not fit the theory. There has been no recent warming as the satellites show, this is corroborated by growing Antarctic ice, by the normal level of global sea ice and even Greenland surface ice is growing. And far from severe weather increasing, we have actually seen a reduction in hurricanes. Global warming - whilst we do expect a small additional amount of warming on top of natural variation - even that modest amount of warming has failed to materialise and certainly not the doomsday non-science that was wrongly predicted. So, the evidence and so the science supports us sceptics.
RBeamanDecember 7, 2015 3:00 pm
Hinkley Point C doubles the price for UK consumers, so WTF is Rudd talking about! On the other end of cyber attacks where vested interests are in conflict, which they currently are on issues frankly outside of our control, we are also extremely vulnerable.
Robin_GuenierDecember 7, 2015 12:11 pm
And it seems, Ian, that James Hansen agrees with you: http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2015/20151127_Isolation.pdf. But such a tax is not even on the agenda at Paris - and that's not going to change now. Yet, according to Miguel Cañete (the EU commissioner for climate action), there is “no plan B – nothing to follow. This is not just ongoing UN discussions. Paris is final.” (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/06/no-plan-b-if-paris-climate-summit-ends-in-failure-says-eu-climate-chief). So, if Hansen is right, “our children and future generations are screwed”. Do you agree?
IanDecember 7, 2015 2:18 am
By agreeing to a global carbon tax, initially set at a low level, four excellent outcomes for saving humanity from catastrophic global warming and for achieving 1.5 degrees C warming limit are: 1. Finance for mass tree plantings. 2, Finance for low GDP nations needing finance for climate adaptation. 3. Finance for stopping deforestation. 4. Finance for technologies transfer from advanced to less advanced nations. Agreement on a global carbon tax is therefore a make-or-break issue, as advised recently to the Paris Climate Summit by leading economists.
WarrenDecember 6, 2015 11:19 pm
McKibben has extreme viewpoints on casting blame, but his take on the Science is 100% in agreement with the Scientfic consensus...that mans burning of fossil fuels is warming the planet, dangerously so.
Debra SmithDecember 6, 2015 10:58 pm
Tough to have an economy when there is no planet to live upon but maybe that is why they need so many weapons- they just plan to take someone else's country? Maybe they think there is still time for them- they will watch others sink under the waves and flooding (even in their own countries) and build a nice YACHT?
The Debunker No 2 BSDecember 6, 2015 10:16 am
Result lost came through on Dec 3rd and 5th http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/291177/marshalls-move-into-final-stages-of-national-election-tabulation http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/291372/big-upset-in-marshall-islands-election Issues described as changed wanted : economy, jobs, hospital " candidates now have two weeks to file complaints or ask for a recount before the final results are published." "the UN person is quoted on another page "SARAH MORRIS: Our UN partners in the region tell us that climate change is the number one biggest issue facing children and their families in the Pacific region. So where globally people think about the effect that climate change is going to have on children in the future. " The voter said No, it seems
Eric HolohanDecember 6, 2015 3:12 am
From wind assist to hull design the entire shipping industry can reduce its CO2 output by upto 90%. It is sheer arrogance and laziness that produced the IMO's, inertia to change anything. Being Awarded the FOSSIL of the day award at COP 21 is a fitting accolade It is essential that tough restrictions are imposed on the industry as a whole in order to prevent it's outsized growth and massive percentage if the global CO2 in 2050. The often raised questions ( raised by the IMO that is) are what method of paying for carbon should be employed. It seems very easy for anyone who has bought gas for their car, you pay for the carbon while you buy the fuel. This should be at a realistic cost of remediation which is approximately $100 per ton of CO2. This is not excessive by any means as the industry was buying fuel at $660 per ton of fuel only 24 months ago. The current price of $250 per ton would mean that even buying fuel at the same rate and paying a reasonable rate for CO2 ( 3 tons of CO2 produced per ton of fuel burned ) is $300 , that leaves the cost less than 2 years ago. No brainer.
Bob BinghamDecember 6, 2015 2:59 am
There is a video on youtube where the CEO of Exxon is talking about the effects of climate change, In the middle he indulges in a bit of misinformation and then, when he starts talking about a sea level rise of 4/6 inches you know he is lying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IotGLnXvaEk
WarrenDecember 6, 2015 1:36 am
Since McKibben is right about the Science (all institutions of science in the world conclude man's burning of fossil fuels is warming the Earth, dangerously so, as does 99.9% of peer reviewed research), and about the policy and economics ( most economists agree that a carbon tax costs less then the costs of adapting to Climate Change), it seems your accusations have no merit.
WarrenDecember 5, 2015 5:31 pm
McKibben is right on the science (100% of the worlds institutions of science and 99.9% of peer reviewed research conclud mans burning of fossil fuels is warming the planet and dangerously so) and he's right on economic policy (most economists agree a carbon tax will cost less than the cost of adaption to Climate Change), so your accusation seems without merit.
Thom BohlenDecember 5, 2015 8:50 am
It is astounding to hear that some of the developing countries' delegates are holding meetings outside in noisy areas to avoid bugging by US, UK, and other spy agencies. Without any real trust between nations, is there any real hope that a lasting climate change mitigation agreement can be reached within a couple of weeks? Also the attending delegates need to be de-coupled from the influence of the fossil fuel related corporations, for any real commitments, if realized, to be meaningful.
Kassem MouradDecember 5, 2015 5:05 am
If we take a larger view of the countries that oppose or in favour on dealing with climate change , you should be able to see that the opposing countries are going to be affected negatively by the COP21, KSA might be effected if demand for oil decreases as for India to achieve the COP21 goal will put a huge financial burden . As for some of the countries that are with COP21 goal. Are being effected already by climate change such as islands countries or countries seeing the effects through drought or flooding. And there are countries that are looking at the financial gains they can achieve because of there nations knowledge and tools that could be invested in tackling climate change .Although climate change could be a natural course that the plant endures over its life span , but we still have to follow the recommendations of COP21 because it is what every country should be aiming on improving their environment and natural resource sustainably
Richard A. FletcherDecember 5, 2015 4:53 am
Avik Roy is not an MSN writer, he writes mainly for Forbes, in the healthcare section and economics.
Dr David P. KnightDecember 4, 2015 9:37 am
Visit http://www.capglobalcarbon.org/ to discover a direct mechanism for keeping the majority of the world's fossil fuels in the ground.
IanDecember 3, 2015 4:06 pm
Removing CO2 from the atmosphere biologically to a safe level of 350 ppm CO2 should be apolitical, so support for this by all UN nations including the fossil fuel industry is highly feasible at the current Paris Conference. A global carbon tax of $5/ton on CO2 emissions of 50 billion tons/year will raise an immediate $250 billion/year globally for this unavoidable project, better now than later. The $250 billion/year will also improve global energy efficiency. If the 3 astronauts on the Apollo 13 mission could save themselves by removing CO2 with a gadget they built onboard in a hurry, why can't 6 billion astronauts do the same with trees, vegetation, algae?
bradfreggerDecember 3, 2015 1:30 pm
Such an arrogant, ignorant jerk! He is literally the reincarnation of one of the leaders of the inquisition demanding that those opposed to the "center of the universe" hypothesis be burned at the stake. Science doesn't work by silencing the opposition, it thrives by opposing views, makes its greatest strides by challenging the "consensus." With views like this gaining strength we will soon enter another dark ages. Worse, his view will result in greater suffering and death to billions.
ThomasJKDecember 3, 2015 11:07 am
Where is it written in the annals of The Universe that enough wishing and hoping will cause the fundamental laws of physics -- and chemistry -- to flex, bend and stretch is just the right ways to make all the hopey - wishy stuff become possible? For as long as government financial subsidies are needed for "renewables" so-called viability, "renewables" will not be sustainably viable. One thing that appears to not make the agenda is that money is a proxy for energy. In both directions -- energy is the source of money and having money enables the "haves" to have access to energy.
DismayedDecember 2, 2015 9:02 pm
Highest costs on the planet is due to lower subsidies in the US than in places such as Germany. To pin this on Obama is absurd - Congress is responsible for legislation. as for US health care costs - they were higher than ROW for decades before Obama came into office, and now the rate of increase has declined. So your complaint about health care costs being driven by the ACA is baseless.
russ georgeDecember 2, 2015 8:53 pm
Prince Charles speaks truly, our common home, our planet has been poisoned by us and we refuse to treat her. We have already forced a trillion tonnes of CO2 upon her in all of our yesterday emissions of fossil CO2, a lethal dose if left unattended to. What it seems is taking place at the Paris COP21 is tens of thousands of delegates working for their vested interests, salaries, and pensions to raise a trillion dollars per year in global carbon taxes to be aimed at more research and develipment for decades to come. The tragic folly of Paris becomes poignantly clear when you learn that the most effective and least costly working solution to safely and sustainably manage billions of tonnes of CO2 every year at a cost of mere millions of dollars per year has been expressly banned from the agenda. The treatment of Mother Natures poisoning can be simply accomplished by reviving her most abundant plant life and ecosystem, her ocean pastures. This will not just offer the antidote to billions of tonnes of CO2 every year, Nature will repay us promptly with a dividend of billions of her additional fish to help us decisively end world hunger. Such low cost disruptive technologies are always fought against by the vested interests.http://russgeorge.net/2015/12/01/disruptive-co2-technology-too-cheap-to-meter/
SaraDecember 2, 2015 2:18 pm
So, it's all about money for you? No compassion? No feelings. Sad
RBeamanDecember 2, 2015 12:20 pm
Amber Rudds rudderless policies and outright fabrications on fracking are non sense and certainly not pro-green. The US precedent is clear, even in a low interest economy fracking companies are hemorrhaging money. In some cases 100% revenue simply pays interest costs. http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-10-13/time-is-running-out-on-u-s-frackers
RBeamanDecember 2, 2015 10:55 am
The industry built up around 'aidwashing' and 'greenwashing', despite the best intentions of NGO's and intergovernment agencies, simply allows corporations and governments to pay lip service to the fundamental problems we have. It may just be that the clamor for publicity, investment in smoke and mirrors and weight of media attention on corporate's largely inflated initiatives, corporations are 'hoist by their own petard', but I doubt it, it will never be soon enough and is huge amount of misdirected energy. If there are not enough effective governments that genuinely want to positively impact the future, to regulate corprorations; tax them accordingly; direct quality aid to the countries that need(Paris Declaration on Aid Effectiveness, 2005); to urgently address sovereign debt issues (UNCTAD's rejected 'Draft Resolution on the 'Basic Principals of Sovereign Debt Restructuring Processes') and to stop exporting arms to countries with poor human rights records, then for as long as we are around to bear witness, will always be scratching the surface.
peterkosDecember 2, 2015 8:52 am
Go India and China! Build all 1617 coal fired power plants. Our world needs more CO2, As for the 2 c temperature rise, who cares, If temperatures went up 5 c, we and the life on this plant would benefit beyond belief.
Mike ParrDecember 1, 2015 8:04 pm
Cretinism on two legs: “Countries like India are being expected to increase their emission targets without guarantees they will be helped financially,” said Oxfam’s Tim Gore. Let's try this: Reliance, the Indian power group, recently announced it was selling its coal mines to focus on PV.... because.... PV was cheaper than coal. So if PV is cheaper than coal why does India need help financially Mr Gore? Or perhaps you are paid by the Indian gov' to pass the Indian begging bowl around? Or to make excuses for their lack of action? Pathetic, like many of the pathetic people at COP21.
Mike ParrDecember 1, 2015 8:00 pm
Comical. Remind me - is it hot n sunny in Saudi, remind me LCOEs for PV (in Saudi), remind me, is it windy on the east coast - I could go on & on & on..... the Saudi's too fat, too lazy & too stupid to do anything.
Mike ParrDecember 1, 2015 7:57 pm
Finally, somebody talking sense - bravo to the Nicaraguan delegate - the only person telling it the way it is.
Thom BohlenDecember 1, 2015 2:00 pm
The world leaders must determine to leave the coal in the ground. It should not matter what has gone on before in year's past - everyone back then was more ignorant of the consequences. Now we know the true consequences of burning coal. There is no such thing as "Clean Coal". It is high time for the world leaders at COP 21 to get real, and make some very hard decisions for the future of mankind.
geoff ChambersNovember 30, 2015 3:40 pm
“At stake is the transformation of the world economy away from fossil fuels to wind, solar, marine and as yet undiscovered forms of energy by 2100.” I can't see anyone signing a binding treaty to transform to forms of energy that haven't been discovered yet.
Jan GalkowskiNovember 29, 2015 8:26 pm
I would suggest that the UN is a gentler means of coming to face reality than leaving the question to Nature, who will be heartless, sharp, and unforgiving. Many have an exaggerated opinion of what technology is capable of doing. Sure, it can put mindless distraction machines in our pockets, but when it comes to the point of putting the emissions genie back in the bottle, the scale is well beyond what today's economies can afford. I don't really care any longer. The peoples of the world -- especially the peoples of the United States and Europe (broadly defined) -- will need to decide whether they want short term comfort, or a looming climate depression coming at them down the road. Eventually, zero Carbon energy will disrupt and destroy fossil fuels, the jobs of their employees, energy utilities, and companies which depended upon their largesse and the largesse of governments influenced by them. That will most probably happen, however, on a schedule which is too slow to avert building in major climate disruption to the pipeline. Don't need to take my word for it. Just wait. But be sure when the doubters are proved wrong, and they and their children suffer economically from the consequences of their stupidity, know I will laugh, and laugh, and laugh.
André BalsaNovember 29, 2015 1:20 pm
As the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere inexorably rises (it is now past 400ppm and increasing at approx. 2.2ppm/year), the UN, the IPCC and the scientific community in general have to choose to either move the temperature rise goalpost (2C) or move the goalpost of "further allowable emissions", so that the math adds up. And since the 2C global temperature rise seems to be a more popular and easier to understand symbolic target, the emissions targets get sacrificed and changed. It's as simple as that. Obviously, at some point in time around 2065, once we have reached a measured 1.5C global temperature rise, the 2C goalpost will also have to be changed. But by then a new generation of politicians and climate scientists will have taken over and it will be up to them to find realistic solutions to the challenges of 3C or more global temperature rise.
Debra SmithNovember 28, 2015 7:20 pm
GO AUSTRALIA!
Gul RamaniNovember 28, 2015 5:08 am
The Islamic State could give an assurance that they will not disturb the Paris Climate Change talks imho.
Adam GallonNovember 27, 2015 9:12 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34900474 Meanwhile, the public's interest continues to decline. Perhaps because we live in the real world & have to pay our money to fly to nice places, can't afford your level of hotel, don't get limousines to ferry us around in & see no signs of anything catastrophic about a bit of warming & actually we'd rather like some more warming.
BreakingwindNovember 27, 2015 6:29 pm
"Hundreds of thousands of people are expected to march around the world this weekend” Were is the start point (so I can book a plane ticket) ? Which route are they taking ? Are they going east to west or west to east ? Have you lain on ships for the wet bits? Are sandwiches provided? If they all end up in one place what about toilets ? Do I need to bring wet-wipes?
Paul MatthewsNovember 27, 2015 9:51 am
I'm not sure what this "wave of optimism" is. The BBC reports that "Public support for a strong global deal on climate change has declined, according to a poll carried out in 20 countries. Only four now have majorities in favour of their governments setting ambitious targets at a global conference in Paris. In a similar poll before the Copenhagen meeting in 2009, eight countries had majorities favouring tough action. The poll has been provided to the BBC by research group GlobeScan. Just under half of all those surveyed viewed climate change as a "very serious" problem this year, compared with 63% in 2009. The findings will make sober reading for global political leaders, who will gather in Paris next week for the start of the United Nations climate conference, known as COP21." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34900474
Ramesh MatNovember 27, 2015 9:20 am
Brilliant Ed. An exemplary article, very lucid.
tim croslandNovember 26, 2015 2:08 pm
Parties should beware of fixing on the inclusion of language on loss and damage at any price. What matters is the content and effect of the language. Will it guarantee compensation and immediate funding to deal with climate change disaster and loss and damage? What effect will it have on litigation rights? If the US makes the inclusion of Article 5(1) conditional on the exemption / limitation of litigation rights that would most definitely be a bad deal for vulnerable and developing countries. To avoid misunderstanding Parties should directly raise the issue of litigation rights in this context.
Guy EdwardsNovember 26, 2015 2:07 pm
If there are plans to update this post it would be great to hear what Mexico, Brazil and AILAC have to say given their progressive agendas on issues such as a long-term mitigation goal, differentiation, South-South cooperation on finance to complement the $100 billion commitment from developed countries, a long-term adaptation goal, among others.
AlecMNovember 26, 2015 9:56 am
My heart bleeds.
dave bainardNovember 26, 2015 3:44 am
This Paris Party is just a gathering of elites trying to brag about how fast they can destroy economies. When people start farming on Greenland again like they did 1000 years ago, then maybe there's a bit of warming. But then people weren't using fossil fuels 1000 years ago.
WookieInHeatNovember 25, 2015 9:23 pm
hurrah! i'm going to go burn off my used engine oil to celebrate.
John WBNovember 25, 2015 9:50 am
A cut is not enough, all these useless posts should be eliminated altogether. These are non jobs.
MarshNovember 25, 2015 9:33 am
This Climate Change summit should be CANCELLED. Leaders have misplaced their priorities in relation to the current Terrorism threat !!! Climate Change "is over rated and a postponement is a practical Safety measure"... When we talk and write of "extremism",,, proceeding with COP21 is precisely that : given the Risk ! ............
Robin_GuenierNovember 25, 2015 9:03 am
Unfortunately perhaps Bangladesh may not be setting the best example. See this: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/05/opinion/bangladeshs-coal-delusion.html?_r=1. An extract: "Under its 2010 master plan for developing the energy sector, the government hopes that by 2030, 50 percent of Bangladesh’s power will be generated by coal, up from about 2 percent now." And there is another point of view: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/5515d9f9e4b04d5c3198b7bb/t/552d37bbe4b07a7dd69fcdbb/1429026747046/An+Ecomodernist+Manifesto.pdf. An extract: "Climate change and other global ecological challenges are not the most important immediate concerns for the majority of the world’s people. Nor should they be. A new coal-fired power station in Bangladesh may bring air pollution and rising carbon dioxide emissions but will also save lives. For millions living without light and forced to burn dung to cook their food, electricity and modern fuels, no matter the source, offer a pathway to a better life, even as they also bring new environmen- tal challenges."
Paul MatthewsNovember 24, 2015 6:27 pm
"The total includes the building and dismantling of the main conference centre and a separate pavilion, as well as local travel for the 40,000 people expected to attend." Local travel? That's pretty misleading. Add in all the flights from the US and elsewhere, some in private jets, and the total carbon footprint must be much higher, at least twice the 21000 tons figure.
Robin_GuenierNovember 24, 2015 5:21 pm
Harjeet: You say, "Developed countries ... pumped over 70 percent of accumulated greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere". Have you a source for that? The IPCC appears to have a rather different view. See its AR5 WG3 Technical Summary: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg3/ipcc_wg3_ar5_technical-summary.pdf. Go to the graph (Figure TS.2) on page 43. As you see, it indicates that the developed countries (i.e. the OECD shown as a blue block in the top RH panel) were responsible for less than 50% of cumulative CO2 emissions from all sources - 1750-2010. If that's correct, you may wish to reconsider the thrust of your article.
CalviniusNovember 23, 2015 8:21 pm
The only thing that's political is the denial of global warming. And deniers are not skeptics.
CalviniusNovember 23, 2015 8:20 pm
I just love how people think that technology is just a magic wand that can fix everything.
Plains_EdgeNovember 23, 2015 6:10 pm
So, even though the CO2 limits would allow approximately a 50% increase in tar sands production, I guess the tar sands operators' hope to achieve an industry triple its current size to over 5 million barrels per day is kaput. Good!
IanNovember 23, 2015 3:49 pm
Questions for delegates at Paris Conference to ask scientists are: 1. The total giga tons of CO2 currently in the atmosphere. 2. The giga tons of CO2 that need to be removed by biological means to bring CO2 down to a safe level. 3. What is the range of atmospheric CO2 levels then that should be maintained to sustain climate safety. 4. The amount of global investment needed to bring CO2 down to the safe level, and once there, the annual investment needed globally to keep CO2 at that safe level. 5. The easiest, quickest, transparent, agreeable, and best way to collect and use the money needed for this global project. 6. The time frame needed for implementation of this project to ensure global safety and success to keep warming limit below 1.5 degrees centigrade. 7. Other questions...
PaullitelyNovember 23, 2015 8:24 am
Its more and more clear all the time that COP21 is a Fundraising Party to benefit everyone who attends. Party favors?
Danny GreeneNovember 23, 2015 1:37 am
North Vancouver, good for you!
IanNovember 22, 2015 12:13 pm
The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere as giga tons, calculated from current 481 ppm CO2-eq is now extraordinarily high causing extensive ocean warming, and increasing daily at around 95 million tons. Without urgent direct biological removal of CO2 to safe levels and a stop to deforestation, it could soon reach a point of "game over" if we lose this last lifeline opportunity. This opportunity could soon be closed forever if it becomes too hot for forests to cope, with the amounts of CO2 just too high then for effective removal. Delegates at Paris Conference, please discuss this option at Paris after consulting scientists.
IanNovember 22, 2015 3:41 am
Temperatures continue a record-breaking, hottest trend in 2015 because of very high CO2 levels, currently at 481 ppm CO2-eq(NOAA, ESRL, 2014). 481 ppm CO2-eq has the same warming effect as 400 ppm CO2 (current level) + 81 ppm CO2 equivalent contributions from other GH gases methane, nitrous oxide, HFCs etc. 481 ppm CO2-eq could soon be 484 ppm CO2-eq for 2015. 481 ppm CO2 is the high level of CO2 we are contending with in reality, not 400 ppm CO2. To have any chance of keeping warming limit below 1.5 degrees centigrade or 2 degrees centigrade, when dangerous climate changes such as intense heat waves, power of hurricanes (e.g. Patricia) and sea level rise will increase, the Paris Conference should discuss buying critical time now by direct biological removal of CO2 globally. Each day, extra CO2 is being added to the atmosphere at around 95 million tons of CO2, so CO2 removal from the atmosphere needs to start soon after the Paris Conference and not in 2020 when the Kyoto protocol expires. Direct CO2 removal is the most cost-effective, quickest mitigation action for buying time.
Chris DodwellNovember 20, 2015 6:28 pm
Well done, Ed. This is really good summary of the text, concise and insight. Anyone interested in the issues to be debated at the COP should take a look at this with the draft text alongside: it's not hard to see how the positions set out above are reflected in the options on the table. I agree that differentiation is the key and that whole sections of the text could be cleared up if agreement on that is possible. There are linkages and trade-offs here across different sections and scope for the "firewall" to be removed in some places and retained in others. One thing missing from your summary is the question of legal form - a huge issue for the US of course. Worth keeping an eye on the links between that and Article 11 on compliance. For me the biggest prize is a more specific long term goal (Article 3) which would not only satisfy the media's need for a simple message but would give a benchmark to measure future rounds of INDCs against.
Kevin HesterNovember 20, 2015 2:30 pm
Talk is cheap and there is no chance of any positive outcome from Cop 21. We have now entered abrupt climate change and there is nothing we can do except prepare for #TheGreatUNraveling of our biosphere at an exponential rate.
tadchemNovember 19, 2015 6:44 pm
Liberals generally lash out at the victims in any major paradigm change. They need to consider the likelihood that policies that impose hardships will be met with strong resistance - against the policy-makers. The 'unfashionable industries' that suffered from technological progress were those that were supplanted - those whose products/services were rendered superfluous by the advances - from lamplighters and stableboys to telegraphers, phone booth manufacturers, and bootblacks.
bradfreggerNovember 19, 2015 2:44 pm
You guys need to go back to school. The lower prices will increase the demand: economics 101.
ArohaNovember 19, 2015 10:00 am
Marching here in NZ !
Marianne BirkbyNovember 18, 2015 5:08 pm
“Opponents of nuclear misread the science. It is safe and reliable" says Government Propagandist Amber Rudd - does that mean that insurers are so convinced by Amber Rudd's statement that they will insure our houses in the event of nuclear accident ? "safe and reliable" uranium coming from Kazakhstan courtesy of Toshiba/Westinghouse/Engie- produced by leaching chemicals into the ground in much the same way as fracking on steroids.
Bob BinghamNovember 16, 2015 5:47 am
COP21. Nobody can leave the room until a deal it struck. Its only humans life on the planet that is at stake. http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/latest-posts--news/how-safe-is-2c
Natalie UnterstellNovember 16, 2015 4:09 am
Rigorous? Gimme a break.
Natalie UnterstellNovember 16, 2015 4:09 am
Ow... you will have lots of individual freedom when you move to a barrack due to floodings in your city.
Lowry DaveNovember 15, 2015 8:19 pm
I was horrified on what happened in Paris and I'm having doubts, right now, on the question if there is any state from the modern world who could guarantee the safety of its citizens.... I hope that France could guarantee the safety of those who will take part at COP21, but on the other hand, I must admit that I'm not a fan of this conference, and here's why: http://oceansgovernclimate.com/100-000-000-000-us-per-year-for-waste/.
grakateNovember 15, 2015 1:21 am
Canada is a treaty nation: there are 634 recognized First Nations governments.
Henk Daalder Windparken WikiNovember 14, 2015 4:50 pm
Fossil fuel itself is not the problem. Its the release of CO2 in the air. That is why CCS should be made a mandatory technology for all 2000 fossil power plants in the world. When this is done with the mineral olivine, there is no efficiency loss and pollution is also kept out of the air. This will increase the price of power, but also reduces the need for subsidy for wind power. So, mandatory CCS is good governance for less subsidy
ADPATERSON79November 14, 2015 3:10 pm
Move COP21 to Berlin, (or polluted Beijing as a backdrop), or do it by satellite. Paris cannot provide security in the wake of this.
Tom DavidsonNovember 13, 2015 8:15 pm
The real threat here is gravity. The island is made of loose sediment and sits in an estuary. Gravity is pulling the sediment , making it gradually subside - like New Orleans. It only *looks* like the sea is rising; the land is sinking.
Henk Daalder Windparken WikiNovember 13, 2015 6:39 pm
CCS, should be made mandatory for all fossil power plants Fossil fuel are not the problem, the CO2 is. With CO2 Capture and Sorage, CCS the real problem is solved. Various technologies for CCS have been developers, they can compete, and innovation will lead to power cost. But only when decent governance makes it mandatory
loppyNovember 12, 2015 5:59 pm
Forests are important to protect. When they are within a protected area then the task becomes easier if the appropriate protected area legislation is in place. So, let's create more PAs and assure they are truly protected.
WillNovember 12, 2015 5:01 pm
Without a global carbon tax discussion planned for the Paris COP21 Conference, there is no additional finance for transfer of climate adaptation technologies to developing countries, LDCs and SIDS; the Paris Conference could start off badly, and could even fail. $5 a ton CO2 tax by high GDP nations can raise an additional $125 - $150 billion a year finance for them, and a splendid start of global action to stop escalating CO2 levels and temperatures. If the EU ministers promises now to commit to a carbon tax at the Paris Conference, other nations will see the logic and will follow.
All ForestersNovember 12, 2015 2:43 am
Some say that REDD is already unanimously agreed in Cancun Agreement, if its not mentioned in the Paris accord does this mean that Cancun is lost? what's the additionality if past achievement is taken again in Paris , why not to invest time and money on something additional All Foresters list by LEAD
HowardB1November 11, 2015 10:00 pm
"Severe drought has strafed Brazil nearly 40 times since 1583" (Bloomberg News Feb 15, 2015)
Md Nasir UddinNovember 11, 2015 10:45 am
A robust adaptation, that too going to be very expensive, in built ecosystems, agriculture, and the like could be the best guarantor of averting unforseen damages to be done in a two degree regime. In a world where major economies are locked in resource crunch it may not be realistic to exhaust energy on loss and damage issue by LDC, SIDS and Africa group. The issue has definitely strong merits to be tabled for discussions. If the negotiations lead to financing it may face stiff resistance from the countries held liable for warming the planet. For now half of the battle would only be won if climate finance for adaptation is ensured as per Copenhagen agreement.
Avery HardenNovember 10, 2015 3:57 pm
Being a very religious country such as Saudi Arabia believing God provided them the abundance of oil to reward their special religion to now be told their God given gift is a threat to the world's environment must be a hard pill to swallow.
Mr FebruaryNovember 2, 2015 7:20 am
Malcolm Turnbull is using the "ethical drug dealer" defence. Here is part of his statement (courtesy the Guardian). “If Australia stopped exporting coal, the countries to which we export it would buy it from somewhere else. So there is absolutely quite a lot of coal around ... so if Australia were to stop all of its coal exports it would not reduce global emissions one iota. In fact, arguably it would increase them because our coal, by and large, is cleaner than the coal in many other countries." Let's replace coal with drugs, coal importers with teenagers and other coal exporters with other drug dealers "If I stopped supplying the local teenagers drugs, the teenagers would buy drugs from someone else. So there is absolutely quite a lot of drugs around ... so if I stopped selling drugs it would not reduce the drug problem one iota. In fact, arguably it would increase the drug problem, because my drugs are cleaner than the drugs sold by other dealers". This is utterly immoral and unethical.
David SmithOctober 30, 2015 9:54 pm
Oh well, I stand corrected. Like I say, I still don't care that he does.
mikehaselerOctober 30, 2015 1:10 pm
May I remind you that NOAA refused to defend their fabricated warming and that now the only credible indication of global warming are the satellites which continue to show no warming for 18 years. Nor are there any trends in severe weather, global ice is back to normal. No more drought, floods, snow, plagues of frogs, etc. In short, this scam is over.
Marco FanteOctober 29, 2015 4:02 am
I found this in another forum on the same topic: MarcFive: "Excuse my interruption Mr Turnbull, but on the remote chance that you (or one of your media minions) is monitoring this forum, I would like to query your reference to "the development goals, alleviating hunger and promoting prosperity right around the world" In early 2014, an Oxfam report determined that the 85 richest people on Earth have the same amount of wealth as the bottom half of the worlds population. The study also found that the richest 1% had 65 times the total wealth of the poorest half, and that this gap between the have-nots and have-yachts has been increasing for a great many years. I was just wondering how the selling and burning of coal might possibly reverse this trend - and, if it could conceivably do so, why it hasn't done already? Viewed from this perspective, your portrayal of the coal industry as an agent of social justice is quite new and creative. It stretches the imagination but suffers under questioning. At the very least I would suggest that you kindly reconsider this story before representing our nation at the UN Climate Change Conference in Paris.. Please
Climate HomeOctober 28, 2015 1:42 pm
Hi Nate. Thanks for pointing out the incorrect link. I have fixed it now - it takes you to the PDF
MacOctober 27, 2015 5:30 pm
Well, what is the problem? Who has benefitted the most from globalisation? The US. Do we really think we are more important than the rest of the world, that we have the God-given right to pollute the air and water just because we have the most powerful military? It is time to grow up, time to realise that everyone has to play by the same rules.
David MuscatOctober 27, 2015 5:03 pm
Derby Waste, you should challenge this issue as the only way that this could have happened was because one of the Directors from the Green Investment Bank also works for an incineration company.
David MuscatOctober 27, 2015 5:02 pm
It is interesting to follow these notes Mr Mariel Vilella and we all appreciate the issues. If you look at Anaerobic Digestion as it is here stated then we already have a series of proposals in the European Union which after a simplified form of pre-treatment is able to digest the celluloses from the organic materials in less than three days and still produce the optimum maximum quantities of Methane. This means that a plant that has the requirement to extract methane from around 300,000 tonnes per year of raw biomass which is recovered from Municipal Solid Waste, and still contains around a third in free water, will produce over 35,000 tonnes of Methane a year and that this can be designed and built and operated for a capital cost outlay of just €uro 130 Million. This is by far way below the costs of the incineration plants we are seeing proposed to day. It is amazing to read that the Green Investment Bank (in the UK?) is supporting incineration investment when it is contrary to its founding base. Is this because one of the Bank's Directors is seconded from an Incineration company? This sounds like nepotism and is a fraudulent abuse of his position in the Bank.
facepalmOctober 27, 2015 2:52 pm
With a newly elected nationalist Kacynski with Beata Szydlo as a socket-Puppet? Fat chance. It wil be dig, baby dig.
Nate OwensOctober 27, 2015 11:31 am
The link for the "55-page document" is down. Did it link to a PDF of the proposals or another article?
chris gardinerOctober 27, 2015 7:38 am
Countries must act individually as well as collectively. Just as World War II was conducted so it must be for nations. They must declare eco war and apply financial sanctions on imports from countries that do not comply. They need to set a target of zero fossil fuels by 2060 and then tax non compliance wherever it is from. So if they double the tax on fossil fuels as a start point then they also need to add this tax to all imports that are not taxed properly in the source country. They need to move towards a public transport economy as fast as possible because public transport can be electrified now. By taking a lead and declaring as happened in WWII "We shall never surrender" the whole world can be dragged into compliance.
paasingbyOctober 26, 2015 9:08 pm
"Deserts 'greening' from rising carbon dioxide: Green foliage boosted across the world's arid regions Increased levels of carbon dioxide have helped boost green foliage across the world's arid regions over the past 30 years through a process called carbon dioxide fertilization, according to new research" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130708103521.htm
DeirdreOctober 26, 2015 10:39 am
Exactly! We need food! And we will continue to need food for the foreseeable future which is why we have to get global warming under control. Droughts, extreme weather emergencies and economic disruption are already impacting food supply and the threat of extreme food emergencies in the future is very real. Let's hope we are able to avoid these most dire consequences by taking action on climate now.
WillOctober 26, 2015 1:59 am
Merkel, Hollande, supporting national leaders, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, Governor of California, Mayor of Rio de Janeiro and prominent business leaders have all united to call for a transparent and stable global carbon price. The extremely complicated COP21 text to date, and lack of time before the Paris conference calls for a global carbon tax to be a first priority in the text enabling ministers meeting at Paris to solve the frustrating problem of finance for climate adaptation in LDCs. Most importantly, to begin a global effort using a carbon tax for biological removal of dangerously accumulated CO2 and GH gases in the atmosphere.
Ragnar DanneskjöldOctober 24, 2015 6:18 pm
I deeply, sincerely hope that COP21 is a failure much like COP15. Global governance, with draconian regulation and taxes, which apparently is on the table in Paris, is certainly NOT beneficial to neither human progress or the global environment. The world is severely lacking in individual freedom. It needs more of it, not less.
R GerardOctober 24, 2015 5:22 pm
would like to add social responsibility World leaders,.Parliament members,Multinational businessand the stakeholders of civil society should look beyond their political andbusines interests.WE are in the same boat and they will perish if the boat is rocking ,if Earth planet is devastated .Why cant they understand .Do they believe they alone willsurvive?
Felipe P. ManteigaOctober 24, 2015 2:19 pm
Applaud this rigorous approach. And even when predicting a weak, rather than a strong, approach, its results nurture cautious optimism. Still, the world will rush through the two degrees-2030 like, literally, there is no tomorrow. Gluttony will trump wisdom...again. Dark clouds cover the global hegemon political process. The U.S. Congress has repeatedly told major gas emitters they can spew all the CO2 equivalents they want, because climate change is a hoax, and in any case nothing can be done. Presient Obama might be impeached due to his far reaching (primarily in time) rigurosos, carbon limiting, policies. When the U.S. tells the Chinese, Indians, and Colombians indulge on carbon all you want, no problem. Putin, please, do not mind what scientific evidence your own teams bring you, spew. Why should any troubled decision maker or Chambers of Commerce, care about something that, according to the all powerful U.S. Congress does not exist? Solid analysis and improved communication (avoiding scientific slang, and parsing knowledge) are contributing, but who cares about the small islands, when the citizens of Florida, in their vast majority, led by Governor Scott, just crack up laghing when you bring up the climate change, droughts, floods, and disease to their attention; it would appear they would welcome Malaria back. In the U.S. it would apperar many voters prefer plutocracy to democracy; the nation may be witnessing, the onset of the Era of the Billionaires. Bill Gates is pouring, already, millions behind climate change, the indispensable research and development (e.g. clean nuclear power) and other options, including the policy front. His example is not contagious. Most other billionaires are awaiting for an angle to make money from the climate change disaster--incluidng favored real state. Let's expect for the Paris outcome, what the heck, let's be optimistic. Perhaps those who stand to lose a lot, because they have a lotto lose, will give the right nod.
WillOctober 24, 2015 4:10 am
A good start at the Paris conference is critically important, so "keeping it simple" should be the theme for ministers meeting shortly to refine action. Merkel, Hollande, supporting national leaders, World Bank, IMF and business leaders have united and shown the way. A transparent global carbon tax is needed to start immediate climate repair they said. $5 per ton carbon tax by all participating nations for CO2 emitted each year will generate around $250 billion a year for biological carbon removal from the atmosphere, and $5 per ton tax on CO2 emitted each year by high GDP nations will generate $125 - $150 billion a year finance for climate adaptation in low GDP nations (in addition to the $100 billion a year promised at Copenhagen for the Green Climate Fund).
Randall SmithOctober 23, 2015 9:54 pm
COP21: 1/2 measure but it will be modified for INCR Co2 cuts soon when it's obviously needed.
Asteroid MinerOctober 23, 2015 6:28 pm
G77 does not have authority to tax me. This extortion attempt must not prosper. The third world must quit the nonsense and cooperate or they will be the first to die of starvation. What they are doing now is simply obstruction. The first world owes them nothing. We could sell them nuclear power plants at a fair price.
cardiganOctober 23, 2015 3:03 pm
"Hare added: “Scientific papers point to climate change playing a part in the region’s crippling 2007-2010 drought… " However, a closer look reveals that drought is not unique in Turkey: http://www.climateadaptation.eu/turkey/droughts/ : "Turkey is exposed to drought hazards rather frequently. Spatial and temporal analyses of drought hazards in Turkey have not yet been completed but, for instance, intensive drought periods in 1804, 1876 and 1928 caused the loss of crops and animals and the migration of farmers to other areas. In particular, drought in 1876 caused the loss of more than 200,000 people because of famine and disease epidemics. Moreover, in 1915, the 1930s and between 1970 and 1974, Turkey experienced serious drought hazards. Also, 1988 and 1989 were the hardest drought years for the south-eastern Anatolia Region." So what caused these droughts? Where are the scientific papers to explain them? http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/drought-in-lake-van-exposes-long-submerged-ottoman-structures.aspx?pageID=238&nID=75569&NewsCatID=340: "The worst drought experienced by Lake Van in 15 years has exposed ancient cities and a number of historic artefacts that had until now long been submerged under water. Parts of the old city of Erciş, which lies along the northern stretch of Turkey’s largest lake, as well as an Ottoman fortress are not only visible, but also accessible by foot on the desiccated lake bed. A geographer from a local university says more ancient artefacts will be revealed if the water level continues to fall, including settlements and fortresses from the Urartian era. “Settlements that were thought to be indestructible were submerged underwater. If the water level drops further, we will see more of the remains of an ancient city,” said Ali Fuat Doğu from Van’s Yüzüncü Yıl University. The Urartian Kingdom dates back to around 1,000 B.C. and was one of the most important ancient civilizations to settle in Anatolia. The kingdom spread between the triangle formed by Lake Van, Lake Sevan in today’s Armenia, and Lake Urumiyah in western Iran." So it seems the region was drier a thousand years ago when these structures were part of inhabited cities.
INDC counterOctober 22, 2015 6:37 am
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Paul ClarkOctober 20, 2015 2:32 pm
So "climate sanity" = spending huge sums of money for an insignificant difference to the environment? Action on climate change is merely an expensive feel-good mission for greenies to feel like they're saving the world.
GeoffBeaconOctober 20, 2015 11:52 am
We should have a world wide carbon fee (call it a tax if necessary). The proceeds should be shared. This will encourage those poorer countries with the smallest greenhouse emissions to avoid the disasterous "industrialise to prosper and pollute" route. This does mean rich polluting countries (e.g. Europe, USA) will be paying to countries who pollute less in order that they do not pollute (e.g. Sub Saharan Africa). We don't need every nation to sign up to a World Wide Carbon Fee and Dividend http://ow.ly/TCpPS - nor does the Nordhaus 'climate club' http://ow.ly/TCpqK . OK, this sounds unlikely but so does avoiding dangerous climate change.
André BalsaOctober 19, 2015 7:21 pm
The concept of "fairness" has been far removed from international negotiations since the beginning of times and it would be naive to think that it could be applied to something as fundamental as the energy/carbon budget of modern nations.
André BalsaOctober 19, 2015 6:37 pm
Christiana Figueres, in an interview to the french newspaper Liberation on 15th Oct, has admitted that the current INDCs ahead of COP21 point to 3C global warming by the year 2100. And one should note that these are just pledges, and mechanisms to comply with these pledges are still to be defined. The historical emissions trajectory up until 2014 points to 4C or more by 2100. Also, technologies for carbon removal and storage to bring down the concentration of CO2 from its 500+ppm peak (probably reached within the next 25 years) have yet to be invented. But scientists around the world have been saying all this for decades, so I am not sure that climate scientists pointing out that an urgent revolution in energy consumption and usage patterns is required would make any difference at this point in time, unfortunately.
André BalsaOctober 18, 2015 4:26 am
It is becoming increasingly difficult to sort out the PC discourse of global leaders from their real strategic intents. I guess it's not so much that a low carbon economy will become the new normal (see Laurence Tubiana's Quote Of The Week above) - because it hasn't and there will be a transition period of many decades, but that already now the low carbon discourse has become the new PC discourse. The problem with the low carbon discourse is that it is somewhat hypocritical, coming from the already developed countries who are responsible for the use of the larger part of the global carbon budget for whatever temperature target is set. The rest of the world is just being told that they have a small "left-over" carbon budget for their own economic development, and to deal with it!
André BalsaOctober 18, 2015 3:55 am
@raw915 That was an interesting comment with a lot of good data, thanks. And I agree that nobody seems to be listening. In fact, this article came out in May and the gist of it is that 1.5C was still attainable. We are now six months later and I doubt any serious climate scientist is still claiming that 2C is attainable, most of them are now considering 3C as a realistic target... if serious carbon emission reduction and carbon capture and storage measures are put in place in the very short term. However, if the past is any indication of what awaits us in the future, my guess is that the global warming target will continue to be moved up. At this point I would say the UN has already given up on all the low lying Pacific island nations as well as a good part of Bangladesh's 160 million population, although nobody is stating the obvious (and why is India quietly building a 3400 km-long, billion-dollar fence at its border with Bangladesh?). The global collective decision making right now is more geared towards reaping the short-term economic development benefits of inexpensive fossil fuels and leaving the issues of dealing with the long-term consequences for the next generations, however insurmountable these issues may prove to be.
Bryan ChambersOctober 17, 2015 6:01 am
The San Francisco bay has risen 8 inches since 1900. I read this on a sign posted by the National Park service along the bay.
Zosha123October 16, 2015 5:40 pm
BON fires and "fireworks" at Climate Blame meeting? Climate Blame Exaggeration Was Liberalism's Iraq War Global climate change denial rules the day and the last 34 years of climate action debate, delay and disbelief demands scientists explain why they can't say; 'PROVEN'. It was only going to be a CO2 Armageddon. Why were you believers so eager to want this misery for our children. Did you hate conservatives enough to act like one? Is this how you want your kids remembering you?
MorinMossOctober 15, 2015 11:14 pm
And if your reasoning was correct, the planet, or at least the Northern hemisphere should be warmest during periods of maximum Arctic ice which peaks in late Feb - early March. That does not appear to be the case.
eusebio manuelOctober 15, 2015 10:41 am
Happy Development Sustainable in World
eusebio manuelOctober 15, 2015 10:40 am
Theoretically are not good signs on the part of the Gulf countries Saudi Arab and Qatar the sustainability of the systems will contribute to better environmental behavior
climatehawk1October 14, 2015 10:47 pm
This article could benefit from a bit more about what the manifesto actually says. I tweeted, but I'm guessing the retweets will be low.
WillOctober 14, 2015 4:59 pm
A global carbon tax plus INDCs, and promises to ramp up action every 5 years are all we need for Paris 2015 to be a success. Total global emissions of CO2 are now at 50 billion tons a year. A carbon tax of $5 a ton CO2 by all Nations will raise $250 billion each year for sequestering carbon in biomass; $2.5 trillion in 10 years will bring CO2 levels down quickly. Another $5 a ton tax on CO2, only by high GDP Nations for supporting low GDP Nations with mitigation technologies and costs of adaptation, will raise around $125 billion a year to boost the Green Fund. For success, action should begin straight after the Paris meeting and not in 2020.
Joris75October 14, 2015 12:30 pm
It's remarkable that the climate funding issue is mentioned last in this article. It is the most important issue and always has been. Currently, global fossil fuels cost about $4000 billion annually, and these fuels provide the global economy with primary energy at an average cost of less than $3 ct/kWh. Renewable energy is still significantly more expensive than $3 ct/kWh, at around $10 ct/kWh or more. To switch the world to renewable energy will increase the annual cost of energy from $4000 billion to at least $10000 billion, assuming energy consumption stays flat. About half of this $6000 billion cost increase is likely to be born by the world poorest 50%. It is likely that the worlds undeveloped countries will expect the developed half of the world to cover these extra costs, amounting to at least $3000 billion annually, which costs would not exist if those developing countries simply keep investing in new fossil fueled capacity as they are doing now. So what exactly is the proposed figure of $100 billion for the annual climate fund as mentioned in this article supposed to be? An attempt at comedy? The Paris talks are likely to fail, not for lack of effort, but simply due to lack of sober, rational analysis. Climate talks are just that: "talk". My own experience with people involved in those talks is that they tend to have a shallow or nonexistent understanding of physics and engineering, have elitist, utopian ideologies, and have a general unwillingness to engage with reality in a no-nonsense way. The success of the Paris talks will be measurable by a single metric: What they have done to enable the rapid, rational implementation of advanced nuclear power, globally. I expect the Paris talks will do nothing toward this measure, and hence I expect the Paris talks will do nothing to protect our common future.
Zosha123October 13, 2015 6:12 pm
Global climate change disbelief has prevented climate action for 34 years because science has never been certain enough to say; PROVEN for their own CO2 Armageddon threat to our very existence. What's worse, a comet hit? Only 34 more years of climate action delay is unstoppable.
eusebio manuelOctober 12, 2015 10:20 pm
Happy Sustainability 2015 Marrocos
Rosemary JonesOctober 11, 2015 8:56 pm
Provided the IPCC are prepared to progress policy to support sustaining ice, there might be a chance of less destruction, since about half warming is consequent on loss of reflectivity. But are they ? Can the UNFCCC include sustaining ice in the official definition of mitigation at this late stage, and not leave solar reflective pain applications to be decided only by town planners ? The question is not, as some armchair academics would have us believe, that there is not enough money to do emission reduction, sink enlargement, urban spray painting, shading and re-glaciation all at once, but rather are we prepared to put the work in - that is identify which glaciers and glacial lakes can be saved, where re-glaciation (like the World Bank funded re-glaciation project in Peru) is best focused, and who will research and develop the solar and hydrogen assisted shading frames, which could be essential to these processes ? Suggestions about the last please: [email protected]
Fernando LeanmeOctober 10, 2015 11:27 pm
It's reasonable for Bolivia to exploit its natural resources. The natural gas they produce has a very small footprint. They have many poor who do need to eat.
André BalsaOctober 10, 2015 8:25 am
Lagarde's comments on carbon taxes are exactly what the head of the IMF is supposed to say to keep the global financial system working, meanwhile Europe already has in place a number of carbon taxes of one sort or another, and the three remaining major GHG emitters, namely China, the US and India, are unlikely to put in place any sort of effective carbon tax that will put a dent on their economies. Business as usual is the order of the day, and will remain so until the very last CO2 molecule underground finds its way into the atmosphere.
AshwanjOctober 10, 2015 6:09 am
I agree, that the developed countries have done very little on carbon control front..rather some of them increased their emissions.. Even in recession period..this raises a serious question on their commitment... To this global issues... The basis principle of polluter pay is violated.. Ashwani
Sara RossOctober 9, 2015 11:43 pm
If the population is not stabilized to a sustainable level, everything else will not matter much, as we run out of clean water, food, and space in the race through the 6th (Holocene) extinction, which unlike all the previous ones, is caused by human generated ecocide...
Dave_GOctober 9, 2015 10:19 pm
Nice to hear YOU had a result from complaining about BBC Charter infringements Mr Black - on each and every occasion I've had to complain about BBC bias on climate change reporting the BBC have brushed aside any references to Charter breaking. I just wonder how it manages to work in YOUR favour? Or is this yet another case of bias?
mike flanaganOctober 9, 2015 10:15 am
A bit like a cigarette company starting up a lung cancer clinic after twenty odd years of financing the denier clique, innit?
alex7070October 8, 2015 9:57 am
Even at 100 billion USD 1/700th or less of the annual world economy is not enough to do much especially when there is little agreement on how to measure or what to do. One thing is certain and that is mass migration is going to be the greatest short term challenge to societies. Who is migrating? Where are they going? Is it economic pursuit, fleeing war, or leaving nations in ruins from climate change? Are migrants friendly and open to adopting new cultures or are they bringing with them the very societal disaster they are leaving? Huge questions plus no leadership equals complete disaster.
Climate HomeOctober 6, 2015 9:14 am
Hi shinding. EDGAR had Bolivia at 0.2% in 2010. We calculated from the 2012 data. As you can see from this table, Bolivia's GHG emissions rose from 100,000Gg in 2010 to over 600,000Gg in 2012: http://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/overview.php?v=GHGts1990-2012&sort=asc1 I am not sure why Bolivia's emissions rose so fast, but I hope that explains the discrepancy.
shindigOctober 5, 2015 11:22 pm
Bolivia is 1.19% of global emissions? You absolutely sure about that? I think you might want to check that figure. In 2010 they were 0.09% of global emissions. Wikipedia (EDGAR/EU) have them as low as 0.05%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
Tom RadeckiOctober 4, 2015 10:48 pm
India doesn't need any international support to build plenty of coal power plants. Solar and wind energy, both of which India has in abundance, can be captured as electricity more cheaply than coal can generate electricity. So, why does India, the world's #1 fastest growing large economy, need $2.5 trillion from the rest of us? In the U.S. in 2014, the average wind energy power purchase agreement between wind farms and utility companies sold electricity for just 2.35 cents per kWh. Solar contracts in the Southwest go for around 4.0 cents per kWh. India has long made a conscious decision to have a high fertility rate and irresponsibly build their population to incredibly high levels. Even now, some of Modi's supporters are encouraging Hindu to have as many children as possible so as to stay ahead of growing Muslim populations. We all need to markedly reduce our carbon footprints as quickly as humanly possible.
SafronicusOctober 4, 2015 2:05 pm
Could someone put this information in a table with the countries in alpha order? Thanks.
Biologyteacher100October 3, 2015 3:35 pm
China promised the biggest change to renewable energy in history. They are already considerably ahead of schedule in reducing coal use. This is why Australia is canceling coal mines, for coal that they had hoped to export to China. Chinese leaders are behind the move, in part because living in Beijing takes about 10 years off you life. Guess where the Chinese leaders and their families live.
Andy GOctober 3, 2015 10:54 am
Not the wall of shame.. the wall of SENSIBLE !! This anti CO2 NONSENSE has to stop. We need food. !!
BarryWoodsSeptember 30, 2015 9:21 pm
"far right - c'mon are you sure you really want to say that - it has serious connotations.
Chester DrawsSeptember 30, 2015 7:40 pm
If ecomodernism doesn't cross the left-right divide, then it is going to remain partisan. And hence will have no hope of getting the common voter. Ideological purity feels great for the Greens, but keeps them mired as a minor party. Real progress will only come if a broad base is achieved. That means taking on board some concepts seen as more right than left. For example “If you did have very modest warming actually you would see crops grow further north, and you’d see growing yields.” is plainly true. If you can't accept facts like that, because they run into your prejudices that all climate change is bad, then you are arguing with the real world, not Mr Paterson.
WillSeptember 30, 2015 10:54 am
For "hiatus" or a cooling trend to have occurred between 1998- 2013, three factual events need to be proven wrong. 1.. Chemical analysis of CO2 and other GH gas levels performed monthly at the highly regarded Earth Sciences Research Laboratory (ESRL) of the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), USA; analyses are always confirmed by several independent laboratories elsewhere on the planet. 2.. The greenhouse gas warming mechanism based on the science of physics, and 3.. The first law of thermodynamics, which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. None of the above three can be shown to have been untrue between 1998-2013. CO2 and other GH gases have continued their relentless climb, and so has warming, shown by NOAA's trend line. Scientists have shown too that the hidden heat has been stored in the oceans, and is now being let loose causing ice-melt, sea level rise, and heat-waves. Temperatures for 2013, 2014 and 2015 have reached record levels. It is regrettable that this "hiatus" thinking lasted so long, affecting serious global climate action to lower rapidly accumulating CO2 and other GH gases. The straight line warming trend between 1950- 2014 may only be temporary relief if ocean temperatures keep increasing. Any sharp curve, upwards, in increasing global average temperatures, say between 2015 and 2030 could herald the beginning of an irreversible climatic tilt in global warming. We cannot wait for that to occur. Serious action to stop global warming must begin in Paris 2015.
Michael HSeptember 25, 2015 6:28 pm
Ideology doesn't make for good science. Neither does stupidity and blindness.
Michael HSeptember 25, 2015 6:26 pm
... which is is. Huh????
TomHarrisICSCSeptember 23, 2015 6:26 am
The UK should cancel more of the climate mitigation monster crippling their energy infrastructure and leaving the most vulnerable people at risk - see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqy7Lsolwpk
lenhy1September 22, 2015 1:41 pm
Hell, Obama already cost us 12 trillion and is still spending. This article is another in the liberals series of alarmist articles. The British met office has stated that the average temperature of the planet has not increased over the last 10 years. I wonder how much Al Gore is trying to make of this latest article.
hillboySeptember 22, 2015 1:40 pm
Well when you are 18 trillion dollars in debt because of all the corruption in govt. what difference will it make.
FlyovermanSeptember 22, 2015 12:23 pm
The people who lost $18 million in seven years running the restaurant for the U,S, Senate, spent $18 trillion on poverty with no reduction in policy, tripled the implementation costs of Obamacare from $.9 trillion to 2.6 trillion, and most recently have spent $500 million to train a grand total of 9 Syrian rebels are telling you that they can control the Earth's climate, if you are just willing to spend vast amounts of your money. All of their tales of doom are based on computer models, which have proven to be virtually worthless. Would you buy a used car from these people?
Zack H. AbdiSeptember 22, 2015 10:54 am
Sustainability is Necessity! Sustainability has three main pillars namely; Economy, Environment, and Social. Subsidizing water and energy is good but not sustainable solution. Green Economy is key to sustainable future for all three pillars for Sustainability. Understanding Carbon Footprint and equally Water Footprint is crucial and then providing sustainable solutions is critical. I was surprised that we may be the only group amplifying the need for the Water Stress & Water Footprint solutions. More needed for highlighting the issues to address the concerns. PS. There is a typo in your cover article.
ty49mSeptember 22, 2015 4:50 am
That's alarming! Pass the foie gras please.
EhuudSeptember 22, 2015 4:21 am
Al Gore flew in on his private jet spewing more carbon than the average peon does in a lifetime.
Owen Parker Jr.September 22, 2015 4:11 am
Do not miss the last line. Good thing we have newspapers to report information we would not have known if it weren't for them. The Washington Post: The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable. * * * * * * * * * I must apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post –almost 93 years ago.
dalSeptember 22, 2015 3:04 am
Oh Yeah, We could get hit by and asteroid also but wait, Maybe not.
Jasmine LindrosSeptember 22, 2015 1:08 am
You have that exactly backwards, Flyoverman. "Deniers" are denying the scientific evidence right in their face. Deniers don't have a valid premise, and they lack the discipline and rigor - and, quite frankly, the repeatability - that real science requires. If they had evidence they would be "contrarians," but since they lack evidence all they can do is deny actual evidence which contradicts their misconceptions. This is not science, Flyoverman, this is somewhere between deliberate ignorance and self-delusion.
Jasmine LindrosSeptember 22, 2015 1:02 am
1998 was a HUGE El Nino year, and 2015 is looking like a big El Nino year also. That means in 2016, when temperatures are below the 2015 spike, deniers will say "HEY NO GLOBLA WARMZ LOLZ DUDE NO WAYZ" and they will be just as wrong as they have been since 1998.
EhuudSeptember 21, 2015 10:26 pm
Not to worry. The "scientists" have a daily "The sky is falling" story. When the sky falls, it will cover all of the impending disasters that cause global warming.
Climate HomeSeptember 21, 2015 11:01 am
Good question. Not as yet but we will set one up shortly - ed
Alyssa BurginSeptember 20, 2015 3:37 pm
Oh, yeah, because scientists are some of the wealthiest people in America! They're the ones you see buying the big mansions, running around in rare Porsches, sailing their yachts. Are you out of your freaking mind? You really believe that scientists are raking off fortunes from their research? Get out of your Fox-News cave and go meet some scientists--I think you will quickly be stripped of your false assumptions. And your "sun" theories--those belong in an ancient past when we worshipped the sun, but they have absolutely nothing to do with weather or climate.
TSSeptember 20, 2015 1:06 pm
Is there anywhere we can read the case?
Gadfly2015September 20, 2015 6:06 am
Is it possible to turn a third world country into a fourth world country?
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 9:08 pm
No it does not. And if you came up for air, you'd realize that it is your Denialist movement that is the one blinded by ideology (classic high Right Wing Authoritarianism born under the Bush Administration). Your critical thinking skills are atrocious.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 9:05 pm
Spoken like a true high Right Wing Authoritarian follower. You are the one being fleeced by your RWA Denialist movement.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 9:01 pm
Could you get it right if you were actually trying to understand the science? All subtlety is lost on you Right Wing Authoritarians. Go look up Right Wing Authoritarianism and gain some insight into your movement and your personality (there's a test). The "hiatus" mentioned in the IPCC's 5th assessment was an acknowledgement of what _appeared_ to be a slowdown in the _rate_ of warming (specifically global mean _surface_ temperature). Now what _appeared_ to be happening to the _rate_ of surface temperature rise (note that science still understood temperatures to be rising) was not what it appeared to be, due to the use of a statistical method that was not the best tool for the analysis. When you understand that Greenhouse Gas Theory is fact, and accept that CO2 is a Greenhouse Gas, and that humans are pumping gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year, you have a baseline understanding of what's at play. This is how science works. You should expect warming based on well understood physics. If you do not observe the predicted and expected warming, than something else needs to explain an opposite forcing, or cooling affect, and it is not the Sun, it is either the measurements themselves (not the case here), or the data analysis methods.This new research speaks to the latter.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 8:39 pm
Wrong on every single point you attempted to make. But thanks for sharing your Right Wing Authoritarian propaganda here. And nice projection there.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 8:31 pm
Stop trying to second guess the science, your movement is awful at it. If you follow the actual science, instead of trying to be an armchair scientist yourself, you might actually learn something. But what you and your fellow Deniers do, is start from a conclusion and work backwards from there. This is not what science does, despite you trying to project your movement's behavior on to them. Global Warming is causing Global Climate Change. This means that weather patterns are changing. One of these patterns is increased polar winds at the poles that appears to be pushing sea ice, exposing more sea surface to the freezing winds, and creating more sea ice. Despite the ocean temperatures being warmer from Global Warming. Go read what actual scientists think about this phenomenon and stop jumping to conclusions that simply are not correct.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 8:23 pm
Exactly. Right Wing Authoritarian climate deniers will hopefully have their seditious behavior to answer for someday. They are putting humanity in grave danger.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 8:20 pm
Reread the article. They were talking about ocean buoys. Not "standard ways of measuring global temperature". You are not qualified to speak on what is or isn't science, especially because you are simply parroting an ideological agenda and not intellectually curious in the least bit. Go study up on Right Wing Authoritarianism and you'll learn why your movement is not inclined to science.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 8:15 pm
Where are you reading this? Do you have a scientific source?
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 8:14 pm
Citations? No climate scientist I am aware of speaks to a hiatus in global warming. What we have seen is a _slowdown_ in the rate of warming for mean surface temperatures and this is now believed to be the result of sequestration in the deep oceans. However, taking short time series with arbitrary end points is not scientific. As these sinks warm, their ability to sequester heat will diminish and while they will always lag surface temperatures they will put bounds on lower surface temperatures globally.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 8:06 pm
No, that's not what they are doing. If you were a competent mathematician, you could go read their research and verify their methods for yourself. But you aren't and you won't, but that won't stop you from repeating Right Wing propaganda memes online will it?
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 8:03 pm
You clearly are not a scientist and refuse to educate yourself on the science. Yet feel you should weigh in on a field of study that is well beyond your capabilities. You and your fellow Deniers are excellent examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect at play. If you are trying to refute that CO2 is a Greenhouse Gas or deny Greenhouse Gas theory there's not much anyone can do to help you or your ideological fellow travellers in disabusing yourselves of your prejudiced ignorance..
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 7:54 pm
You are wrong. And since when does one "news" story signify anything without sources? If you had been paying attention to the science, you would know that there never was a pause in the long-term trend. Look up random walk, if you do not understand why cherry picking time series is a bad idea. And also note that a lot of heat is being stored in our oceans.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 7:46 pm
You are misinformed. If you are seriously curious about climate science and how we know humans are the cause of Global Warming, you could easily educate yourself on the subject. Start with Greenhouse Gas Theory and slowly work your way through what is an enormous body of science. Then learn about carbon isotopes and how we isolated those found in fossil fuels from other sources and found the smoking gun that directly implicated humans as the source of all the additional carbon now in our atmosphere and continuing to accumulate there. Then read up on how we know the warming we are seeing is not the Sun. Etc. Best of luck on your journey out from under the Right Wing Authoritarian Denier propaganda.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 7:34 pm
If you understand greenhouse gas theory, then you understand that given human greenhouse gas emissions the Earth's global temperature should be expected to rise. If for some reason warming appears to not be observed, you have to find a forcing that is actually cooling the planet or double check your measurements and data analysis methods. The long term temperature rise is obvious and irrefutable, going back to 1910. It's when deniers cherry pick arbitrary and short time series on the chart, and attempt to declare trends, that we have problems. That's where statistics comes in... And now these scientists, using better statistical analysis than previously used, have shown the trend at much smaller scale. This blows away Deniers pseudo rationale/fig leaf that was just an excuse to continue business as usual. Ideology doesn't make for good science.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 7:20 pm
You are completely misinformed by right wing propaganda, if you think the Sun is the prime mover in the global warming we are seeing. Scientists are not as intellectually challenged, biased, and uninformed as you.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 7:16 pm
Let me guess, you have no idea what you're talking about, but you thought you'd bang your Right Wing Authoritarian drum anyway.
feralcameroSeptember 19, 2015 7:14 pm
We don't need statistics for this. The long term record speaks for itself. If you want to look at short periods like a decade, which Deniers wanted to do, then you need statistics. Deniers never had a chance at being correct, because they don't do science and never had an explanation for greenhouse gas emissions and the warming they cause.
Pod UserSeptember 19, 2015 5:26 pm
Is there an RSS feed for this podcast - or some other way to find it through itunes & similar podcasting software?
Gary BruceSeptember 19, 2015 1:42 pm
You first. Stop driving a car. Stop flying anywhere. Turn off your electricity, water and gas. Let me know how that works out for you.
Gary BruceSeptember 19, 2015 1:40 pm
Sit on our hands. It costs less.
Gary BruceSeptember 19, 2015 1:39 pm
I refer to all the posts in all the previous non-stories about climate change (global warming). Very few people believe these stories anymore.
FlyovermanSeptember 19, 2015 3:35 am
There are no deniers in science, Non-sientists use the term "denier" when they are unable to prove their premise within the framework of the scientific method. Anyone who uses he terms "denier" and "consensus" has no real grasp of the discipline required in scientific research.
Jonathan BakerSeptember 19, 2015 2:43 am
So...how do you know about the Ice Age and the Cretaceous? Perhaps you read the results of a scientific study? :) Sounds to me you're just peeved that reality doesn't accord to your preconceived notion about warming over the past 20 years. Every geological thermometer says it has warmed significantly, and now you have to adjust to a life of admitting you were wrong. I know it's hard, but you can work through it!
Jonathan BakerSeptember 19, 2015 2:39 am
Spoken like someone who's never had to collect scientific data in their life! How exactly do you think we measure global temperature without statistical algorithms and bias corrections? It's not like checking the oil in your car!
Jonathan BakerSeptember 19, 2015 2:37 am
Hah! Can you tell me where to find some of this money? I make less than half as much as my friends working in oil/gas, because I am researching and teaching climate change. "There is no money in proving Global Warming is natural." Actually, we make the same meager salaries for trying to prove either hypothesis. ;) "This is the third time in the last 2,000 years it has happened." No, it's not, because those prior periods weren't nearly as warm as the modern decades. Haven't you read...? "The Sun in about 15 years will be starting a new cycle. It will be reducing the amount of energy given off." Actually, that happened almost 15 years ago, and it's not getting any cooler... I would encourage you to take my course on the basics of climate science, but I'm not sure you'd do too well. You're already failing..
svedeSeptember 19, 2015 2:32 am
No you lose your job and go live in a cave to accomplish almost nothing. President Obama's proposals which will greatly impact the low and middle class (and mean almost nothing to the rich) are calculated to give a 0.02C reduction in projected increases. . . that's if they even figured that right. The hysteria of disaster drives this when there really hasn't been as great of a problem as the problem the warmists are going to create in society.
RandySeptember 19, 2015 2:31 am
You can't draw trend lines on the weather any more than you can extrapolate trend lines indefinitely on the stock market. Why don't we go back and look at the trend line on this graph from 1880-1910! By that measure, we should be at about -60 degrees by now! Anyway, these people are the same ones who attempted to explain the reversal of their own temperature readings, produced by models to begin with, by saying we were just in a brief hiatus. That was THEIR excuse, not global warming skeptic's. So now they go back in history, change their own temperature readings, modify results of their own research, and declare that the seas are going to rise 200 feet, and at the same time the seas will boil, coastal cities will be under water and at the same time we will be suffering from terrible droughts, crops will burn and at the same time floods will cover the heartland. Frankly, I think they need a few new fiction writers.
D. SelfSeptember 19, 2015 2:22 am
It took them how many years to figure this out? So for the past how many years it was hiatus and now just before the Paris crime summit, Oops we were wrong and our new method says something opposite. Screw off government funded science criminals. The said part is all the idiots that Gruber went after will believe these a$$ wipes.
jcfractalSeptember 19, 2015 1:36 am
All Skeptics have at this point are discredited studies and a few scientist backed by the oil companies.
Waclaw Jerzy Borken-HagenSeptember 19, 2015 12:58 am
Join the club. Mine as well.
Michael HSeptember 19, 2015 12:57 am
Exactly what I stated.
Vic DanielSeptember 18, 2015 10:23 pm
Very interesting article. It left one major fact regrading Euphrates river which is the main water supply for Syria and specifically the northern rich agriculture and dry eastern dessert areas of Syria. The Syrian government has been officially submitting complaints to the UN for decades about Turkey's violation of international laws for holding much of the Euphrates water supply and building mutiple dam/reserviors to hold excess water while Syria receiving less and less of the water flowing every year. The Syrian government actually was forced to forged an alliance with Turkey in Mid/late 2006-7 for this particular reason which prompted Turkey to ease water flow and solving the issue temporarily. Aleppo's Kuayk river was bone dry for 20 years and in a month it was flowing with clean water as the Turks opened up the flow. In Aleppo, this prompted the government and business owners to demolish pathways build on top of the dried up Kuayk river to expose the river running water. But the increase in water flow of the Euphrates was the most important for water and electricity supply in Syria. So I don't think the government was not doing anything or was ignorant about the problem at hand. Many point the alliance with Turkey which included open borders/trade the main reason weapons and fighters were smuggled into Syria prior to any demonstrations that fast transitioned to a military conflict. The fact is , Syria is a small country and does not have the leverage, options to handle 5-6 drought and the UN has never been fair towards Syria on the Euphrates for political reasons. I too don't believe water supply is the main reason for the current war in Syria, but it could have played a role in the early recuitment when you have unemployed young men. This is one of the things the government of Syria in its 2011 effort for reconcilliation admitted to. They said they did not take care of country side economy as well as they did in larger cities. Their focus on major city hubs and trade created unemployment in the country side which relied on agriculture. In the past, this would not have been a a major issue in Syria, but the country's growing population from 8 million to 24-25 million in 3 decades and the high rate in the country side, it is a major issue now.The climate change is not only a Syrian issue. It is a global issue impacting every country and government. It creates fast and unplanned migration patterns unhealthy to the economy of any country. It is not only Assad who ignores it. The whole world does and continue to do so. So I hope this article is not used for political propaganda and rather as case study on impact of economy and water/electricity on nations. The US's Mid-West and California particularly with 5 years of drought is in the midst of this issue now.
Mike GSeptember 18, 2015 9:55 pm
Did the EU even make their Kyoto goals? Did they even try?
AvanStrikeSeptember 18, 2015 9:45 pm
very sad. Assad could have done a lot during his 11 years as president to make the people's lives better, but he did not. he and his circle of friends/family were more than happy to have all the water and food and money and couldn't care less how Syrians survived. They were more than happy for things to stay the way they were. Now they are suffering the consequences, along with all Syrians.
Waclaw Jerzy Borken-HagenSeptember 18, 2015 9:36 pm
Look at the damage this hysteria can cause. NERA Economic Consulting says that the Environmental Protection Agency's carbon rule for power plants alone would cost consumers $366 billion over 14 years. For all that money, we'd cut the rise in global temperature by 0.02 degrees and sea level increases by 0.01 inch. And these costs don't include restrictions that could be imposed on automobile emissions, carbon taxes, any sort of carbon-trading regime or the over-the-rainbow renewable energy programs that politics have produced. The better path is to do what humans have always done — adapt.
Waclaw Jerzy Borken-HagenSeptember 18, 2015 9:20 pm
They deleted my two attempts to post a note connecting their article to an unwelcome ideology. Questionable ethics of rtcc to say the least.
eyemallSeptember 18, 2015 8:39 pm
Of course it is wrong. how else would all that government and private money to "study" global warming come flooding in.
SlindseySeptember 18, 2015 6:35 pm
Greenland Glacier Melt http://landscapesandcycles.net/shrinkingice.html “the contrast between the early and late 20th century retreat is striking. Between 1913 and 1945 the rate of retreat for the Sperry glacier was 10 times faster [due to drought] than rate of retreat since 1979. If rising CO2 has been the driver of recent melting, we would expect an increasingly faster rate of retreat, not slower!” Those of us you call "deniers" have. We've actually read the research instead of gazing at abstracts or trusting outright what some news article says about some new paper or some press release. If you actually dig down into the research you begin to see sciencey things that aren't in the abstract: the high levels of uncertainty, the reliance on model and on models based on the models, etc. Once this trend is noticed and established, you realize the uncertainty of their 2-4c/doubling has a crazy high uncertainty of +/-1 That means the doubling could be anywhere from 1-5 and in reality is probably closer to one due to pause even while CO2 emissions have continued to rise. Finally, we actually do the calculation of Antarctic glacier melt rate: 30,000,000 km^3/130 gT/yr (1 gigaton = 1 km^3) and come out with 230,000 years. Even if it doubled (it hasn't and the linear trend is unlikely to change) that's still 115,000 years....so in other words, the sea level rise will continue to be slow and steady as it has been once most of the land glaciers receded after the end of the ice age. This all comes together to show just how absurd the notion of Anthropogenic Global Warm...er..change..er...weird...er...disruption. We have some affect, but currently it's quantifiable and it's quite likely to be very, very small
SlindseySeptember 18, 2015 6:31 pm
Hmmm let me summarize.. We changed the algorithms and made 1+1 to equal 5 so we have proved that there was no pause.. Never mind that even agencies that are pro AGW said and have shown there is and it still continues so....... It is amazing I still find the "Pause" deniers.. This is just ONE of the reasons that Americans and quite frankly the rest of the World is turning away from the AGW arguments. If you cannot admit to yourself that it is occurring while the Scientist of AGW do so…. then you are losing the debate. If you accuse us of denying Science while denying Science yourself this only proves that the AGW argument is biased and flawed. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10310712/Top-climate-scientists-admit-global-warming-forecasts-were-wrong.html http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/08/06/nasa-climate-scientist-explains-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/ http://iceagenow.info/2014/10/top-u-n-climate-scientist-global-warming-pause-30-years/ Now please go ahead DENY the “Pause” is happening… that the above links are in some way biased or that some out of context statement contained within debunks the story. After all this is what you guys do.
RiveratSeptember 18, 2015 6:16 pm
Wasn't 1998 an El Nino year also?
RiveratSeptember 18, 2015 6:13 pm
What was that big jump in the 1940's?? WW2? and the decline after?-Atomic testing??
FroddoislostSeptember 18, 2015 6:05 pm
The antarctic ice mass has actually increased. The much touted 'impending collapse' not withstanding, the mass of the antarctic land ice sheet, as well as the mass of the sea ice that surrounds Antarctica, have both increased in the last decade. Worldwide, glaciers have pretty well stopped shrinking, as did Arctic sea ice within the last 6 years. Land based hi-temp records were out numbered by record lows over the last 7 or 8 years, and this analysis, which is almost six months old now, is nothing more than an adjustment to current, accurate satellite sea surface temps, based on old and inaccurate historical temperatures, largely taken from ships. No scientist seems to want to discuss this fact. This is shoddy. Very shoddy work which doesn't even remotely qualify as science, since the people conducting the study knew what they wished to find before they began collecting the data. They can make absolutely no claim to impartiality. Science is objective, impartial and is never settled.
SkyHunterSeptember 18, 2015 6:05 pm
This is not the final word. This is a far more robust analysis than previously, but the raw data still exists, I doubt this will be the last analysis.
SkyHunterSeptember 18, 2015 6:03 pm
Your statement is first order evidence of your personal ignorance.
Elizabeth_ErwinSeptember 18, 2015 4:51 pm
This is ridiculous. So we are to buy that legitimate scientific procedures would result in scientists adjusting the most recent temperature measures using the MOST advanced measuring devices instead of adjusting for the LEAST advanced temperature measures of earlier periods. Each "study" that comes out by the climatistas requires more and more data doctoring and more and more hypothetical "theories".
KeithSeptember 18, 2015 4:10 pm
This is by no means the first time this has ever happened and it certainly will not be the last. Get a grip and realize this is not about protecting mother earth. This is just as Obamacare, a means to have control over people and redistribute their wealth. How many times does the UN have to make that statement for you people to get it.
David RiceSeptember 18, 2015 4:00 pm
"I wish I could see the real truth." What's stooping you from doing so? Read the IPCC's AR5, WG1 reports.
DanFromMVSeptember 18, 2015 4:00 pm
1998 was a big El Nino year. We *should* see another outlier spike high in 2016 as El Nino hits full force. If not, then what?
David RiceSeptember 18, 2015 4:00 pm
"There is no money in proving Global Warming is natural." http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/documents/LskyetalPsychScienceinPressClimateConspiracy.pdf
David RiceSeptember 18, 2015 3:59 pm
"The global warming hiatus idea was ridiculous to begin with." Of course. The laws of physics don't just magically stop working, or change. No scientists thought there was a "hiatus."
David RiceSeptember 18, 2015 3:58 pm
"If the present is not getting warmer...." ... which is is.
David RiceSeptember 18, 2015 3:58 pm
"Sceptics?" Huh? Oh, you mean deniers. Us sceptics were all convinced by the evidence decades ago.
DanFromMVSeptember 18, 2015 3:56 pm
I'd like to hear a compelling, IPCC-backed explanation for that cooling period (1940 - 1950). To what is it attributed?
DanFromMVSeptember 18, 2015 3:54 pm
What is the average of the following numbers: 7, 9, 11 The average is (7 + 9 + 11) / 3 = 9 That is a statistic. It can show only one thing. Now, if you diddle with the raw numbers, then you can affect the outcome.
SnglRichSeptember 18, 2015 3:31 pm
Thank God! Now we can all panic with certainty.
Gordon L. ScottSeptember 18, 2015 3:02 pm
This new conclusion is based on new "adjustments" to historical data! If the present is not getting warmer, then make the past colder!!
Dan ESeptember 18, 2015 2:57 pm
When you tamper with the database, you always have the answer you want.
NickSeptember 18, 2015 2:53 pm
fits in well with what's going on and what's been predicted for decades; global warming continues unabated; what was 95% certain is now even higher in certainty, with every passing year; is this the wake-up call, or do we sit on our hands?
Hedley LamarSeptember 18, 2015 2:45 pm
All the data has been fiddled so now there's nothing left to discuss.
Randy RobertsonSeptember 18, 2015 2:25 pm
Just give it time. If global warming is so real then we shouldn't need statistical analysis to say so. Statistics can show whatever you want.
Utes1September 18, 2015 2:07 pm
"In contrast, the new strategy is similar to stringing the marbles together before placing them into the jar." Cherrypicking and setting up the data to obtain a pre-determined outcome.
BillSeptember 18, 2015 1:50 pm
The global warming hiatus idea was ridiculous to begin with. Throughout this entire time glaciers have been shrinking and the ice caps have lost ice mass. Heat records have been broken across the world and weather patterns have changed that matched the predictions of climate models. It was nothing more than an excuse to put off taking the action that everyone with a sound mind knows is coming eventualy. And I'm not talking about a carbon tax. I'm talking about a worldwide effort to transition off of fostil fules.
Ray DziadzioSeptember 18, 2015 1:46 pm
Follow the money. There is no money in proving Global Warming is natural. These people wouldn't be employed very long. This is the third time in the last 2,000 years it has happened. The first during the Roman Empire the second time from about 900 AD to the early 1300's then the Little Ice Age from that same 1300's to the middle of the 1800's around the 1850's. The leading Solar Astronomers of today have made a prediction based on science. The Sun in about 15 years will be starting a new cycle. It will be reducing the amount of energy given off. The reduction of energy might cause a new era of Ice Ages. They know a little more about the Sun then Bill Nye the Science Guy.
James CollinsSeptember 18, 2015 1:00 pm
I wish I could see the real truth. One group says that the earth has been warming since the beginning of the 1800's (since the Industrial Revolution), now this graph shows that there was no gain from the 1880's-1940's (they actually went lower). It looks like there are scientists and researchers that will crunch the data, to show what ever theory they believe in (or who ever is giving them funding), whether it's the oil companies, liberals or conservatives.
Jon CarpenterSeptember 18, 2015 12:54 pm
“By using both datasets, nobody can claim that we made up a new statistical technique in order to get a certain result,” said Bala Rajaratnam, an assistant professor of statistics and of Earth system science. - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/09/17/global-warming-hiatus-trashed-by-new-study/#sthash.owuD81iV.dpuf “By using both datasets, nobody can claim that we made up a new statistical technique in order to get a certain result,” said Bala Rajaratnam, an assistant professor of statistics and of Earth system science. - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/09/17/global-warming-hiatus-trashed-by-new-study/#sthash.owuD81iV.dpuf
SteveSeptember 18, 2015 12:48 pm
Another "so what". Why is anything to do with the climate changing so shocking to anyone. It has changed many many times over the past 4 billions years. No one can prove mankind is causing the change. We have been coming out of an ice age for over 2 million years now so there should be every expectation the planet will continue to warm until it's own climate control system decides to cool down. It has done this many times. The planet has had many more years of no ice than it has had ice. And yet the melting at the poles or glaciers or whatever is somehow shocking to people. It would be extremely helpful if people would educate themselves on the geology of the planet. I don't think any of what is happening would be so shocking. Instead of spending time and money on pretending we can change the climate, we should be spending time and money figuring out how to deal with it.
MARKL67September 18, 2015 12:23 pm
Ohhh, the latest "corrected" analysis....I see. Just 2 days ago, there was a news article trying to explain the pause. If you want the actual data, Google RSS (satellite) data, which show no warming trend in over 18 years. And, if rising co2 and/or fossil fuels were a cause of warming, there would be no pause. AGW is a lie.
skoonySeptember 18, 2015 12:22 pm
Meanwhile at the South Pole. -76F. http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/NZSP.html
BillHarrySeptember 18, 2015 11:25 am
Clearly the forecasts are right. It is only the observations that are wrong.
StanleySeptember 18, 2015 8:48 am
If I recall it was decided a while ago that atmospheric pressure controls the temperature of the planet just like a pool. In order to heat water above its vapor pressure temp it takes one heck of a lot of energy. IE the humidity controls the temperature of the planet not the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. If you don't think its cooler than it was in the 90's there is something wrong with you.The last few words of the article sum things up nicely. "the recent period does not stand out as being abnormal."
M_NSeptember 18, 2015 6:44 am
I don't need "advanced statistical methods" to look at 18 years of satellite data and see zero trend. These guy are just torturing the data until it says what they want it to say.
DMNSeptember 18, 2015 5:11 am
So the hiatus never happened just as the papers pile up that tell us that the oceans show signs that it is coming at an end. Interesting to see that something that never happened is about to end.
Earl DeckerSeptember 18, 2015 5:10 am
Don't 'these dumb researchers and journalists read the scientific articles that most all the climatologists around the world have been writing about that the past 15-18 years the temperature has been in a hiatus. Contact England's climate experts at the Met Office and argue the point. At least they are honest and admit there was a slowdown and now expect the global temperatures will again rise. Hardly takes an expert to make that assessment as another El-Nino is occurring.
Gadfly2015September 18, 2015 3:41 am
Sure it is. And the Ice Age never happened, the Cretaceous never happened, the Big Bang never happened, people never happened ... amazing how you can blot out history with a "study". Meanwhile in the REAL world, there's been no net warming in 20 years.
palosparkbobSeptember 18, 2015 3:40 am
So, for 15 years all these Stanford "geniuses" didn't take issue with the pause, and NOW, all of a sudden, they come up with a methodology that shows the standard way of measuring global temperatures is "wrong"? It should also be noted that their conclusions are based not upon deterministic methods, but probabilistic ones. That means this is not "science", it's merely mathematical manipulation. The simple fact is that there is accepted methodology for assessing global temps, and that methodology showed a "pause". This team didn't like it, so they cherry picked a period to show "warming". The fact is that if you compare the "trend" slope from 1960 to 2000 and 2000 to 2014, the slope indicates large moderating of the warming mechanisms. What caused this moderation despite ever growing concentrations of CO2? that's the kind of questions SCIENTISTS would ask. That's the difference between the authors of this study and the serious, unbiased scientists.
Jasmine LindrosSeptember 18, 2015 3:17 am
There never was a hiatus. 1998 was (at the time) a statistical outlier, a wierdo, an anomaly that did not match any reasonable extrapolation of the data. Ironically, without this sudden and massive temperature spike, deniers wouldn't have anything to base their laughable "hiatus" claim on - note that the "hiatus" doesn't apply if you pick any other year in the last forty years. Unfortunately for us, temperatures of that statistical wierdo year are now commonplace, and THIS should give even deniers something to think about - "abnormally hot" seventeen years ago is cooler that this year will be.
mbee1September 18, 2015 2:53 am
Garbage in Garbage out. How do we know? In the real world Antarctic sea ice is at record highs http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/snow-and-ice/extent/sea-ice/N/11 so it is colder. The recent study on CO2 absorption by the southern seas confirms the colder. Greenland ice is going back up. colder. http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/greenland_ice_sheet.html you can see the distortion in the adjusted data here http://euanmearns.com/the-diverging-surface-thermometer-and-satellite-temperature-records/ The distortion is evidence in the claim the buoys were measuring less thanthe ships so they raised the bouys rather than lowering the ships measured temperatures. Since the ships measure from inside the ship using the intake water, Giss reduces the temperature, these guys raised the temperature to match the ships temperature.
David EckSeptember 18, 2015 2:24 am
"The least corrected data" LMAO. every correction made to the data for the last 30 years has been to make the last 20 look warmer, and the previous 100 look cooler. Looking at this new hokey chart one has to wonder why the oceans have been rising since 1870.
socalpaSeptember 18, 2015 2:24 am
Mods, why are my posts being deleted ? What are you so afraid of ?
socalpaSeptember 18, 2015 2:23 am
Another fictional reanalysis . - If the data for the hiatus is unreliable ,then so is the prior evidence for warming. - File under .. Propaganda for Paris,
David EckSeptember 18, 2015 2:22 am
The IPCC's 5th assesment uses the word hiatus 16 times in chapter 9 describing the halt in significant or statistically significant warming. Take it up with them. Show them your Nobel prize first.
WillSeptember 18, 2015 2:15 am
Teller's H-bomb worked because it did not need confining, and the fusion of hydrogen nuclei went to explosive completion in a thermonuclear reaction. Fusion technology under controlled and confined conditions should be safe; however it needs knowledge of physical and chemical thermodynamics in addition to particle physics, mathematics, chemistry, engineering, materials science etc. to work. Design of a fusion powered electricity station comprises initiation of fusion in the reactor, confinement of the hot plasma away from the walls of the reactor, and the removal of useful heat in a controlled manner with net energy gain. In an energy-reaction coordinate, A+B (reactants) equals C+D (products) where the equal sign denotes both the forward and reverse reactions in a sustained equilibrium. Slowly increasing the reactants A and B will drive the fusion reaction, and most importantly, controlled cooling of the plasma is needed for the exothermic reaction to proceed forward smoothly, once initiated. A gaseous catalyst that readily accepts some of the early stripped electrons is needed to lower the energy needed for activation (Ea) of the fusion reaction. In our Sun, there are not only hydrogen and helium gas that drives the controlled fusion process, but other elements which act as catalysts. A stream of inert gas will cool the plasma, thereby sustaining a controlled fusion reaction, plus remove heat in an exchanger for electricity generation. Electricity generation with fusion of hydrogen nuclei is highly complicated, but humans will achieve it someday for bountiful energy; perhaps within the next 30 years if we can get global warming under control. The long-term future of humanity depends on achieving fusion power.
jerrySeptember 18, 2015 2:00 am
Yep you change the method of how you measure the temperature then you retro back and Walla you get the results you want to continue the fleecing Americans of tax dollars to continue BS research to line their pockets. After all they have to retire on the global change right? Global Climate change has always happened on our planet long before humans even evolved on this planet. So please stop our politicians from taking money and freedom from you to fix something that we have no control over.
David LewisSeptember 18, 2015 1:50 am
The pause in warming significantly undermines the political agenda of the warming activists. They have come up with 66 excuses, this makes 67. The fact that there are so many excuses shows that no one of them is adequate. If you look at their chart notice that they have cheery picked their starting point at 1950 rather than 1941. If one searches though enough data and manipulates it any view point can be supported. I’m going with the raw unprocessed satellite data that show we do have a pause. In addition, even the U.N. IPCC acknowledges that there has been a pause in warming. The authors claim they didn’t design the study to give a certain result. Their timing implies otherwise. This is just in advance of the Paris conference on climate change.
Solar ProSeptember 18, 2015 1:48 am
The headline grabs your attention because an oil exec appears to be promoting solar as the future of energy, but the sub-text says something different. I remember taking a tour of Shell's solar manufacturing facility in 2004. Afterwards the then V.P of Shell's Solar Division gave a presentation. In his speech, he said "Currently, only 2% of Shell's revenue comes from solar, but we are committed to increasing that to 20% by the year 2015". Within a year of that event, two things changed. The price of oil skyrocketed overnight from $40/barrel to upwards of $75/barrel and Shell sold off all of there solar division assets. Before anyone invests in Shell as a green energy company, think twice based on the companies' track record.
PGrossjrSeptember 18, 2015 1:20 am
"dodgy" statistics? That's the only kind we have seen in this farce. Why did it take 15 years to uncover the problem? This just points out how hard it it to model climate data and why it should be taken with a large grain of salt
amateur supportSeptember 18, 2015 1:15 am
i thought the science had already been settled.
Edward J WoodSeptember 18, 2015 12:57 am
They failed to predict it, they couldn't explain it, they tried to tell us exactly how long it would last and what would happen afterwards, and now they're saying it never happened at all. The warming hiatus is starting to sound like a bad monster movie: they shoot it with silver bullets, put a stake through its heart, chop its head off, and burn it - but it won't stay dead!
MarainSeptember 18, 2015 12:54 am
15 years is not long enough to make an accurate distinction between global climate and temperature trends. 15 years is a blip in geological terms, and we have had many times of warming and cooling that lasted longer than that; yet here we are, and the Earth is still sustaining life just fine. I agree, though, that the "hiatus" never really existed. You can't have a "hiatus" in something that doesn't exist.
Dag JohansenSeptember 18, 2015 12:44 am
Uh . . . if Tesla is successful in significantly reducing battery costs with their Gigafactory, then we actually will seriously reduce fossil fuel usage. The electricity grid is already rapidly going renewable. But cars have been more difficult since it is hard to replace the energy dense liquid hydrocarbon fuels. But cheaper batteries will allow EVs to replace gasoline/diesel vehicles.
ectogamitSeptember 18, 2015 12:41 am
So the IPCC the lead organization on AGW is wrong? that doesn't bode well for anyone's credibility involved with AGW. in science you enter data and get a result, not find the result you want and keep trying different data till you get your planned result. And on the next downward trend are we going to hear news everyday about it? It's unequivocally obvious were being lied to.
Todd NelsonSeptember 17, 2015 11:50 pm
Any journal named "Climate Change" is neck deep in the fraud of AGW. If there is no warming, there is no reason for the journal to exist. They can't have anything but manmade global warming to write about because they would all lose there jobs if they said anything different. What do you believe, the observed raw data temperatures, including raw satellite data that shows even a cooling trend since 2005, or the people associated with a journal called "Climate Change" ? The EPA, NOAA, and NASA have been trying to cook the books for a long time, but still can't make the temperatures go up, so they had to lie to cover the fraud, and got caught. They still can't prove a connection between CO2 and temperature. They can scream and yell about one all day and all night, but can't prove one. I think I smell burning pants right about now.
perry diceSeptember 17, 2015 11:37 pm
i thought it was 18 yrs? and i thought NOAA already reconfigured their global warming formula to reflect the hockey stick model?
edlihSeptember 17, 2015 11:32 pm
So it seems climatologist can't even agree on MEASURED DATA... If they can't agree on what's supposed to be factual, how can their models, which perform functions generations removed from the data itself, produce anything more than questionable results? Their claimed warming trends have become laughable as they now have a magnitude similar to margin of error of their DIRECTLY RECORDED DATA. Does anyone remember significant digits???!!
Shay BappleSeptember 17, 2015 11:25 pm
See, the thing about scientists and theories is.. a lot of times they are wrong.
JimSeptember 17, 2015 10:43 pm
Ok, so there have been hundreds of studies that have not been proven correct, but this one is since it fits the GW narrative. Got it
Michael HSeptember 17, 2015 10:28 pm
A week or so ago, Reuters ran a story stating that the 15 year hiatus is now showing signs of coming to an end. So answer this, which is it, no hiatus or the hiatus is ending? Why is the story always changing in major ways? Why is a tax increase always the answer? Please tell me as I have no idea.
bseriusSeptember 17, 2015 10:22 pm
"Trashed " ??! B effing S These Stanford guys get their $$$$ from grants , Liberal Academia , The Warm Monger Fossil Phobes still want to tax the Bejeebus out of us ,,,
TheoSeptember 17, 2015 10:18 pm
So, the IPCC lied. Okay.
NeilSeptember 17, 2015 7:45 pm
CCS is not, and should not be considered as. a viable option
NeilSeptember 17, 2015 7:34 pm
Why not just go vegan, it's easier
NeilSeptember 17, 2015 7:26 pm
CCS is not, and shouldn't be thought of as, a viable option
Paul RizzoSeptember 17, 2015 4:40 pm
So apparently the Shell CEO was listening to Obama when he said "it does not make sense that some of the biggest oil companies who are so good at what they are not owning the solar market right now".
Randy RobertsonSeptember 17, 2015 3:49 pm
I would say the fear of terrorism will affect tourism infinitely more than "climate change". And Tunisia wants others to foot the entire bill. Anyone not see where this global climate change scam is heading? BTW there won't be any more Roman ruins to see if the Islamists get in charge so there goes your tourism industry.
MASeptember 17, 2015 12:14 pm
A cost of 1% GDP is 100% to expensive. I'm thinking more like $5.00 spread over the entire U.S. population over 25 years. I think we can afford to waste that amount of money on this scam.
AussieSeptember 17, 2015 11:52 am
The Paris Meeting of Nations in 2015 could turn into another policy disappointment like Copenhagen 2009 if we are not careful. We lost 6 years there! Question... what do you do with a bundle of wool knotted up by your pet cat? Answer... throw it away and start with a new one ( a bundle of wool). The KISS principle seldom fails and is needed here. Accept all the INDCs put forward by Nations, and call on official delegate of each Nation for a show of hands for those "agreeing" on a global carbon tax, and those "against". Those against can wait till 2020 or earlier, and those agreeing a global carbon tax can commence after the Paris Meeting.
Allan BarrSeptember 17, 2015 11:09 am
Well written article, thank you. However its not going to be as orderly as one would hope at this last stage of our self extinction, unfortunately. Lets do simple math, and see how the numbers work out. At 5% growth carbon burning in 12 to 14 years from now we will have doubled everything ever burnt from 1750 till today. DOUBLED. Methane clathrates are emitting out of control in the ESAS, NOW. I came up with a simple to use gauge of methane in the air. red/orange plus blue = purple. Have you not noticed the unusual number of photos worldwide with purple in them? That's methane. https://www.facebook.com/groups/Ilovelife2/
alex7070September 17, 2015 8:03 am
The idea that anything short of full reversal and repair at this point is not sustainable. We literally have to start managing the GHG cycle worldwide locking up as much CO2 and methane as possible and reforesting as much land as possible. Ideas and actions so far amount to nothing better than slowing down our hugely damaging activities. The current world government and commercial structure are in no way up to this transformation. Too little too late simply means an unspeakable disaster that cannot be priced in any way - not in the trillions, that is.
Ian CampbellSeptember 17, 2015 7:08 am
I would suggest that we use the term “dictatorship” for “power over”, and the term “democracy” for “power with”. In most western “democracies”, we don’t have “power with” i.e. we don’t have true democracy - citizens are given a very limited choice of two dictatorships i.e. the two main political parties. This is how it is in the UK. The parties say and do what they feel they need to say and do in order to get into power, and then when in power they say and do whatever they feel that they can get away with - including breaking commitments, distorting facts, outright lying, favouring particular groups such as their donors or supporters, and making decisions in secret. This is not democracy. At 800 years since Magna Carta, when an agreement was made putting limits on the power of King John and the way in which that power was exercised, it is time for #MagnaCarta2 - a statement drawn up by citizens saying what limits they will set on the way decisions are made. On my list, I would include - decision-makers are servants of the people - not their masters - decisions are evidence-based, not arrogance-based, ignorance-based or corruption-based - decision are made openly, with the evidence used being shared and clearly explained - with an end to secret lobbying - if someone has something to contribute, we should all hear it - genuine consultation should take place on major decisions, with a willingness to improve draft plans in accord with the responses received We should make clear that decision-makers who go beyond the set limits are no longer acting with public support or consent, that any taxes levied are not legitimate, and that the individuals involved are not democratic politicians but merely thugs in suits - their egos are probably their greatest vulnerability.
WestCoastPolackSeptember 15, 2015 8:14 pm
As a citizen of one of the cities mentioned, I just gotta say "Bravo!"
WillSeptember 15, 2015 7:06 pm
As urgency to act on rapidly accumulating CO2 emissions and resulting climate change is now acknowledged by all nations attending COP 21 in Paris, implementation of the 2015 Paris Agreement should be entered into force immediately if possible, or by early 2016 at the latest. Five crucial years of integrated global climate action will be lost waiting for implementation of the Paris Agreement in 2020. Why wait five years when global agreement has been signed in 2015? Time lost might be impossible to recover later.
NickSeptember 15, 2015 5:31 pm
The biggest emitters need to be the leaders in scaling back carbon dioxide production, so this is a welcome development. However, talk is one thing and action is another entirely. If mitigation efforts result in lower economic growth, then all bets are off.
Glen WurdenSeptember 15, 2015 4:36 pm
It's true. Tokamaks are a disruptive technology....but not in the good sense of the word. Disruptions in tokamaks are the Achilles Heel of this approach to fusion. A 100% solution to the disruption problem still is not in hand. Without that, a future toakamak reactor is doomed to destroy itself with its own energy and forces.
Sabe_MoyaSeptember 15, 2015 3:42 pm
Who could ever have dreamed that Argentina would be putting out false and misleading data?
NickSeptember 15, 2015 2:59 pm
Science is all about guessing. That's never going to change, so get used to it. If you've got something better, then by all means, tell us.
Jürg StaudenmannSeptember 15, 2015 12:36 pm
Speaking out fo my heart! It seems a humankind issue that we rather focus on far-end technology challenges, instead of harvesting / optimizing "simple" solutions we already have at hand...
Darragh ConwaySeptember 15, 2015 11:35 am
Interesting and useful. Still, the suggestion to shift to chicken should be treated with caution, since conditions in chicken factories (in terms of both animal welfare and sanitation) are generally known to be the worst of all animal production factories. It may be better for the climate, but at what other costs.
John Saint-SmithSeptember 14, 2015 11:50 pm
It remains to be seen whether Turnbull is a real 'champion of climate change mitigation' or just a 'man for all seasons' who changes his 'beliefs' to suit the political climate. He is on record repudiating the very policy he embraced in his last stint as leader of the Liberal Party in opposition. Despite the fact that no-one in Australia with any understanding of the global climate change dilemma believes that Environment Minister Greg Hunt's 'Direct Action Scheme' - which tries to offset emissions by paying for sequestration programs, but does nothing to reduce fossil fuel mining or consumption, or encourage renewable energy generation - will work. But Turnbull has already announced that he won't change it. Perhaps a change of government will finally get us back on track, although I'm not confident that the Labor leader, Bill Shorten will fight the fossil fuel lobby in government either.
JasonSeptember 14, 2015 8:39 pm
Oh ok. Is that what's happening? Cool.. thanks. Thank God for the oceans or we'd be melting right now.
Randy RobertsonSeptember 14, 2015 8:20 pm
The last sentence says it all. " Our statistical model is not able to predict future development"!!! They are all just guessing and poorly at that.
William WhiteCrowSeptember 14, 2015 7:06 pm
I many ways this is good and bad. We are happy that its working again but the facts are because of this our oceans will be accumulation more CO2 which will allow our oceans to warm quicker and acidify quicker as well. The science is in that already proves this. So in the long run our oceans are screwed if you know anything about the real science behind this. The planet is going through changes right now we are not going to stop any time soon. Like in the next 200 years or so maybe longer. Get ready to adapt and improvise.
BuddyGCSeptember 14, 2015 6:59 pm
"but scientists can’t say why or whether it will last" “Our statistical model is not able to predict the future development, so it is critical that we continue measuring the surface ocean CO2 concentrations in the Southern Ocean,” - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/09/14/southern-ocean-begins-to-absorb-carbon-again/#sthash.xN6ejtkk.dpuf A self confessed Climate Change scientist saying the statistical models don't contain all the statistical information to properly predict the furture
socalpaSeptember 14, 2015 6:14 am
No wonder there are Zero comments . - The M word was used . - And "loss and damage" for your ancestors emissions. - Wait till Europe gets a few more harsh winters .The AMO has flipped to negative .The PMO is already negative. - This is DOA in U.S. Congress!
alex7070September 11, 2015 8:59 pm
That is 50 times longer than it will really take just on the course we are on now and half the height without thermal expansion. It’s okay though since we will not survive the shear heat, methane overtake of the atmosphere, and near continuous rioting as the entire world becomes migrants.
one percenterSeptember 11, 2015 4:09 pm
Look at what a tiny percentage adoption of solar power does to utilities. Likewise it only takes a small number electric cars to stabilize oil prices. Governments are so heavily invested in oil and energy markets they would be bankrupted by something that completely disrupts those industries. Hence why water engine inventors get taken out and fusion is always just a few years off.
simon BenjaminSeptember 11, 2015 3:02 pm
Growing your own fruit and veg will have a good impact on your CO2 lifestyle. Its fun and the food is tastier too.
Erik Van LennepSeptember 10, 2015 3:26 pm
*sigh*. More of the "same old". From all angles. Fighting over the positioning of deck chairs whilst the Titanic sinks. It's too easy to moan and scream about PC-ness, again from either camp. Lately the concept of being PC has been trotted out as a daft knee-jerk politically based attitude. Let's just call it "sensitivity" instead, and see if we can't progress a few steps. It's also too easy to complain about lack of representation as if it could be solved by a quota system. Again, can we not apply some thought and sensitivity to at least attempt a balancing? Quotas are lazy, formulaic solutions. We apply them when we either don't want to do the homework, or despair about reaching agreement. They deliver lowest common denominator results. About science being gender-free and apolitical: what world are you living in? Science is like history: it is written by the winners. You cannot have scientific proof unless somebody funds the tests. And funding follows political lines, especially in the USA with its privatized education systems and their corporate backing. Do you really believe that women, people of color, researchers from developing countries have equal access to research jobs and funding? Really?? And do you really believe that research topics and angles are not selected according to biases either from the researcher, the institution, or its funders? Really???? In addition, even the most "objective" researcher is subject to their own human presumptions about what might be possible. Not much research is devoted to topics considered impossibilities. Yet the life experience of women, different generations, people of color, Indigenous cultures, and developing nations shapes their understanding of how the world works, and in that way, what might be possible mechanisms for investigation. So yes, we need a far better balancing of perspectives on a board loaded by northern, male scientists with their incestuous political affiliations. Let's expand that: northern, white, male, older, politically embedded scientists. At the same time, the clock is ticking, and getting breathtakingly close to midnight. We cannot delay any longer in our response (especially when almost everything proposed to fend off the worst impacts of CC are very positive changes for the world anyway). We cannot afford to use a lack of diversity as an excuse for non-action. The numbers are in. The data have been correlated. The implications are clear for those willing to pay attention. Yes, let's shake out and shake up the IPCC with a healthy dose of diversity. But let's hold fast to the most essential criteria for selection on the basis of knowledge and experience while simultaneously acknowledging that experience needs to broaden. And add the ability to communicate, cooperate and get things done. A better set of filters for membership would stimulate a positive shift.
Meteor YoukolaleeSeptember 10, 2015 2:46 pm
like what?
Michael StephensSeptember 10, 2015 2:43 pm
All of this blame put on El Nino when El Nino does not create energy, it is an ocean cycle. Energy that has been building in the oceans gets released during an El Nino. So if the temperatures are in record territory, and they are, then it is not the El Nino that is causing it. Over the long term temps would level out, but they are not. They are level during La Ninas and breaking records during El Ninos, the balancing part is not occuring. Yes Sam, weather and climate change due to Global Warming is not uniform. But hot records are beating cold ones 3 to 1 during the day and 5 to 1 at night. Sea levels are rising, the cryosphere is melting, the ocean is warming and acidifying and extreme weather is happening 5 times more now than in the 70's. What is inconvenient is the amount of people that refuse to accept all of the data and evidence that matches what we would be expecting from AGW and delaying serious action for the benefit of our children and grandchildren.
Lewis BogbeagleSeptember 10, 2015 8:56 am
Only 3 ways to have someone obey your will .. Consent, Force and Fraud. That is, you can Contract with someone, voluntarily ... You can compel, using force ... or you can Deceive. Force and Fraud are crimes. Therefore, all Government, if it is not to be criminal, must be Consensual Withdraw your Consent to their Governance, en-masse ... and they will quake in their boots. This can be done without violence, without protest, without even leaving the comfort of your living room.
amrutaSeptember 10, 2015 6:23 am
nice
DonCSeptember 10, 2015 1:21 am
Might global warming add to the effectiveness and efficiency of these fusion reactors?
George WilliamsSeptember 9, 2015 11:07 pm
In 1960 I read that fusion would be practical by 1975. It's always 15-20 years out. Sadly I doubt that I will live long enough to see it (just like any return to the Moon).
Kate in CASeptember 9, 2015 9:58 pm
This is all politically correct nonsense! SCIENCE is not affected by race, gender, or nation of origin. The problem here is that climate change is all about politics and money ...NOT science. Most of the climate change studies are not reproducible.
Ian ElliottSeptember 9, 2015 9:56 pm
What happened to BYU's cold fusion?
fusioneerSeptember 9, 2015 8:36 pm
For the last 20 years I've been a lone voice advocating a new look at the fusion process itself. I've proven that elementary charge particles that are overlapping in momentum space must and will behave opposite to the expectations of Coulomb's Law. This means that fusion does not actually work like scientists for much of the last hundred years have believed that it does. The success of Teller's design for the H-Bomb is difficult to argue with but not impossible. Processes that are occurring and that are underway in the first few microseconds after the fission igniter portion of the fusion weapon is activated actually force large numbers of fusion fuel nuclei to overlap in the same momentum space. I convinced a top nuclear weapons designer (Thomas Grissom) of this years ago. At the time he exclaimed 'Where did you get these ideas?' then ...'These are the first new ideas in physics that I've heard in 20 years.' His encouragement led me to eventually developing a rock solid proof that even Ephraim Fischbach could not break ... and his genuine excited exclamation in 2005 at his office at Purdue at my successful defense after two hours of intense grilling was: 'Wow, Charles, You're talking about brand new physics here'. Then he hastily instructed his grad student to not erase the details I had put on the chalkboard. We had discussed this off and on for ten years on the phone and over the internet before I finally met him with a definitive proof that fusion does not work like scientists have believed for scores of years. There is a reason that inertial confinement and magnetic compression schemes do not work, have never worked and never can work. Glasstone and Loveberg in 'Controlled Thermonuclear Reactions', a paper they wrote for the Atomic Energy Commission in 1960, stated: "Although energies of the order of magnitude indicated by (the) equation must be supplied to nuclei to cause them to combine fairly rapidly, experiments made with accelerated nuclei have shown that nuclear reactions can take place at detectable rates even when the energies are considerably below those corresponding to the top of the Coulomb barrier. In other words, there is no threshold energy, determined by the maximum electrostatic repulsion of the interacting nuclei, below which the fusion reaction will not occur. Such behavior, which cannot be explained by classical mechanics, can be interpreted by means of wave mechanics. It can be shown that there is a certain probability that two nuclei will combine even though they do not have sufficient energy to surmount the Coulomb barrier. This effect is commonly referred to as barrier penetration." It is also known as wave mechanical tunneling, or quantum tunneling. So, as far back as the late 1950's, fusion researchers had evidence that fusion reactions were not necessarily catalyzed by extreme temperature conditions. The quantum mechanical interpretation of fusion does not deal with discrete real states of particles but only with probabilistic states. The clues were pointing to the idea that real pair-wise relationships developed between fusion fuel nuclei that allowed them to combine and that such relationships did not require high energy collisions. The fusion community had already developed the anti-thesis concept that pair-wise relationships that involved extreme energies led to nuclear fusion reactions. The success of the H-bomb bolstered confidence in this by suggesting that fusion fuel absorbed the energy of soft x-rays, which gave them considerable kinetic energy, and that, then, led to fusion. The problem with this is that there is no clear understanding of how an atom can absorb a soft x-ray and then from that absorption somehow have that converted to kinetic energy. The closest thing we have is the Compton Effect where heavy elements obtain some recoil but such recoil does not impart sufficient kinetic energy to surmount the supposed Coulombic barrier. When an atom absorbs a photon it is not the nucleus that is aborbing it but rather electrons may be boosted to higher energy levels and since the electron is thousands of times less massive than the nucleus it gets almost all of the kinetic energy so there is no real clearly understood method by which fusion fuel nuclei can really obtain as much energy as would be needed if the proposed mechanism of collisional fusion were to be true. The weapons community at Los Alamos that designed the hydrogen bomb and made the hydrogen bomb work certainly would not be willing to accept the idea that their technology worked as well as it did without them understanding exactly how it worked. Consequently, when Project Sherwood, in 1951, under the auspices of the Atomic Energy Commission was given the mission of harnessing thermonuclear fusion for peaceful energy purposes even the mission bore the taint of the prejudice. The prejudice was that fusion was derived from the high thermal energies of interacting nuclei. However, when it was found that nuclei would combine in spite of their lack of relative energy, the physics community merely believed that there were at least two ways to induce fusion reactions between nuclei. The first was to slam them into each other with considerable energy and the other, well, the 'other' way took place probabilistically and was of little interest. This is where they dropped the ball. If anyone is interested in this new path to fusion that I've discovered please contact me at [email protected]
Randy RobertsonSeptember 9, 2015 8:17 pm
If this is how they are handling just the AGW reports then how well do you think the will fare in the battle against global warming itself. I have ZERO confidence in their capabilities.
JoeSeptember 9, 2015 7:51 pm
The only reason this eludes scientist, are the immense repercussions, think of it this way; 99.9% percent of the governments on the planet receive lucrative taxes from fossil fuels they tax the barrel, then the transport, entry to ports, refining, all the by products down to the production of textiles, solvents, gasoline, diesel, on and on. If this Genny is left out of the bottle, how would these governments be funded? The case of the European Union at $4.9 a liter or $18.62 a gallon of gasoline alone produces enormous revenue, so the transition to nuclear energy will not be here for at least 100 years if humanity can survive that long.
mpSeptember 9, 2015 6:27 pm
The best people should be chosen. Gender, race, and origins matter not. This just proves that this is not a scientific but political process.
frank hammondSeptember 9, 2015 5:57 pm
One huge problem for this group, they do not at all have a workable plan to save the planet. Because they approach it from the wrong angle. Fact our planet has been hotter in the far distant past than it is today. And it did it all without any help from man. It also cooled back down again without any help from man. Why does that matter today you ask? I will tell you, this panel is obsessed with this global warming is man caused and thereby they intend to simply reverse the cause and hope they get the right effect. That takes huge amounts of time to work. And in any event could not protect the planet from a natural heating event which can occur in a very short period of time. What this panel needs is a workable plan to scrub CO2 from the air in the event some natural disaster strikes and sets off a global warming event far more disastrous than what is happening today. These are scientists, it is what they do figure out new ways to do things. It is time for them to figure out a new way to scrub the CO2 from the air. We need it as a precaution in event a natural disaster hits and we need to do something rapid to save the planet. And now is the perfect time to design such a system, as we have a test bed with a long time event horizon in which to build such a project. 50 years or so. Unlike in the future when a natural disaster hits and your time horizon is maybe 5 years.
RhastafarianSeptember 9, 2015 5:50 pm
Read about NIMROD ...
methods3110September 9, 2015 5:47 pm
For God's sake, if you get this one right Britain, don't give this invention away free to the US, as you have done with virtually every other of your great inventions in the past.
Dr JSeptember 9, 2015 5:31 pm
Within 10 years - starting in 2050? If they can't do arithmetic any better than that, what chance do they have of getting fusion/
Steven ParkerSeptember 9, 2015 5:23 pm
So the IPCC is not PC. How 'bout that?
Steven ParkerSeptember 9, 2015 5:21 pm
"too northern, too male " guess they are just not PC.
wango tangoSeptember 9, 2015 5:17 pm
Mr Fusion, here we come. Anyone have any empty beer cans?
PCAHSeptember 9, 2015 5:09 pm
Why on earth would you want to recreate the sun on earth? We've already got THE SUN, it's up there, safely in the sky, just waiting for more of us to get the message that we can focus it on earth with PV sites anywhere in the world interconnected and continuously supplying very cheap electricity.
Jake R.September 9, 2015 5:08 pm
Just to be clear, scientists have already replicated the processes that power the sun on Earth. Of course it couldn't be harnessed or controlled, it was just exploded on a small island in the Pacific.
Jeremy GoffSeptember 9, 2015 5:02 pm
What are TE's proposals for fuel handling, tritium recovery, divertor technology and power plant application?
MallenSeptember 9, 2015 4:59 pm
The Sun is comprised of 90% hydrogen and 10% helium. Do you know why? Isn';t it possible that this plays into the scheme of things?
Lance1234September 9, 2015 4:56 pm
None of this has never really been about science has it. Now it is about Politically Correct Diversity counting skin colored noses and checking the distribution of genitalia. My gosh but these people are thick headed agenda driven political animals each with their own image problems. Never has been about science.
DavidSeptember 9, 2015 4:53 pm
Why does the House of Lords, or any government entity have to be engaged during development? To protect investors? To be the protectors? To protect us from bad things? Thank you, Nanny. If there's not risk of physically endangering anyone or the environment, which is the common claim with fusion and fusion research, then wish them well, advise investors of risk (if you wish), and get the hell out of the way. Of course, once a system is ready to become a public utility - then yes, regulate and tax and prohibit and govern to your heart's content.
ActtorneyatliarSeptember 9, 2015 4:48 pm
Changing its gender or geographic makeup won't make this sham of a panel any more accurate in its prognostications or its legitimacy as a non-numbers-rigging, contrary-science-suppressing "scientific" body any more scientific.
Stephen PaulsenSeptember 9, 2015 4:43 pm
They don't want to open it up because then actual scientists would be able to refute the fake AGW tripe the panel keeps regurgitating.
ppiaseckSeptember 9, 2015 4:41 pm
IPCC is not legit no matter what, they only thing they produce is scare and fear predictions, they are no different then mid-evil sorcerer and fortune tellers, they get their funding from governments mostly from the US. They might as well set up their own 1-900-fortune telling lines to get more money from those who buy their BS....
TENNENGINEERSeptember 9, 2015 4:18 pm
With a drop of safety, this is good news regarding fusion. It's taken too long to "get anywhere" and then "to get closer..." than it should have, much of the "wait" -- but not all of it of course -- as a result of corporatism and "world controllers" stark afraid that they will not be able to control, price, and feed out the resulting sooner-than-expected fusion power to the world, and other worlds and planets we as a race are reaching for.
Paul M RaupSeptember 9, 2015 4:09 pm
Science is science and facts are facts. Bias is NOT supposedly part of the equation. What ARE they afraid of ? Truth ?
James EldridgeSeptember 9, 2015 3:51 pm
its so simple, just figure out a way to mimic the condition in the center of the sun in that stainless steel half meter diameter test apparatus
DanFromMVSeptember 9, 2015 3:37 pm
It's been ten years away for 50 years now....
Sterling PenningtonSeptember 9, 2015 3:31 pm
I worked at a company doing research in nuclear fusion. A viable technology was less than a decade away. This was in 1978.
Bob MonteleoneSeptember 9, 2015 3:18 pm
I don't hold out much hope that this scheme, yet another in a long list of schemes, will work. Why is this any different than any other Tokamaks all of which have failed to break even? The main stumbling block is the abysmally low cross section for fusion reactions to occur. Only two out of many trillions of atoms will fuse at any given time yet all the many trillions must be heated and compressed which is why the input power is so great and break even so difficult to obtain. All of these articles, about one every few weeks is touting this or that lab working on fusion explaining their grandiose plans. But not one of these articles ever mentions that net power output has been achieved and that materials, costs and other requirements make it an economically viable power source. We're simply not there yet and given the history it will be another 50 years or more before we are.
D VSeptember 9, 2015 3:15 pm
"Nuclear fusion’s appeal is enduring for a reason. It could produce near-limitless energy from abundant sources. Radioactive waste is minimal, there’s no risk of proliferation, and it produces zero greenhouse gas emissions.As global temperatures continue their unrelenting climb, it could account for all our energy needs and do away with fossil fuels." You can substitute Thorium Fission for Nuclear Fusion. They both have the same appeal but Thorium Fission has already been proven. Difference is, you cant weaponize Thorium, so governments wont support it. This is also why Fusion has been lagging. During my years of experience with the TOKAMAC at Princeton Plasma Physics as the local government Radiological Accident Analyst Officer, we found that Fusion's real benefit comes from it's performance during a catastrophic failure accident. Detectable radiation st the property boundary drops to background levels as soon as the fusion reaction stops. There are no radioactive gases, particulates, or solids to drift away on a 'plume' to contaminate the countryside, drinking water, rivers, lakes, crops or farm animals. If the Fusion plant were to be physically damaged, there would be a slight release of Tritium and Deuterium (aka Heavy Water) in local environmental water samples. Health Physicists like Heavy Water as it is easily flushed from the body with a few beers. It's soft Beta emissions only do superficial damage to cellular walls before it is biologically eliminated.
Tom RadeckiSeptember 9, 2015 3:10 pm
They'll never agree and the Republican controlled Congress will never approve appropriations to cover the cost if they do agree. It's going to get much, much worse and the EU will wake up some day and defend their borders. The EU will have a hard time saving their own people from starvation and death. The U.S. is in still worse shape as we are much farther south and will suffer even more desertification. Death is charging at us, but very few people are attempting to personally become carbon neutral. It's the emissions we put into the air today that will be doing the killing later this century. COP21 shouldn't even be in Paris. It should be virtual. Our politicians need to stop flying around in airplanes. It's killing people. Of course, no one else should be flying in airplanes, using fossil fuels, eating beef or dairy, cutting down forests, having more than one child, etc. It's going to be very bad.
Karl MartellSeptember 9, 2015 3:00 pm
The energy of DT fusion is mainly expressed in a fast moving NEUTRON. It is good only for fission boosting and TUS (Teller-Ulam-Sakharov) type thermonuclear explosives. Proton-Boron-11 is much cleaner, but B is a solid and borane decomposes at operating temperatures creating "boron soot".
Karl MartellSeptember 9, 2015 2:53 pm
Nothing EVER is too cheap to meter.
Robb49September 9, 2015 2:50 pm
Park it next to the Cold Fusion generator when it's ready. It ain't so until it's SO!
seanhuntSeptember 9, 2015 2:07 pm
There are a number of companies following this path now. The reason it is now feasible to go this way is because of the development of three key technologies. New super conductors is one of them and I don't exactly remember the other two. Fusion may finally happen and it looks like it will be in an economical package. I hope I live to see the day. It looks like it should be less than 10 years.
Corporate Raider is an A holeSeptember 9, 2015 1:11 pm
lets hope that it doesnt work and kills about 95% of the earth humans, thats what this planet needs
pjbthreeSeptember 9, 2015 1:04 pm
You have to take with a grain of salt anything said by a scientist who considers himself a renegade
TiredofPlusquellicSeptember 9, 2015 12:40 pm
Why are these stories of nuclear fusion always 10 years away? They said the same thing 20 years ago.
EMFSeptember 9, 2015 12:07 pm
Ambitious yes. But that's a good thing. Everyone knows that this is the holy grail of energy production. It solves so many problems all at once it deserves the attention of every nation and every private program and should welcome all. Good luck TE. Good luck. If I had the money I'd put it on your project. You should consider crowdfunding like Kickstarter. There are many of us who would indeed speculate a small bit. Why not?
Frederick DouglassSeptember 9, 2015 10:58 am
If achieving fusion was easy stars would not work.
RichSeptember 9, 2015 10:37 am
Never happen until all the oil is gone, and before it does, the big boys will own it. No cheap power in our future.
Timmy WagnerSeptember 9, 2015 10:25 am
and the energy moguls of the usa wont work on things like this
jayarcSeptember 9, 2015 9:20 am
Sorry, I've heard this story so many times before. Jam tomorrow. It has lost its credibility. Please, no more until net-energy has actually been achieved!
skhSeptember 9, 2015 8:49 am
What if the electricity used to contain the plasma gives out? Do we then have the equivalent of a thermonuclear weapon that is detonated? Think about Fukushima. Safety first.
walterSeptember 9, 2015 8:01 am
I'm gratified that wild claims are kept to the minimum, and progress is stressed
rphunterSeptember 9, 2015 7:49 am
In the 1960s, I read that fusion energy was '20 years away'. In the 1970s, I read that fusion power was '20 years' away. Now I read that fusion power is 20 years away. If these guys can cut that to 10 years, then maybe I will live to see it, but I am NOT going to hold my breath!
Sujeet KatiyarSeptember 9, 2015 7:17 am
Its must situation .. start with CarPooling n save environment !!
Tom RadeckiSeptember 8, 2015 1:12 pm
Assuming your numbers are correct, 600 million Latinos are only 8.2% of the Earth's population yet they generate 10% of the world's emissions. That means that they should be paying poor countries outside of their block money on an annual basis for the environmental damage they are causing with their pollution. Latinos are no angels. Equador, Venezuela, Bolivia, Brazil, and Mexico are all important fossil fuel producers. Meanwhile, Latinos are doing very little in researching renewable energy. Wind turbines, wind towers, PV solar, etc., are all being developed elsewhere while Latinos sit idle and benefit as free-riders. The facts are that the majority of people around the world don't realize how horrible a situation we are in. We all need to go carbon neutral as soon as possible. Many of us could go carbon neutral in our own lives within a year or two. As nations, we can and should go carbon neutral by 2030. Of course, that means scrapping fossil fuel vehicles, going vegan, eliminating almost all air travel, closing down fossil fuel power plants, massive increases in wind and solar energy, replanting the Amazon, and living frugally for the next 50 years or so. We are not going to get anywhere demanding money from so-called rich countries. The U.S. will have to work harder to get itself to carbon zero than will any Latino country since our per capita footprint is twice as large and our infrastructure is designed for a wasteful fossil fuel system of spread out suburbs, etc. Latino countries look like huge hypocrites demanding money while developing the same wasteful fossil fuel dependent habits as Europe and North America. And don't forget that Argentina emits a huge amount of methane with its immoral beef-based diet. Instead of the pot calling the kettle black, we need to work on each of us going carbon neutral now.
amateur supportSeptember 8, 2015 12:20 am
Looking to save the world? Follow these steps: Visit: https://www.americanforests.org/discover-forests/carbon-calculator/ 1. Fill in your estimates or numbers. 2. Click calculate. 3. Plant trees to offset your emissions. Problem solved.
veggiegrrrlSeptember 7, 2015 11:29 pm
vegan is the only long term sustainable and violence-free option.
LibertyIsBetterSeptember 7, 2015 4:25 am
$100 billion a year? Year 1. $69 bil to overhead costs of 1 million new bureaucrats worldwide. $30bil hidden in new untraceable accounts in the Caymans and $1bil to global warming. Year 2. Not spending enough to change the temperature of the earth. Need at least $1 trillion per year in new taxes.
socalpaSeptember 7, 2015 4:20 am
This will certainly be a bonanza for International law firms ! - Once the door is opened to Western countries paying compensation for "extreme weather" events due to historic CO2 emissions. - Claims for earthquakes and tsunamis will be added .There are already papers hypothesizing that the Nepal quake was caused by climate change. - Hope the mods at least read this post before deleting.
Andrew BurgessSeptember 5, 2015 9:38 am
Could ffinloC please elaborate on the link between industrial farming, cruelty and climate change. Is she suggesting that cruelty causes climate change?
Bob BinghamSeptember 5, 2015 4:44 am
What is more important than these UN agreements is a real acceptance by politicians and countries that this is a real and serious threat and we al have to cut our CO2 emissions substantially. Its no good signing a piece of paper and than going home and doing nothing which is what most countries do..
Andrew BurgessSeptember 4, 2015 9:26 pm
No farmer with a conscience is intentionally cruel to her animals. From a business perspective, stressed animals aren't very productive, that's why we do everything possible to ensure their welfare!
Mr FebruarySeptember 4, 2015 8:38 am
"...the two diplomats hope to put in place a process for cranking up action over time.." Doesn't that just sum up the last 23 years of UNFCCC meetings?
FiendishGOPlardassSeptember 3, 2015 8:21 pm
IMF now says global fossil fuel subsidies are now only $5.3 trillion/year, which is only about 4X higher than the IMF's reported 2009 level of $1.3 trillion. See http://www.rtcc.org/2015/05/18/fossil-fuel-subsidies-to-hit-5-3-trillion-in-2015-says-imf/#sthash.dwSHUchc.dpuf
Rob SparrowSeptember 3, 2015 11:49 am
When trying to formulate a strategy involving many complex issues it is critical to start by everyone agreeing on the premises being used to make proposals. So many of the climate change proposals are based on the output of computer models on the premise that these outputs are true. This would be a good place to start a discussion with regards to the credibility of these models.
JamesSeptember 2, 2015 5:21 pm
It will take 500 years for temperature to rise 2.0C. At the present + 0.04C per decade: 0.04C / 10 years = 0.004C per year 0.004C x 500 years = 2.0C In reality, even the IPCC's 0.04C per decade trend is very likely too high and inaccurate. Satellite data, our most accurate source for global temperature, from both UAH and RSS show a temperature decline during the same 15 year period used in the following IPCC Report. Here is the data and source from the IPCC: IPCC AR5 FINAL Ch. 9, p. 769, para.1Box 9.2 Climate Models and the Hiatus in Global Mean Surface Warming of the Past 15 Years “The observed global mean surface temperature (GMST) has shown a much smaller increasing linear trend over the past 15 years than over the past 30 to 60 years. Depending on the observational data set, the GMST trend over 1998–2012 is estimated to be around one-third to one-half of the trend over 1951–2012. For example, in HadCRUT4 the trend is 0.04ºC per decade over 1998–2012, compared to 0.11ºC per decade over 1951–2012.” The UN and the IPCC have been paid dearly for these reports. The” might” happens, “could” occurs, and “maybes” should be compared to what their own data says. When yearly temperature change has to be measured in (+) or (-) thousandths of a degree, that change is statistically insignificant. Any effect CO2 has on Earth's temperature is proving to be statically insignificant
raddogSeptember 2, 2015 4:44 pm
welcome to the modern excuse for the democratic party kid. They'll use you as a prop, give you fear for things that may happen, or may not, but listen to you? don't be silly. Not unless you give them loads of campaign cash.
Robin_GuenierSeptember 2, 2015 12:44 pm
Unfortunately, Tom, neither of your links seem to work. However I think this is the correct link for the second: http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/07/23/india-coal-imports-idINKCN0PX1ES20150723 Yes, it says that coal imports "could" be reduced by 3% by next April. However, re the longer term, I'd be inclined to accept an IEA position (see above) rather than a news report. But, of course, as you now acknowledge, the key point is that there seems to be no doubt that, like many other developing economies, plans to increase its coal consumption. For example, South Africa has just opened the fourth largest coal-fired power plant in the world: http://www.powerengineeringint.com/articles/2015/08/south-africa-opens-first-coal-fired-power-plant-in-two-decades.html?cmpid=EnlPEISeptember12015&eid=296412419&bid=1165003.
Biologyteacher100September 2, 2015 12:19 pm
Great commentary! I am a strong climate advocate who got his Ph.D. in biology/population ecology about 35 years ago.
Sapphire JonesSeptember 2, 2015 11:50 am
Thank you, Leehi, for a wonderful article. I'm glad you exposed the fact that once again we have another conference where it is all talk and no action. What we need to do to save this planet goes beyond fossil fuels. We have to do the hardest thing of all and give up meat. Fossil fuels account for 17% of greenhouse gases. The production of meat - over 50%. And every day more rainforest is cut down for cattle grazing. Yet no one is talking about it.
ffinloCSeptember 2, 2015 11:26 am
The link between industrial farming, cruelty and climate change is compelling. We can improve climate outcomes and farm animal welfare through a shift from meat intensive diets, to better land use, and a return to more extensive agriculture. http://www.ciwf.org.uk/our-boo... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Farmag...
ffinloCSeptember 2, 2015 11:25 am
Work is certainly starting in this area, not least promoted by Philip Lymbery and Compassion in World Farming. The link between industrial farming, cruelty and climate is compelling. We can improve climate outcomes and farm animal welfare through a shift from meat intensive diets, to better land use, and a return to more extensive agriculture. http://www.ciwf.org.uk/our-book-farmageddon/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Farmageddon-True-Cost-Cheap-Meat/dp/1408846446
Robin_GuenierSeptember 2, 2015 10:05 am
"Russia, China and Canada did not sign the document" Nor, it seems (http://thediplomat.com/2015/09/why-did-china-opt-out-of-the-arctic-climate-change-statement/ ) did India. This bodes ill for the UN conference in Paris.
David RiceSeptember 2, 2015 3:09 am
"Leaders?" Only fascist states have leaders, and they don't care about anyone but themselves. The problem is government employees such as the USA 114th Congress not obeying their employers.
GarySeptember 2, 2015 2:34 am
Now if we can file a lawsuit against the Republican Party for their continuing obstruction of any meaningful action against climate change.
Leda_Beth_GraySeptember 2, 2015 12:19 am
Great column and great observations. Where were the women and young people in this conference? Why did Obama approve drilling in the arctic then turn around and give a keynote at this conference? How is he protecting future generations when he approves this drilling? How can we take this as anything but more political b.s.?
Mike LambertsenSeptember 1, 2015 9:42 pm
UN chief Ban Ki-moon has invited leaders from 40 countries to a “closed-door” meeting in New York on 27 September to discuss plans for a global climate deal. - Code for how to destroy the USA and kill capitalism
Rob WildSeptember 1, 2015 9:10 pm
We can't halt it...we're at the point of no return. Adapt or die...
Bob BinghamSeptember 1, 2015 9:17 am
Obama's legacy will be health care for poor Americans and getting the USA to face up to the dangers of climate change. He also had to sort out Bush's legacy of two wars and a bankrupt economy. Hefailed on improving the gun laws but not for want of trying. Not a bad result especially as he survived his term without being shot.
Russ HortonAugust 31, 2015 3:09 pm
Frenology at its peak was better science...
Lance1234August 31, 2015 2:31 pm
It is a gathering of the world's self appointed elite bureaucrats for a group masturbation in preparation for a worldwide screwing.
Tom RadeckiAugust 31, 2015 2:28 pm
I'm afraid you're not keeping up with the news, Robin. India's government has announced that it intends to entirely stop importing coal in three years or 2020 at the latest (http://www.afr.com/business/mining/coal/india-wont-need-australian-coal-after-2020-analyst-says-20150810-givhmm). Imports are already expected to decrease by 3% by April, 2016 (http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/07/23/india-coal-imports-idINKCN0PX1ES20150723). I do strongly disagree with India's plan to double its coal consumption although that would still leave it much lower on a per capita basis that the U.S. India is rapidly increasing renewable energy. Modi announced that he plans on India building 100GW of solar panels by 2022. Unfortunately, he also plans to increase total electricity from 140GW to 280GW, i.e. 40GW more coal also. (Reuters 8/19). America will continue to be on a per capita basis the leading killer of life on our planet. I do love my wind energy powered Nissan Leaf, eat a frugal vegan diet, life in an unheated apartment though I am building a small room to heat with wind electricity this next winter. It got as low as 37F in my apartment last winter which I would rather avoid. My personal fossil fuel consumption is zero except for the embodied footprints of my food, car, and possessions. I took a DIY PV solar installation course and hope to feed electricity into the grid next year to offset that footprint. Global warming is going to be a huge disaster for life on our planet. I hope you are going carbon neutral as well.
Thomas_UKAugust 31, 2015 12:48 pm
The Copenhagen approach didn't work and why should it have? Getting the national leaders in at the end of the talks, after everything has been discussed... what good did that do? What do I know, but I'd go with the planned "big kick-off". At least it will get the talks onto a few more world news headlines and give some additional impetus to the talks.
Chuck MulhernAugust 31, 2015 12:55 am
A 'Sin' against the environment IS a sin against God.
Sam KhouryAugust 30, 2015 8:10 pm
Funny you talk about ONLY the extreme warm weather, now look at the adapt2030 channel on youtube and they list all the record breaking colds, + inconvenient truths like the august snow in calgary, the july snow in hawaii, and ofcource nothing about the 2014 POLAR VORTEX on this site
Rolf JanderAugust 30, 2015 3:58 pm
WTF is a warmunist? I think your brain is trying to bend the laws of physics. The physics of co2 induced warming is indisputable unless you just make up your own fantasy version.
Sunspot369August 30, 2015 12:54 pm
For years we've been saying that the oceans have been storing much of the excess heat from global warming. So isn't it likely that this El Nino is the ocean releasing some if that excess heat, and while El Ninos have occured previous to the influence of agw, it seems likely that the expected strength of this one can be related to human activity rather than regarded as a seperate phenomenon.
Calamity_JeanAugust 30, 2015 10:15 am
No, this year is an El Nino year. The Western Hemisphere never has many hurricanes in those years, because of the change in air circulation. Depending on how fast the current El Nino passes off, either 2016 or 2017 will be a bad year.
Calamity_JeanAugust 30, 2015 9:47 am
Each of the years in the chart is more than half a degree warmer than the average of all the years back to 1880.
Calamity_JeanAugust 30, 2015 9:36 am
"Is the ocean warmer during current El Nino and La Nina years or is the ocean returning the heat back during the El Nino?"
The ocean accumulates heat, from the air and directly from sunlight, during La Nina and neutral years, and releases a large part of it to the air during El Nino years.
"If the oceans are giving up the retained heat during El Nino periods, then the difference in ocean temperatures between La Nina and El Nino will be reduced...."
I don't see why you would think that. Could you explain this in more detail?
"This means that the oceans are a mitigating factor to climate change and they are reducing the man-made effect."
No, the heating of the oceans is another effect of human-caused climate change.
Robin_GuenierAugust 29, 2015 4:56 pm
So, Tom, you accept that your statement about India's marked reduction in planned coal plants was incorrect. And, yes, production and consumption can be different - but this study (http://www.globalresearch.ca/indias-coal-industry-the-single-biggest-source-of-energy/5449946 ) - a good overview of the importance of coal to India - confirms that consumption is also on track to increase massively. An extract: "India is set to more than double its coal consumption by 2035 and become the world’s largest coal importer by around 2020, according to the International Energy Agency." Little likelihood of stranded assets in India it seems. Nor, I suggest, elsewhere in the world. This study - "Drivers for the renaissance of coal" ((http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/07/01/1422722112 ) - by the (US) National Academy of Sciences is important. An extract from the Abstract: "We show that this trend of rapidly increasing coal-based emissions is not restricted to a few individual countries such as China. Rather, we are witnessing a global renaissance of coal majorly driven by poor, fast-growing countries that increasingly rely on coal to satisfy their growing energy demand."
Andrew BurgessAugust 29, 2015 8:32 am
Where I farm in Australia, land values are low because topography and climate limit food production to grazing options only. Crop production for humans is not an option. Therefore we graze ruminants because they alone can convert poor quality biomass into income to pay the bills. I too am struggling to deal with a drying climate caused by AGW. I too am responsible for for some emissions, but at least I know that the carbon my business emits is taken up by vegetative photosynthesis, which feeds my animals again. So my NET emissions are low. Likewise, my cropping bretheren are emitters as well, but their emissions are also taken up by plants to feed the next generation of grains. Be careful what you wish for latte sippers and armchair eco-philosophers, because if farmers have to stop farming because our emissions are too high, then guess what happens to food prices! And we can't have those pesky farmers making a buck to educate their kids can we. Just remember when you're kicking a farmer that it is NET emissions that count, not gross.
Rahlf43August 29, 2015 8:27 am
Fawning idiocy proposed by fawning technocrats who would love to rule over a world composed of beautiful flora and fauna there to titillate and amuse the few vegetarian technocrats left to govern and manage Gaia. It is wonderful that our world has produced such startling intelligence!
Rahlf43August 29, 2015 8:19 am
Now. We should begin walking our many mile commutes to work, nay , we should just not work, most work is polluting. I agree beef and dairy are gross, i prefer chasing after chickens and small animals, rodents even. They are all quite tasty, but somewhat difficult to catch and since cooking them would add to pollution, we must develop a taste for the raw rat. Air travel, hmmph! We should destroy any and all remnants of the Wright brothers and Montgolfier. They should be erased from our history. Now. We definitely don't have the right to kill other human beings but following the precepts of Tom Radecki and his comrades will certainly lead to the deaths of many millions of humans who will not have food, shelter, or for what it may matter, any reason to live. Now!
AussieAugust 29, 2015 6:19 am
Is cooperation on a transparent global carbon tax on the agenda for agreement? Every nation will gain extra revenue from the carbon tax to lower high CO2 emissions. According to scientists, the current 481 ppm CO2-equivalent level is set to soon exceed the 2 degree C warming limit, causing costly, sea-level rise from melting glaciers, including dangerous heat-waves. Advanced, high-GDP nations can provide an agreed proportion of their carbon tax revenue for technology transfer to assist climate mitigation and adaptation in low-GDP nations; an apparent, unavoidable cost for success at Paris 2015.
NorbertAugust 28, 2015 9:01 pm
Carbon-based life forms beware: the UN intends to de-carbonize.
Tom RadeckiAugust 28, 2015 11:34 am
Robin, production and consumption are two different things. Yes, India is increasing its number of coal mines and production dramatically. However, consumption is not planned to be increased by the same percentage, since they plan to reduce their imports from Australia and Indonesia. Adani recently backed out of some of its commitments to the Carmichael coal development and is working with an American solar company to increase solar energy farms in India. As I said in my above note, I think that those coal plants being built, often with bank funding from developed countries, will end up being stranded assets, i.e., forced to shut down before the end of their lifetimes by governmental actions, e.g., tax on carbon and cheaper renewables.
tmalthus2010August 28, 2015 4:50 am
Been happening for a billion years now. Always has and always will.
Lorcan BondaAugust 27, 2015 9:59 pm
It sounds like you are responding to both sides of the question. Is the ocean warmer during current El Nino and La Nina years or is the ocean returning the heat back during the El Nino? I understand the concept of radiative forcing. That wasn't the question -- it had to do with other aspects of the warming which are not taken into account in the model. If the oceans are retaining more energy in them, then they are mitigating the temperature increase. If the oceans are giving up the retained heat during El Nino periods, then the difference in ocean temperatures between La Nina and El Nino will be reduced -- effectively, we will have no El Nino's anymore. I suspect that the oceans are retaining the extra energy. (since you pointed out that La Nina's are warmer than El Nino's used to be) This means that the oceans are a mitigating factor to climate change and they are reducing the man-made effect.
Bart_RAugust 27, 2015 9:22 pm
Growing food is full of pitfalls of climate and soil, as well as rewards. Most of our pumpkins this year will likely fail; most of mine will go to feed a friend’s hens. There’s always next year. We’re all learning. Web search on “Pumpkin + Climate Change” and you’ll get 1.6 million hits in about half a second. What you may learn is, without knowing, we’ve fallen off a cliff.[1] Across the crops we feed ourselves and our livestock, nutrient density has dropped 10%-15% (in some cases more) in key proteins or minerals.[2] This nutrient drop is due to the 43% rise in CO2 levels since the Industrial Revolution; most significantly in just the last few decades. [2, 3] And we didn’t notice. Well, we noticed some of us getting something like 10%-15% flabbier.[4] Rates of adult-onset diabetes are higher.[4] The evidence we can attribute these harms to the CO2 Nutrient Cliff is scant; could it be that we need to eat more of most crops to get the same amount of key nutrients? Plants respond to CO2 a bit like human bodies respond to a mix of milkshakes and steroids. While it’s called “CO2 Fertilization” by some, it’s more like a drug doping effect. [5] Plants evolved to respond to CO2 changes to gain an edge when CO2 was a signal of how many other plants were competing with them.[6] Now, plants have a false signal from our fossil wastes. This makes bigger, shorter-lived, leaves, longer and more brittle limbs, and internal chemical changes.[7] Some of these effects are seen as positive by some. Who doesn’t want giant vegetables (if they don’t know the price is watered down nutrients)? We will never have access to the nutrient density of our forebears’ plants by 10%-15%; our kids will lose access to the nutrient density we have by a further 10%-15%. These changes took decades and it’s not like the cliff was visible. This lower nutrient density will last as long as CO2 levels remain above 280 parts per million by volume.[2,5] Science says that will be hundreds of years after we stop dumping carbon into the air from fossil sources like coal, oil, gas, and cement.[8] Fresher food can cushion the landing. Growing local might help. Pumpkins are mainly complex carbs. Replacing corn, potato, yam and the like with more pumpkin may help restore the same natural balance our ancestors knew. Pumpkins also keep their mineral density intact. It’s the same for broccoli and other dark greens. Every bit we do to help the planet by going COO-less will help our farms and gardens climb back up that invisible CO2 nutrient cliff. [1] O'Brien, Karen ; Eriksen, Siri E H ; Schjolden, Ane ; Nygaard, Lynn P., What's in a word? Conflicting interpretations of vulnerability in climate change research; CICERO Working Paper;2004:04 [2] Duval, Benjamin D., Blankinship, Joseph C., Dijkstra, Paul, Hungate, Bruce A., CO2 effects on plant nutrient concentration depend on plant functional group and available nitrogen: a meta-analysis; PLANT ECOLOGY, JANUARY 2012; DOI: 10.1007/s11258-011-9998-8 [3] Bauska, Thomas K., Joos, Fortunat, Mix, Alan C., Roth, Raphael, Ahn, Jinho, Brook, Edward J, Links between atmospheric carbon dioxide, the land carbon reservoir and climate over the past millennium; Nature Geoscience 8, 383–387 (2015) doi:10.1038/ngeo2422 [4] Abraham, Tobin M., Pencina, Karol M., Pencina Michael J., Fox, Caroline S., Trends in Diabetes Incidence: The Framingham Heart Study; December 31, 2014, doi: 10.2337/dc14-1432; Diabetes Care March 2015 vol. 38 no. 3 482-487 [5] Ehlers, Ina, Augusti, Angela, Betson, Tatiana R., Nilsson, Mats B., Quantification of a metabolic shift towards photosynthesisin C3 plants driven by 20th-century CO2 rise; Umeå University, Faculty of Medicine, Department of Medical Biochemistry and Biophysics; 2015-01-15. diva2:775578 [6] Vian, Alain, Stankovic, Bratislav, Davies, Eric, Signalomics: Diversity and Methods of Analysis of Systemic Signals in Plants; PlantOmics: The Omics of Plant Science; 2015, pp 459-489; 06 Feb 2015; ISBN 978-81-322-2172-2 [7] Fengac, Guan-Qiao, Lib, Yi, Chengac, Zong-Ming (Max), Plant Molecular and Genomic Responses to Stresses in Projected Future CO2 Environment; Critical Reviews in Plant Sciences, Volume 33, Issue 2-3, 2014, pages 238-249; DOI:10.1080/07352689.2014.870421 [8] Inman, Mason, Carbon is forever; Nature Reports Climate Change, 20 November 2008 | doi:10.1038/climate.2008.122
NickAugust 27, 2015 7:41 pm
This article brings it home where it matters. The bottom line is: are the changing climates going to allow us to provide food for eight billion mouths? Anyone who doesn't ask this question doesn't understand the gravity of the issue. And anyone who thinks that we don't need to act because the weight of the evidence leaves a smidgeon of doubt is a f**l
Joe BoltonnAugust 27, 2015 7:31 pm
If the climate is changing All over the world, it also means that huge tracts of arable land will open up in places like Siberia, the Canadian NW Territories, et als. One region' gain will be another's loss. That's been happening for thousands of years, as it did during the medieval warming period.
TSAugust 27, 2015 6:00 pm
Philippines is not excluding the voices of the vulnerable. They just don't care. If they excluded them it wasn't deliberate.
mike hamblettAugust 27, 2015 11:48 am
Could the writers detail one real and current example of where this is actually happening, please.
Amianan SalaknibanAugust 27, 2015 9:04 am
Nice article. Very informative. The Philippine government is really not serious about mitigating climate change, but when it comes to businesses and projects of foreign and private companies that "seemingly" reduce gas emissions in the form of renewable energy projects, they are quick and eager to legislate and pass laws that are lenient to investors but are burden to communities. Sa North Luzon alone, sandamakmak ang energy projects, 'green' nga kaso tataas lalo ang kuryente ng mamamayan dahil sa FITS system and walang nakukuha ang communities mula sa kita from carbon trading dahil 0% ang interest. We should also take into consideration that the issue of climate change seems to be used by corporations to make more money out of the earth's misery imbes na dapat ay magig daluyan ito ng pagunlad ng mga komunidad na kung saan ito pinapakat. Hindi din dapat pinipilit sa mamamayan ang mga proyektong ito. Sa mga communities sa North Luzon na may application ng renewable energy, pag may opposition, minimilitarize, tinatakot ang mga tao just to approve the project. Proof lang ito na profit ang habol nila at hindi ang advocacy na I-save ang environment natin. https://amianansalakniban.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/carbon-trading-and-effects-northern-luzon/
Rob ParkerAugust 27, 2015 5:31 am
No seaweed tastes like bacon, unless its in a clickbait headline, not even close. It's also not "carbon-negative", unless you plan on burying it and sequestering the carbon. If you eat it, you'll breathe the CO2 back into the atmosphere. The best option for reducing your food footprint is to go vegetarian, or at least limit red meat. Next best option is #7.
Robin_GuenierAugust 26, 2015 12:47 pm
"No more coal now." A problem: new coal-fired power plants are planned for China, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, Pakistan, South Africa, Poland, Turkey, the Philippines, Greece, Zambia and elsewhere – plants that are very likely still to be operating by 2050.
Robin_GuenierAugust 26, 2015 12:36 pm
"India, while still going forward, has markedly reduced the number of new coal plants planned." Not so - it's planning to double its coal production by 2020: http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=22652
TurboblockeAugust 25, 2015 9:54 pm
I signed the following petition: Everyone who is concerned about climate change knows that we have to reduce our emissions of greenhouse gases. Mostly people mainly think of the energy sector or transport as there is clearly a direct link between greenhouse gas emissions and our daily activities. One sector of human activity that is often overlooked is agriculture. Even the most conservative estimates show that it is responsible for over 10% worldly of our greenhouse gas emissions and the amount produced is growing, yet it is practically exempt from legislation limiting its greenhouse gas emissions. https://www.change.org/p/the-official-delegates-to-the-2015-paris-climate-conference-reduce-greenhouse-gas-emissions-from-agriculture/u/12350564
Bob BinghamAugust 25, 2015 8:50 pm
So far climate models have been far too slow to accurately predict ice loss and sea level rise. The biggest problem is that models can't predict sudden and catastrophic collapse. http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/1/post/2015/05/-4-metre-sea-rise-by-2050.html
Gunnar LittmarckAugust 25, 2015 3:13 pm
Use it as fuel in reactors like BN-800 (cost 1,5 billion$, effect 800MWe). That technique giv 70 times more energy when destroy "waste" than the waste producing reactors have done. Every element that motive longer dispose than 300 years will be fully used as fuel. Better is to go from BN-800´s open Rankine Cycle and water to closed Brayton cycle and super critical CO2, then the price will go down with at least 30% more. Best will be F-MSR than the waste consuming reactors can produce carbon dioxide neutral fuel for cars or electric power depending on the demand. Yes walk away safe Nuclear Power is The Future!
CarbonicusAugust 25, 2015 12:55 pm
Pathetic. Investment consultants aren't holding back investments in alt energy. They simply understand the math, and that Green ideology doesn't bend the laws of physics and economics. You Warmunists wouldn't understand that because you live in Green Fantasy Land.
Calamity_JeanAugust 25, 2015 11:32 am
Both the El Nino / La Nina cycle and overall global warming are occurring at the same time. The natural El Nino / La Nina cycle makes the general heating alternately more obvious and less obvious. Energy comes into the earth's atmosphere as sunlight and leaves as infrared (IR) radiation, AKA "heat". In between arrival and departure, the energy bounces around in the atmosphere, ocean, and the upper few feet of the ground, warming all of them. Because of the excess carbon dioxide in the air, the energy can't radiate into space as fast as it's arriving, so it is accumulating on and near the earth's surface. Depending on natural variation, sometimes the energy accumulates more in the ocean, and sometimes more in the atmosphere. Recent La Nina years have been warmer than El Nino years were twenty or thirty years ago.
NickAugust 24, 2015 10:33 pm
There's going to be massive cheating almost before the treaty is inked. Fossil fuels are just too available, abundant and compelling. This round will end in failure. Without a global governing authority with enforcement capabilities, there's not a chance that emissions will drop significantly.
Lorcan BondaAugust 24, 2015 6:59 pm
Calamity -- based on what science? El nino and La Nina are primarily natural, multi-decadal ocean oscillations. If El Nino spits the heat out, then it will absorb it again in the next La Nina. If you claim El Nino emits the heat, then it is natural variability. You would also have to take into account the other oceans (such as AMOC).
Leo van LieropAugust 24, 2015 5:38 pm
If you ask me, only an agreement that tries to come close to 2°C is a success. Anything else I'll regard as utter failure.
Tom RadeckiAugust 24, 2015 12:34 pm
The author conveniently skips over the carbon footprint of beef and dairy, because it is far greater than pork, i.e., roughly 25 pounds CO2 per pound of meat or caloric equivalent of dairy versus 5 pounds for pork. I do agree that 5 pounds is still truly excessive and a threat to life on our planet. Also, pork has been found to be unhealthy in the human diet in numerous studies. Seafood also has a sizable carbon footprint of around 5 pounds CO2 per pound of meat with some such as shrimp being even worse. Of course, seafood is healthier although flax, walnuts and other sources of simple omega-3 fatty acids may adequately replace seafood. Chicken clearly has the smallest carbon footprint of the various sources of meat at 1-2 pounds CO2 per pound of meat. Of course, nuts come in around 0.3 pounds CO2 and beans and lentils around 0.6 pounds of CO2. Some vegetables, such as asparagus, have carbon footprints worse than pork. Also, driving to a farmers market in a fossil fuel dinosaur to buy a couple pounds of vegetable dramatically raises the footprint of those vegetables. Also, eating canned vegetables can make those vegetables as climate unfriendly as pork. I agree that a frugal, home-cooked from scratch vegan diet is the way to go, but the author appears way too simplistic.
Joe BorzaAugust 24, 2015 11:07 am
Have a look at how simply uploading your energy bills can show you your path to low carbon energy use: https://energyelephant.com/app
DrulafunkAugust 24, 2015 3:27 am
WakeUp, you had best study the basics of equilibrium of water vapor/precipitation on this planet. CO2 does not precipitate out of the atmosphere when concentration gets too high, like H20 does. It's up to plants to absorb it, die, and thus burry it in the earth. The problem is we are drilling for it and burning it back into the atmosphere at an uncontrolled rate.
Robin_GuenierAugust 23, 2015 8:58 pm
Richard Black might perhaps have chosen his words rather more carefully. Surely the objective is not "getting to 2C", but avoiding precisely that? As for his wish to "go further", words fail me. It's been calculated that, to avoid 2ºC, current global emissions must be cut by around 30% by 2030. Yet, as I demonstrated in the comments here (http://www.rtcc.org/2015/08/18/terrifying-math-how-carbon-tracker-changed-the-climate-debate/ ), the US - responsible for 17% of global emissions - is planning to contribute less than 1% towards the needed cut. If, as Ms Yamin says, the "US is basically in charge of the negotiations", optimism is plainly not justified.
AnAverageJoeAugust 23, 2015 2:01 am
Read his chart each of the hottest years warmed by 0.6+ degrees. Add them up. Can't you read a chart either. Another way to read those figures is to say that the increase is the cumulative rise from some time in the past, but not clear what the figure is or when it started. So the cumulative increase from 1998 to 2014 is found by subtracting the starting point from the ending point. Producing a cumulative gain since 1998 of 0.0527 degrees. Not sure what the margin of error is for the instruments is, but close I'm sure. Hardly a warming trend since 1998.
leonard boltonAugust 21, 2015 7:13 pm
Not how you presented it -- you just got caught -- give it up
climatehawk1August 21, 2015 5:20 pm
Good thinking, what the heck do we need science for anyway? Let's go back to burning witches at the stake and being guided by superstition.
Frans Verhagen, PhDAugust 21, 2015 5:13 pm
The pope’s On Care For Our Common Home and this Islamic Declaration are important events in making the combat of the looming climate catastrophe a moral fight. It is also the integrated set of social and ecological values in monetary justice that can form the basis of a new world order. The conceptual, institutional, ethical and strategic dimensions of this carbon-based international monetary system with its monetary standard of a specific tonnage of CO2e per person, its global central bank and it balance of payments system of financial and ecological (climate) debts and credits are presented in my 2012 “The Tierra Solution: Resolving the climate crisis through monetary transformation” and updated at www.timun.net.
Frans Verhagen, PhDAugust 21, 2015 4:47 pm
Two other important events happened at the Cancun UNFCCC conference. Martin Kohr applied the CTI and Pottsdam data in a concept called Equitable Carbon Budget where the remaining 1000 GT of CO2 has to be equitably divided. Frans Verhagen, interviewed by Climate TV http://www.climate-change.tv/frans-verhagen-december-2010 , proposed to put decarbonization as the organizing principle of a new world order of a carbon-based international monetary system. This system would be anchored in the monetary standard of a specific tonnage of CO2e per person and would be governed, among others, by the new global institutions of global central bank and a balance of payments system that accounts for both financial and ecological (climate) debts and credits. Two years later the conceptual, institutional, ethical and strategic dimensions of that Tierra international monetary system was presented in the book “The Tierra Solution: Resolving the climate crisis through monetary transformation” and updated at www.timun.net.
alex7070August 21, 2015 4:17 pm
Good point!
TJeff101August 21, 2015 2:19 pm
You give a new meaning to "down under"
WillAugust 21, 2015 7:19 am
We must always keep in mind that global CO2 emissions are increasing by 96 million tons every 24 hours; on course for exceeding the 2C warming limit, and certain, dangerous warming of our planet. A method for measuring carbon dioxide cuts will be provided by nations participating in a common global carbon tax, as strongly recommended by top economists. A common global carbon tax needs to be agreed by global leaders before the Paris meeting. It is impossible to envisage greenhouse gas emissions falling in time to save our planet without a global carbon tax. Paris will be the defining moment of time for human civilization; a will to survive.
Jan GalkowskiAugust 21, 2015 1:47 am
I'd say the scientific community urges zero emissions by 2050, not 2100. There are two reasons for this ... First, the +2 C criterion is already too high, based upon science found since they started out. Second, 100 years is too long a horizon for most people to think about. It is also significantly beyond the depreciation horizon of new fossil fuel assets being rolled out right now. THOSE MUST STOP. And until they stop, no one can seriously consider reducing existing assets as being on the table. A 2050 target would bring both forward. But, after all, UNFCCC are politicians and that's "The art of the possible", never mind what's needed. But DON'T PRETEND that a 2100 target gives ANY kind of credibility.
KrzysztofAugust 20, 2015 8:36 pm
+Galatians 2:15 demands to rebuke even Pope when he errs!
KrzysztofAugust 20, 2015 8:35 pm
As a Catholic Mr.Duda listens at first God and not wizzards (at IPCCC) or even Pope; "In climate research and modelling, we should recognise that we are dealingwith a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.(IPCC2001,p.774); therefore, ....alarmists predictions are from a blue sky!
KrzysztofAugust 20, 2015 8:28 pm
Fortunately Mr.Duda as a Catholic listens at first to God and not to pseudo scientific wizzards in IPCC UN@EU who forget its own words: "In climate research and modelling, we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.(IPCC,2001,p.774). I am ashamed he did not rebuke Pope's kiddy encyqlique on it as God says in Galatians 2:15
ObserverAugust 20, 2015 8:14 pm
Poland's CO2 emissions are a small fraction of Germany's or Great Britain's. Western European countries polluted the air in Europe and in their colonies for generations; coal-operated plants in the Ruhr and in Wales have become proverbial. Now that Central Europeans are rebuilding their independence, they are thwarted by unreasonable demands. Also, what a mendacious title.Duda never said anything like that, The title is obviously meant to generate negative feelings about Poland and the Polish president.
SeanAugust 20, 2015 6:41 pm
There are countless articles by Dr. Roy Spencer, an evangelist and member of the Cornwall Alliance, An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming. Basically claiming God wouldn't allow climate change. The strongest articles the website presents are from 1980. Almost all modern articles listed from legit academic journals don't exactly support the theory the website is trying to push. For instance the article in Science : Do Satellites Detect Trends in Surface Solar Radiation? How does that article support the argument that humans aren't impacting the climate via CO2 emissions. There are countless instances of articles that don't dismiss AGW, but somehow Popular Tech claims they do. They also cite opinion articles which aren't peer reviewed: Carbon dioxide and climate in the Vostok ice core, Atmospheric Environment. On their page for the "1350 peer reviewed papers..." The tout how they were cited in the International Journal of Modern Physics. When you click on that you see they are first reference: Climate Change 2007: Synthesis Report. Contribution of Working Groups I, II and III to the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Core Writing Team, eds. R. K. Pachauri and A. Reisinger, IPCC, Geneva, Switzerland. Andrew. Popular Mechanics I don't see what this does for them. This IPCC report concluded humans were "very likely" the cause of global warming.
SeanAugust 20, 2015 6:40 pm
There are countless articles by Dr. Roy Spencer, an evangelist and member of the Cornwall Alliance, An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming. Basically claiming God wouldn't allow climate change. The strongest articles the website presents are from 1980. Almost all modern articles listed from legit academic journals don't exactly support the theory the website is trying to push. For instance the article in Science : Do Satellites Detect Trends in Surface Solar Radiation? How does that article support the argument that humans aren't impacting the climate via CO2 emissions. There are countless instances of articles that don't dismiss AGW, but somehow Popular Tech claims they do. They also cite opinion articles which aren't peer reviewed: Carbon dioxide and climate in the Vostok ice core, Atmospheric Environment. On their page for the "1350 peer reviewed papers..." The tout how they were cited in the International Journal of Modern Physics. When you click on that you see they are first reference: Climate Change 2007: Synthesis Report. Contribution of Working Groups I, II and III to the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Core Writing Team, eds. R. K. Pachauri and A. Reisinger, IPCC, Geneva, Switzerland. Andrew, I don't see what this does for them. This IPCC report concluded humans were "very likely" the cause of global warming.
odin2August 20, 2015 3:21 pm
Courts are supposed to decide only contested cases to ensure that the case is vigorously litigated on both sides. Who will vigorously defend this case as all the defendants would agree with the plaintiff's claims? For example are Obama, Holdren, Kerry and McCarthy going to vigorously defend this case or are they going to "throw the match"? This is nothing more than an another "sue and settle" case to go beyond the limits of existing laws and to do an end run around Congress.
eusebio manuelAugust 20, 2015 2:57 pm
The global mining market is a blessing in disguise as far as environmental concerns are concerned for the political leaders can not do little has been done by the market itself much maligned Exports will drop and profits will appear Happy Sustainability 2015
Chuck AnziulewiczAugust 20, 2015 2:18 pm
People are too gloomy about climate change. Maybe we need to start looking at the bright side: 1: Public swimming pools open on Groundhog Day, don’t close until Thanksgiving. 2: No more of those pesky polar bear attacks … EVER AGAIN. 3: You won’t have to drive to the beach. The beach comes to YOU! 4: Business will be positively BOOMING at the Great Lakes alligator farms. 5: No more movies about cutesy penguins. 6: Fewer people freezing to death. Heatstroke is a much cozier way to go. 7: Forget mowing the lawn anymore. Just let it die, then paint it green. 8: “February showers bring March flowers!” 9: Those garishly-colored coral reefs will soon be a tasteful off-white. 10: A new, FUN contest to rename Glacier National Park! 11: Office dress codes revised to allow for “Clothing-Optional Friday.” 12: People less worried about going to Hell. 13: Now maybe animals will abandon the cruel practice of wearing fur.
Bryan AllenAugust 20, 2015 6:17 am
Solar Impulse only crossed a portion of the Pacific (Japan to Hawaii) and took over five days to do it, destroying its battery system on the way. And the Airbus patent is fantasy; not physically possible, and no market to boot. Aviation technology is in regression right now, only advancing incrementally in efficiency. The premise that this industry can innovate its way out of damaging our ecosphere is flawed.
Lorcan BondaAugust 20, 2015 2:47 am
These are statements presented to the courts from climate scientists for the trial where Michael Mann is suing Mark Steyn for libel. (Mark Steyn called the hockeystick "fraudulent".) There are hundreds of quotes like these (and this is just from volume 1) -- how many do you need? Eduardo Zorita: Why I Think That Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Stefan Rahmstorf Should be Barred from the IPCC Process. Short answer: because the scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible anymore. These words do not mean that I think anthropogenic climate change is a hoax. On the contrary, it is a question which we have to be very well aware of. But I am also aware that editors, reviewers and authors of alternative studies, analysis, interpretations, even based on the same data we have at our disposal, have been bullied and subtly blackmailed. Matti Saarnisto: In that article [Science], my group’s research material from Korttajärvi, near Jyväskylä, was used in such a way that the Medieval Warm Period was shown as a mirror image. The graph was flipped upside-down. In this email I received yesterday from one of the authors of the article, my good friend Professor Ray Bradley …says there was a large group of researchers who had been handling an extremely large amount of research material, and at some point it happened that this graph was turned upside-down. But then this happened yet another time in Science, and now I doubt if it can be a mistake anymore. But how it is possible that this type of material is repeatedly published in these top science journals? There is a small circle going round and around, relatively few people are reviewing each other’s papers, and that is in my opinion the worrying aspect. Jonathan Jones: My whole involvement has always been driven by concerns about the corruption of science. Like many people I was dragged into this by the Hockey Stick. The Hockey Stick is an extraordinary claim which requires extraordinary evidence, so I started reading round the subject. And it soon became clear that the first extraordinary thing about the evidence for the Hockey Stick was how extraordinarily weak it was, and the second extraordinary thing was how desperate its defenders were to hide this fact. The Hockey Stick is obviously wrong. Climategate 2011 shows that even many of its most outspoken public defenders know it is obviously wrong. And yet it goes on being published and defended year after year. Do I expect you to publicly denounce the Hockey Stick as obvious drivel? Well yes, that’s what you should do. It is the job of scientists of integrity to expose pathological science. It is a litmus test of whether climate scientists are prepared to stand up against the bullying defenders of pathology in their midst.
Mollie NorrisAugust 20, 2015 2:30 am
True, but a minor point in the context of Bergoglio's support for UN policies; global government, global pagan gaia worship, the murder of 95% of the population... I think we can choose one of two assumptions; 1) Bergoglio is unfamiliar with the Bible, particularly the book of Revelation, or 2) Bergoglio, in keeping with his Baphomet hand sign, is acknowledging his identity as the Antichrist or False Prophet.
Lorcan BondaAugust 20, 2015 1:57 am
I agree. I make it a point to go back through the science to see what the actual research says. nine times out of ten, the news reports are grossly exaggerated compared to the science. Some reports are obvious ("new scientific study says that ocean levels could rise by as much as nine meters"). Any time they use phrases like a car salesman ("as much as"), you know we've left the rational realm. Worse yet is more nebulous claims. "New Report confirms that climate change worsens extreme weather events such as heat waves, droughts, forest fires, hurricanes, and even blizzards". The laundry list is absurd because these events aren't equivalent. The only one of those extreme events linked to climate change is heat waves -- the rest are theories without documentary support (even droughts.) Worse is when they state a harm, but fail to evaluate possible alternatives. For instance, "A heat wave in Pakistan could kill up to 20,000 people." -- what would happen without climate change? (a heat wave kills 18,000?) What difference would a 50% reduction in fossil fuels make? ( 100 lives, maybe) Now, the real questions -- how many people would die from other causes due to reduction in fossil fuels? (spoiled food, limited transportation, limited medical supplies.) And the hardest question? How many people could we save if we just provide them with air conditioning? The UK lost some 31,000 people a few winters ago because of the inability to afford heating oil -- higher costs created "energy poverty". That's one nation who is taxing oil to reduce their carbon emissions. Depending on the studies you read, the UK now has anywhere from 2.29 million to 6.59 million in energy poverty. How many will that be when they start trading carbon-offset credits? Why make such a big deal about the number of people dying from a heat wave if you can't address these questions? The press doesn't care.
Cris CassityAugust 20, 2015 1:18 am
Donald Trump; This very very expensive global warming BS has to stop. President Trump.
Jeremy PoyntonAugust 19, 2015 10:18 pm
So, tomorrow belongs to the Earth Guardians, am I right?
Denis AblesAugust 19, 2015 8:28 pm
Alarmists confiscated the term “climate change”, which originally referred to natural events, such as ice ages. Now it means catastrophic anthropogenic global warming” (CAGW), and skeptics are referred to as “climate change” deniers. The claims of a “97% consensus” have been thoroughly debunked. Among other problems these unprofessional “surveys” count many skeptics as part of their supposed consensus. These surveyors made no distinction between the IPCC cabal, which claims human activity is the PRINCIPLE cause of global warming, and other respondents (invariably skeptics) who merely acknowledge that increasing co2 MIGHT have SOME impact on global warming. Had those alarmist surveys been designed (and handled) by unbiased professionals the result would have likely shown that skeptics were the majority, but it’s irrelevant since scientific truths are not dependent on vote counts. When a match is lit, it may have some impact (but not likely measurable) on global warming. The Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect is well known, but also turns out to have no impact on global temperature because urban areas represent only a small portion of the earth’s surface and even the rural areas immediately surrounding an UHI show little or no temperature impact from the UHI. However, no sensible person would flatly declare that human activity is having NO impact on global warming. It is the IPCC (and its cohort) unjustifiable claim that (1) co2 increase causes global warming and (2) human activity, which appears to be responsible for most of the co2 increase, is therefore the principle cause of our current warming. During most of our planet’s history the co2 level has been several times higher than now, and yet, even over geologic periods, there is no empirical evidence showing that co2 has EVER had any impact on global warming. In fact, over geologic periods there is a strong correlation showing the opposite - that temperature variation occurs FIRST and only 800 to 2800 years LATER do similar variations show up in the co2 level. Furthermore, a comparison of our current interglacial with the immediate four prior interglacial periods (a span of about 340,000 years) shows that our current maximum temperature is about two degrees cooler than in any of the four earlier inter-glacials. But our current co2 level is 40% higher than in these earlier inter-glacials, so apparently co2, even at its current higher level, has little impact on global temperature. Since both co2 level and UHI have been ruled out insofar as having even a measurable (let alone significant) impact on global temperature, what is the basis for the IPCC claim? Neither can the alarmist computer models account for how the “missing heat” might disappear into the ocean, sink unnoticed by 3,600 ARGO buoys, subsequently hide in the deep ocean, to somehow later re-surface and escape back into the atmosphere. The measurable increase in ocean temperature, even if due to atmospheric increase is miniscule, hardly sufficient to explain the “missing heat”. t is also known that the capability of co2 to influence warming diminishes as its level increases, and that a greenhouse is hardly an adequate model for our open atmosphere. There is no convection from within a real greenhouse, but in the open atmosphere satellites detect heat escaping to space. Neither does a greenhouse experience such things as ocean feedback. Finally, computer models cannot possibly deal with ongoing chaotic events which are an integral and significant part of the climate system. Alarmist computer models have all consistently projected higher temperature increases than have subsequently been recorded, and this has continued even after several rounds of revisions to those models. Climate computer model results are clearly not evidence of anything other than the author(s) understanding of our climate. Ironically, all these alarmist models ASSUME that water vapor is the real culprit, creating 2 to 3 times the temperature increase supposedly brought on directly by co2 increase. But nobody understands whether water vapor feedback is even positive, let alone 2 to 3 times that of the co2 impact (which itself is in question.) Cloud cover, one aspect of water vapor, appears to have a cooling rather than a warming effect. In response to the hiatus in temperature increase for almost the past two decades the alarmists have, so far, come up with dozens of different excuses as to where the missing heat is hiding. However, this has not deterred these folks from claiming their “science” is “settled.” The current co2 level is 400 ppmv, (parts per million by volume) clearly a trace gas, which can also be stated as 4/100 of one percent of the atmosphere. (4/100 of one percent of a mile is about 2 feet). The annual rate of increase in co2 is about 2 ppmv. Projections for co2 level for the year 2100 are 600 ppmv, still a trace gas. A crowded gym with poor ventilation may reach 1,000 ppmv. Submarine crews survive for months in a 5,000+ ppmv environment. Plants, grow faster, healthier, produce more oxygen, and need less water in higher co2 environments. In fact, the earth is greening even as this controversy continues. The proponents (alarmists) of CAGW base their hypothesis on a very brief period (30 years) of climate history. This is because even the most rabid CAGW scientists understand that increasing co2 level would have had no measurable impact on global temperature until about 1950. Co2 began rising in the mid 1800s, but our current warming (such as it is) began, by definition, at the bottom of the Little Ice Age, in the mid 1600s. That of course implies 300 years of natura warming. There was a mild cooling from the 1940s to the 1970s, followed by THE warming, from the 1970s to about 1998. There has been no additional warming since then. There are 5 global temperature datasets, 3 terrestrial and 2 satellite. However, according to Phil Jones (2003) the three terrestrial datasets are all comprised of most (90 to 95%) of the same raw data. There are three sets of terrestrial results because three separate groups are involved and each applies different revisions to this raw data. The UAH satellite results show no additional warming for the past 18 years and 5 months. The RSS satellite shows no additional warming for the past 18 years and 7 months. (However, the upcoming el Nino, a natural warming event, may bring with it some additional temporary warming!) This 18+ year duration of no additional warming is not cherry picked since the calculation depends on the data and is the answer to a very relevant question, namely – for how long has there been no additional warming? If the same analysis applied to satellite data, but instead uses the mean of all 5 datasets, there has been no additional warming for the past 13+ years. (However, since all three terrestrial datasets are basically derived from the same raw data, the 3/5 weighting used in determining the mean for terrestrial data appears to be over weighted.) The three terrestrial datasets have various other issues. Even the current raw data must be revised because many stations are located within or near UHIs so that effect, which can change over time, must be estimated and removed. Land based stations are subject to changing environmental conditions. (Why not confine the analysis, or at least derive an independent separate analysis using just rural locations?) The distance between some land stations may be as much as 1200km, and there are very few stations in remote (jungles, mountains, deserts, plains, grasslands, etc.) areas. Also, most land based temperature stations do not satisfy even the basic requirements laid down by the government. Some alarmists, including politicians, continue to blame severe weather on “climate change” or insist that sea level rise is “evidence” of CAGW. Sea level has been rising for the past 15,000 years, ever since the last ice age BEGAN melting, and sea level is now up 400+ feet. In more recent times the rate of sea level increase has been flat, or dropping, and sea level rise is now at a miniscule 1 to 2 mm per YEAR, (1 mm = 4/100 of one inch). Viewing a graph showing sea level over the past 12-15 thousand year period should suffice. Statistical analysis has demonstrated that, for the past several decades, severe weather events of all types have remained within natural climate variation. Weather events (hurricanes, typhoons, tornados, floods, rain, droughts) have been no more severe nor more frequent during this period. At least one well known member of the IPCC cabal, Phil Jones, stated that if the Medieval Warming Period (MWP) was global and as warm as now, then “that’s another ballgame”. The Climate Gate email conversations showed great concern about the MWP. (In fact, one email made clear that they had to get rid of the MWP!) The IPCC and its usual cohort insist that the MWP was only a regional phenomenon. Their firm position may have more than a little to do with the threat of the embarrassing question -- “If the MWP was as warm (probably warmer) than now, why do you think humans are now the cause of our current warming?” In order to justify the CAGW hypothesis any credible scientist would have surely found it necessary to temporarily put their hypothesis aside and undertaken a global investigation to ensure that there was actually no global warming trend during the MWP. They instead cling to their claim that the MWP was merely regional and not that warm. This flies in the face of the numerous studies, along with various anecdotal evidence. They also reverse the theorist’s usual position by demanding that skeptics instead provide the evidence that the MWP was global and at least as warm as now. Please note that if even one region remote from Europe shows that warming trend, their hypothesis becomes dubious. As it turns out the warming trend shows up in many such regions. The CAGW hypothesis not only lacks any empirical evidence, it is further exacerbated by their denials about the MWP. What is so amazing is there were numerous peer-reviewed studies available showing the MWP to be global and as warm, likely warmer, long before the alarmist position even reverted from cries of an oncoming ice age to global warming. (Holdren, science adviser to Obama, has been an alarmist both times.) The alarmist denials continue even now, as new studies contradicting CAGW continue to show up almost weekly. The website co2science.org has links to all the MWP peer reviewed studies. These studies have employed numerous different temperature proxies. In addition, there are also some 6,000 boreholes around the globe which also confirm that the MWP trend was global. But wait….there’s more! There were several earlier warmings during this interglacial before the MWP, all warmer than the MWP. Even the IPCC only claims that our current warming is a record for the past 800 years, and with less likelihood, (but no justification provided) for the past 1200 years. Lord Monckton points out that while the IPCC has finally admitted in its latest report that the current rate of warming is now lower than published earlier but they still have not revised their out-years high temperature estimate. An ancient forest in Alaska (Mendenhall Glacier), recently retreated sufficiently to expose some splintered tree trunks preserved in their original upright positions. Receding Swiss glaciers have revealed 4000 year old forests showing that area to have been glacier free at that time. Antique vineyards dating back to the MWP have also been exposed in Scandinavia and the Alps at latitudes where grapes cannot be raised today. Attempts to brush off such solid information as “anecdotal evidence” is ridiculous. Both NASA and NOAA base their “analysis” strictly on terrestrial data, evidently ignoring the satellite data! In late 2014 these two “science” organizations claimed that 2014 was the “hottest” year, but both soon backed down after skeptics pointed out that if their same analysis were applied to satellite data, then 2014 was either 3rd or 6th hottest. (Either situation would imply at least a short term cooling underway.) Also, neither agency felt the need to include in their initial press release that the difference amongst recent warm year global temperatures was miniscule, (a few hundredths of one degree) so well within the uncertainty error of one half a degree, and therefore their contrived comparison is meaningless. The major news media, as usual, jumped on their original news (2014 “hottest”) release, but overlooked the NOAA/NASA subsequent retreat. These agencies are still at it, now claiming that June 2015 was the “hottest” month. There has also been no accompanying acknowledgement that sea ice extent in the Arctic recently increased about 30% and sea ice extent near the south pole continues to break records New weather trends begin at the two poles. Quite recently the two agencies (now evidently desperate) decided to revise the sea surface temperatures in an apparent effort to deal with the temperature “hiatus”. But, as CFACT points out “…NOAA “adjusted” sea-surface temperature (SST) data from buoys upward by .12 degrees C, to make them ‘homogeneous’ with lengthier records from past engine intake systems in ships. However, engine intake data are ‘clearly contaminated by heat conduction from the ships, and that data were never intended for scientific use – whereas the global buoy network was designed for environmental monitoring”. These agencies also recently declared that their three datasets were “independent”, which, if not dubious, at least debatable, since all three datasets are basically using the same raw data. It’s now time to look at the government “solution” for what is very likely a non-problem. Obama wants to reduce electrical power emissions by 32% by 2030. The following is quoted directly from Joanne Nova’ website which merely confirms what the EPA administrator, Gina McCarth recently admitted: This “ambitious” goal is purely symbolic. Here’s why. Electrical power plants make 37% of US emissions, which are about one-fifth of global human emissions, which are 4% of total CO2 emissions globally. So a 32% cut in US electrical emissions will result in a 0.1% cut in total global CO2 emissions (at best)*. If the Obama/EPA plan is “successful” and if the IPCC are right, Paul Knappenberger and Pat Michaels estimate that Obama’s new plan will cool the world by an unmeasurable 0.02°C by 2100. Since our global temperatures are still 2 degrees below the high in each of the past four inter-glacials there may be a bit more natural warming ahead. We know that co2, even at much higher temperatures than now, has had no discernable influence on global temperature. We do need to be concerned about our utilization of energy resources, but it will take centuries before co2 attains those earlier levels, so technology should resolve this issue long before co2 level can create any crisis. Politicians’ rush to implement policies appears to be a much larger threat. Whether these alarmists are “useful idiotsor willing to lie because they believe in some higher principle (one-world government, abhor the fossil fuel industry, etc.) hardly matters. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
DanceswithdachshundsAugust 19, 2015 7:44 pm
"Legal action on the climate is a growing phenomenon" Of course! .. Libs always whine to judges when they cannot get their way with tantrums.
ilma630August 19, 2015 5:53 pm
What these kids haven't realised is that 97% of the CO2 in the atmosphere is completely natural & there's absolutely nothing they can do about it. That leaves 3% that is man's. What is 3% of 0.04%? 0.0012%. Such a minute amount that any changes to it will be unmeasureable. Further? The obvious question is then: if the natural 97% of CO2 is not dangerous, how can man's 3% possibly be? However, the rising levels of CO2 globally has resulted in significant increases in plant growth. Have they realised that?
ccAugust 19, 2015 5:52 pm
there are only 3 words in your post, can't do simple arithmetic..you must be a CCAGW guy...
PKaaaaaaaayAugust 19, 2015 4:57 pm
This is why placing a price on carbon now is critical. As Lasertop points out below, we're just going to keep getting fleeced (whether you think it's legitimate or not) unless we take action. Good news is it CAN be profitable for us if we institute a carbon fee and dividend solution, rather than economy-stalling regulations. That's why China is implementing such a policy next year
Calamity_JeanAugust 19, 2015 2:36 pm
It's just more obvious in Miami Beach because the city is built on an island that doesn't rise above the ocean very much. Other locations have higher ground to build on, so the water isn't in their streets yet (mostly). Newport News Virginia also has a water in the streets problem, but it really is sinking because Canada is rebounding from the last Ice Age. Florida is far enough from Canada that it isn't affected by the rebound.
Tom RadeckiAugust 19, 2015 11:54 am
Emerging nations building new coal plants will end up with the plants being stranded assets. China is cutting back markedly. It has eliminated approval for the large majority of its planned coal gasification plants. Coal imports have fallen markedly. Coal use is down. India, while still going forward, has markedly reduced the number of new coal plants planned. Indonesia still has quite a few plants in the planning stage, but as we've seen in China and India, that could and very likely will rapidly change. Wind and solar are now very competitively price compared to coal and they won't kill life on our planet. The impacts of global warming is coming on much faster than predicted. The damage is certain to be horrific, but it will be much worse if dramatic action isn't taken. Every ton of carbon emissions counts. Please go carbon neutral as soon as possible. We need to kill fossil fuel transportation now. Stop eating beef and dairy now. No more coal now. No air travel. Stop complaining. You have no right to kill other human beings to maximize your pleasure.
Simon JohnsonAugust 19, 2015 9:17 am
Two points: Australia intends to still export millions of tonnes of coal, which is not included in UNFCCC-based reduction targets. Australia almost certainly has no intention of acheiving it's target.
Mark PotochnikAugust 19, 2015 7:32 am
Great. When the next 1,000 year Typhoon hits Philippines we will look the other way.
leonard boltonAugust 19, 2015 7:02 am
Clueless Jean walked straight into the trap. Miami is sinking hence the problem. If rising sea was the problem it would be a problem up the coast in other cities -- it's all the same Atlantic ocean. But it isn't a problem there. Thanks Jean -- you tried to be smart but proved my point. The sea is NOT rising.
AussieEngineerAugust 19, 2015 2:00 am
Two posts, both complete wastes of the poster's and others' time. Waiting for the next "glaciation cycle" doesn't sound like a rational response to me.
AussieEngineerAugust 19, 2015 1:52 am
300 words wasted.
AussieEngineerAugust 19, 2015 1:48 am
where did Joseph get the figure of 175GW renewables from? Of course, that is entirely unachievable, so rather than taking a "can't be done" approach, the rational thing to do would be to follow France's example which was set during the 1970's... rebuild their electrical power industry from the ground up, based on nuclear power. Then it can be done.
LasertopAugust 18, 2015 11:17 pm
100 billion a year so that we can build Windmills in Africa, Hang on to your pocketbooks folks, because the Fleecing is just beginning.
Robin_GuenierAugust 18, 2015 10:30 pm
"All eyes are now on Paris, venue of the 2015 UN climate talks where a new global deal to limit emissions is set to be signed off by nearly 200 countries. If successful, that will broadly see leading developed governments agree to cut carbon pollution by around 30% over the next 15 years, and top emerging economies target a gradual slowdown of their emissions – a trajectory Campanale points out is not one forecast by the oil majors." But is success likely? Let's consider first how the leading developed government's recently announced Climate Plan measures up to the need "to cut carbon pollution by around 30% over the next 15 years." Under the Plan, the US aims - by 2030 - to cut 32% of emissions from burning fossil fuels for electric power generation: measured from 2005. The EIA Annual Energy Review (http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/flow/primary_energy.pdf ) shows that, in 2012, 40% of primary energy came from electric power generation, of which 67% came from fossil fuels. in other words, the Plan is targeting 67% of 40% – i.e. 27% of total US energy consumption. Therefore, as since 2005 15% of the promised 32% has already been achieved (substantially because of the fracking revolution), the Plan envisages a reduction of 17% in power-generated emissions (i.e. the 27%) between now and 2030: in other words, a reduction in total current US emissions of only 4.6%. Therefore, as the US is responsible for 17% of global emissions, the Plan would mean a US contribution of less than 1% to the required 30% global reduction. Clearly that's hopelessly inadequate. And are "top emerging economies" targeting that "gradual slowdown". Er ... no: China and India - the top two - responsible together for 33% of global emissions expect their emissions to grow between now and 2030. It rather looks as though the oil majors' original forecast may have been accurate.
HarroAugust 18, 2015 1:24 pm
Good to hear from you, Sam. From the 'accounting'/emissions gap perspective, you raise a key question, and the risk certainly exists (and one would expect that governments would indeed count emissions reduced within their territories as usual). Therefore, a strong link between such initiatives and the Paris agreement (i.e. through reporting and review of activities in the context of the UNFCCC) would likely prove difficult (and that's not even looking into the politics, with several countries skeptical of all the attention for non-state/subnational action). Yet assessments of these initiatives can also happen outside the UNFCCC context, and can be in the interest of initiatives (enhancing their credibility/reputation). Ideally, such assessments would try to avoid double counting. But the focus on accounting/emissions gap ignores the fact that many of these initiatives' activities cannot be captured in CO2 emission reductions, and would discount the important symbolic role played by them (i.e. climate action is already happening by a wide variety of actors).
Doug HoffmanAugust 17, 2015 10:13 pm
So let them live coal free lives, shut off the power to their homes.
Calamity_JeanAugust 17, 2015 10:01 pm
That's to be expected; it's an El Nino year and all of those are very low in hurricanes. Depending on how long the El Nino lasts, 2016 or 2017 will have a lot.
Calamity_JeanAugust 17, 2015 9:58 pm
No, if you look closely there's a decimal point. Varney wrote that 2014 was not quite seven tenths of a Centigrade degree warmer than normal on average over the whole earth. Different parts of the globe warmed by different amounts. In general, the equator warmed a bit less because it was already very warm, and the poles warmed more. This is why Greenland and Antarctica are melting so much; they warmed by enough to change large areas from just below freezing to just above freezing.
Calamity_JeanAugust 17, 2015 9:49 pm
Well, no. The heat is only trapped in the ocean temporarily. Eventually there is an El Nino and the heat comes back out.
Calamity_JeanAugust 17, 2015 9:37 pm
Well, there's Miami Beach Florida, where sea water comes up the storm drains onto the street twice a day as high tide approaches. Clip #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7gbjOEsXAg Clip #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou_irbB9fyc Clip #3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JbzypWJk64 And there's Bangladesh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM1DdoU53cA That's two places. Happy now?
drjjr2001August 17, 2015 7:49 pm
I know that coal is cheap by comparison, but one only has to take a trip to China, where a reported 4,000 people are dying daily due to air pollution. The pollution from coal generation plants in China is so bad that you can't even see the sun. There is no such thing as "clean coal".
Enviro Equipment, Inc.August 17, 2015 4:52 pm
I understand that reactors built with current technology produces only a fraction of the nuclear waste all the styles reactors did but nevertheless, the question remains what are European countries going to do with all the additional waste these reactors will produce?
nigelfAugust 17, 2015 1:34 pm
The Phillipines Gov. is doing what's best for them...going with what works and is cheap while at the same time playing the climate victim game and demanding cash from the rich stupid countries. I'll be glad when this stupid game is over and put back on the shelf.
ilma630August 17, 2015 7:37 am
All 5 will allude to the impossible, 'scientific integrity at the expense of political will', and predictably fail dismally.
RobertVincinAugust 16, 2015 11:05 am
11/10 for your stand, you are the historians of tomorrow! Climate Change is the symptom. A Paris Plan based on decades of growing soil soil-carbon food in deserts reversing poverty CO2e build up. Restart the Earth cycles! The Earth is a Bank of assets, Soil-Water-Vegetation-Atmosphere-Bees, all else, commodities,To present your case demands, verifiable, certifiable irrevocable evidence to table the Plan in Paris! To data; Data; UN advises 50% of the assets are damaged. Bees more than 50% since WW2 the pollinators of all living matter direct and indirect. UN, UK, USA, PRC, AU, report globally their soil will only last 20-60 years. Reparation must follow Natures billions of years of reparation. All living matter depends on soil. Reparation of Earth needs to be akin to a "Corporation" restoring, managing, base assets. Growing soil, soil-carbon in deserts,- reverses deserts, poverty, CO2e build up and follows UNFCCC 100 year rule is cornerstone see. www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbI8YZmBP8g&feature=youtu.be and how soil, vegetation, atmosphere, water, grew and expanded on a cooled on 3rd planet must apply again see- http://robertvincin2020.wix.com/soil. Supporting data, Charles Dickens 1846 "Pictures from Italy” and other noted authors refer to the bird dropped seed high on the wall grows and the root system manure becomes soil. The Problem is, well meaning folk meet at UN divisions to exchange data, but sadly, no reparation plan. First there was, League of Nations then, United Nations but, they are data collection not solution executive Management. RCC, COE, Muslim, churches are discussing aiding in a management Earth Business Plan. The current consumers of the Bank of Assets borrowed the Planet from your generation! With the assets stripping unabated we await the receiver Nature to move, or, an Executive Board of Directors to administer a reparation plan, and report to the Shareholders (you) their successes) Bless you prepare a case science nature based. Ask questions gather data Without prejudice Robert Vincin
Tom FrederiksenAugust 16, 2015 1:04 am
Climate change is irreversible and there is no practical solutions. No reason to destroy the world economy and realizing miniscule results. The solutions put forth are worse than the problem. Adapt
mike hamblettAugust 15, 2015 7:29 pm
It's important government are not allowed to spin this as an attack on corporate capitalism. This fight is fundamental in the effort to achieve carbon reduction and a sustainable future. It's the next generations' survival. It's far too important to be in the remit of ministers with rich greedy climate change denying friends.
SteveBloomAugust 15, 2015 9:59 am
Note China has no candidate. I think that means they've cut a deal with the U.S. Note also Field's comments at ESA (as reported in EE), pretty much exactly what the Chinese want to hear. The only arguments against Field would be based on scientific chops, and he's heading that one off directly. It's all over but the formal vote IMO.
MSBAugust 15, 2015 4:36 am
The liberals' wet dream. They're stoked right now to see the result of indoctrinated youth around the country marching to their ideology. The climate changes. That's a proven fact. Anthropogenic? Not a chance. But let's just say for a moment that the unscientific leftists are actually correct. They want to reduce C02 emissions and they also want to remove C02 from the atmosphere. But wait just a moment ... they think C02 is hazardous material. Toxic waste. What do they plan to do with the millions of tons of carbon after it gets collected? It doesn't just disappear no matter how hard they wish it to. What's even better, with their attack on coal-fired power plants, they can't even recycle it and send it there to be burned again. The real kicker is that all the filters require energy to work. That means more energy has to be produced just to handle the "waste" material including shipping and storage. Do you know what the whole effect of all this nonsense will be? A cooler earth? Nope. No change whatsoever. The climate will continue to change just as it has throughout the life of the earth. Wasted money. That's the result of this whole anthropogenic climate change farce.
BrianAugust 15, 2015 1:34 am
Since he seems to believe in things that do not exist. Maybe, the President should drop in for a visit with Santa, while he is up there.
Jjj1965August 14, 2015 3:33 pm
Carbon taxes will fix that. Just like 12,000 years ago when the ice age was ending due to warming....right?
Mark ThomsonAugust 14, 2015 1:42 pm
This is a moronic comment! It's like conflating a KKK crime with the wishes of all Christians. It's offensive.
Ruth Anthony-GardnerAugust 14, 2015 4:19 am
Not just threatened islands, everybody worldwide needs to stand with President Tong and demand climate justice.
phiniusAugust 14, 2015 1:50 am
Agree this is a good piece, although it's a total misnomer to lay climate inaction at the feet of two UN agencies (ICAO, IMO). Last time I checked, UN orgs are comprised of States, usually States who have signed one convention or another, and so it's States, acting through the forums in these agencies, who are causing the inaction. I think you'd find that most everyone working in a UN secretariat has very strong and forward-looking views on climate change, but that doesn't mean they can twist the arms of sovereign states when it comes to climate action.
thousanth disquss IDAugust 13, 2015 10:40 pm
The little ant workers you see standing and in their pickups beneath that giant monstrosity thing - are the ones who post out here about concern for birds being killed by wind turbine blades. They're the ones who purport a wind turbine which is a pinwheel blade bolted to a generator motor mounted on a pole and spins endlessly and create free electricity - is 'expensive technology' compared to the 100,000s of gallons of diesel it takes to run that giant digger/stripper continually, the loading of the coal into coal cars, The fuel oil for the mile long coal train to transport the coal to the coal fired plant.... These are the people who purport wind energy is 'expensive technology' - Not even mentioning all the pollution that thing creates, the transport trains it loads - create, And the final burning of the coal. Wind is 'expensive technology" compared to that. Yup.
odin2August 13, 2015 6:55 pm
This is is a attempt to obfuscate hundreds of studies that the sun and solar cycles have a significant effect on the climate. One of theses studies is the CERN cloud experiment that showed that cosmic rays (the intensity of which varies with the intensity of sunspots) help cloud formation on earth.
alex7070August 13, 2015 2:30 pm
Every day virtually every human settlement is bombarded with gigawatts of free solar power that is absorbed by our buildings and then rejected in most place with air conditioning. The maker has seen fit to provide a complete abundance of energy for our use and for all intents and purposes we continue to reject this gift in favor of the destruction of the maker’s many other gifts. By letting solar swing at the gallows again we are destroying any chance at all we have to correct our fateful plunge. We are not simply short sighted but viciously destroying any chance that our children will inherit a stable world. Wake the pilot of this plunging plane up.
GautamAugust 13, 2015 2:24 pm
I agree with Subramanian. India needs to deal aggressively with climate change's adverse impact on India regardless of advanced countries own commitments to addressing climate change. Pollution and related impact on climate change in major Indian cities is approaching crisis levels. On a minor point, Subramanian does not have the right take on U.S. contribution to the IMF quota increase issue. It is not a question of mustering the will to pay a few hundred million dollars which Arvind rightly notes is "chump change" for the US. It is a question of swallowing the bitter pill that the US is no longer as important in the global economy as it once was. An increase in the quota shares of China and India would come mainly at the expense of the United States, something the Republican dominated House and Senate are not willing to consider.
iconickevinAugust 13, 2015 12:37 pm
My last information when I made my profile picture was that there were 1200 coal fired powerstations either underconstruction or in the planning stages. This article says 2000. The president of Kiribati like most indigenous people cries out in vain yet again as the West chucks them under the abrupt climate change bus. Any one who thinks realistic action will be done to halt the 6th great extinction isn't paying attention.
newsstandwestAugust 13, 2015 4:06 am
The United States whose breadbasket has received bountiful rainfall would do well to give greatly from our overflowing abundance of food supply to the Sahel region. As for other countries who instead have the financial means yet whose food supply has been diminished by drought it is the place for the USA to offer our food commodities for the amount the farmer paid for the seed crops.
josephAugust 13, 2015 2:54 am
The probblem is without that the whole thing is not economically viable. Hell india herslef dont have money to build 175 GW of renewable by 2022. When emmission cut on industries is met with opposition how can u expect a country with such high interest rate, poor infrastructure to force its companies to cut emmission. It will destroy indian economy.
Lyle StevickAugust 13, 2015 2:17 am
The 2/3 = 2C is true in a static world, one where we fail to develop global cooling. Global cooling can be done trough cloud formation. Here are three possible methods of cloud formation. The first is the chemical contrail method we are most likely currently attempting to use, while denying it every inch of the way. Secondly, evaporate seawater in greenhouses, create a warm humid air stream, send it up a mountain, then a tower. Condense some at the top, let the rest turn into clouds. Along the way generate electricity and water, and grow food. Third, a large man made open ocean current that follows the Pineapple Express route, and creates a large plum of warm ocean water off the coast of California.
Martha Elizabeth TureAugust 13, 2015 1:52 am
You are not going live very long without plants, Babe.
climatehawk1August 12, 2015 9:16 pm
Hear, hear--this is an enormous and welcome shift toward constructive thinking.
climatehawk1August 12, 2015 8:44 pm
Gaswashing.
NicholBAugust 12, 2015 9:59 am
For the co-chairs it is all about being able to get a deal at the end, one that is not too clearly a total failure. But if we end up passing the 2ºC, or the point near it where climate change will just continue unstoppably by itself.. then that will be total failure. For sure. The longer we wait, the harsher cutbacks in the future will need to be. Beginning with the closure of new coal power plants, even before they produced much power. Just because we continued building them.
RichWallAugust 12, 2015 6:33 am
Science evolves.
MaggieAugust 12, 2015 4:50 am
Not going for it. People are more important than plants. It used to be that popes cared about souls and salvation and 'old fashioned' stuff like that... Where are our Shepherds?
zencyclerAugust 11, 2015 11:43 pm
Here's my question - so if the "science of climate change" has been "settled" for awhile now, as some claim - then why would this study be needed? Assuming the conclusions are correct, then will the claim now be that it was almost settled before, but now that this study it is in, it is finally, completely settled? So in other words, for the last few years, when I've heard the "debate was over" and the "science was settled", it wasn't really true. But if I'm told that now - NOW I should believe it?
MaggieAugust 11, 2015 9:44 pm
Not too excited about this. Will let it pass. We do not 'sin against the earth'; sin is an offense against God.
EdAugust 11, 2015 9:36 pm
Unfortunately for the mm global warming crowd most people today realize that "scientific judgement" as you call it, has been transformed into political or ideological dogma. The reason based "observations" don't fit the mmgw narrative so we end up with data sets that have been "adjusted" to account for various inconsistencies to the point that real world observations no longer line up with the computer modeling.
EdAugust 11, 2015 9:29 pm
What ? You rambled in and out of differing topics with no coherent message...
EdAugust 11, 2015 9:28 pm
Hundreds of species going extinct every month ? seriously ? are you just making this stuff up as you go ? I think you're selling your story a bit too hard...try to tone down the rhetoric a bit
BuddyGCAugust 11, 2015 5:51 pm
You are right Astonomers have no stake in climate change That's why Climate scientists were appointed to the team for collobrating sun spot measurements. They knew the answer first It was just a matter of calibrating to fit
RHO1953August 11, 2015 5:37 pm
We can neither save or destroy the planet. It is going to be here long after mankind. The worst we can do is temporarily change its surface. It will cycle through another glacial period again and there will be no trace that we existed.
uscitezen63August 11, 2015 5:03 pm
Common sense here people. If you turn the thermostat up temp in house goes up IE more sun spots more radiated energy. You turn it down IE less sun spot activity means less radiated energy. You can not change Physics but you can always play around with statistics.
AussieAugust 11, 2015 4:49 pm
Agreeing on a global carbon tax (GCT) before the Paris meeting will go a long way towards solving the global CO2 emissions problem. Leading companies want a certainty to plan for emission curbs provided by a GCT. Global leaders could agree on a mutually acceptable GCT level before the Paris meeting. An agreed GCT plus published national intended actions on climate change would lead to success at Paris, as this would leave time for discussions on solutions without the need for finger-pointing.
AndyAugust 11, 2015 4:11 pm
How ridiculous, the climate hasn't changed in nearly 20 years which certainly puts an end to the global warming debate or global warming creating climate change. It is now clearly documented that CO2 is not the culprit and in fact the increase in CO2 has greened the planet, because plants like it. Drop the CO2 and the plants will die. The latest research states that the sun is the driver of the climate and already solar scientists last week predicted based on sun activity that we would be heading for a mini ice age by the end of 2020. When the media start printing balanced information about both sides of the debate and politicians also get all the facts then there might be an end to the lunacy of carbon pollution.
odin2August 11, 2015 3:50 pm
Censorship is a certain sign of weakness.
Oso_PoliticoAugust 11, 2015 1:06 pm
Do they make straight jackets for Popes?
Robin_GuenierAugust 11, 2015 10:59 am
Once again we have all these howls of fury directed at a Western country (even the EU is not exempt) that is at least doing something about its emissions. Yet the truth is that, if those so quick to anger were really serious about GHG reduction, they would be directing that anger in particular at China. Just consider a few facts: (1) China is, and has been for several years, the world's top GHG emitter - today responsible for approaching 30% of global emissions - more than the US and EU combined; (2) its per capita emissions exceed those of the EU (e.g. 7.33 tonnes per capita compared to 7.19 for the UK); (3) unlike the US and EU (and now Australia), it has declined to make any commitment to emission reduction - instead indicating a "peak" in about 15 years time (i.e. its already huge emissions will continue to rise for another decade or so) ; (4) it declines to define at what level it intends to establish that peak; (5) it declines to state what is likely to happen after the peak is attained (will emissions stabilise or decline?); (6) it opposes any suggestion that its "pledge" should be binding; (7) it opposes any suggestion of verification; (8) it insists on retaining its status as a "developing" country; and (9) its UN "pledge" is contingent on developed countries (i.e. the West) providing financial support to developing countries, at a scale starting at $100 billion in 2020 and increasing thereafter - something it knows is almost certainly unacceptable. Yet, despite all this, so many commentators simply ignore it while castigating Western governments that are doing something. Why?
edwardleodaveyAugust 11, 2015 10:05 am
Good piece. Would it be legitimate for the UNFCCC/ICAO to consider a mechanism whereby the (inevitable) expected growth in aviation emissions, however undesirable, and however much we must seek to keep it as low as possible, be 'offset' or 'mitigated' to some degree through an aviation levy for REDD+? Or not...?
SamAugust 11, 2015 7:24 am
Harro - thanks. Is there a risk emissions reductions from non governmental initiatives will be double counted? I.e. if government support is needed to support and maintain such initiatives, won't government's simply count them towards their own INDC? Or within the Paris framework are such initiatives to be treated as genuine extras that will help close the emissions gap? Sam (a former student of yours!)
RHO1953August 11, 2015 5:17 am
I have a little clue for you; the planet will survive no matter what. It will still be here long after we have been ground into nothing by the next glaciation cycle. This idiocy of pretending the planet is at risk of destruction is moronic. It will continue its cycles with or without us. We are fleas on the back of a mammoth.
1GentlemanLen1August 10, 2015 5:31 pm
I did not say CO2 'is' inert - I said it is rendered 'inert' by UV rays, hydrogen and chlorophyll...
ParasamGateZeroAugust 10, 2015 4:20 pm
How about just solar, since it friggin' works? Or even just nuclear, since it friggin' works fantastically and could power our homes for a billion years? Is it not enough that we have a renewable technology and a carbon neutral technology that can solve all our problems? Do we really have to come up with new technologies just so we'll have more problems?
chaos123August 10, 2015 12:03 pm
It's the British sense of humour - the programme is meant to be funny. I certainly found it so.
Lorcan BondaAugust 9, 2015 8:42 pm
I live in Tampa. We did get through about three weeks of abnormally heavy rain. Some lowlying areas with poor drainage were flooded, but I can't recall anything that was close to six feet. Even at that -- most of the drainage problems were pretty mundane. The city simply hasn't kept up on the maintenance. The plan to fix it involves -- "Street sweeping would take place every other month, not every three months. Ditches and pipes would be cleaned every seven years instead of once every 10 years. Outfalls to Tampa Bay would be unclogged every five years, not every 15 years." As far as the German miracle. They love to plug the headlines such as "85% of power came from solar & wind," but that headline is filled with distortions. If solar or wind is available, the electric grid is required to use it. They still need fossil fuels to fill in the periods between. "...statistics on Germany’s electricity sector for the whole of 2012 are now in, and when you look beyond the cherry-picked hype, the results are dismal and disquieting. Despite massive construction of new capacity, electricity output from renewables, especially from wind and solar, grew at a sluggish rate. Germany is indeed avoiding blackouts—by opening new coal- and gas-fired plants. Renewable electricity is proving so unreliable and chaotic that it is starting to undermine the stability of the European grid and provoke international incidents. The spiraling cost of the renewables surge has sparked a backlash, including government proposals to slash subsidies and deployment rates. Worst of all, the Energiewende made no progress at all in clearing the German grid of fossil fuels or abating greenhouse emissions—nor is it likely to for at least a decade longer."
AGT TacticalAugust 9, 2015 1:31 pm
Global warming also DECREASES the overall size of deserts. Warmer temps means more moisture carried in the atmosphere, and more rain. Global cooling increases the size of deserts... Yes, the hottest places are earth are deserts...BUT the most dry and largest deserts are in cold regions. The largest desert on Earth is the Antarctic Desert, with a total size of 13.8 million square kilometers. The second largest desert is the Arctic, with 13.7 million square km. The third largest desert in the world is the more familiar Sahara, with a total size of 9.1 million square km.
BillBashamAugust 9, 2015 3:58 am
They aren't sufficiently scientifically literate when they back climate change claims either.
Matt LAugust 9, 2015 3:01 am
Except this opposing view is demonstrably false.....so.......
Matt LAugust 9, 2015 2:58 am
Nice strawmen!
Matt LAugust 9, 2015 2:54 am
When science is ignored, the conclusions are invalid.
Marilyn M.August 9, 2015 12:38 am
I am very proud of my country for taking this step. It is about time.
Paul454August 8, 2015 10:05 pm
Well Varney, you seem to not be aware that the so-called "carbon footprint" required to make a solar panel is actually greater than the equivalent amount of combusted fossil fuels which it seeks to replace. Its a funny thing when rare earth metals are needed in its construction! By the way, solar is a good back up plan and offers much in the way of relief. It is not to be shunned, but cannot be primary. Add to that the fact that both solar and wind power are both intermittent sources of energy, then what is your reliable plan for public energy which cannot go down, like hospitals, police service, fire-fighting service, and transportation? Yes it seems to me that you have had your helping of environmental fascist Kool Aid and are not being rational, as many eco-fascists seem in such discussions. Right now, combustion of fossil fuels is more reliable and cheaper. That is why it is used.
Dink ShwinkerAugust 8, 2015 8:23 pm
Ask global warming fans how much heat in the form of sunlight lands on one square meter of earth. They won't know. They never know important particulars.. Government paid scientists and politicians like Al Gore don't want you to know the details. They just want you to view and feel sorry for the fuzzy polar bears. Without cheating, do you know what albedo is? Most people do not know that it is the percent of sunlight absorbed and the percent reflected back into space. It's the most important word in global warming. On the average, solar gain is 342 Watt-Hours per square meter of ground. That's one space heater running full blast for every car sized parking spot on earth running 24 hours, 7 days a week. I'm rightfully skeptical that the bar-b-que grill on the next block over 6 hours per month in the summer is causing global warming.
BuggerthatAugust 8, 2015 3:59 pm
The oil companies are trying to put some public distance from coal and the propaganda campaign funded by the fossil fuel industry. It is all a show.
drklassenAugust 8, 2015 1:42 pm
Weather forecasting is only an "art" insofar as it has to consider very small-scale inputs and boundary conditions that would take years of computational time. And most of the "wrong" forecasts, aren't; please, show us documentation of the 10% chance of rain that became a 4 hour deluge. And then tell us how that invalidates the "10% chance". Science is NOT a collection of facts. Science is the practice of determining reason and cause behind the collection of facts. Climate science does that, and does a very good job at it.
drklassenAugust 8, 2015 1:38 pm
No, it hasn't.
drklassenAugust 8, 2015 1:38 pm
Scientific judgement is not "opinion". It is reasoning based on observation. CO2 is not inert.
drklassenAugust 8, 2015 1:36 pm
Where is this so-called evidence?
drklassenAugust 8, 2015 1:36 pm
"The temperature readings I consider most accurate..." And by what educational or research authority to you come by your "consideration"? Those measurements do not show "no Global Warming" because those measurements alone can't tell you about global warming.
oldmanAugust 8, 2015 1:21 pm
You forgot to mention, electric vehicles, that are charged off the grid! Fuel is needed to power a vehicle, be it battery operated or fossil fuel operated. The difference is the waste created by the transmission of energy, it is less wasteful to create and use energy at the point where it is needed, that is basic science!
oldmanAugust 8, 2015 12:51 pm
The theory that the earth is flat, and the sun revolves around the earth, were the settled science of their day, true science is never settled!
alex7070August 8, 2015 12:44 pm
Since large scale marine life is now behaving erratically to survive in their final years or months of extinction one can surmise these lawn mower like blades are likely to result in even more tragedy. Capturing the energy of wave action with swaying forms or magnetic fields would be a great deal less risky and probably a great deal less costly to build and operate.
AnAverageJoeAugust 8, 2015 5:46 am
You really believe that the temp increased by over 6 degrees C over this period? Really? That is what your Chart implies. Wow, do you really understand what they are saying?
StanleyAugust 8, 2015 5:41 am
CO2 may be a coolant in the earths' atmosphere. Its definitely a greenhouse gas in a greenhouse. IE it is very effective at trapping low temperature thermal radiation. Just a little bit traps all the low temperature radiation coming from the planet earth. As you add more it absorbs faster. A green house is very small in comparison to the earth's atmosphere that is why it heats up. In the atmosphere though temperature rise is a function of the atmospheres heat capacity. CO2 stores heats effectively being heavier that air. So same heat in has to cause a cooling effect. IE the air is cooler than it would be other wise. This make as much sense as the special treatment of CO2 in the mathematical models everyone touts as proof of man made global warming but this is a very special theory with the CO2 behaving in just a right theoretical way. So man made global warming is truly that.. The whole idea was made up by men to control man. So if you believe stop using fossil fuels. Donate money to Al Gores' carbon credits. Give money to Barrack. He really needs it. Tough to live on the money he makes these days. Eventually he will have to pay for the 747 to fly him around. He wants to be like Al Gore with his own CO2 belching private jet. Don't worry he plants a tree every time he flies in his plane.
AnAverageJoeAugust 8, 2015 5:12 am
Just a reminder that water in Tampa was a result of the local weather. As most of you warmest like to claim about the cooling over the last 2 winters. Meanwhile Germany had one day out of a year where the wind produced 75% of its electricity, where the yearly figures indicate that they are lucky to have 20% to 25% production from wind in spite of the fact that most of the wind generating capacity remains idle. exacerbated by the fact that the coal fired plants run at idle burning coal and producing CO2 in case the wind don't blow. And they made the commitment to shutter all their nuclear plants after Fukishima. Great timing, so they are building more coal plants. And btw businesses are moving out of Germany due to the high cost of electricity there. So your screed against the Republicans is bovine excrement. When the leader of the Socialist Party of America Claims the he will tame Global warming, but our energy bills will necessarily rise. I ask who pockets this extra cash from the pockets of the people. We do pay for it all through runaway price rises. Who benefits, and science can not predict what part CO2 plays. If the sun were to quit today how long would it take to freeze the planet, or is that nasty CO2 going to keep us warm. Science says that an overwhelming amount of the energy coming into our open system comes from the sun.. And what is not converted into work here naturally on the planet is returned to space. CO2 can not add any energy into our system because what it absorbs and re-emits originated from the sun. CO2 just slows the escape of that radiation it absorbs.
Mike S.August 8, 2015 4:45 am
Great article, Laurence! It seems like the Pope is on the verge of "getting it" on Cap & Share. A few months ago there was a photo of Bill Clinton holding a copy of Peter Barnes' book "With Liberty and Dividends for All." Where will the next breakthrough come from? Maybe in Paris everyone will suddenly agree to it as if it has been obvious all along.
artificialpalmAugust 8, 2015 4:19 am
Kudos to BBC for not mindlessly regurgitating biased UN garbage. The "research" of any organization with a hidden agenda is always suspect, and the UN is nothing more than a complex maze of hidden agendas driven by rogue nations looking for a handout.
mbee1August 8, 2015 3:30 am
NOAA measures ocean rise with tidal gauges. Johnston Atoll a stable piece of rock in the pacific shows a rise trend of 3 inches in 100 years, NASA planning for fiscal purposes uses 5 inch of rise by 2100 AD which is similar. All the other greater rises are due to different causes like continental rebound from the ice age or ground water pumping. Tampa is ground water pumping, NC is rebound and in the coastal cities ground water pumping. A very slight rise is due to melting ice in Greenland. However, Greenland sea ice was at near record levels this year so it was colder not warmer which means less melt water not more. all the other predictions are just tea leaves maybes. As to Germany where do you think the power comes from at night and when the wind does not blow? From French nuclear plants and that 85 percent number so for a day in one week all the rest of the time the number is a lot less. The peons, you and me in Germany pay twice what the rest of europe pays on average for the power to subsidize German industry which pays a much lower rate than the citizens.
mbee1August 8, 2015 3:20 am
A wonderful show.
WakeAugust 8, 2015 3:04 am
It is extremely important to understand that the IPCC's report claims to be the work of some 12,000 peer reviewed papers. But in fact at a minimum one third of these "papers" have never been reviewed at all. Let alone by peers. And many more of the papers are not papers at all but dissertations and not real scientific papers at all. So they are starting off with a lie. It is also important to understand that two things prevail - NONE of the temperature changes that have occurred are outside of the NORMAL limits. And they are playing games with values that are less than the possible measurement errors. Thirdly if you look at the data from the Vostok Ice Cores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_core#/media/File:Co2_glacial_cycles_800k.png you can plainly see that warming and cooling over the last 800,000 years is cyclic and we are presently at the top of one of these warm cycles. We are also being challenged with all sorts of stupid excuses. They respond that the 800 years lag between temperature changes and CO2 isn't significant because what it means is that the CO2 is caused by the temperature changes only for the first 800 years and for the rest of the 5000 year cycle it is the CO2 causing the temperature changes. Even though the charts show differently. The fact is that you can not make enough comedy at the expense of the IPCC especially when the head of the IPCC was quoted as saying that the IDEA of Climate Change isn't about weather changes but about redistributing global wealth. Communism anyone?
tonyduncanAugust 8, 2015 2:41 am
most o what you are saying is not accurate. why do you consider RSS the "most accurate". Each approach to measuring temps has positives and negatives. RSS shows warminb and it shows the last two years increasing as well, If not as much as 3 o the other main sources. Jax, NASA , Noaa. arguing that the rise has not been commensurate with the increase in Co2 ignores natural variations, exactly the thing the climate skeptics point too when temps increase. You can't have it bothe ways. there have been numerous studeis showing that this natural factors have suppressed the warming due to C02. and tempsa re N0T below what signal estimates said was possible. Most climate deniers ignore that Hansen's original estimates were based on a sensitivity of C02 being over 4 and almost no ones considers that realistic anymore. that is disingenious
Engineer66August 8, 2015 2:39 am
Of course Shell is for climate change policies...they're wanting rid of their competitor King Coal..
Andrew RynearsonAugust 8, 2015 1:28 am
What about the 200 year period in 2000 BC where it was much hotter than it was today? Where were the coal plants in that historical fact?
Andrew RynearsonAugust 8, 2015 1:26 am
He says this as the largest one of the season makes landfall. HAHAHA stupid turd.
handofzeusAugust 8, 2015 12:43 am
My problem is not so much with the science, but with the liberal media the science is filtered through. When the media has an obvious liberal bias, it's impossible to trust anything they report--including climate change. For example it has not escaped my notice that when the Summers are unusually long and hot, that is reported as proof of climate change. But when the Winters are horribly long and abnormally cold, that's just "weather" and I'm branded a right-wing Neanderthal for even mentioning the blizzards in November. It's a pattern of bias. What I need--what we all need--is direct access to the science without CNN et al.
Jack the RoosterAugust 8, 2015 12:02 am
Mainstream "science" said the world was flat and the sun revolved around it. Nothing has changed concerning mainstream "science's" arrogance. Government funded "scientist" determined marijuana was a dangerous substance as addictive as heroin and cocaine with no useful purpose, turns out it has many beneficial medical and non-medical uses and is relatively harmless, even when smoked. Mainstream "science" is suspect at best.
Anne Marie HenryAugust 7, 2015 11:53 pm
it's nice to know we have 2 billion for climate change but we don't have 2 billion to reduce the crime rate or get better healthcare.
ppiaseckAugust 7, 2015 10:56 pm
they also keep using The thermometer network which is made up of a patchwork of non-research quality instruments that were never made to monitor long-term temperature changes to tenths or hundredths of a degree, and the huge data voids around the world are either ignored or in-filled with fictitious data.' there are only 5000 stations covering approximately 197,000,000 square miles!
Carlos SantiagoAugust 7, 2015 10:52 pm
So? Science is meant to be questioned and it's "truth " changes daily. That said I'm 100 percent behind conservation and taking care of this wonderful creation we find ourselves placed in.
DrMcoyAugust 7, 2015 10:48 pm
I wont be stopping in any more Shell Stations for my gas
Erny72August 7, 2015 8:38 pm
At least radio4 have the nerve to take the piss out of a foolish cause that richly deserves it, even if belatedly and half-heartedly. The predictable rabid response from the gatekeepers smacks of insecurity and the claim that the reporting is in breach of impartiality guidelines is just priceless.
Erny72August 7, 2015 8:03 pm
It would be a global problem if it were any kind of problem; in the meantime the outrageous squander on researching the non-issue and the undermining of affordable/reliable energy availability is a problem today, especially if you are poor. When your grandchildren inherit a world that's squandered it's wealth on a bogey political fashion, wasted it's human resources on a pointless political distraction for three or four decades, a world that's unable to keep the lights on by virtue of having failed to invest in the renewal of the viable elements of a working electrical grid amid the uncertainty of protracted gullible warming policy posturing, then they will not only curse you for letting the estate go completely to seed, they will be wondering how a supposedly developed society was gullible and foolish enough to piss everything up against a wall of pure green crap.
BarryWoodsAugust 7, 2015 7:44 pm
hi Bob - check out the sponsors and partners of RTCC.. Oil companies and mining companies amongst the list...
Erny72August 7, 2015 7:35 pm
mapsguy, even 'fossil fuel dinosaurs' like Shell are lobbying for a price on thin air on the pretence of saving the planet from the hot air affect; in reality it's about saving themselves from the trouble of having to compete with coal producers when selling fuel to generate electricity. Who's awesomely gullible (or perhaps naive is fairer) here?
Philip LeicesterAugust 7, 2015 7:24 pm
Now here's a little fact. CO2, and you are right, is in a sort of dynamic equilibrium; for millenia its been created and lost - into sea-shells and limestone, fossil fuels and back again. CO2 concentration has gone up and down over the eons - everyone knows this. Simple measurements show the equilibrium atmospheric concentration has rapidly edged up towards 400ppm over a few recent centuries from about 280. No-one disputes this. C02 has dipole moments, though not a net one. But it does interact with and absorp electromagnetic radiation of various wavelengths. So it absorps longwave (IR) energy emitted by the planet (blackbody radiation). This creates excited vibrational states of the molecule. It emits absorped energy again in all directions as infra-red. No-one would dispute this. It's A-level / 1st year degree physical chemistry. What happens next is climate change theory. You won't accept it. But the above, well - they're simple facts. They're not opinion or hoax. Just because its natural doesn't mean there's no interesting science going on. Now if you want to contribute start from there; get some simple understanding of the proposed mechanism which the scientists all agree on. Start working with some data, or studying work which supports alternative ideas and tests hypothesis which explain what is going on. We're listening.
slycatAugust 7, 2015 7:12 pm
100% false
slycatAugust 7, 2015 7:08 pm
There is not and never was a pause. Next!
slycatAugust 7, 2015 7:05 pm
"No warming for the past 18 years..." That statement is 100% false.
Old ProAugust 7, 2015 7:02 pm
Yes, climate does change, but the liberal-progressives think that the change is anthropomorphic and that the people causing the change are eveyone but themselves.
KeninmoAugust 7, 2015 6:53 pm
Why are AGW zealots such morons? Offer to redistribute cash in the form of welfare payments. You idiots have been trying to simply justify a way to transfer wealth from the US to a collection of Third World cesspools and Eurocrats for 4 decades.
ppiaseckAugust 7, 2015 6:42 pm
What about the other 179,700 plus Glaciers?
go2greenAugust 7, 2015 6:39 pm
Just as predicted years ago
BrianAugust 7, 2015 6:15 pm
And the private Jets blowing hot air.
skingerAugust 7, 2015 6:13 pm
Idiots thinking they can move the needle on a phantom problem. You're swing at windmills, dudes, swinging at windmills.
BrianAugust 7, 2015 6:11 pm
NO. Climate Change is REAL. The climate is ALWAYS changing. It has been warmer in the past, it has been colder in the past. Other planets also show temperature changes over time... Man-Made Global Warming is a HOAX. (BTW, that is why they changed the wording. You can't deny the climate changes ... it always does ... the hoax is on the human C02 production ... and then enforcing it only on wealthy western states ... ignoring the biggest generators because you can't extort them so easily. )
bobplughAugust 7, 2015 6:10 pm
There are PLENTY of very smart and well known people that do not agree with this whole "global warming" hoax. An MIT Professor is among them... Go ahead - discredit him - he is a REAL climatologist, not some armchair wannabe like those morons at the IPCC... BTW, don't people forget that the EPA itself was caught with its pants down. They refused to accept facts that argued AGAINST the whole climate change scenario and when presented with them said something to the effect that the administration wants to put forth a certain viewpoint and that was what they were going to do. EVERYTHING about Obama is politicized, hidden in secrecy (so much for a transparent administration - that is a real friggin joke), and if you don't agree with you, you're a "denier" or he simply calls you names. This guy has been attempting (and going a great job) at bringing DOWN the US since he took office. He has screwed up (intentionally) everything he has done to date.
Nick697August 7, 2015 5:50 pm
Then there’s this, from the Daily Mail (London). July 2012: Scientists working on the most authoritative study on climate change were urged to cover up the fact that the world’s temperature hasn’t risen for the last 15 [now almost 19] years amid fears it would provide ammunition for deniers of man-made climate change. A leaked copy of a United Nations (IPCC) report, compiled by hundreds of scientists, shows politicians in Belgium, Germany, Hungary and the United States raised concerns about the final draft report to be released to the media. . The report is the result of six years’ work by the IPCC, which is seen by many as the world authority on the extent of climate change and what is causing it – on which governments base their green policies. But leaked documents seen by the Associated Press yesterday revealed deep concerns among politicians about a lack of global warming over the past few years. The German government called for the references to the slowdown in warming to be deleted, saying looking at a time span of just 18 years was ‘misleading’ and they should focus on decades or centuries. Hungary’s worried the report would provide ammunition for deniers of man-made climate change. Belgium’s objected to using 1998 as a starting year for statistics, as it was exceptionally warm and makes the graph look flat - and suggested using 1999 or 2000 instead to give a more upward-pointing curve. The United States delegation even weighed in, urging the authors of the report to explain away the lack of warming using the ‘leading hypothesis’ among scientists that the lower warming is down to more heat being absorbed by the oceans – which have, awkwardly, not got hotter. . The previous IPCC ‘assessment report’ was published in 2007 and has been the subject of huge controversy after it had to correct the embarrassing claim that the Himalayas would melt by 2035, a claim that turned out to be copied from an environmental activist group’s pamphlet. It was then engulfed in the ‘Climategate’ scandal surrounding leaked emails showing scientists involved in trying to manipulate their data to make it look more convincing and conceal what they were doing. The latest report, which runs to 2,000 pages, was shown to representatives from all 195 governments at a meeting in Stockholm, who discussed alterations they want to make. . But since it was issued to governments in June, they have raised hundreds of objections about the 20-page summary for policymakers, which sums up the findings of the scientists, especially that the rate of warming between 1998 and 2012 was about half of the average rate since 1951 – and put this down to natural variations such as the El Nino and La Nina ocean cycles and the cooling effects of volcanoes.
Clayton TurnerAugust 7, 2015 5:48 pm
Al Gore is making the money, and his carbon imprint has increased two fold since inconvenient truth. So...that is who is using the carbon. http://kotaku.com/someone-actually-played-through-all-of-fallout-3-as-a-b-1722578011?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow
leonard boltonAugust 7, 2015 5:45 pm
Bryan Chamberpot -- you're a typical failure. Happens every time I ask it and you warmers can never answer it. The question was WHERE? Name a specific place where the sea is rising and causing a problem instead hiding behind the generality of 8 inches everywhere. lol Name ONE PLACE -- I'll wait
Nick697August 7, 2015 5:37 pm
The IPCC? Don't make me laugh. The IPCC is a government body with government appointees. Some of them are scientists, but most, including the bureaucrats in control, are not. And even those who are scientists tend to work for environmental activist groups such as The Sierra Club, the Environmental Defense Fund, Greenpeace, World Wildlife Fund, etc. (The IPCC has even been exposed as including, verbatim, propaganda handouts from one of these environmental groups in its reports, with bogus claims of snow disappearing from the Himalayas and destruction of rain forests because of global warming - then having to retract them when exposed.) A large proportion of them are young graduate students, not PhDs, chosen because at interview they said they agreed with the IPCC's preconceived results; the also know what is expected of them if they want to keep their jobs. The IPCC in general, scientist and bureaucrats, have an agenda to push. It’s very little objective science. It’s 99 percent politics from an environmental activist agenda. . And the Summary for Policy Makers [the name should give the game away; it means a report to governments that will accord to their stated opinion on climate change. The IPCC knows where its money comes from] that the IPCC non-scientist bureaucrats issue every few years is often in total contradiction to what their own scientists have reported. Unfortunately, in that environment, the facts simply don’t come out if people aren’t doing their own research. If we’re just listening and reading the UN press releases, we’re going to believe that a world exists that is exactly opposite from what the real world really is. , For example: Buried in Page 174, Section 2.2. of the 5th IPCC Report, a summary of five separate reports by IPCC scientist included this: "In climate research and modeling we should recognize that we are dealing with a non-linear and chaotic function, and therefore long-range prediction of future climate states is not possible." An earlier summary by a different group of IPCC scientists said "we cannot find any anthropogenic or human signal in the climate record. It is having no effect on global temperatures as far as we can determine.....No study to date has positively attributed all or part of observed climate change to anthropogenic causes." . After the final draft report had been reviewed, what came out of the IPCC in their Summary for Policy Makers [edited by its non-scientist chairman]? "The body of evidence now points to a discernible human influence on global climate."
John MurrayAugust 7, 2015 5:29 pm
All you need to do to debunk the predictions of the an made climate group is to look at their models and how often they have to adjust them to account for things that were either wrong or missed entirely. Most recent example? The models all said Arctic sea ice would decrease with the increase in CO2 and its associated warming. Well, instead it increased to near record levels. How do they deal with that? They adjust their models until they can make them show an increase in Arctic sea ice instead of a decrease and then claim "Okay, the models are right - now". Any other models that performed as poorly as these have would long ago have been thrown out but instead these are pointed to as if they are omniscient and infallible and we MUST bow to their godlike wisdom.
NickAugust 7, 2015 5:18 pm
The near-universal loss of glacier mass, coupled with the disappearing arctic sea ice is a very strong indicator of a changing climate. It takes tremendous heat to bring solid water at zero C to liquid at zero C. The Antarctic sea ice increase is also a sign of climate change - although it be rather counter-intuitive (it's the ice mass of the entire Antarctic system that is really the issue, and there are strong indicators that too is decreasing). If there were ever a smoking gun for global warming and climate change, the massive net loss of ice is the smoky-est one of all, and there is no other reasonable explanation than human influence.
ThrowAwayAugust 7, 2015 5:10 pm
10th Largest GDP in the world.
jerrystroudAugust 7, 2015 5:09 pm
Where do you think all the wind mills and solar panels are made? Try China. Why? Cheap labor and all the toxic waste products (selenium, cadmium, chromate prducts) are being dumped into the ocean by China. They are turning the Pacific into a giant sewer but you guys are thrilled as long as you think it will reduce Co2 by .01%? Who are the imbeciles again?
jerrystroudAugust 7, 2015 5:03 pm
J_reay, it must be those pesky deniers causing the record cold temps in Canada and the Northeast and record snow falls in Boston?
Duane WeaverAugust 7, 2015 5:03 pm
And the cost of electricity in Germany is three times the cost in the USA.
jerrystroudAugust 7, 2015 5:00 pm
Gregory is 100% correct. Yes, CO2 can be a green house gas, but so can water vapor, methane, and dozens of other gases. When you are in Boston shoveling 6 feet of snow out of drive way and it is -20F, it is hard to agree with the global warming alarmist that children living in 2013 will not know what snow is. It is also hard to convince someone living on the beach in Florida his house will be under water by 2009 when in 2015, the high tide is at the same level as 30 years ago when he bought the house!!
GhawkerAugust 7, 2015 4:58 pm
"Science drenched"??? Science had been drowned long before, as soon as this issue became politicised. True science welcomes dissent, true religion does not.
chuberryAugust 7, 2015 4:50 pm
Would you mind sending us the link to your sources for the claims you have made about Texans? Perhaps you are the one that is gullible in believing BS about Texas rather than the Texans you are insulting.
chuberryAugust 7, 2015 4:48 pm
Where do you get your facts? Germany increased their renewable energy from 6% to 30% of net energy production in 2014. Check it out in Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany At the same time, the cost of energy increased exponentially in Germany and it is now THREE times the cost of electricity in the US. Germany's 'off the grid' efforts are EXTREMELY expensive. http://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys-expensive-gamble-on-renewable-energy-1409106602
Alberto KnoxAugust 7, 2015 4:43 pm
Scientists will never be as witty and entertaining on the radio as celebrities and media professionals. Scientists are generally reluctant to make broad absolute statements of fact. Scientists talk abut degrees of uncertainty and readily admit there is much they do not know. All this,of course, is the opposite of what makes compelling radio. Short easy answers, especially those that confirm the listener is good and blameless, satisfy the masses. "Sleep well. All is in order." Those are comforting words. they need not be true to be satisfying. Here in the States we are angry. All the time. Our media, rather than comically telling us we are good, tells us who to blame. Liberals mostly. We are told liberals and scientists are in league to gay-marry us all to solar powered vegetarians. They say "Follow the Money!" thinking a college professor's research project pays far better than, say, VP of marketing at Exxon/Mobil or Koch Industries. Be comforted or angered by whatever media you enjoy. Learn and believe that you are blameless and everything will be all right. Relax. You'll be dead when your grandchildren starve anyway.
Gregory SuhrAugust 7, 2015 4:19 pm
Virtually every scientist agrees that CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas, the question is whether the effect is significant. If I get into a bathtub the water rises. If I get into the ocean the water rises. In the tub the rise can be significant, in the ocean, not so much. The temperature readings I consider most accurate are the satellite measurements compiled by Remote Sensing Systems, and they show no Global Warming for the past 18+ years. Since atmospheric CO2 levels have continued to rise over that period, there doesn't appear to be a correlation and I think we are looking more at an ocean rather than a bathtub in regards to the significance of CO2. It doesn't help that the current temperatures are well below the bottom of the range predicted by the IPCC in their original Global Warming report. They didn't just miss the prediction, the actually temperatures are below what they said was possible. I have to question the accuracy of their models.
wlwolfeinnmAugust 7, 2015 4:14 pm
You need to pay attention maps. He is saying it would be cleaner to use the money wasted on politically motivated research by the IPCC to install scrubbers and other technologies. The global warming hoaxers have switched to building batteries and buying wind and solar systems from China where ten times the pollution is produced while making these so-called green systems.
DrTorchAugust 7, 2015 4:11 pm
Climate charlatans block "opposing point of view" all the time, as evidenced in climategate emails and elsewhere. We've heard the fear-mongering of the alarmists, ad nauseum. Yet whiny Ed King is upset, not that BBC broadcast untruths, but rather that they turned the tables while pointing out real inconvenient truths.
nyrncAugust 7, 2015 4:02 pm
Really? "deniers" have shown the climate change cult's lies, proven their stuff is junk science, and shown enough evidence to cause the cult to change the name three times. Keep picking the beans for the leader.
DONAugust 7, 2015 4:00 pm
did you even read the no. 4?
darthusurpusAugust 7, 2015 3:54 pm
Well, I've rested now and I still can't make heads or tails of it. Care to sum it up for me?
VarneyAugust 7, 2015 3:53 pm
I don't think the scientist at NASA who predicted this in the 1970's with extreme accuracy was thinking 'conspiracy theory' based on the rising average temperature of the planet based on CO2 and CH4. The people who think this is a political scam and conspiracy are sadly mistaken. UN or not it is a GLOBAL problem. Your great grandchildren will curse you for eternity.
Rolf WestgardAugust 7, 2015 3:51 pm
And the sun does drive our weather, not one part in 2500 of CO2 in the atmosphere.
1GentlemanLen1August 7, 2015 3:48 pm
There can be NO separation of 'fact from opinion' - because 100% of the entire debate/argument is saturated with nothing but OPINION from those people who call themselves scientists! There is no science - further what little, coherent, thought, comes from the eco-terrorist crowd - is exaggerated, filtered, skewed, distorted, and outright falsified. 'Climate change' is a global, political, HOAX - on a grand scale. None of it is true. Here is ONE FACT - which is being ignored by the 'hoaxers' - C02 is a naturally produced gas which is consumed, and rendered inert, at the same rate at which it is produced. In fact the natural 'earth' is capable of consuming EVEN MORE CO2 than is being produced. CO2 emissions are not now, now has it ever been a problem...
VarneyAugust 7, 2015 3:44 pm
ALL THIS FOR 0.6 degrees which is 6x what you said. But you can't really understand the ramifications. Tragically your progeny will never know that you were part of the problem. Top 10 Warmest Years (NOAA)(1880–2014)Rank,Year,Anomaly °C 2014- 0.692 2010- 0.652 2005- 0.654 1998- 0.635 2013-.0.625 2003- 0.627 2002- .618 2006- 0.609 2009- 0.599 2007 0.59
rusty57August 7, 2015 3:40 pm
It's a good thing the only warming we are seeing is in the climate models else we'd really be in trouble!
VarneyAugust 7, 2015 3:38 pm
Solar energy from the sun does drive everything on this planet. CO2 and CH4 drive the reflectivity of the infrared light (heat) that is reflected back in greater quantity when the CO2 and CH4 levels rise. The right wing gibberish is absurd at this point. Trying to equate the words 'solar energy' vs. solar panel' or 'solar energy' for electricity is similar to the insanity that Frank Luntz created during the Kyoto protocol under Bush Sr. with the words 'climate change' (an arbitrary term, as we all know climate changes constantly) to replace global warming ( a specific term to describe the rising average temperature on the planet).
VarneyAugust 7, 2015 3:32 pm
Why are the Republican imbeciles so stupid? Offer to W. Virgina, Kentucky, Wyoming, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, Texas, jobs making solar panels and wind mills. You fools have been propping up the caveman combustion fossil fuel industries for 100 years.
BitterjackAugust 7, 2015 3:30 pm
Oh, and "The Met Office was part of a conspiracy, argued maverick weather presenter and climate sceptic Piers Corbyn, who says solar energy not carbon dioxide drives global warming or cooling." Is an opposing View from a scientist
akabillybobAugust 7, 2015 3:29 pm
The pollution comes for satisfying the demands of YOU. If YOU weren't consuming, there would be no pollution. Remember, your desires pollute our planet. And this goes for every one of us.
VarneyAugust 7, 2015 3:29 pm
The earth is FLAT according to denialists, while we watch 6ft. of water on the streets of Tampa, there goes another dolphin. Meanwhile Germany had 85% of their power to the grid supplied by solar and wind a week ago while the fools in the USA are stuck at 5% and burning coal and petrol like cavemen. The problem is that US Republicans think it is all about power and money and that nothing can be scientifically correct unless it has a catch to make a buck. Sadly that is not the situation and the irresponsibility of a once great political party the GOP has become an international joke. The longer this political party in the US denies what has become more than obvious, in fact it is like getting punched in the face everyday, the less chance humans on this planet will have to survive the inevitable runaway climate rise.
BitterjackAugust 7, 2015 3:29 pm
there is peer reviewed science. however, the AGW cult does everything it can to keep it buried. Remember Willie Soon and Valentina Zharkova? Absolutely none of their work was criticized.
akabillybobAugust 7, 2015 3:25 pm
When science is politicized, the data are invalid.
BitterjackAugust 7, 2015 3:25 pm
Except NASA has admitted that the amount of heat absorbed by the oceans isn't enough to explain the pause in global warming.
Craig ReynoldsAugust 7, 2015 3:21 pm
Nice to see that the US does not have the nut monopoly. But then, small in number as that group may be, they're somehow controlling the discussion and the legislation that seek to address the oncoming global catastrophe.
chestertonrulesAugust 7, 2015 3:06 pm
Good point. In addition, increasing CO2 levels lead to increased plant growth rates, which leads to increased CO2 consumption, etc.
chestertonrulesAugust 7, 2015 3:00 pm
The left dominates this issue by flooding the airwaves with propaganda. We need some balance. Tens of thousands of scientists don't share the views held by the government sponsored scientists who are promoting the hysteria.
Stephen WilkinsAugust 7, 2015 2:59 pm
Science is real whether you believe it or not, 25% of the adults in Texas who will be not only raising children but are entitled to vote for president of America believe the sun revolves around the earth, further, 75% of the population of Texas, which is the 15th largest GDP in the world maintain that we plowed our fields with dinosaurs hitched to a plow ... so, global warming aka climate change is real, just as real as an earth that has revolved around the sun for billions of years ... it will be a generational climate pattern change, we won't be here, neither will our children but events today have already shaped the climate patterns of tomorrow ... "weather you like it or not" ... (had to toss that in :)
JoeAugust 7, 2015 2:59 pm
"man" caused climate change, is just one more on the list of what you can't have an intelligent conversation about.
EdAugust 7, 2015 2:53 pm
And yet when your team decries the horror of a hurricane and attempts to place the blame, as they invariably will, for the hurricane on mans carbon footprint, you'll nod your head and play along. You can't have it both ways...despite your best attempts to always do so...either all local events are "weather" or they are "climate"...including all of the cherry picked pieces of climate you use to support your assertions of man made change.
Friar BuckAugust 7, 2015 2:51 pm
You cannot get anything past liberals, the climate does indeed change.
Tony OnstedAugust 7, 2015 2:49 pm
Your are half right. Deniers don't have to offer an opposing view, or peer reviewed studies... that part is correct. We don't have a theory. The alarmist do. AGW or ACD or whatever you want to call it, isn't a Scientific Theory. Scientific theories make predictions that are falsifiable, period. That's it. AGWACDwhatever... doesn't make predictions anymore. They did, but they almost all failed. Like they predicted more frequent and intense hurricanes... etc. See, science doesn't really work the way you think it does... "AGW must be false if __________ occurs." What goes in that blank? If nothing goes in that blank, then it DOESN'T mean it is then fact. It means it isn't Science. Let me give you an example. "The boogeyman must be false if ________ blank occurs." See? In the 90's there were actual experiments simulating the Greenhouse Affect in labs. During these experiments certain things happened in the Lab that were so consistent, that they were predicted to be seen as the Greenhouse Affect continued to increase our temperature. The evaporation rate always increased in their experiments, and the upper layers of the lab always began to warm first. So early in the 90's they predicted we would see an increase in evaporation rates, and an increase in temps in the upper troposphere. The exact opposite is happening all over the world. Here is a Scientific Theory. Einsteins Theory of Relativity. "The theory of relativity must be false if the stars do not appear to change their position by x degrees (he actually gave the amount the starts would appear to move) during a total solar eclipse." That is a Scientific Theory. So no more predictions.... now they want consensus... just agree already. It really doesn't work like that. Science is simple, elegant, and extremely rigid. Their scientist need to make predictions... Their latest prediction... get this. Disruption. That hilarious because all we find in the climate record is disruption. See how they have convinced you to lower the bar for them? There is no mention of current falsifiable prediction parameters. None. Oh, and before you go arguing with me about what a Scientific Theory is... just go look it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
clubberlangeAugust 7, 2015 2:47 pm
It isn't just Climate Science, basically all science is now politically driven. The alarmist's greatest weapons are models that have been universally shown to be wrong. Their greatest tactic is to attack skeptics by mockingly referring to them as deniers, as if the Alarmist Religion is the only one that matters. They attack skeptical science by attacking the funding source, not the science, when in reality the Alarmist's governmental funding is the equivalent of a crack addiction.
George TsokanisAugust 7, 2015 2:39 pm
weather forecasting is considered an "art"We all have scorned the weatherman for the "10% chance of rain" that in reality turns into a 4 hour torrential rain ruining are best laid plans.Meanwhile,climate research is considered a "science" or an absolute fact.Science facts are absolute.Water boils at certain temp within it's own variables.Two different masses dropped at the same time will reach the ground at the same time.Correct.Absolute.Science fact.But the problem is when past and future predictions are not accurate or vary widely is that climate science is less an absolute science and more an art ,like beauty ,is in the eye of the beholder.
roland1234August 7, 2015 2:36 pm
You mean like it has always been. I am sure the super typhoon that struck Halseys fleet during WW2 that flipped over destroyers like bathtub toys and tore the front of the flight deck off the Enterprise was caused by coal fired power plants that were running in 2012
KeithAugust 7, 2015 2:34 pm
The very people who are turning blue trying to get carbon taxes say its fine for a huge corporation to pollute as long as they pay for it. So who is making a profit?
huestaAugust 7, 2015 2:33 pm
You refer to it as "a sustained assault on mainstream science". Throughout history, mainstream science has often been laughably wrong. Treating the thoughts of mainstream science as sacrosanct isn't science.
Retired1ceAugust 7, 2015 2:16 pm
The best question I've heard in a long, long time. ROFLMAO!
BillBashamAugust 7, 2015 2:11 pm
The accuracy of the science is on a par with the accuracy of the favorite constantly uttered phrase 'Carbon emissions'.
mapsguy1955August 7, 2015 2:05 pm
Another intelligent quote confusing climate and weather. Do you think that because the Atlantic Basin hurricane season is slow, that it is everywhere else?
mapsguy1955August 7, 2015 2:02 pm
Conservatives are to conservation as liberals are to giving it all away.
mapsguy1955August 7, 2015 2:00 pm
Who worships settled science? I think you are confusing the scientific process with religious mythology.
mapsguy1955August 7, 2015 1:58 pm
So, I'm guessing that you are in favor of mandatory restrictions on childbirth, maybe like the Chinese? Or, you just don't care about the 100s of species going extinct every month. Or, perhaps you just didn't take any science in school so you don't understand the balance in ecosystems. is the only thing important to you, money?
mapsguy1955August 7, 2015 1:58 pm
Your point please?
mapsguy1955August 7, 2015 1:53 pm
With exception of the fossil fuel dinosaurs, virtually all of the remaining large corporations understand that AGW is real and are doing something about it. Your gullibility is awesome!
JungleTrunksAugust 7, 2015 1:53 pm
The problem in the global warming debate is that science went political. Scientists have political views like everyone else, too many of them have signed on as advocates for political change; they're less worried about accuracy and just doing science. There's too much phony peer reviewed science, it's a major quiver in the arsenal of political and media evangelizing because it offers the leveraged assumption of unassailable argument to buttress the global CAGW campaign. It fits in the quiver alongside crafted push polling; demographic analysis and education crafted by identifying hot button motivational issues that stand to foment an affirmative response to change. These things manifest themselves in tailored and universal messaging, an example; “Hell and high water” messaging is an easy sell because it’s already apparent in belief systems and therefore can be exploited. There’s no incentive to conform stringently with the modern scientific method; how does that advance the CAGW narrative? It doesn’t. Therefore don’t change anything is the political force that science is up against. Much of peer review today is manufactured for the purpose of political argument; not scientific argument. Whenever there’s a hole in any AGW argument the special forces science squad takes off their lab coats and put on ghillie suits to plug the hole; presto, a new paper is birthed. A case study is represented in the construct of the highly censored Skeptical Science site that’s used to funnel the uninitiated into it like a manifesto meat grinder; churning out links of evangelists.
mapsguy1955August 7, 2015 1:50 pm
And your point is what? That it is ok to pollute the planet as long as someone makes a profit?
lenhy1August 7, 2015 1:49 pm
I guess I must be one of those 3% that disagree with the UN paid scientists. Most researchers work because of monetary grants and the issuer of said grant has a role in what biases will be inputted into these research articles.
lenhy1August 7, 2015 1:44 pm
Please get out of the sun. The effects of El Nino in the Pacific result in warmer temps and limited tropical systems in the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic. See the numbers for 1998. Rainfall events help to moderate high temps. The lack of rain has resulted in our experiencing near record temps this summer.
j_reayAugust 7, 2015 1:41 pm
"without offering an opposing view." Deniers don't have to offer an opposing view, or data, or peer reviewed study. They simply demonize the thousands of climate researchers and scientists, their observations and conclusions, and voila they win the argument, at least in their own minds.
lenhy1August 7, 2015 1:39 pm
Yes, you are tired.
EyesWideOpenAugust 7, 2015 1:35 pm
Yeah, I didn't hear that either. It's amazing how the climate alarmist community waters it down to just "climate change" and leaves out the cause they are pushing "man-made climate change" and ignore or even smear any opposing views to that cause. The alarmists don't want to hear any other potential causes other than "man-made" because that's the one that leads to controlling people through political science....laws and regulations. You see it's impossible to legislate against the Sun...
Paul454August 7, 2015 1:31 pm
Sometimes humor is a good way to deal with the absurd and "politically correct". Unfortunately, the IPCC is a political non-scientific organization which has amongst its membership many distinguished scientists, some of which are indeed skeptical of the dire forecasts of these politicians writing the summaries. Their scientific panel is not asked whether they agree with anything, but only asked to write the back story! Many of their former scientists have even dropped off from this ridiculous organization because of its ineptitude. They're apparently not about the actual condition of the planet, but instead about massive wealth transfer from the United States, to be re-distributed amongst the poorer nations of the world. They should probably be disbanded at this point!
EyesWideOpenAugust 7, 2015 1:28 pm
So once again an alarmist journalist (my bad...blogger) attempts to smear scientific dissent of their views of "man-made" climate change by claiming the following: "In the space of 28 minutes it managed – with some elan – to pour scorn on the work of thousands of scientists involved with the UN’s IPCC climate science reports in 2013 and 2014 and rubbish their work, without offering an opposing view." But then within the same writing makes the following statement: "The Met Office was part of a conspiracy, argued maverick weather presenter and climate sceptic Piers Corbyn, who says solar energy not carbon dioxide drives global warming or cooling." That clearly appears to be an opposing view to what's driving climate change is it not.
OrbisAugust 7, 2015 1:18 pm
That quip makes no sense at all. It should be something like "climatologists are to climatonomy as astrologists are to astronomy" So I await your learned thoughts on climatonomy.
whatAugust 7, 2015 1:18 pm
Lets start with this point to get to the heart of the matter, say global warming was created by man. the BILLIONS of money that has been wasted on research, failed green energy and the rest of the wasted time and energy been given to these "coal plant polluters" for better co2/air scrubbers we would 1 be money ahead from a taxpayer stance, 2 lowered energy prices, 3 people not fighting over this, 4 less environmental impact, sorry those battery's, to mine the materials, build, and dispose of, are worse than coal plants, accept it)
burtAugust 7, 2015 12:58 pm
Follow the money
Dan_LefAugust 7, 2015 12:56 pm
Another Hurricane season is shaping up to be very quiet. Uh-Oh another hole in the climate change model.
Dan_LefAugust 7, 2015 12:56 pm
Bravo to the BBC for broadcasting real science and not the junk science of UN Climate Change.
Jack SparrowAugust 7, 2015 12:46 pm
Finally! A little actual journalism from the BBC
NickAugust 7, 2015 12:32 pm
Yeah, that's what I do. For the scientific view, I go to "Lord" Monckton. After all, who would know more than he? Not someone with years of training and research in the discipline, of course.
AndyAugust 7, 2015 12:08 pm
Finally, the other side of the great global warming swindle. At last people are recognizing they are being lied too by the IPCC and have been for years. It can hardly go unnoticed even by the most zealous GW scaremongers that the earth hasn't warmed in nearly 20 years. All the storms, tornado's and typhoons touted by equally biased media as sure signs of GW are as usual and in some cases activity has been declining. The earth is greener because of the increase in CO2 and producing more and now solar scientists predicting a mini ice age coming our way. Any loss in Arctic sea ice will soon be returned when that happens. When alarmists have conferences they will not invite skeptics, but when the skeptics have conferences the alarmists won't go. what does that tell you about the ral science?
FRANKOKAugust 7, 2015 11:31 am
Refs. below - We the USA taxpayers pay $22 billion/year for global warming. Why? NOAA data shows warming is slowing over last 18 years even with large rise in CO2. It is mainly methane and water vapor and wonderful MAMA Nature and her cycles with her honey Mr. Sun, and with water vapor, oceans and volcanoes when she blows her top, and either opens methane holes or blows wind causing a polar vortex or dust storms when she has gas, all as her home the Earth tilts on its axis. See website for Lordmoncktonfoundation Refs. Search: “All This for .01 Degrees Celsius?” “Mind-Blowing Temperature Fraud At NOAA “ “Earth heading for 'mini ice age' in just 15 years, scientists say” “NOAA Scientists Can't Find The Heat, So They Start A Fire” Looks like a cooling trend - see plot in “antarctic-sea-ice-sets-new-high-in-may” “Isn't It About Time Climate Scientists Confessed?’ “Why I am a Climate Change Skeptic” “Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat” “study-climate-models-wrong-global-warming-slowed-natural-variability” “Duke University study looked at 1,000 years of temperature records“ “A Reagan approach to climate change“ “U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare” “Was 2014 the Warmest Year on Record? No, It Wasn’t” "Scientist Confesses: "Global Warming a $22 Billion Scam"" "Natural tilts in earth’s axis cause ice ages, says Harvard geophysicist" "republicans-to-investigate-climate-data-tampering-by-nasa" "Climate Alarmists Grasping at Icicles" "bad_news_for_warmists_sun_has_entered_weakest_solar_cycle_in_a_century" "scientists-balk-at-hottest-year-claims-we-are-arguing-over-the-significance-of-hundredths-of-a-degree-the-pause-continues"
Bryan ChambersAugust 7, 2015 10:18 am
Actually it is. It has risen 8 inches since 1900 and will raise another 8 -16 inches by the end of the century. You don't have the foggiest idea what you are saying.
ernldoAugust 7, 2015 10:18 am
I'm sure its you that's been had...
bubba2001August 7, 2015 10:17 am
"Mocks?" I could do an hour of stand up on G.W.!
ernldoAugust 7, 2015 10:12 am
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. HL Mencken
The Debunker No 2 BSAugust 7, 2015 9:53 am
I'm sure that RTCC realising that their article damages the credibility of climate alarmism, so will immediately correct their article and add a note saying they have done so. (Not by "stealth edit"& deleting comments as sometimes alarmist sites have done in the past)
Paul MatthewsAugust 7, 2015 8:54 am
"The Met Office was part of a conspiracy, argued maverick weather presenter and climate sceptic Piers Corbyn, " No, he did not. Also you use the word "hoax" three times in this article. Did the programme say climate change was a hoax? No. And you have the cheek to talk about guidelines. Where are RTCC's guidelines, for fairness, honesty and impartiality? Who are you accountable to? Who can I complain to about your misrepresentations of the facts?
HugzAugust 7, 2015 8:43 am
Please check the facts before saying something not so intelligent : IPCC, 2014: Climate Change 2014: Synthesis Report. Contribution of Working Groups I, II and III to the Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [Core Writing Team, R.K. Pachauri and L.A. Meyer (eds.)]. IPCC, Geneva, Switzerland, 151 pp. p.40 para. 1.1.1 In addition to robust multi-decadal warming, the globally averaged surface temperature exhibits substantial decadal and interannual variability (Figure 1.1). Due to this natural variability, trends based on short records are very sensitive to the beginning and end dates and do not in general reflect long-term climate trends. As one example, the rate of warming over the past 15 years (1998–2012; 0.05 [–0.05 to 0.15] °C per decade), which begins with a strong El Niño, is smaller than the rate calculated since 1951 (1951–2012; 0.12 [0.08 to 0.14] °C per decade; see Box 1.1). {WGI SPM B.1, 2.4.3}
dstresenAugust 7, 2015 8:20 am
What a waste of time , the biggest ghg is water and tell me how you are going to control H2O , and there is the Sun & a lack of sunspots and I note only one comment , go to WUWT and there you will see what really is going on .
Valerie HooperAugust 7, 2015 6:22 am
the author sounds like an obama follower. a douche.
Eric TillmanAugust 7, 2015 5:44 am
The British!!! hey remember one of them wanted us to Go from 50 stated back to 13 colonies...LMAO!!!
ROHBARAugust 7, 2015 5:37 am
point zero four hundredths part per million of CO2 or carbon dioxide .04 or 400ths ppm, which if you took a stadium of 10,000 seats you would have 4 seats that would be CO2. This green house gas is taken in by green living plants and converted to oxygen commonly called photosynthesis! With out this green house gas which is used by farmers and ranchers, marijuana growers to help plants grow stonger and healthier, so we listen to these united commie nations one world order freaks with their lies and the simple minded want to run with the hype!
ROHBARAugust 7, 2015 5:35 am
Man-made “climate change” is largely a myth promoted by politicians to scare the public into accepting a vast expansion of government to supposedly stop “global warming.” Global warming is a manufactured problem played up by the government to instigate a public reaction – fear – the government then exploits to offer a predetermined solution: the expansion of government at the public’s expense. This strategy, now known as the Hegelian Dialectic, has been used successfully by politicians for millennia to expand government, which can only grow at the expense of individual liberties. The Bush administration used the strategy successfully in 2003 when it gained enough public support for the invasion of Iraq by claiming the country had weapons of mass destruction, and the war ultimately expanded the military-industrial complex and America’s emerging police state. Today “global warming” is used as the bogey man because it allows the United Nations to scare the world’s population into believing “man-made climate change” is too big of a threat for their country to handle alone and thus it can only be “defeated” through the expansion of the U.N. at the expense of their nation’s sovereignty. And state-funded scientists are given thousands and even millions of dollars to help promote the myth of “global warming” by fitting their data into the fearmongering agenda. “This was viewed as the most likely to succeed because it could be related to observable conditions such as smog and water pollution – in other words, it would be based partly on fact and, therefore, be credible,” G. Edward Griffin wrote in his book The Creature from Jekyll Island. “Predictions could be made showing end-of-earth scenarios just as horrible as atomic warfare.” “Accuracy in these predictions would not be important; their purpose would be to frighten, not inform.” And the latest claim that 2014 was the hottest year on record certainly rejected accuracy in favor of fear. “Any temperature claim of ‘hottest year’ based on surface data is based on hundredths of a degree hotter than previous ‘hottest years,'” Marc Morano of Climate Depot reported. “This immeasurable difference is not even within the margin of error of temperature gauges.” “The claim of the ‘hottest year’ is simply a political statement not based on temperature facts; ‘hottest year’ claims are based on minute fractions of a degree while ignoring satellite data showing Earth is continuing the 18-plus-year ‘pause’ or ‘standstill’ [in warming.]” The standstill he refers to can be found in Remote Sensing Systems satellite data that shows there has been no significant rise in global temperature since Oct. 1996, which is more than half the 36-year satellite record. And this pause in warming could last at least another decade. “The Great Pause is a growing embarrassment to those who had told us with ‘substantial confidence’ that the science was settled and the [climate change] debate over,” climate analyst Lord Christopher Monckton wrote. “Nature had other ideas.” point zero four hundredths part per million of CO2 or carbon dioxide .04 or 400ths ppm, which if you took a stadium of 10,000 seats you would have 4 seats that would be CO2. This green house gas is taken in by green living plants and converted to oxygen commonly called photosynthesis! With out this green house gas which is used by farmers and ranchers, marijuana growers to help plants grow stonger and healthier, so we listen to these united commie nations one world order freaks with their lies and the simple minded want to run with the hype!
Tony PeartAugust 7, 2015 5:26 am
Something to remember ,we have not reached equilibrium for the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere to date and we are having weather extremes that are significant . The chatterers have replied with everything but science because they have no reasonable argument only repetitive Heartland Institute talking points.
brunsk42August 7, 2015 5:15 am
Carbon dioxide is what we're producing in big quantities and putting into the atmosphere. This happens to be a very good fertilizer for all kinds of vegetation, good for wildlife, good for agricultural production, so it has many benefits. If CO2 were everywhere and always the sole limiting factor on plant growth -- which really could only be the case if all plants were grown in controlled environments like greenhouses. BEES are dying by what we're trying to do, when bees can't pollinate, we end up with GMO food.
darthusurpusAugust 7, 2015 5:01 am
I don't know if it's UK syntax, grammar or that I'm just very tired. But I can't follow a word of what this article is saying.
Eugene KyleAugust 7, 2015 5:00 am
Duck and cover? Sounds like the Brits are making good fun out of the alarmists.
ChilibreathAugust 7, 2015 4:54 am
The so-called global warming scare is a sham, the earth's temperature goes up and down on it's own far more that it does by what we do. Just ask the dinosaurs, they weren't driving cars or burning coal when they disappeared.
Lorcan BondaAugust 7, 2015 4:50 am
One could propose a theory that the earth and its atmosphere has self-correcting dampening methods to prevent the acceleration of temperature due to climate change. When the IPCC scientists report that they "found the extra energy and it is in the oceans" -- that should serve as prove that our environment has those self-correcting dampening methods in them. In other words, it is more significant than "the oceans ate my homework."
ben3August 7, 2015 4:19 am
One hurricane and summer, including this one does not rare climate change. This is the hottest that we know of.
flatusmAugust 7, 2015 4:01 am
What a thuggish attack. Those of us astute enough to worship settled science, wise enough to believe everything we are told, must prepare for more of this swill as the early predictions of Global Warming do not eventuate. Soon our ever more dire shouts of warning will scarcely be heard above the laughter of cretins.
Wesley HortonAugust 7, 2015 3:56 am
John, the tragedy is that you have no idea of the bankruptcy of your statements. It is preciously because of smug pseudo-intellectuals such as yourself, who presume to pontificate to the rest of the world, of their ignorance. In your case, you also assert that Terry's opinion MUST be rooted in pseudoscience and the "money driven denial machine." The first clue regarding your lack of voracity is that you offer NO supporting evidence, and merely attack the person of opposing viewpoint. You don't even identify who you are. In the vernacular of the computer age, that places you firmly in the category of: TROLL. . . .
Darren PellichinoAugust 7, 2015 3:40 am
Are you referring to the claim that 97% of scientists believe that man made global warming is real? The 97% of scientists agreed that man made global warming could be real. They did not say that it was a fact. Is this what they mentioned on this BBC show?
altizarAugust 7, 2015 3:14 am
climatologists are to the climate as astrologists are to astronomy
leonard boltonAugust 7, 2015 3:10 am
If the dreaded global warming were true the sea would be rising -- it isn't. If it is where? And don't cite where land is sinking or where there are temporary storm surges
FreewaybloggerAugust 7, 2015 3:07 am
What have future generations ever done for us?
ObserverAugust 7, 2015 12:26 am
So what do you propose? That Poland stops using its most valuable national resource? And who pray would be paying for it (Polish families still live on $6,000/year).
John RussellAugust 6, 2015 11:52 pm
Under the guise of humour, Letts used his slot as an opportunity to spread climate change denial propaganda. The BBC was used. Unfortunately those running the BBC are not sufficiently scientifically literate to know they've been had.
stephen tindaleAugust 6, 2015 9:53 pm
I don't think a series called 'what's the point of?' will be expected by listeners to be balanced. And I think we should just respond in kind. So: what's the point of the Global Warming Policy Foundation? To advise on risk management? Former chairman of Northern Rock knows all about that. To argue for social justice? The man who was Chancellor when Maggie introduced poll tax has discovered that concern rather late in life. To prevent exaggerated claims about climate impacts? Well, on the health effects we could believe the recent Lancet Commission report or 'Dr.' Benny Peiser (doctorate in sporting activities in ancient Greece). I could go on, but I wouldn't want to be accused on 'alarmism'...
AlisonAugust 6, 2015 1:41 pm
Hi Guys - it might be a good idea to check the facts out. Have a look at this website by NASA showing global climate trends. http://climate.nasa.gov/ The data shows us that the world is definitely warming. It is conclusive that this warming is caused by carbon emissions and that continued release of carbon emissions will lead to more warming. Rational thought leads one to conclude that carbon emissions must be managed in order to limit the degree of warming. Short term changes may be painful, but will prevent more harmful long term changes.
Terry OldbergAugust 6, 2015 3:25 am
John: That's an ad hominem argument and illogical. Do you have a logical argument to share?
BliedenAugust 6, 2015 2:11 am
You're not saying a single thing that climate scientists agree with. Unless you are one, then I guess you have at least yourself to agree with.
Charles TeryAugust 5, 2015 11:58 pm
Warren having problems looking up the term INTER-GLACIAL???
Charles TeryAugust 5, 2015 11:52 pm
Warren just tell me what you think the link says. I am not going to waste my time reading another link from a Globie Warmie. You read it and share it in your own words.
mapsguy1955August 5, 2015 6:25 pm
The vast majority of coal needs to stay in the ground. No new coal projects should be approved.
Andy Kadir-BuxtonAugust 5, 2015 5:51 pm
The world's first self-funding near-zero CO2 plan was invented in the 1980s, it can be seen at: http://www.kadir-buxton.com/page2.htm
LaurenceAugust 5, 2015 5:26 pm
Thanks, Erik. Exactly. Trying to get the word “up the line” to likely champions is top priority at the moment. (Any suggestions, of people we might not have thought of, to [email protected] please!)
LaurenceAugust 5, 2015 5:22 pm
Thanks for your comments, orko138. C&S is simple, but the implications aren’t all obvious at first glance. For example, yes, the number of permits goes down but their price will go up (because they’re in demand) and so the total amount of money will quite likely increase with time, even as fossil fuels are being phased out. Also, while individual people might spend the money on carbon-rich goods, this can’t happen in total because of the cap (in the same way, if I get some money then maybe I can buy a plot of land, but that doesn’t mean there is any more land in total). If there’s too much total demand, the price just goes up. And you’re quite right that cash payments aren’t perfect, but they do at least benefit everyone (and the poor especially, protecting them from fuel price rises) and make C&S politically feasible.
Erik Van LennepAugust 5, 2015 6:20 am
This needs a a series of champions. First a few more highly visible people from all walks of life. Second, a few political notables to take it to the Climate Talks, but not as "an idea", but rather as a boat already pushed out onto the water, with a limited time offering to climb on board.
ReduceGHGsAugust 5, 2015 2:33 am
Getting rid of the Congressional climate change deniers should be at the top of our list. Mostly republicans, they deny that our emissions have anything to do with the warming trend and aren't expected to allow passage of meaningful pollution laws. So it's up to us. We need to expose, confront, and replace them as soon as possible. Our future generations are worth the effort. Learn more about his global crisis and get involved. ExhaustingHabitability(dot)org
orko138August 5, 2015 2:24 am
Nope. As with most regular cash payments, people can get hooked. As fossil fuel companies reduce their extraction practices, and have to purchase less permits (as is the intention of the scheme), people will start to get less and less cash handouts. Some (i.e. most) people would probably be unhappy about that. And while these people would be financially better off, it does not necessarily lead them to change their behaviour in a positive climate-friendly fashion - their consumption patterns may change leading them to increase energy usage or consumption of other greenhouse no-nos like eating more meat, or buying a bigger TV or car? Why not reinvest that money into something more productive and necessary like R&D into carbon dioxide removal technology, or adaptation mechanisms? Cash handouts seems pretty ill-conceived.
nerodenAugust 4, 2015 11:44 pm
Can't you read? Solar & wind.
JohnAugust 4, 2015 5:43 pm
Your mind is rooted in pseudoscience and the money-driven denial machine. Poor soul.
Make.a.DifferenceAugust 4, 2015 5:40 pm
Obama's "Memo to America" (and Arctic visit) mirror a "We the People" petition at wh.gov. Sign, forward, tweet, here: http://wh.gov/iI9Lj
DharmenderAugust 4, 2015 1:28 pm
Twin tracks is a good observation which shows capacity of state as well as international support. There is need to engage all of the Indian states in making India's INDC stronger and effective(hope already involved). This may be done through establishment of climate change center in each of the state.
Bob BinghamAugust 4, 2015 10:25 am
One metre of sea level rise will make Peterborough an island and when the real costs of ea level rise become apparent will Lawson and his supporters pay to remove the CO2 from the atmosphere.
IAF101August 4, 2015 8:02 am
Well said - why haven't these Western countries made Solar Panel technology Open source technology so that any nation can build them ?
Barbara CAugust 4, 2015 5:07 am
We only get one home? Why is Obama destroying our home with his immigration executive orders, illegal aliens and visa violators, H1B and L1 foreign national visa program and Dreamers.
NickAugust 3, 2015 5:24 pm
I'd say "it's about time", but it's really way past time. But, at least this is an attempt at a start. Whether these reductions will actually happen is anyone's guess. I say they'll happen, but on a longer time scale, as nations bicker over enforcement and compliance and the denialists continue to throw their hysterical tantrums.
kcy2014August 3, 2015 5:04 pm
I stopped recycling and I'm littering as much as I can as a form of civil disobedience against the Warmist propaganda and indoctrination campaign led by the Government.
Erik Van LennepAugust 3, 2015 11:19 am
"The 17 goals will require between 3.3 and 4.5 trillion dollars to implement". Spread globally? This is a tiny percent of what is routinely spent by some individual nations on armaments and aggression ("defense"). What will be lacking, as ever, is the political will and sincerity of purpose to actually deliver these goals. I'll be curious to see if there is anything at all included this time to make the agreements binding, including incentives for early achievement of goals., gate-staging investments, and sanctions against non-performance.
BatterybhaiAugust 3, 2015 8:27 am
Hey, this is good news for customers but not for battery manufacturers. Battery manufacturer need to equality between customer and battery seller ( http://www.batterybhai.com/4-wheeler-battery.php).
shindigAugust 3, 2015 12:43 am
The Security Council first debated cliamte change and security in 2007. There was one in 2011 where everyone made grand statements all day. There was an effort in 2013 to list climate change as a security issue - but this was blocked by China and Russia - see RTCC's own report http://www.rtcc.org/2013/02/18/china-and-russia-block-un-security-council-climate-change-action/. This time, the debate appeared even less focussed on climate change than previously - it was a general debate on "peace and security challenges facing small island developing States." One can't expect New Zealand to push for any action on climate by the Security Council when it has put forward one of the weakest INDC's submitted by any country so far. Nothing has actually been achieved.
GreenHeartedAugust 2, 2015 8:34 pm
Permaculture, permaculture, permaculture. Implementing the principles and techniques of permaculture, especially those that apply to water, on the micro and macro scales in this region will help Kenyans meet their water conservation goals. Where are Kenya's permaculture centres, teachers and supporters?
Sebastian SassiAugust 2, 2015 3:12 pm
This is a patently ridiculous argument. If it were true that money could buy scientific results, then the carbon emitting interests of the world with their hundreds of billions would have bought some by now. Instead, even research *they* fund shows AGW is reality (see BEST).
Andrew BurgessAugust 2, 2015 4:05 am
Hansen has a history of being right! Skeptics are the new denialists. Ignore him at our peril.
JamesAugust 2, 2015 3:08 am
At the present rate of warming it will take 500 years for the surface temperature to rise 2.0C according to the following data which comes from the costly last UN sponsored IPCC Report in 2013. See the IPCC Report here below. IPCC AR5 FINAL Ch. 9, p. 769, para.1Box 9.2 Climate Models and the Hiatus in Global Mean Surface Warming of the Past 15 Years “The observed global mean surface temperature (GMST) has shown a much smaller increasing linear trend over the past 15 years than over the past 30 to 60 years. Depending on the observational data set, the GMST trend over 1998–2012 is estimated to be around one-third to one-half of the trend over 1951–2012. For example, in HadCRUT4 the trend is 0.04ºC per decade over 1998–2012, compared to 0.11ºC per decade over 1951–2012.” At the present + 0.04C per decade: 0.04C / 10 years = 0.004C per year Only atmospheric CO2 levels and the gap between actual observed temperatures and model temperature predictions is increasing. When yearly temperature change has to be measured in (+) or (-) thousandths of a degree, that change is statistically insignificant. The earth has been in a warming phase for the last 20,000 years and ice ages have formed when atmospheric CO2 has been far greater than 500ppm and even greater than 1,000ppm many times. A warming rate of 0.004C per year is not a problem unless support for a political scam supported by a short lived science hoax overwhelms good judgment
Patrick LyonsAugust 2, 2015 1:44 am
I do not understand how a top-down group of UN bureaucrats will effectively "slash greenhouse gases" by telling sovereign countries how to conduct their economies when emerging nations remain reliant upon the very industries that the UN intends to shackle. Increased taxation, although every politico's panacea, simply transfers monies into the sphere of increased regulation and inefficiencies. More government is not the answer.
Steven CohenAugust 1, 2015 5:35 pm
State your better solution to the climate change problem. I know, you fools think it is somehow a scam and would rather do nothing about reducing carbon emissions that the world's scientists say must be done.
Terry OldbergAugust 1, 2015 3:27 pm
In the case of carbon dioxide the EPA's regulations are firmly rooted in pseudoscience.
PoptechAugust 1, 2015 1:03 pm
WTF are you talking about? All of the journals are legitimate academic journals and not a single one is by an evangelical publisher. Dr. Soon is a highly credentialed scientist.
Bob BinghamAugust 1, 2015 3:42 am
93% of all the heat entering the planet is absorbed by the oceans, which it has been doing for the last few years, and then it comes out again as it has just started to do with this El Nino. We are headed for a two degree rise and nothing can stop it and we are also headed for sea level rise from melting ice to go with it. Greenland and Antarctica are both melting fast around the edges, where the ice glaciers meet the sea and we will have a one metre rise somewhere between mid century, 2050 to the end at 2100. http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/climate-threats.html
Daniel BargerJuly 31, 2015 11:09 pm
Translation.......Every judge of importance is owned lock stock and rotten barrel by the environazi's.....the few they don't own outright they have blackmailed into silence. The law, the Constitution, physics, science and reality are ALL IRRELEVANT. The plan to destroy capitalism, the US and western civilization requires the destruction of modern energy and industry. Therefore that is what they intend to do. We no longer live in a country where rule of law exists. America is a banana republic ruled by thugs. All that matters is how much power you control.
MarkJuly 31, 2015 10:38 pm
Of course what the American people think about this is irrelevant to the big domes who tell us how to live. Why is creating an artificial shortage of electricity which will drive up consumer costs for a decade or more be beneficial? We have already thrown a ton of money down the rabbit hole of Green Energy. It can't survive without lot's of subsidies and gets 27 times the amount of subsidy than fossil for unit of energy produced. Mercury? Most Mercury in the environment has been there for centuries and the biggest threat is gold mining in third world countries who use Mercury to refine it. The air? It's cleaner than it has ever been in my 65 years and it used to be pretty bad. This is all about Obama wanting us ruled by a world government. The EPA won't even release their research on how many zillion lives this will save. Mostly because it's crap. The Director of the EPA couldn't explain to Congress what their methodology is. This is a very bogus regulation and I hope the states win.
MichMikeJuly 31, 2015 9:14 pm
How does it feel to be a gatekeeper for an organization that will NOT allow facts that do not support their agenda from being posted? What a pathetic life you folks must have. (in a caring way, huh?)
MichMikeJuly 31, 2015 8:39 pm
RTCC does NOT post comments that are factual but inconsistent with their narrative. Very scientific of them.
John MurrayJuly 31, 2015 8:12 pm
What is at stake is not US credibility in negotiations - what is at stake is our economy and our lifestyle! These regulations will do what Obama predicted years ago "electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket". Who will bear the brunt of this? The middle class once again. Will it result in ANY change to the man made global warming they claim it is going to fight? NO! It will make NO difference at all and you will NOT get the rest of the world to do what you want them to either. The result will be higher costs and lower standards of living for every American and no change at all to the climate. THAT is simple truth people. At stake is the US’ credibility in international negotiations - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/07/31/tsunami-of-litigation-against-obama-climate-plan-set-to-fail-say-ngos/#sthash.miOdWrtA.dpuf At stake is the US’ credibility in international negotiations - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/07/31/tsunami-of-litigation-against-obama-climate-plan-set-to-fail-say-ngos/#sthash.miOdWrtA.dpuf.. At stake is the US’ credibility in international negotiations - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/07/31/tsunami-of-litigation-against-obama-climate-plan-set-to-fail-say-ngos/#sthash.miOdWrtA.dpuf
MichMikeJuly 31, 2015 7:47 pm
Did you know that the personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the actual average / person. Not too surprising with their use of private jets, heavy discretionary commercial air travel, specifically flying first class, massive living space / person, across multiple homes, and a myriad of other outsized CO2 producing behaviors. But do you realize this means this small group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL (that's right, ALL) U. S. CO2 emissions? Can any of you folks please explain to us rubes why all the plans being implemented will allow this small group to continue to spew CO2 unabated while financially hammering the lower income and middle classes, just for being alive? Were this small group to only emit 25 TIMES the average, OVERALL U. S. CO2 emissions would decline 17% and OVERALL PLANETARY CO2 emissions would decline 2.7%. But then RTCC won't post these facts, so it really doesn't matter.
But-dustyJuly 31, 2015 7:37 pm
The only real losers here are the American people. While the undeveloped world spews out real crap not this co2 non-sense we lose more and more jobs while driving the U.S. economy into the crapper. This is all about global control and uniformitarianism. To bring the rest of the world up we are being fed into the grinders of a global agenda that cares nothing for people while being guised as the only solution to save mankind. It's a steam-roller.
clinton malloyJuly 31, 2015 7:36 pm
A 50% plus reduction is unrealistic. When are we going to see people who are realistic.
John MurrayJuly 31, 2015 7:24 pm
Well then small island nations then perhaps you should start dealing with what you believe is coming because there is no way in the world that the entire planet is going to do what these people want anytime in the foreseeable future. Oh yeah, and if you REALLY want to help control CO2 emissions, well then, all those ships and planes that you need to bring in the basics of life for you to survive on those islands? Well, how about the very first thing we do is reduce CO2 emissions by eliminating all of them entirely?
Steven CohenJuly 31, 2015 7:22 pm
I am glad the legal foundation for the EPA climate rules is strong. Stupid Republicans who deny human caused climate change will fail in their efforts to hinder carbon reduction efforts.
ReddlerJuly 31, 2015 6:56 pm
Just wait until nat gas companies pass the cost of a carbon tax on to home owners bc nat gas produces CO2
John MurrayJuly 31, 2015 6:50 pm
Here's the bottom line people - you will NEVER get the entire world to meet the CO2 levels you want them all to have. Even if you somehow could the result would be a slide into global cooling because there is NO way you can control the climate to the point of making it static. Despite that obvious fact of life, you continue to push for countries to devastate their own economies and rape the middle class with higher costs for energy, food, and everything else.
ReddlerJuly 31, 2015 6:45 pm
RTCC, don't like campaign promises?
NickJuly 31, 2015 5:23 pm
"...new obstacles that will test our resolve at every turn." The issue of human-induced climate change by GHG emissions is going to require international cooperation on a scale that we have never seen or anticipated. This is going to be difficult for Americans, because we treasure our independence. Making treaties is one thing, but enforcing them is another. Nuclear treaties were nice on paper, but we see now how basically unenforceable they actually are. So it is with GHG emissions. After the ink is dry, there will be immense cheating (because fossil fuels are so integral to a country's economy) and little in the way of enforcement capability. Unfortunately, only when the adverse effects of global warming become widespread and severe will there be installed any teeth in enforcement, and by then, it may very well be too late to prevent a runaway warming effect. There are really only two things that have a chance of serving to provide incentives for GHG emissions abatement, and they are a world governing authority (which nobody - particularly Americans - wants) and/or a replacement for fossil fuels that is economical and very abundant.
CaspianSailsJuly 31, 2015 5:08 pm
Congress needs to shut down the ability of all agencies to enact new rules without passage in the legislative bodies. It is the only path to forcing agencies to comply with their mandates and to stop executive overreach through agency rule changes.
John MurrayJuly 31, 2015 4:42 pm
The real challenge should be how to take advantage of it since time and time again we have been told it is unstoppable and realistically speaking you are NOT going to get the entire world to reduce their CO2 emissions like you want. Even if they somehow could and CO2 was the real reason for a warming climate all you would accomplish is to put the world into a global cooling situation. There is NO way you can control the entire CO2 output of the entire planet so that you somehow create a static climate. So, instead of spending all this time, money, and effort on trying to do the impossible, how about you spend all of it working on ways to best take advantage of the good things that come with global warming and mitigate the bad?
DMNJuly 31, 2015 3:49 pm
This is funny. Everyone is pledging nothing. I like China, they pledge to increase CO2 emissions as fast as possible.
ppiaseckJuly 31, 2015 3:45 pm
since the oceans have risen 400 feet since the last ice age, there is not much we can do to change nature, only prepare..............
ThomasJuly 31, 2015 3:02 pm
It is a noble and worthy endeavor to be good stewards of the earth and it's finite resources; however, it is foolish to think we can 'control' the climate.
go2greenJuly 31, 2015 2:58 pm
Even the military believes in man made global warming along with everyone else. Will the deniers ever wise up and face the facts.
Steven CohenJuly 31, 2015 1:36 pm
Hopefully the stupid Republicans will fail in their attempts to stop progress on reducing carbon emissions that scientists say are the main cause of climate change. Their arguments do not stand up to scrutiny as the article states.
cardiganJuly 31, 2015 10:54 am
"There is no question in New Delhi that global warming is a real and serious threat. A recent heatwave claimed more than 2,500 lives across the country – which the science minister was quick to attribute to climate change. " It is totally wrong to blame weather events on so-called global warming. There is no science basis for it, in spite of the constant desire to blame anything and everything on the trace gas CO2. This is what happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Indian_heat_wave "The heat wave was caused in large part by sparser pre-monsoon season showers, which brought less moisture than normal to the area, leaving large parts of India arid and dry. The sudden end of pre-monsoon rain showers, an uncommon trend in India, has contributed to the heat waves. Additionally, the monsoon season is later and further south than the normal trend. This weather pattern, coupled with the El Niño effect, which often increases temperatures in Asia, combined to create the record high temperatures. High humidity compounded the effects of the temperatures on residents.The Loo, a dry wind originating from Pakistan and northwest India, has contributed to increasing the temperature in India." CO2 in the atmosphere has no perceivable impact on any of that, it is the weather.
socalpaJuly 31, 2015 9:34 am
I wonder how this will play out in Europe as brutal winters are likely to impact Europe, North America and Asia for the next few decades as the Atlantic Multi Decadal Oscillation (AMO) goes into negative (Cooling Phase) ? - Will a people already burdened by the highest energy and transport costs be willing to pay more to prevent "global warming" while they freeze ? - Doubt it . .
Paul MatthewsJuly 31, 2015 9:29 am
The "news" presented by RTCC and other activists in the media such as Roger Harrabin seems to be increasingly "Green groups say".
William McbrideJuly 31, 2015 6:28 am
When an article like this states the obama has a vision, WE know he is actually on a magic mushroom trip. His phony climate scam is getting weaker every year, expect the progressive liberals to enter a new frenzy in their death to America agenda.
FlyovermanJuly 31, 2015 3:13 am
When the supposed greatest threat to he environment caused by humans is carbon dioxide then you can conclude two things. First the environment has to be pretty darn clean, if the threat is a naturally occurring trace gas that our plants love to eat.. Second, since people are to blame, you can assume the real goal is separating people from their money.
robertJuly 31, 2015 1:19 am
History will show that the social costs of Progressivism and moral relativity massively outweighed the social costs of coal.
digi1248July 30, 2015 10:33 pm
This article was written by Obama and Al Gore care of the navy. The ice has been melting for millions of years and replacing itself. Please take an ice cube out of the freezer and place it in the sun so you 2 idiots can see what happens to the ice. Yes, it melts but not in the freezer. Hot, cold, hot, cold. And this guy is our president?????
Robin_GuenierJuly 30, 2015 9:47 pm
Perhaps the Pentagon has forgotten that USS Skate (SSN-578) surfaced at the North Pole on 17 March 1959: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Skate_(SSN-578)#/media/File:USS_Skate_(SSN-578)_surfaced_in_Arctic_-_1959.jpg. And in 1989 three subs (two US and one British) met there: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0866403.jpguss skate
Jeff kJuly 30, 2015 9:41 pm
Well let's see in the 1970' we was going into the next ice age, in the 1980's we ahd a hole in the ozone and we were all going to burn up, in the 1990's it was acid rain that was going to kill us all, 2000's global warming and when that was not working, they started calling climate change. when are the dumb-ass American people going to wake up and figure out that these people are making money off of this bullshit! (p.s.) the sky is falling mail me your money and I can save us all.
John MurrayJuly 30, 2015 8:34 pm
Your electric rate swill of necessity sky rocket. I guess THAT is what he is not backing down on. Don't worry folks, according to Obama and his people the economy is doing so great we obviously can afford sky rocketing electric prices and the rise in costs for all the good we purchase. After all, we are far too affluent in this country anyway - right Mr. President?
Charles TeryJuly 30, 2015 8:02 pm
The 2 C limit is arbitrary. We are currently living in the second coolest time of the current Inter-Glacial.
Richie 129July 30, 2015 7:52 pm
why would they back down their is billions to be made they are going to be the biggest jack pot winners in history and we the people will help them with all our tax dollars even that we know that this is the biggest scam ever
slim pickensJuly 30, 2015 7:39 pm
Its wealth distribution, plain and simple
NickJuly 30, 2015 7:36 pm
Coal is dead for the future. Might as well just hold the funeral, bury it and be done. Sequestration just isn't going to happen. Yes, mining and mining support jobs are at risk (and my job is included in that). But we need to face the reality that coal needs to be phased out as quickly as possible, to be replaced by nuclear and solar.
NickJuly 30, 2015 7:28 pm
The warming pictured above is just astonishing. Global temperatures should be dropping, but they're rising. We simply cannot and should not and must not wait to act. Getting an agreement inked now and implementing it tomorrow is a moral imperative.
go2greenJuly 30, 2015 7:11 pm
The oil and coal industries have been spreading lies and disinformation for decades.
LouJuly 30, 2015 7:05 pm
This will be at the forefront in the election. The frauds vs the fraud busters. We are sick of it.
RajSJuly 30, 2015 7:03 pm
Growth gets priority over climate change. If anyone wants us to use clean technology, they're welcome to give it to us. Free.
StabilizerJuly 30, 2015 7:00 pm
The goal of eliminating pollution and greenhouse gasses is a valid and necessary goal. The goal of eliminating fossil fuels is a dumb goal. EPA rules have reduced greenhouse gas and particulate emissions from coal plants more than 99.9% from what they were when I was a kid. Let's work towards zero emissions from fossil fuels, which I think will be cheaper than replace fossil fuels. Yes, we want to go fully renewable eventually, but let's take the cheapest path, not the PC Path. We are so far behind Europe and China in switching to renewable energy it will take a massive effort to catch up, but with America's abundant fossil fuels, why not make what we have now 100% clean, we are already 99.9% there, and ease into renewables in a cost effective manner
optimistmiserJuly 30, 2015 6:46 pm
Human activity is not causing global warming, only contributing to it. That is enough of a reason to proceed with a gradual reduction of human contribution, but the massive changes that Obama, Hillary and fellow Democrats in Congress want is not necessary. doing what they advocate will drastically increase the cost of energy and make the poor and middle class even poorer.
optimistmiserJuly 30, 2015 6:44 pm
Obama and his staff are constantly imposing their narrow biased perspective, refusing to compromise, obstructing all other efforts. That is why the majority of people and members of Congress do not have a favorable opinion of Obama or any other Democrat member of Congress.
ThrowAwayJuly 30, 2015 6:37 pm
But what about all the dire "predictions" that have totally failed to materialize?
Chris ShawJuly 30, 2015 6:33 pm
"Countries have agreed to try and limit global warming to 2C above pre-industrial levels. Beyond that threshold, scientists project escalating sea level rise and ever more intense and volatile weather". They have also predicted that occurring above 1C so it is not an explanation of why 2c has been chosen as the limit for warming.
RHO1953July 30, 2015 5:56 pm
Halfway to 2 degrees using the "adjusted" surface temperatures. Only by "adjusting" the raw data can they find warming. The raw data and satellite temps don't show it, so they stroke, adjust, manipulate, lie, cheat, whatever it takes to keep the funding coming in.
Denis FrithJuly 30, 2015 7:26 am
It is interesting to read how powerful interests are preparing to press their biased views about what should be done about the irreversible climate change that bad past decisions by powerful interests initiated. It took them decades to wake up to the reality that dedicated climatologists had been warning of. Now they are considering what they should do without it costing too much even though it can do no more than slow down climate change. Adapting to the inevitable eco system devastation that climate change and ocean acidification is causing will doubtless be on the agenda of a future conference after these consequences have sent a wake call the powerful interests can no longer ignore.
WillJuly 30, 2015 2:40 am
Fossil majors coal, oil and gas are realists. They can read the divest writing on the wall and will switch over to renewables for electricity generation before Paris. Even in a modern, carbon dioxide limited world, they know that fossil sources will still be needed to synthesize lightweight carbon composites, fertilizers, chemicals and plastics.
OrenJuly 30, 2015 2:17 am
6 inches in a century. Yawn!
dhm60July 30, 2015 1:02 am
The ADEME study (rapport100enr_comite.pdf) on how to get France to 100% renewables by 2050 is an excellent if somewhat conservative report on how to manage and engineer the transition in a large and developed economy. Well done, Ségolène Royal and the Assemblée Nationale for a rational debate and a lucid plan to develop a renewable energy nation. That is how a mature and rational country does it, meanwhile here in Australia.....
BillVAJuly 29, 2015 11:04 pm
What a great excuse to toss needless contracts for unmeasurable work to the politically well-connected. And many of those dollars will flow back to the coffers of the politicians...the original recycling.
Nita ShaferJuly 29, 2015 9:47 pm
YES--- There IS a GOD !
Nita ShaferJuly 29, 2015 9:31 pm
Possibility of Climate Funding Corruption... What a UNDERSTATEMENT, including in the US, UK, etc.
Michael HJuly 29, 2015 7:36 pm
Hmmm, When you hyperventilate, you do exactly that; you take in CO2. Try doing that with methane, CO, SO2 or another Poison. It IS HYSTERIA, like it or not.
JamesJuly 29, 2015 7:23 pm
Great news. Cannot wait until Peabody goes under
Harry BeggJuly 29, 2015 4:58 pm
Do you mean 'Since being appointed to a climate brief in the foreign ministry in September 2013, Sir David estimated he has made 65 official visits overseas', rather than 2015?
Rakesh KamalJuly 29, 2015 1:26 pm
Why do I have a feeling that climate-resilient seeds according to US will genetically modified varieties!
NicholBJuly 29, 2015 11:44 am
I think they need to be under high pressure, as the water is coming from great height. It is like a giant shock absorber to compensate for the fact that it takes some time for the water currents in the huge pipes te get up to speed. At least that is my understanding
Erik Van LennepJuly 29, 2015 11:24 am
The problem is that this agenda and process is backwards. This is why it fails to deliver time after time. We have a jumble of special interests represented by functionaries. And the functionaries know how to sleep-walk their way through the negotiation process. And that's precisely what they will do without a wake-up call. What they know how to do, is proceed in the same steps they always use when faced with so many conflicting demands... appearing to progress while dragging the entire process nowhere (which in this sense is a definite place). They change name tags for the issue of the day, and go onto automatic pilot. Today it's climate change, last week maybe it was slavery, next month might be children's rights...but the auto pilot just runs in cut and paste mode no matter what. Their standard process is dictating what's possible. To succeed, the issue must dictate what happens. We must engage this absurd committee to use their inside knowledge to smooth the way and pass what needs to be agreed in a form capable of delivering the results required. The agenda needs to be "make this happen". After all, we, the planet's citizens are paying the bills. Again, and again, and again.
mistyeyrieJuly 29, 2015 9:06 am
So the EU UK US, countries which think CO2 is producing Climate Change, have to put 100 Billion USD on the table. Otherwise no talks. Poor countries led by India are making that clear. Europe is grease then. Thats all I can say.
Greg HamraJuly 28, 2015 2:30 pm
Pls contact me for help with the Miami event -- outreach, coordination, additional speakers.
You can't argue with scienceJuly 28, 2015 10:29 am
Not a single step about reducing or stopping our consumption of meat ??? Meat eating has a much bigger impact on climate change that several of those steps put together !
VestiasJuly 28, 2015 9:26 am
Never the world faced such economic social environmental moral evil political problems throughout a total mess
ClayShentrupJuly 28, 2015 3:48 am
Their most cost effective strategy would be to funnel money to USA non-profits seeking to fix our horrendously bad voting system. E.g. to Approval Voting. http://scorevoting.net/Maine2014Exit.html I mean, this could literally be implemented in several US cities for a mere few million dollars in signature gathering fees.
osseocarnisanJuly 27, 2015 9:31 pm
I thought temperatures went down at the end of interglacials? That is not what most of us are expecting now - nor is it clear by what mechanism falling temperatures would send up sea levels.
jrb14July 27, 2015 8:38 pm
"The percentages of CO2 simply do not bear out the hype..." Maybe not the sort of hype Al Gore delivers, but the numbers are certainly consistent with the general scientific consensus that human sources of carbon dioxide are a major driver of the current global warming trend. "...and there is plenty of science/theory to back that up." Where? Not in the relevant scientific literature. My claims can't be carried out in lab experiments? What about all the lab experiments and field data that have been compiled over the course of decades? Also, mocking those who deny science is not hubris. Denying established science is hubris.
samf1953July 27, 2015 5:46 pm
Scare scare scare that's all they have. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11763272/How-Arctic-ice-has-made-fools-of-all-those-poor-warmists.html
AussieJuly 27, 2015 2:57 pm
Instead of a surge chamber, why not create a holding lake close to but just above the turbines. When backup power is needed, close the water flowing to the lake allowing the water in the pipes to flow into the turbines at full pressure. This would be much safer and cheaper than the surge chambers built into rock. When the lake fills up, pump it back uphill with renewable energy.
roland1234July 27, 2015 12:11 pm
Streamlined text, they are hiding the part where they are going to ruin the world economy and impoverish the developed world and hand the money to corrupt third world governments who will steal most if not all of it.
Waclaw Jerzy Borken-HagenJuly 27, 2015 3:23 am
"Common ground" ? Is it like the "Common Core" no one wants?
MeganJuly 27, 2015 12:53 am
"With the country contributing around 1.5% of global emissions, government could argue its policies are not critical to the warming trend." Yet we are only 0.33% of the earths population. I think the argument could be made that we are contributing more than we should be.
Steven CohenJuly 26, 2015 12:24 am
I hope real progress is made at the Paris summit. This article states many good points about the need to work together for a better planet.
Robin_GuenierJuly 25, 2015 7:24 am
So the new 'streamlined' text turns out to be 83 pages of almost unreadable text. This process is getting nowhere.
itaiaJuly 25, 2015 5:31 am
Chevron has several other media operations in other areas. For example in South America, Chevron is supporting the opposition to the government of Ecuador as well as other national governments.Chevron publishes or his behind the scene of THE AMAZON POST, JUICIO BRUTO, EL ORIENTE. JULGAMENTO BRUTO. Chevron seems to support the overthrow of the elected government in Ecuador, and possibly other governments in South America. In August, Chevron supports a "general strike" in Ecuador which probably will generate violence in order to provoke the government.
NickJuly 24, 2015 8:35 pm
"Failure to slash greenhouse gas emissions will lead to an increase in extreme weather events..." In other words, if, starting today,we never burn another lump of coal, or gallon of oil, it will not have been too soon. The best available science indicates that we should have acted yesterday. This waiting until our backs are against a wall is nonsense.
Jim SteeleJuly 24, 2015 8:23 pm
The Kerr 2015 study used bad statistical analysis to evoke climate fear and rejects the biologists consensus on landscape changes and introduced pathogens. Read full critique:Plight of the Bumble Bees: How shabby climate analyses and lax peer review promote a dreadful remedy http://landscapesandcycles.net/bumblebees-and-climate-change.html
Carl SzaboJuly 24, 2015 4:33 pm
Please do not confuse common sense with care free. One could easily confuse your condescending demeanor towards opposing science as hubris. The percentages of CO2 simply do not bear out the hype and there is plenty of science/theory to back that up. At the end of the day all you really have is theory because the duplication of your claims can not be carried out in a lab experiment.
John EnglartJuly 23, 2015 11:55 pm
I note that Australia's Ambassador for Climate Change to the UNFCCC, Mr Peter Woolcott, is absent. Already on the sidelines due to our Government support of coal and war on renewables.
Charles TeryJuly 23, 2015 6:56 pm
Then why do all the Climate Scientist run from debate. They have left out Climate History. You do know we live in the second coolest time of the current Inter-Glacial. There was debate before Odrama started falsely claiming it was a settled Science. If you refuse to debate then it can't be Science.
bernard townsendJuly 23, 2015 6:23 pm
The soot that has been drifting over towards Greenland, is going to darken a lot of the ice, increasing the speed of the ice melt. A runaway cascade is getting underway.
NickJuly 23, 2015 5:29 pm
One other thing: conservatives are not denialists; denialists are some other species
NickJuly 23, 2015 5:28 pm
When history is written, it will not be kind to folks like Abbott. He has sold his soul.
alex7070July 23, 2015 3:12 pm
All these gradual and comfortable “goals” would have been prudent 35 years ago but instead the world stonewalled the science and created fake science to cover up mankind’s careless activities. Those professionals in industry who have been well aware of the climate collapse for decades and how it could have been avoided but chose instead to build their own nest eggs and dump this mess on their children and grandchildren need to look hard in the mirror and understand what they have done. Perhaps by coming clean to the generations inheriting this mess they can teach the young how to not be so careless even when there are quick bucks to be made.
alex7070July 23, 2015 1:03 pm
We must start purposefully manipulating conditions in the polar regions. There is no way we will survive with all the ice melted and all the methane released. We have to enact fast ways to create a heat reflecting upper atmospheric phenomenon to help stop the melting. While we have to reverse the warming we must slow down the damage from the warming that has already happened.
VestiasJuly 23, 2015 10:09 am
The weather this change and the forecast for the next few decades are not encouraging Happy Sustainability 2015
jrb14July 23, 2015 4:22 am
Gee, it sure is easy to refute a position with which you disagree when you just ignore all the evidence against your position. I wish I had that same sort of carefree outlook when it comes to actually knowing what is true and what is not.
Cris CassityJuly 23, 2015 1:47 am
"Paris Climate Ministerial Sees Money...." I mean,ahem...."Progress" at the latest conspira........
tomgnhJuly 22, 2015 11:59 pm
Supermarkets contaminate the food they toss into dumpsters to discourage recovery and salvage.
Sue TomlinsonJuly 22, 2015 5:07 pm
Gee, a 3rd world country has more sense then the whole republican party in America.
ilma630July 22, 2015 2:37 pm
1. A straw poll of scientists via a meaningless questionnaire or a biased classification of abstracts doesn't constitute 'evidence'. The 97% has been debunked many times. 2. What ice melt? Arctic ice is well within the norm, and Antarctic ice is expanding. 3. What science? If you mean increasing CO2 = increasing temperatures, then that's a busted hypothesis (see 4). 4. What evidence? There's been no temperature rise in over 18 years despite significant CO2 increases (and 50+ excuses for the hiatus despite 'the science being settled'), no increase in sea level rise rates (even a slowing down), the oceans haven't acidified (they are alkaline and can NEVER EVER be acidic), flood, drought, storm, etc. trends are level or down (according to the IPCC's own technical reports and data from multiple observations), the planet is visibly greening due to the elevated CO2 levels (as CO2 is most definitely NOT a pollutant but plant food), death rates from weather events are at an historic low, food production is at an historic high via technology, and none of the alarmist predictions forecast by the so-called experts (50 million climate refugees, etc., etc.) have never materialized. There is no climate alarm! That is the evidence that's "around you".
Sunspot369July 22, 2015 12:48 pm
Sure, and let's debate whether the earth is round or flat. Maybe we should rearrange the periodic table. And while we're at it, we'll make Pi equal to exactly 3, makes all those messy computations so much easier.
Dog-styleJuly 22, 2015 11:10 am
I applaud your bravery! Woe to hypocritical world leaders.
jayarcJuly 22, 2015 9:49 am
I think the Pope wins this one, but only by a small margin. However, if the Pope were to abandon the Catholic policy on contraception, I would give his holiness my unequivocal and wholehearted support. Until that happens, I regret to say the the Church has been, and continues to be, a major contributor to abrupt climate change.
VestiasJuly 22, 2015 9:44 am
Happy Sustainability 2015
jayarcJuly 22, 2015 9:31 am
Thank you RTCC and Ed King. This is a very useful article, a good piece of work. It puts a human face on what would otherwise be a rather anonymous process.
Mickey EmersonJuly 22, 2015 2:33 am
1979, that's"really" gong back aways. Yes, I'm being funny. I've been reading through comments kind of just shaking my head. No one mentions that Antarctica, as well as the Arctic was once tropical. Something cooled the earth and it has been warming ever since, glaciers covered half the USA at one point. receding ever since They fail to mention that the melting is essential to the currants that feed the seas, You should be more concerned the plankton would all die from lack of nutrition if these currants didn't exist. Of course all life on the planet would die. I find it interesting no one seems to know or ever mention the bottom of the ocean is hot, the surface temp doesn't change all that much, but it perks off CO2. The oceans also supply most of the 02. Does anyone even know why the Antarctic is so cold? Hint, think of a hurricane circling the continent. What cooled it, magnetic ice crystals? Yes, ice crystals are magnetic at 300 degrees below zero. It was buried pretty fast, can't wait for a reply on that statement. Not that CO2 is all that important as a greenhouse gas, the ocean contributes the vast majority of it, not man, the plants are thankful. The oceans are mostly heated by the magma from under the ocean floor, vents and volcanoes. It s why the ocean floors are paved in basalt. You see there are extreme pressures down there from the water, and in the earth as well. And of course the warmer water will rise. The heavier (salt ) ice melting and plunging downward sets up the currants however that extend to the equator. It's like an engine that feeds the seas. I find it interesting no one mentions that by far, the most important green house gas, and the most plentiful, is water vapor. Also contributed mostly by the oceans. At a rate that is unfathomable. They never ever mention the carbon cycle, the hydrogen cycle or the nitrogen cycles and their importance all that much either. Nor do they mention the earth rotates on a wobble on its axis that takes thousands of years to complete, of course that changes the angle we face the sun.and causes weather change, but why bring all this up? You are all just having too much fun. Of course the earth is warmer and warming, it does it in cycles however, has since the ice age. Ups and downs while going up very gradually all the time, I didn't even bother to mention solar activity, because even though graphs prove beyond a doubt they are one of the biggest contributors of temps above the oceans, that is pretty much ignored by one group of deniers as well, I won't say which group. Yeah, that 1.2 since records is just so scary. Go pack a glass full of ice, then add water, let t melt and let me know what happens. Just having some fun along with the rest on here. Oh, does anyone know the per-cent of the planet actually inhabited by people? Hint, it is tiny. But they made you throw away all those nasty aerosol cans lol. Anyone ever see a pic from outer space with all the lighting going on constantly? Oh no, ozone. Another engine. Oh yeah, that hole that's always been there, shrinking and growing all through the ages. Well we are back to another "engine" on our planet that serves a function, and of course that brings us back to solar winds, or ion winds. Volcanoes, forest fires. Just to name a couple more contributors, and essential for rain as well. Rotation of the earth, another engine that sets up weather. Magnetism of the earth and, the sun is quite the electromagnetic phenomenon. The list goes on. It's really too bad governments fund "research" But, "yes Virginia, there is a warming", been gong on for thousands of years. Not so sure about Santa Claus. I think he is smoking pot and teaching at Berekley.
Paul FlowersJuly 22, 2015 12:59 am
And what is the down side here? most of the liberal strongholds will be underwater and they will have to learn how to support their self in the real world .
JRJuly 21, 2015 11:44 pm
True - but it would not be a linear increase. The risk lies with significant collapse of large ice sheets which could add big increases in sea level very rapidly.
Michael GrossJuly 21, 2015 11:27 pm
And they will all be flying in on their private jets or first class, staying at the best hotels and villas. Then they tell the rest of us we have to change and give up this and that to save the world. Why are they not meeting in some village in Africa?
decisivemomentJuly 21, 2015 8:45 pm
"Exponential" is the key word. 4mm a year, then 4.5, then 5, then 6, then 8 and so on, until by the mid century you're looking at several centimeters a year and by the end of the century feet per year. The current sense is that these ice sheets could disintegrate quite fast.
TomRJuly 21, 2015 8:15 pm
No. Denier IS not a rude word. But there are plenty that apply.
Robin_GuenierJuly 21, 2015 6:10 pm
"For the West the message is clear: stop pointing the finger at China ..." On the contrary, if the West is really serious about GHG reduction, it's high time it started to point the finger at China. Just consider a few facts: (1) China is, and has been for several years, the world's top GHG emitter - today responsible for approaching (if not exceeding) 30% of global emissions - more than the US and EU combined; (2) its per capita emissions exceed those of the EU (e.g. 7.33 tonnes per capita compared to 7.19 for the UK); (3) unlike the US and EU, it has declined to make any commitment to emission reduction - instead indicating a "peak" in about 15 years time (i.e. its already huge emissions will continue to rise for another decade or so) ; (4) it declines to define at what level it intends to establish that peak; (5) it declines to state what is likely to happen after the peak is attained (will emissions stabilise or decline?); (6) it opposes any suggestion that its "pledge" should be binding; (7) it opposes any suggestion of verification; (8) it insists on retaining its status as a "developing" country; and (9) its UN "pledge" is contingent on developed countries (i.e. the West) providing financial support to developing countries, at a scale starting at $100 billion in 2020 and increasing thereafter - something it knows is almost certainly unacceptable. Yet, despite all this, commentators and governments in the West just make excuses for China. Worse, they go out of their way to express admiration for anything that might be interpreted as a step in the right direction: just consider all the praise heaped on China after the so-called US-China climate deal - a "deal" under which China made no commitment of any significance. If the US and EU truly considered climate change to be a serious problem, they would be facing up to China and insisting on urgent emission reduction. But they don't. Contrary to Mr Curtin's suggestion, almost no one is pointing the finger at China. No wonder New Zealand, Japan, Canada, and Australia are willing to make only token pledges.
Wayne McKenzieJuly 21, 2015 3:05 pm
It won't be linear
mousamJuly 21, 2015 1:15 pm
The science has been thoroughly examined -- that's the 97%. Open your eyes and look around you. The empirical evidence is overwhelming. What do you think is causing the ice to melt?
MikeHJuly 21, 2015 10:35 am
You trimmed my comment but you allow complete nutters to comment here unchallenged. You cannot be serious.
FugstarJuly 21, 2015 9:54 am
Look forward to seeing the text when its been finalised. A few years ago, IMASE put one together. http://www.imase.org/index.php/52-core/statements/177-imase-declaration-on-climate-change
Rudy HaugenederJuly 21, 2015 5:41 am
Hey, at age 69, I could easily live just long enough to see it all happen. As for you readers, take into account that I am a smoker, a bit overweight, and don't anticipate living much beyond age 80.
KaipullaJuly 21, 2015 1:58 am
Why UK need 60 years to cut emissions ? (1990 - 2050) and it expect developing country like india to cut emissions before 2015 - 2035? , Your intention is to keep india under developed non industrialized poor country in the name of carbon emissions , Global warming bluff ? , UK must cut carbon emissions before 2015 for it to preach others !
MikeHJuly 21, 2015 12:45 am
Hansen has indicated that he expects a lot of discussion of this paper. Skepticism is part of the scientific process.
Dan13July 20, 2015 11:14 pm
Arctic, ice free by summer of 2015. That makes 115 out of 118 predictions that have come to pass as being wrong. Nice going Consensus Boys and Girls.
ilma630July 20, 2015 10:35 pm
I should say that I have worked professionally in data analytics, performing more data analyses (including looking for sources and reasons for anomalies) than I care to remember. Does that make me unqualified to look at data in other fields? Also, take a chap called Paul Homewood, a retired accountant I think, who now spends his time using his professional numeracy skills and expertise examining historic temperature data sets, e.g. NOAA's, for unexplained 'adjustments', and is finding plenty, slanting the temperature trend to reduce past values compared to recent ones - evidence of maleficence. Is Deben equally or better qualified to state, with no evidence of him having examined the data himself, that the latest 'version' of this data is true and must be accepted without question, along with every other pseudo-scientific conjecture the so-called climate experts come out with that he demands we accept? I don't think so. So before you start appealing to authority that so-and-so isn't qualified, please do your homework.
Steve CaseJuly 20, 2015 10:28 pm
The paper is quoted as saying: “Continued high emissions will make multi-meter sea level rise practically unavoidable and likely to occur this century,” Two meters by 2100 comes to nearly 25 mm/yr every year for the next 85 years. Currently the rate reported by satellite altimetry is 3.3 mm/yr. Steve Case - Milwaukee WI
DaBossMan1992July 20, 2015 9:05 pm
"Seems to me to be a rewording of the claims made in the late 50s and early 60s over the Atomic Bomb" The atomic bomb could destroy the world, so we stopped it with the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Climate change is also a problem, and we can stop it if the world gets together and does something.
GoldenBoysJuly 20, 2015 8:59 pm
Just took a great boat tour of Narragansett Bay, RI...a real natural wonder and in places gets to 180' deep just 20' from shore. Turns out Narragansett was carved by a retreating glacier 45,000 years ago. The earth has been warming and cooling for a long, long time...the only difference now is that the Left wants to Tax it!
John DrakeJuly 20, 2015 8:29 pm
It is SPECULATION to point to what happened 100,000 years ago and state that it applies to 100 years from now. NOT scientific data, worthy of a scholarly journal. NONE of the climate scientist models come close to that. SO....are the models now junk?
ilma630July 20, 2015 6:42 pm
And you think therefore that Deben is therefore more qualified to speak on this subject. Note: Lawson always days he's commenting on the economic policies from globull warming believers, and as a former Chancellor, eminently qualified. Ridley trained in the sciences (zoology) but has been a science writer and journalist for many years, researches his subjects diligently and used exact language to express his findings, which is significantly more than either Deben or most science/environmental journalists have done.
ilma630July 20, 2015 6:28 pm
The 'mindless' thing is to have not investigated the 97% claim, which many have done (rather than just parrot it) and found it to be nothing more than wishful thinking. It certainly doesn't stand up to any critical examination.
Climate HomeJuly 20, 2015 6:06 pm
Hi Paul, It is due to appear online this week in the Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics Discussion paper, an open-access journal. On the use of "several", as the article says, "[the paper] highlights geological data showing sea level rose 5-9 metres at the end of the Eemian interglacial period, more than 100,000 years ago. Temperatures at that time were less than 1C higher than today’s." Make your own mind up when the paper is out. Best wishes ed
Paul MatthewsJuly 20, 2015 3:38 pm
Typical of the vague, scaremongering shrieking we've come to expect from RTCC. "Several metres"? How many? And where is the so-called study? Why isn't there a link to it?
GeeKayJuly 20, 2015 12:26 pm
If there is this huge 'warming' why is Hawaii getting snow in July? Why is Australia having their coldest winter in 40 years? Why is Arctic sea ice cover tracking 2006 levels? Why is Greenland having its coldest winter since 1993 and gaining ice cover in the 'melt' season?
Alex NicolsonJuly 20, 2015 12:12 pm
The Fee and Dividend as proposed by Citizens Climate Lobby in the US solves a lot of the problems. As a steadily rising fee on carbon at source, it covers all products and gives industry a time and cost framework in which to change. It is revenue neutral for government as all money is returned to the population in monthly dividends. This stimulates the local economy, creates jobs, lowers emissions, and cleans up the pollution thus saving lives. The lower 60% of households receive more dividend than they pay in rising costs. No economic argument here. Could be applied internationally with rising fee to suit different countries needs. www.citizensclimatelobby
balagan123July 20, 2015 11:30 am
This is why the carbon charge should be put on the country that uses the product. Think of the implications of that for a minute.
PeterJuly 20, 2015 12:07 am
Although I posted in a chart above that the units of power from new hydro are more expensive than onshore wind, there is no doubt that "despatchable" hydro from dams - hydro for which the generation time can be controlled - is much more valuable than units of power from wind which are notoriously absent when the wind is not blowing. The right way to look at it is wind + solar + despatchable hydro + run of river hydro vs fossil fuel generation. Never hydro vs wind because the two are complementary, not competing.
PeterJuly 20, 2015 12:02 am
“I have a financial interest in coal mining on my family's land. The details are commercially confidential, but I have always been careful to disclose that I have this interest in my writing when it is relevant; I am proud that the coal mining on my land contributes to the local and national economy; and that my income from coal is not subsidized and not a drain on the economy through raising energy prices. I deliberately do not argue directly for the interests of the modern coal industry and I consistently champion the development of gas reserves, which is a far bigger threat to the coal-mining industry than renewable energy can ever be. So I consistently argue against my own financial interest.”
PeterJuly 19, 2015 11:59 pm
Certainly if you are going to build a NEW generating station then onshore wind tends to have the lowest LCOE (levelized cost of electricity). Typically in the interior of the USA the new onshore wind LCOE is less than 5 cents per kWh, and often less than the running costs (mostly fuel) of CCGT natural gas generation. http://api.ning.com/files/PPvr8qsXbQmWJ543dyFtSV5d1B86gBEHqzx0Jg0yEHB7rnAuG*K631Tm3x9xH-NSVmFAFlQfNT-*w1T77--YIeK-U4heQgXK/lcoe20152019WithFuelCostBars.png The black bars under "Gas" and "Coal" are fuel and other running costs. Go figure, but the answer is that if you have a lot of CCGT generation then in a lot of places now you can save money and lower consumer prices by installing offshore wind to save fuel and other running costs of fossil fuel generating stations. By contrast onshore wind is more expensive - probably around twice the price oif onshore wind (Danish Horns Rev III offshore wind farm contracted for 10.3 Eurocents / kWh. But that is because it is much further from maturity than onshore wind. Existing hydro is certainly very cheap, but then so is any form of technology whose capital costs have been written off. No one in their right minds is suggesting we should shut down UK hydro in favour of wind or solar. The right solution is a blend of hydro, wind and solar, maybe with fossil fuel generation equipped with CCS (carbon capture and sequestration), where you use wind and solar power when available, and hydro and CCS fossil fuel when not. The gap is of the order of 20-40% of the time. The "silent wind power revolution" has not yet made itself felt in installed wind power prices. The idea is that you provide smaller generators and larger rotors, and it is expected that in the USA it will provide onshore wind capacity factors of a minimum of 60% in a 2m sq km - a considerable area of the USA. See http://cleantechnica.com/2015/05/26/new-wind-turbines-capacity-factor-increase-40-60/ Because price tends to go more with generator cost than rotor size, even onshore wind prices have further to fall. Watch this space.
PeterJuly 19, 2015 11:42 pm
Those who deny mainstream climate science are rightly called "climate science deniers". To call them "Climate science skeptics" is wrong because skepticism is based on a thorough perusal and appreciation of all the evidence and I have yet to hear of a single example of a climate science denier who has even registered and completed a free online MOOC (multiple user online course) on atmospheric physics or climate science. You would have thought such a course would provide a basic first step in understanding the topic.
PeterJuly 19, 2015 11:30 pm
Very bad idea. A public debate in which the representation is unrepresentative plays to the desire of the climate skeptic Lords Lawson and Ridley who are always on the lookout for free publicity which they will now no longer get for their warped views. Should any such debate take place, it should give the vast majority (say 90%) of the speaking time to scientists who are experts on the topic, 5% to politicians who support action on climate change (Amber Rudd should be invited). The skeptic Lords can have the remaining 5%. That way the public get to understand just how isolated in the science community the pair of Lords actually are.
CyberEd65July 19, 2015 11:12 pm
"Human beings could cause the ending of life on the planet" - Really? Seems to me to be a rewording of the claims made in the late 50s and early 60s over the Atomic Bomb ... now a hoax about global warming is the latest lame snake oil the governments of the world are selling to feeble minded, uneducated people to control them and rake more wealth and power their way ...
moonrakinJuly 19, 2015 10:50 pm
I well know the numbers and am not in need of examples. I know some hydropower works without subsidy - I remain to be convinced that can be said for windmills. If it's useful industrial quantities of on demand electricity you're looking for - you are categorically barking up the wrong tree. Neither wind nor hydro are going to keep the lights on - and they NEVER will. They can NEVER be used as base load. If any "renewables" were to be constrained in the way that the present base load electricity providers are and subjected to a punitive revenue regime which precludes both capacity and efficiency enhancements - we wouldn't have them - end of.... The subsidies stink and innumerate meddling has distorted the electricity business to the point where the word "farce" is inadequate.
TomRJuly 18, 2015 8:07 pm
Nigel Lawson and Matt Ridley have put vastly more thought and consideration into the issue than has Deben . . . except for the fact that they lack ANY relevant qualifications to express the tiniest of opinions about this matter. A disgusting pair of toads.
TomRJuly 18, 2015 8:05 pm
SO WRONG. As is now clear, temperatures have risen, and are continuing to rise. Use of false data: the domain of cretins
TomRJuly 18, 2015 8:02 pm
Let's be perfectly clear. There is no point in debating with mindless, completely unqualified (in this field) cretins: The Lords Lawson and Ridley. In addition, there is no point in discussing an issue about which the science is now (97+%) certain. The only sensible thing to do is discuss mitigation and the best way to reduce carbon emissions. Anything else is a waste of time. And suggesting anything else is pretty mindless too.
John SamuelJuly 18, 2015 1:24 pm
Denier is not a rude word.
John SamuelJuly 18, 2015 1:23 pm
I have a financial interest in coal mining on my family's land
In his own words. http://www.rationaloptimist.com/explore-blagdon
John SamuelJuly 18, 2015 1:22 pm
I have a financial interest in coal mining on my family's land
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/explore-blagdon
John SamuelJuly 18, 2015 1:21 pm
I have a financial interest in coal mining on my family's land
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/explore-blagdon
John SamuelJuly 18, 2015 1:19 pm
I have a financial interest in coal mining on my family's land
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/explore-blagdon You seem a bit rude and tetchy.
eusebio manuelJuly 18, 2015 11:18 am
Technology developers can help create jobs and increase incomes in developing countries to the people with new opportunities employment and income strengthens the miidle class and enables local and global economy becomes vibrant Happy Sustainability 2015
RichWallJuly 18, 2015 8:33 am
Awareness. It seems alarmists would want people's cooperation if its true, and skeptics would have chance to see if there is actually good reason to be taxed more for it.
Bob BinghamJuly 18, 2015 5:55 am
I would be interested to know where Lawson gets the money for his foundation. I suspect that it is from American coal and oil companies. Whatever the source its a sorry way to make a living, distorting clear scientific evidence for a pocket full of cash.
Todd NelsonJuly 17, 2015 11:09 pm
And we are supposed to trust in the temperature data we receive from government funded groups who have been found to be guilty of changing the published data from the raw data??? The only place we actually find any global warming is in the computers of the global scammers, aka "climate scientists". If the temperature is not going up, they don't have jobs. Of course they are going to say there is "climate change", or risk losing their grants and other public monies. Observed temperatures have not risen in over 18 years. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to pick your pocket, or is too stupid to realize "climate change" is fraud.
Earl DeckerJuly 17, 2015 8:33 pm
Blieden- The only warming that has occurred is the these past 18yrs. has been due to the AGW scientists revising their past models and finagling the temperatures to make it so. All those sites you cite are AGW biased BS ones. The idea of the pause was originally coined a " hiatus" by the AGW scientists that noted no accelerated increase of warming was occurring that their models predicted. You can not fix stupids Just change their definitions. and find the missing heat in the depths of the oceans where it has been hidden for the last 18yrs. Another silly scientific research article found out the temperature data had not been tabulated properly (Finagled and readjusted) by previous scientists for the past 18yrs. There have been so many new research articles trying to explain away why there has been an 18 yr. temperature hiatus and now they all are trying to say there was not a "pause". They can not seem to get their science correct and stories straight. And we are to believe them. I think not.
Steve RichardsJuly 17, 2015 8:28 pm
It is no more innumerate than the tosh put out by people who 'believe' in manmade global warming. The data is from RSS. I used this command: wget ftp://ftp.remss.com/msu/monthly_time_series/rss_monthly_msu_amsu_channel_tlt_anomalies_land_and_ocean_v03_3.txt to get the latest land and ocean lower troposphere temperatures. I then opened the txt document in openoffice (works with excel as well) and copied the third column of data ( -70 -> +82.5 degrees) into a new sheet. I added the formula LINEST() --> linear regression (the "least squares" method) as used by Prof. Phil Jones of CRU fame, with the start and end inputs to the regression being the latest temp anomaly and the anomaly of the row that you are on. You can inspect this by looking at row 678, the regression runs from 678 to the beginning of this data. Observe the 'result' in row 678 column D, " 7.387633E-006" This indicates that the slope of the line from 222 months ago to now, is approx +7 micro degrees. This is the furthest we can currently go from NOW back to some time when the temperature is not reducing. 222 months = 18.5 years. Here is my spreadsheet:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K18J28vaCcbCflhrWOpQN65rm1-WvTCWlJ559fYo70A/edit?usp=sharing (Download it, do not run it as a google sheet) If you don't trust me (and you should not), repeat the process yourself. The steps described here are self explanatory. On the accuracy of satellite measurements: they are calibrated and QA checked with radiosondes in a very public way. You could propose that terrestrial data sets be used but I know of no land based system that has sufficient coverage density, that has not been seriously impaired by 'old' measurements being edited. It works with openoffice, libreoffice and excel and probably others. If you still feel the urge to stay with terrestrial datasets, you have to justify to yourself why historic temperatures (dust bowl etc) are adjusted. If you can live with the above decision, you then need to justify to yourself the infilling techniques that governmental bodies use when the assign (make up ) temperatures a thousand kilometres away from a sensor.
slycatJuly 17, 2015 8:14 pm
100% false
Robin_GuenierJuly 17, 2015 6:05 pm
I'm glad you don't think it the worst idea. And, yes, they do debate these matters from time to time in the HoL. But such debates rarely get anywhere because of the structure of debate there - for example the right of any member, informed or not, to chip in. Judging by this excellent website, RTCC would seem to be well connected and reasonably well funded. Were you to organise a properly structured debate, I think it would attract a lot of attention - both to the debate itself and to RTCC. A win/win.
Robin_GuenierJuly 17, 2015 5:57 pm
Well TP (a) knowing who is most convincing is useful anyway, (b) it would provide an opportunity to see if Lawson and Ridley are indeed 'rude and touchy' or perhaps, as some have suggested, the label applies more accurately to Deben and (c) it might, as I've suggested, go some way to redress the latter's concern about the 'lacklustre' level of debate in the UK. And, in any case, it could be most interesting, informative and even entertaining.
Shaun A J StockdaleJuly 17, 2015 2:51 pm
does he own land that coal is mined from? does he receive a rent for access to the extraction site(s)? its easy to drag ones knuckles across the keyboard with rants ug ug
caerbannogJuly 17, 2015 2:40 pm
Following up on this -- computing decent "ballpark estimates" of global-average temperatures from surface temperature data isn't all that difficult. It's something that a sharp college student who is well-versed in math and computer programming could do for a class project. Furthermore, adjusted and *unadjusted* temperature data-sets are freely available in easy-to-use formats. Running the adjusted and unadjusted temperature data through the above college-student's basic temperature algorithm would produce results quite similar to the results that NASA publishes -- a slam-dunk confirmation of the fact that you don't need to "adjust" the data to see the strong warming-trend in the global surface-temperature record. Contrast that with the situation you have with satellite data. Where can you find global-average temperature estimates computed from *raw* satellite data? You can't. The satellite data requires so many corrections and adjustments to get meaningful temperature results that raw data results would be essentially meaningless. Surface-temperature data processing is extremely straightforward and transparent compared to satellite-data processing. That is a major reason that even the folks who analyze satellite data (i.e. the RSS folks) trust the surface temperature data more than they do their own satellite data.
WarrenJuly 17, 2015 2:35 pm
No science is completely 'settled', and no Climate scientist, or any other scientist makes such a foolish claim. But the basics of AGW are well known, and every scientific institution on the planet, every major university, NASA and NOAA, and 99.9% of peer-reviewed science papers conclude that Man's activities are warming the Earth, dangerously so. ALL. NO exceptions. As strong a consensus as there is for the basics of Relativity, DNA, Evolution, or Plate Tectonics. So your 'opinions' have no basis in Science. But if you want to follow black magic or some other form of mysticism, knock yourself out.
There's PhysicsJuly 17, 2015 2:00 pm
You do realise that Deben is referring to fossil fuels costs not including all external costs? Hence, they are cheaper than they would be if externalities were included in the price. Estimates vary, but many suggests that externalities should be at the level of 10s of dollars per MWh.
Climate HomeJuly 17, 2015 1:29 pm
Not the worst idea Robin, but I don't need to organise it. They all debate on these issues in the House of Lords which is free for all to watch ;) ed
BliedenJuly 17, 2015 1:20 pm
Hope you are being sarcastic. Warming has increased the entire time. The idea of the warming "pause" is misguided, and the evidence of continued, even accelerated warming has been available for years. That anyone is still repeating this line galls me to no end. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/18/faux-pause-media-ignore-study-finding-globe-is/196939 http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/03/25/1768601/in-hot-water-global-warming-has-accelerated-in-past-15-years-new-study-of-oceans-confirms/ http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50382/abstract http://m.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/07/08/science.aaa4521.abstract
There's PhysicsJuly 17, 2015 1:05 pm
All that a formal debate would tell us is who can sound more convincing. What's the point of that?
Bob AndersonJuly 17, 2015 1:04 pm
Ignoring the fact that you don't give a source so we don't know which temperatures you are talking about (wouldn't be the RSS set by any chance would it?), this sort of statement is innumerate. When you say 18 years and 6 months do you mean that you have drawn a straight line from some measurement that length of time ago? Or are you saying that this is all of the data that you have available? Or have you calculated a trend from this period of data and ignored any other data you might have (and therefore have thrown away useful information about the trend and variance)? What sort of statistical confidence can you assign to your statement? Assuming it is the RSS data that you are quoting, why is it that you are so interested in tropospheric temperatures as opposed to surface temperatures, given that it is the surface where humans live? And why are you so trusting of the sophisticated computer models that have to be applied to derive temperatures from the microwave data that satellites actually measure? And why are you so trusting of all of the adjustments that have had to be made to the data, particularly as there has been a history of errors in addition to the inherent difficulties in processing such data?
MightyDrunkenJuly 17, 2015 10:01 am
Onshore wind is the cheapest renewable energy in the UK, large hydropower schemes are cheaper but the UK has no suitable locations. For instance Glendoe Hydro Scheme has a installed capacity of 100MW and capacity factor of 20%, costing £160 million. Hadyard Hill Wind farm has a nameplate capacity of 130MW and similar capacity factor for £85 million. Hydropower in the UK is usually used to provide power when needed so provides "more valuable electricity" and is well suited to pair up with the variability of wind.
PunkstaJuly 17, 2015 9:43 am
Like we need a study to tell us that man-made global warming promoters are paid shills of the state.
Robin_GuenierJuly 17, 2015 9:38 am
Ed: it's clear from the comments that many people do not agree either that Lords Lawson and Ridley are losing the debate or that they are rude and touchy. So why not put it to the test? I suggest RTCC might arrange for a public debate between Lawson and Ridley on the one hand and Lord Deben, supported perhaps by Lord Stern, on the other. Deben thinks the level of debate in the UK has been 'lacklustre' - this might go some way to redress that. What about it?
PunkstaJuly 17, 2015 9:31 am
Another much ignored truth. The state : * is the primary funder of climate science, outspending everyone else (including fossil companies) on it put together, by three or four orders of magnitude * has an obvious and monumental vested interest in fostering climate alarm
PunkstaJuly 17, 2015 9:13 am
Since very close to 100% of climate science and propaganda money comes from the state, how can the state scientists possibly be "cowed" ? It's simply ludicrous. They well know their grant money will keep coming as long as they just stick to the alarmist script; everyone knows this is what will help justify state expansion in the form of green CO2 taxes and suchlike.
PunkstaJuly 17, 2015 9:03 am
This groupthink, even if true, is as nothing compared to obvious groupthink and brute force of state-funded climate scientists. The basic facts are that the state: * is the primary funder of climate science, outspending everyone else (including fossil companies) on it put together, by three or four orders of magnitude * has an obvious and monumental vested interest in fostering climate alarm The predictable result we all know.
JLJuly 17, 2015 12:02 am
Weatherman can't tell me if it's going to rain tomorrow with any accuracy. I'm supposed to believe they can predict the next 100 years of global climate? Furthermore, the debate is NOT settled as the computer models used by IPCC have proven to be wholly inaccurate. We've gone from Global Cooling to Global Warming to "hell we don't know what's going on so we'll call it 'Climate Change!'"
Dodgy GeezerJuly 16, 2015 8:31 pm
...Ridley, Times columnist and coal mine owner,... But he's NOT a coal mine owner. Why do climate change fanatics tell lies that are so easily disproved?
SnotrocketJuly 16, 2015 8:21 pm
Ed: I take it your are against coal. Does that mean that you think Scargill was wrong to want to keep the mines open in 1984/5?
Jack CowperJuly 16, 2015 7:47 pm
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2015/7/16/casual-smears-at-rtcc.html#comments
John WBJuly 16, 2015 7:30 pm
Deben accuses someone else of being "rude" and "touchy"? My god this clown has no sense of self does he. He is the most obnoxious character around.
spenycJuly 16, 2015 7:14 pm
Some years ago I read about the "mirrors in space" idea, for reflecting sunlight away from the planet, and one of the major things that seemed good about it was it was relatively easily undone (compared to, say, substances sprayed into the atmosphere). Ever since I have held it in mind as a possible last-minute emergency action if humanity doesn't respond rapidly enough to hold back catastrophe. But I hear nothing about it anymore. Has the idea been discredited?
Nick GrealyJuly 16, 2015 7:06 pm
Deben supports fracking and has said so on numerous occasions.
Steve RichardsJuly 16, 2015 6:13 pm
Looking at the link you provide from the OECD: http://www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asset-Management/oecd/environment/inventory-of-estimated-budgetary-support-and-tax-expenditures-for-fossil-fuels-2013_9789264187610-en#page370 adding the 'reduced VAT figures we get 4 + 380 + 3510 = 4894 million GBP. But this is *NOT* a subsidy, it is a low tax rate. Looking at what taxes these companies have to pay: PRT, RFCT and Supp Charge detailed on page 361. Hardly a tax free paradise!
David SmithJuly 16, 2015 5:34 pm
'Know' and 'where'. Typing on a phone is never easy
David SmithJuly 16, 2015 5:33 pm
This article has got so much wrong with it I don't no wre to start. Let's start with this: Ridley does not own a coal mine, although I wouldn't care if he did.
Steve RichardsJuly 16, 2015 5:01 pm
And still the temperatures have not risen for 18 years and 6 months!
climatehawk1July 16, 2015 4:53 pm
The headline here seems to lend itself to the denier narrative about international groups like the UN seeking world domination (plus it's pulled from about paragraph 20). I'd rather see something like "Stopping climate change key to sustainability, helping world's poor."
moonrakinJuly 16, 2015 4:18 pm
Onshore wind is the cheapest form of renewable energy? As a hydropower operator I'm not just going to agree to differ - over a straightforward lie.... Really - you people really don't do yourselves any favours when it comes to advocacy seen in the wider public sphere do you?
newminsterJuly 16, 2015 3:19 pm
What is it with you? You're worse than Nixon who famously lied from habit and if he caught himself telling the truth lied just to keep in practice. Ridley is not a "coal mine owner", as well you know, but hey! we wouldn;'t want the truth to get in the way of a good bit of bigotry, would we? And why FFS do you believe that a degree in History makes that idiot Gummer any more qualified to talk on climate than Ridley or Lawson or anyone else?
Joe PublicJuly 16, 2015 3:17 pm
"Tuvalu PM warns against suing oil majors for climate damage" Particularly as his country builds airport, & holiday infrastructure to encourage & increase tourism. Which depends upon oil to power the aircraft ferrying in the tourists.
Joe PublicJuly 16, 2015 3:15 pm
"What could a legally binding UN climate deal look like?" Expensive?
SeanJuly 16, 2015 2:02 pm
Spinners just show the satellite data starting at 1996. Look at a linear regression line through the whole data set back to 1979 and let me know if there is an overall warming trend. better yet look at the 1000 year hockey stick graph proven by several proxies.
SeanJuly 16, 2015 1:52 pm
I suggest actually looking into those journals cited on popular technology. They aren't university recognized academic journals. Many are strange evangelical publishers. Many of the articles were also write by Willie soon. Check out some of the recent news articles on that guy.
ilma630July 16, 2015 1:25 pm
“Any fool can make a profit if he sells his product at low cost and that’s exactly what the fossil fuel industry is doing,” is the most ridiculous statement I've heard for some time. Any free-market product has to set a price that is the balance of profit-making and affordable. That's what coal oil and gas do (WITHOUT SUBSIDY), but Deben's cherished renewables singularly fail to do. DECC has overspent the renewables budget by £1.5Bn (thank God Davey was booted out) so it needed drastic curtailment before it basically bankrupted us (i.e. the energy consumer). These 'green' policies are pushing thousands into poverty, yet Deben would hold this up as the example for the world to follow. Fools if they do. Nigel Lawson and Matt Ridley have put vastly more thought and consideration into the issue than has Deben, offering calm and rational discourse and argument. All I ever see from Deben is snarling, snobbish dismissal of anyone who disagrees with him, and I have heard him at a live panel session - what utter gibberish he spoke!
Paul MatthewsJuly 16, 2015 1:10 pm
Remarkable hypocrisy from Lord Deben. He's the one who is rude and touchy, frequently referring to 'deniers' in his tweets.
RichardJuly 16, 2015 3:57 am
Legal or illegal the negative impacts on biodiversity and climate is the same. The only way to decrease cutting is to decrease demand and how can that be done? Alternative (construction, furniture) materials which don't include new negative impacts. Is there any R&D being done on fake hard wood materials? Is it even possible?
RichardJuly 16, 2015 3:55 am
Legal or illegal the negative impacts on biodiversity and climate is the same. The only way to decrease cutting is to decrease demand and how can that be done? Alternative materials which don't also include new negative impacts?
9.8m/ssJuly 16, 2015 2:05 am
The finding: chlorofluorocarbons catalyze the destruction of stratospheric ozone. The prediction: Banning them will slow the destruction, and the ozone layer will recover. The science was sound and the public policy was effective.
TurboblockeJuly 15, 2015 10:36 pm
Business always complains about having to clean up it's mess. The ones that innovate will benefit from a carbon tax. The lazy will not.
Michael AldaxJuly 15, 2015 9:53 pm
Ed, in fairness to your readers, you may want to include in your report whether you have been to the city of Richmond or have spoken with members of the West County community about the Richmond Standard. In your reporting, you interviewed Chevron’s leading critic, who is not a Richmond resident but rather an activist posing as a scientist, and quoted an LA Times columnist who also has never been to Richmond and who is known for a lack of balance in his coverage. It’s clear you made no attempt to speak with community members about the Richmond Standard’s news coverage. Nor did you even scrape the surface of the fascinating media landscape in Richmond. This area is hardly a media vacuum. Aside from regional publications, there are multiple news blogs and newspapers in Richmond. The local progressive organization runs a print paper in Spanish called La Voz, and the city’s mayor, often a Chevron critic, is known for having one of the best read blogs/e-forum’s in town. As I told you in our email exchange, the Standard offers balance to the Bay Area media market. What’s more concerning about your article, however, is that it assumes the Bay Area Air Quality Management District figures we presented are inferior to the word of an activist. BAAQMD is a regional, government agency regulating air pollution sources. Check out its website, give the agency a call or talk to local independent experts who have worked on Refinery projects. To simply rely on an activist’s allegations about the data and source is disingenuous to your readers. I do thank you, however, for describing the Richmond Standard’s stories as upbeat and positive, although for whatever reason you poke fun at it. I’m proud of this coverage. We describe ourselves as community-driven because a majority of our stories are, in fact, developed by request from local community members. Since we don’t accept advertising and thus are not concerned with clicks, we offer up the Standard as a community bulletin board where residents can get the word out about local happenings. They become articles that are highly-sought after in a tightly-knit community. Richmond residents know their city is a far greater place than what is projected in regional and national media, which has the bandwidth only to focus on crime or the colorful infighting on City Council. We cover many important and useful articles that go uncovered in other media, such as progress on local infrastructure projects, City Hall happenings, local festivals, and we also even cover breaking police and fire news. We are a pioneering form of news media, one that believes local news ought to include a multiplicity of voices and perspectives. -- Mike
christyc28July 15, 2015 9:05 pm
I'd love to see this happen in the US! Congress would be the 1st on my list for not only refusing to do anything, lying to the public, denying climate change BUT most of all, for those who have continued to profit from their oil company employers! I don't know how they sleep at night!
Charles TeryJuly 15, 2015 8:41 pm
Globie Warmies have no won a single debate. That is why since 09 you all parade around with the "It's Settled Science" That is not even close to reality.
Charles TeryJuly 15, 2015 8:40 pm
Read it and weep, plus the author editorialized the paper. You globie warmies always have to hide the truth in citing unrelated issues. What does the temp have to do with the less than 1 mm a year in sea level rise. http://www.nasa.gov/press/2014/october/nasa-study-finds-earth-s-ocean-abyss-has-not-warmed/#.Vaa2dfnjKDk
Joe StaceyJuly 15, 2015 3:58 pm
I think It was in 2012 when all the fuss was about sea ice breaking off the west coast of Antarctica and floating away. They tried to blame it on global warming but it was due to unusually strong westerly winds. What they also forgot to mention at the time was; while the ice was breaking up on the west coast the ice off the East coast of Antarctica grew at the same time by half a million square kilometers.
Joe StaceyJuly 15, 2015 3:36 pm
"the sixth lowest extent since records began" that means that there were 5 other years of LOWER ice coverage, therefore there must have been many, many more years of greater ice coverage which you disregard. Who is paying you to lie by omission?
Joe StaceyJuly 15, 2015 3:18 pm
Australia is a big place, where in Australia do you? Can't be in Victoria or Tasmania. I live in the state of Victoria, and I'm bloody freezing my nuts off. We've had low temperatures for months with many days not going over 10 degrees centigrade. People in NSW and Queensland are also bitching about the cold weather they're having. Why the cold weather? Simple, the Antarctic is around 20 million sq kilometers, the largest it's been in decades and as you would know or should know is that the weather in the lower states is influenced greatly by south and south west winds which blow off Antarctica - and my power bill is going through the roof. (Summer temperatures in 2015 were also cooler here in Victoria.)
Charles TeryJuly 14, 2015 10:53 pm
NASA still has not found any extra heat. I am sorry if you are clueless about NASA's paper about not finding the hidden heat in the Deep Ocean. It was published last October.
Robin_GuenierJuly 14, 2015 4:49 pm
In the event (unlikely in my view) that a deal (or part of a deal) in Paris were expressed as being 'legally binding', it would still be necessary to determine how it would be enforced. And the enforcement of any treaty or other international agreement is notoriously difficult. The usual remedies at International Law are: (1) Reciprocity, whereby an injured state seeks to inconvenience or damage an alleged transgressor – for example, if in a trade dispute one state contrary to a treaty imposes high tariffs on another, the latter would do likewise in return; (2) Collective Action, whereby several states collaborate to enforce compliance, e.g. via economic sanctions or even warfare; and (3) Shaming, whereby public statements are made to "name and shame" an alleged transgressor. Only the last of these seems likely, in practice, to be appropriate to a climate treaty - but even that would be ineffective if the alleged transgressor, especially if it were a powerful country, simply didn't care or took no notice - e.g. note how so many countries seem impervious to allegations of human rights abuse. So effective enforcement of a climate treaty would seem to be close to impossible. In any case, it’s hard to see how it would be feasible to establish the worldwide regulatory and inspection regime essential for equitable and effective monitoring and verification of compliance. And of course any such treaty that incorporated vague or meaningless words such as "target", "objective", "ambition", "intention" and "hope" could not be enforced anyway. Indeed any ambiguity or lack of clarity in the wording of a treaty is in practice likely to vitiate its enforcement. In my view, this hard, practical and vitally important problem is too easily and too often ignored in the context of climate negotiations.
WarrenJuly 13, 2015 11:01 pm
Since you don't understand what NASA has published, I suggest you contact NASA for clarification to clear up your confusion.
WarrenJuly 13, 2015 10:08 pm
Since you don't seem to understand NASA's findings on the topic, I suggest you contact them. They should be able to clear up your confusion.
UpperLeftCoastJuly 13, 2015 12:42 am
And the photo at the top somehow makes the graph in the article unreliable?
UpperLeftCoastJuly 13, 2015 12:38 am
"I have read several of the thousands of scientific papers refuting AGW" Please post a link to a bibliography listing these "thousands of scientific papers refuting AGW."
UpperLeftCoastJuly 13, 2015 12:33 am
Yeah. And those who believe in Intelligent Design should be represented at every conference of biologists. And those who believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old should be represented at every conference of geologists.
UpperLeftCoastJuly 13, 2015 12:29 am
"The alarmism of climate studies is correlated with funding available for research" Please cite the study demonstrating this "correlation."
UpperLeftCoastJuly 13, 2015 12:27 am
You actually accept the so-called Law of Gravity? Its the biggest hoax of all, perpetuated by Liberals and other radical Communists to keep us down! Even the so-called conservatives have been bought off to look the other way. That's why they don't repeal it!
UpperLeftCoastJuly 13, 2015 12:25 am
"Obama and other dictators " LOL!!!!
UpperLeftCoastJuly 13, 2015 12:24 am
The article addressed social and political aspects of climate change, and its publication in a journal devoted to that subject makes perfect sense.
UpperLeftCoastJuly 13, 2015 12:23 am
"The idea that it might be mostly man caused very likely is" You state this in terms of statistical probability. Please cite the study that concluded that human causation of global climate warming is 90% likely to be a "hoax?" "Even human beings exhaling are part of that concern" No, they are not. the problem is not the Carbon that is exhaled by any living organism, because that Carbon will presumably be used by other living things and continue to cycle through the biosphere. The problem is huge amount of Carbon that was stored in fossil fuels tens and hundreds of million years ago and which is being released into the atmosphere over a relatively very short time.
UpperLeftCoastJuly 13, 2015 12:17 am
Classic illogic. It presumes that if a phenomenon occurred previously due to one cause, then that is the only possible cause. For example: A distant relative of mine died when a mammoth stepped on her while hunting the mammoth. Therefore, people no longer die because mammoths are now extinct.
UpperLeftCoastJuly 13, 2015 12:13 am
While some places had record cold temperatures last year, the planet as a whole is continuing the long running warming trend that started with the industrial revolution. But don't let the facts get in your way.
UpperLeftCoastJuly 13, 2015 12:07 am
The decision in the Washington state case is actually quite limited and decidedly non-precedential. Basically, the law suit is to get the state Dept. of Ecology to consider a rule making petition to establish limits on CO2 emissions. The (lower level) court ruled that the agency has to formally consider the petition. When this and similar cases reach the appellate level is when the decisions will have import.
UpperLeftCoastJuly 13, 2015 12:02 am
"soon all countries will be controlled by their government" Instead of . . . . ? Oh, I know. The correct answer is fossil fuel oligarchs!
WarrenJuly 12, 2015 7:01 pm
You say 'if I can win debates'. Unfortunately for you, the Deniers have LOST all the debates because Science is not on your side --ALL the world's scientific institutions conclude AGW, ALL of them --NO exceptions. NASA is just one of hundreds including the Science Academies of the US, UK, Japan, China, France Germany, and many others. A Scientific basis for denying AGW doesn't exist.
Patricia BorchmannJuly 11, 2015 7:12 pm
an outstanding invitation - to make 2015 a year like no other. Make a difference.!
graysouthonJuly 11, 2015 5:34 am
Many good issues here - and another is freight - which is principally by road. There is very little attempt to upgrade rail and divert freight to it. This is a very long highly urbanised country, and rail, especially electric rail, has a lot to offer. Instead they are moving from electric to diesel in the North Island main trunk line (which is only 1 track), and putting enormous funds into roads.
Sid AbmaJuly 11, 2015 4:37 am
Nima, do you have 24/7 electricity? How long do you want these countries and these peoples to yet have to wait - so they can enjoy what you have? Done right - these power plants can be set up to have near zero emissions. The recovered heat energy can be used to heat or cool large commercial greenhouses producing food for the country and jobs for the community. Waste is not a waste if it has been given a purpose. Combusted fossil fuels has been given a purpose. It will Not be bad for the Environment, but it will be good for the Economy. Combusting fossil fuels is old school. It's time to look over the edge of the box. There is a better way, and it is good for the Environment. www.SidelSystems.com www.SidelGlobal.com The World needs Electrical Energy, and it needs to produce it much more efficiently than is being done today, and it also has to be done economically to keep electricity costs down.
terk819July 11, 2015 2:29 am
Selling climate change and redistribution isn't going to be easy, the one world order agenda under the guise of saving the planet will fail in America, we love our freedom and won't give it up to the UN or government
HabilusJuly 11, 2015 2:23 am
You are saying Freeman Dyson(the guy who replaced Einstein at Princeton), Richard Linzen, and Will Happer don't understand the basics of science?
HabilusJuly 11, 2015 2:15 am
Name one prediction environmentalists got right, just one.
HabilusJuly 11, 2015 2:12 am
Way to keep spewing the hate! Now go back to facebook and twitter, see how many comments you got on your comments.
Steven HallJuly 11, 2015 12:53 am
"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) First Assessment Report (FAR) was published in 1990. Its purpose was to assess the available scientific information related to the various components of climate change, and to formulate realistic response strategies for the management of the climate change issue." "10.4.5 Summary Climate change can affect the productivity and the storage of organic carbon in marine ecosystems The community composition of marine ecosystems will also be affected Details of these effects cannot be predicted at the present time There is also the possibility that the net exchange of trace gases (e g , organic sulphur gases) between the oceans and the atmosphere could be altered but this, too, is uncertain " The Summary of 1990 shall again be applied to the talks in Paris of 2015 . All talk and no action .. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/let-s-talk-trash/x/8319278#/story
Carl SzaboJuly 10, 2015 9:27 pm
More of the same hype with very little information to prove AGW.
Carl JensenJuly 10, 2015 9:04 pm
I like the attitude of the natives and am all for helping them out, man-induced warming or not. My question, however, is what is this money going towards? Islands in the Pacific get storms. Money won't stop that. Hire Dutch engineers to build dikes and levees around the islands? Heh, that would be something. Or maybe we could set up dredges and pump ocean bottom onto the land... except that would salinate everything. Okay, maybe barges of good soil from Asia. That might work. Honestly, I hear a lot of talk about money and no talk about what the money will go towards. Not only is that financially irresponsible, but it leads to non-accountability for the spending. I call that being foolish with the best of intents.
DMAllenJuly 10, 2015 9:01 pm
The climate wars do everyone a disservice. Let's get back to the science- https://sites.google.com/site/climatesensitivity/
Heard_It_All_BeforeJuly 10, 2015 8:42 pm
What that proves is that you will disavow any knowledge that contradicts your ideologically driven, self induced ignorance. The poll worked perfectly to show that it matters little what your knowledge of the subject is when your ideologies trump actual knowledge. Congratulations, steve48. You just validated the article.
Charles TeryJuly 10, 2015 8:08 pm
Warren They still have not found the missing heat it is not in the oceans and it is not hiding in the atmosphere. The so called hottest years are not so hot after all since the actual result fell within the margin of error. NASA last October published sorry AGW we couldn't find the heat the Dr. Mann claimed was there. Warren AGW will never stand to the light of a debate.
John HaganJuly 10, 2015 6:42 pm
Ha...Stiglitz. This is the same guy who predicted that Greece would never default on its obligations, and that the Greek economy was perfectly capable of managing even more debt. He also thinks austerity measures are a bad idea, despite the fact that the Greek government is unable to collect 90% of the taxes that it's owed, but spending on social programs has risen dramatically. I think we can stop touting "Nobel Prize winning" as a badge of honor in any of the fields that require objectivity. Economics, Literature and Peace categories have become a Progressive Fundamentalist sham.
ActtorneyatliarJuly 10, 2015 5:30 pm
The chorus of skeptical scientific voices grew louder in 2010 as the Climategate scandal — which involved the upper echelon of UN IPCC scientists — detonated upon on the international climate movement. “I view Climategate as science fraud, pure and simple,” said noted Princeton Physicist Dr. Robert Austin shortly after the scandal broke. Climategate prompted UN IPCC scientists to turn on each other. UN IPCC scientist Eduardo Zorita publicly declared that his Climategate colleagues Michael Mann and Phil Jones “should be barred from the IPCC process…They are not credible anymore.” Zorita also noted how insular the IPCC science had become. “By writing these lines I will just probably achieve that a few of my future studies will, again, not see the light of publication,” Zorita wrote. A UN lead author Richard Tol grew disillusioned with the IPCC and lamented that it had been “captured” and demanded that “the Chair of IPCC and the Chairs of the IPCC Working Groups should be removed.” Tol also publicly called for the “suspension” of IPCC Process in 2010 after being invited by the UN to participate as lead author again in the next IPCC Report. [Note: Zorita and Tol are not included in the count of dissenting scientists in this report.] Other UN scientists were more blunt. A South African UN scientist declared the UN IPCC a “worthless carcass” and noted IPCC chair Pachauri is in “disgrace”. He also explained that the “fraudulent science continues to be exposed.” Alexander, a former member of the UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters harshly critiqued the UN. “‘I was subjected to vilification tactics at the time. I persisted. Now, at long last, my persistence has been rewarded…There is no believable evidence to support [the IPCC] claims. I rest my case!” See: S. African UN Scientist Calls it! ‘Climate change – RIP: Cause of Death: No scientifically believable evidence…Deliberate manipulation to suit political objectives’ [Also see: New Report: UN Scientists Speak Out On Global Warming — As Skeptics!] Geologist Dr. Don Easterbrook, a professor of geology at Western Washington University, summed up the scandal on December 3, 2010: “The corruption within the IPCC revealed by the Climategate scandal, the doctoring of data and the refusal to admit mistakes have so severely tainted the IPCC that it is no longer a credible agency.” Selected Highlights of the Updated 2010 Report featuring over 1,000 international scientists dissenting from man-made climate fears: “We’re not scientifically there yet. Despite what you may have heard in the media, there is nothing like a consensus of scientific opinion that this is a problem. Because there is natural variability in the weather, you cannot statistically know for another 150 years.” — UN IPCC’s Tom Tripp, a member of the UN IPCC since 2004 and listed as one of the lead authors and serves as the Director of Technical Services & Development for U.S. Magnesium. “Any reasonable scientific analysis must conclude the basic theory wrong!!” — NASA Scientist Dr. Leonard Weinstein who worked 35 years at the NASA Langley Research Center and finished his career there as a Senior Research Scientist. Weinstein is presently a Senior Research Fellow at the National Institute of Aerospace. “Please remain calm: The Earth will heal itself — Climate is beyond our power to control…Earth doesn’t care about governments or their legislation. You can’t find much actual global warming in present-day weather observations. Climate change is a matter of geologic time, something that the earth routinely does on its own without asking anyone’s permission or explaining itself.” — Nobel Prize-Winning Stanford University Physicist Dr. Robert B. Laughlin, who won the Nobel Prize for physics in 1998, and was formerly a research scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. “In essence, the jig is up. The whole thing is a fraud. And even the fraudsters that fudged data are admitting to temperature history that they used to say didn’t happen…Perhaps what has doomed the Climategate fraudsters the most was their brazenness in fudging the data” — Dr. Christopher J. Kobus, Associate Professor of Mechanical Engineering at Oakland University, specializes in alternative energy, thermal transport phenomena, two-phase flow and fluid and thermal energy systems. “The energy mankind generates is so small compared to that overall energy budget that it simply cannot affect the climate…The planet’s climate is doing its own thing, but we cannot pinpoint significant trends in changes to it because it dates back millions of years while the study of it began only recently. We are children of the Sun; we simply lack data to draw the proper conclusions.” — Russian Scientist Dr. Anatoly Levitin, the head of geomagnetic variations laboratory at the Institute of Terrestrial Magnetism, Ionosphere and Radiowave Propagation of the Russian Academy of Sciences. “Hundreds of billion dollars have been wasted with the attempt of imposing a Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) theory that is not supported by physical world evidences…AGW has been forcefully imposed by means of a barrage of scare stories and indoctrination that begins in the elementary school textbooks.” — Brazilian Geologist Geraldo Luís Lino, who authored the 2009 book “The Global Warming Fraud: How a Natural Phenomenon Was Converted into a False World Emergency.” “I am an environmentalist,” but “I must disagree with Mr. Gore” — Chemistry Professor Dr. Mary Mumper, the chair of the Chemistry Department at Frostburg State University in Maryland, during her presentation titled “Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide and Global Warming, the Skeptic’s View.” “I am ashamed of what climate science has become today.” The science “community is relying on an inadequate model to blame CO2 and innocent citizens for global warming in order to generate funding and to gain attention. If this is what ‘science’ has become today, I, as a scientist, am ashamed.” — Research Chemist William C. Gilbert published a study in August 2010 in the journal Energy & Environment titled “The thermodynamic relationship between surface temperature and water vapor concentration in the troposphere” and he published a paper in August 2009 titled “Atmospheric Temperature Distribution in a Gravitational Field.” [Update December 9, 2010] “The dysfunctional nature of the climate sciences is nothing short of a scandal. Science is too important for our society to be misused in the way it has been done within the Climate Science Community.” The global warming establishment “has actively suppressed research results presented by researchers that do not comply with the dogma of the IPCC.” — Swedish Climatologist Dr. Hans Jelbring, of the Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics Unit at Stockholm University. [Updated December 9, 2010. Corrects Jelbring’s quote.] “Those who call themselves ‘Green planet advocates’ should be arguing for a CO2- fertilized atmosphere, not a CO2-starved atmosphere…Diversity increases when the planet was warm AND had high CO2 atmospheric content…Al Gore’s personal behavior supports a green planet – his enormous energy use with his 4 homes and his bizjet, does indeed help make the planet greener. Kudos, Al for doing your part to save the planet.” — Renowned engineer and aviation/space pioneer Burt Rutan, who was named “100 most influential people in the world, 2004″ by Time Magazine and Newsweek called him “the man responsible for more innovations in modern aviation than any living engineer.” “Global warming is the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way that the Resurrection is the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing the new faith…My skepticism about AGW arises from the fact that as a physicist who has worked in closely related areas, I know how poor the underlying science is. In effect the scientific method has been abandoned in this field.” — Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid, who worked with Australia’s CSIRO’s (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization) Division of Oceanography and worked in surface gravity waves (ocean waves) research. “We maintain there is no reason whatsoever to worry about man-made climate change, because there is no evidence whatsoever that such a thing is happening.” — Greek Earth scientists Antonis Christofides and Nikos Mamassis of the National Technical University of Athens’ Department of Water Resources and Environmental Engineering. “There are clear cycles during which both temperature and salinity rise and fall. These cycles are related to solar activity…In my opinion and that of our institute, the problems connected to the current stage of warming are being exaggerated. What we are dealing with is not a global warming of the atmosphere or of the oceans.” — Biologist Pavel Makarevich of the Biological Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences. “Because the greenhouse effect is temporary rather than permanent, predictions of significant global warming in the 21st century by IPCC are not supported by the data.” — Hebrew University Professor Dr. Michael Beenstock an honorary fellow with Institute for Economic Affairs who published a study challenging man-made global warming claims titled “Polynomial Cointegration Tests of the Anthropogenic Theory of Global Warming.” “The whole idea of anthropogenic global warming is completely unfounded. There appears to have been money gained by Michael Mann, Al Gore and UN IPCC’s Rajendra Pachauri as a consequence of this deception, so it’s fraud.” — South African astrophysicist Hilton Ratcliffe, a member of the Astronomical Society of Southern Africa (ASSA) and the Astronomical Society of the Pacific and a Fellow of the British Institute of Physics. End Selected Excerpts Read more: http://www.climatedepot.com/2010/12/08/special-report-more-than-1000-international-scientists-dissent-over-manmade-global-warming-claims-challenge-un-ipcc-gore-2/#ixzz3fVSo0pt4
WarrenJuly 10, 2015 3:00 pm
I teach Climate Science and understand it, including the simple words 'inter-glacial.' I'm not on this forum to 'debate' the science --there is no 'debate' on the basics of Relativity, Plate Tectonics, Evolution, or AGW It's only a 'debate' in the minds of amateurs who don't understand the science, and argue that only they can understand what credentialed Scientists at NASA and the Science Academies of Germany, France, the UK, US, Japan, China, and others have found through their research. Recent research by Lewandowsky et al found that Science-denying amateurs have more in common with one-world conspiracy theorists than they do with Galileo. I endorse that finding.
make_wineJuly 10, 2015 2:57 pm
Climate change denial? How can one deny climate change when there are certain truths that can not be denied by anyone, anywhere: we live on a planet which revolves around a star, another planet (the moon) revolves around it; there are other planets which revolve around the same star, with moons that revolved around them. Another truth is our ‘solar system’ is part of what is known as a ‘galaxy’, which has, beyond count, other solar systems, and our galaxy is only one of thousands upon thousands of others within the vast expanse known as the universe. There may indeed be even more than one universe. More truths: We, as a species living on this planet we call earth, breathe air. We inhale a mixture of various gasses to absorb oxygen through our lungs and expel carbon dioxide along with those other gasses we cannot process. Unfortunately, if the air is filled with too many other gasses, we cannot breathe well and suffer severe, if not deadly, consequences. We have come to term this condition as pollution and there is overwhelming evidence of its existence. If the air we breathe becomes saturated beyond our capacity to endure, we, as a species (humans), will perish along with all other air breathing species which cannot cope. But it gets worse. There is another substance on this planet we call water. We humans must have it to keep our bodies hydrated. It, too, is a composite of homogenized elements supporting an ecosystem so complex we have yet to fully comprehend it depths. As the air is becoming toxic to us, so too is the water becoming toxic to those species which will perish once their tolerance is exhausted. And yet, among us humans, there is denial. Denial that we are contributing to the very thing that will end our lives as we know it, if not completely, cause us, along with a majority of other species, to become extinct. I wonder at such denial, when one has merely to travel to those parts of this planet that are already suffering from the toxins in the air and water. Humans wear protective masks because the air is so polluted they can hardly see though it let alone breathe well. In some places the water is so poisonous it cannot support life of any kind, either within, such as fish or plankton, or without, it cannot be consumed without being filtered of the contaminates. More sad truths; life in the water does not have the means to filter out those contaminates. Nor can any other species which breathes air filter out the pollutants which cause them to suffer and die. No, only we, humans, have that luxury. But soon it will be more than just a luxury; it will become a matter of survival. Or not. If you deny these truths then you believe what? Do you believe pollution is not a problem? If so, how? When there is so much profuse evidence? Or do you believe we humans can correct the course we are now on and avert mass execution? Indeed, executing life as we know it, whether it is the lives of other species that we share this planet with, or our own, is the only alternative to allowing toxins to engulf this planet we call earth. I trust the deniers are in the minority and have little say over how to fix the broken concept of superiority we humans have come to take for granted. I trust, as well, that planet earth will survive and will be capable of supporting some lessor form of life that has yet to succumb to human negligence. Only, it is unseemly to consider any life which will outlive us as being less. For after all, is it not a truth that whatever life continues must be more than all the lives which cease to exist?
make_wineJuly 10, 2015 2:31 pm
Climate change denial? How can one deny climate change when there are certain truths that can not be denied by anyone, anywhere: we live on a planet which revolves around a star, another planet (the moon) revolves around it; there are other planets which revolve around the same star, with moons that revolved around them. Another truth is our ‘solar system’ is part of what is known as a ‘galaxy’, which has,beyond count, other solar systems, and our galaxy is only one of thousands upon thousands of others within the vast expanse known as the universe. There may indeed be even more than one universe. More truths: We, as a species living on this planet we call earth, breathe air. We inhale a mixture of various gasses to absorb oxygen through our lungs and expel carbon dioxide along with those other gasses we cannot process. Unfortunately, if the air is filled with too many other gasses, we cannot breathe well and suffer severe, if not deadly, consequences. We have come to term this condition as pollution and there is overwhelming evidence of its existence. If the air we breathe becomes saturated beyond our capacity to endure, we, as a species (humans), will perish along with all other air breathing species which cannot cope. But it gets worse. There is another substance on this planet we call water. We humans must have it to keep our bodies hydrated. It, too, is a composite of homogenized elements supporting an ecosystem so complex we have yet to fully comprehend it depths. As the air is becoming toxic to us, so too is the water becoming toxic to those species which will perish once their tolerance is exhausted. And yet, among us humans, there is denial. Denial that we are contributing to the very thing that will end our lives as we know it, completely, and cause us, along with a majority of other species, to become extinct. I wonder at such denial, when one has merely to travel to those parts of this planet that are already suffering from the toxins in the air and water. Humans wear protective masks because the air is so polluted they can hardly see though it let alone breathe well. In some places the water is so poisonous it cannot support life of any kind, either within, such as fish or plankton, or without, it cannot be consumed without being filtered of the contaminates. More sad truths; life in the water does not have the means to filter out those contaminates. Nor can any other species which breathes air filter out the pollutants which cause them to suffer and die. No, only we, humans, have that luxury. But soon it will be more than just a luxury; it will become a matter of survival. Or not. If you deny these truths then you believe what? Do you believe pollution is not a problem? If so, how? When there is so much profuse evidence? Or do you believe we humans can correct the course we are now on and avert mass execution? Indeed, executing life as we know it, whether it is the lives of other species that we share this planet with, or our own, is the only alternative to allowing toxins to engulf this planet we call earth. I trust the deniers are in the minority and have little say over how to fix the broken concept of superiority we humans have come to take for granted. I trust, as well, that planet earth will survive and will be capable of supporting some lessor form of life that has yet to succumb to human negligence. Only, it is unseemly to consider any life which will outlive us as being less. For after all, is it not a truth that whatever life continues must be more than all the lives which cease to exist?
MichaelJuly 10, 2015 12:33 pm
Climate change denial? How can one deny climate change when there are certain truths that can not be denied by anyone, anywhere: we live on a planet which revolves around a star, another planet (the moon) revolves around it; there are other planets which revolve around the same star, with moons that revolved around them. Another truth is our ‘solar system’ is part of what is known as a ‘galaxy’, which has, beyond count, other solar systems, and our galaxy is only one of thousands upon thousands of others within the vast expanse known as the universe. There may indeed be even more than one universe. More truths: We, as a species living on this planet we call earth, breathe air. We inhale a mixture of various gasses to absorb oxygen through our lungs and expel carbon dioxide along with those other gasses we cannot process. Unfortunately, if the air is filled with too many other gasses, we cannot breathe well and suffer severe, if not deadly, consequences. We have come to term this condition as pollution and there is overwhelming evidence of its existence. If the air we breathe becomes saturated beyond our capacity to endure, we, as a species (humans), will perish along with all other air breathing species which cannot cope. But it gets worse. There is another substance on this planet we call water. We humans must have it to keep our bodies hydrated. It, too, is a composite of homogenized elements supporting an ecosystem so complex we have yet to fully comprehend it depths. As the air is becoming toxic to us, so too is the water becoming toxic to those species which will perish once their tolerance is exhausted. And yet, among us humans, there is denial. Denial that we are contributing to the very thing that will end our lives as we know it, completely, and cause us, along with a majority of other species, to become extinct. I wonder at such denial, when one has merely to travel to those parts of this planet that are already suffering from the toxins in the air and water. Humans wear protective masks because the air is so polluted they can hardly see though it let alone breathe well. In some places the water is so poisonous it cannot support life of any kind, either within, such as fish or plankton, or without, it cannot be consumed without being filtered of the contaminates. More sad truths; life in the water does not have the means to filter out those contaminates. Nor can any other species which breathes air filter out the pollutants which cause them to suffer and die. No, only we, humans, have that luxury. But soon it will be more than just a luxury; it will become a matter of survival. Or not. If you deny these truths then you believe what? Do you believe pollution is not a problem? If so, how? When there is so much profuse evidence? Or do you believe we humans can correct the course we are now on and avert mass execution? Indeed, executing life as we know it, whether it is the lives of other species that we share this planet with, or our own, is the only alternative to allowing toxins to engulf this planet we call earth. I trust the deniers are in the minority and have little say over how to fix the broken concept of superiority we humans have come to take for granted. I trust, as well, that planet earth will survive and will be capable of supporting some lessor form of life that has yet to succumb to human negligence. Only, it is unseemly to consider any life which will outlive us as being less. For after all, is it not a truth that whatever life continues must be more than all the lives which cease to exist? With all of these truths, it is unfathomable to deny the climate of this planet is changing precisely because of human interference. Granted there are other factors beyond human involvement. Deny God. Deny the potential of life elsewhere in the universe. Deny anything which has no truth of evidence. But denying what is seen, touched, tasted, smelled, and heard as this planet cries in despair, is to deny life.
Bob BinghamJuly 10, 2015 9:47 am
I agree we are not doing nearly as much as we could, in fact we are not even trying. We could replace all government owned cars with electric ones at almost no cost and this would set a strong example for other fleet owners. We should have a rail network and electrify it instead of talking about shutting it. We have passed peak oil and have no other transport fuel apart from oil. This short term planning at its worst. The policy of 'fast follower' for the worst polluters on the planet Australia and Canada is not a good place for New Zealand.
BillJuly 10, 2015 9:01 am
The USA has started this around world they want government to rule everything. soon all countries will be controlled by their government like Mr. Obama has done here in the U.S.A.. With all the new regulations they are putting on the people and companies they will soon be working for their government and no one will have their own private company. Sad that we have come to this and its even more sad we the people are sitting by and letting it happen. Freedom is no more any were around the world.
Devon ShireJuly 10, 2015 7:08 am
I've never read the mentioned study, but I have read several of the thousands of scientific papers refuting AGW. They can be found by Googling "popular technology peer reviewed." You know, in case you're interested in hearing the other side of this debate.
ExcellentNewsJuly 10, 2015 2:43 am
Like we need a study to tell us that climate change deniers are paid shills of the fossil fuels industry or their "guns and bible" nut followers. It's however nice to see a technical verification of what we intuitively know....
chrismcphailJuly 9, 2015 11:41 pm
Cold is not the opposite of heat - it is the absence of heat. Just like darkness is the absence of light. Record cold temperatures demonstrate that the Earth's temperatures are not rising at all. This IS science! And it is backed up by satellite data. This past winter people actually stood outside in record cold temperatures protesting against "global warming." These same people could easily be made to believe that the sky is falling. And so-called scientists would rally and promote this idea to gain funding and support.
ekofreekJuly 9, 2015 9:43 pm
Deniers aren't going to change their minds no matter what the evidence looks like, but they do influence gullible and ignorant youth who then echo the same liberal-bashing nonsense.. That's why they have to be confronted on line, so that the next generation has a choice whether to accept science or ideology.
FredJuly 9, 2015 7:42 pm
So this is news. Everyone knew climate deniers know little of climate science and are governed by politics.
HeartcomJuly 9, 2015 7:38 pm
Is this a conspiracy theory too? Nobel Prize-Winning Scientist Says Obama Is ‘Dead Wrong’ On Global Warming http://freedomforce.com/4852/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-says-obama-is-dead-wrong-on-global-warming/
fred smithJuly 9, 2015 7:38 pm
The Washington Post..... The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable. * * * * * * * * **************** I must apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post – 93 years ago. Check Snopes, this is a real news article. Explain how all of this didn’t lead to the destruction of the world back then. Here we are 93 years later, same ole, same ole doom and gloom.
Ted StanwoodJuly 9, 2015 7:33 pm
Changes in climate are most certainly not a hoax. The idea that it might be mostly man caused very likely is, we are well aware that there are those who do see massive profits in that idea taking hold. The other major flaw is that some actually believe that something as "simple" as world wide carbon reduction will be a solution. Perhaps a tiny part of it but certainly NOT "the" solution. Even human beings exhaling are part of that concern. Now science is certain that just ONE fairly large volcano popping off and all bets are out the window, starvation and related problems come not from global "warming" but the fact that it is SO cold crops cannot be grown without influx of massive amounts of energy. Can THAT even happen? Yes, it can, and it has, as recently as within the last couple of centuries. So what to do, really? Build on alternatives, already happening, and adjust to the changing conditions. Those conditions WILL change, and there is not one thing mankind can do about it.
JoeJuly 9, 2015 7:20 pm
Conspiracy theory-skeptical scientists are in the pockets of Big Oil.
JakeJuly 9, 2015 6:54 pm
The fact that this article is published in the Journal of Social And Political Psychology tells me GW is about political science, not real science. It always has been. Its about attacking corporation and the oil industry and wealth redistribution. Global warming, the scam of the new century.
KeithJuly 9, 2015 6:53 pm
When you have distrusted organizations like the UN and people like Obama and other dictators around the world pressing climate change for money, that's where your skepticism comes in. When you have people like Al Gore and billionaire Tom Styer flying globally in their carbon producing jets all the while telling the peasants we can't drive SUV'S again skepticism. When the government is trying like hell to get this new revenue stream going by taxing the living hell out of the common man, that creates skepticism. If climate change is real, the solution should not create billionaires. Anyone with half a brain with these kinds of entities involved would be a damn fool not to be skeptical. So would the real idiots please stand up.
SFCGatorJuly 9, 2015 6:40 pm
The pro-AGWCC censors are at work. This post meets all the guideline criteria yet it was deleted, which is proof that my polite dissent is correct and on the mark. Here it is again to see if RTCC can stand honest, open and polite opposition or will they stifle any opinion that doesn't support AGWCC. - Here's the thing, there are too many errors, mistakes and faulty predictions based on computer models to make AGWCC anything more than highly questionable theory. Then there is the constant tweaking and readjusting of historical data in order to justify their claims. There is also too much political involvement for many people to think there is not an ulterior motive behind the subject. - Probably one of the most important thing for me personally, is that any area of scientific research should be open to scrutiny and criticism. That is one of the basic fundaments of the scientific method. Yet time and again those scientists (and there are many papered and well respected people in this regard) who question AGWCC are immediately attacked by their peers and the media. This is not what should be happening in the realm of climate science. Those opposed to the theory of AGWCC should be represented at every world class session discussing the issue. Yet, few or none are ever invited to such. That is not open scientific discourse, it is totalitarianism.
BillJuly 9, 2015 6:35 pm
Just like scientists do not understand GMO's, and Monsanto has paid scientist on hand to discredit any who dare speak against them, the same with the drug/vaccine industry and the same with the Global Warming "all humans are bad and must suffer" industry. No sorry, science has been corrupted and other then very provable facts like gravity and 2+2, much of it is a scam up to bids for the highest bidder.
RhastafarianJuly 9, 2015 6:31 pm
Man made climate change is the biggest hoax in the world. There are palm trees under the Arctic ice and under the ice in Greenland. Found cities under the ocean's surface... Changes upon the earth have been happening forever... that's a FACT.
Bob YadJuly 9, 2015 6:29 pm
All these educated scientists with all there theories. Then how come none of these Educated Men predicted the past two severe Winters! Not one of the So-Called Experts will give a short term forecast. They just want to Forsee Doom and Gloom on a major scale if we don't stop all CO2 based energy Now!
howard pattersJuly 9, 2015 6:12 pm
This is silly. The alarmism of climate studies is correlated with funding available for research, and the notion that scientists are afraid of publishing alarmist findings for fear of reprisal is ludicrous. What consequences are these researchers trying to avoid? More funding? Ha!
SeanJuly 9, 2015 6:05 pm
Climate change is a hoax. I know more than all those Geophysicists and doctorate professors at Harvard and Yale. Trust me, I have a degree in balloon animals from clown college. The Heartland Institute is the best resource. They told us smoking wasn't bad for us in the 1990s while collecting money from tobacco lobbyists, now they are disputing climate change and I believe them.
Jon CarpenterJuly 9, 2015 5:53 pm
i WANT TO KNOW WHY THESE CLIMATE SCIENTIST ARE NOT WORKING ON ELIMINATING COAL POWER PLANTS BY USING NON CARBON PRODUCING ATOMIC POWER!!!
RHO1953July 9, 2015 5:39 pm
Ass backwards. The reverse is true. The AGW crowd uses harassment and intimidation to suppress the natural and overwhelming rejection of the public of their scheme.
kermit dupreJuly 9, 2015 5:31 pm
Let's recognize our immediate reality. We are but a four dimensional existence in ten. God is your Creator and the microcosms and the macrocosm are finite making this existence part of a greater existence. You Man have no control, not even in the microcosms, where the uncertainty principle rules.
RobertJuly 9, 2015 5:26 pm
Why do the climate change believers not find it odd that the predictions of the those scientist who have been making dire predictions for the last twenty or so years never come to fruition, that they seem to need to fudge the data to get it to meet their pre-conceived conclusions, and the fact that they have been caught more than making up facts as they go along.
John DoeJuly 9, 2015 5:19 pm
In an article entitled: "CIA Popularized "Conspiracy Theory" Term to Silence Dissent" on the RTCC site has the following statistic on the phrase "Conspiracy Theory": This cultural phenomenon goes back to 1967. At that time, in response to questions about the Warren Commission Report (which President Ford helped create), the CIA issued a memorandum calling for mainstream media sources to begin countering “conspiracy theorists.”[13] In the 45 years before the CIA memo came out, the phrase “conspiracy theory” appeared in the Washington Post and New York Times only 50 times, or about once per year. In the 45 years after the CIA memo, the phrase appeared 2,630 times, or about once per week.
Richard GibbardJuly 9, 2015 5:16 pm
The problem is that the climate-change alarmists' views dovetail too neatly with the desires of globalist government types to be trustworthy.
HighSnidesJuly 9, 2015 4:59 pm
Okay, this has to be a joke, right? This so-called scientist is arguing that a small group of "deniers" are bullying editors, authors, universities or journals to suppress inconvenient work,"? Isn't it the Warmists who are doing the bullying by calling names, threatening to pull grant money and accusing them of selling out to oil companies? This is a total joke. What is dangerous is when scientists act like politicians and attempt to silence those with a different point of view. Its dangerous when the same scientists start applying multiple fudge factors to their data when they think it does not fit their model. Its a shame we've come to this but I am hopeful that it is just temporary and that political correctness will be removed from the field of science and medicine so we can begin to advance our understanding of our environment and ourselves again.
Independence_R_USJuly 9, 2015 4:41 pm
Again a fancy way of moving focus away from facts. There is no settled science to prove man's involvement in climate change is drastic. Yet there is a ton of political motive. As for folks not understanding climate change, that's more Bovine Excrement. All one has to do is ask the folks in the business of growing crops. They understand climate change well. Yet that's of little import to those that are trying to drive the narrative to something that is in fact false. It has been proven that carbon credits would be costly to implement & do almost nothing to curb pollution. So in typical alarmist form, these folks have to get as much power & money as possible before folks catch on. Else they wont be able to further their false narrative & loose the chance to take away more freedoms. Look at what liberals are pushing to ward off climate change: Electric cars which haven't proven to be effective in curbing pollution, Curtailing the consumption of large soft drinks. Making sure that one doesn't buy incandescent light bulbs because they create pollution, while the replacement causes more pollution. How about not taking over a 10 minute shower. Let's not forget the terrible polluters, back yard BBQ grills & wood stoves. OH and the outlawing of coal fired power plants without any viable alternatives to replace the energy. Driving up the cost of energy, food coast, etc. All of these so called helps only hinder & do little more than to line the pockets of liberal politicians & their ilk. As for curtailment of pollution...well that was never their intent.
netprophetJuly 9, 2015 4:25 pm
The picture is of steam, not "carbon emissions". What propaganda.
SFCGatorJuly 9, 2015 4:16 pm
Here's the thing, there are too many errors, mistakes and faulty predictions based on computer models to make AGWCC anything more than highly questionable theory. Then there is the constant tweaking and readjusting of historical data in order to justify their claims. There is also too much political involvement for many people to think there is not an ulterior motive behind the subject. - Probably one of the most important thing for me personally, is that any area of scientific research should be open to scrutiny and criticism. That is one of the basic fundaments of the scientific method. Yet time and again those scientists (and there are many papered and well respected people in this regard) who question AGWCC are immediately attacked by their peers and the media. This is not what should be happening in the realm of climate science. Those opposed to the theory of AGWCC should be represented at every world class session discussing the issue. Yet, few or none are ever invited to such. That is not open scientific discourse, it is totalitarianism.
Richard VeselJuly 9, 2015 4:11 pm
This study supports what we, who study climate disruption, already knew. Denialism here comes from people who don't understand the basics of science, or for whom science is in conflict with elements of their belief system, such as religion, political persuasion, unenlightened self-interests, etc. Facts and consistent verifiable observations are not met with curiosity, or a desire to understand. They are met with resistance and denial. Science IS NOT a belief system - it is a generally robust process of discovery of demonstrable facts about the physical characteristics of our universe and all the observable parts thereof. Every good scientist is a skeptic, but as a consequence of that skepticism, they research and experiment further, rather than frivolously tossing away truths which they find uncomfortable or at odds with what they thought they understood. The Age of Information has a flip side - the Age of Disinformation, and the mass publication and repetitive unscientific drivel found in the denialist blogosphere is nearly impossible to meet head on, so it must be worked around, much in the same way that the anti-vaccination nonsense has to be combatted.
Jim Herbst@JWRHerbstJuly 9, 2015 3:53 pm
I'm a proud 'human caused' climate change denier.
richard schlinderJuly 9, 2015 3:23 pm
4 billion years ago or so the earth was coming together with bits and pieces and gases.As it contracted it rose in heat to over 50,000 degrees. Over the ions the earth slowly cooled and then went nuts with over heating to glazers rolling across the lands but still it continued to cool.Volcanos spewing and meteor hits would cause more disruptions in "climate change".Life sprouted and died off time and again and still the trajectory was to lower temperatures.Did I mention the floods? This all happened before man stood upright and so it continues today.Man has destroyed the landbase,changing rivers,cutting trillions of trees and basicly over using the resources,alive and mineral.80 % of the fishes in the seas are gone since man first dropped a net in the waters.Freshwater fish are contaminated thanks to man.Man has tried to alter the climate and failed but was successful at destroying his landbase.It will come that man will kill each other and starve to death but Climate change?? Mother Nature is in charge of that.
RandyJuly 9, 2015 3:14 pm
The public is not being informed about the fraud of the climate change hoaxers. Every day a new article is published making wild and wholly unprovable claims of impending doom and devastation coming our way in 20, 50, 100, 1000 years if we don't immediately start a massive wealth redistribution to 3rd world countries run by dictators. This is laughable. The only conspiracy about climate is being perpetrated by the UN and their money grubbing communists who run it! Shut up already!
FurriJuly 9, 2015 3:13 pm
So now if you disagree or look at motivations it's a conspiratorial thinking. It doesn't matter that emails over the past 5 years showed data manipulation which continue today. The UN leadership have also made specific statements in the news it's not about global warming but more so about wealth distribution. Last but not least the same scientist and schools are being paid by the same people who would profit from exchanges and taxes. The creation of a corruption cesspool call Climate Change is not a conspiracy but reality. Hence why the same scientist had to change the name from Global Warming to Climate Change.
Richard EklundJuly 9, 2015 3:09 pm
Gosh, maybe if you jigger a few facts it will work this time!
Michael OrrJuly 9, 2015 2:59 pm
I see. A comment has to agree with your agenda.
Michael kJuly 9, 2015 2:58 pm
How about science & scientists they say global warming isn't happening? Should they be listened to as well?
therainJuly 9, 2015 2:52 pm
There is ZERO evidence of "global warming". The "scientists" had to make up data about the temperatures, and about polar bear population. That should tell you enough. They make up data to get grants.
LewisJuly 9, 2015 2:48 pm
If I have a theory, the burden of proof is on me, not my distractors. I have to show conclusive evidence of my claim, beyond rebuttal. If I say elves bake cookies in hollow stumps, I'd better have 100% proof.
escapedfromnyJuly 9, 2015 2:48 pm
When those who claim to believe in global warming stop flying 30,000 experts to tropical resorts to discuss the matter, I will start to think they are serious.
Michael OrrJuly 9, 2015 2:48 pm
There has always been climate change. It is controlled by the sun.
rusty57July 9, 2015 2:44 pm
Illegals and the crimes they commit are a far greater threat then climate change beliefs.
AaA1960July 9, 2015 2:37 pm
At one given time or another Liberals have blamed Global Cooling/Warming/Climate Change for anyone of the following. Rising sea levels. Falling sea levels. Flooding. Droughts. Rising temperatures. Cooling temperatures. Decreased sea ice. Increased sea ice. More hurricanes. Fewer hurricanes. Increase in Polar Ice. Decline of Polar Ice. Increase in severe Thunder storms. Decrease in severe Thunder storms. Crashing computer hard drives. Erectile dysfunction One lasting for more than 4 hours... Lerner's E-mails mysteriously disappearing. Lerner's E-mails mysteriously reappearing Electronic voting machines inexplicitly selecting Democrat when Republican is chosen. And if you don't religiously and unequivocally believe this, then... You are considered _______________. (Insert any one of many derogatory names the oh, so tolerant Left has for anyone who dares to have a different opinion than them). Oh, and if you even slightly question the BHO then you’re also a racist Intolerance will no longer be tolerated... World debt has now exceeded $6 trillion dollars as world governments prop up their failed economies fixing nothing as the US has been doing having the Fed buy securities to the tune of $85 Billon a month over the past 7 years. World governments need a new cash flow source to continue their lavish spending and "the people" are that source. Besides, even if one does believe in global warming, who in their right mind think that giving trillions of dollars to the likes of Al Gore and The Obama is really going to fix anything...
PaulJuly 9, 2015 2:36 pm
It's an important issue.
knarfisfraudJuly 9, 2015 2:16 pm
1. At what point in earth's history did the climate not change? 2. How warm is it supposed to be?
James TannerJuly 9, 2015 2:16 pm
Global warming is a hoax. Utube Global Warming Swindle.
moresnare1970July 9, 2015 2:04 pm
Blah, blah, blah... 'global warming', now conveniently called 'climate change',(who can deny that the climate changes?!? how clever!) is b.s. This is a money and power grab by the supposed 'elite', nothing more.
SteveJuly 9, 2015 2:01 pm
Liberals just can't stand the fact there are people who do not agree with them. They absolutely cannot accept disagreement. Since they have not and cannot prove with facts, that any climate change can be attributed to humans, they think they can brow beat us until we submit to their liberal way of thinking. I'm here to tell you that will never happen with me.
Starr PanativeJuly 9, 2015 1:51 pm
Well, we all know how loud mouthed the Republicans/conservatives are. It's no surprise. What is scary is what we are going to do with these people if there is a sudden, drastic change? I think its fair to say, most educated people are trying to keep abreast of changes and are making plans to protect their families and assets.
Three_to_FiveJuly 9, 2015 1:48 pm
Even if you accept the two premises that global warming is both human-caused and dangerous, that's not enough for these people. The harsh reality is that whatever the cause of global warming, there is simply no feasible or realistic way to stop it. Developed countries can cut back on emissions, sure, but developing nations and rogue states will NEVER agree to harsh environmental sanctions and cutbacks. So while Denmark is cutting carbon, China will be increasing their output exponentially, rendering any other changes useless. So why can't the scientific community accept that inevitable outcome? Any moron can see that all nations of the world are never going to agree to environmental measures, so why hasn't the focus shifted on preparing for the "inevitable" climate changes rather than trying to stop something that we know we can't stop?
kmqf1031July 9, 2015 1:39 pm
And let's not forget this little nugget that kind of upsets the entire apple cart! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html
iamcrmJuly 9, 2015 1:32 pm
So the "evidence" they have come up with is a bunch of PhD students, obviously indoctrinated, who found evidence of "anonymized" comments that exhibited conspiratorial thinking? Oh...........wow. Just wow. That's evidence of AGW?
Hedley LamarJuly 9, 2015 1:28 pm
When does the climate change fraud/money laundering paper get published?
MrAndiconda MrAndicondaJuly 9, 2015 1:23 pm
The world has left the deniers behind long ago, they only exist on blogs now. a great documentary that came out "merchants of doubt" explains it for the masses
G WhiteJuly 9, 2015 1:16 pm
So maybe he should do this same analysis on how carbs and trans-fats become so popular at the expense of saturated fats. Then he can also explain how that government supported fad is directly correlated to the rise in cancer, obesity, Type 2 diabetes, heart disease, etc (google it). The saturated fat deniers were also labelled conspiracy theory wackos, yet they were correct, which is now implicitly acknowledged by the government and the field in general: trans-fats are now banned, saturated fats are now recommended at much higher amounts than before, and carbs are now acknowledged as more of a bad guy than saturated fats....also, it is finally acknowledged by the government that dietary cholesterol has no relationship to levels of blood cholesterol, something that has been widely shown in the literature for decades. The data on climate is a similar story. The data is massaged after the fact and there is considerable inconsistency in the data. It is not a slam dunk by any means. There are very well respected and reasonable scientists who question the conclusions of the global warming folks. Unfortunately there are silly people on both sides of the discussion. Those silly people do not follow data and do not carefully look at information, thus confusing the subject considerably. Any careful and objective scientist can only say that it is not yet certain.
balashiJuly 9, 2015 1:10 pm
These kinds of studies are nothing but straw man arguments, where they put forth the false assumption that these people deny climate change itself is happening. That's not what they are "denying" .. rather, that man has a significant impact on it happening or can have a significant impact in "reversing" it.
balashiJuly 9, 2015 1:05 pm
Apparently the author of this study doesn't have a Yahoo account - there is nothing on Yahoo BUT stories of doom and despair from supposed man-made climate change.
marxwjJuly 9, 2015 1:03 pm
Good luck in your fight against the trolls.
Raymond Michael BorlandJuly 9, 2015 12:22 pm
What kind of a study is this? I want hard scientific data that proves 1) humans are releasing enough CO2 to warm the atmosphere, 2) the amount of global atmospheric warming humans are causing versus all natural sources for atmospheric CO2 like decaying plant matter , 3) proof that data adjustments by GISS and East Anglia were warranted and unbiased rather than done to make warming look larger than it is, 4) proof that one climate computer model has accurately predicted past, present and future climate , 5)proof that an 18.5 year pause in any additional atmospheric warming is not irrefutable evidence that disproves the AGW hypotheisis since CO2 has still been rising and is still over 400 ppm, 6) scientific proof that any carbon tax or Cap and Trade tax will significantly effect climate in 2100. Computer climate models are not reality. They are best attempts to model a very complex thing like climate than has many factors controlling it. Climate also is governed by Nonlinear Equations and minor changes in any input parameter will have enormous effects on the output. Read Gleick's book entitled "Chaos" if you don't realize weather and climate are governed by Chaos Mathematics/Nonlinear Equations. There have been too many scandals, too many datasets adjusted (massaged/manipulated), basline periods redefined after the data was examined for no apparent reason but to make global warming look larger than it really is, and statements by the UN officials like Pachauri and Christiana Figueres that state the main objective of the UN climate legislation is to destroy capitalism and make a new world order based on global Marxism and redistribution of wealth. The UN people can't be much clearer than that.
LindaJuly 9, 2015 12:21 pm
High officials have already admitted that dealing with climate change will end capitalism and consumerism. De-growth is one of the main goals at this point to cut emissions. Let's not bother denying that one either. Just look up John Holdren, Obama's science czar. We the people have representatives who are elected to do the will of the people. Making the US a 3rd world country is not really something the citizens of the US feel is appropriate or something that should be permitted to happen. Admit what the goal is here. Try honesty. Truth is not a "conspiracy theory".
LindaJuly 9, 2015 12:16 pm
Until these people make as much of a fuss about the activists who lie and exaggerate using pure fear tactics as they do the "deniers", this will never change. Those who have made outlandish predictions that not only failed to occur but were never even recordable make a laughing stock out of all climate science predictions and make people feel like fools and themselves look like the fools they are. If facts are what they want, then they need to admonish false statements of ANY kind whether they support the climate change cause or not. False statements from both sides are equally damaging to the public relations debate on climate science. No honest scientist can deny there is much to be learned about the earth's climate. Try a realistic approach rather than stupid foolish shaming. We are not children but perhaps the children are the audience you wish to terrify..
shindigJuly 9, 2015 10:03 am
Well actually Robin if you read the Climate Action Tracker's assessment properly, they also gave China an "inadequate" rating because the intensity target is very weak, and indeed China is likely to exceed most of its pledge well before it says it will. The Climate Action Tracker was more critical than most on China - you might want to look at the WRI one. You might also want to take a look at the methodology under which the CAT makes its effort sharing assessments. See press release ("conflicted") http://climateactiontracker.org/news/213/Chinas-climate-targets-for-Paris-are-conflicted.html Methodology: http://climateactiontracker.org/methodology/85/Comparability-of-effort.html
Calamity_JeanJuly 9, 2015 7:35 am
This is a discussion of worldwide electrical generation, and global energy use is increasing, so I would expect that negawatts are right near the bottom of the list.
LasertopJuly 9, 2015 2:25 am
Remember the good old days when the Environmental wacko's would complain about real pollutants like Mercury, Sulfur, Carbon Monoxide and such. Now it's all about the CO2 and how if it going from 370 ppm to 400 ppm is going to end the planet and all it's life. But at the end of the day it is really about how much money they can squeeze out of people and governments, and that's all based on how much they can scare you.
Charles TeryJuly 9, 2015 1:00 am
If I can win debates against then it is far from proven Science. Now if you really had faith in your position then you should call for debate. I take it you don't understand what INTER-GLACIAL is.
jrb14July 9, 2015 12:13 am
A pollutant is a substance introduced into the environment that has undesired effects. Carbon dioxide is, by definition, a pollutant. It is also poisonous at high concentrations, and an asphyxiant. Go ahead, take a few deep breaths of pure CO2 and see how it feels. CO2 "hysteria" is neither ridiculous nor even hysteria. We know now, as we have for decades, that CO2 affects the Earth's climate via the greenhouse effect. This is basic stuff -- not something that is seriously disputed by anyone who "knows their science."
jrb14July 9, 2015 12:07 am
Logic, however, does not dictate that man is the ONLY cause of climate change. It does not follow, then, that just because climate changed in the past without the aid of man, today's climate change must not be caused by man.
jrb14July 9, 2015 12:04 am
That's absolute nonsense. That's literally the opposite of how science works. Climate scientists are not paid to promote anthropogenic climate change; they're paid to study climate systems. If what you're saying were true, then every time there was a paradigmatic shift in a scientific field, every scientist in that field would lose their job. That's absurd.
jrb14July 8, 2015 11:56 pm
There's this new thing you might have heard of called the Greenland ice sheet. The Arctic might get most of your attention, but actual researchers are more concerned with the effects of Greenland and the Antarctic on sea level.
the professor of common senseJuly 8, 2015 11:49 pm
How about letting the American people vote on what our reductions will be rather than being ordered by our government.
mbee1July 8, 2015 11:43 pm
It sure is a slap in the face. Per NOAA all those pacific islands are going to be underwater at the current rapid rise trend of 3 inches (Johnston Atoll) in 100 years which will make them underwater in the year 4000 AD assuming they are 33 inches above the ocean today.
georgewu5July 8, 2015 11:39 pm
I hope the funding would help my container housing of my Great Wall Village over the High Speed Railway that builds the One Belt One Road system along with the AIIB ? George Wu, AIA. NCARB, ARTIST,PLANNER 2015-7-8
SyedJuly 8, 2015 11:31 pm
CO2 scrubber is another option. Dont worry too much about CO2 emissions. CO2 can be compressed and liquefied. just build the power plant, people are suffering.
georgewu5July 8, 2015 11:19 pm
Will it be dollar? Euro? RMB?
chrismcphailJuly 8, 2015 8:46 pm
“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.” – Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony, climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.” - Christine Stewart, fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment Antarctica continues to defy the global warming script, with a report from Meteo France, that June last year was the coldest Antarctic June ever recorded, at the French Antarctic Dumont d’Urville Station. According to the press release, during June last year, the average temperature was -22.4c (-8.3F), 6.6c (11.9F) lower than normal. Last year was the coldest June ever recorded at the station, and almost the coldest monthly average ever – only September 1953 was colder, with a recorded average temperature of -23.5c (-10.3F). June last year also broke the June daily minimum temperature record, with a new record low of -34.9c (-30.8F).
geoff ChambersJuly 8, 2015 8:36 pm
I was one of the five blog commenters defamed in Lewandowsky's original “Recursive Fury” paper. Several of us wrote letters of complaint to the journal concerned, letters that the Journal's editor-in-chief described as “cogent and well-argued”. Though some of us described the paper as defamatory, none of us mentioned legal action. Yet Lewandowsky and a number of press articles described the retraction of the paper as “caving in to threats”. His new article removes our names, and rewords the quotes used to accuse us of conspiratorial thinking - a concept which Lewandowsky defines in terms suggesting paranoia and mental debility. He nonetheless links to the previous paper in the new one, thus effectively repeating the defamation. I've been in contact with others who were defamed. (Besides those named in the paper there were dozens more mentioned in the supplementary material, including Professor Richard Betts of the Meteorological Office). Nobody to my knowledge has any intention of suing Professor Lewandowsky. All talk of threats, harrassment, and bullying are without foundation. The only threat involves revealing the nature of Professor Lewandowsky"s work. I have criticised it more fully at https://geoffchambers.wordpress.com/category/stephan-lewandowsky/
BarryWoodsJuly 8, 2015 5:47 pm
Prof Henry Markram (co founder of Frontiers) explains why he retracted Recursive Fury) As, the new paper, identifies nobody, it seems that the complainants were utterly vindicated.. "The studied subjects were explicitly identified in the paper without their consent. It is well acknowledged and accepted that in order to protect a subject’s rights and avoid a potentially defamatory outcome, one must obtain the subject’s consent if they can be identified in a scientific paper. The mistake was detected after publication, and the authors and Frontiers worked hard together for several months to try to find a solution. In the end, those efforts were not successful. The identity of the subjects could not be protected and the paper had to be retracted. Frontiers then worked closely with the authors on a mutually agreed and measured retraction statement to avoid the retraction itself being misused. From the storm this has created, it would seem we did not succeed. For Frontiers, publishing the identities of human subjects without consent cannot be justified in a scientific paper. Some have argued that the subjects and their statements were in the public domain and hence it was acceptable to identify them in a scientific paper, but accepting this will set a dangerous precedent. With so much information of each of us in the public domain, think of a situation where scientists use, for example, machine learning to cluster your public statements and attribute to you personality characteristics, and then name you on the cluster and publish it as a scientific fact in a reputable journal. While the subjects and their statements were public, they did not give their consent to a public psychological diagnosis in a scientific study. Science cannot be abused to specifically label and point out individuals in the public domain." - Markram http://www.frontiersin.org/blog/Rights_of_Human_Subjects_in_Scientific_Papers/830
Charles TeryJuly 8, 2015 5:47 pm
Wheat was domesticated when the Earth's Global Mean Temperature was 8 degrees C warmer than today. Matter of a fact all domesticated plants and animals where domesticated except one. This all happened before the 5 degree cooling and the resulting birth of Civilization.
Charles TeryJuly 8, 2015 5:45 pm
Do you even know what the current Global Mean Temperature is? You do know that during the current Inter-Glacial we had temps 8 and 3 degrees C warmer than current mean temp. Tell me how a POINT 6 over 138 years is an issue?
Charles TeryJuly 8, 2015 5:43 pm
Warren what part of the Second Coolest time of the Current Inter-Glacial do you have trouble understanding. Plus you are not going to waste my time to read some propaganda from the government. NASA and NOAA published a paper in June of 2012. They claimed that the Arctic Ice Reach was at it's lowest ever. They even had Satellite pictures and overlays. The problem with that paper is that the Northern Ports of Alaska where ice locked until mid August. Science requires debate and you just seem not to be knowledgeable about debate or Science.
BarryWoodsJuly 8, 2015 5:37 pm
the original Fury paper, named people and labeled them with psychological traits, based on comments collected by 2 researchers, that pubicly attacked the very same people named in the paper.. and described themselves as oponents of people they name in the paper. this seemed very unethical and a conflict of interest. It was retracted.. the new paper, does NOT name people, nor identify any known individual with pathological psychological traits.. which demonstrates that the ethics complaints were utterly vindicated. But, I guess Prof Lewandowsky will keep spinning. 99.7% of those surveyed in his - Nasa faked the moon landing therefore climate science is a hoax - rejected the title of the paper, not believing n moon landings were a hoax, not climate science. only 3 anonymous people, surveyed on blogs that hate sceptics, gave that answer. Yet he turned it into the headline (que sceptics are conspiracy theorists,and moon shots, in the worlds media) of those 3 he redacted age (he allowed 10-17 year olds to respond) He also refuses point blank to release the data for that paper. such is the state of psychology.
dragon1July 8, 2015 3:35 pm
what a stupid, irrelevant, illogical and uneducated comment. I am sure if you posted your face there may be a few things people can suggest for you and what has this got anything to do with the subject. Further, what have YOU or the party you support done for people in Karachi?
georgeJuly 8, 2015 3:14 pm
This will one big ripoff for the public and soon as pols get this in place. No amount of money in my opinion will change anything. Is this about changing the weather, which man cannot do, or is it money to pass around to 3 world dicktators. We all pollute and that can be improved. NO MONEY
PygmalionJuly 8, 2015 3:14 pm
Good.
WarrenJuly 8, 2015 2:22 pm
Sorry, AGW (and the fastest rate of rise) is the conclusion of ALL Science, not guesswork as you state. ALL the worlds institutions of Science conclude AGW, NO exceptions. Read any of the 25,000 peer-reviewed scientific research papers, or the summary of those papers by the IPCC in its 5th Assessment, or the report by the National Academy of Sciences. EVERY Scientific Institution on the Planet and 99.9% of peer reviewed research papers conclude AGW. The Science is as solid as that of Relativity, Plate Tectonics, Evolution, or the findings of Solid state physics that gave us computers and the iPhone. (If you read any of these results, you will find why your statements are wrong.)
WarrenJuly 8, 2015 2:13 pm
Since all the world's National Science Academies, Scientific Professional Societies and major universities, NASA and NOAA conclude Man is warming the Earth, dangerously so, and that it is not a 'cycle' but a continuous upward trend that will continue as long as Man burns fossil fuels, it seems there is no scientific basis for your claims.
Bruce ParkerJuly 8, 2015 1:16 pm
There is an "advantage" to the ambiguity of the current INDC submissions- it obscures the fact that future emissions will significantly overshoot the IPCC target (which should be significantly reduced to account for positive feedbacks from the Arctic - ghg emissions from a thawing permafrost, lower albedo from melting sea ice, retreating snow line, and tundra greening, etc,) and allows the public to be kept in the dark about how bad the situation is. We can always model ways to meet the inflated IPCC carbon budget, but sooner or later we will realize that our society is not willing to make the necessary sacrifices to keep atmospheric CO2 from exceeding "safe" levels. One does not need INDCs to see the problem. Just look at current CO2 emissions, factor in a reasonable growth rate for the next 10 years, and use a realistic "maximum decrabonization rate" to get the "overshoot". Then multiply the "overshoot" by a reasonable "carbon dioxide removal" rate and ask yourself if society will be willing to pay costs.
Darren PellichinoJuly 8, 2015 7:24 am
Warren that is not true. It is highly likely but not a factual claim. No scientists dedicated to the truth and only the truth would say there is proof that it has to be man, or that we are sure this cycle will continue.
VinceRJuly 7, 2015 10:50 pm
A slap in the face is nothing compare to the beating over the head by alarmists trying to convinced public that the re-altered data is accurate.
NickJuly 7, 2015 10:03 pm
These agreements and treaties aren't going to work unless there is an affordable alternative to fossil fuels. The ink will be still wet on the bottom line and there'll be renigs galore. Without enforcement mechanisms and with the irresistible urge to use cheap fuels, it will be business as usual. It won't be until beyond the point that our backs are against the wall that the countries of the planet will take this problem of CO2 emissions seriously. We need viable energy alternatives.
Robin_GuenierJuly 7, 2015 9:24 pm
To make matters even worse, despite their ‘valiant efforts’, the Climate Action Tracker’s assessments make no sense. For example, it rates China's submission as "Medium" – yet all China, responsible for about 30% of global emissions (more than the US and EU combined), has offered is an indication of a 'peak' (neither cut nor reduction) in about 15 years' time. As you point out Ed, it hasn't even stated the level of that peak. Nor has it indicated what will happen to its emissions when the peak is achieved. So Climate Action Tracker's ratings simply cannot be taken seriously. Ed: your final paragraph is spot on. Very well said – thanks. Let’s hope someone with the power, wit and authority to do something is listening.
NameJuly 7, 2015 7:19 pm
First, Imran khan you really need a haircut. You are percieved and are a self proclaimed savior of the people; what well fare work did you do for the people when the heat wave killed 1200 people in Karachi alone????
NedalJuly 7, 2015 11:30 am
Climate Change impact on basic human rights in unequivocal. This is what observations and science are telling us. This severe impact in no doubt exacerbated under conflict. Worldwide, most conflicts are by one mean or another rooted to climate change. The complicated nexus between CC, conflicts, national security and Human rights is already proved by scientist in different regions of the world including Palestine (my country), Syria, Africa,... name it. Disconnection of these links should be among the targets of the international community. For Palestine, the conflict / occupation is extremely affecting in negative manner Human Rights, Development and National Security. This should be resolved by the wisdom of world leaders / politicians and wise people.
Liberals have no moralsJuly 7, 2015 12:36 am
Only clueless democrats believe China when they say they will cut pollution. They have agreed to peak their pollution in 2030 with yearly numbers soaring till then.
ekofreekJuly 7, 2015 12:27 am
there are many in Bangladesh who don't have ocean-going yachts, and are therefore vulnerable to any change in sea level. Their rights are being trampled by the ones with the yachts, who don't have to worry about sea levels.
Richard EklundJuly 6, 2015 11:45 pm
You bet, it's a human right to believe in anything you like. You can believe that the moon is made of green cheese and you can believe that politicians and scientists paid by them are honest. Heck, you can believe that paying a tax on something somehow makes it better. You can believe ignoring facts that you can see in favor of arguments buried under layers of vague finding from undocumented studies with pre-determined outcomes makes sense, yes, you have that right.
Rich BalanceJuly 6, 2015 6:32 pm
It's an El Niño years and these fools are comparing it to normal years. Just shows how dishonest the climate propagandists will get.
MichMikeJuly 6, 2015 5:28 pm
Did you know that the personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the actual average / person? Not too surprising with their use of private jets, heavy discretionary commercial air travel, specifically first class, massive living space / person across multiple homes, and a myriad of other behaviors. But do you realize this means this small group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL (that's right, ALL) U. S. CO2 emissions? Can anyone explain why all the plans being implemented and proposed will allow this small group to continue to spew CO2 unabated (remaining THE PROBLEM wouldn't you say?) while financially hammering the lower income and middle classes, just for being alive. While we hear the words that this is an emergency and NO debate is allowed, the ACTIONS of this regime are the exact opposite of their words. Please hurry with your explanation, for it is an emergency and to date NO ONE has been able to provide an explanation. Indeed, no one has even tried to explain.
tmalthus2010July 6, 2015 4:57 pm
Because everybody knows that weather never varies and temperatures are exactly the same every year, mmm-hmm. Send the UN all your money.
B S EridicatorJuly 6, 2015 4:33 pm
In the meantime, it's now July in Dallas, Texas and we haven't had a 100 degree day yet. Which is unusually cool.
Robin_GuenierJuly 6, 2015 3:46 pm
Climate Action Tracker rates China's submission as "Medium". Yet all China, responsible for about 30% of global emissions (more than the US and EU combined), has offered is an indication of a 'peak' (neither cut nor reduction) in about 15 years' time. It hasn't even stated the level of that peak, nor has it indicated what will happen to its emissions when the peak is achieved. Climate Action Tracker's ratings cannot be taken seriously.
David RJuly 6, 2015 3:40 pm
Everywhere the weather is different, and more intense. We were told that this would happen. #ClimateChange
Scott1154July 6, 2015 11:52 am
Oh, there are warm temperatures in summer? I didn't know that.
Timmy WagnerJuly 6, 2015 9:23 am
Its not that hard to understand " its called axial shift" that is what has happened to the Earth !
tom_couchonJuly 6, 2015 8:00 am
WOW! It has been rainy and cold in the New England region this summer.......Better luck next time!
SkepticJuly 6, 2015 7:44 am
We are pass the tipping point; we are at a point of no return.
SteveJuly 6, 2015 4:36 am
The world has been bought by wealthy men who have enough to survive longer than any one else and don't want anything to interrupt their profit margins so nothing is going to be done. I'm actually getting tired of hearing about the outlook for the rest of us.
UpperLeftCoastJuly 5, 2015 9:58 pm
Looking at the comments here from the fossil fools, its obvious that they are increasingly worried that people are going to prevent their short term profit from cooking us. The climate has now shifted radically where I live, resulting in water shortages and extreme fire hazard. I have just one question for the deniers: why do you hate people?
BarrabassJuly 5, 2015 10:53 am
Very fundamentalist in thinking, I see in your comment. Nature only reacts to man's actions affecting her. Therefore, man changes his motivations and actions thereto, nature simply follows on. Think, John, think.
Drb-July 5, 2015 2:13 am
I think you just died last month, read about it on CNN, a good wrassler a horrible climate change denialist... your better off in the ring, not in science.
Drb-July 5, 2015 2:12 am
Hey man, I am trying ot help change the situation, its the denialists who want to roadblock everything.
ThisOldManJuly 4, 2015 1:54 pm
so do I
WarrenJuly 4, 2015 1:13 am
Your post indicates that you don't look to the findings of Science to assess how the climate behaves in response to man's burning of fossil fuels. I find Science is a much more reliable guide to a physical understanding of the Universe, and to the behavior of the Climate, than is morality or philosophy. And every institution of science in the world concludes Man is warming the planet--dangerously so.
William BrewerJuly 3, 2015 9:47 pm
All guesswork. Just like going to the doctor. You know, there is a reason they tell you to get a second opinion, right? Now, it may be an EDUCATED guess, but its still just a guess. They can not claim with absolute certainty its "the fastest rate of rise ever". You can't physically observe and record 200 years of data, and then try to extrapolate that data for 4 billion years. For example, we know with near certainty that during the dino age, the entire planet was much warmer, by 20 or 30 degrees(F), than it is today. How else do you explain tropical plant life in Minnesota? So, while I agree 100% we should make every effort to pollute less, I also say that to force people to do so before the technology is viable, meaning readily available AND affordable, all you're advocating is forcing the poor to do without, or the rich to pay another subsidy to the poor.
Alvin(((((((((((((((July 3, 2015 8:18 pm
Where did negawatts of energy rank?
flipjupitorJuly 3, 2015 10:06 am
Nice blog, It gave me good ideas to remove the old and unwanted cars. Thanks for sharing these good informations.
PygmalionJuly 2, 2015 11:46 pm
Low-carbon bombs?
PygmalionJuly 2, 2015 9:07 pm
Good for them.
josephJuly 2, 2015 2:54 pm
Well its fair but if india does this then it cannot give subsidies for fuel like kerosene. Make sure cow dung as a fuel is phased out, in 2015 there coal powered plants cannot run on technologies of 1950s. They have to improve there transmission efficiency and reduce wastage and theft. There are signs that india is doing something about some of these sectors except in cowdung and kerosene.
Bob BinghamJuly 2, 2015 10:48 am
There is no hope of limiting the temperature increase to 1.5 C. We are already at 0.9 C and still burning coal and oil at a furious rate. The ice sheets in Greenland are melting fast and Antarctica is speeding up as well. The islands only need one metre to be inundated but richer nations should not be smug because one metre sea level rise will bring financial ruin to most countries. http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/latest-posts--news/greenlamd-melting
VestiasJuly 2, 2015 10:46 am
If we want a better world it´s time to learn to rethink our consumption learn to reuse and share what we have green growth and global policy makers many feed this idea with economic justice and a culture of peace
themacwayJuly 2, 2015 8:52 am
The 'climate censors' are working late tonight. Lol!
Mikey1109July 2, 2015 8:50 am
I don't think so. I'm a republican and I'm not asking congress to act on climate change. I'm not in a hurry for my energy costs to increase or be forced to change my lifestyle so we can supposedly save mother earth.
themacwayJuly 2, 2015 8:42 am
Time to dump these UN zealots into the unemployment line before they DESTROY what's left of the world economy - already realing from decades of redistributionist, uber-lib entitlement policies. That's EXACTLY what they deserve and nothing less. I'm sick of their constant earth-is-dying-and-oil/humans/religion/et al-is killing it - BEE ESS!!!
CricketJuly 2, 2015 8:41 am
This is laughable, This is the same woman caught telling others that it's not about Climate Change but wealth redistribution.
GoldenBoysJuly 2, 2015 4:52 am
Perhaps they object to the massive income redistribution scam the UN wants to run costing businesses and the American Middle Class billions in extra taxes....all using AGW as the excuse.
B662July 2, 2015 4:16 am
In other words, If you do not do as we the world leaders wish we will take over your company! Just like Chavez did, our friend Hugo was ahead of our time. Communists for a new world order, that is the UN mission
Earth scientistJuly 2, 2015 1:36 am
Companies have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize return on investment. The UN is demanding the energy providers work to have all of us starve and freeze to death in the Dark. Global warming is a religion without definitive overall facts it is substantially real and man caused. These Fascist PC one world control crazies must be stopped
antiobamaJuly 2, 2015 1:25 am
Take 1 minute to comprehend what you read below. During our lifetimes, all Presidents have issued Executive Orders. For various reasons, some have issued more than others. These things will directly affect us all, in years to come. Question is: Do YOU care enough to send this, 'shocking info,' to people you love Ike - 2 in 8 year Kennedy - 4 in 3 year LBJ - 4 in 5 years Nixon - 1 in 6 years Ford - 3 in 2 years Carter - 3 in 4 years Reagan - 5 in 8 years Bush - 3 in 4 years Clinton - 15 in 8 years George W. Bush - 62 in 8 years Obama - 923 in 3 1/2 years! More than 1000+ and counting Executive Orders in 6 years... Read some of them below – unbelievable! Next step -dictatorship. (Looks like we are there already!). If you don't get the implications, you're not paying attention. How come all the other presidents in the past 100 years have not found it necessary to INCREASE GOVERNMENT’S POWER OVER THE PEOPLE with more than 1,000 Executive Orders? This is really very scary. And most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening. "YES, THERE IS A REASON THAT THIS PRESIDENT IS DETERMINED TO TAKE CONTROL AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. Even some Democrats in the House have turned on him, plus a very small number of Democrat Senators have questioned him. Rightfully so. - WHAT IS OBAMA REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH???? Remember what he told Russia 's Putin: "I'll be more flexible after I'm reelected? Now look at these: EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 -- allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 -- allows the government to seize and control the communication media. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 -- allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 -- allows the government to take over all food resources and farms. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 -- allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 -- allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare function EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 -- designates the registration of all persons. Postmaster General to operate a national registration. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 -- allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 -- allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 -- allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 -- assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 -- specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 -- grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 -- allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energ y sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. Financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. Feel free to verify the "executive orders" at will. ....and these are just the major ones. I'm sure you've all heard the tale of the "Frog in the Pot"... Watch Obama's actions, not his words! By his actions he will show you where America is headed. Obama has issued executive orders that seek to "harmonize" U.S. Economic regulations with the rest of the world. These executive orders are yet another incremental step that is pushing us closer to a North American Union and a one world economic system. Obama used the stage at the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King’s I have a dream speech to announce two new executive orders infringing on your second amendment rights.. The first bans the importation of antique military firearms for sale to sportsman and collectors. He intentionally mislabels them military grade weapons to deceive the sheeple, but make no mistake . . . The order was written specifically to ban the importation of surplus M1 carbines, M1 Garands, 1903 Springfields and other antiques coveted by collectors and sport shooters. This order is the death knell for the civilian marksmanship program. Congress had previously passed the sportsman protection act in 1986 which among other things guaranteed that the importation of the historic relics for collectors and the CMP would not be impeded by unreasonable regulations. Unfortunately, most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening. The American people need to understand that Barack Obama is constantly looking for ways to integrate the United States more deeply with the rest of the world. The globalization of the world economy has accelerated under Obama, and this latest executive order represents a fundamental change in U.S. Economic policy. Now federal regulators will be required to "harmonize" their work with the international community.
LincolnJuly 2, 2015 1:17 am
The UN, like Gruber and the democrats think we are stupid.
RedJuly 2, 2015 12:57 am
The UN is worthless. It has overstepped it's original charter and has become nothing but a tool for huge elitist cartels.
JamesJuly 2, 2015 12:29 am
The oil & gas lobby is determined to cook the planet and destroy it for our children and grandchildren. Therefore thay are evil. If you have any shares. Divest. If you can afford it get an electric car. If you do not have an electric car, boycott Shell - they are starting to drill in the Arctic.
ppiaseckJuly 1, 2015 11:32 pm
It wont do anything, Mother Nature runs her own course..............
Mike L.July 1, 2015 7:24 pm
Global warming is a huge problem but the glaciers melting in Alaska will NOT contribute significantly to sea level rise globally, as reported in this article. I am extremely concerned about the serious warming in Alaska and its impacts on the permafrost and wildlife. However, Alaska's land mass represents less than one-half of one percent of the world's oceans, so a 30 cm rise in 7 years would translate into translate into .05 inches in seven years.
GebJuly 1, 2015 12:32 pm
Perhaps if we just switched everything thing off in the whole world for the next 10 years it might help, what do you think UN? Kiribati will still be here 10 years from now and they will still be watching the ocean and begging for help.
PygmalionJuly 1, 2015 11:25 am
Funny there are no comments. Wonder if that's because RTCC censors every intelligent comment here.
PygmalionJuly 1, 2015 11:21 am
It's too late to buy different oceanic conditions?
cardiganJuly 1, 2015 10:24 am
The supposed threat doesn't seem to have stopped them opening yet another airport. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2201532/New-Maldives-airport-Kooddoo-Airport-opens-south-country.html There has been no acceleration in sea level rise over the last couple of hundred years and in any event, Pacific islands grow and change to adapt to changing sea levels: "New Zealand coastal geomorphologist Paul Kench, of the University of Auckland's School of Environment, and colleagues in Australia and Fiji, who have been studying how reef islands in the Pacific and Indian Oceans respond to rising sea levels. They found that reef islands change shape and move around in response to shifting sediments, and that many of them are growing in size, not shrinking, as sea level inches upward."
PygmalionJune 30, 2015 10:31 pm
If these people had the slightest clue what they are talking about, they would recognize that London's shortage of runway capacity results in hundreds of tons of jet fuel burned needlessly every single day in the skies over that city, due to plane in holding patterns awaiting their turn at the limited runways. Keeping infrastructure back in the middle ages does not decrease pollution - it increases it.
Robin_GuenierJune 30, 2015 3:56 pm
We're fast approaching a climate summit at which Kofi Annan insists 'Governments have to conclude a fair, universal and binding climate agreement, by which every country commits to reducing emissions of greenhouse gases'. (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/03/kofi-annan-interview-climate-change-paris-summit-sceptics). Yet all the country responsible for by far the greatest share of emissions (more than the US and EU combined) can offer is an indication of a 'peak' (neither cut nor reduction) in about 15 years' time. Paris looks set to be another failed conference.
GregJune 29, 2015 7:08 pm
Again, science is tricky and again you show a lack of study. Yes, plants do grow faster with higher levels of CO2, but not the part we want. we want the seeds to eat but those don't grow faster just the leaves and stalks and don't forget more water. Then they have higher interest from insects which require more pesticides. The story gets more interesting as you study it and that is what I recommend.
Tom RadeckiJune 29, 2015 3:38 pm
Beef doesn't cause global warming gases, cattle do. India has more cattle than any country in the world, which means that they emit a huge amount of methane gases. Their religion is no excuse for killing humans with global warming gases. India is also building huge numbers of coal power plants. They claim it is to help the poor, but that is not true. Their power plants are primarily to provide electricity to the middle class and the wealthy who together actually make up a clear minority of Indians. The sad thing is that India has vast solar and wind resources with significant desert areas of unused land. Solar is cheaper than coal but certain Indian billionaires with powerful political connections oppose solar and wind in favor of coal. Of course, India continues to have a fertility rate well above replacement level at a time when having more than one child is irresponsible except possibly for the academically gifted if their children would actually help the world. India already has the third highest national carbon footprint and the fastest growing footprint. Their coal plants will have a lifetime of at least 50 years. Humans all need to go carbon neutral today. If that is not possible, then as soon as humanly possible. New coal power plants anywhere in the world are highly irresponsible. We all need to try harder. Global warming will kill hundreds of millions or even billions of humans this century and still more the next. It is worse than you think.
Darren PellichinoJune 29, 2015 5:30 am
I think the real issue is weakness and a need to point at someone else for doing wrong. Are you really thinking humans are able to be shiny happy beings? We are a product of a planet that requires the death of living beings for the life of others. Life is required to break down and destroy to build itself up. A warmer Earth is going to see a bloom of life as the tropics are proof of the amount of life that heat energy grows. We as mammals are going to loose some of our edge over cold blooded species because they will get more free energy. But honestly mammals are very volatile fast lived animals, and maybe not the solution to the whole story of evolution.
FiendishGOPlardassJune 29, 2015 3:35 am
actually, US subsidies are a bit more than $4.5b. Closer to $699b/yr. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/18/fossil-fuel-companies-getting-10m-a-minute-in-subsidies-says-imf?CMP=share_btn_tw see IEA http://www.eia.gov/analysis/requests/subsidy/
FiendishGOPlardassJune 29, 2015 3:16 am
Could you clarify what referenced the "consumer subsidies" are [3. Fossil fuel subsidies outweigh carbon pricing "] ? You note: "Consumer subsidies for petrol, cooking gas and electricity might be vote-winners, but they encourage wasteful consumption and benefit the middle classes more than the poor." In addressing subsidies, IEA and IMF refer only to fossil fuel subsidies [not "consumers subsidies"], and the fossil fuel subsidies are gifts benefiting only the fossil fuel co.s, and investors. Such do not indirectly lower consumer prices or otherwise make consumers better off. Also, world wide fossil fuel subsidies [$5.3 t/yr. or eg fossil fuels investment est. ~$27 trillion, McKibbon, 2012] would ideally be greatly "outweigh[ed] [by] carbon pricing" but no ones proposing that are they? I doubt we'll see that happen any time soon. Note, as yet there are no carbon prices either. Carbon pricing has been urged for 30 years or more ranging from $40-100/ ton CO2, w/o correlations, e.g, the $100 price suggested by J. Hansen was not demonstrably correlated to his oil and gas subsidy figure of $600b. See http://csas.ei.columbia.edu/2015/01/12/golden-opportunity/ The best proposal is from Thomas Goreau; he urges that carbon tax revenues be used to jump start massive CO2 drawdown eg bio char projects, http://www.globalcoral.org/wp-content/uploads/files/2014/01/down_to_earth_vs_rearranging_-deckchairs.pdf This is obviously the way to go. Its more rational and will do far more good than James Hansen's idea of simply gifting a carbon tax 'dividend' to consumers.
WarrenJune 29, 2015 1:28 am
You misunderstand the term Anthropogenic Climate Change. Natural climate cycles are typically 10s of thousands of years long --nearly undetectable during a man's lifetime. But AGW is causing the Climate to change --but not to cycle as natural effects have done, but to WARM without end (as long as Man burns fossil fuels), and to warm at the fastest rate of rise ever seen in the history of the planet.
WarrenJune 29, 2015 1:24 am
I find those qualities admirable. But I do not find the Denial of Science among many Tea Partiers to be admirable at all. As a fellow conservative Republican I think Tea Partiers need to start reading real Science, understand it, and join Democrats and other Republicans in dealing with the reality of Anthropogenic Climate Change.
WarrenJune 29, 2015 1:21 am
You've misinterpreted the Science. Water vapor is indeed the dominant Greenhouse Gas, but the amount of water vapor in the global atmosphere is relatively constant - whereas CO2, the 2nd largest factor in the Greenhouse effect, has increased 40% during the industrial age, and is still rising , more rapidly than ever as man burns fossil fuels at an ever increasing rate. Game set match.
WarrenJune 29, 2015 1:17 am
There is no debate about the basics of AGW. EVERY one of the worlds Institutions of Science conclude or agree AGW -- ALL the National Science Academies of the world--US, UK, France, Germany, Japan, China, etc, etc, plus all Scientific Professional Societies, all major Universities, NASA and NOAA. If I were you, I'd write up your arguments, and submit them to one of the Academies (say, the National Academy of Science, USA) and see what they say about your arguments. Just keep in mind that Scientific evidence contradicting AGW cannot be found on Earth.
WarrenJune 29, 2015 1:12 am
YES.
WarrenJune 29, 2015 1:12 am
You forgot 'E' --They understand the scientific foundation for AGW, whereas the Deniers do not.
WarrenJune 29, 2015 1:09 am
Mikehaseler Only the raw uncalibrated data shows no warming --and its not reliable without those adjustments. Surface data shows a clear warming trend over the last 18 years. 9 of the last 10 years since 2000 set all time records. But an 18 year warming trend doesn't prove AGW, anymore than the lack of an 18 year warming trend disproves it. The time period is too short for long range climate trends to be discernable, due to long-cycle weather patterns, and the fact that 90% of the Earth's heat unbalance goes into the oceans, and only 3% to the atmosphere, making for a lot of variation in the temperature effects on the atmosphere. The idea that there is no feedback is junk science. And the idea that we can't possibly get to a 5C warming is also Junk science -- as long as Man burns fossil fuels, the climate will warm, until Man stops using those fuels. You call those comments 'stupid'? NO , they are the conclusions of ALL the worlds institutions of science -- the Academies, Professional Societies, major Universities, NASA and NOAA --no exceptions.
FiendishGOPlardassJune 28, 2015 2:23 am
no, actually the future for corals is quite certain: they will be gone--- oceans are now already too warm for corals (Goreau, 2014).
Carl SzaboJune 26, 2015 9:27 pm
You can also find contradictory science there as well but pretty sure you would not believe.
Carl SzaboJune 26, 2015 9:24 pm
Sorry but that cuts both ways. Pompous much?
SchmidlackJune 26, 2015 9:24 pm
A gradually increasing carbon tax is the best solution to AGW.
Carl SzaboJune 26, 2015 9:23 pm
Einstein, The Arctic which seems to get most of the attention is not on a land mass.
bubba2001June 26, 2015 7:02 pm
What about China and Brazil? The Netherlands isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to them!
Marty CelnickJune 26, 2015 2:53 pm
Time change involves millions of years not decades. In 1900, according to the 2013 World Almanac and Book of Facts, the average global temperature was 56 1/2 degrees F and today its over 58.
Marty CelnickJune 26, 2015 2:51 pm
Hey, this is lengthy. If you want to write a book, find a publisher. Don't use public bulletin boards as a platform for our endless rants!
Guy DaunceyJune 25, 2015 7:18 pm
This could be a real game-changer: congratulations to Urgenda!!
SimonJune 24, 2015 8:58 pm
Good stuff. Now translate half of the costs to the profits of the polluting industries, the other half in product prices.
Carl SzaboJune 24, 2015 3:06 pm
When will the nonsensical hype on this issue end?
NikolaMilovicJune 24, 2015 10:44 am
Climate change on the planet depend on the mutual relations of the planets and the sun, but in a way that today's science has not discovered, nor wants to know them. Sunspot cycle of about 11 years, are just indicators of what will happen to the behavior of the planet and the climate on them. It was a miracle that no one from any of the institutes of the world, does not want to cooperate in order to clarify this issue. I've been trying for a few years, but there some interest. What can we, when we came to that level when everyone every enemy, and nothing he does not believe. Behold the truth, it does not enrich the material, but spiritual.!
SiobhanJune 24, 2015 7:21 am
Great to see a campaign bring people together and being translated into positive community action. Hope Lancashire follows!
ArnoldJune 23, 2015 11:01 pm
If you go to petition project.org/ you will find 31,487 scientist reject global warming. Is there then another agenda of the pro global warming group? The answer may be found on youtube "global warming to bring global government-important. I would think the Pope would be talking about Matthew 24 and/or 2 Chronicles 7:14, but the Pope is pushing for the UN becoming the global leader which would make the Pope the religious authority of the world.
BillHarryJune 23, 2015 7:06 pm
The forecasts are 100% correct. Only the observations are wrong.
Miklós AntalJune 23, 2015 10:56 am
If 2C is no longer possible, then it is time to draw conclusions regarding the economic system. I wouldn't like to see a similar talk on 3C. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9_Xc9wxByM
stehvakkaJune 23, 2015 10:30 am
What would stop warming at five degrees? The official 0.85C we already have is enough to melt the Arctic and change Atlantic ocean currents so that clathrates on the ocean floor are releasing methane in ever increasing quantities. It no longer makes any difference how much CO2 mankind spews into the atmosphere because methane release is now irreversible and will cause global temperatures to rise far above 5C within the lifetimes of those already alive. They will not, however, survive it. We can head for zero emissions by the end of the century but there will not be anyone around to see if it works. Atmospheric heat from Arctic methane alone will see to that. (If satellite records from the last 18 years genuinely show no heating, we need some better satellites, wouldn't you say?)
Fortified I am BuzzlightyearJune 23, 2015 7:13 am
OMG!!!! This is the tenth time with the same response in ten comment sections...
Angus2100June 23, 2015 6:43 am
You're gravely misinformed, but then deniers by definition will dismiss all scientific evidence so they can maintain the status quo. Know that the carbon party will be ending, and coal will be the first to go.
lafontaineJune 23, 2015 4:14 am
First there was his identification with St. Francis who loved and respected Nature and practiced kindness/kinship with the animals. Then this very powerful call to take action against the damages/dangers of climate change. It seems this pope was 'heaven-sent'. He is not cowed by the deniers and the power brokers who have harnessed the politicians to do their bidding. We must support him and raise our voices in concert with his leadership. Otherwise our corrupted and/or cautious elected leaders will continue to avoid action.
Sandeep KulkarniJune 22, 2015 10:16 pm
Have you read the Rig Veda -- show me the paragraph where it states that eating beef is forbidden. The Vedas and indeed all of our social norms were driven by smart economic reality -- it takes a lot more resources to grow an animal to slaughter than the pleasure that you get from eating it or if those resources were better diverted to serving the needs of a larger population. And this is coming from a Brahmin kid who has read the Rig Veda.
Calamity_JeanJune 22, 2015 10:01 pm
"Wind, solar, hydro and other renewable sources made up 59% of new power generation capacity installed in 2014."
This is good news, but that percentage needs to become 100% within the next few years. Fortunately the cost of wind and solar is still falling.
budski9June 22, 2015 2:36 pm
Catholic authority does not have the capability of implementing the true laws of God as they themselves are the violators. Exodus 20:4 "You shall NOT make for yourself an idol in the form of ANYTHING in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. Matthew 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. THEY COME TO YOU IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING, but INWARDLY ARE FEROCIOUS WOLVES. Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect if that were possible. This religion will deceive the many as prophesied Revelation 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth Gog and Magog to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore Revelation 13:14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he DECEIVED THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived Revelation 17:2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries." But what will happen to this deceitful religion? Isaiah 42:17 But THOSE WHO TRUST IN IDOLS, WHO SAY TO IMAGES, 'You are our gods,' will be turned back IN UTTER SHAME. What does the bible say? Do not add to his laws with any form of tradition. Do not make ANY idols. Mark 7:9 And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 4.Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. What does this false religion PROMOTE? Lawlessness. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-43 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the MAN OF LAWLESSNESS is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. When this deceitful church promotes lawlessness, what happens? Many will become evil as planned by Satan. Galatians 5:19-21 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. What are the penalty? Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the IDOLATERS and all liars their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." So how many will this deceitful religion put to damnation? They are many as the sand of the sea as prophesied… Revelation 20:8-10 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth Gog and Magog to gather them for battle. In number they are LIKE THE SAND ON THE SEA SHORE. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them So where is the true salvation? John 10:9 I am the door whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. A revelation brought to you by a member of Church of Christ or Iglesia ni Cristo member Acts: 20:28 (Lamsa translation) For more truth and bible revelations Visit www.incmedia. org
TravisJSaysJune 22, 2015 6:21 am
The Pope warned against internet communications as not being genuine, and warned against air conditioning, but he called for 'dialog', so please dont cull my blasphemy ... Pope Francis' new encyclical on the environment calls for men and women to acknowledge their bodies as a “gift” from God which should not be manipulated. No word yet from the Responding to Gender Change folks regarding that. He denounces the consumerist tendency to waste things, including the waste of human life that comes from killing the unborn and experimenting on embryos. He also denounces an environmentalism that respects the earth but neglects or maligns people. He repeats long-standing appeals to support the family, vocational work, and a change of heart away from relativism, material consumption and towards a respectful spiritual encounter with others and the world. So whether this challenges zero population growth, pro-abortion, LGBT activists more of less than it challenges free market believers, technologists, and climate change skeptics is a matter of perspective. It seems everyone on all sides will be a 'cafeteria catholic' and pick only what they want from this, discard or discount what they dont want to hear. “That the Pope should not deal in science sounds a bit strange" Well, the good news is the encyclical has little science in it. 90-95% of the encyclical is not even talking about climate change. The part that does merely repeats some basic alarmist claims about climate, without numbers, references, sources or quantification. we are told a crisis awaits but not even told how many ppm of Co2 is required to foment it. Anyone afraid of the Pope playing scientist has nothing to fear - it's more he's playing UN spokesman and just repeating UN/IPCC dogma. This doesnt change that debate much at all. Sooner or later, the UN IPCC will have to learn that repeating alarmism by yet one more authority doesn't make those claims true. Facts are the ultimate authority, and the truth will set us free.
mbpradasJune 22, 2015 5:18 am
Hindus consider and adore earth as Mother. When you realize it, She is saved.
PatrickJune 21, 2015 5:54 pm
A British journal of science published an article about the year 2050, this will be the year if crisis, year of lack of water and year of super hot weather. It's already too late to reverse the situation to zero, we can now only delay it. Even if we all stop polluting environment from today, it will most likely will buy us another 150 years in the planet. We can't fool ourselves, we should get ready. There will be mass migration from 2050 till 2060 and only 35% of earth would support living condition. People who think it's seventies and are brainwashed by tea party far right movement will die in their foolishness. We need to focus on the moon, there is no other ulternative and Mars will not be the best option.
Al HopferJune 21, 2015 5:41 pm
wouldn't it more alarming to say 2-7 degrees C? Why stop at 5?
Al HopferJune 21, 2015 5:38 pm
Ok 2C pre-industrial. That is not 1880. But that is 1600AD or 600AD Today it is promoted that the Planet has warmed 0.7 degree C, since 1880 The question must become was 1880 too warm or too cold a year (trend)?. If too cold then the +0.7 figure is too high, the planet should warm. The more general question should be is "what should the temperature of the planet be"? Just stating 1880 since that is when the US started to keep temperature records does not and can not tell the complete story, or equate to anything scientific.
Juliet AmyJune 21, 2015 5:24 pm
Climate change is called 'Weather" Global warming is called "propaganda" or #FearMongering
Tom BlissJune 21, 2015 10:06 am
Mike - I'm sure your view is sincerely held, and based on what you consider to be reliable evidence, but just in case you do have an open mind, may I ask you to question whether the 'no warming in the last 18 years' argument is based on reliable evidence. This article suggests it is not, and I sincerely hope it will begin to change your mind. As the Pope has pointed out and most scientific institutions around the world will attest (with suitable nuance and caveat, naturally), anthropogenic global warming is already delivering a dangerously changing climate and causing major and possibly catastrophic problems. This is not alarmism, it is basic if rapidly developing science. But it is alarming. Thanks for your time Tom http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/jun/08/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-noaa-global-warming-faux-pause-paper
Rullbert BollJune 21, 2015 9:31 am
I'm probably wasting time with a denialist fool, but where did he write "5C"?
realistic4UJune 20, 2015 6:37 pm
Have you ever had an independent thought?
RHO1953June 20, 2015 5:02 pm
The Pope went after capitalism and the political system. That is his true agenda and it will backfire on him. It will cause a schism in the church and further erode the power of the church. My own attendance has declined dramatically. I am voting with my feet and denying the church my checkbook. I urge everyone offended by this nonsense to do the same.
Susan MayerJune 20, 2015 3:24 pm
I think this statement isn't helpful at a time when we need all the help we can get. As the overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion makes crystal clear: GW is real. It's happening now. We're in trouble. Stupid is as stupid does. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22329852.900-no-more-pause-warming-will-be-nonstop-from-now-on.html#.VYV1hflVhHw
John LarsonJune 20, 2015 3:03 pm
google doesn't find man made global warming reversing millennial-old ice ages - next solution?
steve48June 20, 2015 11:49 am
The last person I'd like to talk to about climate change is a "I've got to promote this to save my career" climate scientist. If it weren't for this hoax there would be no use for them and they realize that fact.
steve48June 20, 2015 11:46 am
Well I'm sure I answered pretty much all the questions correct and I still know man-made global warming is a hoax so what actually does the study prove?
JimmytheJovialGerbilJune 20, 2015 9:19 am
http://www.skepticalscience.com/no-warming-in-16-years-advanced.htm
Steven CohenJune 20, 2015 2:39 am
Scientists say satellite data for measuring global temps is not as useful as ground and sea measurements. The world is warming, period. Stop the silly denial and support carbon reduction efforts.
disqus4700June 20, 2015 2:05 am
The NOAA has been able to achieve any temperature number it desires, why it has even been able to change past temp numbers ( Probably won't allow sarcasm as a communication here).
disqus4700June 20, 2015 2:03 am
The NOAA has been able to achieve any temperature number it desires, even into the past
grrretchenJune 19, 2015 9:14 pm
This whole 2C thingy is nonsense. You can't find a single scientist who can tell you when we have reached 2C. Why? Because then they would have to tell you what the mean global temperature will have to read when that milestone is hit. Ask them to be specific and all they will say is "Well... ahh... we mean... ah... 2C about pre industrial levels..." Okay fine, then tell me what the mean global temperature of pre industrial levels was? "Well... ahh... I mean... ah... you can't define it in... ahh... absolute terms." Oh really? Then just how will you nincompoops know when it has been reached??? "Well.. ahh... I guess when... ah... the scientists say so..." Good grief... what a bunch of moron parrots.
Sunwyn RavenwoodJune 19, 2015 8:52 pm
You are amazingly ignorant. Perhaps you should try reading some books on climate change. I recommend "Under a Green Sky" by Peter Ward.
Sunwyn RavenwoodJune 19, 2015 8:50 pm
There is no possibility of avoiding a catastrophic rise in temperature. While efforts to reduce carbon dioxide output and increase clean energy sources are worthwhile they can do nothing to stop the increase in temperature. Nations should concentrate their efforts on figuring out what the changes will mean for them, and finding ways to provide for the health and well being of their citizens.
NickJune 19, 2015 8:24 pm
Do you know that satellite data do not measure temperature directly? And satellite "temperature" readings are fraught with difficulties? Once satellite data are calibrated with far more accurate ground measurements, do you know what the post-calibrated analyses show?
Ivan RudenkoJune 19, 2015 8:01 pm
There is a non-existing 0.039% amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Only completely uneducated people can say: a non-existing thing can warm up the globe!
Rob SamplesJune 19, 2015 7:30 pm
Yea, we all noticed it. The only difference is that we are not using flawed logic to assess a very serious situation. Just cuz Billy down the street is or is not doing something, shouldn't affect what we do. The truth is that China is kicking our butt (as is the rest of the world) in solving this problem. We ALL need to get to 0 as soon as possible. It should be the US leading this, not being drug along because some idiots still can't comprehend that the science is settled and the gas companies are paying lobbyists to convince you otherwise. Let's assume CO2 has no effect on climate. It still poisons people, fossil fuel supplies are limited, and they cost a lot of $. If we have the technology, we could theoretically provide clean, free energy to everyone forever. Why wouldn't we want to aggressively pursue this possibility???
Michael HJune 19, 2015 6:16 pm
The problem is that you and others like you do not know your science. CO2 is NOT a pollutant yet it is being treated as such. It is one of the main components in Photosynthesis. It is NOT a poisonous gas. If you and others want to talk about harmful pollutants like Sulfur Dioxide, Hydrocarbons, Carbon Monoxide, Methane, Particulate Matter and other poisons, I am all ears. While I do agree that CO2 in large amounts can be harmful/fatal, we are discussing PPM or Parts per Million here. CO2 hysteria is ridiculous.
Michael HJune 19, 2015 6:09 pm
Most likely he is a Spin Doctor. What is really sad is that he believes his own drivel.
Michael HJune 19, 2015 6:07 pm
Remember, NASA means Need Another Seven Astronauts. They are not infallible as they have shown countless times.
oasischrisJune 19, 2015 5:41 pm
The pope has obtained a degree in chemistry--which IS one of the sciences. GO FRANCIS! Unfortunately, he will not likely address women's reproductive care and health issues as a major step forward.
mikehaselerJune 19, 2015 2:03 pm
The satellite record shows no warming in the last 18 years. Based on the current trend we can keep burning fossil fuels indefinitely. As for the ridiculous idea we are heading to 5C warming - that isn't science. It is strongly rejected by the lack of warming which tells us that there is little or no positive feedback in the climate system. And basically I've not heard such a stupid comment even from the most ardent alarmists for a while.
kUxmmJune 19, 2015 1:56 pm
On my mobile device I missed the linked study. I recommend everyone read the actual paper and pay special attention to the questions and results. I'm not really sure this study shows anything all that news worthy or important. It seems more like a study created to deliver a specific result (which has never happened in this vertical before I'm sure)...
kUxmmJune 19, 2015 1:45 pm
This article is completely worthless without the raw data and attempts to create assumtions by ommiting a huge amount of information that is required to make conclusions by the categories and break downs given.
BarryWoodsJune 19, 2015 1:23 pm
Hi Louise, citing the Guardian as an independent source is a bit silly, as they merely quote the organizers! Additionally, whilst the Climate Coalition has a hundred member organisation, and a 11 million members.. a few of those organisations, make up the big numbers, Ie Oxfam, RSPB... must be a bit of double counting going on (ie my parents support both) And if you polled Oxam and RSPB members (millions of them) how many members will have actually even heard of the Climate Coalition! so the leaders of organisations have all joined the Climate Coalition, lending the weight of millions of members of the RSPB (and other big orgs) to the cause/ coalition that they (97% ? ) have never heard of perhaps) is rather questionable? more 'untruths'? Alex (RTCC) asked the organizers: Alex Pashley a day ago Barry, this is the response I received by email from the campaigners' media liaison, Rosie Shannon on Thursday 18th. "We had 8750 people register to attend the day - but, anecdotally, quite a few people turned up without registering (often 1 person from the constituency registered & brought a group along with them) and equally not all those registered would have turned up on the day. Hence 'over 9k attended'... Yesterday we also launched an online letter for people to lobby their MP virtually if they couldn't be there in person. By lunchtime we had 1k and in total just under 2500 people took the online action yesterday, so we're estimating that between 8-10 thousand people lobbied their MPs yesterday." I understand taking campaigners' figures are problematic, though this event spanned over five hours or so, and the banks and bridges across the Thames were relatively full. I hope this helps. Regards, Alex
BarryWoodsJune 19, 2015 1:08 pm
right - so it seem that 9000 people actually attending, is untrue... registering, but not turning up, is counted as 'attended' - LOL "9,000 people flocked to Westminster" in spirit... it seems, but it is just spin.
stillrockinJune 19, 2015 12:14 pm
Most glaciers are not in the water. Your comment proves the article right.
William BrewerJune 19, 2015 11:49 am
WRONG! Language matters. I challenge you to go look up the definition of CAUSE...then look up CONTRIBUTE. Tell me which word more accurately describes humans impact on the environment.
William BrewerJune 19, 2015 11:46 am
I can answer my own question: Here, let me ask you one. Tell me the difference between CAUSE and CONTRIBUTE.
FritzerJune 19, 2015 4:40 am
the pope can create/write an encyclical but it is supposed to be on doctrinal or religious issues, not on political issues.
Terry Chuhran(mat'l scientist)June 19, 2015 4:04 am
Here's some facts the Man Made Global Warming Religious Cultist don't know and refuse to learn: Ever hear of "photosynthesis"? This process in plants requires CO2. Plants can't live without CO2. CO2 for plants is like an oxygen tent for humans, it promotes faster growth. Therefore and increase CO2 will grow more food. In fact 15% of the world increase in food production has been directly linked to the increase in CO2 from 0.024% (240PPM) in the 1900th century to 0.04% (400PPM) now. This uses up most, if not all of the CO2 produced by man (which is only 0.002% of the CO2 in our atmosphere). Thus cutting CO2 would reduce plant growth and thus reduce food production. Conclusion: Reducing carbon emissions ( i.e. CO2) would starve millions of people in the 3rd world countries. But you Man Made Global Warming Religious Cultist don't care about that, either (A) your very stupid, (B) you don't care about your fellow man (C) you're just interested in the money you're going to make or (D) all of the above. My vote is D Any idea where most of the CO2 comes from or how much we have in our atmosphere? I'll bet very few, if any, of you Man Made Global Warming Religious Cultist even know.
Stuart KocherJune 19, 2015 2:53 am
Frodo67, in typical right-wing fashion you decided to simply post some speculative BS instead of following the embedded link to the actual study being cited in the article. Let me help you to understand what "sourcing" is used for; it offers the reader or viewer a means of obtaining the material used to produce the article or news report. This allows you, the consumer, to follow this link and read the original documents for yourself. Now, I know that sourcing in FOX world is non-existent, especially during prime time, which is why smart people watch MSNBC and then follow the sourcing. You could have answered your own question by following the link to the study and actually read the exact questions (with answers and respondent data) but that is not how stupid people (or lazy, you choose) obtain information. No, for your ilk it is far safer and somehow comforting(?) to do what FOX and the right-wing loon-a-sphere tell you. Because we we all know "some people" and "many scientists" in FOX world is about as close to a legitimate source as you're gonna get.
Kyder DogJune 19, 2015 2:47 am
Maybe because you wouldn't understand it... you know like 1+1=2
Ray FischerJune 19, 2015 2:20 am
I bet you think that you're smart, don't you?
prs14June 19, 2015 1:27 am
Just look at the study. You can see the test questions there
Together_we_can_beat_themJune 18, 2015 11:51 pm
More Tea Party 'baiting' to cause division and fighting, so we all take our focus off the real issues at hand.
VinceRJune 18, 2015 11:39 pm
You pick and choose facts *ahem* to support your biased theory. Pope also say the same about abortion in the same speech, will you join in that march as well? I guess another thing that's notoriously difficult to predict *ahem* is how much to adjust *ahem* data to reflect the predictions *ahem*.
rfshuntJune 18, 2015 11:02 pm
Or maybe you missed the citation. There's a link to the study results - which includes the test questions - in the second paragraph of the article.
Mike ShapiroJune 18, 2015 7:47 pm
So you think those that want small government and low taxes are sociopaths? That is what the Tea Party stood for before it was distorted by the liberal press.
Mike ShapiroJune 18, 2015 7:44 pm
What kind of doctor are you?
Mike ShapiroJune 18, 2015 7:31 pm
If the ice is already in the water why will the level rise when it melts?
tonilauraJune 18, 2015 7:27 pm
I have had discussions on climate change with my logical son. Among other things, we talk of the pumping out of the earth, the seas, of oil. We pull heavy oil from the earth and leave, what, empty holes eventually? Empty holes in the bed of the seas to be filled with...water? Doesn't all this throw the balance of the earth off? Then, I remember that in a class of geology , beginnings, spinning, and that the earth actually turns about (today's measures) a quarter of an inch every hundred years or so and the odd theory that actually over the thousands of years, the turning was such that the poles were actually the topical area. I know, sounds stupid but...today's drilling, the empty holes filling with water that 'weights' less than oil could have a part of climate change? In our home, we talk.
BarryWoodsJune 18, 2015 7:22 pm
ah I see - count the people that registered, vs those bothered to actually come...
BarryWoodsJune 18, 2015 7:20 pm
no it is not above 'love' either It is about honesty... communications to the public have to be honest, or the eventually distrust 'you', maybe not today, nor tomorrow, next, week, next year, but ultimately they stop believing a word anything activists say.
RLLJune 18, 2015 7:04 pm
Dude, do us a favor and don't do psychology over the Intertubes.
RLLJune 18, 2015 7:04 pm
Milankovitch cycles changing the insolation in the Northern Hemisphere coupled with release of CO2 and CH4 as the permafrost melted. Next question?
RLLJune 18, 2015 7:03 pm
Doctors Dunning and Kruger, please come to a white paging telephone. The teabaggers are confirming your theories.
Iron ManJune 18, 2015 6:28 pm
Seriously? Why do people like you constantly deny facts when they are spoon fed to you? They told you whats on the tests, and gave you the results. The only propaganda being spread here is from you.
Iron ManJune 18, 2015 6:27 pm
Wow, looks like you are one of those who took the tests, and failed miserably. Google can answer your question. I would, but you wont believe me anyways, especially when its pointed out you have absolutely no comprehension of what you're asking about.
fuzzylumpkinsJune 18, 2015 6:25 pm
Do you see the link in the second paragraph that says 'study'? That takes you to the full study, which includes the questionaire that was used. Your behavior is just re-enforcing their conclusions.
Iron ManJune 18, 2015 6:24 pm
So much wrong with your question its kind of pathetic. You can easily find this out through a google search. which you won't believe anyways.
FlyovermanJune 18, 2015 5:56 pm
You can start by explaining why Water Vapor that can account for as much as 4% of the atmosphere and is a far worse greenhouse gas than CO2 is really not a global warming concern. P.S. I do not find it in the Bible. Your serve.
FlyovermanJune 18, 2015 5:51 pm
Anytime a Warmist wants to debate, I am available.
sancholibreJune 18, 2015 5:43 pm
Snow =/= Ice. If the snow melts before it gets compacted into glacial ice, then it doesn't matter if they get a mile high of snow, it's irrelevant.
sancholibreJune 18, 2015 5:42 pm
Yes, there is a vast conspiracy to raise the acidity of ocean water so that Americans will have their taxes redistributed in a different way than the current method.
sancholibreJune 18, 2015 5:40 pm
The test is linked in the article.
DanJune 18, 2015 5:27 pm
“There is no doubt that atmospheric greenhouse gases are rising rapidly and little doubt that some warming and bad ecological events are occurring. However, the main basis of the claim that man’s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface system. “What should we as a nation do? Decisions have to be made on incomplete information. In this case, we must act on the recommendations of Gore and the IPCC because if we do not reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and the climate models are right, the planet as we know it will in this century become unsustainable. But as a scientist I remain skeptical.” Once I checked the first one and saw how badly it was mangled, I knew the rest of your post was made up too. "I... believed in eugenics" - Jim_Roberts See how easy it is to change a quote's meaning when you had an ellipsis wherever you feel like it?
Eric GreenbergJune 18, 2015 3:58 pm
RE; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan-Boltzmann_law where TS is the temperature of the Sun, rS the radius of the Sun, and a0 is the distance between the Earth and the Sun. This gives an effective temperature of 6 °C on the surface of the Earth, assuming that it perfectly absorbs all emission falling on it and has no atmosphere. The Earth has an albedo of 0.3, meaning that 30% of the solar radiation that hits the planet gets scattered back into space without absorption. The effect of albedo on temperature can be approximated by assuming that the energy absorbed is multiplied by 0.7, but that the planet still radiates as a black body (the latter by definition of effective temperature, which is what we are calculating). This approximation reduces the temperature by a factor of 0.71/4, giving 255 K (−18 °C).[4][5] However, long-wave radiation from the surface of the earth is partially absorbed and re-radiated back down by greenhouse gases, namely water vapor, carbon dioxide and methane.[6][7] Since the emissivity with greenhouse effect (weighted more in the longer wavelengths where the Earth radiates) is reduced more than the absorptivity (weighted more in the shorter wavelengths of the Sun's radiation) is reduced, the equilibrium temperature is higher than the simple black-body calculation estimates. As a result, the Earth's actual average surface temperature is about 288 K (15 °C), which is higher than the 255 K effective temperature, and even higher than the 279 K temperature that a black body would have.
TheAntiProgressiveJune 18, 2015 3:17 pm
The climate models generally don't take into account solar activity but you can go check it out at NASA. They have a nifty little state of the art solar satellite you paid for up there and you can even get data there. I believe it is called SORCE or something like that. You won't like what you read oh knowledgeable one. The climate modelers have all proven to be frauds for the most part and the models have gone off the rails.
TheAntiProgressiveJune 18, 2015 3:06 pm
Yup I learned all I ever needed in the grade school terrarium course. Assuming standard barometric pressure +/- and rising temperatures then PV=nRT you will see more and more "evaporation" of the oceans into the atmosphere and then more precipitation in the form of cooling rain or increased snowfalls. The planet is primarily water.
Alex PashleyJune 18, 2015 2:55 pm
Barry, this is the response I received by email from the campaigners' media liaison, Rosie Shannon on Thursday 18th. "We had 8750 people register to attend the day - but, anecdotally, quite a few people turned up without registering (often 1 person from the constituency registered & brought a group along with them) and equally not all those registered would have turned up on the day. Hence 'over 9k attended'... Yesterday we also launched an online letter for people to lobby their MP virtually if they couldn't be there in person. By lunchtime we had 1k and in total just under 2500 people took the online action yesterday, so we're estimating that between 8-10 thousand people lobbied their MPs yesterday." I understand taking campaigners' figures are problematic, though this event spanned over five hours or so, and the banks and bridges across the Thames were relatively full. I hope this helps. Regards, Alex
DaFrankerJune 18, 2015 2:32 pm
Your "logic" seems to assume one cause for every effect, in neat tidy rows. If we both put our arms to it and push a stalled car, what was the cause of the car moving? Is it your left arm? My brain, that sent commands to my arms? Or the problem that made the car stall in the first place? What, exactly, do you remove as the "cause" to prevent the stalled car from being pushed? Your arms? My brain? Maybe if neither of us has arms, we'll have just called a tow instead, and now the stalled car is still moving. But we removed the cause! There should be no effect! Stop pretending you know your science just because you can ask a few pointy questions that not everyone knows the answers to by rote.
frodo67June 18, 2015 2:25 pm
Why don't they show the test? Maybe because the test is propaganda to begin with.
McMeatfaceJune 18, 2015 2:20 pm
Well, I see many of the uninformed posted in this thread as well. If I want to talk to an expert in climate change, I will go talk to a climatologist. If I want to talk to a moronic idiot that believes in Biblical fairy tales, I'll go to talk to one of the dopes in this thread.
disqus4700June 18, 2015 2:15 pm
You are projecting much. Your ilk live in the Bizarro world i.e. the Doleysal lady saying she is transracial (born of white parents but thinks she is black heading up the NAACP chapter. Al Gore saying seas are going to rise and then buying ocean front property. One large publication saying NY City would be gone by 2014 or 10
Steve SmithJune 18, 2015 2:00 pm
Interesting that many of the responses here are right in line with what the study showed. Teapots are ideology over analytic. And their ideology never lets the facts get in the way.
John LarsonJune 18, 2015 1:56 pm
if global warming is "man made", how did we come out of all those previous ice ages?
Dr. Richard KingmanJune 18, 2015 1:35 pm
This article misses the point in that Tea Party thinking can not be compared to average human thinking because it is a result if abnormal psychology and is a form is sociopathic thinking. Sociopath- a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience. It does not matter how many facts you show a sociopath they will always and forever find or create something to use as evidence to sustain their false belief and the last resort is usually a religious defense. People should be aware that they really do not have a conscience and act only on a survival instinct. Their pack mentality is not social it is survival oriented.
BrynJune 18, 2015 1:11 pm
so how do explain all the other countries who reached the same conclution but nope you look to the to 3 % rupert murdoch thanks you for your service
BrynJune 18, 2015 1:10 pm
yet 97% of scientists say not however because you are unwilling to accept you are wrong you grasp for straws
Common SenseJune 18, 2015 1:05 pm
The difference is the speed at which that melting occurred. Yes slow melting over many thousands of years has happened in history as a result of volcanic and natural CO2 release but we are seeing rapid melting in less than 100 years that can only be caused by man made CO2.
BrynJune 18, 2015 1:01 pm
so nasa got it wrong? no they didnt
SayWhatJune 18, 2015 12:56 pm
"you are not allowed to challenge the global warming Gods!" Yes you are, just be prepared for the barrage of hate from the tolerant Left.
SayWhatJune 18, 2015 12:54 pm
Ray, how about you leave the discussions to the adults.
BillJune 18, 2015 12:18 pm
This article was written about you and you didn't realize it.
William BrewerJune 18, 2015 11:32 am
Can I survey the scientists to find out how many of them are aware that the polar caps have melted before...pre-humanity? Can I get them to explain how that occurred, if man is the driver of climate change? (logic would dictate that if man CAUSES climate change, if you remove man, you stop climate change....cause-effect, remove the cause, there is no effect)
terk819June 18, 2015 11:15 am
Climate change/global warming, are code for redistribution of American wealth.
Bob WaldropJune 18, 2015 11:13 am
How Catholics can respond to Laudato Si! A Catholic Worker approach. http://www.justpeace.org/laudato.pdf
BarryWoodsJune 18, 2015 11:04 am
How many actually attended, relying on organisers figures (for any event) is usually not the most reliable guide.. I haven't seen any pictures with more than a couple of hundred (tops) of people. A 1000 would be a decent turn out, but 9,000 seems very optimistic
BarryWoodsJune 18, 2015 8:58 am
I've yet to see a photo of more than a hundred people... Where does the 9,000 come from
NoLemmingJune 18, 2015 8:03 am
Oh ye doctors, lawyers, hypocrites! Ye heap unto yourselves teachers, having itching ears. Ever learning, but never coming to a knowledge of the truth.
dalJune 18, 2015 8:00 am
I'll tell you who is low of facts and that is the warmers, they have never looked at the data. I have and they are the liars.
Ray FischerJune 18, 2015 7:46 am
The reason that teanuts think that they're smart is because Fox tells them so and they're very gullible. When it comes to actual facts they're wrong about almost everything.
NoLemmingJune 18, 2015 7:38 am
That is a hallmark of leftists...accuse conservatives of doing the very thing they themselves are guilty of. They claim 97% consensus on human-caused global warming. 97% of the barnyard animals also followed Foxy Loxy into his lair.
Michael CurtisJune 18, 2015 5:56 am
And yet both poles are reporting record ice this year, greenland the home of the "receding glaciers" is reporting a record snow. i guess the planet forgot to believe in global warming.
HighSnidesJune 18, 2015 5:41 am
This was not a survey of knowledge. It was a survey of how much you agree with the global warming zealots.
cupera1June 18, 2015 5:23 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html The young people that have no knowledge of history or science are the ones that are falling for this new scam. The older people that are skeptical of the current man made global warming theory is they lived through the last time that a collection of con men/consensus of scientist that claimed the man was causing the earth to cool and a new Ice Age was coming. This latest group of scam artists advocates are proposing the same kind of restrictions on personal freedoms and life styles that they pushed back in the 1970’s. In just this year there will be children graduating High School that have never experienced any Global Warming in their lives. When you forget history you are doomed to repeat it.
grrretchenJune 18, 2015 5:07 am
This is a poorly written article. What is the author trying to say in the following statement? "Measurements show it has shrunk and seven out of ten respondents gave that answer. That topped 80% among Democrats fell as low as 40% for Tea Party supporters." And what are glaciers and sea ice supposed to have in common in this statement? "To a multiple choice question on what will most affect sea level, people of all parties were similarly (un)likely to answer correctly. Only 30% identified Greenland and Antarctic land ice as having a bigger impact than Arctic sea ice or glaciers." Glaciers? Arctic glaciers? Does he mean icebergs? or glaciers? Wouldn't glacier melt on Greenland and the Antarctic have an effect on sea level rise? And then this statement is more opinion and theory than fact: "Then pollsters invited people to speculate on how much a warming Arctic would impact weather where they lived. Democrats were notably more likely than Tea Partiers to say it would have “major effects”, with Republicans in the middle." How much warming? Define "major effect." What is meant by "where they lived"?Will an artic that warms 0.1 degree F in the summer have a major effect on a Tea party member living in Alice Springs Australia? How is he supposed to answer that question? The author would have would have done us a better service if he had simply copied the wording of the questions so we could draw our own conclusions on the answers or any bias in the formulation of those questions.
Black LionJune 18, 2015 4:55 am
Taxed Enough Already is a movement, not a party.
Bill Of RightsJune 18, 2015 4:51 am
Tea partiers are very proud of their stupidity.
WakeJune 18, 2015 4:49 am
"A study of polling data shows"?????? That is perhaps the most meaningless phrase it is possible to print. NOAA was misrepresenting temp/CO2 data purposely to make it appear that levels of CO2 caused MGT to follow. When the EXACT opposite is the case. NASA is presently misrepresenting temperature changes over the last century under the pretense that they can in some manner match their infrared photography that they have only been recording since 2002 to past temperature data recorded and generated at many sites around the world. Not only is this poppycock but there was NEVER any reason to do so. You cannot invent an entirely new method of calculating MGT and then invent an entire data set from no data at all. Whatever the polar ice caps are doing most assuredly is NOT connected to "man made global warming". Even NOAA admits that man has only added 0.1% to the total global CO2 load. The question is - how can an author that knows nothing about climate change tell us how we have it all wrong?
Independence_R_USJune 18, 2015 4:28 am
Ironically this has little to do with the science & more to do about the narrative. It takes a scientist to interpret the data. Science tells us nothing. So one has to wonder what impetus there is for anyone to make up things. Surely billions of dollars, power, fame, etc wouldn't make folks do what ever to obtain it. Sadly these folks never show the real science that empirically shows man's responsible for the world end by tomorrow. They will make week linkage at best as to man's effects on climate. They will present reports stating they don't understand this or that. Yet somehow have irrefutable proof of man's killing the planet. For surely we can now believe them. Especially since all their prognostications have been wrong.
jgnJune 18, 2015 4:15 am
Sorry, I can't comment, you are not allowed to challenge the global warming Gods!
jgnJune 18, 2015 3:55 am
Nice to see you not allowing opposing views. kind of defeats the whole idea of making comments doesn't it? I will make sure to pass this along on all social media so they know that all you want is your opinion to be right and no one else can even challenge you. Well done liberal!
jgnJune 18, 2015 3:47 am
you know, with all of the global climate chicken little scientists and politicians, what I really would like to know, is since they began trying to scare people using scientific terms and threatening the end of the world in the 1970s with the ice age is coming, what predictions have actually come true? I will give you a hint, not one! And the way you can tell this is a farce is by just watching how the terms change and how they describe going from cold in the 70s to heat now. Scientists and liberal politicians and writers can try and call anyone who doesn't believe them ignorant, but when you see scientists change data because it wasn't working out for them, or changing from global cooling to global warming to climate change you know they are only in it for the politics and money! I will believe these liars when I start seeing the temps get over 100 degrees more than 90 days a year, because if you look back in time, look at temps as far back as you can you will see it hasn't changed and it is not going to change, maybe a little year to year, cooler one, warmer another, but what they are calling the end of time if we don't quit doing this or that is a bunch of crap! Oh I forgot, the models said so, well I think the "Price is Right" models make predictions much better than the climate scientist models!
jim_robertJune 18, 2015 3:44 am
I am a Canadian who hikes a lot in the Canadian Rockies. Early pictures from the area vs. today show much glacier recession, at least for some glaciers, such as Bow Glacier, which is the source of the Bow River. The hiking book Classic Hikes in the Canadian Rockies shows this glacier around 1900. If you go there today, the same glacier is much, much receded. BUT here is the rub. The same anti-science types, who think science is determined by “consensus” (of which there is none, not even close) rather than **experimentation and hypothesis testing**, unthinkingly look at this and make utterly unwarranted conclusions. The fact of the matter is that there was something called the Little Ice Age (LIA) the nadir of which was the early 1800s. The simple fact is that this was one of the coldest periods since the Ice Age, and we are still emerging from this. THAT, mon ami, is why the Bow Glacier – and its sisters – have receded: we are still emerging from that LIA. This is why, according to the Archeological Survey of Canada, the tree line was 100 km. NORTH of where it is today during the MWP (Medieval Warm Period, which was preceded by the similar Roman Warm Period. Incidentally, that emergence from the Little Ice Age has stopped over the past dozen years – there has been ZERO global warming since 1998, which now even the co-opted IPCC admits, as did Phil Jones at Hadley , the lead global warmer – until ClimateGate forced him to resign (and you’ll notice the leftists and Agenda 21 scamsters hope you’ll forget Climategate… along with Lois LernerGate More evidence. Kegwins’ study in Nature on marine radioistopes shows that we are, today, still BELOW the 3,000 year average. If you google “Dr. Tim Ball+picea glauca” or go to http://drtimball.com/2012/sensationalist-and-distorted-climate-stories-increase-as-climate-science-failures-exposed/ you will find a white spruce stump on the coast Canada’s Arctic Ocean, dated about 5,000 years ago, and NOWHERE near today’s treeline. Of course, no one on the left has the intellectual honesty to address any of this. The reality is that the left, the BIG GREEN MONEY, and the Agenda 21 types want to control energy, which allows them to control everything that touches, which is… well, everything. I get so utterly SICK of the ignorant left and their global warming scam. And so does John Coleman, founder of the Weather Channel. Just go to YouTube and search for John Coleman plus global warming. Hint. He uses the word "scam."
azharleyJune 18, 2015 3:41 am
soo, in layman's terms, The teaiban are knuckle-dragging morons? shocker
jim_robertJune 18, 2015 3:40 am
The left's war against science: Another point Al Gore missed re. the forcing mechanism: Oswald Bergman wrote Oct. 23, 2006 about the self-limiting nature of global warming, outlining the Stefan-Boltzman law (see also Wien’s law). Think the leftist journalist who wouldn't know a slide rule from a piece of toilet paper knows what this is? Of course not. But let's help our ignorant leftists, shall we? The law of blackbody radiation says that energy, or E, which is emitted from from a body with a temperature, or T, is proportional to the fourth power of the temperature, or E=oT4 . What does this mean? Since the average in-radiation from the sun at any specific location at the same time of year is pretty much a constant, “any heating due to a greenhouse effect would be expected to reach a self-limiting equilibrium very quickly after only a modest rise in temperature. The reason is that ‘out-radiation’ will overpower the greenhouse effect after a very small temperature rise because of the enormous countervailing effect of the Stefan-Boltzman law.” I’ll bet you won’t see this fact anywhere, anytime, in the popular media. In a similar vein, Dr. Richard Lindzen of MIT notes “studies rarely consider that the impact of carbon on temperature goes down—not up—the more carbon accumulates in the atmosphere. Even if emissions were the sole cause of the recent temperature rise—a dubious proposition—future increases wouldn't be as steep as the climb in emissions” and cites another fact: he believes clouds and water vapor will counteract greenhouse emissions. Dr. Fred Singer, states about water vapor in the Aug., 2007 edition of Imprimus: “…it is quite possible that the water vapor feedback is negative rather than positive and thereby reduces the effect of CO2.” Singer notes this could be done several possible ways: if CO2 increases warming of the ocean there could be a higher rate of evaporation, leading to more cloudiness and humidity. The resulting low clouds would then reflect incoming solar radiation back into space, thus cooling the earth. It appears even the water vapor issue is, uh, cloudy, and in any event, any way you cut it, examples like these illustrate the self-regulating nature of earth, within a broad range, which is seen throughout the ages, again and again.
jim_robertJune 18, 2015 3:35 am
This article high on ignorance, low on intelligence. The evidence? From peer reviewed scientists - a LOT of them - on the BIG GREEN MONEY scam: “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.” Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist. “The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet. “The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico “It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA. “Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ. “After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review. “For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden. “Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee. “Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh. “Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles. “CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan. “The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. “Climate is not responding to greenhouse gases in the way we thought it might. If increasing carbon dioxide is in fact increasing climate change, its impact is smaller than natural variation.”Prof Christopher de Freitas, of the University of Auckland, NZ said there was no evidence to suggest carbon dioxide was the major driver of climate change (see http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8039) “I appreciate the opportunity to add my name to those who disagree that global warming is man made,” John Theon wrote to the Minority Office at the Environment and Public Works Committee on January 15, 2009. “I was, in effect, Hansen’s supervisor because I had to justify his funding, allocate his resources, and evaluate his results,” Theon is former Chief of the Climate Processes Research Program at NASA Headquarters and former Chief of the Atmospheric Dynamics & Radiation Branch. Mr. Theon also noted in a Jan. 28, 2008 report that computer models used to determine future climate are not scientific, in part, because researchers resist “making their work transparent so that it can be replicated independently by other scientists.” This violates a fundamental tenet of the scientific principle. J. Scott Armstrong, founder of the “International Journal of Forecasting,” confirmed Theon’s statement, noting, "The computer models underpinning the work of many scientific institutions concerned with global warming are fundamentally flawed,” and Theon and Armstrong both noted the 1995 IPPC report contained only opinions, no scientific forecasts, and revealed an audit of the procedures used to come to their conclusion "clearly violated 72 scientific principles of forecasting," with the forecasts following this one simply again repeating the same procedural errors. (Apparently, it was not only the French nobility of the 1700s of whom it might be said “they learned nothing, and they forgot nothing.)” “Unfortunately, climate science has become political science…: “It is tragic that some perhaps well-meaning but politically motivated scientists who should know better have whipped up a global frenzy about a phenomenon which is statistically questionable at best.”” Award-winning Princeton physicist Dr. Robert Austin, member of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, speaking to Senate minority staff March 2, 2009. Dr. Anastasios Tsonis of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee said the global temperature “has flattened and is actually going down. We are seeing a new shift toward cooler temperatures that will last for probably about three decades.” “The recent ‘panic’ to control GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions and billions of dollars being dedicated for the task has me deeply concerned that the U.S. and other countries are spending precious global funds to stop global warming, when it is primarily being driven by natural forcing mechanisms.” - Dr. Diane Douglas, a climatologist who has worked for the Department of Energy “I am appalled at the state of discord in the field of climate science . . . There is no observational evidence that the addition of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions have caused any temperature perturbations in the atmosphere.” — Award-winning atmospheric scientist Dr. George T. Wolff, a former member of the EPA’s Science Advisory Board who served on a committee of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration “The sky is not burning, and to claim that it is amounts to journalistic malpractice . . . The press only promotes the global warming alarmists and ignores or minimizes those of us who are skeptical.” — Dr. Mark L. Campbell, a professor of chemistry at the U.S. Naval Academy. “The cause of these global changes is fundamentally due to the sun and its effect on the Earth as it moves about in its orbit, not from man-made activities.” — Retired NASA atmospheric scientist Dr. William W. Vaughan, recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Medal “The most recent global warming that began in 1977 is over, and the Earth has entered a new phase of global cooling." Don Easterbrook, professor of geology at Western Washington University in Bellingham, He also notes a switch in Pacific Ocean currents "assures about three decades of global cooling. New solar data showing unusual absence of sun spots and changes in the sun’s magnetic field suggest ... the present episode of global cooling may be more severe than the cooling of 1945 to 1977.” Climatologist Joe D’Aleo of the International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project, says new data "show that in five of the last seven decades since World War II, including this one, global temperatures have cooled while carbon dioxide has continued to rise….The data suggest cooling not warming in Earth's future." Other scientists, for whom I do not have quotes, but who feel that global warming doubtful enough to have spoken at 2009 International Conference on Climate Change: Syun Akasofu, U. of Alaska, Fairbanks, J. Scott Armstrong, U. of Pennsylvania, Dennis Avery, Hudson Inst., Joseph L. Bast, Heartland Inst., Robert Bradley, Inst. for Energy Research, Yoron Brock, Ayn Rand Inst., Frank Clemente, Penn State Univ., William Cotton, Colorado State Univ., Jo D’Aleo, Int’l Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project, David Douglas, Univ. of Rochester, Terry Dunleavy, In’tl Science Climate Coalition, Myron Ebell, Competitive Enterprise Inst., Christopher Essex, Univ. of Western Ontario, David Evans, Science Speak (scientific modeling company), Michael Foss, Univ. of Texas, Fred Goldberg, Royal School of Technology, Sweden, Laurence Gould, Univ. of Hartford, Kesten Green, Univ. of Connecticut, Craig Idso, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Richard Keen, Univ. of Colorado, William Kininmonth, former head of the Australian National Climate Centre, Craig Loehle, Nat’l Council for Air and Stream Improvement, Antony Lupo, U. of Missouri, Ross McKitrick, U. of Guelph, Canada, Kevin Murphy, U. of Chicago, Joanne Nova, Author, the Skeptics Handbook, Jim O’Brien, Florida State, Benny Peiser, Liverpool John Moores University, UK., ,Tom Segalstad, Univ. of Oslo, Norway, George Taylor, Oregon State Univ., jan Veizer, U. of Ottawa, Canada, and Anthony Watts of www.surfacestations.org. About the only consensus I see is that the scientific community does not buy into Al Gore’s global warming circus. Czech President Vaclav Klaus, hero of the Czechoslovakian Velvet Revolution against communism, and whose country held the rotating presidency of the European Union in the past, stated “I don't think that there is any global warming,…I don't see the statistical data for that" and added "Environmentalism and the global warming alarmism is challenging our freedom…." Klaus also notes that, just like the communists under whom he was imprisoned, global warming alarmists won’t listen to the other side, and that the warmers really only have one goal in mind, stating It is evident that the environmentalists don't want to change the climate," he said. "They want to change our behavior...to control and manipulate us”… and adding that “The environmentalists speak about saving the planet. We have to ask -- From what? And from whom?" think I know [those answers] for sure. We have to save the planet, and us, from them." Klaus also noted that “there is no fixed and stable relationship between measured temperature and CO2 emissions, and that global warming politicians have “succeeded in creating incentives which led to the rise of a very powerful [profit] seeking group,” where “These people are interested in either temperature, CO2, competing scientific hypotheses and their testing, nor in freedom or markets. They are interested in their business and their profits – made with the help of politicians,” which profit is to be made by trading licenses to emit carbon dioxide and constructing unproductive alternative energy industries that can only generate electricity with a lot of tax dollar support. Finally, Lawrence Solomon, columnist for the Canadian National Post, has a collection of interviews with many of the world’s most prominent scientists who oppose global warming in The Deniers. Yet another scientist calling Gore’s bluff is Bob Carter, of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook Univ., Australia, who noted that “the northern temperature index attained its highest values in the early 15th C., and that the 20th C. warming cycle has so far only equaled the secondary warm peak that occurred late in the 15th C.” Carter does not pull his punches about Gore’s junk science: “The man is an embarrassment to U.S. science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science.” Further, as Dr. Philip Stott, professor of biogeography at Univ. of London, notes, in the scientific method does not progress by consensus, even if Gore had one, which he does not. For example, 100 years ago, 95% of scientists believed in eugenics, which is not the case today. Rather the scientific method advances by falsification and paradigm shifts. The Ph.Ds speaking out above are just a tiny fraction of the scientists speaking out against Al Gore and his global warming circus, as you will see below. Meanwhile, if Al Gore is claiming a “consensus,” why relatively few other Americans agree with him, as shown below from a poll reported in an April, 2009 Agora email? By Al Gore’s logic, if the below is true, shouldn’t be abandon global warming precisely because there is no consensus, as seen here?
FRANKOKJune 18, 2015 3:34 am
Refs. below - We the USA taxpayers pay $22 billion/year for global warming. Why? NOAA data shows warming is slowing over last 18 years even with large rise in CO2. It is mainly methane and water vapor and wonderful MAMA Nature and her cycles with her honey Mr. Sun, and with water vapor, oceans and volcanoes when she blows her top, and either opens methane holes or blows wind causing a polar vortex or dust storms when she has gas, all as her home the Earth tilts on its axis. See website for Lordmoncktonfoundation Refs. Search: “NOAA Scientists Can't Find The Heat, So They Start A Fire” Looks like a cooling trend - see plot in “antarctic-sea-ice-sets-new-high-in-may” “Isn't It About Time Climate Scientists Confessed?’ “Why I am a Climate Change Skeptic” “Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat” “study-climate-models-wrong-global-warming-slowed-natural-variability” “Duke University study looked at 1,000 years of temperature records“ “A Reagan approach to climate change“ “U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare” “Was 2014 the Warmest Year on Record? No, It Wasn’t” "Scientist Confesses: "Global Warming a $22 Billion Scam"" "Natural tilts in earth’s axis cause ice ages, says Harvard geophysicist" "republicans-to-investigate-climate-data-tampering-by-nasa" "Climate Alarmists Grasping at Icicles" "bad_news_for_warmists_sun_has_entered_weakest_solar_cycle_in_a_century" "scientists-balk-at-hottest-year-claims-we-are-arguing-over-the-significance-of-hundredths-of-a-degree-the-pause-continues"
LindaJune 18, 2015 3:26 am
Odd that so many activists who fear monger using inaccurate information are completely tolerated by the science and academic communities but anyone who even states some information that actually could be relevant is "shamed" as a denier or since the Pope has now weighed in on this topic, a heretic. Keep the politics and religion OUT OF IT! Use of both is a sign of an agenda rather than scientific knowledge or factual information.
kenJune 18, 2015 2:52 am
Thanks for printing the survey questions, You asked to come to the conclusion you have. Maybe it is you that has an agenda and are afraid to print them as to show that your agenda is as misleading as climate science..
WarrenJune 18, 2015 2:48 am
Your post contradicts the findings of NASA (as well as all the world's Science Academies, the IPCC, and all major universities). I'm going with the findings of Science.
Sunwyn RavenwoodJune 18, 2015 2:31 am
It has been established by other tests that intelligent people know their own limits clearly but that stupid people do not. When given purely factual tests intelligent people could tell how many questions they got tight. Stupid people almost always thought that they had answered more questions correctly than they did.
vanman54June 18, 2015 2:30 am
so it took the University of New Hampshire this long to figure out that the GOP/baggers are ignorant? all you have to do is look at KS and WI to figure that out.
DavidAppellJune 18, 2015 2:28 am
What value are you taking for CO2's cross section for infrared radiation, which, together with its atmospheric density, determines its ability to absorb IR?
SecularHumanist199June 18, 2015 2:26 am
Not really a surprise here. Tea partiers are typically confident in the veracity of their ignorant positions. No presentation of facts seems to be able to move them off their preconceived positions. I think part of it has to do with the religious nature of most tea baggers. If you are willing to believe religious dogma without any evidence to support it, you are more likely to believe what sources you trust tell you without having any need to try to verify the details of what they are saying. Some of the nonsensical positions I have heard from them are: 1. Climate change is all a scheme for scientists to get grant money (or to make Al Gore wealthy). They can't seem to realize that the real money is on the part of the status quo for fossil fuel, especially coal, companies. 2. Global temperatures haven't changed in 18 years. OK, anybody rational knows the source of this and how it doesn't change the trend, but they take it as if it disproves every other piece of evidence. 3. It's just the sun. 4. Plants need C02 so it isn't a problem, or CO2 doesn't cause warming. And these are some of their more almost sane sounding positions.
OrenJune 18, 2015 2:05 am
Media scores in the negative quantity on facts.
Herman MunsterJune 18, 2015 1:53 am
Lol....Where do you go to get unbiased global warming propaganda...RTCC of course!
johnmilnicJune 18, 2015 1:46 am
People need to do their own research and look up the facts instead of listening to politicians.
tmalthus2010June 18, 2015 1:34 am
That depends highly on what you call "facts".
Stan KulpJune 18, 2015 1:27 am
Now let's ask random people about why the two charts in Gore's video were not over laid if there really is a 'correlation' between temperature and CO2. How many could give the right answer about those two charts being from the ice core projects and showing that ever increase in atmospheric CO2 was caused by an increase in temp rather than the other way around. Then ask anyone if they know which frequencies of infrared radiation are absorbed by CO2. Bet there are no democrats that can tell us why this proves the IPCC is dead wrong. and how is the change in sea ice supposed to imply human-induced warming? the questions in this survey were useless as related to the topic of political BS warming
SSJWZJune 18, 2015 1:10 am
Oooooo, real researchers had a survey..... lol! Nobody buys the 'survey' angle anymore. Coulda surveyed the seagulls.
Mr. Outer LimitsJune 18, 2015 1:03 am
Any look at the message boards where there are climate deniers (who are also right wingers) will confirm this.
D. SelfJune 18, 2015 12:55 am
The sky is falling. Give 1/2 your money to the UN and this will save the planet from mankind. Yep, another Gruber move to deceive the stupid liberal sheep.
Jerome PadinJune 18, 2015 12:48 am
There is not much difference between the average democrat and republican, both are usually poorly educated and generally ignorant of anything not presented by the liberal media. Using the term "factual" when discussing climate change should be a violation of language use. Climate on this earth has been "changing"since time began and will, likely, continue to change long after man has disappeared from the globe. For any sane person to claim than man has any significant effect on the climate is a fool with an ego much, much larger than the obese ignoramus Al Gore. Man lacks the ability to even accurately predict the weather a day in advance yet academics with little real knowledge and zero factual evidence claim they can predict what will happen a few hundred years in the future. Heaven help civilization from the predictions of paid academics pretending to be scientists
Mr. Outer LimitsJune 18, 2015 12:42 am
The Heartland Institute = denier hacks with zero credibility.
Graywolf12June 18, 2015 12:24 am
No prejudice in this. Right wingers and TEA party (TEA Baggers) vs. democrats. Taken I 1 state. Wow, it has real reliability. NOT
Steve TomolJune 18, 2015 12:21 am
What one calls fact another calls ideology and vice versa. So until one or the other is proven correct. neither is a sure thing.
IowantwoJune 18, 2015 12:16 am
Sea ice over the last 30 years is no measure of ACGCC (anthropological catastrophic global climate change. So the survey exposes its ideology from the beginning. I ask all the time and never get an answer. What is the test to falsify the theory? Whithout the test there is no theory and no science.
Jim Herbst@JWRHerbstJune 18, 2015 12:13 am
It's not so bad that we get subjected to our daily dose of 'the sky is falling' articles and blogs. The bad thing is all the non intellectuals who actually believe humans are causing this. It would be funny if it wasn't so blatantly ignorant and utterly non proven. As for the real reason for climate change (the severity and frequency of solar storms, the uptick in worldwide volcanic activity and the shifting of the Earth's magnetic field) how do liberal progressive scientists expect to control solar flares, volcanoes and the shifting magnetic field? By taking our money? They can't even get their numbers straight on their own science for crying out loud.
ppiaseckJune 18, 2015 12:08 am
RTCC and Megan Darby ignore Satellite observations of the lower atmosphere that measure every cubic inch of the earth everyday that have shown there has not been any statistically significant warming for the last 18 plus years, instead they rely upon an outdated patch of monitoring stations and buoys with thermometers that cannot even measure hundredths of a degree or give global averages, hell you can travel thousands of kilometers without finding any, so scientist have to make up data to fill the voids. why do they ignore these scientific observations?
Taylor OllmannJune 17, 2015 11:59 pm
The trouble with the world is not that people know too little, but that they know so many things that ain't so. Mark Twain
mothman1967 .June 17, 2015 11:57 pm
DO NOT MISS LAST LINE! It’s a good thing we have newspapers to report information we would not have known if it weren't for them. THE WASHINGTON POST: The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelt which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable. I must apologize; I neglected to mention that this report was from NOVEMBER 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post –almost 93 YEARS AGO.
mothman1967 .June 17, 2015 11:54 pm
If the Henny Penny Climate Theorists followed normal scientific methods, the entire issue would have been tossed out the window long ago. But, they don't - and the media loves publishing every pseudo-scientific political story they can stick on a page. Why do we not hear more about the debunked Henny Penny claims - such as the "97% of scientists agree... - lie. Global warming alarmist John Cook, founder of the misleadingly named blog site Skeptical Science, published a paper with several other global warming alarmists claiming they reviewed nearly 12,000 abstracts of studies published in the peer-reviewed climate literature. Cook reported that he and his colleagues found that 97 percent of the papers that expressed a position on human-caused global warming “endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.” The question Cook and his alarmist colleagues surveyed was simply whether humans have caused SOME global warming. The question is meaningless regarding the global warming debate because most skeptics as well as most alarmists believe humans have caused some global warming. The issue of contention dividing alarmists and skeptics is whether humans are causing global warming of such negative severity as to constitute a crisis demanding concerted action. Either through idiocy, ignorance, or both, global warming alarmists and the liberal media have been reporting that the Cook study shows a 97 percent consensus that humans are causing a global warming crisis. However, that was clearly not the question surveyed. Actually, there are far more skeptics in the scientific community than the politically driven Henny Pennyists - or their supporting media - want to be wiely known.
JamesJune 17, 2015 11:53 pm
0utright lies. GW/CC is a lie. The 'knowledge' this article speaks of is a lie. The fact that tea party Republicans don't believe your lies is the real meat of this article.
BuggerthatJune 17, 2015 11:42 pm
This is a surprise? A common characteristic among Tea Party people is that their reality is shaped by their ideology.
gizmochimpJune 17, 2015 11:35 pm
Is this a big surprise? They have a 1st grade understanding of science but have the nerve to think they know better than NASA, NOAA, and the world's climate scientists.
James ThomasJune 17, 2015 11:33 pm
Obviously we need to elect a republican - or better still a T-partier - so God will stop Global Warming and Same Sex Marriage in their tracks. Now wasn't that simple?
FredJune 17, 2015 11:29 pm
So this result is supposed to surprise anyone.
day2knightJune 17, 2015 11:29 pm
"Among Tea Party supporters, 61% said they had “moderate” or “great” understanding of climate change but scored low on a factual test." This is known as the Dunning-Kreuger Effect.
Dan LinzerJune 17, 2015 11:28 pm
If you get your "facts" from Fox news you really are not getting facts!!
PhillyEricJune 17, 2015 11:26 pm
I tend to believe that the evidence supports man-made climate change, but this study is obviously biased to make the other side look uninformed. While Arctic sea ice is shrinking, Antarctic sea is is expanding. My guess is that those on the left would be more likely to correctly call the Arctic sea ice shrinkage, and the right more like to call the Antarctic shrinkage. It appears that the researchers only asked about the Arctic, so it is not surprising that Tea Partiers would do worse.
Michael HJune 17, 2015 11:25 pm
I know RTCC will delete this as they are very biased and one sided. I would like to state this for anyone who does read it; you will see in the end when the truth finally comes out just who is right. This is a money grab. I pity those who do not see this.
bruce lancasterJune 17, 2015 11:24 pm
Global warming cultists are so strange. Wasting electricity causing millions of tonnes of coal to be burned spreading their cultist nonsense on the internet... their leaders traveling via private jet and luxury SUV spewing extraordinary amounts of carbon... their spokesmen burning through astonishing amounts of resources with their hundreds of thousands of watts of studio lighting, their billions of watts broadcasting and repeating, and their trillions of watts wasted on the screens and speakers they spread their cultism through. The most gluttonous wasters of our resources scream that you should believe and demand we stop consuming... while they waste and waste and waste and wallow in their gluttonous, hedonistic, ways.... Disgusting. You wasteful cultists make me sick
Rudi MentoryJune 17, 2015 11:21 pm
Try and understand this: maybe the climate is changing and maybe it isn't, we poor conservatives just believe that the climate has changed before and will change again as a NATURAL cycle and not because of human intervention.
Snoot MagruderJune 17, 2015 11:17 pm
Liberal "facts" are not facts at all, they're lies in "fact"
brooklynbummerJune 17, 2015 11:15 pm
Seems like the TEA Party followers are composed of people who think with their heart instead of their head. They seem to be living in a world that no one else sees. I think that the people who belong to the TEA Party are the same kind of fools who would have followed and adored Hitler, listening and believing lies that fit their own strange world.
SchmidlackJune 17, 2015 11:14 pm
Let's just cut to the chase. Humans evolved with fear in our DNA. It is why we got this far. That fear is on a continuum, meaning some of us have more than others. It fully accounts for what differentiates everyone on the political spectrum. And the more you have, the further right on the political spectrum. It should be obvious. And at some point going out to the right, that fear begins to look like symptoms of paranoia. One of the most common of those symptoms is the sense that someone is out to get you - as in government. That is reason for denial of AGW, it has nothing to do with the science. Conservatives just make stuff up about the science when evidence gets in the way over irrational beliefs. There, now everyone knows.
Black LionJune 17, 2015 11:12 pm
Can you name a Tea Party candidate? There is not one because it is not a real party but only and invention of the left like the fake war on women. It simply means Taxed Enough Already. If you are taxed enough already then you might want to support a conservative. If you are not, then you probably don't work and are on numberous social programs where those that work for a living are supporting you in part or complelly.
BuddhaJune 17, 2015 11:07 pm
I'm shocked, shocked I say, that Americans who most strongly express a belief that runs totally contrary to the scientific consensus reached over decades of research through the scientific process and rigorous peer review, are the ones who are the most clueless about even the simplest facts on basic geography, the difference between sea-ice and land-ice, etc. and probably barely made it out of high-school chemistry, eye-roll.
jeff BJune 17, 2015 10:58 pm
Tea party, rarely right but never in doubt.
Robert JohnsonJune 17, 2015 10:56 pm
So when you have in your artical "right wingers" one would think you would have a few more brains IF your trying to convince anybody. So did you ask any of the leftist idiots that agree with you those questions? sure you'll say you did! just like all the other lies you people tell trying to push this s**t! You want proof? heres your proof, how many times have we see n these talk show people go out and ask people questions and even show them pictures? Show those idiots a pic of obozo and 98% would say its Chris Rock! and on and on! and you dip stick lying pieces of s**t want us to believe you found people that know what the "f" you're talking about? BULLS**T I SAYS! BULLS**T!
forensicsdocJune 17, 2015 10:53 pm
Who is setting up these stupid left wing websites? And more importantly, how did it wind up on my news feed?
darthusurpusJune 17, 2015 10:49 pm
Not a word on the breakdown of survey participants. So, for all we know, it could have consisted of 20% Tea Party supporters & 80% registered Democrats. In other words, this "survey" is about as scientific as the "science" behind AGW. And that has been the problem with those who are warning us of the dangers of man-made climate change, since the beginning -they can't prove their hypothesis, so they have to make up "science" to give their claims credibility.
Heard_It_All_BeforeJune 17, 2015 10:45 pm
There are those will allow their ideology to trump reality every time. No one has found an answer to this problem yet.
NM TaxJune 17, 2015 10:36 pm
In other news, the sky is blue and water is wet.
mikehaselerJune 17, 2015 6:50 pm
Oh great another group of people trying to push up fuel prices to increase the 1million people who have died in the colder months during this climate scam in the UK. http://scottishsceptic.co.uk/2015/04/01/the-silent-holocaust-of-1million-climate-victims-in-the-uk/ And another group of people trying to reduce the CO2 levels that by contributing to record harvests worldwide have done more than this pope to feed the poor. And another group ignoring the fact that according to the Satellite data we've not seen any warming in 18 years, and not a single temperature dataset shows even the lowest predicted warming of 0.14C/decade asserted by the IPCC in 2001.
WarrenJune 17, 2015 6:31 pm
Have you read the NASA link I provided? NASA, the IPCC, and all Scientific Institutions on the planet say the same about the issue.. Read the Science and understand
Robin_GuenierJune 17, 2015 6:03 pm
I wasn't aware of that, Geoff - interesting. But there's is quite a lot of evidence that China takes a very different view of AGW from that of the West. For example, Ding Zhongli, Vice President of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (described as “the final word on climate science for the Chinese Communist Party”), has observed that a significant relationship between temperature and CO2 “lacks reliable evidence in science”: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/14/china-imprints-all-over-copenhagen-talks-fiasco/?page=all
Robin_GuenierJune 17, 2015 5:44 pm
Yes I agree the addition of the words 'in the light of different national circumstances' is interesting. But they would probably be used by China to support its continuing status as a developing country (referring to your structural challenges) - just as the US would probably use them to mean precisely the opposite. Tricky. But then negotiating with the Chinese is always tricky - as I know from tough experience. I fear I have to agree with you that China is most unlikely to accept a new status as a developed country. And plainly India will not - nor should they. Together with their insistence that the terms of the Convention must continue to apply this means that there is essentially zero chance that Paris will meet, for example, Kofi Annan's recent demand that 'Governments have to conclude a fair, universal and binding climate agreement, by which every country commits to reducing emissions of greenhouse gases. … It is important that developed and developing countries cut emissions.' (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/03/kofi-annan-interview-climate-change-paris-summit-sceptics )
Climate HomeJune 17, 2015 4:54 pm
I guess it depends what indicators you use. GDP/Per capita CO2. Then yes - I'd agree. The World Bank rates it as Upper Middle Income. But you still have huge structural challenges... poverty, education, infrastructure that you could use to argue the other way. What was interesting in Lima was the way that the US & China agreed that instead of old differences countries would also be rated "in light of different national circumstances", which many read as a fundamental shift. So there's a chink of light there, albeit a small one. And I don't see China agreeing to change from being developed to developing ahead of Paris ;)
Climate HomeJune 17, 2015 4:53 pm
Good spot. I have clarified the text
geoff ChambersJune 17, 2015 11:17 am
Those who believe that China can be cajoled into cutting CO2 emissions really should take a look at what the Chinese scientific establishment thinks of western climate science. See for example: http://www.21bcr.com/a/shiye/yuwai/2010/0907/1563.html whose title 曲棍球杆曲线”丑闻 translates as “Bad smell of the ball game stick” - you get the idea. The article has been widely distributed in China, (4000 hits on Google) and though it's in Chinese, a quick perusal of the names in English and the embedded video will demonstrate that it does not conform to the scientific consensus as understood in the west.
Marc MJune 16, 2015 7:19 pm
Kickstarter?
RHO1953June 16, 2015 6:37 pm
So another of the liberal elites who is a conspicuous consumer of everything is telling us little folks we need to be controlled. Are all democrats crazy?
John HarrisJune 16, 2015 5:31 pm
The lower oil prices are not the problem. The country was experiencing shortages while the prices were over the top. It's the management dummy.
Robert CoeJune 16, 2015 1:29 pm
Why is Algae being ignored as a replacement for fossil crude? It's net carbon zero and exceptionally abundant. We have the technology to harvest it. http://www.slideshare.net/RobertMCoe/cpcsms3-46112583
Seabrook the MagnificentJune 16, 2015 12:02 pm
One thing is certain. One thing can be counted on. Happy Hank Paulson has a plan to make money out of the deal. He will either take a short position on coastal real estate, or some other position to benefit from global warming. I simply cannot get over the enormous money he trumpeted making when he purchased Lehman Bros. stock for 7.5 cents on the dollar. That the gentleman could not see this as the terrible breach of ethics it was, means he has no clue as to what the term "ethics" means. Let me spell it out - a sitting Secretary of the Treasury has no business profiting from the demise of a competitor of his alma mater. But then again, this is the guy who tried to get Congress to vest the Office of Treasury Secretary with absolute economic power, subject to no outside oversight. Hank should have, rightfully, been born a king, instead of just another American.
TimJune 16, 2015 7:00 am
Ah yes, the evil conspiracy widens further! The situation's now become so bad that every scientific organisation on earth's on board. Shockingly comprehensive.
Terry OldbergJune 16, 2015 4:58 am
Though these folks claim we have to curb the increasing level of carbon dioxide, a scientific basis for their view is absent. Climate change "science" is pseudoscientific.
Engineer66June 15, 2015 11:18 pm
What's a "sceptic"?...
disqus_9Ks26zso4FJune 15, 2015 10:35 pm
My previous post is based, solely, on my opinion and I have no data to support it. Therefore, there is no need to ask for such data.
disqus_9Ks26zso4FJune 15, 2015 10:32 pm
I suspect we will find out if the world's efforts to harness and control the climate affects the economy. My thought is the effort will be fruitless because you cannot control the climate any more than you can control the weather. Although, I suspect the weather might be managed on a small scale, some time in the future. Natural forces will win out over time. The climate will change, as it always has, and there is little, if anything, we can do about it.
FurriJune 15, 2015 9:46 pm
Someone needs to ask her if her pants suit is air-conditioned.
NickJune 15, 2015 9:44 pm
"Many Republican candidates used the defence of not being an expert when asked about their views.." Then they should express no opinion regarding economics, medicine, or any other field in which they are not an expert. Yet politicians generally advocate in matters in which they are not experts. It is very unwise not to take a stand on this very critical issue. Republicans need to step up and advocate for action to mitigate the climate change threats. If they don't, then they can kiss the next election good-bye, and we'll continue to get liberal judicial activists appointed to federal court positions.
RedJune 15, 2015 9:41 pm
Who doesn't back growth of solar, wind and other green energies? The problem is that democrates want to turn it into a tax scheme.
FurriJune 15, 2015 9:34 pm
She thinks its cold in Hawaii hence the never ending pants suit. Just look at the photo above. I wonder how many carbon credits each one of her suits cost?
FurriJune 15, 2015 8:11 pm
"Just take the coastal areas, the East Coast. We’re going to see significant sea level rise and storm surges." Thats utter BS. The only damage anywhere is places that were artificially built up and not taken care of. Secondly, if it's so important why is a tax needed? To make cars cleaner we added a catalytic convertor which didn't require a tax on all things in life. This is a ploy by rich people to get in on another .com type explosion.
rusty57June 15, 2015 7:36 pm
Paulsen was a lousy Treasury Sec and an even worse climate advocate. Go away!
mojoJune 15, 2015 7:07 pm
Clearly these bureaucrats have little science education. If they bothered to look at the infrared absorption of CO2 they will observe that it is not a very effective greenhouse gas. Water vapor is far more abundant in the atmosphere, and is an effective greenhouse gas as observed on a hot humid summer night. Increased CO2 has a negligible impact because the water vapor is absorbing all of the infrared.
PV MaroJune 15, 2015 7:07 pm
Exactly how are these brilliant minds going to stop the climate from changing? They are trying to prevent disasters that [1] were never going to happen anyway or [2] were going to happen anyway. They lied to us on peak oil, and they're lying to us now.
ErnestJune 15, 2015 6:58 pm
Let's assume that the seas rise and the coastal areas are severely impacted and are essentially destroyed. What the Climate Change frauds want us to believe is that this is the economic end. No it is not. There would be a tremendous impact in the early years but then, as the dust, or the sea, settles, the money will just move on. Nothing really gets lost, it just moves somewhere else. Of course we don't want to allow this to happen, but the idea that we can really impact Climate Change is not something I believe is possible even if, and it is unlikely, that this round of the planet's Climate Change is permanent or can be re-directed. When it comes to Nature, Nature is the boss and nothing is permanent. Man's track record in trying to manage Nature is dismal. And you can bet that any of the currently proposed solutions to "Climate Change" are nothing more than a political con job to make money. Let's do some real Science, get some real answers, and get some intelligent, provable direction. Scare tactics is OK for the Media and the Politicians, but they don't solve anything.
Nick697June 15, 2015 6:54 pm
"The issue of climate change is foremost in our minds at NORTHCOM. We’re going to have more intense, more frequent and more dramatic events caused by weather on large populations, large geographic areas than we’ve had in the past." General Jacoby. Dear General: Better stick to your war games play station. Memo: Earth's climate is always changing, and has always changes - naturally. Man has no more influence on it than he does on the tides. . "We’re going to have more intense, more frequent and more dramatic events caused by weather on large populations, large geographic areas than we’ve had in the past. Adm. Titley [stop giggling in the back, there.] Dear Admiral: Even Obama’s own National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) says droughts and floods have no connection to global warming. But we’ve been here before. Hurricane Sandy was made the poster child for the alleged increased frequency and strength of “extreme weather events” like hurricanes. Nonsense. Sandy wasn’t even a hurricane when it hit the U.S. (just a storm). Indeed, in all of 2012, only a single hurricane made U.S. landfall. And 2013 saw the fewest Atlantic hurricanes in 30 years. In fact, in the lasthalf-century, one-third fewer major hurricanes have hit the U.S. than in the previous half-century. . Similarly tornadoes. Every time one hits, the climate-change commentary begins. Yet last year saw the fewest in a quarter-century. And the last 30 years -- of presumed global warming -- has seen a 30 percent decrease in extreme tornado activity (F3 and above) versus the previous 30 years. It mocks the very notion of settled science, which is nothing but a crude attempt to silence critics and delegitimize debate. As does the term “denier” -- an echo of Holocaust denial, contemptibly suggesting the malevolent rejection of an established historical truth. “Climate change poses a massive threat to the world. It’s a huge economic risk, and like any other major economic risk and I think this is the biggest the planet faces, climate change deserves to be understood and managed as the risk it is. Just take the coastal areas, the East Coast. We’re going to see significant sea level rise and storm surges. If we don’t act we’re going to have billions of dollars of real estate property literally underwater.” Dear Mr. Paulson: The reason for the billions of dollars in damage from Sandy was that people persist on building, and rebuilding, on a barrier island, and when wind and tide combine to form a "perfect storm," the results are predictable. . It's nothing to do with rising sea levels, and storm surges have existed as long as the Earth has existed. The National Flood Relief Program, which is paid from the taxes of everyone, 99.999% of whom don't have million-dollar beachfront properties, pays the ones who do to rebuild. And rebuild. In the same place.
Les KuzykJune 15, 2015 6:44 pm
Excellent information but I'd double check those numbers. Graph shows last 30 years, not 40, as other source (Global Footprint Network) shows a downturn in the early 80s also with that global economic downturn.
BillJune 15, 2015 6:36 pm
The first step in addressing any problem is admitting that their is a problem and that it must be addressed. After that, it's just figuring out how best to address it. Right now there are people who are paying millions to cloud the waters on if their is a problem or not. Hopefully this WC program will help.
VestiasJune 15, 2015 6:34 pm
Global warming threatens life as we know it Happy Sustainability 2015
Charles TeryJune 15, 2015 6:32 pm
Warren the Earth 12,000 to 8,000 years ago had a Global Mean Temp in the 70s or 8 degrees C warmer than today. Between 8,000 and 1,000 years ago the GMT was 3 degrees C warmer than today. Why are you so hysterical.
Charles TeryJune 15, 2015 6:31 pm
Warren since we live in the second coolest period of the current Inter-Glacial. I would say there is no impact if the temp increases.
thejames2020June 15, 2015 3:29 pm
People don't buy the Pope's view on abortion and birth control so why should the climate change scam be any different...
WarrenJune 15, 2015 3:19 pm
If you want to understand the expected impacts of future temperature rise from AGW, peruse the NASA website link I provided.
WarrenJune 15, 2015 2:08 pm
The problems are not serious so far, but serious problems are expected by the year 2100, when avg global temperatures are projected to increase another 5.6F and temperature increases over land will be higher --up to 10+F in northern latitudes.
PygmalionJune 15, 2015 2:06 pm
The Catholic Church siding with political dogma against science - It's a centuries-old tradition.
socalpaJune 15, 2015 10:47 am
How is this going to work ? - China at 29% global emissions now (per BBC) - U.S at 15 % global emissions . - Chinas emissions Now exceed U.S by nearly 100% . - So U.S could go to Zero emissions with Zero Climate Effect . (assuming there even is one) - Anybody else notice this ?
Robin_GuenierJune 15, 2015 10:21 am
Ed: it’s certainly true that China’s planned announcement on 17th June will, as you say, be ‘critical’ to the pre-Paris process. But – contrary to the impression given by this report – the evidence we have so far indicates that, far from having ‘plans to slash emissions’, China is unlikely to announce any greenhouse gas cuts. All we’ve heard to date is that China ‘intends’ (no promise, commitment, pledge or decree) that its emissions should ‘peak’ (not be reduced or ‘slashed’) in about 15 years time. And, if your report is accurate, that will be reaffirmed on the 17th. Not very encouraging I suggest. Moreover Li Keqiang, by his insistence that ‘developed countries must take the lead’, emphasises a belief that China must continue to be classified as a developing country. Yet China, by far the world’s greatest GHG emitter (more than the US and EU combined), is the most heavily industrialised country on earth with per capita emissions on a par with those of the EU: so it's a classification that no longer makes any sense. And, because it threatens any serious hope of a satisfactory outcome in Paris, it’s a matter of the utmost importance. BTW, according to the just published ‘Statistical Review of World Energy’ (http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/about-bp/energy-economics/statistical-review-of-world-energy.html ) China’s coal consumption did not, as you claim, fall last year but increased – albeit by only 0.1%. As for that LSE study, you will (I hope) have noted my comment here: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/06/08/china-could-hit-emissions-peak-by-2025-study/ Robin
DanilinhoJune 14, 2015 6:33 pm
The only 'ambitious' thing that the government of bosnia has planned is to go from 43% unemployment that its at now to 100%, then they can reduce all emissions.
Tom RadeckiJune 14, 2015 3:06 pm
94 million people! How did an impoverished country let its population grow to such an unsustainable level. It's carbon reduction plan is very laudable, but depends upon a $7 billion annual subsidy from other countries to pay 93% of the cost. I know that the Republican U.S. Congress is extremely unlikely to agree to contribute to any UN subsidy fund. Ethiopia's plan looks like a lot of wishful thinking and sets COP21 up for failure in December. We all need to go carbon neutral ASAP. A world carbon (CO2e) tax to fund renewable energy development in all countries on a per capita basis might be a good idea, but I am sure it wouldn't pass. It would punish the big polluters, discourage fossil fuel development in places like India, and probably be the most cost-effective way to lower CO2e. The future for human and animal life on Earth looks grim. Obviously, most life will survive, but the climate-induced human and animal fatalities I fear will be huge this century and the next, mainly due to starvation as is occurring right now in California to fish and other wild animal populations. I expect well over 1 billion humans to die of starvation this century. We all need to go carbon neutral as soon as humanly possible. Many humans can afford to go carbon neutral this year, but won't thanks to their greed for unnecessary consumption and refusal to pay a little more for clean energy. Junk your fossil fuel vehicle, use fans not AC, put up your solar panels, no beef or dairy, go inexpensive vegan if possible, no air travel, vacation locally, etc.
Robin_GuenierJune 13, 2015 8:08 am
Ed: China's continuing classification as a developing country is probably the principal obstacle to a meaningful outcome at Paris. Therefore it's a matter of the utmost importance. It seems to me - see my earlier post - that it's a classification that no longer makes any sense. But you disagree. Why? I look forward to your reply to this key question. Thanks. Robin
graysouthonJune 13, 2015 1:15 am
You seem to assume that burning fossil fuels is the only answer. Why? The UNFCCC is asking developed countries to provide techn ology and finance to enable their energy to be provided with renewables. It remains to be see if they have the sense to cooperate.
EmigreeJune 12, 2015 7:12 pm
"The Heartland Institute said Francis was doing “his flock a disservice” for campaigning on the issue, while White House hopeful Rick Santorum said he should stick to theology." Fortunately, Pope Francis is an excellent theologian (see, among many examples, the Aparecida Document of the Latin American Bishop's Conference of 2007), and thus vastly more qualified to offer his views and ideas for further reflection and action than the likes of the Heartland Institute and Rick Santorum, who, in espousing very bad theology, occupies himself with very bad policy and the nefarious desire to foist it on this free nation. History tells plenty horror stories of bad theologians who came to political power (just two examples: the former seminarian Ossip Dugashwili, known as Josef Stalin, and ISIS). We need none of this here. It's already bad enough with so called "Christians" (whether Catholic, Epicopalian, Evangelical, and whatever other persuasions) who dream of an American Theocracy. They are so preoccupied with being "good" and "righteous" Christians, and turn their country into a "god fearing, good christian nation", that they forget to be real Christians - which is, and has been, said by Pope Francis on numerous occasions, and is likely to be said again in the forthcoming Encyclical. Pope Francis is doing his flock a great service. Why? Because the vehement opposition coming from these critics well before the Encyclical's appearance lead to the conclusion of only one thing: their fear of being called out as what they indeed are, deceivers and false prophets who have nothing in common with the Gospel, wolves in sheep's fur against whom to warn is the Pope's most important task as the shepherd of his flock (which actually includes Rick Santorum and, I assume, some of those working at the Heartland Institute).
EmigreeJune 12, 2015 6:56 pm
I am sure the impact will be more than major on those who, pocketed by their industrial donors, represent Climate Change Denial and obstruction in Congress. That's first and foremost you, James Inhofe. Will you throw snow balls at Pope Francis when he speaks to Congress in September? You would have to travel way, way north to find some good snow, and may not even get there as the ice is too thin or altogether gone.
kasuJune 12, 2015 3:54 pm
Reminds me: a group of politicians from Ethiopia visited a country in the west with a developed democracy and having returned home, some of them tried to mimicry the practices they saw. One of them was making a speech to his constituency on an idea such that if got elected he will do this and that... and then included in his rant he will also quickly build bridges and so forth. Alarmed, one of the audience exclaimed bridge you said? There's no river here, what are you talking about? The clever fool then replied I will also make sure we have one! [some grin]
Megersa BosheJune 12, 2015 2:04 pm
Ethiopia has great potential and commitment in realizing green economy. I hope the country will be the home of good climate by 2025, even now it has suitable climate.
Hani MesfinJune 12, 2015 11:35 am
Dear Kcy2014, This might change your life and your fellowship. Please do not put us on the air! We know what you are saying for. If UN takes as priority this issue in Ethiopia, really we can say there is no professional doing for the sake of its profession. Please go to each village and asses the life of people. Do not ask the so called "government Cadres" as we have sufficient experience on what the cadres say beginning from the derg regime.
Hani MesfinJune 12, 2015 11:21 am
This plan is not only ambitious, but also paradox to reality in the country. Is there any one who have got a chance to see the "so called 2nd phase Growth and development Plan"? How does reduction of carbon emission is applicable to this extent having a plan to boost these all industries in the country? Does each industry zone is going to release oxygen please?
k962June 12, 2015 11:20 am
Equating Climate change to "moral law" is without precedent! The Church is losing Priests at an alarming rate and the Pope worries about Climate?
johnJune 11, 2015 10:02 pm
Does that include Air Force one that he and Michelle frequently fly free?
Fine ThenJune 11, 2015 9:50 pm
Successfully vilified the auto industry, then the power companies, now on to aviation and who knows where from there. I'm not against improving emissions and efficiency, but titles like the one on this article only hurt the cause.
Jim Herbst@JWRHerbstJune 11, 2015 9:48 pm
Oh okay, now it's the airline's fault.
OrenJune 11, 2015 8:46 pm
Waste of time and effort for all involved. Just tax everybody to death and get it over with politicians.
rusty57June 11, 2015 8:26 pm
Why don't we make all climate change alarmists fly coach instead.
Charles TeryJune 11, 2015 7:34 pm
You think that is a big enough increase to be hysterical over.
TesfayJune 11, 2015 6:41 pm
what about the plan Dr Girma, in my side it is ambition and the money it needs to invest very huge (7.5 billion per), do you believe it will success our plan?? DO believe to implement REDD+ project near future in the country?
Girma G (Dr.)June 11, 2015 11:44 am
what is the world thinking and real practice on climate?
Girma G (Dr.)June 11, 2015 11:40 am
Yes, Ethiopia concerned on climate pollution and work climate friendly energy sources. This is true Ethiopian commitment to neutralize carob impact on the climate.
Robin_GuenierJune 11, 2015 9:15 am
New coal-fired power plants are planned for China, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, Pakistan, South Africa, Poland, Turkey and elsewhere – plants that are very likely still to be operating by 2050. That doesn't sound much like "the beginning of the end of the fossil fuel era".
kcy2014June 11, 2015 7:25 am
This changes everything!
JimmyPJune 11, 2015 5:37 am
Now I see why there are 0 comments
JimmyPJune 11, 2015 5:34 am
OIC.......a dissenting opinion will not be shown.......LOL
JimmyPJune 11, 2015 5:32 am
But of Course, only Europe and the US will make the most sacrifices and pay the highest costs. The Third World is still trying to come out of poverty. They aren't concerned about Global Warming. Liberals are crazy If Liberals think that Canada will shut down their Oil Sands they are wrong. Japan has switched to oil products because they aren't going back to Nuclear. Bon Appetite
WarrenJune 10, 2015 10:20 pm
There is no question that there are plenty of technological solutions to reduce GHG emissions. The issue is a political question as you imply-- and that requires the will of the people to support legislation for a carbon tax, or other policy solutions.
Al HopferJune 10, 2015 8:57 pm
Keeping in mind that nature introduces much more new CO2 then does fossil fuel burning. What the science is claiming;; that of the 9G tons humans put in the atmosphere annually, nature can only clean an additional 5G tons leaving 4G tons to accumulate. The serious argument is the 4 remaining tons can not be calculated or measured or even estimated. What science is doing, instead, is saying they know no other way for the CO2 to be increasing except for industrialization. That is not proof but it is part of the scientific method to put out there a theory for what is being observed and see what the rest of the scientific community thinks. The rub is that BIG science has a financial reason to blame humans. But reality is, the agreement on AGW is just a vote not proof. The fly in the ointment is that the other part of the scientific process, [ discussion of the unknowns ] - called - Uncertainty - has been deliberately dismissed and replaced with opinion. Mostly scientific-political-opinion, certainly investment-opinion and of course the all powerful and worse condition - the Liberal-Media-Opinion. In decades ahead this Liberal Media bias will be much worse than any thing GW could achieve.
BruceJune 10, 2015 6:30 pm
Canada should not tax its citizens for this folly.
Robin_GuenierJune 10, 2015 5:58 pm
No useful conclusions can be drawn from this "survey": in concept, design, methodology and conduct it was hopelessly flawed. (As the founding chairman of a specialist healthcare-related survey business (http://www.medixglobal.com/index.html ), I believe I can claim some understanding of such matters.)
Robin_GuenierJune 10, 2015 4:31 pm
This is amusing: http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2015/06/09/the-future-isnt-ours-to-dictate/
Robin_GuenierJune 10, 2015 4:30 pm
Re the above, "a call to decarbonise the G7 economies by 2050" should have gone on to say "might be included".
Robin_GuenierJune 10, 2015 4:17 pm
It must surely be obvious by now that China has no intention of being forced or cajoled into any level of binding cuts - rigorous or otherwise. And remember China is responsible for more emissions than the US and EU combined. That's why the Paris COP will fail. Or at least will fail to meet the requirements of for example Greenpeace (http://www.greenpeace.org/international/Global/international/briefings/climate/COP19/Greenpeace-Road-to-Paris.pdf ), the DECC (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/360596/hmg_paris_2015.pdf ), Kofi Annan (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/03/kofi-annan-interview-climate-change-paris-summit-sceptics ) and the G7 (https://www.g7germany.de/Content/DE/_Anlagen/G8_G20/2015-06-08-g7-abschluss-eng.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=5 ). The killer fact is that, as you say, China - notwithstanding the efforts of the US and EU - is still classed as a developing country. But, given that it is the most heavily industrialised country on earth with per capita emissions on a par with those of the EU, why is that a classification "with good reason"? PS: Chinese data should be treated with great suspicion. I can provide the evidence if you wish.
PantpurlaisJune 10, 2015 3:47 pm
"It is high time that Canada lived up to its potential as a climate leader." Perhaps this should read: "It is high time that Canada stopped getting in the way of countries that are climate leaders"! I don't understand Japan. It is sitting on a massive amount of geothermal energy, and it is a leader in solar technology. It has huge onshore and offshore wind energy potential. It also has a number of other potential energy sources in the oceans around Japan. One is the kinetic energy of waves from its 34,000 km of coastlines. A 2010 report on wave-power generation by a panel of the Tokyo Metropolitan Government estimated that "at least 300 million to 400 million kilowatts of electricity could be generated by wave power". Another estimate shows that within the range of 30 km from the coastlines, at a depth of 100 meters, there are potential energy sources equivalent to more than 10 nuclear power plants. With the enormously expensive clean-up of Fukushima on its hands, Japan can see the errors of the way of fossil fuels, so why isn't it putting every effort into clean energy technologies? Why is Japan standing (like Canada) in the way of progress?
Climate HomeJune 10, 2015 3:32 pm
Sure, but as you well know China is still classed (with good reason) as a developing country - thus in whatever circumstance it's not going to be forced or cajoled into the same rigorous level of binding cuts as the US, EU etc. The study is LSE, you're right, but I spoke to one of the authors and it includes Chinese data + analysis. That doesn't make it right but it's a useful guide. ed
Sylvain StyletJune 10, 2015 2:07 pm
desert kingdom ? You clearly ignore the diversity of the country .
BuggerthatJune 10, 2015 12:25 pm
People need to accept that politicians are incapable of dealing with the problem and other means will be necessary. Vanuatu has a good idea, they are hauling the fossil fuel industry into court for damages. That is a start. People that think they can negotiate and compromise just don't get it.
BuggerthatJune 10, 2015 12:48 am
Cool. I hope they can set a precedent.
PatrickJune 10, 2015 12:32 am
Japan asked G7 to open war against China and shut down AIIB, but nobody gave a damn~~
waseemJune 9, 2015 2:04 pm
Still the coal power generation in Pakistan will be less than 10%, so not much to worry about.
Robin_GuenierJune 9, 2015 8:28 am
Well, 'campaigners' may have hailed the statement but it turns out to be pretty meaningless: the official statement calls vaguely for decarbonisation 'over the course of this century'. Yet only yesterday RTCC reported that for example a call to decarbonise the G7 economies by 2050: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/06/08/g7-poised-for-historic-call-to-phase-out-fossil-fuel-emissions/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter. But that was dropped - almost certainly under pressure from Canada and Japan. To make matters worse the Guardian had an article yesterday (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/08/five-g7-nations-increased-their-coal-use-over-a-five-year-period-research-shows ) about an Oxfam study showing that five of the G7 countries have increased their coal use over the last five years 'and are planning to further increase construction of coal-fired power stations'. Not such 'a strong signal' perhaps.
Hakim-BENARIJune 9, 2015 2:15 am
That's a good news from our loved the kingdom of Morocco
RajSJune 9, 2015 1:13 am
How many 'sensitive and diverse ecosystems' did the white man rip through while colonizing the Americas, Africa and Australia ?
John SpessardJune 9, 2015 12:13 am
Alarmist cite the surface data. Skeptics cite the satellite data. Which data is better? Well land on earth covers 30% of the planet. To measure the surface temps over the other 70%, scientists estimate those temps. The actual thermometer readings can't be used because these temperature readings are known to be wrong. So do they mathematically process the surface temp data in a process known as "homogenization". And the kicker is they can neither prove whether the "homogenized" data is good or not. And that isn't very scientific. The satellite data is the best we have. And the satellite data since Dec 1996 shows the skeptics may be right. From Dec 1996 onward the RSS satellite shows 18.5 years of temp flat-ling. The UAH satellite shows a dull 1.2 degree temp increase per 100 years. Global warming? Without the mathematically doctored land temp data no one would be paying attention to man-made global warming...
Tom RadeckiJune 8, 2015 11:44 pm
Kyoto was in 1990 and was supposed to save the Earth. It was certainly more ambitious than Paris looks to be. But so far, the only thing that has slowed the growth of emissions was a worldwide recession. Maybe, we should pray for another one. Emissions have grown by over 60% since 1990 and, if anything, have been actually accelerating, definitely not slowing. Europe plays tricks with exporting its polluting industry and agriculture while massively clear cutting forests in the U.S. for wood pellets, and having a sham price on carbon. China is still building new coal power plants in Pakistan and elsewhere. Australia and Canada are working very hard to increase coal and tar sands exports. Norway is eager to drill the Arctic, while the U.S. is happy to let the UK's Shell get started. Germany loves its brown coal. It looks like all talk and no action to me. Scientists have said that we have already crossed the tipping points for 20 feet of sea level rise and the extinction of coral. The 2C goal is already unreachable in the opinion of the large majority of climate scientists, because governments are just not taking this seriously. If the permafrost and clathrates melt significantly, we could easily see 4C-5C warming by 2100. The last 10 days have been the warmest 10-day period in recorded global history, probably thanks to an El Nino finally kicking in. Maybe science can save us. Certainly, politicians have a very miserable and immoral record of repeated failures. I thought it cute that the UK's former energy secretary is now the European chief of the campaign to chop down American forests to burn in European power plants even though the whole scheme is both costly and more dirty than coal.
Joe PublicJune 8, 2015 6:48 pm
Or, the headline could be "China could miss emissions peak by 2030" – according to a White House statement: "President Xi Jinping of China announced targets to peak CO2 emissions around 2030, with the intention to try to peak early .. " An intention to 'try' is not meaningful, is it? https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/11/fact-sheet-us-china-joint-announcement-climate-change-and-clean-energy-c
Joe PublicJune 8, 2015 4:20 pm
Actually, China could miss emissions peak by 2030 – White House press release: "President Xi Jinping of China announced targets to peak CO2 emissions around 2030, with the intention to try to peak early," https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/11/fact-sheet-us-china-joint-announcement-climate-change-and-clean-energy-c
tim gibsonJune 8, 2015 2:49 pm
You need a "backbone"
Paul MatthewsJune 8, 2015 1:13 pm
"government decreed deadline of 2030"? What decreed deadline? All they have said is that they aim for an emissions peak around 2030.
Alice BothaJune 8, 2015 10:28 am
We can utalize wind and solar power and many other much cheaper forms of gas
Robin_GuenierJune 8, 2015 8:40 am
Come on, Ed, this is desperate stuff. We’re constantly told that CO2 emissions must be radically reduced (“slashed’ is the word commonly used) if global catastrophe is to be averted. Yet all we’ve heard from China, by far the world’s greatest emitter (more than the US and EU combined), is that it ‘intends’ (no promise, commitment or decree) that its emissions would ‘peak’ (not be reduced or ‘slashed’) in about 15 years time. And now there’s a lot of excitement (it's a top BBC story for example – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33040965 ) about, not a new statement from the Chinese politburo, but a London School of Economics study suggesting that the peak ‘could’ happen a few years earlier. And even that’s subject to another ‘could’: it ‘could depend on how ambitious the next Five Year Plan was in terms of energy use’. Australia, Canada, Russia and Japan are regularly criticised for what are seen as inadequate reduction policies: e.g. http://www.rtcc.org/2015/06/05/kofi-annan-slates-climate-inaction-from-canada-australia-and-russia. It would be easier to take this seriously if China (with per capita emissions on a par with the EU’s) were treated in the same way.
Laís VerzenhassiJune 7, 2015 11:25 pm
I live in São Paulo and I was not affected by the water crises, but I think that Brazilian Government has been doing nothing to solve that situation and preverve other generations. São Paulo's governement has been knowing that a water crisis could happend since 2000, at least, and nothing has been done.I fear about that,cause Brazil have good scientists, researches and means to solve the enviromental issue, but the politicians dont care about it at all.
CJ CroninJune 7, 2015 11:03 pm
It is a practical solution, Warren, because 'practical' leads to practical outcomes. Not destroying our environment is the height of practicality. The human mind is endlessly creative and we abound with ideas for alternative energy sources that are completely clean and can be achieved right now. The only thing stopping us is the lack of political will. It's that our democratic system is faulted. It is a paradox but politicians will not lead us away from this danger because their campaigns are funded by the fossil fuel industries or those associated with them. So they subsidize fossil fuels to the tune of billions each year knowing it will produce more CO2 and yet pretend to the green energy industries that they are onside to 'go green'. If they don't play this two-faced game, they are right, they will be voted out. Hence the lack of leadership, hence the fault in democracy. Leaving this all to market forces is just plain stupid. If you were to type into the youtube search engine 'alternative forms of energy' you will see there is no end to 'practical' forms of green energy we can convert to immediately. Here is just one example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStFvcz9Or4 But money talks, and eventually, when enough people divest the banks of their investments in fossil fuels the politicians will suddenly grow backbones and stop subsidizing dirty fossil fuels. The superannuation funds that you are fond of are already starting this movement. Norway, the entire country, just moved $8.1 billion dollars in super investments away from fossil fuels. Although just a beginning, it is a practical solution, and your own superannuation fund could consider it as a practical alternative. Stay with fossil fuels and you are on a sinking ship. If I had a lot of money in a super fund (which I do not) I would be campaigning vigorously for them to get out of fossil fuels before it is too late.
Calamity_JeanJune 7, 2015 9:56 pm
Hurray for Balcombe! In addition to the solar farm, they should try to help finance rooftop solar whenever residents have their roofs repaired.
Paul M RaupJune 7, 2015 5:54 pm
So the fate of the world will come down to whether or not every country will be honest, open and aboveboard ? I see a few problems here...........
Mark BucklinJune 7, 2015 4:07 pm
Twin goals are needed because of the fundamental differences between fossil and terrestrial cycles, (CO2 released from fossil fuels is a permanent emission, whereas sequestration from land and forests is reversible), Huh? So a CO2 molecule released from the burning of fossil fuel is different than a CO2 molecule released by decaying plant life? And it's permanent, not just a long half-life? What am i missing here?
FlyovermanJune 7, 2015 1:41 pm
Climate "Science" has become an exercise is attempting to sell the world on the belief that you can jam a round peg into a square hole. They will omit, double count, manipulate and outright lie to morph data to fit their pre-defined "result."
WolfJune 7, 2015 9:47 am
Why would we hold a international conference on Climate Change (formerly Global Warming) when the cooling and warming cycles of Earth have been occurring for thousands of years and no temperature is outside of the ranges that have occurred previously. Add to this all the fraud that has been committed by the Public Sector Syndicate in order to promote this hoax in order to plunder more taxpayer wealth. It shows the utter crime and corruption of the Public Sector Syndicate around the World as they attempt to further enrich themselves by their corruption.
Gen Eral RichhJune 7, 2015 6:54 am
... in the first place better reduce wastage and consumption ... also try to reduce the world population by half within 100-years through birth rate control of 1 or 2 is just nice enough... the primitive mindset of conquering the world and your enemies by shear numbers is long out of date ... a nuclear holocaust can wipe out millions instantly ... leaving billions to perish within that year ... of course unless we can migrate to other planets by the billions soon ... the current consumption required 4-Earths to sustain ...
Leo FietsreizigerJune 6, 2015 11:18 pm
This whole thing would be a lot easer if only a small number of countries would unite and would lead the way. To think that all countries would agree all at once is ridiculous.
bruce lancasterJune 6, 2015 10:24 pm
Global warming cultists are so strange. Wasting electricity causing millions of tonnes of coal to be burned spreading their cultist nonsense on the internet... their leaders traveling via private jet and luxury SUV spewing extraordinary amounts of carbon... their spokesmen burning through astonishing amounts of resources with their hundreds of thousands of watts of studio lighting, their billions of watts broadcasting and repeating, and their trillions of watts wasted on the screens and speakers they spread their cultism through. The most gluttonous wasters of our resources scream that you should believe and demand we stop consuming... while they waste and waste and waste and wallow in their gluttonous, hedonistic, ways.... Disgusting. You wasteful cultists make me sick
g_sorosJune 6, 2015 9:25 pm
Coal is the cheapest form of energy. If third world nations want to escape poverty it is better to build something useful or to provide a useful service than it is to wait for a hand out. Nobody on this planet is owed anything by being born.
WarrenJune 6, 2015 5:21 pm
Global avg temperature has risen 1.4F since about 1880: http://climate.nasa.gov/
richard schlinderJune 6, 2015 4:24 pm
The answer is trees.Nicaragua is experiencing water shortages because of the extensive cutting of trees in past decades. I own a 74 acre mountain in Costa Rica. Most of it is covered with natural growth trees.There are three year round springs on the mountain that supply all the water I will ever need. If I cut those trees,I will lose my water. It's that simple.
Roland RieseJune 6, 2015 10:08 am
Well, well there is not one week going past where somebody finds another excuse that CO2 is heating up the planet. It makes me just very suspicious and reminds me on governments of some countries past and present that are hellbent on twisting the truth.
DavidAppellJune 6, 2015 1:16 am
In fact, a doubling of CO2 concentrations, from 3 molecules per 10000 to 6, has a large influence on climate. Study the "Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum."
raw915June 6, 2015 12:07 am
Who's listening? The population of Asia is about 63% of the world's population; the combined population of China and India is 3.2 billion; and the concentration of coal-fired electrical power plants in much of Asia is higher than anywhere else in the world. The atmospheric CO2 concentration measured in Hawaii in the middle of the Pacific ocean thousands of miles from Asia is 400 parts per million. With the high concentration of power plants in China and India, the atmospheric CO2 over India may be much higher than 400 ppm, and that may be why India has been experiencing 125°F temperature extremes these past years. And that should be a forewarning of what's to come for much of the world when CO2 concentration measured in Hawaii in the middle of the Pacific ocean thousands of miles from Asia is 500 parts per million.
DerekJune 5, 2015 11:19 pm
It is not only these four nations who are reluctant; the reason why there will not be a meaningful deal is that China and India will not agree to reduce their emissions.
raw915June 5, 2015 10:57 pm
No one is listening. Measurements of atmospheric CO2 were initiated at Mauna Loa Observatory in 1958. At that time atmospheric CO2 was approximately 315 parts per million (ppm). Since then atmospheric CO2 has been increasing at an increasing rate, and that rate of increase has approximately doubled since 1958. Now, 57 years later, atmospheric CO2 is above 400 ppm, and there is no indication that the rate of change is declining. The way things are going now, the rate of change in atmospheric CO2 ppm definitely will not go negative, and it most likely never will until too late. One quarter of the world's population, about 1.75 billion people, still have no electricity. More people in India are without electricity than the entire population of the United States. According to the Guardian in 2012, about 1200 new coal-fired electric power plants were planned in 59 countries, three quarters of them in China and India alone. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/nov/20/coal-plants-world-resources-institute China is bringing a new 600 MW power plant on line every ten days, year round. This added release of billions more tons of CO2 will only further increase the rate of increase in atmospheric CO2. Many of these new coal-fired power plants are still using old technology, so emissions from them are even worse. One might consider this. The population of Asia in 2014 was about 4.43 billion, or about 63 percent of the world's population. The combined population of China and India alone is about 2.6 billion. To supply electricity to Asia's concentrated populations, the density of coal-fired power plants must be much greater than anywhere else on earth. These plants are emitting greenhouse gasses constantly, and doing so at higher rates per volume of air than anywhere else on earth. Considering that air currents do not move very rapidly across the earth, the CO2 concentrations across much of Asia is substantially higher than measured at Mauna Loa Observatory, which is in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, thousands of miles from Asia and any significant land mass. Thus China and India display their own micro climates with substantially higher atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, which is why weather extremes are so much more severe across much of Asia. This should be an awakening call to what is in store for the rest of the world as atmospheric CO2 hits 450 and then 500 ppm in the coming decades. The annual rate of increase in atmospheric CO2 today is around two ppm, and that could easily increase to three ppm in a couple decades at the rate we're going. So by 2050, which seems like a long way off, atmospheric CO2 could be at 500 ppm, which is considered beyond the recovery point. Few people mention the perils of methane gas, CH4, which has the potential to double or triple the effect of atmospheric greenhouse gases, causing a 5-7°C global temperature rise and a tremendous increase in ocean levels. Scientists refer to this as runaway greenhouse effect. Methane gas is locked up in the frozen tundra of Siberia, http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-methane-emissions-certain-to-trigger-warming-17374, but global warming is starting to thaw that tundra. No one knows how fast or how much of the tundra will thaw or how much of the estimated 400 gigatons of CH4 will be released. But CH4 in the atmosphere is much worse than CO2. Thawed tundra releases huge amounts of CO2 as well, adding even one more source of greenhouse gas. Unfortunately no one is listening.
VinceRJune 5, 2015 8:43 pm
$trillions the West spent on Africa in the past 50 years with no improvement to show for, except for nice suits worn by Kofi Annan.
ppiaseckJune 5, 2015 7:12 pm
According to Satellite and Balloon data the temperatures have been bouncing around 04 degrees from .18 to .22 above normal since 1995, not what is being reported here, and even NOAA state they have made adjustments, why do they keep making adjustments, to get the fear and scare they want........
obsinatepiperJune 5, 2015 7:10 pm
The "new data" from NOAA is really just the old data which has been "adjusted" and otherwise twisted to fit the pre-ordained narrative. Anybody who passes this off as science is just helping to portray the AGW crowd in a bad light.
Matt LengJune 5, 2015 6:57 pm
So they are increasing Temps because they had fewer stations and therefore need to make them comparable... so why are they not increasing the historical as well vs decreasing them...
rusty57June 5, 2015 6:52 pm
Making the data fit the theory. Again. Keep the carbon tax and energy poverty in the EU.
netprophetJune 5, 2015 6:48 pm
All you have to do is read the headline to know that this is a lie. Anytime someone makes the claim, "Scientists say" you know it is bogus. Scientists don't talk in unison; they often disagree wildly on many things and there is rarely "consensus". But it is the tactic of leftists, atheists and secularists to lie, cheat and steal to try to persuade people. All the satellite data sets show no warming for 18 plus years. It is the data that speaks not a bunch of NOAA political hacks.
socalpaJune 5, 2015 6:32 pm
Pause did not occur ? Egg on the face of top IPCC scientists like lead authors Fyfe and von Storch ? - No.. Clearly. The data did not fit the "modeled" tem rise so the Data had to "Go away". - Just like the Medieval Warm Period. had to "go away". - What a surprise ! A tax dependent Gov't organization produces an adjustment to data that challenges the need for......Carbon Taxes. - Ho ! Ho ! Ho ! - Next "surprise" ..Oil cos support laws that will eliminate coal as a competitor and force a switch to NG that They control ? - Ho ! Ho ! Ho ! No one is Fooled.
climatehawk1June 5, 2015 4:39 pm
Awesome headline, kudos to whoever is responsible.
GSeilJune 4, 2015 4:52 pm
The answer is ESOS (Energy Savings Opportunity Scheme). The UK is one of the first (if not the first) forerunners having established a mandatory process for obliging all economic entities above 250 people ro/and above 50 Million Euro turnover to undertake energy audits, evaluate total energy consumption, identify areas of significant energy consumption and prepare an energy efficiency/savings plan. If this process was effectively used in all EU countries then we probably could expect GHG to drop by at least 20%.
Bruce ParkerJune 4, 2015 1:32 pm
The goals are very laudable, but the possibility that most of the goals can be met by 2015 is laughable.
Allan BarrJune 3, 2015 10:49 pm
She is right, well said.
Allan BarrJune 3, 2015 10:48 pm
And you wonder why I no longer vote? If this is the caliber of people who they pick for us to vote for, then you have my vote. I chose not to vote.
RodJune 3, 2015 10:23 pm
How about all the politicians get of the religion business and stick to politics?
kamiyaJune 3, 2015 1:31 pm
thanks goodness, I feared for their existence once the wells ran dry
shahzadJune 3, 2015 11:11 am
If Pakistan go through it then its good, because these coal have to be used for some purpose and if it will be used then it will probably produce carbon pollution so why couldn't be used for electricity production which is the damn need of the country
JPJune 3, 2015 10:48 am
This is actually pretty thoughtful and reasonable without the usual disparage anybody who doesn't share your beliefs trope so common in climate change advocate circles. However, isn't there an embedded assumption about climate sensitivity to increased concentrations of carbon dioxide? Will this sensitivity remain constant at all levels? Is it possible that negative feedbacks would develop to mitigate the effects of CO2 concentration as it continues to increase? Also, while the temperatures continue to increase how large is this increase compared to the measurement error? While I suspect we are enjoying a reprieve that may very well end in a few years, I just don't get the sense that many advocates are even willing to admit that the warming has slowed and it's something of a puzzle.
Jens HvassJune 3, 2015 12:31 am
26% with 2013 as base year corresponds to just 18% over 1990 that is the internationally agreed base year. With that speed (18% in 40 years), Japan will be carbon neutral by 2212. Even if you accept 2013 as base year, the reduction rate of the 26% INDC is only 1.5% pr. year (compared to USA’s 2.8% per year and EU’s 2% per year). And almost half of it could be achieved just from switching on the now idle reactors. So Japan is up for some well deserved climate target mobbing.
Smarter than Your Average BearJune 2, 2015 11:47 pm
You can make it cheaper instantly by instituting carbon taxes that account for the real costs of carbon based energy, and by removing all carbon fuel subsidies.
T Todd ElvinsJune 2, 2015 9:07 pm
We know that oil companies have a fiduciary responsibility to their investors and shareholders to increase, or at least maintain, the value of the company. Could it be the case that the oil majors are planning to use carbon taxes as a rationale to devalue their companies and stranded assets; a reprieve from their fiduciary responsibility ?
Robin_GuenierJune 2, 2015 8:27 pm
In any case, although China may be 'under intense international scrutiny for its coal-fired power projects', it still (according to this report: http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/as-u-s-shutters-coal-plants-china-and-japan-are-building-them/ ) has 'plans to build massive amounts of coal-fired plants' and 'is building one coal-fired power plant every 7 to 10 days'. It doesn't seem that the intense scrutiny is having much effect.
SteveJune 2, 2015 12:53 pm
My question is what happens in say 10 years and the targets have been hit and the climate is still changing, the sun is still shining and maybe even the earth warms a bit more? These politicians have only one thing in mind and that is wealth transfer. I can guarantee you once they hit their targets they will just come up with more excuses to take more money from those countries that have it and give to those who don't. Is there anyone who is being held accountable for the money being spent? Oh come now, what a dumb question.
VestiasJune 2, 2015 10:26 am
Happy Sustainability 2015
Marushka FranceJune 2, 2015 10:14 am
We - every person in the industrialized world, can cut back on waste and energy use right NOW. and call your presidents and prime ministers to Support the French call for swift agreement... We should not waste time and we should not make 1.5C or 2.0C as the goal, we should STOP NOW -- CHANGE NOW Every purchase, every use of energy -- CHANGE, CONSERVE Change is in our hands first.
Charles TeryJune 1, 2015 9:01 pm
Warren do you know the Global Mean Temperature? Do you even know how much the temp has risen? Do you know over what time period the temp has increased??
Charles TeryJune 1, 2015 8:58 pm
Reginold can you give me the actual cyclical times of these??
Charles TeryJune 1, 2015 8:57 pm
Cold enough is when it snows and it does not melt for 30,000 to 40,000 thousand years.
keith hinkelJune 1, 2015 6:29 pm
No way Nat Gas is just as bad as coal for CO2, heavy metals, it has 1/5th the BTU heat as coal so much, much more is needed to make steam for electric, heating, cooking. The only way to "Go Green" is hydrogen fuel cells.
DudeJune 1, 2015 5:50 pm
Natural gas is most certainly a good bridge to alternatives. Our fracking boom here in the US is really just the beginning. Shale gas is available around the planet and many nations are now seeing the available resource. Certainly much has to be done to regulate fracking from establishing good drilling practices including the use of the least noxious materials during fracking, good testing and compliance reviews by qualified personnel (other than the drilling contractor) and cutting off all potential sources of leakage. Provided that these items can be accomplished, natural gas can have a very significant, long-lasting positive impact on many types of pollution.
JohnnyJune 1, 2015 3:29 pm
I don't believe this is anything to do with Climate mitigation. It's a plan to even the playing field between gas and the currently cheaper, coal pricing. The companies know that they cannot compete with coal without introducing carbon floor pricing.
DormaJune 1, 2015 9:10 am
Thanks, as long as we carry on burning resources and spreading 'greenwash' education as a solution, instead of reducing, reusing and recycling, the world's poorest will suffer disproportionately. Time to divest fake renewables and stop building incineration plants, wrongly named 'waste to energy' when they are actually a 'waste of energy' and highly polluting tinyurl.com/qg6bpfn tinyurl.com/opzh8ux www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304389409014563 tinyurl.com/lenelgd t.co/AqhmwqD4DJ eg Derby, Okhla etc etc
Leslie GrahamJune 1, 2015 5:11 am
Give it up guys - the RSS sattelite that you cherry-pick your laughable "no warming" nonsense from doesn't even measure surface temperatures. If you had a clue what you were talking about, you'd know that RSS and UAH both measure lower tropospheric temperatures. And in any case - the RSS data has been out of whack for years and is under-reporting warming - and you know it because even your favourite deniers Roy Spencer and his boss John Christy admit as much: "...Anyway, my UAH cohort and boss John Christy, who does the detailed matching between satellites, is pretty convinced that the RSS data is undergoing spurious cooling because RSS is still using the old NOAA-15 satellite which has a decaying orbit, to which they are then applying a diurnal cycle drift correction based upon a climate model, which does not quite match reality. We have not used NOAA-15 for trend information in years…we use the NASA Aqua AMSU, since that satellite carries extra fuel to maintain a precise orbit...." 2014 is the hottest year since the Holocene Climatic Optimum some 5,000 years ago and 0.11C hotter than 18 years ago and yet we still see this ridiculous 'no warming' nonsense. Just thirty seconds checking the data at NOAA, NASA or HadCRUT will show the warming has continued and now 2014 has set yet another new global temperature surface record beating both previous records of 2010 and 2005 and smashing 1998. The denier's legerdemain of selecting the failing RSS sattelite atmospheric column-temps only graph and then cherry picking the very peak temperature month of the Super El Nino year of 1998 as the start point for a statisticaly meaningless time period.,.... I mean really? Really?! Do you really seriously believe that the bulk of the world's people are so moronic they are going to fall for THAT! It's just insulting. Apart from it being an obvious and transparant attempt to deceive both 2005 and 2010 were hotter than even the peak month of the Super El Nino year. And now, as I already pointed out, 2014 is the hottest year on record on all four major data sets and, according to the 75+ 'hockey sticks' that have now been produced, the hottest for at least 5,000 years...possibly hottest since the Eemian interglacial over 105,000 years ago. And that's WITHOUT a major El Nino so far. If one does develop later this year - still possible - then 2015 will be much hotter still. But, of course, as they did last year, and the year before, and every year we see a new global record high temperature the gullible dupes will continue to ignore reality and continue to put their fingers in their ears and chant - all together now - "no warming - no warming - no warming - no warming - no warming - no warming". God, it's so pathetic
Leslie GrahamJune 1, 2015 5:04 am
"Always accuse your opponents of what you yourself are doing." Joseph Goebbels. Nazi minister for propaganda. And yes - the science regarding the radiative properties of CO2 IS settled and has been settled since around 1896. If you have evidence to the contrary please show it and stop making a complete fool of yourself in public.
Leslie GrahamJune 1, 2015 5:00 am
LOL: You know, now that the effects of climate change are an obvious everyday reality all over the world the last-of-the-deniers are becoming increasingly hysterical and, frankly, insane. It's easy to tell where you get your 'information' from and it certainly isn't from science papers or data sources. Your ridiculous conspiracy drivel has been falsified a thousand times already. But seeing as I'm always up for a good laugh - would you care to explain why the Arctic ice is at it's lowest recorded extent levels right now? How did the ice know to melt just when the climate scientists told it to? Same goes for the Antarctic. The sea ice extent down there has been growing (just as projected in 1991) as the melting of the land ice has increased five-fold in ten years and poured 362Gigatons of fresh water onto the sea surface. How did this ice get in on your conspiracy. Do tell.
Leslie GrahamJune 1, 2015 4:54 am
LOL Can I interest you in a supply of tin-foil hats sir?
Leslie GrahamJune 1, 2015 4:50 am
Carefull what you wish for. There is now 6% more moisture in the atmosphere than there was just 50 years ago. The rain is unlikely to come in soft refreshing showers. You are more likely to see 10 inches in a day like we are already seeing in Texas. And by the way - 2000 years ago the Earth was 0.4C to 0.6C COOLER than it is today. I don't know where on Earth you got that 5C+ from but it's not just wrong it's absurd. It was warmer in the north Atlantic basin and north west Europe and it was possible for the Romans to grow grapes in England - (though nothing like the extent they are grown there today) but in other parts of the world it was much cooler. For example in vast swathes of central Asia it was up to 2C cooler. This of course dragged the global average down.
Leslie GrahamJune 1, 2015 4:43 am
No - for the last 8,000 years - from the peak of the Holocene Climatic Optimum until the industrial revolution - the global temperature had been slowly falling. So no - no knew record high surface temperature records were set. http://www.realclimate.org/images//Marcott.png These only began from around 1900's onward as the increase in heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere began to kick in and over-ride all the natural forcings and reversed the enitre 8,000 years of slow cooling in less than 50 years. If you don't find these figures 'alarming' it's because you don't understand what it means for your future lifestyle. But [shrug] you soon will.
Leslie GrahamJune 1, 2015 4:37 am
What on Earth are you rambling on about? Do you even know yourself. This is a serious issue. There is already a weak El Nino and it is likely to grow to a moderate El Nino or even a stron El Nino. It is notoriously difficult to project as there are so many variables involved but if you took the trouble to spend say 20 minutes looking at the data (which is freely available online everywhere for free) you could make up your own mind as to how big it is likely to get. At the moment there are 6C temperature anomolies just 50M below the surface in the eastern Pacific off the coast of south America and the current EKW is being reinforced by regular WWB. This suggests at least a moderate El Nino will form. With the global surface temperature already at a new record high this will almost certainly lead to yet another spike in global surface temperature and the increase is likely to be at least 0.2C and possibly up to 0.5C. What is so difficult to understand about that? It sounds to me like you are being deliberately obtuse because you don't like the fact that the Earth is continuing to warm rapidly exactly as projected by climate science since 1896.
Leslie GrahamJune 1, 2015 4:30 am
Yeah - in a La Nina year. We've been really lucky this last ten years or so with the oceans taking up most of the extra heat thus slowing down the surface temperature rise.. Looks like our luck just ran out though as the oceans look to be venting some of that heat back into the atmoshere at the moment. The temperature map of the north east Pacific and the Gulf of Alaska is just insane right now. And that's seperate to the developing El Nino. All we can do now is hope it isn't a big one.
odin2May 31, 2015 3:12 pm
Well said.
odin2May 31, 2015 3:08 pm
Excellent post.
odin2May 31, 2015 3:06 pm
The Believers project all of the time. It's just what they do.
PepePinguitaMay 31, 2015 1:31 pm
It's true: the American version of "planning" is 1 week ahead. I live in Northern California and see the farmers pumping out what must be millions of gallons water to irrigate alfalfa crops - EVEN WHILE IT'S RAINING!
anthropgenic agnosticMay 31, 2015 12:46 pm
I agree, Paul. 'Scientists say" is journalistic doubletalk that an author uses to promote his/her own agenda. It is the opposite of objective reporting.
VestiasMay 31, 2015 11:09 am
Renewable energy has a future Happy Sustainability 2015
ScienceABC123May 30, 2015 11:13 pm
Okay, the alarmist are now turning on the scientists. Trying deliberately to explain why many scientists no longer support "anthropogenic climate change" and accusing them of abandoning the faith.
Allan BarrMay 30, 2015 8:31 pm
There was never a real issue amongst coaches, health professionals even individuals about the costs associated with smoking. It was simply a stalling tactic by the tobacco companies. Interestingly enough the very same people who helped in that campaign are now helping stall the vital change in carbon. Calls for further study are simply tactics to delay, delay, delay.
PCAHMay 30, 2015 1:24 pm
Amber Rudd supports new nuclear; will Camilla Cavendish explain to her that climate change demands the exclusion of nuclear and a transition to 100% genuine renewable energy? The UK must join the ER Energy Union and not risk yet another human error disaster like Fukushima etc etc.
socalpaMay 30, 2015 9:40 am
Really .. ridiculous argument as regards to a coupled, chaotic sixty mile thick ocean/atmosphere system with hundreds of known and unknown variables and cycles. - You must be a graduate of "skepticalscience" ,which is not skeptical at all of ridiculous attributions to elevated C02. - Some doozies. C02 causes tornados to "attack in swarms" .. Giant fast Spiders.. my personal favorites.. stronger poison ivy leading to more Bear attacks on humans.. - Sorry , C02 throughout Climate History has been a minor player in climate. rises hundreds to thousand years or so after warming ..never precedes in the past 2 1/2 million years. - But is proven to increase plant growth tremendously.
socalpaMay 30, 2015 9:31 am
This quote below says all that is necessary to be said about Lewandowsky ... "In his latest paper, co-authoring the research with four others, he refers to this as “seepage”.Academics should not talk about a recent pause or hiatus in global warming “given that global warming continues unabated,” - He is a stasis/pause/hiatus ...Denier. - Not to mention He openly calls for censorship.
Sam PyeatteMay 30, 2015 4:50 am
The point is, since the conditions we are seeing are well within the range of natural variability, one cannot tell (or prove) what portion of today's climate is due to human activity. The climate is always changing, always has and always will, so defining a "climate normal" is not possible - other than to say that whatever it is now, is "normal".
Duke SilverMay 30, 2015 4:45 am
Climate scientists should, like all scientists, be driven by the data. And I mean the cold, hard data. Not the manufactured slopes which arise from "adjusted" data. Stand for the truth - not for an ideology. Get your mojo back.
Leslie GrahamMay 30, 2015 4:12 am
Stand by for the usual avalanche of Denial Industry shills spamming the same old wearisome denierblog garbage and thousand-times-falsified myths. Now that the effects of global warming are simply an obvious everyday reality all over the world the denial has become hysterical and, frankly, insane.
Annette SchneiderMay 30, 2015 4:09 am
You are so right. We must act now and the most effective means we have to act is by putting ourselves at risk by using civil disobedience and non violent direct action against the perpetrators. Well done to groups like 350.org, Greenpeace and http://frontlineaction.org/news/ for taking on the fossil fools.
IanSMay 29, 2015 9:40 pm
Exactly - carbon users/burners will pay. The secret is to cap emissions and stop your Government buying "hot air" that does not help anyone.
Mark RichardsonMay 29, 2015 9:24 pm
Actually, methane traps 34 times as much heat as C02 does over a century, 86 times as much over the first 20 years following emission, and 115 times as much heat over the first 5 years following emission. Over the first month following emission atmospheric methane can trap up to 800 times as much heat as C02 over the Arctic where atmospheric aerosols that break-down methane are at their lowest, and over the first 2 weeks after emission that number is over 1000 too.. The problem is two-fold. One, the Arctic is rapidly warming at a rate of between double and triple that of the global average, thawing permafrost, formerly-frozen Arctic peat bogs, and sea-floor and lake-bed methyl hydrates that have been frozen for tens of thousands of years since the last time that the Arctic was warm. Two, these natural methane emissions are both occurring and growing on a daily basis, so every day Arctic atmospheric methane traps hundreds of times as much heat as does CO2. Recent research says that up to 50% of all oil wells leak methane at 50 years of age too. Another problem has been a rapid increase in the acreage burned by wildfire across the Arctic every summer too, where right now hundreds of wildfires are burning out of control. Estimates say that there exists 200-500 times as much potential methane as it would take to kill the entire human race rapidly thawing in the Arctic too, where sea-surface temperatures last fall were as much as 12 C above normal, which caused record low sea-ice extent this past winter which is still breaking records for low extent every day, and three new all-time records for atmospheric methane levels between November, 2014 and last Sunday, when 2800 parts-per-billion were observed near Barrow, AK after two days of record heat there. In-fact, last Saturday it was 91 F in Eagle, AK, just 40 F warmer than normal, another all-time record. Imagine it being 40 degrees warmer than normal where you live on May 23rd? That would be about 120 degrees in Detroit and Chicago, and even warmer here in Denver, just like it has been every day for the last two weeks in India, where people are dying in droves because of it. It is great that some small countries want to pursue alternatives to methane pollution, now if we could just get our planet's biggest methane polluters on-board we might yet have a fighting chance to save humanity, but stopping human methane catastrophe also requires stopping the fossil fuel, palm oil, paper, and livestock industries too. This World Bank effort must not be used to allow polluting industries to continue to pollute either.
Bob ArmstrongMay 29, 2015 8:38 pm
Should " ... climate scientists [ be ] influenced by those who think global warming is a load of baloney?" No . But they should be influenced by those who point out that our mean temperature depends on our spectrum as seen from the sun and increasing the source of carbon to carbon based life from ~ 3 molecules per 10k of air to 4 or even 5 or 6 makes a minuscule change to our spectrum as seen from the outside and hence has so far had no unambiguous effect on our mean temperature . Note how the watermelons ever more rely on psychologists to hold the belief system together rather than answer the quantitative theory or data .
PhoenixMay 29, 2015 7:55 pm
Wow, the middle east is going to catch sunshine, package it and sell it to others for a profit. Too bad we couldn't do that ourselves to help the middle class.
planet8788May 29, 2015 6:40 pm
Look at the satellite data... RSS, UAH. The data tampering is proven. Their charts change every year. The global cooling of 0.7C that scientists measured between 1940 and 1980 has GRADUALLY vanished.
planet8788May 29, 2015 6:38 pm
Trillions of gigabytes of research yet you can't explain why ALL satellite data shows no warming for over 18 years? All those gigabytes of data have been modified several times to produce the desired result. Just compare the charts in the original IPCC to the current ones. The past keeps getting colder and colder.
planet8788May 29, 2015 6:35 pm
And satellite data that shows no warming for 18.5 years.
planet8788May 29, 2015 6:30 pm
It was never a problem. Review the UAH and RSS satellite data.
planet8788May 29, 2015 6:25 pm
And there is zero way to tell the difference... showing how stupid the whole climate debate is.... especially when all satellite data shows that warming stopped 18 years ago. The only warming that continues is all Man-made by fiddling with numbers.
planet8788May 29, 2015 6:23 pm
the only warming that continues unabated is the Michael Mann-made global warming. All Satellite data shows an 18 year hiatus. And no significant warming in the tropical troposphere, which is what the whole global warming theory predicts... It's a completely failed hypothesis.
NicholBMay 29, 2015 4:58 pm
well, let's at least get all the flights in and out of the EU into the ETS. No more excuses if ICAO is just temporising.
Prem JanardhanMay 29, 2015 3:25 pm
Sounds like there is a future beyond oil for the middle east.
Steven GeigerMay 29, 2015 3:22 pm
I have the greatest respect for such an accomplished visionary as Paddy. But whether significant solar electricity exports from the Kingdom will happen needs much more investigation. The greatest benefit of renewables is allowing countries to finally wean themselves off the dangerous dependency and costs of imported energy. Countries can now aspire to much greater security and energy independence due to rapidly-dropping prices and increasing financial innovation facilitating massive worldwide deployments. Countries can now keep all that money at home, investing in their own industries and people. It is not clear at all that the insolation advantage of KSA will be enough incentive for other countries to forgo these new-found freedoms, energy security, and balance of trade. The high cost of laying long-distance HV cables is also a factor. Certainly regional exports into the GCC grid are likely, and perhaps into other neighboring countries.
Tunder BarMay 29, 2015 3:06 pm
Those of us who actually read the emails and the code and the inline comments in the code, know otherwise.
Tunder BarMay 29, 2015 3:00 pm
It isn't paranoia if they really are out to get you: Quote by Ottmar Edenhoffer, high level UN-IPCC official: "We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy...Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization...One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore." Quote by Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister: “No matter if the science is all phoney, there are collateral environmental benefits.... climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Tunder BarMay 29, 2015 2:57 pm
Here is one piece of science: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2zxMmhuJFkk/VUk-tfRVvrI/AAAAAAACB2U/ABJdEwVrxys/s800/12.png
samf1953May 29, 2015 1:58 pm
the last time we hit a record the amount of the rise was less than the +/- mistake factor
samf1953May 29, 2015 1:57 pm
Here it is http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/05/noaa-caught-rewriting-us-temperature-history-again.php
samf1953May 29, 2015 1:56 pm
What does population have to do with rain?
samf1953May 29, 2015 1:54 pm
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/05/noaa-caught-rewriting-us-temperature-history-again.php
TomMay 29, 2015 1:29 pm
You don't need the weather man, to tell which way the wind blows...
Paul MatthewsMay 29, 2015 8:55 am
"Scientists now say the world has under 30 years before dangerous levels of warming, causing droughts, floods and rising sea levels are guaranteed. " Really? Guaranteed? That's a very strong claim. You could probably find one or two scientists who would say that but it is not the mainstream view.
bachcoleMay 29, 2015 3:48 am
Not to worry. LENR will demolish all plans and all other energy sources, renewable or not.
Frederick DouglassMay 29, 2015 12:50 am
If the electricity is cheap and reliable nobody is going to refuse it because it is from solar plants.
johannjohannMay 28, 2015 11:51 pm
It is to much politics involved in the US, that is the reason solar is moving slow. Politicians want to fill their pockets and then they implement laws that suit businesses and not the taxpayers and then politicians get even more payback from those businesses.
johannjohannMay 28, 2015 11:41 pm
If households producing power and send it into the grid, the power company says that they can not regulate that extra power that goes into the grid and it will create all kinds of problems and they even charge a fee for households with solar panels if they send power into the grid. But....it is ironic that the same power companies are installing and operating Mega watts of solar panels and that will not cause any problems. Also in states where power companies do not have to pay for solar power send into the grid, such solar power that goes into the grid is not a problem either if power companies are getting it for free.
johnny cMay 28, 2015 11:19 pm
not surprising. the cost of solar energy is below fossil fuels and getting cheaper all the time. we could of course take advantage of that and we are in states where democrats are in charge of state legislatures.
RockyMay 28, 2015 11:14 pm
The trick will be to store it for night time use. I suggest energon cubes. Then they can be safely shipped around the world.
John Champagne blokt at MoyersMay 28, 2015 5:50 pm
If citizens are not demanding clear and principled policies, then industries will lobby for rules or exceptions that favor their particular interests. Burdensome complexity is inevitable. Who will join a call for significant fees charged against polluters, with fee proceeds going to all the people? (Sharing of fee proceeds should make even ambitious emissions targets acceptable to LDCs and would reduce any adverse impact on the economy. Sharing of fee proceeds would mean an end to extreme poverty throughout the world.) It is easy to know when fees are high enough if we define acceptable levels of putting pollution (or taking resources) as whatever amount most people in a random survey say is acceptable. Fees should be high enough to attain that amount of control, but no higher. Biological Model for Politics and Economics Natural law requires respect of PUBLIC property rights, too
Jamie ThomsonMay 28, 2015 2:16 pm
carbon pricing is different from a tax. It is a non-regulatory way of allowing the market to most efficiently meet pollution goals. It has proven its efficiency in the reduction of acid rain and so far is best option for fixing global warming. Alternatively, we can continue to irresponsibly ignore science and contribute further to the conflict, mass migrations, and economic insults associated with an increasingly unstable atmosphere.
GMay 28, 2015 2:07 pm
Global economic depression!
DahunMay 28, 2015 1:26 pm
Sounds as if the rest of the world should institute regulations requiring re planting forests that have been harvested for lumber as it is done in the US. Interestingly enough North America is a carbon dioxide sink with less carbon dioxide leaving the continent than enters the continent. There are more forests in the US than 200 years ago as farming has shifted from forested areas that were cleared to the Midwest and California along with far more productive farming technology. This is true even with huge population increases.
averagejoe72677May 28, 2015 12:02 pm
Scheme is the key word here. It's all a scheme to make money nothing less, nothing more. Guess who will be paying for these scheme's?
VestiasMay 28, 2015 11:48 am
We can dramatically reduce CO2 increases if we stop buying all the Chinese waste produced with coal power plant powers and set frow across the world on ships powered by residual fuel and drity New China take social and environmental sustainability Happy sustainability 2015
mike flanaganMay 28, 2015 3:18 am
These companies speak with forked tongues. They spend billions of additional dollars per annum on buttressing their exploratory and recovery platforms from the anticipated ravages of extreme weather patterns induced by climate change. Their shareholders should be acquainted to the extra cost and the draw on their funds, if they appointed honest and rational board members.
TaaraiMay 28, 2015 1:26 am
You cannot reply like that there were lot of people live in it. it is something that must be done by the citizens not some people that had no love for others.
Ger AnonoMay 27, 2015 7:41 pm
Your article states "Rudd was hailed as a green choice." Was she? By whom?
AJMay 27, 2015 11:39 am
It's a tax that is passed onto consumers. This will strengthen the economy, not. More money for government waste.
moosesteak7May 27, 2015 5:29 am
Well, gee, it is the dirtiest, most polluting fuel we use, agenda or no agenda.
RichardMay 27, 2015 4:33 am
Absolutely not! But it can bilk millions from the totally ignorant of the world!
TravisJSaysMay 27, 2015 4:01 am
The only real viable solution is to build next generation nuclear technology. That will solve the climate change problem.
Steven CohenMay 27, 2015 2:07 am
Carbon pricing would boost renewable energy and thus reduce use of fossil fuels.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 10:50 pm
I'm sure the people in Texas and Oklahoma will agree: they don't need more rain. I haven't seen any reports on temperature 2000 years ago. do you have a reference?
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 10:47 pm
Both sets of data show a slow increase in temperature. The predicted increase is really slow, from 1980 to 2100 the prediction (hope) is for 2C increase, that's less than 0.02C per year, not exactly leaping through the ceiling. So we need to look for long term trends, as I noted the trends are upward.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 10:42 pm
Data cooked? You have proof of that?
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 10:36 pm
No one, even the most pessimistic, are predicting "skyrocketing" temperature increases. The goal is to hold the increase at 2c by 2100, that's about 0.02C per year. At worse the increase might by 4C by 2100, that's 0.04C/year. And the arctic ice IS melting and the latest information is that the Antarctic ice is also decreasing. It takes a long long time to melt chunks of ice as large as Antarctica or Greenland. No one thought these reservoirs of ice would be gone by now.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 10:29 pm
Canadian government doesn't care, we opted out of Kyoto when the Conservatives took power.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 10:06 pm
For starters: lots more trees. and lots more than we are losing due to fires and harvesting. Remember it takes years for trees to take up maximum CO2.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 10:01 pm
It's true, more information is needed and better models to get a more complete understanding of this extremely complex phenomenon. We understand the basics but there is soooo much more to learn. Remember how long it took to connect tobacco smoking and cancer, how vigorously the tobacco companies fought, and how long it took for general acceptance of the connection. That was a simple problem compared to global warming/climate change.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 9:55 pm
Don't sell NASA and NOAA short they do terrific work. ESA has many Earth Observation satellites and Canada's RADARSAT II satellite is a reliable source of radar images and this data is available to the US Climatologists.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 9:46 pm
True. Most of the measurements of the earths surface in remote locations like the Antarctic are made by Weather and other Earth Observation satellites; satellites in 1980 were quite simple compared to todays. There are a lot more EO satellites now and so we get much better coverage and better measurements of many new parameters. We need a lot of data to calculate ice volume, including data from Radar images. As I recall it was in 1978 that the first radar image of the whole Antarctic was acquired by Canada's RADARSAT I.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 9:33 pm
And a warmer than average in the other half. and my grandma said half the USA is not the entire world; I was sooooo shocked.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 9:30 pm
Not just warmer but lower salinity also, lower salinity water freezes at a higher temperature.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 9:24 pm
It may be the increased are of Antarctic ice is the last cherry to be picked by the deniers.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 9:22 pm
Please don't confuse "confusion" with scientific debate. Religions aren't based on observed facts, the theory of a warming world is.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 9:18 pm
To the layman, blaming global warming for increasing area of ice seems counter-intuitive. I imagine that there will be discussions for several years among the scientists studying the growth and decrease of ice in the Arctic and Antarctic with various theories presented by different groups. There is much and diverse data that shows the world is warming, so if there doesn't seem to be any explanation for the increasing area of winter ice except a changing climate then we can work with that theory and see how it could happen. If new observations don't support the theory then the theory will have to be changed.
Joe GoreMay 26, 2015 9:02 pm
Yes I agree. What matters about the ice is Volume, or the ice anomaly, not just Area. In order to properly assess the situation we have to look at the thinning of the ice as well as the area covered by winter ice. As to the science: scientists derive theories from observed measurements and use the theories to make predictions, if more observations support the theories well and good, if the new observations don't then the theory has to be changed. If someone disputes a theory then they have to look at the theory and the predictions, make their own observations, or collect other's and come up with a better theory. Even Newton's theory of gravitation was changed by Einstein.
Steven CohenMay 26, 2015 8:44 pm
I will gladly pay my fair share.
Western MarkMay 26, 2015 8:33 pm
Big bad oil and gas have already spent and continue to spend 100's of millions on 'green' energy projects. There might be a bit less demonizing if the 'green' lobby would take a breath and recognize the contributions to their cause. When the reported $12 Trillion from investors in "carbon reductions" may not be enough it is time to reconsider the use of nuclear generation; especially in cold Northern climates that are mostly dark 3-5 months of the year. A small single reactor could supply power to 4-500k homes. The 7-8B investment would have a greater, quicker carbon reduction result than the same investment in wind, solar, bio combined. $12 Trillion would go a long way to building a few nuclear plants and millions of very affordable e-cars but those green investors are not really any different than the big bad oil companies - they know where the money is.
UpperLeftCoastMay 26, 2015 7:58 pm
Incorrect. The overall mass of ice in both the Arctic and Antarctic are decreasing. If you have any actual measurements to the contrary, plese do publish them in a reputable scientific journal.
UpperLeftCoastMay 26, 2015 7:54 pm
I think you're on to something here. They're not sceptics. they're not paid shills for the fossil fuel companies. They're "climate change engineers!" I also love Enough's idea of science: "most are," in contrast to "many of!" Of course, I admit my bias. I'll go with a government employed NASA climatologist over a mechanical engineer when it comes to the climate.
UpperLeftCoastMay 26, 2015 7:48 pm
They are both decreasing in terms of their overall mass.
UpperLeftCoastMay 26, 2015 7:48 pm
Phleming did not say the frequency of category 3 and 4 hurricanes "proves" anything. He simply offered this in evidence. But I give you points fr a good "strawman" attack. And the overall ice mass of both the Arctic and Antarctic are decreasing. But good try at misdirection.
UpperLeftCoastMay 26, 2015 7:44 pm
"Both Antarctic AND Arctic ice are expanding" Incorrect. Arctic sea ice over the last eight years has been the lowest ever measured. While sea ice in the Antarctic has grown, the overall mass of ice has been decreasing. "ZERO measurable warming in 18 years" Incorrect. All of the warmest years known except for one since the start of the industrial revolution have ocurred within the last two decades.
UpperLeftCoastMay 26, 2015 7:40 pm
Source for the claim that the southern ocean is cooling?
UpperLeftCoastMay 26, 2015 7:36 pm
You are correct. It is global warming, not underwater volcanic activity.
UpperLeftCoastMay 26, 2015 7:28 pm
But the denier reaction to the science is pretty clearly based on emotion and politics / ideology.
UpperLeftCoastMay 26, 2015 7:21 pm
Typical absurd logic. There can be more than one cause for a phenomenon. For example: People once died hunting mammoths. Mammoths are now extinct. Therefore, people no longer die when hunting.
themacwayMay 26, 2015 6:24 pm
An effort needs to be made to distinguish so-called 'big oil.' Nationalized oil is many, many times larger than publicly traded large oil companies. Exonn-Mobil is the biggest major, public oil company, yet it is barely in the top 20 by production volume in the world. The difference directly effects articles such as this.
g_sorosMay 26, 2015 5:55 pm
Christiana Figueres is correct. Demonizing an oil and gas is counter productive.
SalbaMay 26, 2015 4:48 pm
These companies have pumped millions into climate denialism and to win political favour for extension of the status quo, while being fully aware of the specter of climate change. It's not demonising, its calling them out for what they are. All they are interested in is profit, and I won't believe that they're currently doing anything other than greenwashing and engaging in stall tactics. There is only one solution, bankrupt them by divestment and carbon taxation, and move massive subsidies over to renewable energy. There is very, very limited space for them as we stand on the precipice of runaway climate change. Figueres should base her arguments on an explicit and full rendition of history of corporate denialism and active resistance to meaningful action on climate change.
Atid KimelmanMay 26, 2015 3:21 pm
Clarification on this line: "Chevron and Exxon are expected to reject similar proposals at their AGMs this week." The shareholder proposals at Chevron and Exxon are quite different than those that Shell and BP adopted, calling not for disclosure of information but for actions to improve governance and sustainable business operation (establishing Greenhouse Gas Emissions Reduction Goals, requesting higher dividends to avoid investments in stranded assets, adding board members with environmental expertise, providing proxy access to shareholders, etc). While Chevron and Exxon shareholders will likely reject many of these proposals due to opposition from company management, they are much more ambitious than the disclosure resolutions that passed at BP and Shell.
Tom ServoMay 26, 2015 2:38 pm
Actually the EU's carbon pricing scheme has collapsed - Australia has repealed it's scheme - Canada has never gone for it - India says it's economic development takes precedence over any of this nonsense - and in the US, there's not a chance of it ever happening. And if you've looked into the so-called Chinese "plans", they are a ridiculous joke meant only to extort money out of gullible Europeans. Oh yeah, this is "inevitable". Right.
Amber SariyaMay 26, 2015 1:29 pm
RTCC, I honestly think big oil is paying for these highly uninformed and ignorant comments. Keep in the good work RTCC, this is an excellent article. With a rapidly urbanizing world, ofcourse we cannot ignore the role of cities. Giving city governments power at the negotiations perhaps will marginalize rural governments. However, city governments need to innovate and need to pressure on national governments to take progressive actions that will ensure that in the long run ensures a clean, healthy robust infrastructure for their citizens
Joe BanksMay 25, 2015 3:41 am
The drought is being caused by a Grand Solar Minimum. It will last at least 40 years. California will stay in drought that long as well.
Steven CohenMay 24, 2015 1:39 pm
The public worldwide wants action taken on reducing carbon emissions and businesses are starting to realize this.
go2greenMay 23, 2015 10:33 pm
This doesn't surprise me, the melting of the ice caps was predicted decades ago.
g_sorosMay 23, 2015 5:23 pm
At the present rate of warming, which the IPCC reports is +0.04C per decade it will take 500 years for global temperature to rise 2.0C. That is the data from the UN sponsored IPCC. In 500 years, we will be getting energy from very different sources. IPCC AR5 FINAL Ch. 9, p. 769, para.1Box 9.2 Climate Models and the Hiatus in Global Mean Surface Warming of the Past 15 Years “The observed global mean surface temperature (GMST) has shown a much smaller increasing linear trend over the past 15 years than over the past 30 to 60 years. Depending on the observational data set, the GMST trend over 1998–2012 is estimated to be around one-third to one-half of the trend over 1951–2012. For example, in HadCRUT4 the trend is 0.04ºC per decade over 1998–2012, compared to 0.11ºC per decade over 1951–2012.” 0.04C x 50 decades = 2.0C RSS temperature data shows a temperature decline of about -0.6C over the same period that the IPCC reported on in AR5.
VestiasMay 23, 2015 3:53 pm
Happy Sustainability 2015
TonkaMay 23, 2015 2:26 pm
Sign of the times wouldn't you say? or is the BIBLE coming true..It states all of this...
AesopsRetreat_ComMay 23, 2015 6:30 am
So where are the stupid satellite photos? Instead you give us an artists rendering in which he can draw anything he's told to draw!
NickMay 22, 2015 11:33 pm
Satellite data, after being calibrated to more closely conformed to the far-more-accurate ground measurements, show no such a thing as "NO increase in temperature since 1999".
jtj33May 22, 2015 10:47 pm
There's a chance it may or a chance it... A "moderate" El Nino maybe bigger or smaller. (Covers everything. :) For sure though it will be light today and dark tonight. Can I get my paycheck? You have the forecast.
TheoMay 22, 2015 10:36 pm
Gotta set records sometime. [shrug]
mbee1May 22, 2015 10:16 pm
You can check for yourself. Go to the weather, pick a city, look up the average temperature for say 2014 , go to Giss, the adjusted and unadjusted temperatures are available over at Berkeley or directly if you ask from NOAA. Look up the same city, add back in the base to Giss and viola, you have the Official Giss temperature, if you compare with the average from your other source, it will most likely be higher. I looked at Barrow Alaska and Pensacola Florida. Alaska was 1.5 degrees higher and Pensacola was 1 degree higher than actual. NOAA uses a different average so it can be a lot more 2 or 3 degrees different so when I quote I simply use the NOAA unadjusted average and compare it to the adjusted average. One thing to keep in mind is they also adjust for altitude so pick cities near the coast or below 1000 ft. There are several blogs which have computed the difference. here is one. http://euanmearns.com/the-hunt-for-global-warming-antarctica http://euanmearns.com/homogenizing-the-world If you google the 2010 revision of Giss and read it you can see their reasons for changing everything and how they are doing it. The source code is actually public but you need a special pricey program to run it which may be available at some university near you if you know anybody.
GregMay 22, 2015 9:11 pm
Last I heard the did another more complete examination of the data and found the actual rate of sea level rise was only 2.8mm per year.
Enviro Equipment, Inc.May 22, 2015 8:31 pm
This is so silly borders on being comical. Of course the oil and gas companies reject keeping the fossil fuels in the ground because they have spent a rather sizable amount of money developing these energy resources so until it's no longer profitable for them to pull them out of the ground, such as when renewables become more dominant, they are going to keep doing so. As is their right to do so.
anderlanMay 22, 2015 6:12 pm
Did you mean 18MWhr?
Robert JohnsonMay 22, 2015 6:11 pm
This is what we want in the California desert......and not Shell oil drilling in the Artic
anderlanMay 22, 2015 6:07 pm
Because solar power plants are modular. They're granularly sized. They're organically sized. They're granularly reparable. They're part of a multi-billion-volume cheap commodity market, consisting of similar or the exact same arbitrarily sized (i.e. right-sized by the market!) modules used for domestic, business, and grid plants of every size. They don't require a large river for cooling. They don't require standoffs--the larger land area per watt of PV becomes equal to nuclear when you include standoff. They don't require heavy shielding. Good grief, I could go on. What planet are you living on?
GreatWhiteShirtMay 22, 2015 5:42 pm
"More than 6.5 companies back" - "million". (caption above photo).
NickMay 22, 2015 2:49 pm
You are reminded that 2014 had a 48% probability of being the warmest year ever (according to NOAA - the folks who actually know something), and that was not even an El Nino year.
Bogdan DumitrescuMay 22, 2015 12:00 pm
so where does the rest of the electricity goes to? China ?
NickMay 22, 2015 11:34 am
We could stop cutting them down. At this point, we should be seeing to it that we have no net loss of trees (if you cut one down, you plant at least one more). But planting trees isn't going to cut it for a solution to man-made global warming. Trees absorb carbon dioxide from the air, but then release it when they decompose after dying. We simply need to leave the fossil carbon where it lies.
c_centinaMay 22, 2015 10:57 am
nuclear plant is dangerous for any country, just image if earthquake comes it would be a disaster, on the other hand solar electricity is harmless and cheap
Climate HomeMay 22, 2015 8:32 am
Hi Todd, Thanks for the note. Could you share the evidence for the outrageous fudging? Ideally some research on these figures - not a blog posting. Best wishes, ed
John E.May 22, 2015 8:09 am
I hope to God This Is a blessing for Western States of United States Especially Southern California They NEED a tropical storms two or three of them. While Texas and most New Mexico now have to much rain The need the Rain valve turned off for at least two or three weeks It will be another major flooding event for mid and upper Mid west If they get more rain than usual. Republicans do not know want here this but climate control is more prevalent today They are believing with their eyes ears and mouths closed Global warming Yet according to many Climatologist during the time Jesus was around The world was 5 degrees warmer however the world is 900 times populated then During the Early Roman era America was under 12 to 20 different Native American tribes less than million or two.
Avik RoyMay 22, 2015 7:56 am
Let's talk some facts here. Why was the clearance for a coal mine that was expected to fire 2100MW of power in this energy-starved country not good news? Because the projected gain from the Mahan coal block does not nearly justify the irreversible loss. The proposed Mahan mines will rip apart around 1200 hectare of sal forests, destroying the contiguity of one of central India’s best un-fragmented forest zones spread over 20,000 hectares. But, as per the project proponent’s own admission, Mahan’s coal stock will “meet only 16 years of plant requirement against the norm of 30 years”. As former environment minister Jairam Ramesh wrote in 2011: "I am not entirely clear why such a good quality forest area should be broken up for such a partial requirement."
Manoj HalgonaMay 22, 2015 7:08 am
Hey vigro, Go back where!! I'm an Indian and belong here and I have every right to speak.
bernard townsendMay 22, 2015 6:28 am
With the cutting of funding recently for the Earth Sciences at NASA, in the future, when the information is really needed the most, we as the United States, will have to rely on information gathered from other countries.
VinceRMay 22, 2015 5:23 am
Warm water from below cold water melting frozen ice shelf. It must be global warming, not underwater volcanic activity...
Todd NelsonMay 22, 2015 4:29 am
The only reason temperature readings are showing how warm 2014 was is thE numbers were cooked. The outrageous fudging of raw data by NOAA, GISS, and NASA just shows the fraud these agencies are still trying to make money from. Only those involved in the fraud, and those too stupid to realize "climate change" is a fraud that makes Bernie Madoff look honest, are still promoting "climate change' as being true. There are no others.
abcMay 22, 2015 1:48 am
But its long lasting better than hydro power plant in some aspects.
Allan BarrMay 22, 2015 1:13 am
So true, I agree with everything he said, unfortunate he did not start at the start of his presidency. Wonder how many people know were already self extincted and its going to be now.
Allan BarrMay 22, 2015 1:10 am
Its interesting, they always says the same thing on every article anywhere. More study is needed and no firm conclusions can be made, etc, etc. Total censorship.
Allan BarrMay 22, 2015 1:00 am
I predict 5 C average global temp increase this year. Plus or minus 2 C. Of course just look at plunging oxygen levels now averaging 15 percent worldwide. At 15 anything burnt turns into CO. Anyone bothered to look at CO levels. The huge amount of methane now emitting from everywhere is putting large amounts of water vapor that's composed of no oxygen different from water vapor with oxygen. Anyone notice all the pretty purple sunrises and sunsets? Thats due to the methane thats currently over the entire globe and now growing thicker each second. El Nina is already about 2 to 6 C over global average plus majority of land is between 5 to 10 C over their own averages. So many people living in la la land. I did discover a hard boundary smiles. If you burn a piece of wood now it turns to biochar, oxygen content below 15 percent. At 12 percent nothing will burn, nothing. With dilution from the huge out of control methane emitting I doubt its going to be too much longer before nothing on earth will be able to light, thats one sweet hard boundary.
Allan BarrMay 22, 2015 12:52 am
They have already confirmed that ice slumping from the land is reason why sea ice extent increased. Its never km2 one looks at its km3. Too funny they trying to push the same of tired blind over our eyes.
Allan BarrMay 22, 2015 12:49 am
They are stripping entire forests in North Eastern Canada, fools.
Michael CurtisMay 22, 2015 12:17 am
Bull, stories should disclose when they use data from MODELS, the climate satellite shows NO increase in temperature since 1999 the day it was launched, this hotter every year caca comes from models that are "adjusted" all lies.
Kevin PondMay 21, 2015 10:47 pm
Concerning, but to be fair, comparing a two month average to full year averages is a little questionable. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif
GuyBBMay 21, 2015 10:44 pm
El Nino years, and the years closest to them, are always warm. Better get that climate deal signed this year, for the trend will be downward for 2016. And where will that leave your propaganda campaign?
Lakhkar KhanMay 21, 2015 9:08 pm
Because Kalabagh mam will only benefit Punjab by the expense of 2 other provinces like KPK and Sindh. In a case of flood or any other disaster, these 2 provinces will be drowned. Example: 1. Tarbela Dam, located in KPK, generates the most hydro power in the country from which Punjab benefits the most. KPK which generates the power still have up to 18 hours of load shedding per day. 2. Based in China corridor original plan, it should be going directly form China via KPK to Gwadr, Baluchistan . The ruling Punjabi party added 600KM extra to the plan just to benefit Punjab and omit major parts of KPK and Baluchistan. A better question is, why other provinces have to bare the brunt to benefit Punjab. Have we learned anything from the history (i.e.Bengladesh)? The ruling party of Punjab are the real greedy thieves. They have to be stopped from stealing others resources.
origion007May 21, 2015 9:03 pm
Why spend all that money when you can always open nuclear power plants, Which are cheaper and produce 20 times more electricity than this.What's the use of being a nuclear power when we can't build nuclear power plants..
Kamran AhmedMay 21, 2015 7:01 pm
They are makin us foor, the original capacity of this project is 18MW per day
Kamran AhmedMay 21, 2015 7:00 pm
This is a big scam with Pakistani People Mr. Saleem, the original capacity of this project is only 18MW per day
Utsarjana MutsuddiMay 21, 2015 6:21 pm
All the corporates sitting in the U.S. denying that climate change and global warming is a reality, and spending billions of dollars behind the global-warming-is-a-myth propaganda just to make sure that the world is dependent on fossil fuels as long as possible, for their own business gains. The tropical countries will never forgive, never forget, the harsh realities that nature imposes on us thanks to your persistent carbon print. For everyone that believes that clean energy is not yet the need of the hour, you either haven't grown up in a tropical climate or you are stupid enough not to believe what you see and feel. It is noon and it is punishing. Air conditioners and air coolers and fans will only last as long as there is energy to run these machines. Whether we like it or not clean energy is the need of the hour. And organisations fighting for such needs (Greenpeace) are being shut down like flies. If it is this bad now, where are we headed to next?
AbhishekMay 21, 2015 6:13 pm
The larger issue here goes beyond the classic debate between state's version of development and environmental and human rights of the people. Development is inclusive and cannot happen without addressing the cause of the poor and underprivileged. The issue here is much bigger and alarming: the current government's intolerance towards criticism and dissent.
hus pantherMay 21, 2015 3:38 pm
@Ricky Smith .. R u kidding me ? I bet there is catch behind it , who knows who is making how much In this entire project ? I agree with Israr but u know israr may be the margin of profit is more on solar power LOL
Rizzi2011May 21, 2015 3:10 pm
Whatever comes from this corrupt government is questionable and the result in doubt as so many other hyped projects have gone down the drain by the corrupt administration of Nawaz Sharif whereas the previous government of PPP led by Asif Zardari was also no good they are both equally corrupt filling their bellies and the poverty increasing day by day.
newtonianMay 21, 2015 2:48 pm
How many trees should we be planting? It seems to me if the trees were long growing hardwoods in a sustained yield situation, their value would be such that they would more appreciated.
PygmalionMay 21, 2015 12:10 pm
Observant readers will note that Hollande's concern has nothing to do with anything related to the environment. He is honestly and unabashedly seeking reforms to bolster the European carbon markets. This is purely economics news.
Gus GhazanfarMay 21, 2015 11:19 am
It would have been nice if it was built without help of china.
Mehboob KhaliqMay 21, 2015 10:20 am
Need to be done more in this field, it is just the start.
David BrownMay 21, 2015 8:02 am
Skeptic is the preferred spelling in American and Canadian English, and sceptic is preferred in the main varieties of English from outside North America
Israr KhanMay 21, 2015 7:19 am
why our rulers are reluctant to build hydro power stations like bhasha kalabagh munda and many more we hughe potential but strangely the most expensive form is chosen for reasons best known to the ruling looters
shahzadMay 21, 2015 3:26 am
Great keep it up
geeta sahuMay 21, 2015 2:28 am
We need to rethink development model that we are following. Having more and more luxuries is not the sign of development rather a sign of greed. We must discover the joy of simple living, giving and sharing instead of acquiring more and more. whole world look at India's teachings and India should not be a mere follower of developed countries. India should show a way as to how to live without harming surrounding, The way honey bee takes honey from flower without any harm to the flower, same way we can provide for our need without harming the provider i.e nature. What Modi govt is doing is certainly alarming.
Robert ConoverMay 21, 2015 12:54 am
What is with Yahoo today? All these rediculous articles on climate change: obama, bill nye and this article. What nonsense.
Engineer66May 21, 2015 12:52 am
This story is hilarious...the media has tried to connect global warming to everything going wrong in this world except teenage pregnancy..
DB WoodMay 20, 2015 8:33 pm
LOL, climate change will cause everything that is bad in the world, none of it has to do with foreign policy. What a joke Obama has become, ranting about bush and "climate deniers" while refusing to own up to his own created mess. Climate change has been blamed for thousands of things, but not caused a damn one of em yet. Obama has blamed everything else that has happened during his presidency on anything outside of his presidency.
AbhiMay 20, 2015 8:06 pm
Some people really think that India is not yet developed because of GP and such organizations!!!. GP came just 15 years back. You should understand the real blockage in the way of India's development is our own institutions. Government helping corporate to create jobs but on other hand letting them loot out our resources in big way. We need entrepreneurs and not slaves. Best minds of countries run to foreign due to lack of chances in our own country. We have 1st class citizens with 3rd class government till now. Current govt. didnt come out differently till now. So now few of you might start judging me that I am criticizing my own government and hence I am anti-national. My dear brothers and sisters, we live in a democracy and here I as a citizen have legal rights to criticize anybody. So please do not throw that logic here. If you want to throw something throw logic about why India was able to do so many scams(all the parties including current one and that shows we dont lack in money) but could not be developed and how our recent government is trying to change all of that? We at Greenpeace India are pushing that change. Change in mindsets to make energy in clean way, provide more quality jobs rather than suffocating and radiation one. India's growth can only be possible if we don't follow other countries' methods as they are also leaving those ways. We have to become advance and have to use what whole world is talking. No one is talking about Nuclear as future. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out People are talking about renewable http://www.forbes.com/.../could-the-cost-of-solar-power.../ Think about everybody's basic need - water, air, food. Then energy. And then luxury. Come out from self-centered mode and think globally. #ISupportGPIndia
jabberwolfMay 20, 2015 6:30 pm
Yeah Climate alarmists arent the brightest of the bunch. And yes we should look up multi year and it DOES show increased ice coverage. What the idiot has been duped on is that the Permanent ice has dissapeared.. the ice that never melts.. well thats based from ice FROM 1979 and hes correct but that is not the case now where it is NOT melting any longer and the coverage is growing.
midpathMay 20, 2015 5:24 pm
Corruption and political interference have always been widespread in India, with the government often a participant. Any dissent against this is not welcome and has always been dangerous, long before Greenpeace came. $299,000 represents a huge NGO risk to the government?? Government funded organizations such as the World Bank should resist providing aid with such nonsense happening.
civics 101May 20, 2015 4:55 pm
If water expands when it freezes and floats. How is it going to increase the ocean lever when it melts? Do the experiment at home with a big bowel and ice ! Mark the bowel.. The earth is 600 billion years old, so 15,000 isn't that long if you look at the big picture.
Ricky SmithMay 20, 2015 2:29 pm
The world should learn from Pakistan....they are going for full Solar power in the decade.
RKMay 20, 2015 11:38 am
So weird, people are willing to let go of dissent so easily?! It is a core part of India's values. No matter who is leading, it should not and must not be compromised on.
devindMay 19, 2015 7:35 pm
Foreign govt & Missionaries who doesn't have vote in India, use their money to stifle the voice of the people who elected the government for development, Which country can allow their own electorate be overturned by rich foreign govt using NGOs as proxy ?
Scove Joseph CovellMay 19, 2015 6:54 pm
I hope that the Brazilian government take action because this is serious.
g_sorosMay 19, 2015 6:38 pm
The small Western Peninsula that sticks up just below Terra Del Fuego is having cyclic melting, mostly because of the reoccurring El Nino cycle. The Western Peninsula melts and freezes and it does both quickly. In one year, the usually 30 year cyclic PDO can change from cold to warm or warm to cold. There are several recognized PDO cycles. The rest of the continent is surrounded by its own unique air flow systems. The winds circle clockwise around the continent and act to keep other weather systems away. The air flow also stabilizes the Antarctic weather system. It doesn’t change much. The ice pack in the Antarctic is getting colder on almost all parts of the continent except the Western Peninsula. The Antarctic ice sheet hasn’t melted in 15,000,000 years and it won’t melt in the next 1,000 years. The average temperature in Antarctic is -58F. It would have to heat up 90F just to get the freezing. Temperatures went to -106F in 2013. Continental ice is 2 to 3 miles thick.
Ajai Kumar AgarwalMay 19, 2015 5:34 pm
Govt of India is doing all in the intrest of people of India.First duty of any Govt is towards her citizens.To provide them job,infrastructure,etc is the priorty of the Govt. But in our country,some people oppose all the action taken by the Govt. If a nuclear power plant is being constructed,They have problem.If a thermal power plant is being established, they have problem.Even, if a hydroelectric power plant being constructed,they have problem.Without power,infrastructure, India,can not develope.See the progress made by China.But there is no recent on Govt.Decision. Our political parties, specially opposition do the same. when they are in opposition, they lend support to all these protests.Thats why India is lagging behind in developement.We do nothing for farmers more than 67 years. But when the land is acquired for the developement projects by the new Govt,They say the Govt is anti farmers.After this they say to the public that the Govt is doing nothing for the developement/people. How a Govt. can work in such a situation for the wellfare of people of our country. We took more than 50 years to develope/construct a dam,Tihri dam all to generate only 1000 MW of electricity due to all this drama in our country. So let us all countrymen decide ,what we want from our Govt and how.Without this we cant develope and will remain behind in developement.Thats some country want in the world and knowingly/un knowingly we are supporting them.
Jay_GreneMay 19, 2015 4:19 pm
Not quite. The article IS confusing because it doesn't clearly explain the costs include both direct (your US federal oil subsidies for example) and indirect subsidies. However, the indirect subsidies are still REAL MONEY costs due to fossil fuels... It's less expensive to deal with climate change than to ignore it.
JungleTrunksMay 19, 2015 1:53 pm
The U.S. oil industry only receives roughly $4.5 billion in government subsidies. This articles numbers are conflated by gerrymandering every cost under the sun as being associated with the energy industry
VestiasMay 19, 2015 10:49 am
We must join together to bring forth a sustainable global society founded for natur universal human rights
Paul MatthewsMay 19, 2015 9:16 am
Disclaimer: This Working Paper should not be reported as representing the views of the IMF.
johannjohannMay 19, 2015 4:39 am
By the time you buy everything it is more expensive to build your own panel that will last 1 season with an potential that such panel will not work at all. I can but one 100 watt panel for little over $100 that is warranted for 20 years with an higher efficiency than a home build panel.
elmanmayMay 19, 2015 1:42 am
Here in America we have rechargeable solar garden lights. For $1 U.S. dollar you get a rechargeable AAA battery, 2 volt solar cell and controlling electronic and a LED. I have converted some into night lights for the hallway, 10 foot wire extension on the Solar cell to place it in a south facing window, or outside if necessary to reach direct sunlight.
agsbMay 19, 2015 12:41 am
Time to get the UN out of the US.
DonalduckMay 18, 2015 10:17 pm
Greenpeace is at odd with most democracies, but avoids dictatorships and totalitarian regimes that are polluting the most, like plague. One reason may be, no media attention plus risk of getting shot.
RajSMay 18, 2015 8:51 pm
Get off the cross. Dissent is welcome in India. Embezzlement, political interference and high treason from a foreign intelligence funded 'NGO' like Greenpeace, are not welcome.
raj k guptaMay 18, 2015 8:21 pm
Developing countries like India which are centuries behind developed countries in providing basic necessities like jobs, housing, food and other daily needs cannot be expected to follow into foot steps of developed countries and follow rules and regulations developed by them. It is easier to be holier than thou for all these do gooders like Green peace. Most of them all well to do themselves or well financed by vested interests in affected industries in developed countries. So please don't blame the Indian Govt. for being for the people of India who elected them. For them India comes first unlike in the past. Give India a chance to move ahead with respect and confidence. Hopefully days of international colonization are over.
kcy2014May 18, 2015 7:09 pm
I stopped recycling and I'm littering as much as I can to protest the propaganda and indoctrination campaign led by the Warmist cult.
Jerry ColeyMay 18, 2015 7:05 pm
India is doing what American should be doing,but not with Obama and his gang of Socialist The last 6 years we have seen so many realation and many cost so much for companys to build new stuff and expanse for to help keep our country ,a growing and create new good paying jobs,for American people only.There is a way to keep our country clean and also keep the prices down and jobs up..
VIGROMay 18, 2015 7:01 pm
IN order for India to progress all charities like Greenpeace and others are nothing but a hindrance for progress , they need to go back and work in their own country.
Mike ShapiroMay 18, 2015 6:49 pm
What is a carbon tax?
lsk1956May 18, 2015 4:27 am
Please cite supporting evidence of "...pandering to special interests...". In the US little has been done because the science shows we will likely cripple the economy and reduce global emissions by ~0.01%. Or are you not aware of the EPA's plan to reduce US Co2 emissions by 1% increase for $50 billion per year to 2030? https://www.uschamber.com/press-release/energy-institute-report-finds-potential-new-epa-carbon-regulations-will-damage-us
lsk1956May 18, 2015 4:09 am
Here is a very small sampling of some of the science that skeptics would like to see discussed and properly framed: Studies showing link of AGW to “Natural Variability” http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070801175711.htm http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=50837#.VFQ4B_k7um5 http://www.acting-man.com/blog/media/2014/01/ipcc-amo-pdo-warming.jpg http://shadow.eas.gatech.edu/~jean/paleo/Berner_1983.pdf http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/journals/ConcirtrendJC03.pdf Trend of the last 15 years according to HadCRUT4: 4 one-hundredths of one degree C / decade (~0.0C), IPCC AR5 FINAL Ch. 9, p. 769, para.1Box 9.2 Climate Models and the Hiatus in Global Mean Surface Warming of the Past 15 Years “The observed global mean surface temperature (GMST) has shown a much smaller increasing linear trend over the past 15 years than over the past 30 to 60 years (Section 2.4.3, Figure 2.20, Table 2.7; Figure 9.8; Box 9.2 Figure 1a, c). Depending on the observational data set, the GMST trend over 1998–2012 is estimated to be around one-third to one-half of the trend over 1951–2012 (Section 2.4.3, Table 2.7; Box 9.2 Figure 1a, c). For example, in HadCRUT4 the trend is 0.04ºC per decade over 1998–2012, compared to 0.11ºC per decade over 1951–2012.” http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter09_FINAL.pdf Warming overstated by a factor of two http://www.pnas.org/content/110/6/2058.abstract I just want to know how 0.11C warming per decade since 1951 will equal a net total of 2C, 3C, 4C, 5C, or 6C warming by 2100, given that the current trend for the past ~20 years has been 0.04C. At 0.11C per decade we're looking at ~1.6C by 2100, and less than that if the current 0.04C trend continues much longer. This is well below the "2C" limit that everyone is wringing their hands over. That is a brief intro, tons more if you're interested...
common senseMay 17, 2015 8:49 pm
Climategate actually was just some right wingers trying to make something out of nothing. A follow-up found that all that horrible stuff actually didn't really happen.
common senseMay 17, 2015 8:48 pm
Oh really. I was not aware that climate change [which is happening and not a political movement by the way] has its own purpose. Sheeesh.
common senseMay 17, 2015 8:47 pm
Uh... what hard facts? I challenge you to actually look at the data and reports yourself from NASA, NOAA, the IPCC and other places. Of course since these all are basically governmental funded or controlled, they are part of the global conspiracy to take all your money, global socialism and ... ;-(
ppiaseckMay 17, 2015 6:39 pm
Goes to show just how intelligent Doug is, keep spewing your intolerant hatred, A recent study by Yale Law professor Dan M. Kahan indicates that members of the Tea Party are slightly more scientifically literate than the general non-Tea Party affiliated population.
Snoot MagruderMay 17, 2015 5:13 pm
Liberals are so easily fooled. The DNC refers to these as their loyal "useful idiots"
Rich JonesMay 17, 2015 2:29 pm
All you talk about is emotions and politics. Science has NOTHING to do with either.
Bob BinghamMay 17, 2015 3:15 am
If Europe were to join this pact with China and India then it would include half the worlds population and the bulk of it wealth. It would also include governments that recognise the problem and are dedicated to act on a solution. European and Chinese citizens emit about 6 tons of CO2 a year and Indian about 1.5 tons and an American about 20 tons so there is a lot of work to be done .http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/climate-threats.html
D. SelfMay 17, 2015 1:38 am
If we were heading toward a disaster all the Economic powers would stop AGW grants and put the money in to Renewable energy research. But no the answer is a carbon market and what the carbon market will do is make the investment banks, political elites, and a group of companies rich while hammering the middle class. You stupid liberals need to wake up and quit believing everything your leaders (Like Gruber) are telling you.
PenoceaMay 16, 2015 10:07 pm
Could climate credits have stopped the floods that killed millions in China before the Industrial Revolution? What is the perfect world's climate that will prevent severe weather? Centuries ago, Florida was underwater. Was this due to fossil fuels?
RichWallMay 16, 2015 9:18 pm
A 'Cap and Trade' Tax increase denier is not a Global Warming denier. I mean a Climate Change denier...err I mean Climate Disruption denier.
Abe7May 16, 2015 8:10 pm
How do you spell "fuduciary" again? I mean spell it correctly.
John HaganMay 16, 2015 5:25 pm
Since you asked... The article above contains the statement that global warming "continues unabated". The definition of abate is to "reduce in degree or intensity", so that assertion is demonstrably false. In fact, there might be disagreement regarding its significance, but the data clearly shows that global warming has proceeded more slowly in recent years. According to the "science behind the deniers" this isn't surprising at all. The actual direct warming effect of doubling CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is about 1.2C. Anything above that relies on feedbacks, primarily from water vapor, that exacerbate CO2's influence on temperature. Those are hypothetical, having never been observed or quantified, and can't properly be called science until we know that they actually occur. There are many ways that changes in the water cycle could manifest themselves without actually increasing global temperature. After Hurricane Katrina there were articles by climate scientists that claimed that it was just the vanguard of a new regime of superstorms in the Atlantic. Trenberth, head of NCAR, wrote an article for Scientific American that expressed complete certainty in that belief based on the simple "high school physics" relationship between heat and evaporation. Obviously the 10 years following Katrina proved that appeals to basic science are flawed when you're dealing with a complex stochastic system like the Earth's climate. Climate science wants to predict the future temperature of the Earth using simplistic assumptions. "Deniers" don't generally quibble with the notion that CO2 can increase global temperature but the insistence that anything about future climate states can be known with 95% certainty is nonsense. Also there are blatant attempts to politicize the science with calls for a $100 Billion per year commitment for "climate justice" and that solutions must include "gender equality" as a consideration. This makes this look less like a looming catastrophe and more like a grab for money, prestige and power.
deekamanMay 16, 2015 4:12 pm
Then why do the observations not match the predictions? Not even close? Skeptics aren't stupid. Far from it.
deekamanMay 16, 2015 4:11 pm
Perhaps it is because the observations don't match the hype. And as the hate toward skeptics becomes more malevolent, more threatening, perhaps skeptics wonder why they are told to sit down and shut up. "The science is settled". That's not science. If science was settled, we would still be talking "Earth, Air, Fire and Water". "The debate is over". What debate? Where? Who was involved? You want to know why skeptics are skeptic? There ya go.
deekamanMay 16, 2015 4:06 pm
Could it be that as scientists see the observed failing to match the predicted that they have considered the possibility they might not be 100% correct? Nah!
Dutchman61May 16, 2015 3:03 pm
And that is why self identified Liberals/socialist are more than twice as likely as Conservatives to be riding a shrink's coach.
Liam ThomasMay 16, 2015 2:35 pm
Lets say we totally stop buring fossil fuels....Today. Zip, zero, NADA. NO MORE. NONE.....okay now what? How are we going to eat? Create much of anything. Make medicines. Remember most of our manufacturing is done with petroleum based products....now we have NONE because we stopped using fossil fuels as in petroleum. So how do we eat? Really. Windmills and solar panels are going to feed us....AWESOME......someone tell me how exactly that works.
George KimballMay 16, 2015 11:55 am
"These things" happen just as they have always happened since long before humans walked the planet. There is nothing even remotely unusual about the temperatures or changes that exist today. The burden of proof lies with the GW crowd, not the skeptics. Calling them 'deniers' is rhetoric to hide something so fundamental.
George KimballMay 16, 2015 11:48 am
The roots of belief in GW are quite well understood: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to dominate it." --H.L. Mencken
George KimballMay 16, 2015 11:46 am
I suggest you look at both the makeup of the Tea Party and the content of GW research BEFORE you presume to judge either.
socalpaMay 16, 2015 9:05 am
Well, the NOAA data since 1997 shows planetary biomass growing at 3% per decade based on the known C02 emissions rates and measured atmospheric concentrations.. This matches the growth of plant life visible in the satellite images NASA reported in Earth Observatory (6% increase over 20 year period ) .Further, NASA reports an 11% increase in Desert foliage worldwide .(since 1981). And Deserts are least and least affected by added C02 . - This "insulation" ,C02, stops increasing its effects after a 20% increase but its positive effect on plant life continues to grow. - Deforestation ceased in the Western world a generation ago . There is some improvement in developing countries ,but they have far to go . - Don't Panic !
g_sorosMay 16, 2015 3:53 am
The 18 years hiatus has done its job on the CO2/warming hypothesis. By 2020 it will be to late for almost anyone to give it any credence. The next step for the hoaxers may be to began explaining the hiatus as the result of the valiant work being done to lower CO2 output and work actually caused the hiatus.
HerbMay 16, 2015 3:22 am
Me thinks that you don't know much about science. First of the climatologists in this article are not trying to prove a theory. Instead they are using statistical forecasting and time-series analysis in order to make projections about future climate scenarios. More generally , the level of coordination, organizational expertise and discipline needed to consistently dupe the public and the rest of the scientific community (these are peer reviewed articles, remember) is simply implausible. After a review of 11,944 distinct scientific publications on climate change from 1991-2011, the authors found that 97.1% of those papers that took a position on the matter endorsed anthropogenic global warming. Again, to get that kind of consensus through deceit would require secrecy and coordination that far exceed the capabilities of mere academics.
mfd docMay 16, 2015 2:44 am
Since you have this all "figured out", attacking those who disagree like any good little liberal that you are rather than sticking to the facts, why don't you explain to me which study (s) you are citing which have convinced you that the correlation between CO2 and an increase in the average temperature is statistically significant....this by the way, is the ONLY means of scientifically demonstrating that what you support, AGW, occurs. Otherwise, you are just another liberal who attacks the opponent rather than the idea.
mfd docMay 16, 2015 2:38 am
What is happening, 15 years with no appreciable increase in average temperature? Yes there is a modest linear correlation between average temperature increase and the increase of ambient CO2. "Correlation does not demonstrate causation", a paradigm of bio-statistics which applies in this case. It is up to the alarmists to show, through studies and statistical analysis, that this correlation is in fact causation. The truth is, they cannot show that relationship, or level of confidence. Most honest Pro-warmist scientists admit that readily, that is one reason they are "timid".
bloozedaddyMay 16, 2015 2:14 am
If you can't spell "sceptics"....I'm probably not gonna take you very seriously.
mike flanaganMay 16, 2015 1:53 am
We are all witnesses to the fall of 3% in the past year's coal consumption in China and have faith in the projected further decline of 6% slated for 2015-16 by China. Together with their rapid expansion of alternative energy sources for their electricity sector and increasing regulation of emissions from other sectors we can have faith China will actively cultivate and contribute to a sustainable future. Conversely India's actions do not display the same commitments their leaders verbalise and spin to the world's forums and media. India is an active participant in the Australian Abbott Governments deliberate procrastination and obstruction in many arenas to avert climate change, evidenced by their encouraging inter government partnership to open a green fields coal mining program in the Queensland Galilee Basin offering the prospects of recovering over 60 Billion tonnes of highly pollutant coal, in an obdurate display of environmental vandalism threatening the survival of the internationally recognised iconic Great Barrier Reef as collateral damage. Modi's appeasing words of comfort may ingratiate him with leaders around the world, but will quickly be assessed as meaningless and will fall on deaf ears if he is unable to back his soothing 'agenda' with actions, and his actions to abort the development of the Galilee Basin might add some credence to his communique.
NickMay 16, 2015 1:05 am
"...pro global warming people..." Huh? what is a "pro global warming" person?
ManoftheRepublicMay 16, 2015 12:07 am
Like the article yesterday.. The reason for the increased sea ice in the Antarctic is because of weather variability but the reason for decrease sea ice in the Arctic is because of global warming,, True believers just change the language to suit what they want you to believe
RWGEOMay 15, 2015 11:54 pm
"Lewandowsky himself was the target of a coordinated and successful campaign to have a paper on climate sceptics withdrawn from the Frontiers Journal in 2013." First of all, it's skeptics. Second of all, isn't it convenient that every scientist or paper that agrees with your bias is taken as the holy grail of truth whereas any scientist or paper that you disagree with is dismissed immediately. So when a paper is retracted all of a sudden there is some conservative conspiracy against AGW proponents, too funny. Have any of you stopped and considered how poor a paper must be to get retracted? The vast majority of academic publications are incorrect in some regard, but they don't get retracted because the paper is still valuable is some way and the methodology was sound. Having a paper retracted means that so many aspects of your paper were biased and erroneous that the journal is too embarrassed to have it attached to their name.
RWGEOMay 15, 2015 11:46 pm
What things?
slycatMay 15, 2015 11:36 pm
Climategate is just other right wing scam that as already been proven false. You lack of knowledge on that subject proves you know very little or are lying on purpose. Either way your post is total garbage.
Utes1May 15, 2015 11:35 pm
The science is something called the "scientific method." The scientific method demands that there be skepticism. You should have learned that in science 101, and possibly in high school science. When people say that there should be no skepticism of the science theory, then something is incredibly wrong. That goes for any scientific theory.
Utes1May 15, 2015 11:33 pm
Because some scientists look at global warming with skepticism, they are being accused of "cowing" to the global warming "deniers," instead of looking at the whole thing with skepticism, as the scientific method demands. Who, exactly, are the ones trying to pressure these scientists? Obviously, the ones that think they have to tow the line on global warming, instead of the ones that say that the scientific method should be used. Yes, that's right. The global warming crowd is accusing us of doing what they, in fact, are doing.
slycatMay 15, 2015 11:33 pm
Just clueless. Using a debunked theory proves that you are 100% wrong. You are the person whom the article is referring too.
George KimballMay 15, 2015 11:21 pm
Good grief, what an embarrassment - this is one of the most slanted articles I have ever seen. Nowhere is there even a suggestion that skeptics are anything but dangerous loonies. The piety about scientific standards only applies to those scientists who must resist pressure to give false hope - and not to skeptics ? The very idea that skeptics dominate the debate is beyond asinine. The whole topic is driven by partisans in the IPCC, abetted by the highly placed poltical liars who cite "97% agreement" from one study so idiotic it should never have seen daylight - except of course that it supports the liberal agenda. Eternal vigilance... "The desire to save humanity is almost always a false front for the desire to dominate it" --H.L. Mencken
beancrispMay 15, 2015 11:19 pm
Every time there is an article on climate change you can be assured there will be comments from people who have been brainwashed by the Watermelons.
WakeMay 15, 2015 11:10 pm
Why would the UK be the one most concerned? Sea Level rise? So far the Earth is on track to have the same level by 2100 that was the norm for Christopher Columbus. And that would be with most of the low level glaciers melted since they were formed between 1600 and 1650 in the Little Ice Age. Where would any more sea level rise come from? Actually nowhere. The glaciers on the Antarctic Continents aren't going to melt despite the hew and cry. Would the UK be more worried about somehow worsening weather? In the first place I can't think of anywhere in the world with worse weather than the British Isles. Hell, even the Roman turned tail and ran after a summer there. Not to mention that warming weather would moderate weather extremes
WakeMay 15, 2015 11:00 pm
In other words - those evil deniers are changing the interpretation of the few available facts so that the claims of AGW aren't expressed as proven facts. I worked on the mechanization of Polymerase Chain Reaction which was developed by Dr. Kary Mullis and was used to isolate HIV which is believed to cause AIDS. After he developed this extremely complex biochemical analytical method which is used to read DNA patterns he made the mistake of asking - where is the proof that HIV causes AIDS? No one had any answer. They said - it's proven science. "OK," said he, "if that is the case where is the papers citing the evidence?" None came to light. Everyone KNEW that the HIV caused AIDS and it was an open and shut case. Upon looking deeper into it himself he discovered that HIV is a COMMON virus whereas AIDS is not. He started asking more and more questions and while giving a talk at a seminar on AIDS he was actually kicked off of the stage for asking WHY people thought that HIV caused AIDS. He found that NO ONE could get ANY funding for ANY research that was trying to find ANY other cause for AIDS. This is EXACTLY the case in climate change. No one that even so much as suggests that climate change may not be occurring has their funding stripped from them immediately. The Federal government grants disappear. The university positions for research disappear. So the ONLY people that can get large scale research funding are those trying to PROVE climate change and not those seeking to find the truth. This is where the idiotic myth of CO2 causing global warming came from. Well DUHHHH everyone KNOWS CO2 is a "greenhouse gas"! This despite the fact that the temperature of this planet and ALL of the weather systems are controlled by one thing - WATER in it's three phases on this our water planet. Life formed and evolved on this planet when it had an atmosphere of 50% CO2 and we're being led to believe that a couple of parts per million will cause global catastrophe. Or as the first chairman of the IPCC said, "If we don't predict crisis no one will listen to us."
TroyMay 15, 2015 10:59 pm
Liberals have symptoms of stupidity that knows no bounds. For 40 years they've promised this and that and never delivered on those promises. When that simple fact is thrown in their faces, they quickly blame someone or something else for all of their spectacular failures. you know, because they think they are oh so intelligent.
j_reayMay 15, 2015 10:24 pm
Republicans have solved climate change in the United States....they made it illegal.
realistic4UMay 15, 2015 10:20 pm
What's the science behind the deniers? These things are happening for no reason at all seems to sum it up.
MichMikeMay 15, 2015 10:17 pm
The personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the actual average / person. Not too surprising to anyone. But do you realize this means this small group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL (that's right, ALL) U. S. CO2 emissions. Can any of you explain why the plans being proposed by the AGW folks, the president, and his party will allow this small group to continue to spew CO2 unabated (remaining THE PROBLEM, right?) while financially hammering the lower income and middle classes. This seems the OPPOSITE of all the president's rhetoric on so many subjects, so if any of you could explain this it might just save the planet, for it is an emergency (just not for the ruling elites). THANKS!
SchmidlackMay 15, 2015 10:02 pm
The root cause of the denial is not widely understood. Conservatives have symptoms of paranoia and one of them is that they think someone, government in particular, is out to get them. It is a well known symptom. Their whole ideology is fear-driven. It is inherited in their DNA from evolution and is almost entirely sub-conscious. It is really simple. They make stuff up to deny and attempt to discredit the science of AGW because they think government is out to get them, it has nothing at all to do with the science. It is the same reason they hate the ACA and always want to cut taxes, shrink government, reduce spending and regulations. All these things have a common denominator and it is irrational because they put these false signals ahead of the well-being of people. And of course it is worldwide. Vladimir Putin, militants in the middle-east, the Iranian regime, and one of the most obvious, the North Korean regime - all paranoid and all think someone is out to get them. And their actions address their irrational fears at the expense of their own people. Think how much better the world would be if we could get them to acknowledge why they think the way they do.
Doug RasmussenMay 15, 2015 9:58 pm
The Tea Party phenomenon opened the door to every low intelligence and proud ignorant to present that their beliefs were not only equal to, but superior to people who spend years learning and researching. When Senator Inhofe can throw a showball onto the senate floor and this constitutes a heroic refutation of trillions of gigabytes of research, we as a nation have transitioned from one that respected education, science and fact to one where the arbiter of truth lies in a Fox News commenter.
BIll TestonMay 15, 2015 9:56 pm
Hahahah sceptics. If you're going to be holier than thou. have someone smarter than you proofread your article.
Dutchman61May 15, 2015 9:51 pm
The problem is the facts do not support the Climate changer AKA global warmers. They are ducking confrontations because the critics show up with hard facts and all the pro global warming people have are computer models that are further off every year. IF they had the hard facts to support the theory, we would see them crucify the critics. The climate changer/global warmers don't have the hard data which is why they are starting to run for cover. It is that simple.
BIll TestonMay 15, 2015 9:47 pm
No, but they're amused by morons that can't spell....
Graywolf12May 15, 2015 9:41 pm
It is hard to believe climate change when Christina Figueres, a UN Exec. VP states that the purpose of climate change and sustainability is to bankrupt the USA.
JamesMay 15, 2015 9:35 pm
Where there is smoke there is fire. Ever hear of climategate? My guess is they are afraid of what happens when the rest of the world catches on to the scam. We know it's a scam and you know it's a scam.
ccMay 15, 2015 9:34 pm
Gee, do you think the sceptics are cowed much by Grivalja-McCarthyite inquisitions?
climatehawk1May 15, 2015 8:42 pm
The headline, unfortunately, supports the denier meme that cutting carbon will be harmful to economies. Could have talked about coal's decline and increases in other energy sources instead.
David RiceMay 15, 2015 8:41 pm
"Are climate scientists cowed by sceptics?" No: almost all scientists are sceptics! Nor are we cowed by deniers. Are climate scientists cowed by sceptics? Are climate scientists cowed by sceptics?" "
Jeanne DevineMay 15, 2015 8:34 pm
Climate change requires that we reduce production as well as demand for fossil fuels. In developed countries, reducing the demand for consumer products can perhaps happen only through a people's environmental movement and the UN can help. Political candidates should be queried how they plan to reverse air pollution, water shortages, land destruction; all levels of government can use public media to promote "green" and sustainable living and tax corporations which promote climate warming - domestically or in foreign markets. We all need to promote the positive (e.g. organic and urban gardening, low-gas or electric cars, residential solar, public transportation, healthier life styles.)
Tom ServoMay 15, 2015 7:13 pm
"Global Warming" is the new Hellfire and Brimstone religion for people who think they're too smart to fall for a Hellfire and Brimstone religion. "REPENT YE, REPENT YE, O YE SINNERS, OR YE SHALL ALL PERISH IN FLAME!!! AND GIVE US ALL YOUR MONEY TO PROVE YE ARE WORTHY OF SALVATION!!! REPENT YE, O REPENT YE!!!" it's the same old game as always.
Steven CohenMay 15, 2015 5:20 pm
The cost of ignoring worsening CC will be far greater than the cost of switching a portion of fossil fuel energy over to renewable sources. Costs of renewables are dropping fast and will actually be cheaper than existing fossil fuels.
Steven CohenMay 15, 2015 5:16 pm
Everyone will be affected in some way by worsening climate change. Public opinion in the rich nations is changing toward supporting a climate deal.
Bob BinghamMay 15, 2015 4:13 am
As long as the major fossil fuel producers are included in the talks their will never be a satisfactory agreement to curb CO2 emissions. The best solution would be for Europe,China and India form a group which would hold half of the worlds population and adopt policies and joint co-operation to work on the problem. The USA,Canada.Australia and Russia are all committed coal and oil producers and will protect their business interests and hinder meaningful talks. http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/1/post/2014/11/un-climate-change-negotiations.html
Nita ShaferMay 14, 2015 8:12 pm
"Use of the polluting fuel" See the writers Political Agenda shining thru. HACK
BIll TestonMay 14, 2015 3:58 pm
The UN, in the history of forever, has NEVER done anything useful. What makes them qualified to make these kinds of decisions? Maybe they can write the planet a harshly worded letter.
MHoskinsonMay 14, 2015 3:39 pm
I'm sorry to be so rude but that is one of the dumbest things i've heard in awhile, i'm hoping you're kidding.
MichaelMay 14, 2015 1:11 pm
You have to be kidding!!!
B Kawsi SedsoMay 14, 2015 12:54 pm
In what alternate reality can an increase in the cost of energy lead to economic growth?
averagejoe72677May 14, 2015 12:23 pm
"Paris climate deal to boost global economic growth, says Figueres" --- With your money in the form of a carbon tax. This has absolutely nothing to do with climate and everything to do with scamming money, any fool can see right through these clowns.
JimKMay 14, 2015 11:08 am
The UN’s top climate official says a proposed agreement to tackle global warming in the making will protect economic growth as it wipes out greenhouse gas emissions. If you believe that, I have some ocean front property in Montana to sell you...
MAC615May 14, 2015 10:58 am
The Nimby (not imy backyard) and Banana (build abosultly nothing near anybody) crowds like the Kennedys will shut it down.
Lance1234May 14, 2015 6:19 am
This has nothing to do with a nonexistent man made global warming. But, it would get the redistribution of the wealth of the citizens of developed nations headed to the rest of the world with control of the worldwide economy managed for the good of the one world Collective by the self-appointed Elites, which is all this has ever been about.
PaleoPhysicistMay 14, 2015 4:59 am
False premise. There is no economic theory that predicts an increase in output given an uncompensated restriction in motive force. Violates laws of thermodynamics, as well. It is all political babble without foundation.
GoldenBoysMay 14, 2015 3:23 am
This woman is an ultra Leftist who wants one thing and one thing only: To use "Climate Change" as an excuse for massive International Income Redistribution...And if Obama gets his way, she will.
I.m. OvineMay 14, 2015 2:34 am
If you were to say that the plan comes with health insurance that only cost you as much as your phone bill, then I am sure the American People will sign on to it.
GuyBBMay 14, 2015 2:16 am
Oh, yeah! Government planned economies have such a great track record! Let's go with their plan! Then, we can watch as the world economy collapses under the weight of the graft and corruption, as efficiency plummets, and soon everyone will be Third World, and burning wood to stay warm.
Gil GilliamMay 14, 2015 1:12 am
Please help me understand this article. What is a "climate activist"? Someone who thinks we should have a climate? What is a "climate denier"? Someone who denies we have a climate? Not much good comes from gobble-de-gook labels being used in place of rational thought.
FlyovermanMay 14, 2015 12:55 am
If these zealots had their way, they would reduce us to a pre-industrial state. They have no anchor anywhere in the real world.
Tom ServoMay 13, 2015 6:56 pm
Guess what, Enviro's - Obama was just using you for your votes! He never actually believed any of your nonsense and here's a newsflash - neither does anybody else in power, either. You're only useful in so far as you can be gullibly co-opted in giving them your votes, and after that. who cares what you think? Not Obama, that's for sure. Wait for it - here it comes - Oooh! The Sweet, Sweet, Tears of Unfathomable Sadness! Chumps.
jabusseMay 13, 2015 6:55 pm
. Looking at the idiots on the other side climate denial is a badge of honor. When you see a warmist wearing plastic glasses frames and a polyester shirt talk to anyone about their responsibility to not use oil or look for more it should make you laugh. Then when they talk of science you know they are not only warmists they are god-like conclusionists that form a conclusion prior to thinking about anything. And they wonder why they have little or no credibility.
Lorcan BondaMay 13, 2015 6:38 pm
Almost everybody is a denier of some aspect of the climate. Most people are in denial about the changes people will need to make and the resulting destruction of the middle class.
GuyBBMay 13, 2015 6:23 pm
Far easier to simply put a heat source at the bottom of the abyssal plain, and cause an upwelling of the nutrient rich waters. Best to do it far from land, and in effect, turn a part of the mid-ocean, into the artificial equivalent of a sea mount.
Andrew H MackayMay 13, 2015 4:33 pm
99% of people do not understand that there is essentially two kinds of generated electricity. Over 94% of the world's generation is thermal generation where the primary function of the power station is to raise steam by either burning something or by splitting atoms (nuclear fission). The steam is then used to turn steam turbines which, in turn, generates what is known in the trade as 'firm power' is is delivered or dispatched 24-7; it is this 'firm' electricity that keeps the lights on and, ironically, is induced onto the windings of wind generators that allows them to generate random unfirm electricity when the wind blows. The problem with wind, wave and tidal generators is that the generation is random and unpredictable with the former two and intermittent and predictable with the latter. This is known as 'wrong time' electricity in the trade although the general public is unlikely to hear this industry term spoken in public. Jesse's idea is a good one but, it too, will have 'null points' where the tides on both sides will reach equilibreum perhaps up to 4 times a day. The only way forward is to use these 'cold' intermitent renewable resources to generate heat from their kinetic and potential energies like Gentec WaTS
California TaxpayerMay 13, 2015 4:32 pm
How about a Sea Water Peaker During the night pump sea water into a high reservoir and then at the peak time of the day use the water to generate power In California The Edison Company uses water during the day to generate and then pumps it back at night to re-use over again (However with the massive drought this practice will soon discontinue)
Scottish ScientistMay 13, 2015 3:41 pm
Congratulations to Secretary Rudd on her appointment. From a Scottish point of view, our most urgent concern is the threat to Scottish security of electricity supply looming with the unwelcome premature closure of Longannet coal-fired power station, targeted for closure by Scottish Power specifically because it has been made particularly unprofitable among UK coal-fired power stations by the National Grid's unfair transmission charging regime which imposes higher charges upon all Scottish generators. BBC: "Longannet power station to close next year" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-32016538 The SNP have identified the problem but do not have a solution as yet. SNP: "Transmission charges damaging energy sector" http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2015/mar/transmission-charges-damaging-energy-sector The SNP need advice and I'm giving the SNP my advice. If Longannet is not saved the threat to security of electricity supply in Scotland requires me to advise the SNP and the Scottish government as follows - 1) to direct its law officers to seek a court order from the Scottish courts to outlaw the excessive National Grid transmission charges imposed on Longannet and 2) to nationalise Longannet, take it into Scottish public ownership which would seriously challenge the authority of the UK over energy policy in Scotland. In other words, if Amber Rudd does not deal with this urgently via talks with Ofgem and the National Grid with a view to equalising their charges for all coal-fired power stations so as not to uniquely disadvantage Longannet, so we can keep Longannet open so long as it is needed for security of supply then we Scots cannot concede primacy over energy policy to the UK for purely practical reasons, irrespective of our views about Scottish independence, because mounting UK incompetence would make Scottish independence, in this area of policy anyway, an urgent need to keep the lights on in Scotland. My advice to Amber Rudd is to act with urgency to save Longannet, otherwise we Scots will have to take the matter into our own hands. Scottish Scientist Independent Scientific Adviser for Scotland https://scottishscientist.wordpress.com/
BeautifulmanclubMay 13, 2015 3:24 pm
Yeah, but you fail to mention that capitalism inherently hates us all.
George CharronMay 13, 2015 2:09 pm
I believe it is highly likely we can reduce the excess carbon dioxide in our atmosphere and manage as well as reverse the effects of global warming with tools and technology available today. Since the mixing of cold and warm waters in the oceans causes plankton to grow, All that would be needed in the short term is to break apart ice in the subpolar regions to increase it's melt rate near the origin of cold water currents throughout the world. In the North Pacific the US government already has glaciers in Glacier National Park AK that the US military could use explosives and/or bunker buster bombs to break apart so they cool water flowing into the ocean where the California current originates. Such an act would increase the amount of cold water available in those currents, that combined with the very warm CO2 laden ocean water already in the ocean would cause an increase in plankton growth. The plankton would absorb CO2 from the atmosphere and turn it into oxygen as well as speeding their growth rate and feeding smaller fish that would feed larger and larger fish leading to an increase in biomass in the ocean. The increased flow of cold water down the CA coast should cause an increase in rainfall in the central valley of CA and help avert the severe drought conditions that exist there right now. Such action should also be taken at the origin of the Alaska, Oyashio, Labrador, East Greenland, and other currents where glaciers or other ice mass's exist near the origination of cold water currents. George R. Charron Jr.
yusa1929May 13, 2015 2:00 pm
Is there any data on the potential effect on rainfall patterns caused by wind farms?
Jesse StanleyMay 12, 2015 8:26 pm
Auckland faces two oceans and has large tides. A bore hole between them with a turbine would provide a massive amount of power.
MrL0g1cMay 12, 2015 5:08 pm
Good grief, so much ignorance and wrongness from a man that wants to run the country.
RphoffMay 12, 2015 12:06 pm
Which is it, not enough ice, as the article above says, or too much ice as this other article from yahoo news says? Below are quotes from a new article called "Record Antarctic sea ice a logistic problem for scientists" on yahoo news dated May 12, 2015. "Growing sea ice surrounding Antarctica could prompt scientists to consider relocating research stations on the continent, according to the operations manager of the Australian Antarctic Division." "sea ice around Antarctica was increasing. It hit a new record in September last year, with the US-based National Snow and Ice Data Center reporting that the ice averaged 20.0 million square kilometres (7.72 million square miles) during the month." "Local conditions can also have a dramatic effect, with icebergs sometimes unpredictably grounding themselves in inconvenient locations and staying there for years as more sea ice builds around them."
RphoffMay 12, 2015 11:59 am
Quotes from a new article called "Record Antarctic sea ice a logistic problem for scientists" on yahoo news dated May 12, 2015. "Growing sea ice surrounding Antarctica could prompt scientists to consider relocating research stations on the continent, according to the operations manager of the Australian Antarctic Division." "sea ice around Antarctica was increasing. It hit a new record in September last year, with the US-based National Snow and Ice Data Center reporting that the ice averaged 20.0 million square kilometres (7.72 million square miles) during the month." "Local conditions can also have a dramatic effect, with icebergs sometimes unpredictably grounding themselves in inconvenient locations and staying there for years as more sea ice builds around them."
@Mbr_EvOMay 12, 2015 10:07 am
We at CapGlobalCarbon share the understanding that a carbon tax will not be sufficient to halt climate change, yet the 5 recommendations do not make sure that the unburnable fossil fuels stay in the ground. We need to lower the rate at which fossil fuels leave the ground, not the burn-rate. We have devised a simple mechanism that does just that: put a science-based cap on the amount of fossil fuels extracted on a yearly basis. If interested I can write an article on the CapGlobalCarbon scheme to move beyond a carbon price. More information can be found on www.capglobalcarbon.org
HonhereeMay 11, 2015 7:32 pm
Questions: We are experience a greening of the planet and increased plant yields due to CO2 rising from 288 ppm pre-industrial period to currently 403 ppm (NOAA & Scripps). What would IPCC wish the CO2 level to be....back to 288ppm (if we could achieve that), and reduce plant yield and greening of the planet? Or would they wish CO2 to be <200 ppm and start to totally kill off plants which rely on CO2 as food? I would really like a scientific answer, as I understand humans are only responsible for 3.2% of CO2 in the atmosphere ie only 12 ppm. If we stopped burning coal, oil, peat, wood, animal dung, killed off the farting cows and banned human farting and thus achieved this we would only be at 391 ppm CO2. For what? and at what cost?
ActtorneyatliarMay 11, 2015 4:20 pm
Figueures is a radical socialist who idealizes the world's chief CO2 polluter - communist China - as being the best model to implement worldwide. That should tell all thinking people what her political views and actual agenda in pressing the lib-liars' AGW scam really are - even had she not already admitted what they are, which she did. Australia is but the whistleblower telling the world the truth about Figueres' and other UN radicals' plan of employing warm-mongering fear as the hook for corralling the masses of the free world into their totalitarian liberal elitist controlled new world order. Unfortunately for them, not everyone is a gullible liberal lemming who believes everything that warm-mongering paid talking heads tell them without researching real science on the issue, and paying attention to the just plain obvious truth.
Drb-May 11, 2015 6:43 am
Im working on it more than you know Jolly old St. Nick, soon that ice playground in the arktic will be all water, only a slushy snow man :-(
Drb-May 11, 2015 6:42 am
It wil FEEL LIKE VENUS to anyone by then if this is left unchecked. Venus is largely a humid, super steam planet, with lottsa electrical superstorms. Hot enough in the day to melt lead.... wanna live to anything even close?
Drb-May 11, 2015 6:39 am
Oh its the nut case from Deliverance again... Venus is rhetorical Mr. WWF... it will FEEL LIKE VENUS to you in that wrassling ring!
sanibonaniMay 10, 2015 3:23 pm
Some men have the hubris to think they can do anything they like to the planet and nothing will change.
sanibonaniMay 10, 2015 3:19 pm
There is more CO2 now, and there are 12.5 million trees dead in California because of the drought. CO2 is not the only component for plant life. It is a balance that provides all of the necessary components including temperature.
MinhMay 10, 2015 7:19 am
What great is a world economy that embraces a model of limitless profits on a planet with limited resources? Global warming *will* be a distant memory--if we kill ourselves by making the world uninhabitable.
PluviALMay 10, 2015 5:17 am
Bob B, it is time for the world's leaders to grow up. There are solutions, one of them is for responsible nations to unite under a different banner than the UN. I can imagine all kinds of structures that could create a powerful proactive group. Then the lawyers will have nothing to fight. It will be defined accordingly. So it can be done, we just have to have the wisdom, strength, and stamina to imagine correct solutions.
dan wipperMay 10, 2015 2:56 am
Chas; This depends on what one considers cold enough. It varies depending on what source is interpreting it. We have had 8 in the last million years and periods vary in themselves.
dan wipperMay 10, 2015 2:48 am
We spend billions of documented tax payer dollars for nothing but "weather" fear mongering. So your "big corporations" profit while idiots think that our bought and paid for politicians are on their side. Makes me want to hug a tree, NOT. Its a TAX stupid, for us, not for corporations. And they tell you to blindly help them and,,, you do. Reginold, you point at some FACTICIOUS money while BILLIONS of real documented money is being swindled right out from our pockets. Smart move ace.
dan wipperMay 10, 2015 2:34 am
I think 53 years of living near Chicago has taught me what winter is. Note; our great lakes have frozen over the last two years too. This is not normal and depicts the colder winter and summers we have had. Our climate have both always changed phlemming and its been heading back cold again like it did after the 1940's. We were warming and thankful for it. The cold sucked and its been trying to come back. It has killed many in recent history if you care to study.
Peter AntonocciMay 9, 2015 11:00 pm
absolute idiocy. this money will be squandered, stolen, doled out to friends of those in charge, and the little that is left will go to useless projects that will soon be forgotten. they will be laughing at us fools all the way to their off-shore bank accounts, as china builds 2 new coal fired electrical generating stations every week. naturally, these jokers won't give a peep about actual plans or ideas on what to spend the money on...just like obozocare, "we have to pass it to see what's in it!" (knowing snickers ensue)
400 ppm CO2May 9, 2015 10:26 pm
400 ppm CO2 means a climate not seen since at least millions of years. Add to that the rapid equilibrization and 440 nuclear reactors malfunctioning...
C.HestonMay 9, 2015 7:47 pm
See this is a secondary news site. No one cares anymore. They will not care until weather extremes and changes in ocean levels are severe. Too damn late.
Sunwyn RavenwoodMay 9, 2015 7:18 pm
What a lot of ignorant denialists there are here spewing the same pathetic lies. None of them is intelligent enough to even understand the article but they want to refute it.
Sunwyn RavenwoodMay 9, 2015 7:15 pm
I tried to share this and got a picture of a bunch of poor people standing in front of a shanty. What is going on?
Wayne GuilloryMay 9, 2015 6:48 pm
A comment has to be APPROVED to be posted here? Isn't that what everyone calls "CENSORSHIP"?
Wayne GuilloryMay 9, 2015 6:45 pm
I now agree that there is such a thing as "Climate Change" BUT, totally disagree with the left's claim that it's "man-made".
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:21 pm
It isn't. More lies.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:21 pm
That's because that activity is localized and confined to a very small are
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:20 pm
Provide a credible citation.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:20 pm
It could accelerate greatly.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:19 pm
That's because that volcano activity is localized and confined to a very small area
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:18 pm
That's because that activity is localized and confined to a very small are
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:18 pm
Another moronic comment.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:18 pm
Lie.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:18 pm
That's because that volcanic activity is localized and confined to a very small are
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:17 pm
That's because that activity is localized and confined to a very small are
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:16 pm
Your inference regarding runaway is simplistic and wrong.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:16 pm
Didn't read the article, did you? Half as much new ice in the east as is lost in the west. And the new ice production is only about 20% of that lost in the Arctic.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:14 pm
How idiotic are you, moron?
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:13 pm
Moronic nonsense. Provide peer reviewed citations supporting your nonsense, moron.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:12 pm
That's because that activity is localized and confined to a very small area.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:12 pm
Provide credible citations for your nonsense.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:11 pm
That's because that activity is localized and confined to a very small area.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:10 pm
Moronic nonsense.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:10 pm
Provide a credible source of Al Gore's predictions, moron. You haven't the intellectual capacity to comprehend what Marxism is, moron.
PhlemmingMay 9, 2015 6:08 pm
Moron, that is because the tipping point has already been passed. There is no way now to stave off the effects of GW. It is happening as this article, one of many, attests.
tarawabratMay 9, 2015 3:55 pm
"The last three warm cycles were around 2c higher than the present warming cycle. " The last 3 warm cycles happened when the sun was throwing off only 95% of present radiation. We're fucked. I hope you're living in a jurisdiction where firearms aren't readily available. When you hang yourself remember it works best if the cord is around the back of your neck, that's where it will put the most pressure on the carotid artery. If you're a real man you'll do your loved ones first with a heavy hammer to the back of the head.
tarawabratMay 9, 2015 3:51 pm
"Even the most alarmist of the alarmist climate "scientists" say that Earth could never turn into another Venus, yet Drb is so incredibly ignorant that he's predicting it's going to happen in 35 years." Bullshit. You don't need Venus type warming to make the Earth uninhabitable. A nice mild (compared to Venus) 80C at the poles would do that.
tarawabratMay 9, 2015 3:43 pm
Yeah, up to a point. Then the worm turns and bites you on the ass.
Rolf JanderMay 9, 2015 3:31 pm
Indeed. They will sit around drinking from their plastic water bottles. Coal and oil will keep burning and we will fry.
Snoot MagruderMay 9, 2015 2:26 pm
No mention of the volcanic activity below the West Antarctic responsible for the ice loss
john doeMay 9, 2015 1:40 pm
"At the same time, the ice sheet in East Antarctica had thickened – but the gain made up for only about half the ice lost from the west." Soooo - in the past they measured the "area" of ice and that was okay until.......it was noted that while in some spots the ice receded a bit but in other areas it was actually expanding. So now they "change the metric" to "weighing the ice" to support their conclusions. Rest assured - if in the future it is shown that the ice is once again "thickening" then they'll probably come up with yet another method to "measure the ice" to keep this ball rolling.
lizziteMay 9, 2015 12:35 pm
We could, but... here's the problem: while a windmill might power a house, it doesn't produce enough extra energy to build another windmill. In other words, the energy returns on renewable technologies are not very favorable. Somewhere between 10:1 and 1:1. (1:1 is, of course, no net gain whatsoever.) Compare to oil which returns around 100 units of energy for every one invested. You're pouring in resources and getting a trickle in return. Building this infrastructure to meet current energy demands would essentially take everything we've got, with nothing left over for motoring, heating, etc. And that's not even counting the shortages of silicon and neodymium and rare earths that will quickly happen in a scale-up scenario. There are also the long-term repair and replacement costs of panels, dams, and windmills. Of course, better to produce useful items to weather the coming energy crisis while we still can, than to churn out useless toys and gadgets. Just don't expect it to save civilization.
NickMay 9, 2015 12:32 pm
I'm not part of the "left", but it is not correct to say that renewables can't produce at least half of what we actually need. With advancing technologies in solar capture, biofuels generation, wind systems, wave systems, hydroelectric power, etc. we can provide much more than we are now. Additionally, since we waste vast amounts of the energy we consume, we could probably cut back 25 - 50% without any significant loss in the quality of life we enjoy now.
NickMay 9, 2015 12:22 pm
A struggling rural family, an elderly Christian on a small pension, a community shopkeeper and a Wall Street Banker are combined into one faceless enemy. So, the implication is that the "enemy" is the Wall Street Banker, Mr. Marshall? No doubt there are conservative Wall Street Bankers and liberal Wall Street Bankers that are equally concerned about climate change. Liberals and Conservatives in general are probably equally concerned about how we are changing the planet, as liberals and conservatives both live on it. And liberals and conservatives both understand that experts in the matter of climate and atmospheric sciences are in a better position to judge what's going on than the rest of us and therefore trust that what the experts publish is the best available information that modern science can produce. "But there was nothing, not even a word that so much as hinted that mainstream conservatives had a place alongside everyone in the climate struggle. " This is because you just assume that conservatives don't talk about the issue (probably because you never talk with conservatives) or are not concerned. Look at two of the most conservative religious (and the two largest) religious organizations in the nation: Roman Catholics and Southern Baptists. Go and find out what the official denominational policy is for each on the subject of AGW and climate change. Then you can eat your words, Mr. Marshall.
Paul FlowersMay 9, 2015 6:29 am
OK, any one with a third grade education knows that if you start stacking any material, snow, ice, dirt, or any thing else, eventually the bottom can no longer support the added weight and will collapse, this is not global warming, the very fact that it is increasing on one side is proof of that, do you really expect to to replace all of the collapsed areas at once? If you do, you really must be some kind of stupid.
doseofcommonsenseMay 9, 2015 5:25 am
Does anyone need any more proof that Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming theory is a religion?
jmokeMay 9, 2015 4:48 am
For decades now, those concerned about global warming have been predicting the so-called “tipping point” — the point beyond which it’ll be too late to stave off catastrophic global warming. It seems like every year the “tipping point” is close to being reached, and that the world must get rid of fossil fuels to save the planet. That is, until we’ve passed that deadline and the next such “tipping point” is predicted. Would you believe it was eight years ago today that the United Nations predicted we only had “as little as eight years left to avoid a dangerous global average rise of 2C or more.” This failed prediction, however, has not stopped the U.N. from issuing more apocalyptic predictions since. n the late 1980s the U.N. was already claiming the world had only a decade to solve global warming or face the consequences. The San Jose Mercury News reported on June 30, 1989 that a “senior environmental official at the United Nations, Noel Brown, says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000.” That prediction didn’t come true 15 years ago, and the U.N. is sounding the same alarm today.
GhawkerMay 9, 2015 4:37 am
Don't bother--we're smarter than that.
High5verMay 9, 2015 4:27 am
Hope this site will get lots more visitors in the future to help spread the truth about what the human race is up against. Time is running out for us to get policy and lawmakers to stop pandering to special interests and instead begin to help us meet the climate-change challenges we face.
MHoskinsonMay 9, 2015 3:55 am
Proving yet again that the people who push "global warming" have one major connection: their hatred for capitalism.
elkriverscottMay 9, 2015 3:11 am
The writers are democrats bent on sneaking Marxism into our lives. This computer modeling is wearing thin and by the way Mr. Gore's predictions are all wrong. All of them. Name one that isn't . This is not science kids, it's all politics.
EarnyourkeepMay 9, 2015 2:18 am
And while the scientists can’t yet say for certain that human-made climate change is the main cause - But you must give up your freedoms and money just to be sure. Don't listen to the Science Channel's main theme - "Question Everything"
BradAlbMay 9, 2015 1:42 am
Not a single mention of the volcanic activity under the West Antarctic ice sheet that is actually causing the unusual melt activity. I guess that fact doesn't support the Climate Cultists narrative that AGW is real and the source of anything bad that happens on the planet.
CgMay 8, 2015 10:56 pm
Ice doesn't melt until it warms up from say -40F to +32F. Global Ice warming had to start years before huge volumes of it began melting. Where are the records, the charts, the projections from say -40F, -20F, 0F, +20F, +40F predicting when the Ice started warming.. not when it started disappearing? Obviously we crossed the 32F line about 2006.
varkdriverMay 8, 2015 10:37 pm
Uh huh. A report way back in Dec 2013 talked about the discovery of underwater volcanoes under the ice sheet. But that was quickly quelled because I guess it doesn't fit the alarmist CO2 is a pollutant, green house gas, retainer of heat scenario.
Reginold HarrowMay 8, 2015 9:54 pm
Yeah, and the whole thing about aerosol canisters causing the hole in the ozone above Antarctica was a big hoax too, I think we should continue funding that.
Reginold HarrowMay 8, 2015 9:48 pm
Question. What do us climate-change believers benefit from believing in the world climate changing... It's a bunch of bad news for everyone. It means we have to change! It means we have to not be so wasteful and find alternatives to our destructive behaviors. Climate change denial though... That is profitable. A profitable excuse for big oil and coal companies to continue pretending that the mass amount of carbon they put into the air is "not dangerous at all!" and that we can continue destroying the world to their money pockets benefit.
Reginold HarrowMay 8, 2015 9:39 pm
It follows the Milankovitch Cycles which are just 3 cycles of the earth cycles such as its eccentricity, axial tilt and ocsillation. When these cycles happen at the same time, ice ages occur. Really cool actually.
WellArmedLambMay 8, 2015 9:36 pm
Brought to you from the same people that say aspartame in diet drinks is perfectly safe to drink....LMAO
JamesMay 8, 2015 9:32 pm
Stop lying to us. We know the truth. The ice is growing. We are entering the beginnings of a solar minimum. The bottom of the minimalist side of the cycle hits around 2031, meaning we can expect a cooling climate for the next 15 years or so.
Steven CohenMay 8, 2015 9:30 pm
Repubs want to cut NASA's earth science budget to prevent them from revealing the effects of man caused climate change which the Repubs refuse to acknowledge. The effects are happening anyway. Earth science research is needed to better plan for future climate change even if the research costs a modest amount of money.
SOSMay 8, 2015 9:06 pm
I read these articles all the time just to point out the silliness. What are the signs of Melting anywhere in Antarctica east or west it doesn't matter. In the 4th grade you learned that the colder it gets, the more it expands. after the Ice is pushed clear of and earthen foundation, the sheet breaks off and floats away. Which is just the opposite of "Melting". Melting at rate mentioned would be pictures of a river flowing into the sea, which of course it's too freaking cold for that to happen!! Show us a River of melted Ice!! You can't because there is none!
Tom ServoMay 8, 2015 8:45 pm
An honest assessment by the left must include an admission that a massive expansion of carbon free, nuclear power is the only possible solution to fossil fuel use. The technology just isn't there for so-called "renewables" to be able to generate more than a fraction of the power modern society needs. When faced with this hard fact, most of the left just starts mumbling its way into incoherence.
Guy EdwardsMay 8, 2015 8:23 pm
On April 18 the Climate and Development Lab at Brown University organized a panel entitled “Leader or Spoiler: Where next for Brazil’s Climate Policy?” Here's a recap of what was said: http://www.climatedevlab.org/home/dont-count-on-brazil-stepping-up-in-paris
David GosselinMay 8, 2015 7:42 pm
Ice melts every year with the normal annual weather changes. I see you mention increased snowfall, which adds to the ice pack. However, there is no talk of how much is added. And as it is added, the ice slides off the land from the added weight inland, pushing it down hill into the ocean where it breaks off in large chunks we all know as icebergs. Nothing new to report here, folks. This is all normal annual cycling, not the result of supposed man made global warming.
Glenn dorseyMay 8, 2015 7:09 pm
The term runaway would tend to suggest that at some point man had control of nature and all things frozen in Antarctica. Surely, this must be an overstatement. If it is not I would appreciate an explanation of the process.
David GreenMay 8, 2015 6:30 pm
Not because of anything mankind has done though. It's because of volcanic activity under the ice. Now why is this little detail not mentioned? Oh yeah, because it would completely negate the alarmists' narrative
BillMay 8, 2015 6:14 pm
Seems that RTCC comment policy is to hold all comments. I have pretty much stopped trying on their links except for hints like this.
Jim LaFayetteMay 8, 2015 6:06 pm
I'm shocked. This is the first I've heard of this.
mbee1May 8, 2015 6:01 pm
Why not get off the high horse of Climate scientists good and corporations and Koch brothers bad. I would like to read you comment on the actual science not how it is used to push agendas like this article. The actual science is available by googling it. You will have to spring for a few bucks unless you are a university person with an account. Why not google the UAH and RSS data, read it, pay no attention to the blah, just read the actual temperature data, it might cause you to rethink how science is used to push an agenda by both sides. You can see what the AGW side, the climate scientists say by googling the 2010 revision of the Giss data set, how they change the actual temperature to a computer generated temperatures simply because they feel in their bones it is wrong to be cooler. Than see how it is applied by NOAA, 2014 warmest per the director and the news, their own paper does not say that which you can read for yourself by googling it. At the same time November snow and ice cover was the 5th highest ever recorded in the Northern Hemisphere and in the southern hemisphere the antarctic ice was at record levels. Something is not right with the climate scientists you quote just like it was not right with the nuclear physicist guys who claimed they had found cold fusion.
mbee1May 8, 2015 5:49 pm
The writers of this junk cannot even get their stories straight. the last one said one million years. They cannot even admit that with record CO2 levels the climate is not currently warming and has not for at least 18 years and maybe much longer as the antarctic, for one, has not warmed since 1969 and only a tiny bit since 1954.
mbee1May 8, 2015 5:41 pm
Distortions and lies covered in lies with a cherry lie on top. West Antarctic is about 20 percent. That area has a lot of grounded ice , ice on the sea bed. That ice may be melting from underwater volcanic action per a study last year. Antarctica as a whole has not warmed since 1969 so it cannot be melting away. Antarctic sea ice is at record levels, Sea ice freezes when the ocean is colder, the air is colder, that would indicate the place is colder. There are no studies showing melting ice has lowered the salt content of the ocean where the sea ice forms so it is not freezing from being fresher. Colder may in fact reduce the ice on the interior as the water vapor freezes out before blowing inland. Inland ice can sublime back into vapor in the summer and blow out to sea. the high desert areas of Antarctica are an example. That does not mean the continental ice as a whole is melting from climate warming. That idea is a total lie.
SFCGatorMay 8, 2015 5:40 pm
Yeah a couple years ago the alarmists were shrieking about the vanishing Arctic ice cap, now there is more ice there than ever. Now they are wringing their hands over the Antarctic on which, by their own words, humans have no impact. Look at the huge nuclear reactor in the sky which comprises over 99% of the mass in this star system for the answers to climate change. There is nothing humankind can do to affect the ice caps, we haven't the power on that scale.
bob smithMay 8, 2015 5:13 pm
Another case of "Exaggerated Scientific Speculation"! Write that down!
GuestMay 8, 2015 5:02 pm
How about the volcano under the ice sheet? Surprised this is very seldom mentioned.
skoonyMay 8, 2015 4:51 pm
just turn off all the volcanic activity in Western Antarctica.problem solved.
BillhookMay 8, 2015 4:49 pm
Tim Radford's subtitle above, stating that "the extent and pattern of Antarctic ice loss threatens to be a 'runaway' problem," overlooks the central point of the study he reports. It doesn't threaten to be a runaway problem - it already is a runaway problem, since it is already accelerating and, short of researching and deploying the Albedo Restoration mode of Geo-E, we have no means of cooling the planet sufficiently to slow and then reverse that ongoing acceleration. Given that, in the absence of effective control and under raised global temperature, the rate of overall Antarctic ice loss will inevitably develop over time to the point of imposing a sea-level rise that destroys all coastal urban centres worldwide, the implication is that the mandating of a UN scientific agency for the supervision and evaluation of Geo-E research should now be seen as a first rank priority by the UNFCCC member nations. Regards, Lewis Cleverdon
WakeMay 8, 2015 4:48 pm
The "rise in sea level" is 2 cm per year presently. From the civil war to about 1960 or so it was 1 cm per year. As glaciers that were formed in the Little Ice Age get closer to their lower limits they ALWAYS melt more rapidly. This absolutely horrifying and abrupt rise in sea level is one inch per decade. Gosh we won't even have time to grab our bags.
WakeMay 8, 2015 4:46 pm
Key words "since at least 2003". The fact is that this has been occurring pretty much since the end of the Little Ice Age in 1650 or so.
B S EradicatorMay 8, 2015 4:31 pm
Isn't that the part of the Antarctic that has a volcano under the ice? Volcanoes do melt ice, you know. I think it has something to do with the heat they produce. Scientists warn of “runaway” West Antarctic ice melt - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/05/07/scientists-warn-of-runaway-west-antarctic-ice-melt/#sthash.SU2t6s29.dpuf Scientists warn of “runaway” West Antarctic ice melt - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/05/07/scientists-warn-of-runaway-west-antarctic-ice-melt/#sthash.SU2t6s29.dpuf Scientists warn of “runaway” West Antarctic ice melt - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/05/07/scientists-warn-of-runaway-west-antarctic-ice-melt/#sthash.SU2t6s29.dpuf
Tom ServoMay 8, 2015 4:20 pm
If ice loss is "running away", how come ice coverage at the south pole is now the HIGHEST EVER RECORDED????
rmiddleton00May 8, 2015 4:17 pm
Climate "Scientists" also have warned of the Super Hurricanes after Katrina...the massive Artic Ice Melt (which currently has record highs) and the massive coastal flooding we should be suffering by "Chief Scientist" Al Gore. Man up Climate "Scientists", state your darn settled Science...quit being pansies and using words like "would" and "could".
Ian CurtisMay 8, 2015 4:03 pm
Warmth is good though. Longer growing seasons, more CO2 the natural fertilizer for plants. Canada had record grain crops in 2013 and are on track for another record.
Michael CurtisMay 8, 2015 3:42 pm
LOL the high is all the way up to minus 20 in the summer there. Runaway ice melt, LOL. yeah only sheeple can believe in that.
jumper297May 8, 2015 3:38 pm
Good for him. Why should politicians and industrialists be the only ones squeezing money out of socioeconomic scam?
ike1363May 8, 2015 3:36 pm
Once again the active sub-glacial volcanic region is ignored for the amount of melting it causes because everything HAS to be human's fault.
averagejoe72677May 8, 2015 3:34 pm
I quit listening to these doomsday carbon tax promoters the moment I found out about the U.N.'s carbon tax scheme. If you have noticed the frequency of these have increased dramatically in recent weeks as more and more people are wising up to the scam.
Bite MeMay 8, 2015 3:18 pm
RTCC is censoring comments.
John SanthoffMay 8, 2015 3:17 pm
Do you notice how all the gloom and doom news articles about climate change are almost exclusively on these fringe websites (Like RTCC) and not on reputable mainstream media outlets? Does that tell you anything?
Grumpy Old FartMay 8, 2015 3:16 pm
"What the researchers cannot be sure of is the cause: is a natural cycle of climate at play, or is it a consequence of global warming because of greenhouse gas emissions from the burning of fossil fuels?" And what the "researchers" apparently refuse to consider, and Mr. Radford declines to mention, is that West Antarctica is underlain by a string of active volcanoes. But of course, the fact that 100% of the heat from those volcanoes is absorbed by the ice sheet on top of them can't possibly have anything to do with it, because that would spoil the AGW alarmist narrative. "Pravda" means "truth."
SayWhatMay 8, 2015 2:32 pm
"...arrived at an annual average loss of 92 billion tons a year. This could be envisaged as an iceberg the size of Manhattan Island in New York, and more than 1,600 metres high" So what? Antarctica ice extent is 14 million square kilometers. I know this won't make it past the RTCC censors, but I'm totally sure they have no bias.
KeithMay 8, 2015 2:30 pm
I guess when it comes to the climate alarmist freaks more is always better. Yahoo especially with it's left wing liberal thinking is piling on with the meaningless blogs and hypothetical liberal articles of so called facts to ruin us financially. Any DA that thinks they can change the weather and the climate on something 4.5 billion years old and so massive with no accurate data are fools. If all they say is true. lets go all in and bring back the rain makers for the drought stricken areas and the snake oil salesmen to cure some of our 21st century plagues. I have counted about 15 or 20 blogs on Yahoo over the past few days with all the worn out talking points and then there is Al, Obama and the UN backing it all up. With the hundreds of desperate angles these people are throwing out there, how can any logical leaning individual not have doubts. They are running all over each other to get the the summit of absurd.
Tim HarrisMay 8, 2015 2:29 pm
Global warming alarmists act like they have discovered something no one else knew about. The melting of the Western Antarctic Ice Shelf was forecast 40 years ago and is not caused by global warming but by a natural cycle that cannot be stopped. And it will raise sea levels by 12 to 20 feet over the next hundred years or so. So no matter what we do the sea will rise. They do not want to discuss this. It hurts their cause. In 1974 Hans Weertman showed that a marine-based ice sheet resting on a retrograde bed was unstable. Robert Thomas extended his work to pursue the instability hypothesis. Terry Hughes said that the Pine Island sector of West Antarctica was its weak underbelly and that its retreat would collapse the West Antarctic ice sheet. If you research further you will also discover that they said this is a cycle that cannot be stopped. It is natural as well. Warm water currents are acting in conjunction with geothermal warming under Antarctica. So no matter what we do the sea will rise. The GW alarmists do not want to discuss this. It hurts their cause. Why do they keep on spouting their lies then? The answer is simple. CONTROL
garry roseMay 8, 2015 1:48 pm
I wonder if the shear size of the Ice overhanging water and unsupported by land is not breaking off as a natural process? One can study and make assumptions about the cause as this article does! It would be nice to know if aerial shots have the break-off as a constant location on unsupported overhang?
CocoMay 8, 2015 1:44 pm
LoL Really, according to forbes Sep 2012, Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. Yeah looks like the con job people are back at it again!
GuyBBMay 8, 2015 1:12 pm
RTCC loves to use its power to censor and deletes all of my posts, since I point out the shear propaganda ploys their articles use on a regular basis. I will make another attempt. 92 billion tons! Sounds like a lot! Except, that is only 92 cubic kilometers of water, which still sounds like quite a bit. However, when compared to the 800 million cubic kilometers of water in the Pacific Ocean, doesn't really amount to much. All of their scenarios for disaster, all their cries about calamity, are showing no sign of happening. Not even beginning. It is always, shows signs of maybe starting soon... Soon, for the last 30 years, they've been saying soon. And still, they ask us to ignore the real world data, and instead believe the crazy predictions of the models.
Steven KennedyMay 8, 2015 1:16 am
Dr. Covington, IMHO, the military industrial complex has its teeth so deep in this issue that career politicians can't afford to let go of the (fuel load) tiger's tail. Hence, I bow to the inevitable conflagrations and advocate the 1% Solution. If we did pile burning, selective thinning, brush clearing and limb trimming on 6.4 acres per square mile, at least we’d have seed trees to jump start the forest and insects to recolonize the area. This is a piece of forest that would NOT have a fire hot enough to climb into the crowns nor sterilize the deepest layers of soil. This patch would be an island of green amidst a charscape and the edges would be very valuable biologically. Re-treatments would need to be done every 10 years, with GPS, they'd be easy to keep track of and find in a trashy, thick forest with limited ground visibility. This is a pragmatic solution to a terrible problem with roots in sound bite campaigning, the federal budget deficit and a legacy of Smokey the Bear, wildfire exclusion policies. We have to get real and get to work. Please see my fire safety/environmental video script at dub dub dat canonbal dat org. Your comments and criticisms are welcome. The El Dorado County (CA) citizen's advisory, Fish & Game Commission is now considering token financial support (to indicate a County buy in) for this innovative video project in the wake of the 100,000 acre King Fire. A funding proposal submitted in 2008 after the billion dollar Angora Fire in South Lake Tahoe, for the same video,project, was rejected by the same Commission. Your moral support will be greatly appreciated as I seek to build a coalition of funding partners in the mid Sierra. Sincerely, Steve "Hollywood" Kennedy Executive Producer The Cannonball Express
LincolnMay 7, 2015 11:54 pm
Now India has become delusional. Put down those pipes or you will be sucked into this weirdo religion.
Rob BrownMay 7, 2015 11:47 pm
Any knowledgeable person would have known that there was inappropriate information is some comments and publications. The fact is that we are in very serious trouble, and there may be no way out.
Larry LangMay 7, 2015 11:41 pm
Oh come on, you're telling me India's government is as corrupt as ours. Tell me it ain't so.
derecho64May 7, 2015 10:07 pm
Judy Curry is also full of it with her rejectionist-pleasing opinions.
derecho64May 7, 2015 10:05 pm
Expain, please. What "last three warm cycles", over what time periods?
climatehawk1May 7, 2015 9:58 pm
Oops, no, that is, of course, crap, and it's covered in the most very basic information on climate change. The fundamental science around heat-trapping greenhouse gases has been known for more than a century.
wylie123May 7, 2015 9:43 pm
Name a temperature model that has been accurate? Hint, there aren't any, it is much cooler than projected years back.
StanleyMay 7, 2015 9:32 pm
You make it sound like he did something wrong. The north pole melted off in 1957. We are still here aren't we. Man adds a trivial amount of CO2 to the air. Nature adds 99 times man's contribution after the temperature starts rising. Then the real problem starts. An ice age. Look to the past if you want to know about climate problems.
JungleTrunksMay 7, 2015 9:32 pm
450 million years ago CO2 levels were at 4400 ppm during an ice age. 10x higher than today
netprophetMay 7, 2015 9:30 pm
The bottom line is you are a fool to believe such utter rubbish.
netprophetMay 7, 2015 9:28 pm
Absolutely! "The warming numbers most commonly advanced are created by climate computer models built almost entirely by scientists who believe in catastrophic global warming. The rate of warming forecast by these models depends on many assumptions and engineering to replicate a complex world in tractable terms, such as how water vapor and clouds will react to the direct heat added by carbon dioxide or the rate of heat uptake, or absorption, by the oceans. We might forgive these modelers if their forecasts had not been so consistently and spectacularly wrong. From the beginning of climate modeling in the 1980s, these forecasts have, on average, always overstated the degree to which the Earth is warming compared with what we see in the real climate. - Dr. John Christy, State Climatologist, University of Huntsville, AL, and formerly of NASA
netprophetMay 7, 2015 9:25 pm
The Germans already tried: “Climate protection and the switch over to renewable energies were instilled in German citizens by state propaganda, green brainwashing and with the help of all of Germany’s mainstream media. The unconditional necessity to advance into alternative energies has become a religious creed. By historical and global comparison, such a thing happens the most easily here, time after time. The logic used by the politically interested parties every time appears to be infallible. [..] The argument goes as follows: The rescue of the planet from a death by heat and the immediate shutdown of the irresponsible German nuclear power plants are essential. The question of whether this is really true is not be asked, let alone discussed.” - Prof. Dr. Horst-Joachim Lüdecke. German physicist and climate scientist and spokesman for the European Institute for Climate and Energy (EIKE)
JamesMay 7, 2015 9:18 pm
Which lie to tackle first. How about that the sun controls climate and man can do nothing about it. Or how about the fact that the sun has many cycles and currently we are heading into a cooling trend that will continue into 2031. The entire field of global warming is a lie.
frishyMay 7, 2015 9:10 pm
Ever seen a grant request or proposal? Find just ONE that has outcome expectations...it's just not true.
Heard_It_All_BeforeMay 7, 2015 8:48 pm
You make this claim as if you have undeniable evidence that would support your claim. What is your evidence?
monkey1371May 7, 2015 8:35 pm
The confirmation bias is strong in these comments.
Heard_It_All_BeforeMay 7, 2015 8:31 pm
No, Earth will not become as hot as Venus until our sun starts to becomes a red giant. As a practical matter, we could alter the climate enough that Earth may as well be another Venus, for as far as life on this planet is concerned. How warm and how fast the warming occurs due to our actions depends on which tipping points are crossed and when they are crossed. We have already crossed some thresh holds that cannot be reversed. The continuing Arctic sea ice loss and ocean acidification are two examples of such.
iontomMay 7, 2015 7:30 pm
We are all going to die when the Siberian and oceanic methane traps fracture and release into runaway greenhouse... Thanks GOP! Good thing by then those politicians will have automated killing machines to suppress us social leech types begging for fresh food and clean air. Yay!
bobplughMay 7, 2015 6:23 pm
The water level was approximately 400' (about 120 meters) LOWER in the past than it is today (see wikipedia). That's right, the water level has already risen FOUR HUNDRED FEET. It did virtually all of this PRIOR to man's industrialization. To say that we must prevent the water level from rising another foot or two, or even six or ten is like saying we want to keep the earth from turning - it just won't happen. The fools that build and own near the ocean and in lowlands are destined to be flooded/underwater at some point without major work (building to keep the water out), and that simply won't happen to most of the small islands around the world. It is definitely time for people to start moving AWAY from the ocean, not sit there and expect everyone else to compensate them for their loss when the water level does rise. It is sheer ignorance for these people to expect anything else and perhaps a good thing - the rising water level will force them to move further inland and hopefully take measure to stop any population increase from continuing.
Tom ServoMay 7, 2015 6:05 pm
I will sell New Zealand my rights to eat beans for a year, for $500,000.00 They can credit the reduced methane production to their overall goal.
jaybarMay 7, 2015 5:00 pm
Obama's daughter has asthma because of all you green energy hating people and your carbon polluting ways. You should be ashamed of yourself. Her asthma had nothing to do with his smoking.
ReduceGHGsMay 7, 2015 4:02 pm
paid to post such nonsense? feel good about your work? literally feeling sorry for you puppets
ReduceGHGsMay 7, 2015 4:01 pm
All this while the republicans in Congress deny we have anything to do with it. Most of us are doing nothing about it. Many of us even re-elect them! It looks like it will take a significant majority to overcome the fossil fuel industry's grip on power. Please join the efforts. Apathy/inaction effectively advocates more of the same. We can't afford it. Learn more at this site... Google: NASA Climate Change Consensus replies to ReduceGHGs(at)ExhaustingHabitability(dot)com
CaspianSailsMay 7, 2015 3:47 pm
The writer does not take into account the Co2 being released from ice as it melts and lumps all Co2 increases to that generated by man. I am sure the response would be the ice melting is also due to man ignoring long term climatic cycles. While the levels may equal or exceed the Pliocene epoch it is still far below the highest levels achieved in earlier epochs.
climatehawk1May 7, 2015 3:45 pm
No point in overstating the difficulty either, that just feeds denialism. It's entirely possible to massively increase solar, wind, and electric vehicles. WW2 industrial ramp-up in the U.S. shows just what can be done if we get serious.
Hal von LuebbertMay 7, 2015 1:30 pm
I estimate (as a statistician) that ninety-five percent of the people commenting here can't calculate the interest on their credit card, let alone understand - or even know of its existence - the complex mathematics of climatology. And yet... And there you have the root cause, also, for the nation's steep decline. Ignorance isn't funny...
Hal von LuebbertMay 7, 2015 1:27 pm
Thanks for your comment - it speaks of the real problem, the utterly stolid ignorance of most people concerning it. Every problem must first be reduced to the level of the individuals ability to understand, in other words.
Hal von LuebbertMay 7, 2015 1:24 pm
Do you know what a megaton is? Multiply until it's hot enough to be as hot as you like. Seriously, do you know ANYTHING of climate science - anything that isn't hearsay (hearsay you have no way to understand)?
Hal von LuebbertMay 7, 2015 1:21 pm
"How high's the water, momma..."
NicholBMay 7, 2015 1:14 pm
There's a political value in having elections. Is that reason for you to be against elections? It is clearly politically valuable if an overwhelming majority of countries represented in the IPCC process can agree on such a boundary of 2ºC, beyond we agree that the risk for danger becomes excessive.
NicholBMay 7, 2015 1:10 pm
It would make sense if a moderator went through these comments and just delete all of those that don't comment on the article's content. Including this one :) And especially that one comment complaining that his other comment got deleted. That seems rather unlikely if I read the other comments.
JungleTrunksMay 7, 2015 1:06 pm
This article is the very reason there's so many skeptics, the veracity of the so called science can't be trusted, it isn't settled Science has gotten involved with the politics and messaging of AGW. The science has become an industry of not just scientists, but mostly political pundits set up to evangelize the AGW story. In many sub categories of the sciences there's single scientific papers that have been written that are used by the modelers in their equations to "prove beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the science is settled, which is preposterous. Specifically in the geologic area there's a great deal that's mysterious about the paleo record where there's just a spattering of papers that aren't conclusive. Most climate scientists are honest, just doing their research, but most of the research and basic science is field work. There's a small subset of "modelers" that use this data to develop their models, they then package their conclusions and theories as fact because they use raw data from the field, yet the modelers have often been proven wrong in their models because while they may have accurate data to populate their computer models, the data in fact can be interpreted a myriad ways. When entire institutions are set up to advance AGW science it means there's nobody questioning the conclusions
NicholBMay 7, 2015 1:03 pm
Olivine Weathering is one strategy for Carbon Dioxide Removal. It is not a silver bullet, but it could help. It may be a pretty competitive alternative to CCS. I'm making a website describing it's capabilities, chances, and the current barriers towards doing more research, development, and deployment. Technically it is easy. Legally, politically, socially, as a business, it isn't moving ahead. .. so please check my website http://testunit.nl and send me your questions/remarks to @OlivineCO2 so I can make it better. Thanks!
NicholBMay 7, 2015 12:58 pm
It's all about making an effort to change. This 2ºC is indeed rather an approximate line beyond which we'll get in more serious trouble. Scientists can try to define that boundary, but it is inherently not precise. If we plan to go beyond, it will simply get worse. Nature doesn't negotiate. If we can recognize the urgency, we can do something about it.
Jibber Jabber JoeMay 7, 2015 12:43 pm
The problem is not understood. There is no agreement that it exists. The solution offered is designed to transfer wealth to the people espousing it - something you'd think our crack investigative news outlets would try to expose.
Jibber Jabber JoeMay 7, 2015 12:41 pm
If the data was clean they might. But the warmers keep fudging the numbers to try to prove their theories. It is anti-science.
Jibber Jabber JoeMay 7, 2015 12:40 pm
More CO2 (plant food) means more plant life, which converts the CO2 to O. The planet is self-adjusting. The warmers are profiteers who know they can't be caught because their theories will not prove false for hundreds of years. Thus the hysteria they try to incite.
NickMay 7, 2015 12:16 pm
"The last three warm cycles were around 2c higher than the present warming cycle. " Not at any time since the last deep ice age (10 kyr ago) as a global average. And not with seven billion of us souls relying on predictable climates to grow our crops. You read so many folks who write about climate changes throughout history and how that somehow "proves" there's nothing to be concerned about. However, when the climate changes rapidly (as it is now), this imposes tremendous hardships on the existing civilizations. Some civilizations are known to have gone extinct with climate change as a major factor in their demise (such as the Maya of central America). Those who welcome increased heat need to understand that excessive heat (of which there will be more, on a warming planet) puts stress on vegetation (including the crops that keep civilization alive). Several days of continuous 100+ degrees can devastate entire crops, and such heat spells are predicted to increase in the coming years and decades.
NickMay 7, 2015 11:50 am
If all the people who were actually concerned about emissions and global warming were to write, call or visit their representative, we might actually get something of substance accomplished. Congress needs to hear us - loud and clear. They're not so concerned about what people write in the comments sections online. Instead, they want to know if they're going to be voted out or in if they support policies of GHG mitigation.
Dusty RhoadesMay 7, 2015 11:49 am
Even the most alarmist of the alarmist climate "scientists" say that Earth could never turn into another Venus, yet Drb is so incredibly ignorant that he's predicting it's going to happen in 35 years. Koo-koo, koo-koo, koo-koo... And I'd bet the farm that Drb has no clue why Venus - which has a 96% CO2 concentration in it's atmosphere - is so hot, while Mars - which also has a 96% CO2 concentration in it's atmosphere - is so cold. Drb is obviously not intelligent enough to know why, since he's so clueless that he thinks Earth - with just a 0.04% CO2 concentration in it's atmosphere - is going to turn into another Venus. Drb is living proof that liberal stupid can't be fixed
NickMay 7, 2015 11:47 am
Are you going to give up or are you going to try to help change the situation?
david schwartzMay 7, 2015 11:43 am
There are workable solutions. Alternative fuels.. from algae and other biomass. Planting more trees. Electric cars.... even hybrids. Small carbon artificial scrubbers. More plants in general. Teach kids how to grow and take care of a small variety of houseplants. Acres of solar shields. There are plenty of things that can be done.to reduce the effect of carbon emissions.
BuggerthatMay 7, 2015 11:40 am
I see the usual comments from Denialist idiots and liars. No matter how much goofy noise they spew, reality does not change. The Arctic is still shrinking, glaciers are still receding and the Denialists are still a small fringe nut group.
david schwartzMay 7, 2015 11:38 am
There are a number of practical and impractical solutions. Biodiesel from algae and other biomass. A solar shield.. or many solar shields. Planting trees. More plants in general: in buildings, on top of buildings, in man made ponds... anywhere. Carbon scrubbers... small ones.. big ones.. industrialized ones. Small ones may not sound like much but if you could sell a billion of them, the effect adds up.
BuggerthatMay 7, 2015 11:38 am
Except that the people that actually know what they are talking about say different.
david schwartzMay 7, 2015 11:33 am
That would explain scientists in the US. The problem is scientists all over the world agree that global warming is real and is man made. Simple fact prove global warming must be occurring. No single study can prove global warming. There are too many factors involved. The overwhelming number of studies all point to global warming being real and man made. Not a single computer model predicts anything other than global warming. No cooling.. no status quo. They all predict warming trends. The scary part is that the models have been predicting changes in temperature that are generally less than what has been seen. Here are basic facts that no skeptic has been able to argue away. Fact: CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Fact: Greenhouse gases act as insulation and trap heat. Fact: CO2 concentrations, as well as other greenhouse gas concentrations, have been increasing in our atmosphere. Fact: No skeptic has yet explained where the extra heat, trapped by added greenhouse gas concentrations, is going. Arguing against global warming is like arguing that adding insulation to your home has no effect on your energy bill.
BuggerthatMay 7, 2015 11:33 am
BS This current warming cycle started about 150 years ago, and if we are lucky, we will see a total of two degrees C warming in about 200-250 years.
david schwartzMay 7, 2015 11:25 am
Fact: CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Fact: Greenhouse gases trap heat. It is like adding insulation. Fact: CO2 and other greenhouse gases are increasing in their concentrations in the atmosphere each year. Fact: No skeptic of global warming has explained away the heat added via increased greenhouse gas concentrations. Arguing against global warming is like arguing that insulation has not effect on your heating bill.
NickMay 7, 2015 11:24 am
absolutely true; good statement; however, the EMISSIONS from seven billion fossil fuel users...that's quite a different story
david schwartzMay 7, 2015 11:20 am
We have the tech. We have the money. It's only the will we lack.
david schwartzMay 7, 2015 11:19 am
It isn't just scientists in the US. Scientists in China are also concerned and the Chinese govt is not so happy with their projections.
david schwartzMay 7, 2015 11:17 am
A lot of people do see global warming. Here in Las Vegas, 15 years ago winter snow in the mountains was more than 2 months of the year. Now we are lucky to have 2-3 weeks where there is snow. There are powerful motives to deny global warming. Basic facts are that greenhouse gas concentrations are increasing globally. That means more heat being trapped by the oceans and atmosphere. If 50 years ago someone said Siberia will be thawing soon, they would have been laughed at. Siberia is thawing. .
david schwartzMay 7, 2015 11:12 am
Individually, we do not have the power to affect climate. All humanity has the ability to affect climate. Just building dams affects climate locally. Deforestation affects climate if enough forest is destroyed. Humans emit a collective 33+ billion metric tons of CO2 a year. There is an additional 3-4 billion metric tons added to the total through deforestation. The truth of the matter is we can't keep polluting the atmosphere and killing off parts of the biosphere without affecting climate. You might as well say that adding insulation to your home has no effect on your heating bill.
AaA1960May 7, 2015 11:09 am
There is not really that much to worry about global warming, We're going to kill ourselves off long before global warming has a chance to.
LewisMay 7, 2015 10:19 am
Man has the hubris to believe he has the power
LewisMay 7, 2015 10:18 am
Why should you drive to work? Why should you heat your home? Why should some poor peasant burn sticks to cook her family's food? There is an age old solution-----hunter gathers.
dstresenMay 7, 2015 9:27 am
I agree with Tol , how are you going to address the poverty around the globe if we are caught up in this insane idea that CO2 controls the weather . Study the sun spots , the solar winds are loosing their impact and so the cosmic rays are having their say , just 200 years ago we were just coming out of a very cool period and has nothing to do with TSI . We are quietly headed back to this period of cooling , cyclical , natural events .
Drb-May 7, 2015 8:08 am
The planet is toast no matter how you slice. Welcome to Venus by 2050, on a planet dirtbag still 83% dependent on fossil fuels across all energy spectra...
CartoonmickMay 7, 2015 8:03 am
In the middle are the politicians with the authority to take action over climate change. Fighting for the attention of these pollies are climate scientists (on one side) and mega (polluting) corporations (on the other). In comparison, climate scientists have very little bargaining power and will probably lose. I made up an expression many years ago which is = = = "Those with expertise have no authority, and those with authority have no expertise". Another way it can be summed up is in this cartoon . . . https://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-775 Cheers Mick
GaryDoggettMay 7, 2015 7:45 am
Dear Megan Just a little update on Queensland since your last report. As you know, the Labor Party formed government and has committed to creating jobs and economic growth. With respect to Abbot Point coal terminal, the new government moved to ensure dredge spoil (aka sand and gravel) would be pumped onshore to an unused part of the designated industrial area. You might also be interested to know that Labor has approved more coal mines in Queensland than the LNP, because it has this crazy attachment to job creation. As you obviously don't know, because it wasn't reported, the Carmichael Mine project in the Galiee Basin is being pioneered by the Indian company Adani to supply its power stations in India. The coal quality in Australia is much better than in India but the overwhelming issue there is that 800 million people still burn dung and biomass to cook their meals. As far as mega-ports are concerned, it's a catchy title, but there's a 10-year moratorium on any new ports adjacent to the Great Barrier Reef that your WWF mates fail to mention...and yes, ships have been moving through the reef since a British captain crashed into it in 1770. His name was James Cook. Luckily though because the reef is entirely covered these days with compulsory ship monitoring and satellite surveillance, such accidents from fallen from one a year to one per decade. Just one more thing...if you want to dive on the Great Barrier Reef, you need to travel at least 80km out to sea in a boat - most of which you will find start their journeys from ports that require regular dredging to stay navigable, especially with an average 17 million tonnes of sediment entering the lagoon each year through 32 river catchments.
ACRIIMay 7, 2015 6:31 am
Galileo Galilei was arrested for saying that the Earth rotates around the Sun and placed under house arrest by the Church, until he died... The moral is to do whatever you believe in and don't let others stop you...
ACRIIMay 7, 2015 6:15 am
The last three warm cycles were around 2c higher than the present warming cycle. They obtained this temperature in about 10k+years. The present cycle has increased slower and is in it's 14k+year of warming... This is according to the 800k+years of ice core data from the Antarctic & Greenland...
Bob BinghamMay 7, 2015 5:22 am
If the UN talks are anything like the previous ones the USA, Canada, Australia and Russia will turn up with a big team of lawyers who are charged with making sure that nothing should be decided that will hurt their businesses. This is proving to be a very expensive mistake and the whole world will pay the price. http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/climate-threats.html
joeMay 7, 2015 5:05 am
Half the morons in this country don't even believe or care about the date that we do have, don't think any of them will care about any less optimistic data.
StabilizerMay 7, 2015 4:19 am
It's a waste of time and effort trying to get people to agree on climate targets or on the cause of climate change or the existence of climate change (or gravity). What we need to spend our energies and time on is deciding what we want to do about it. The problem is understood. Next, you define the response. Then you measure your success and decide if you need to do more, less, or the same.
John GreenMay 7, 2015 3:54 am
we as people can not make it warmer or colder, no man has that power.
Miguel GarciaMay 7, 2015 3:54 am
Highest in 3 Million years? Duh, who was here to measure that? It may be so, but I think it is not that meaningful. The sum total amount of carbon in the world is for the most part, constant. It changes back and forth as nature wishes.
RphoffMay 7, 2015 3:50 am
Give me a break! More man-made climate change propaganda, a little reverse psychology this time. I don't trust scientists anymore, they can't even predict when it is going to rain where I live, or how bad a hurricane season will be. And nearly every single day they change their mind about what we should eat. Such as the recent changes to the recommendations for cholesterol and fat, (yet obesity keeps increasing). I do know that when I watch the weather on TV the temperature where I live is usually below the historical average. And it certainly seems colder now to me than it did even five years ago. But although I don't see any global warming, I certainly do see many people, (and many politicians) who desperately want to use global warming to remove regular people’s personal freedoms and increase taxes. These people have a powerful motive to believe (or pretend to believe) in global warming and I don't trust them either.
BimmyMay 7, 2015 2:49 am
Looks like someone wants to keep their research grants flowing!
Richard_LionheartMay 7, 2015 2:41 am
I can see the believers in the Church of Climate Scientology foaming at the mouth with convulsions in a pseudo science religious fervor over this.
Bill MarshallMay 7, 2015 2:16 am
There are five BILLION people living on the world yet to enjoy the benefits of fossil fuel and they will not stop until they get them... nor should they... Why should they continue to live in squalor so some fat American in florida doesn't have to build a seawall? The Saudis have oil and sand and nobody wants to buy the sand... if the west cuts back they will drop the price to survive and when the price is low the third world will drink it like liberals drink the Obama kool aid. Plan for the worst and hope for the best but all this carbon cutting is just buying a couple of extra decades before its hot as hades... The real problem with the planet is too many people who will keep multiplying and living longer and the better they live the more babies they make. The planet will die from that long before the warming ever gets us.
GomekMay 7, 2015 2:01 am
Defend the integrity of climate science? Give me a break! This is like defending the good character of Rasputin. --Gomek
jcfractalMay 7, 2015 1:32 am
We are playing russian roulette with the only atmosphere we have..an experiment so dangerous and unpredictable that no government agency would ever approve it, yet we keep doing it.
OrenMay 7, 2015 1:32 am
And NOAA was where 3 million years ago? This is a guess at best and proves what?
Warren O. AndersonMay 7, 2015 1:00 am
No human is going to change what mother nature has in store for us....it is that simple. We can't control the climate and that is a good thing!
John SanthoffMay 7, 2015 12:18 am
I posted on here earlier with a comment that contested what was written and my comments were deleted as I'm sure this one will be too. The moderator of this site discriminates against opposing opinions.
BIll TestonMay 7, 2015 12:07 am
Wow, that was fast, just this afternoon it was only a 2 million year high point!! Another million years of C02 in just a couple of hours. Fossil fuels!! Is there nothing they can't do!
Uncle Sam Gone BadMay 7, 2015 12:03 am
It came as a shocking revelation to me when I finally had to come to the conclusion that scientists in this day and age are full of crap and probably not even nice people on top of it.-- All in all we are returning to the age of religious dogma circa the time Galileo with much suppression of free thought and ideas
Andy49May 6, 2015 11:44 pm
It is too late to stop what is coming that is the problem. We want a happy ending and it ain't out there. The carbon load is growing and the response is slowed so the real impact will be a decade or more away to start to see the results. We should be talking a two front CO2 abatement and how we are going to deal with the sea rise and population dislocation. Where is heck are we going to put millions of citizens and who is going to eat their losses in property? Questions that should be addressed in the public sphere.
thejames2020May 6, 2015 11:38 pm
Where do all the huge grants go? They go to so called scientists that take up the cause for AGW only... Do you think science based on flawed models is pure? If you do you can join Jonathan Gruber's pool of "Stupid Voters"... I can produce a large number of brilliant scientists who will tell you that AGW is insignificant if not totally a scam... Interesting how government "scientists" got it wrong about fats for 60 years.... Never let anybody even Obama tell you that the science is settled. Any REAL scientist knows that true science is ALWAYS challenged
ActtorneyatliarMay 6, 2015 11:12 pm
Dr. Judith Curry says these guys are full of it and that this ruse is based upon unproven assumptions which will lead to costly, chiefly politically motivated fixes which will only do economic harm, but nothing to fix the fallacy that is AGW. I think she is right. Read her testimony before Congress at: https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/house-science-testimony-apr-15-final.pdf
Robert PerinoMay 6, 2015 11:12 pm
Having a target means you think its achievable within that time frame. It is not. It will take a century or more just to convert half the world from using fossil fuels to green energy if then. We don't have the technology, the will or the money to do it in 30 years.
maytrixMay 6, 2015 11:10 pm
If the science cannot stand up to scrutiny then it is not science. That is what these morjority of people are saying. If you would just shut up and listen for a minute you would understand what your opposition was saying. Then you could counter and and convince instead of just attacking without facts.
DaveMay 6, 2015 10:43 pm
The desperation of the lying left wing University professors to keep their millions of taxpayer dollars flowing into their pockets. Computer models are not science...you lying pieces of scum show a study that proves climate change...just one study..do some honest science you lying disgrace to the scientific community.
clearfogMay 6, 2015 10:37 pm
I think that most scientists, and most well educated politicians, understand the reality that 2^C is already out of reach. Developing countries are not going to be able to resist their citizens' demands, developed countries also to a lesser degree, but certainly will not buy off the developing countries to forgo development, alternative fuels will help but not cure, and then there are the yet not well understood other consequences like methane and positive feedback loops. I hate to say this, but the only real hope is in geoengineering or the long shot technological fix, like cold fusion or a breakthrough in some area not even anticipated now. Sorry about that.
GuestMay 6, 2015 10:32 pm
"...exaggerating how easy it is to transform the economy..." This does not get nearly enough attention in global warming discussions. The fact is that modern industrial economies run on fossil fuels, and without viable alternatives that will not change. Developed countries will continue to burn fossil fuel, developing countries will burn more, and undeveloped countries will start burning them. The status quo energy policy of crony-capitalist subsidies is not going to affect the reduction that climate scientists claim is needed. It's one thing to see a problem and another to fix it, and if there is no workable solution, it's much better to acknowledge it rather than set some unachievable goal of limiting global warming to two degrees. At least then you're dealing in reality.
Reggie_EssentMay 6, 2015 10:20 pm
"“Scientific advisers must resist pressures that undermine the integrity of climate science,” he writes … " I think it's a bit too late for that.
GuyBBMay 6, 2015 10:20 pm
As there is no sign of the long predicted acceleration in the rate of temperature rise due to positive feedback, there is no chance of ever reaching 2 degrees before the end of the century. But, as normal, RTCC will suppress my commentary, as it would fly in the face of their propaganda message. And...we know the beat must go on! (You've got to keep all of the drones in step after all!)
DanFromMVMay 6, 2015 10:20 pm
“Scientific advisers should resist the temptation to be political entrepreneurs, peddling their advice by exaggerating how easy it is to transform the economy or deploy renewable technologies, for instance.” Absolutely. Almost every climate scientist would not have the policy or economics background to understand the impact of political choices to reach sufficient reduction in CO2 to hit the 2C target.
Larry DysartMay 6, 2015 10:18 pm
60 million years ago the Earf was so hot there WAS no ice--the great plains was a sea Then--how did it happen? The Earf started to cool--and ice formed---so much so that there was an ice sheet as far south as Kansas City. How did the climate change so radically without man there to direct it? And THEN--the Earf started to WARM some 15,000 years ago--from what? Mammoth Flatulence? And then the Little Ice Age in the 15th and16th Centuries--and pretty much continual warming to date. Its hard for the educated to fathom how anyone with an IQ of 90 or more can be taken in by this silliness. OF COURSE CLIMATE CHANGES--alwayshas and always will. But it has NEVER changed due to a dam'd thing man ever did Krissakes people grow up
Ray DziadzioMay 6, 2015 10:08 pm
Climate Change is natural and can never be stopped. It is as natural as the tides. It bhas een going on for over 4 billion years and will go on till Sol exoands to a Red Giant and destroys the Earth.
MartinMay 6, 2015 10:07 pm
no incentive for polluters to stop polluting-everybody on the planet is a polluter,poor countries more so.
RoyMay 6, 2015 9:59 pm
Are the 20,000 or so daily flights throughout the world really necessary? Aircraft are not only major CO2 producers, but they deposit it at high altitudes where it can do it's work most efficiently. Does the president realy need to gad around the world with an entourage of campfollowers in multiple 747s? The problem won't be solved until everybody high and low gives up wha we now consider necessities.
John SanthoffMay 6, 2015 9:57 pm
The range of temperatures experienced on our planet typically range from -50F to +130F a temperature range of 180 degrees Fahrenheit. The global warming extremists are concerned about a contested temperature increase of no more than 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit over the last 100 years or so. As a percentage this represents less than a 1% deviation of temperature over 100 years! Our living rooms which are temperature controlled environments have a deviation greater than this from one side of our living rooms to the other at any given time of the day. And quite possibly a +/- of 5 degrees in a typical day. The global warming extremists would have us be concerned about a less than 1% temperature deviation over a 100 years and thats catastrophic for our planet? Of course it is.
BuddyGCMay 6, 2015 9:52 pm
Scientists who base their findings on computer models that have not been right in 18 years are Activists not scientists
alexx52May 6, 2015 9:45 pm
The Amazon holds about 90–140 billion metric tons of carbon, which is three or four times the amount released into the atmosphere each year. In fact, deforestation accounts for about 15 percent of annual global emissions, which is more than the transport sector of the entire world.
john allenMay 6, 2015 9:43 pm
I have a couple of questions, 1. how can the sun be cooled? and the 2nd how do you stop tidal stress heating in the crust of our world? when you can do those two things you can stop Global warming and Climate change. Man alone is an cannot be more than the smallest part of the whole picture. only willing blind stupid over educated under intelligent idiots can or will think other wise. So many of you have been duped by them how's that make you feel?
Dennis GMay 6, 2015 9:39 pm
Höhne – an IPCC lead author on climate policies and international cooperation - said there was a “political value” in having a target for countries to aim for. - So mit is about politics, taxes and cash flow. Not science!
Lastman9May 6, 2015 9:39 pm
The 'scientists' made promises that they could not keep about a theory to which they cannot apply the scientific method. But there is "gold in them thar hills."
BillMay 6, 2015 9:38 pm
The bottom line is that Climate Change is real and is heavily influenced by human activity. What we choose to do about it is the only question.
iconickevinMay 6, 2015 2:12 am
Climate change being used as a weapon of war in Palestine. No surprises there. There is no depth the zionists will stoop to to attack and rob Palestine
WarrenMay 4, 2015 10:06 pm
You say: "oil and coal need to be outlawed. " Since that will never happen, what is your practical solution?
WarrenMay 4, 2015 2:42 pm
You say: ".. in order for us to survive and not completely wreck the planet oil and coal need to be outlawed. " Since the odds of THAT happening are zero, do you have a practical solution?
g_sorosMay 3, 2015 4:55 pm
The latest IPCC AR5 Report shows that at the current 0.04C per decade rate it will take 500 years for surface temperature to increase by 2.0C. Long before then, we will be getting energy from very different sources. Changing the world's economy which will increase morbidity and starvation for poor countries while trying to maybe, possibly, it is projected to, it might work . . . lower global temperature by 0.03C is not smart. IPCC AR5 FINAL Ch. 9, p. 769, para.1Box 9.2 Climate Models and the Hiatus in Global Mean Surface Warming of the Past 15 Years “The observed global mean surface temperature (GMST) has shown a much smaller increasing linear trend over the past 15 years than over the past 30 to 60 years. Depending on the observational data set, the GMST trend over 1998–2012 is estimated to be around one-third to one-half of the trend over 1951–2012. For example, in HadCRUT4 the trend is 0.04ºC per decade over 1998–2012, compared to 0.11ºC per decade over 1951–2012.” I have used the IPCC data from Hadcrut4. Satellite sources from RSS and UAH show a temperature decrease during the same 1998-2012 period.
Fernando LeanmeMay 3, 2015 3:46 pm
I wonder where does the "three times the global warming potential of conventional oil" come from?
NickMay 2, 2015 11:10 am
It's basically simple. Do we care about those who come after us or not?
socalpaMay 2, 2015 5:52 am
Funny how this site allows any false or exaggerated claims , - But censors any confirmable facts . - Wonder why few Believe after 25 years of Alarmist propaganda ? Look in the mirror. Look in the mirror.
socalpaMay 2, 2015 5:04 am
The writer assumes the people of the World Don't Know Who will be Paying the added costs for energy and transportation these taxes and regs will produce. - The consumers .Five Billion who currently rely on FFs for heat, light and transportation.- - BTW.. the Earth was at least 2C warmer during the African Humid Period 11kya to 5kya BP. .The Sahara became a Green Savannah and the Gobi became Forested ! - I know the mod will delete this post. I hope its read by the mod first. - Censorship always Fails !
Earl DeckerMay 2, 2015 1:29 am
Huq---People like you do not know anything about climate change and rely on the IPCC ,NASA NOAA and other AGW biased government funded organizations for providing their data and failed computer model climate predictions. The different climate conferences agreed on a goal of 2 degree C commitment and set CO2 limits that would meet that goal and now people like you and others want the goal posts moved and require more demands( More money from developed countries sooner ). You people must think the rest of us are dimwits and can not see through your nonsensensical statements.
GuyBBMay 2, 2015 12:06 am
Well, RTCC normally deletes my posts, but I'll give it a shot. 2 Degrees? No problem! The trends, you know, in the actual data, show no sign of us even approaching that. Further, to get there, temperature rise SHOULD have been accelerating for the last two decades. Instead there really has been no trend at all. Just random variation. So, to believe this is even an issue, the Climate Change Alarmist insist we ignore the actual data, and instead believe their computer models. Computer models that have overestimated temperature rise and dependence upon CO2 at every turn. Computer models that have no more validity than any other random number generator. Should I break out my dice?
Kevin McGrathMay 1, 2015 9:57 pm
We post comments!!.....really we do!
JungleTrunksMay 1, 2015 7:00 pm
Consider this: AGW science documents a 1.5 degree increase in global warming beginning about 150 years ago and attributes it to humanity. 150 years ago humanity got around on horseback and the global human population was tiny by todays standard. So using the first 30-40 years of this 150 year warming period as the yardstick that measures our beginning influence on the environment one can easily extrapolate the following; if earths population were reduced to mid 19th century levels, and we eliminated most manufacturing, we would still have the same global warming problem using the data the pundits of AGW supply. Why? Because AGW science points to the mid 19th century as the beginning of the sharp upward curve in global warming. Obviously if so few humans and industry could have initiated the sharp CO2 increase then humanity would actually need to revert to an 18th century carbon footprint to get in front of the AGW inflection point to stop the so called problem. This is absurd right? But these are the conclusions you are left with if you believe AGW pundits. CO2 makes up .04 percent of the atmosphere. The warmers will never tell you the amount of CO2 reduction supposedly required to reach a net decrease threshold in atmospheric CO2 because saying the rational truth demonstrates the absurdity of their premise. The answer would be eliminating ALL CO2, including your breathing; because it takes hundreds of years for CO2 to naturally sequester itself; so to get in front of the inflection point you would actually need a net decrease in CO2. Now pundits are saying we can limit warming to 2 degrees if we act now? Absurd. We can ONLY continue to add CO2 even if we cut out all industry because our population is exponentially larger than the mid 1800s. AGW rationale is preposterous. If you believe in AGW be prepared to meet your maker, but I deny the AGW farce. Global warming is a big money scam, 100's of billions have been funded by left leaning governments globally to find evidence of AGW; miraculously scientists deliver theories from extrapolations of raw data from the funding. Carbon credits are a macro geopolitical concept promoted and funded by the hard left globally as a methodology to redistribute wealth from 1st world countries to third world countries. Global warming is politically sculpted for money, power and new world view political doctrine. Skeptics do not deny science. But political science on this subject? Certainly.
NorbertMay 1, 2015 5:16 pm
If humanity's actions are in fact responsible for climate change, then why is the response to climate change to have humanity take more action?
ppiaseckMay 1, 2015 4:58 pm
IT's easy to attack the bogus reporting, when John Cook makes up a 97% science agree consensus and people look at his methodology, the realty is, it was less than 5% who stand behind human caused climate change, then you have all those emails from EA, and then Michael Mann's bogus hockey stick and to this day he will not release any of his data or emails that should be public. Then you have the Computer Models that are 99% wrong, and than IPCC stating this is about trying to end the best economic system in the History of man kind, Capitalism.. yea its easy to attack.....why do they hide data, or change,,,,,,,to fit their agenda..........
NorbertMay 1, 2015 4:47 pm
Coal - composed mainly of carbon - is called a polluting product by a human - a carbon-based life form.
John from LondonMay 1, 2015 2:39 pm
LOL. What on Earth are you doing on a site like this when you have such huge - no, *vast* - gaps in your awareness?
John from LondonMay 1, 2015 2:35 pm
"Clean coal". That'll be the coal that stays in the ground?
John from LondonMay 1, 2015 2:27 pm
Hmm, "climate systems are so massive". Yes they are. They are both massive, in terms of sheer amounts of data, and complex. The body of climate science that has been done and is being is also massive. You're apparently unaware of that. I'm not sure why. Some religions deem certain things forbidden. Is that how it is with you and the abundance of climate science, climate reporting and climate science explanations out there?
John from LondonMay 1, 2015 2:21 pm
By the way, the title "Professor" doesn't mean infallible. When a Professor does science that gets thoroughly debunked by the work of other scientists then all you've got to admire and promote is a debunked professor.
John from LondonMay 1, 2015 2:18 pm
Ah, you've got Willie Soon in the list. So, when you say "questions", I take it that you mean questions for cash.
PCAHMay 1, 2015 9:28 am
A major cause of premature cardiovascular deaths is air pollution from nuclear sites. Caesium 137 affects muscles with particular affinity for the heart muscle. Drone mounted AARM monitors nuclear radiation air pollution; since 2006 there has been a tenfold increase in Caesium 137 from the Hinkley Point nuclear site. Premature sudden deaths have increased. Perinatal mortality has doubled and skin cancer (Lupus) is 45% higher in Somerset coastal communities. This is preventable; nuclear regulators must enforce the zero emissions policy following the internationally accepted evidence that there is no safe dose for nuclear radiation exposure.
Orbiting IcebergMay 1, 2015 2:39 am
It really isn't State Department strategy as much as it's Kerry and Gore strategy. John and Al have just bought a Clinton Foundation franchise and expect to open corporate offices offshore in tax free Dubai. They can collect contributions now and claim credit for temperature control later. World leaders can die of old age without any warming on record. OPEC and China have already pledged substantial contributions.
IcemanMay 1, 2015 12:37 am
We have Don Quixote for Secretary of State.
Richard EklundApril 30, 2015 10:53 pm
The polls must be in, John has spoken.
ppiaseckApril 30, 2015 10:25 pm
It is not about climate, but ending Capitalism, Capitalism is the best economic structure for a thriving society and ending poverty...........
PKaaaaaaaayApril 30, 2015 9:53 pm
As someone heavily involved in import/export sales, product development and the like here in the US I can say it's about time we make some ACTUAL moves on this issue. AGW has directly impacted my business and ag in the area for some time now and people here are tired of losing money as a result. This administration needs to stop dragging its feet. Let's get a price on carbon and DITCH the EPA regs that only hurt economic growth
Branny.LoeakApril 30, 2015 7:40 pm
I think I might use the poem as a speech in our Marshallese Diversity here in Job Corps . It's very touching and elukun wor melelein.
GuyBBApril 30, 2015 2:09 pm
Well! That's a relief! With Kerry on point, we needn't worry about anything getting done until he's been buried 20 years.
Robin_GuenierApril 30, 2015 10:48 am
Note the comments here: http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/content/journalists-names-memorial-those-who-denied-climate-change-university
Kurt KuzbaApril 30, 2015 10:31 am
Good. Keep that there for one thousand years. In the meantime, consider how we will replenish fresh water resources, or "redistribute wealth" as the experts put it, without the seas becoming much warmer and being able to force water vapor far inland to provide the fresh water resources that have maintained the current global climate plateau for the past several thousand years.
VestiasApril 30, 2015 10:22 am
I hope that the government of Nepal has political will and help international humanitarian agencies to support needed to help arrives as fast possible the people who need the homeless my prayers are with the people of Nepal
Linda NicholesApril 30, 2015 7:26 am
Good news every once in awhile is SO refreshing! It's great to know our efforts have made some impact. But, Man, do we have a long ways to go!!
18th streetApril 30, 2015 6:31 am
Name-calling is not a problem as long as it is accurate.
18th streetApril 30, 2015 6:29 am
It appears that you are the POS if you can't accept the fact that Antarctic ice is at a record high. You must be a complete fool if you think any sponsor will pay any attention at all to your gibberish. Get a life.
18th streetApril 30, 2015 6:26 am
The truly sad thing is what an idiot you are for saying "anyone who has an interest in denying the existence of global warming will point to the raising anctarcic sea ice as proofe positive". Are there any intelligent people at all in the global warming crowd?You certianly are not one of them.
lindzen4pmApril 29, 2015 10:42 pm
Another website that has no truck with contrary views. Hence abundance of comments.
CJ CroninApril 29, 2015 10:28 pm
Well, it's a bit like talking to a dinosaur who thinks he is a 'survivor', whilst anyone with knowledge of that animal's future can see how self-delusional he was. So let's be realistic. What you are not seeing is that in order for us to survive and not completely wreck the planet oil and coal need to be outlawed. Immersed in the oil industry as you so obviously are you do not see that particular future at all and that is understandable, however it is the actual state of affairs like it or not. Your moms and dads pension funds are already divesting from minded fuels, as are the banks - running like the rats on a sinking ship that they are. The truth is we don't need coal or oil any more than we need tobacco or the sugar industry or even for that matter the stock market. We are better off without all these destructive elements in our lives. The coal and oil industries have caused untold damage to the environment and haven't paid a cent toward cleaning up their filth, in fact they are even subsidized to the tune of billions of dollars by the Federal government. Why not stop screwing around and simply put these subsidies into renewable energy? There are any number of alternative forms of clean energy, and even if you wanted to use petro chemicals look at all the useful clean technologies that have been bought up and extinguished by the fossil fuel industries. Audi has just invented a means of making diesel fuel from water, carbon dioxide and renewable energy - that's a closed loop system. If we have to have petro fuels, at least make them closed loop, and that is not possible if you mine them. This is the bottom line, oil and coal expand the economy, there is no doubt about that, but there is no payback to nature for cleaning up the pollution, and now nature is exhausted. 30,000 species a year extinct, ballooning human populations encroaching every corner of the globe, 90% of forests felled, hundreds of marine species on the verge of extinction - thanks very much coal and oil. And you're talking about pension funds. Even if you stopped the production of all CO2 right now, the Earth would not respond for over 30 years. The is a huge spaceship we are on and it responds ponderously. Go past the tipping points - and we just did with 400 ppm CO2 - (and we are increasing the levels of CO2 each year, not decreasing) and 30 years from now the world will be paying us back for our selfish neglect like Thor's hammer. You think Katrina was bad with its $1 billion dollar clean up bill? You ain't seen nuthin yet. Munich Re, the biggest insurance company in the world, predicts all national economies will be bankrupt by midway through this century due to the damage of global warming. And you want to talk about the oil industry and pension funds? To point out that you are as mentally removed from what is actually happening to nature as was the dinosaur from the truth of his future, is quite an understatement.
lindzen4pmApril 29, 2015 8:28 pm
Presumably he forgot to add:- Professor Richard Linden Professor Henrik Svensmark Dr. Roy Spencer Professor William Napper Professor Nir Shaviv Professor Willie Soon Professor Phillip Stott Professor William M. Gary Professor Don Easterbrook Professor Ian Primer Professor Pat Michaels Professor Freeman Dyson Professor Judith Curry Professor Ole Humlum Professor Tim Ball Professor Ian Clark Professor Wibjorn Karlen Professor David Legates Professor Anthony Lupo Professor David Douglass Professor Tim Patterson Professor Murray Salby Professor Tad Murty And all the other 'denier' members of the 'dying breed' who dare question the orthodoxy. After all, science is never advanced by asking questions, and the threat of arrest is a novel way of ensuring conformity and the required stasis. Welcome to the New Endarkenment.
Tuxedo_PlowboyApril 29, 2015 7:16 pm
I just knew a story would come out about this earthquake was also caused by man made climate change. You know if they left ketchup off my quarter pounder that was caused climate change too!!
g_sorosApril 29, 2015 6:42 pm
There is absolutely no basis for predicting increased extreme weather. No matter if it is a cold or warm period; you can find any weather extreme you want to find at any time. Tornados are down since 1970. Hurricanes From 1851 through 2010 hurricanes are down. Hurricanes have decreased from the 1851 to 2010 rate since 1978. Droughts and floods are not different than usual. In the Northern Hemisphere, snow is up. Precipitation has increased since 1950. Nutt et al. in their 2007 study of the Great Barrier Reef found that there were fewer hurricanes in the warm 1800-2000 period than during the Little Ice Age years of 1600-1800. Nutt et al. also found that only 1 hurricane from 1800 to 2000 was as powerful as 7 hurricanes in the cooler Little Ice Age years of 1600-1800. This is still far from conclusive data for predictions involving the entire planet. There is no Bureau of Hail Stones. There is no Department of Thunder and Lightning. Weather is weather.
crygdyllynApril 29, 2015 6:02 pm
Trying to understand sea level rise by looking at it, is wrong. Looking at only shows what is happening now, it does nothing to tell us what will happen. The Greenland ice is undergoing internal change that will add to sea level rise. However, it isn't having much impact -- YET. But, it will. Same with the WAIS. The skeptics would be correct if the ocean would continue going up 3mm/year. After a century, that would be only a foot. It won't stay at that rate, however.
GuyBBApril 29, 2015 5:13 pm
Bring on the warming! I would rather deal with the vicissitudes of climate change, than the heavy handed, inept, corrupt and ultimately, futile attempts of the world's governments to do anything. Period. At least climate change would be fair in its dispensation of misery. Whereas the UN and the G20 would heap misery on those who question their power and authority.
GuyBBApril 29, 2015 4:47 pm
Yeah, we can admit that we can't predict earthquakes, but we are sure that temperature rise will start to accelerate...soonish...
anthropgenic agnosticApril 29, 2015 3:20 pm
Are these 6 really deniers, or is it that they don't believe in the religion? Before you say you have the science, do you have one scientific paper(including the supporting math and physics) that shows convincingly (not necessarily proof) that 20th century climate variability was principally caused by CO2? Because climate systems are so massive, it should show evidence that CO2 precedes the temperature variability in the 20th century, but there could be an equally scientific explanation that it doesn't necessarily have to be so as long as it considers the massiveness of the system. If you don't have or know of such a paper, you are part of a religion, not science.
CartoonmickApril 29, 2015 5:47 am
Unfortunately, the only people with authority to act on our behalf are the politicians we elect into power. Many groups, organisations and individuals can plead with these politicians, but, politicians wont do anything about pollution because they don't want to upset the mega corporations who pollute. It seems the best politicians can do is form committees, hold meetings, have inquiries, read reports and stall any possible action which may go against the wishes of these mega polluters. This inaction wont prevent the inevitable, which is portrayed in this cartoon . . . https://cartoonmick.wordpress.... Cheers Mick
Colin McKenzieApril 29, 2015 4:03 am
The Great Green Wall is a very good idea. Greening the dessert is something I'll support and plants and trees need water and lots of it.
Tuxedo_PlowboyApril 28, 2015 8:42 pm
Will 2015 be the biggest load of media propaganda about the climate hoax yet??? It sure will. At this very moment I am preparing the bar graphs and the red and orange maps to prove it!!!
Michael NardacciApril 28, 2015 6:11 pm
With all of the problems in the Catholic Church--closing churches, closing schools, collapse in vocations to the priesthood, nuns, and lay brothers--the LAST thing the church needs to focus on is this pie-in-the-sky nonsense. The climate has ALWAYS been changing and the idea that humans can stop that is hubris of the highest sort.
ingersolApril 28, 2015 5:33 pm
Deniers like to use satellite data because it is noisy and it doesn't measure surface temperatures but rather temperatures in the mid/upper troposphere which are not expected to rise as much due to AGW. Even to get this much data requires a lot of complicated data manipulation which the (denier favorite) UAH team has gotten wrong in the past and may still be getting wrong. (How do YOU think they should handle the diurnal drift problem?) Compared to that, weather station thermometers are very accurate (and more importantly, very precise) require little or no data adjustment and measure the temperatures where they are of greatest importance: on the surface of the Earth. The trace gas at 0.04% of the atmosphere is a red herring. That tiny amount of gas causes an extra 10e19 Joules of energy to be absorbed by the Earth every day. Finally, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation appears to be moving in a positive phase after being negative for the last ~15 years. Of course these natural oscillations have only minor effects compared to the radiative forcing of an extra 120pppm (0.012%) of CO2 in the atmosphere. In the last 50 years, the global average temperature has rapidly climbed to the highest level in thousands of years. Clearly this cannot be explained by any decadal or multi-decadal oscillation It was over a year ago that climatologists started predicting a high likelihood that 2014 and/or 2015 would set record highs. What were the deniers predicting back then?
MAApril 28, 2015 5:09 pm
So give us more money and the environment will be just fine
Dennis GApril 28, 2015 4:59 pm
So $25 billion was spent in one year with little effect. Sounds about typical for UN type "do gooder" projects.
Paul M RaupApril 28, 2015 4:53 pm
Translation: the redistribution from rich countries to the poor African countries is not happening FAST enough.............
Michael CurtisApril 28, 2015 4:36 pm
Translation = Give me more money. The US absorbs 15 percent MORE CO2 then it produces, they should be paying us....
BuggerthatApril 28, 2015 1:36 pm
It was brilliant. I wanted to give Obama a standing ovation.
tmalthus2010April 28, 2015 12:35 pm
Of course it will. They already have the "data."
Paul M RaupApril 28, 2015 12:12 pm
Hey, if we can manipulate unemployment data to show improvement for six straight recovery summers, this should be a piece of cake !
Paul M RaupApril 28, 2015 12:10 pm
Perhaps the pension funds should sue the envirowhackos and the United Nations for being so anti-capitalist and hurting businesses as well............
Robin_GuenierApril 28, 2015 10:33 am
I believe most conservatives would agree that Global Warming is real. But I doubt if many would agree with him if he went on to say that the answer to the potential problem is, as some seem to think, to deprive the world's poorest people of access to the massive benefits of affordable, reliable energy - via, as China has shown and India is showing, burning fossil fuels.
netprophetApril 28, 2015 3:02 am
More BS from government paid propaganda artists. Temperatures are not rising. Satellite data show no warming in 18 years. The temp increases NASA uses to declare 2014 to be the hottest year are hundredths of a deg. Gauges are not even precise to 0.5 deg F. Second 50% of land based gauges are in the US. Third, land-based gauges used to be mercury, now they are platinum resistance and the latter show on average much higher readings, as much as 1.0 deg F. And finally, how can they correlate much less prove cause and affect from a trace gas that is 0.04% of the atmosphere? Many climate scientists think the ocean oscillators, the greatest heat sink on earth will be ushering in the beginning of a 30 year cooling trend.
Mike CApril 28, 2015 2:56 am
Yep, this shows that we've gained about 1 deg C since 1850, which is about when the Little Ice Age ended. Surprise -- it often warms up after a cold period ends.
g_sorosApril 28, 2015 2:08 am
Since climate scientists at the IPCC reported that the global warming rate for the last two decades has been about 0.04C per decade, it will take at least 250 years to rise to 1.0C above present temperature levels. As the hiatus continues and the downward trend reported by the IPCC continues, global cooling could possibly become the greatest danger to plants and animals. IPCC AR5 FINAL Ch. 9, p. 769, para.1Box 9.2 Climate Models and the Hiatus in Global Mean Surface Warming of the Past 15 Years “The observed global mean surface temperature (GMST) has shown a much smaller increasing linear trend over the past 15 years than over the past 30 to 60 years (Section 2.4.3, Figure 2.20, Table 2.7; Figure 9.8; Box 9.2 Figure 1a, c). Depending on the observational data set, the GMST trend over 1998–2012 is estimated to be around one-third to one-half of the trend over 1951–2012 (Section 2.4.3, Table 2.7; Box 9.2 Figure 1a, c). For example, in HadCRUT4 the trend is 0.04ºC per decade over 1998–2012, compared to 0.11ºC per decade over 1951–2012.”
slycatApril 28, 2015 12:44 am
Jesus himself could return from the heavens with nothing to say other then Global Warming is real and the conservatives still wouldn't believe him.
bartleby's dogApril 28, 2015 12:40 am
This is the only pope, in ages, who's earned the right to wear that funny hat. Rock on pontiff. Give 'em hell.
Mr Richmond BrightonApril 27, 2015 10:47 pm
SO WHAT !
Patrick MukoraApril 27, 2015 12:41 pm
... this sounds interesting ... do you have a contact for Michael Kibue, the Innovations Manager ???
cardfanatic6666April 26, 2015 6:04 pm
It doesn't even matter if climate change is real or not. We already know the money raised will be wasted by the bureaucrats and accomplish nothing for the planet.. Only wealthy western nations fret about climate change. China and India are adding a brand new coal fired power plant every week. How about China, India, Africa, South America, the middle east all laugh at how naïve Western countries are and they have no intention of giving up anything to aid in the climate change nonsense.
Rodney RobinsonApril 26, 2015 3:28 pm
Wow! Battery cost dropped from $1000/kwh to $300 in 7 years. My question would be is this drop an exponential move? We already have world wide solar electric power moving upwards exponentially. Hard to believe, but Ray Kurzweil has charted the rise of solar power and predicts that we will get over100% of our electricity from solar by 2027. California utilities have for a long time planned to capture spare electricity from electric powered cars that are plugged into the grid during peak usage hours. It is going to solar. Clean, abundant, local, no moving parts, and billions of years before the supply runs out. Combine that with less expensive batteries with more capacity and we can get an idea of what is coming. Solar airplane is flying around the world right now. Exciting times ahead.
UaakeiaApril 26, 2015 3:21 pm
I am a University student and looking for reports on climate change. Are there any materials I could use in my research? I would prefer reports in pdf or doc format
Lance1234April 26, 2015 3:19 pm
We can save the planet from the bogyman by all developed nations becoming Venezuela and undermine the value of their currency. Is this a scam? Track the flow of both real money, the make believe money created from whole cloth, and see whose hands control its flow and what entities end up with it in their bank accounts.
PygmalionApril 26, 2015 2:37 pm
They are revising hopes in anticipation of the inevitable reality. The truth many Americans are unaware of is that climate change is no longer high on anyone's agenda outside the US, where it is a partisan political issue. Europeans in particular no longer report on the issue (for a decade now) and even the powerful, European "green" parties no longer carry it anywhere in their platforms, as Europeans have recognized the whole thing was blown way out of proportion, and simply is not the burning issue its purveyors would have us believe. It didn't happen.
socalpaApril 26, 2015 7:47 am
Well, global support for climate action has collapsed over the past four years. - Five really . After the "Climategate" e-mails did tremendous damage to Copenhagen ,in 2013 the journals reported that the GHG signal has all but disappeared in the observed temp data since 1992. - Most major emitters are aware of this and the political prices for limiting energy availability ,sources or raising energy costs. - They did not miss what happened in Australia last year.
EhuudApril 26, 2015 6:47 am
The solution to every liberal crisis whether it be real or imagined is always the same. The government or the UN needs massive amounts of money.
JimApril 26, 2015 6:35 am
So, the Green Climate Fund gets revenues only from pledges from industrialized nations. And they're going to issue bonds, which would presumably be paid back from future pledges - with little or no interest, according to the article. Yet, the fund is supposed to pay for projects related to climate change in third world countries - again, with money from pledges. Am I the only one who thinks this sounds like a classic pyramid scheme? The countries still holding those bonds when the fund evaporates are going to get soaked.
mbee1April 25, 2015 8:21 pm
One year in the 1960's was lower also. We apparently had a long cold period when we started measuring. Look up this October 1922 article George Nicolas, the Changing Arctic.
mbee1April 25, 2015 8:15 pm
Barley, the guy asked to review the research which is at nasa. Unfortunately you do the same thing a lot of believers do, you give the talking heads versions of the research not the actual research paper which can be found at NASA, you just have to search around. The amount of garbage at NASA and NOAA is much more than the actual research papers, that garbage is political not the science just like NOAA claim 2014 was the warmest year, the actual research paper did not say that.
mbee1April 25, 2015 8:12 pm
You cite a reference written 300 years later. The the place was discovered at the height of the medieval warm period when it got colder a danish study found the grass feed animals disappeared replaced with fish and eventually the settlements disappeared as it was to cold to live in Greenland.
mbee1April 25, 2015 8:08 pm
One wonder how to begin with someone who knows nothing yet claims to know everything. Lets try this http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/snow-and-ice/extent/snow-cover/nhland/0 Take a look at last year at this time, same sea ice extent and than look at the low in th 1960's. The world is not ending anytime soon. The paper on undersea volcanism you can look up for yourself. I notice one thing from true believers they on mass tend to be extremely lazy about looking up things though they cite reams of articles from talking heads. If you think the worlds ice is actually melting and the oceans are rising look up the Mean Sea Level Trend 16169000 Johnston Atoll, Pacific Ocean. .75 +-.56 mm yr a change of .25 feet in 100 years which is near NASA planning for Florida of 5 inches by 2100 AD.
Muriel GrimaldiApril 25, 2015 7:39 pm
You all should be ashamed y'r telling him. If y want to undestand what's going on... learn french : http://ecosophie.org/ Now my question to Yeb Sano : if you don't clearly ask atheists to join the movement, wo'nt it be more coherent for me to stop fasting for climate every 1° first of the month ?
VestiasApril 25, 2015 11:59 am
Hope to see more energy to be generated from renewable sources in the near future and trager dow the global coal dependency and gas
Bob BinghamApril 25, 2015 9:49 am
Very optimistic outlook. This is Florida http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/blog/sea-level-rise-may-not-be-all-of-floridas-problems And this ic New Zealand. http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/blog/infrastructure-loss-in-new-zealand-due-to-sea-level-rise
Waclaw Jerzy Borken-HagenApril 25, 2015 5:16 am
Great, some more idiotic ideas from the loony globalist camp. Challenges posed by the climate change are not averted by their utopian responses. It is an excuse for unethical money grab with no influence on the climate.
Scottish ScientistApril 25, 2015 2:15 am
"The UK has reached the limit on hydro" (paraphrased) said Andrew Neil questioning the parties' energy and climate change spokespersons on the Daily Politics, first broadcast on 20th April and rebroadcasting just now on BBC Parliament. What Mr Neil meant is that even it would be nice to build more hydro-electric schemes to provide renewable power when the wind is not blowing (sun is not shining etc), regrettably there are no more suitable sites to build more hydro schemes in the UK. Actually, I have a plan to build a new massive pumped-storage hydro scheme in Scotland which could keep the UK's lights on 24/7, in a 100% renewable energy way. World’s biggest-ever pumped-storage hydro-scheme, for Scotland? https://scottishscientist.wordpress.com/2015/04/15/worlds-biggest-ever-pumped-storage-hydro-scheme-for-scotland/ So Andrew Neil was wrong. The orthodoxy about "the UK has reached the limit on hydro" is wrong.
fishin_in_the_muckApril 24, 2015 11:48 pm
My Gawd you're an idiot! It was Norwegian soldiers. And the Arctic had nothing to do with it!! Dummkopf!
mapsguy1955April 24, 2015 8:18 pm
This is a good idea. With the exception of the fossil fuel energy companies, the vast majority of businesses and countries are already planning for contingencies due to climate change. This could be a way to move everything along much faster without having to fight the onslaught of status quo oligarchs...
VicApril 24, 2015 1:55 pm
Kerry needs to promote companies to look at emulsion fuels. The controlled mixing and stabilisation of tiny water particles is the key. During compustion the water atomises in micro explosions. The resulting shock waves smash fuel particles to much smaller sizes resulting in complete burnout and near zero black carbon. A british company, Quadrise Fuels is working with Maersk on this for commercial rollout.Vic
JohnApril 24, 2015 1:36 pm
Because obviously very few people have WiFi in their homes these days or, for that matter, telecommunication devices permanently on in their pockets. Have one in their basement is going to cause a world of pain.....
LuApril 24, 2015 1:20 pm
Then why are you on this site? Do you know what the 'cc' stands for ? Seems odd for someone critical of coverage climate change to go to a site which specialises in it?
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 10:49 am
which of course explains why new maps have had to be drawn up for the far north, and why every nation with a border up there has been trying to redraw the borders in a way that lets them have more SPACE - because they can sail ships where they could not and get at the undersea oil in the Arctic, which they could not get to previously due to the ice.
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 10:42 am
Sorry, but NASA says the opposite http://www.nasa.gov/jpl/news/antarctic-ice-sheet-20140512/#.VToNYJPQOis http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-148 http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=83672 If you do a search using this link to NASA : http://nasasearch.nasa.gov/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&affiliate=nasa&query=west+antarctic+ice+sheet&commit=Search You will get a long list of papers that all say it is melting, and now so unstable that the melt cannot be stopped. And not on NASA http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/science/earth/collapse-of-parts-of-west-antarctica-ice-sheet-has-begun-scientists-say.html
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 10:29 am
You do know that Greenland (which is mostly ice and used to be covered by MORE ice... recall we are LEAVING an ice age) was named that, by the Norse. Erik the Red wanted people to move there so he gave it a tempting name. It was a scam (call that swamp over there a name with "dry" in it, how about "High and dry acres", so that people will buy the swap land. We learned this in about 3rd grade. I thought everyone knew about the Greenland/Iceland scam. Have some quotes that come from the actual Sagas : Erik the Red coined the name In both the Book of Icelanders (Íslendingabók)—a medieval account of Icelandic history from the 12th century onward—and the Icelandic saga, The Saga of Eric the Red (Eiríks saga rauða)—a medieval account of his life and of the Norse settlement of Greenland—it is written, "He named the land Greenland, saying that people would be eager to go there if it had a good name."
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 10:16 am
reference to the paper on undersea volcanism. You are aware that there is so much open sea now up north that nations are trying to redraw borders so they can drill for oil in the Arctic in places that is was ONCE too cold to drill in?
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 10:11 am
> no warning in the past 17 years according to WHO? and you need to read this ( http://desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/fake2.pdf ) because it talks about how peopel with large financial interests play games with numbers, to try and fool people. There's a good book on the topic (it requires some understand of mathematics) called "How to Lie With Statistics. And a few citations, which I expect you will discard in favour of those that say what you want to hear (a fallacy called "selection bias) http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/17/science/earth/2014-was-hottest-year-on-record-surpassing-2010.html?_r=0 http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/01/16/Global-Warming-Confirmed-2014-Hottest-Record http://www.climatecentral.org/news/australia-has-hottest-summer-on-record-consistent-with-global-warming-15679 http://www.un.org/climatechange/blog/2015/02/21st-century-hottest-record-global-warming-continues-un/ quote- "Pollution a real concern for us has gotten much better over 50 years too" Pollution is BETTER? I'm over 50. It's way worse. There is Roundup & Triclosan in breast milk, and also in all the samples of the rain and AIR in North America, and fish in the lakes are being turned female from the oestrogen pollution in the rain, and the salmon in the Columbia River are "endangered" from estrogenic argro chemical run off. The males are mostly sterile. That is not "better". Thre are many hundreds of thousand of untested mand made substances in out water supply. The Pacific Ocean has a huge mass of plasic on it that stretchs across most of the distance from California to Japan. Meanwhile DOWN DEEP there is a huge amount of radioactive heavy metals moving west from Japan. Better?
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 9:19 am
find me a citation
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 9:16 am
" ZERO measurable warming in 18 years" Do you actually read anything NOT written by somebody with a dismissive agenda... one that just reports fact? The last several years are the warmest on record. I live in Australia and it is HOT here, with summer temps far into the autumn and starting far sooner in the spring. Mind you it has had the advantage that Ihave had to cut less wood for the fire...and my heating bills went down ... buy power used for FANS in the summer has gone up. Rooftop solar is the only thing that has kept our electrical grid stable in the summer heat.
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 9:13 am
"Global Warming" became "climate change" as a political manoeuvre to stop calling it by the same term... a term that started out as "man made global warming". Changing terminology is an old trick. Stop saying you killed a bunch of civilians by mistake (or your own people) and call it "collateral damage". That way nobody is to blame. Politics is all about amassing power and money, wrapping yourself in the flag, and dodging responsibility
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 9:06 am
We live in a world where "skeptic" has come to mean "unwilling to look or learn". In this era a "skeptic" is a person who insists that rain is a myth, while drowning in the middle of a hurricane. Being "skeptical" means you are not yet convinced, NOT that you are unwilling to think (have an opinion and will never change it)
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 9:03 am
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it THINK". And on twitter you have to count the # of characters you use in your directions to the water hole
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 9:00 am
So Willaims was "blown away" by the idea that people were mostly "preaching to the choir". Why? That is daily life. The concept that nobody was being persuaded to change their ideas... on TWITTER ... where you can't say anything that has enough characters in it to explain any point of view? The "shallowest place on earth"?
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 6:38 am
and by the way, it's Switzerland that says neutral all the time. Sort like the guy who holds everybody's coats for them when there is a fight (and goes through the pockets to see if there is anything good). Switzerland is the land of neutral bankers who will work with anyone (for their percent). A wealthy nation with 5 official languages on the signs, in which every person is REQUIRED by law to do their time in the military, and then take all their weapons home with them and keep them handy (the machine guns too) - which makes it very unattractive to fight them...especially since they don't care who you're torturing or invading, they'll still invest your money for you (even in places that are highly profitable, but there are "direct" embargoes against you).
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 6:32 am
of course. How could the Koch Brothers manage to survive without a few extra handouts
BarleySingerApril 24, 2015 2:41 am
how about being the ones who soldiers destroyed hitlers nuclear program...by walking across the Arctic
pgsApril 24, 2015 1:59 am
obviously, they weren't paid enough to get on board
SkimanApril 24, 2015 1:22 am
How typical of the liberal wacko media to focus on"climate change" ( covers both directions)!!! I copied the following from a responsible news source, a budget highlight: "The budget is balanced, with a projected surplus of $1.4 billion this year, increasing to $4.8 billion in 2019-20." So despite the plunge in oil prices, the Canadian federal budget is BALANCED! America are you listening?
PygmalionApril 23, 2015 11:58 pm
Thank you for providing this financial sector news.
Robin_GuenierApril 23, 2015 9:59 pm
The UN meeting in Durban in 2011 established the Durban Platform - said then to be the 'Turning point in the negotiations'. The aim of the Platform was 'to deliver a new and universal greenhouse gas reduction protocol, legal instrument or other outcome with legal force by 2015'. But now the biggest emitters don't think that's any longer necessary for the Paris meeting to be deemed a 'success'. Have I understood that correctly?
Hedley LamarApril 23, 2015 5:25 pm
I'm sure people all over the world will be happy to downgrade their standards of living and give more of their family income to the UN.
BIll TestonApril 23, 2015 4:39 pm
"Pacts" and "Pledges" are just that. Empty promises that nobody has any intention of actually acting on. They are not laws or treaties. It's all a bunch of world stage grandstanding, driving and flying all over hell wasting fuel and resources. Nothing more than a bunch of hypocrites.
jamesApril 23, 2015 4:32 pm
Russia is a joke on these cuts....that forest allows them to increase emissions not cut....They don't even believe in the CAGW theory....My wife is Russian and they are worried about the global cooling that's about to come because we are near the end of the 1000 year cycle.
Nita ShaferApril 23, 2015 2:14 pm
What utter CRAP. When the World Economy Collapses, Global Warming will be a distant memory.
VestiasApril 23, 2015 10:24 am
Happy Sustainability 2015
Nick GrealyApril 23, 2015 9:59 am
Please don't mention the more obvious strategy. Instead of lumping coal, oil and gas together, embrace natural gas. But that's a a global strategy UK greens consistently ignore
CartoonmickApril 23, 2015 7:28 am
Unfortunately, the only people with authority to act on our behalf are the politicians we elect into power. But, politicians wont do anything about pollution because they don't want to upset the mega corporations who pollute. So, the best they can do is form committees, hold meetings, have inquiries, read reports and stall any possible action which may go against the wishes of these mega polluters. This inaction wont prevent the inevitable, which is portrayed in this cartoon . . . https://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-205 Cheers Mick
JohnApril 23, 2015 6:10 am
Human being has no power to alter or change Mother Nature/climate,only the Almighty.
GuyBBApril 23, 2015 12:43 am
Tell them you will sink every boat full of refugees. No more boats, no more problem.
SallysApril 22, 2015 9:39 pm
Thank you for providing this - it helps us all to keep track. Keep up the good work.
VindpustApril 22, 2015 7:18 pm
Do try looking at proper levelised costings rather than Wiki propaganda.
VindpustApril 22, 2015 7:17 pm
Simply untrue according to all the proper levelised costings I have seen e.g. Mott Macdonald for DECC and Parsons Brinkerhoff.
the professor of common senseApril 22, 2015 6:07 pm
You are going to have to burn wood or something to heat that cave. That would mean you would have carbon emissions. You still will be a very evil person. If you really want to achieve zero carbon emissions, you will have to take yourself out and hopefully no CO2 is released as your body decomposes.
GuyBBApril 22, 2015 5:52 pm
Today's paid propaganda message, brought to you by the 'Z'. 'Z' for Zero Carbon. 'Z' for Zero chance. They just announced the results of an "economic study", that says, "Zero Carbon by 2050 is an economic opportunity!" Why, yes! Yes it is! For those who skim from the top, steal from the middle, and undercut the foundations! Tell you what, if it has economic justification, how about letting the market take care of it? We won't need governments to stick their fingers in the pie, for money flows to where it does the most good. Too bad, for you, it is but another lie. Hopefully, Paris will be a complete and utter failure on every level, and we will never have to hear about this scam again!
BIll TestonApril 22, 2015 3:32 pm
Well, the church members can lead the carbon negative charge by removing themselves from the equation. That would be a good start. I've already got my cave picked out, but you'd better hurry, they're pretty limited. The good ones might already be gone.
Tom ServoApril 22, 2015 3:23 pm
And everyone MUST have their own Unicorn which will fart rainbows and crap skittles.
DMNApril 22, 2015 3:18 pm
Ahh no not really. Political corruptionand the rise of terrorism and war over power, which in turn breed poverty. That is what causes illigal emigration into the EU.
HuckfunnApril 22, 2015 1:38 pm
Total drivel. Notice that the global warming narrative is always about what "might" or what "will" happen if we don't repent and send all of our money to the U.N. The warm-mongers only have projections based upon computer models that have been disproven. Just go away.
Sameasit EverwasApril 22, 2015 11:47 am
With the US government sinking 79 billion dollars in AGW....global warming....climate disruption....climate change, or whatever re-branding moniker the farce is calling itself, over the past 10-15 years, my guess is he's following the money.
Steve KahnApril 22, 2015 11:29 am
must be true as there's already a mass exodus out of Miami
Antoine_76April 22, 2015 11:05 am
Don't you think one of the main problem with environment is just that we are too many on earth? I found this interesting debate about this issue: https://netivist.org/debate/world-population-control-the-cure-for-environmental-issues
Mike O'BrienApril 22, 2015 10:56 am
"then head to Vanuatu, recently devastated by Cyclone Pam in one of the most serious disasters the Pacific island nation has ever experience" Which has nothing to do with climate change. But I am sure the fossil fuel burned to make the trip won't add to the CO2 in the atmosphere, right?
cardiganApril 22, 2015 9:02 am
Russia, for example, has no significance because of the collapse of the Soviet industrial base at that time. Germany also had a similar "windfall" with unification and the collapse of East Germany's dirty industrial base. In the meantime India and China continue to industrialise using coal and therefore any commitments from them will be meaningless. The West will of course self-flagellate, in order that our politicians can feel good.
Fred FredricksonApril 22, 2015 3:33 am
But the world needs the Keystone XL pipeline to provide welfare to the Koch Brothers so they'll be happy.
fishin_in_the_muckApril 21, 2015 11:50 pm
Well, don't count on Sweden to have your back when the chips are down! Panty waists!
fishin_in_the_muckApril 21, 2015 11:42 pm
Oh sure! Bash the flavor of the day whipping boy! What has Sweden ever done but say "We're neutral, we're scared, don't hurt us"? Chicken chits!
cardiganApril 21, 2015 11:11 pm
"Scientists estimate two thirds of known fossil fuel reserves must stay in the ground to avoid dangerous climate change. Re-write: Around half a dozen scientists claim that two thirds of known fossil fuel reserves must stay in the ground to avoid dangerous climate change, because they wrote a couple of papers saying so; thousands more disagree.
cardiganApril 21, 2015 11:08 pm
You are clearly not a genius, because contrary to the Playstation claims of the modellers, the climate isn't actually playing ball and changing dramatically.
cardiganApril 21, 2015 11:04 pm
"SOAS staff said "the critical state of the climate crisis" When did that happen? Didn't read about it. Who are these people at SOASACC, ("School of Oriental and African Studies and Climate Change"
JimKApril 21, 2015 10:26 pm
I think political corruption is more of the problem than climate change..
BIll TestonApril 21, 2015 9:29 pm
Heeyyy..... that was sarcasm wasn't it..
DormaApril 21, 2015 3:27 pm
Thanks, 'investing seriously ' actually means funding more hi-carbon development such as the Green Investment Bank backing Death Brought Forward incineration. This is being used to greenwash people into believing it's renewable tinyurl.com/o5xtkue http://tinyurl.com/qg6bpfn http://tinyurl.com/nukqnq6
Leon HermansonApril 21, 2015 2:48 pm
His tropes are under the heading "Science lesson" at the beginning of the article and there is also a link to the rebuttals there.
ObsidianApril 21, 2015 1:22 pm
Yes I have read the report. No I am not paid, but I dislike bullsXXt and this report is BS of the highest order. The regs are very tight, ask anyone who works in them. Mike Hill has been exposed as a fraud and has no experience of WORKING in the regs. Flowback fluid (when it is not reinjected) has to be treated under licence from the EA. They licence all potential polluters and require a certain standard. Its all been looked at by proper scientists, not ill informed authors.
BarryWoodsApril 21, 2015 10:44 am
why not actually list the tropes..... (you seem to label him him, yet provide no evidence) lets see his tropes, and then you can explain why he is wrong.. he was spot on with the locals response to the flooding. and on the back of it Andrew Neil asking Caroline Flint, whether she thought the former head of Environment agency thoughts - put limpet mines on pumping stations, was Labour Policy - she did smile..
VestiasApril 21, 2015 10:21 am
deforestation is illegal is a serious problem and the responsability is shared who does and who fail to take efforts and minimize environmental pollution to land and contaminated water and save our planet unhappy
socalpaApril 21, 2015 6:11 am
Wonderful article ! - What in the World is the World Bank Thinking !
socalpaApril 21, 2015 4:48 am
The World Bank is now facing competition from China . - And there is great anger that India was blocked from the low cost loans it was using to build out its' grid by the Internantional finance community ,including the world Bank because they (India) were developing coal for electricity.
Robin_GuenierApril 20, 2015 5:40 pm
' ... by all of the world's science experts in the related venues.' Have you any evidence to support that sweeping statement? Thanks.
Robin_GuenierApril 20, 2015 5:36 pm
So, David, you think Professor Curry is a 'denier'. As she's Professor and former Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology that's obviously absurd. Read her full testimony (link below) and tell me precisely what you think she's denying. Thanks.
GuyBBApril 20, 2015 4:31 pm
Oh, then that is where the politics takes over? And they scream, "SCIENCE!", and use those 'not' predictions of the future to justify anything and everything on their green tyranny checklist?
zappafan1AApril 20, 2015 3:17 pm
As expected, it is nature that caused this to happen in the past, although there was no mention made of the meteors that hit Earth previously thought to cause it to happen. CO2 is plant food, folks. It's so weak of a "greenhouse gas" as to be almost harmless, and is almost nonexistent in Earths atmosphere. The climate is driven by the reaction between the Sun and atmospheric water vapor; not CO2.
anthropgenic agnosticApril 20, 2015 12:04 pm
A cut in relative GDP emissions is fair. It is also fair to evaluate emissions on a Per Capita basis. Asking countries to reduce emissions on a country percentage basis is unfair, since it allows the developed countries to enjoy the growth benefits of a very high level of Per Capita fossil fuel use, while preventing developing countries from doing the same. This is not only unfair, it is immoral and hypocritical, since the developed countries caused this supposed problem. If the developed countries want to ask the developing countries to limit fossil fuel use, they should put their money where their mouth is, and subsidize developing countries' renewables to an extent covering the cost difference as compared to fossil fuel use.
gwayneApril 20, 2015 4:19 am
It is with a great disappointment that the only manner that AGW will ever be altered and the current rates of fossil fuel usage reduced to a much reduced level and eventually ended altogether is with a uniting of all of the worlds governments supported by the people.The other alternative is a looking forward to the unintended and observed climate changes that will become commonplace in our future with all of the truly destructive events that will alter the lifestyles of those who have little desire to change to sustainable lifestyles.The future is in our hands and there will be no god that will ever be able to save us from our predictable futures.
Saint ScienceApril 20, 2015 2:52 am
In predicting the global impact of ocean acidification, some have concluded that around the year 2050 the pH of the oceans will drop below the level at which many oxygen producing micro-organisms, such as coccolithophores, are able to build calcarious shells. Such organisms contribute significantly to the world's oceanic and atmospheric oxygen levels. This means that both the oceanic and terrestrial ecosystems will be under stress and will be less productive. The result will be a major global culling event of all life on the Earth, including man. The silver lining is that mankind will evolve through the process and man will eventually be able to restore the Earth to her pre-human glory. People born in the present will bear the brunt of what will be the greatest challenge to man and the biosphere of the planet in recorded history. The more we make ocean acidification a well known process in the present, the better prepared our offspring will be when the acid hits the fan.
Ira Tateu ☻♥☺April 20, 2015 12:31 am
Yes, and the US costs to install overall are the highest on the planet despite our obvious advantages. I think this is where people should start questioning Obama's real motives. I have no room for the political football, but his words never match his results. Promises such as health care which only drive the costs up in a global comparison. This is the problem with an executive with no experience. My kid has great intentions but without guidance it does'nt matter. Does anyone get that ?
Oliver W. DouglasApril 19, 2015 10:03 pm
Hmmm, so we're releasing 4 times as much CO2 today, which means we will trigger extinction in one-fourth the time? That means we still have 15,000 years to go before Lisa's pancakes will kill us all!
chfnelsonApril 19, 2015 11:12 am
Nice, slanted article. It was the Siberian Traps, the massive volcanic eruptions in modern day Russia that caused the extinction. They erupted for over a million years, causing the whole world to change. Hardly man caused, but the article wants you to believe that our puny output could cause the same thing. http://www.livescience.com/41909-new-clues-permian-mass-extinction.html
BobApril 19, 2015 6:43 am
Really I want to know how acurate measuring is 252 MILLION years later? What was the pecent of acidification and how was it caused? If much greater than fossil fuels could deliever today who cares.
Charles HammondApril 19, 2015 5:56 am
It is called volcanic eruptions. Volcanoes often release poison gas and ash. There was a volcano In Korea that caused such devastation that it deposited inches of ash as far away as Japan. The eruption cause entire civilization to have to relocate hundreds of miles away.
Kevin V NaranekApril 19, 2015 5:15 am
During the Permian Period Co2 levels were at least 400ppm and were probably slightly higher by the middle of that 45 million year period. At the PT Boundary CO2 levels could have been 1000ppm they could have been as high as 2000ppm. This paper at NOAA says the latest figure for CO2 levels was about 3550ppm. http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/people/dezheng.sun/lectures/changes/Kiehl-Shields.pdf. Sea surface temperature seem to also be be very much higher than today the further you move from the equator. Tropospheric temperatures seem to have been consistently much higher during the Permian than today. At the boundary temperature were higher than today by a very wide margin. One must also consider plate tectonics of the planet have changed in the past 250 million years. "The latest Permian simulation with present level CO2 yields annual mean zonal mean polar land temperatures that are below the freezing level, although these temperatures are warmer than the present-day simulation. This polar warming relative to present day is related to open ocean areas that allow for poleward heat transport that is not possible with present geography (e.g., Greenland and Antarctica). We conclude from the comparison of these simulations that elevated CO2 is the dominant reason for the warm polar regions, and that the existence of ocean heat transport poleward of ~60deg north and south contributes to additional warming,as do lower surface albedos due to the lack of permanent land ice. Surface air temperatures are 10–40degC warmer than the present-day control simulation at the highest southern latitudes (see Fig.1, sidebar). In the Northern Hemisphere winter land temperatures are 10–20degC warmer than the present-day simulation and are more consistent with the paleoclimatic data." http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/people/dezheng.sun/lectures/changes/Kiehl-Shields.pdf [ again ] So lets wait in see. If temperatures begin to look like the above, you may have a point.
JimboApril 19, 2015 5:01 am
Wait a minute.. Haven't they told us for years that the dinosaurs died when an asteroid or comet struck the earth and blacked out the sun, causing the death of vegetation which sustained the dinos? What's even more ironic is that all the actions taken by scientists to attack "the ozone hole" in the early 80's released enormous amounts of C02 and carbon into the atmosphere. And "the ozone hole" was later proven to be a natural event which occurs every 50,000 years.
ectogamitApril 19, 2015 4:47 am
252 million years ago man made global warming was already a problem.
BilldokieApril 19, 2015 4:41 am
I remember my great grandfather telling me about this and he said that the fish were cooked by the time he got them in the boat. Really saved of energy at the local restaurants!
VarneyApril 19, 2015 4:39 am
Salt water aquarium owners know this delicate balance all too well.
Arthur WiltonApril 19, 2015 4:36 am
The study is interesting and provocative. However, if some other event, such as a nearby supernova, had killed most life forms on Earth, there would probably have been a big buildup of CO2 in the atmosphere. Oxygen is too reactive to remain in an unbound state for long. The rise in CO2 and ocean acidity could be cause, effect, or both.
LeblonApril 19, 2015 4:34 am
"The Great Dying", all life descended from a few survivors, a change in the chemical makeup of the ocean - well I'll be, I think they just proved the great flood though there's a couple hundred geochronometers that show their age estimates are way out of whack.
frank cannonApril 19, 2015 4:24 am
well you cant blame fred flintstone he used footpower
montana3802April 19, 2015 3:00 am
And just how long do you think it will be before this happens again? You know in 50 million years this will be a moot point due to the fact the sun is going to burn out and we'll all be dead.
Richard R SolbergApril 19, 2015 2:02 am
This article was produced by the Climate News Network - This says it all , another scare article
ConMeGuyApril 19, 2015 1:58 am
"Palaeontologists, geologists, climate scientists and astronomers have all speculated on the probable cause." "The latest and most confident analysis is" not the same as "Scientists have identified the lethal agency that caused the single most catastrophic event in the history of life on Earth." In other words, they THINK that they MIGHT know the PROBABLE cause of the single most catastrophic event in the history of life on earth. It's all speculation and hypothesis. They weren't there, they can't observe, they don't know. Misleading title. More drivel from the proponents of the religion.
jay markApril 19, 2015 1:52 am
I knew it! Man-made pollution, man-made CO2 levels were around 250 million years ago. Someone, tell algorejr so he can immediately issue a press release and garner more bucks for his carbon footprint. Global climate change caused by pollution, the only thing man has ever done. BTW, does anyone know the "read more on" has acidification spelled wrong? In truth, the CO2 levels of the Jurassic Age were four times higher than today's levels, proving you can't trust those dinosaurs.
CatskinnerApril 19, 2015 1:49 am
So where did the CO2 come from then? Suburbans? Power plants? What jerks!!!
John TataApril 19, 2015 1:36 am
Dare I mention those who believe the Earth is only 5,000 years old? Science shows us how ecosystems are "limited." Greed and over population pushes those limits. It will be mankind's undoing. However, Mother Nature will clean the planet. At least the Earth will survive to begin the process over again (i.e. Rinse and repeat, without us.) Hopefully, one day there will be intelligent life on Earth.
David RiceApril 19, 2015 1:15 am
"... the world’s first climate change treaty" Er, you mean "world's second climate change treaty." The sharp decrease in stratospheric ozone was, and still is, causing Earth's climate to change, and the Montreal treaty has been working to solve that part of the crisis.
al lenApril 19, 2015 1:15 am
There will always be unending theories about the mysteries of life on Earth and all of them won't be truth. Speculate till you rot, unless you have a complete account of the past you'll only be playing with your imagination deluding yourself of fake assumptions.
David RiceApril 19, 2015 1:13 am
The writer is upset that twitter is polarized towards reality and science, and against hysterical conspiracy alarmists whom the writer calls, laughingly, "sceptics."
David RiceApril 19, 2015 1:11 am
"... Michael Mann, is well known for blocking anyone who disagrees with him" You mean "who abuses him." Mann has never blocked anyone who does not agree with him.
David RiceApril 19, 2015 1:11 am
Deniers have no idea what the word "skeptic" means. Nor do they understand the fact that all of the world's scientists are not "activists."
David RiceApril 19, 2015 1:10 am
Er, twitter did not poll activists nor skeptics. They polled science communicators who explain human-caused climate change and deniers of reality. Maybe you should have read the Twitter notice before pretending to tell everyone what it says, eh?
David RiceApril 19, 2015 1:07 am
"whatever is that supposed to mean?" Deniers dislike being called "deniers," so some people call deniers "contrarians." See now?
David RiceApril 19, 2015 1:06 am
"None of their models can possibly be counted on to predict the future." Science models don't predict the future; no scientists say science models predict the future;that is not what science models are for. Sheeeish.
David RiceApril 19, 2015 1:05 am
"... citing natural causes related to shifts in solar and volcanic activity." Yes, and she has been told she is wrong many hundreds of times by all of the world's science experts in the related venues. She repeats the same lies because it is, literally, her business to lie.
ArchangelApril 19, 2015 12:48 am
Well then, who is responsible for the release of 2.4 billion tons a year of CO2 into the atmosphere 252 million years ago? It is quite obvious that it was not the result of human influence and it is also quite obvious that there are no obvious resemblances between the planet then and now! How pathetic! Is there no level of degradation to which these lunatics won't lower themselves?
spec9April 19, 2015 12:44 am
And this is why 'geoengineering' doesn't solve the fossil fuel problem.
jzandenskyApril 19, 2015 12:17 am
The obots will blame this on the SUV-driving teaparty conservative, also.
Michael DeierhoiApril 19, 2015 12:07 am
I very much enjoy articles like this as it touches on enough of the science to keep me interested. I would like to hear more about the PTB extinction as it relates to carbon isotopic excursions. Because this was a huge release of CO2 that would make it a positive CIE correct? It will be interesting to follow this research over the next few years and how it relates to current CO2 rise. I want to also point out that the rate quoted in the last paragraph for the amount of carbon released by humans is 10 billion tons per year seems way to low. It hit me as I was writing that sentence that 10 billion may actually be correct. The molecular weight of carbon is 12 and that of oxygen is 16. The chemical formula is CO2. so doing the math we get 12 plus 2(16) which is 44. And 44 billion tons is the amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere by our burning of fossil fuels in 2014. I suppose that a estimated figure for the carbon released in 2014 was used but wouldn't 12 billion tons be more accurate? Actually, I am saying this with a tongue in cheek because it is only coincidental that the two figures match above.
LindaApril 19, 2015 12:03 am
One trillion dollar of damage to what? How bad is the ocean's acidity? Is it in localized areas or wide spread? Many factors left out of this article. Mega volcanos are deadly. Is that what this article is referring to?
the professor of common senseApril 18, 2015 11:32 pm
2.4 billion a year times 60000 years verses 10 billion a year for just a few decades at most. I think we are fine.
Hal GuernseyApril 18, 2015 11:30 pm
It seems only appropriate that such an article would appear on RTCC.org which would be more than enthusiastic to be a sponsor for any politically-driven article with a manufactured “global-warming” connection to support their confirmation bias. The article spawns a dubious chain of propositions: something mysterious caused excessive atmospheric CO2, which then supposedly caused excessive levels of oceanic CO2, which killed off most of sea life, and this supposedly caused the major extinction event 250 million years ago! Note that this supposition could fail at any point along the chain as none of it is actually proven, despite the claimants’ message that it is a done deal, beyond question (just like most “global-warming” claims). Of course it could be that something more logical was responsible for the extinction event, not the actual rise in CO2, which could have been a result of the cause rather than the cause; especially considering that there were no extinction events when atmospheric CO2 was fifteen times what it is today. Why is this claim important, and why is it so important to RTCC.org? Because all the contemporary “global-warming” claims of disaster have been effectively refuted to date, (including oceanic acidity actually). The article’s message tries to rejuvenate the failed “global-warming movement by making this linkage between the “cause” of a major extinction event with the slight rise in atmospheric CO2 over the last century. Typical of our current political and excessively exploited “global-warming” alarmism, this is yet another attempt to scare and manipulate the public.
StormMoonApril 18, 2015 11:25 pm
The cause of the great P-T extinction continues to intrigue and be a subject of much investigation, but this is the first article I have seen that claims to solve the mystery. While ocean acidification is one of the possible causes of the extinction, it seems premature to make such a judgment: why didn't this appear in a peer-reviewed publication? What exactly is the "Climate News Network"? While it seems almost certain that there is a human hand in the rate of current climate change, such fantastic claims as a finding for the P-T extinction seem sensationalistic and are not helpful to a general understanding for this extinction. I'll believe this finding when I see it verified by a reputable source.
Jake from LansingApril 18, 2015 10:55 pm
Darn Koch Brothers caused that catastrophe 252 million years ago too! Those darn Koch Brothers, always doing their best to intentionally destroy the planet.
Bill_BeckhamApril 18, 2015 10:46 pm
It was all those SUV's and the awful petroleum industry.
Dan WaffordApril 18, 2015 10:45 pm
Undoubtedly modern climate scientists will determine that happened because Mother Earth anticipated the damage man would do and acted on it proactively.
Warren O. AndersonApril 18, 2015 10:23 pm
Probably from a large volcanic explosion.....that would be my guess too. One large volcanic eruption could do more damage than anything man could do in a thousand years or more!
JimKApril 18, 2015 10:17 pm
Quick, somebody call Al Gore...there must be some way he can profit from this.
Timmy WagnerApril 18, 2015 10:00 pm
nope it was global warming
Forbin ProjectApril 18, 2015 9:56 pm
“Scientists have long suspected that an ocean acidification event occurred during the greatest mass extinction of all time, but direct evidence has been lacking until now” - how timely? Is this "settled" science with a consensus?
Philip ToddApril 18, 2015 9:55 pm
97% of government climate scientists disagree with you on this Scott. http://www.unep.org/climatechange/Publications/Publication/tabid/429/language/en-US/Default.aspx?ID=6306
DafactsApril 18, 2015 9:30 pm
Acidification is a play on words , the correct term is alkaline and the alkalinity changes through out the day , there is no chance of the oceans becoming acid ever . Just strait out scaremongering .
mapsguy1955April 18, 2015 9:27 pm
Those with the money don't care. What took millions of years to create will be burned off in a few hundred, and this doesn't have ramifications?
jabbadonutApril 18, 2015 9:25 pm
What a load of hooey. The alarmists just won't stop, will they?
Joe R. TaylorApril 18, 2015 9:02 pm
This info is more than twenty years old. This chemical reaction in the water, atmosphere, and on terra firma cleansed the world of a carbon dioxide air and introduced a more stable mixture of oxygen. The reaction also created huge deposits of coal, propane and methane (which is deadly to all living things and is the gas we need to fear more than carbon dioxide) products. There is more history to this evolutionary process "tainted" political and media sources aren't telling you. Geology is a better source for more accurate information on "climate change",…and it's a lot more intriguing…!!!
jplaist002April 18, 2015 8:53 pm
It wasn't the acidification of the oceans, it was the DE-SALINIZATION of the oceans from the great flood of Noah.
Ralph LandauApril 18, 2015 8:53 pm
It would help if a couple of key questions were answered in an article like this: 1. What was the pH swing that caused the mass extinction? From what to what? And where are we now? And how much has it changed in the last 150-200 years? Are the species of today, the descendants of the species with the "right stuff," therefore less susceptible to pH change, and at what drop of pH are they in trouble? This type of info would allow us to gauge where we are in the shift and whether the risk is critical.
ReggieApril 18, 2015 8:46 pm
There is no proof to back this interpretation.
jim benningApril 18, 2015 8:31 pm
"at the boundary of the Permian and Triassic eras 252 million years ago was caused by the acidification of the world’s oceans, as a consequence of an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide." ALL those damn cavemen must have been driving Suburbans and flying Gulfstreams....like Al (I WAS elected) Gore.
hom240 .April 18, 2015 8:31 pm
change. the only guarantee in life.
Thunderboy1April 18, 2015 8:31 pm
Ha!! '...the main gas driving human-caused climate change." Right. 0.04% of our atmosphere being CO2 is NOT driving much of ANYTHING except mass hysteria by the owners of the simian crease.
Joey HopperApril 18, 2015 7:51 pm
The changes in the Permian were not sudden: ecosystems already seriously under stress because of lack of oxygen or rising temperatures were then dramatically affected by discharges of carbon dioxide that were probably much greater than all the modern world’s existing fossil fuel reserves could deliver The whole chain of events took 60,000 years. Humans have been burning fossil fuels for only 200 years, but, the researchers point out, in the Permian crisis, carbon was probably being released into the atmosphere at the rate of about 2.4 billion tons a year.Right now, humans are estimated to be releasing carbon from fossil fuels at the rate of 10 billion tons a year. now according to the first pargraph we couldn't possably cause the acidification of the oceans but the second one says we are causeing it sounds like someone is tring to make something fit where it don't belong or is it just me
Utes1April 18, 2015 7:28 pm
"“There is a popular perception that sceptics must be irrational or unreasonable but this study doesn’t support that at all.” No, but because this article didn't look at the global warming believers, they wouldn't have reported that the negativity and irrationality really comes from the believer's side, not from the denier side.
BobApril 18, 2015 7:24 pm
So at current rate of carbon release, it would take 15,000 year to reproduce a similar scenario? This is based on a "probably" measurement and "estimated" one as well. Reading between the lines of this article concludes it is an opinion piece.
doubtingthomas1April 18, 2015 7:22 pm
I did a quick look up in Google and under Wikipedia, the Permian Era had a 900 ppm CO2 level and the Triassic Era had 1750 ppm level. Our levels today are only about 400 ppm CO2. It seems like a poor comparison, except that animals and plants seemed to do pretty well at 900 ppm.
SelmersApril 18, 2015 7:17 pm
REALLY??? So.. how could this happen? They didn't have cars back then, right? So, you're saying it was a natural event then, but now it's human made? LOL! Okay.
themacwayApril 18, 2015 7:13 pm
CO2 is not 'the main gas driving human caused climate change.' First, it could NOT be CO2 since it's a trace gas, at best. Water vapor is the heat trapping mechanism in the atmosphere. Second, ice age cycles are in play due to things other than puny human-caused issues. Lastly, the climate is ALWAYS changing, and a single human generation's worry and bother does not a crisis make.
RandApril 18, 2015 7:10 pm
You gotta love science. Take a tiny bit of information, apply it to a whole lot of assumptions, and create a theory and call it "the latest and most confident analysis." Then wait for the popular press to make it "fact" by reporting bits and pieces under a title like "Ocean acidification triggered mass extinctions 252 million years ago. Oh, and throw in climate change theory by pointing out there was too much CO2 252 million years ago and there is too much today---but for a different reason.
forartkartApril 18, 2015 7:09 pm
I think if you check out the activity of volcanoes during that period of time, you will find that was the cause. One super volcano will put out more C02 than all the history of humans.
LincolnApril 18, 2015 6:58 pm
Oh please !!!! You enviro lefties have really shown your idiocy this time. We know its all about anti corporation garbage. More people are informed about this fallacy and we aint taken your lies anymore !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
altizarApril 18, 2015 6:52 pm
Holy fizzbang, we our global warming caused an extinction 252 million years ago. Dang you humanity!!!
JerkApril 18, 2015 6:44 pm
Too bad they didn't have baking soda. We do. Arm and Hammer = no extinction. Stay calm and carry on.
JamesApril 18, 2015 6:42 pm
More BS. Most of the Earths history has shown much higher levels of CO2. We are at a historic low (looking at the millions of years scale) of CO2. Raising it a little will help, not hurt. Think about it. Before the era of the dinosaur, there was no O2, but plenty of CO2. Life formed, and O2 appeared with the lessening of CO2, gradually over millions of years. Life came from the ocean, so this article is a bold faced lie!
Kurt KuzbaApril 18, 2015 6:37 pm
Interestingly enough, the Earth is so close to the Sun that it requires water cooling to make it habitable. Since the last ice age ended, fresh water has been returning to the seas in greater amounts than it has been created by warming of the seas. Glaciers have receded and deserts expanded, pretty much steadily since the last ice age ended. As the land dries, the world warms a little. As it dries, it has less green plant life to absorb CO2. To stop it from warming, we would need to replenish the fresh water reserves from the salt water sinks. In popular terms, we would need a redistribution of wealth from the "deep pocket oppressors" to the "impoverished victims". Without a means to restore fresh water resources, all attempts to manage climate through atmospheric gasses is a futile series of gestures based on magical thinking and without any basis in science. Fortunately, the warming caused by the shift of water resources from fresh to salt will affect the seas as well, and cause them to absorb enough heat to allow the forcing of massive amounts of water vapor inland, even expanding the atmosphere and the heat envelope to enable tropical vapor plumes to travel inland without forming tropical storms and falling back into their source seas. The residual heat stored in the seas will last far longer than one would like, though, and result in a runaway buildup of fresh water glaciers far inland, which will extrude under gravitational pressure to flow into areas that are normally too warm to support year-round snow deposition. That is how it usually happens, in a world governed by physics rather than imaginary demons.
Eugene KyleApril 18, 2015 6:30 pm
Notice the word "probably", and "estimated". More guessing.
TravisJSaysApril 18, 2015 6:26 pm
Testimony was given by a climate scientist, a Professor at Georgia Tech, who's been on the IPCC. The term "climate contrarian scientist" is a made up junk term that inflames rather than illuminates.
The_ExileApril 18, 2015 6:21 pm
Really, censor comments by approval? Funny, the lefty's believe in free speech as long as agrees with their beliefs... all other speech gets shut down.
The_ExileApril 18, 2015 6:18 pm
New extinction theory of the week, and this time it's blamed on the man made global waring that happened 252 million years ago.
Lapong SmithApril 18, 2015 6:17 pm
They just playing in the dirt to keep funding coming in!! They rely on geologic charts, for instance if you take a piece of limestone to have it tested to see how old it is they cant tell you anything, They will ask you where you found it so they can guess at where to classify it based on charts!
Ralph WApril 18, 2015 6:16 pm
Weren't there more volcanoes, meteorites etc in that era?
AddisonApril 18, 2015 6:16 pm
Yeah - the presumed rate of CO2 release today is four times the rate prior to the PT extinction. That means we've got 15,000 years to deal with this...think about THAT...
MarkApril 18, 2015 6:01 pm
Amazing how the great extinction is suddenly blamed on global warming. Must have been all those dinosaurs burning fossil fuels.
RockApril 18, 2015 6:00 pm
What was Clarkson's claim to fame before...? What? Was it his move from Edinburgh to the University of....? Otago??? Who relies on the credibility of his opinions on anything? Besides his students... for their grades? And, also, "news" sellers/authors who make one-side spins on anything related to AGW? Here we learn that "acidification" is naturally occurring!!!!! (Possibly? A sudden outbreak, a belch of volcanism?) Still.... But it's the same old story for us humans on planet Earth!!!! Life is full of tons and tons of real proven threats and problems! One of which is Chicken Littles who totally fail to be attentive to the those same real proven ones! Ever going off in tangents on things of what they can imagine! The imaginable! To the benefit of? Predators!
ThorApril 18, 2015 5:59 pm
Another ridiculous attempt to push CO2 and climate change. The earth 250+ million years ago and its inhabitants were nothing like it is today. Since an apple turns brown when exposed to air, an orange will explode if its exposed to air is the kind of logic they are using.
Angelo SturinoApril 18, 2015 5:55 pm
We should heed this warning, our earth , thanks to HIs Creation, is viable to for our species, and many others species, so let us start learning and finding ways so we may continue on this trend.
ImpStoutApril 18, 2015 5:52 pm
Any comparison of the Siberian Traps event and todays human created gasses is ludicrous. The Siberian Traps was a natural environmental catastrophe with NO equivalent know to mankind.
kevin jorgensenApril 18, 2015 5:47 pm
It's amazing that science can't tell us what causes cancer, even with decades of research by thousands of the most brilliant minds but science can tell us with 100% certainty what caused 90% of life on earth to perish 250 million years ago by sampling some mud... and they still can't predict weather a week from now. I'm a bit skeptical when the answer just happens to be the single field of research that gets the most grant money right now and is the surest thing to say to get media attention. Isn't the coincidence just uncanny?
ThinkerApril 18, 2015 5:46 pm
We only started heating our homes 200 years ago? Didn't we use wood and coal in inefficient fireplaces instead of EPA certified power plants and efficient natural gas furnaces?
JohnnyApril 18, 2015 5:39 pm
10 billion tons a year from human sources. Over 700 billion tons a year from other natural sources. Just to clarify. This is the kind of extremist misrepresentation of the facts that make people distrust the whole AGW movement.
MichaelApril 18, 2015 5:39 pm
That being the case would it not be wise to start dumping mountains of akaline mineral into the oceans?
JohnnyApril 18, 2015 5:36 pm
There is no way you can compare the Siberian Traps, volcanism that covered thousands of miles with what man is doing today. This article, while accurate as to the cause (has been known for quite a long time) is merely an example of the exercise in politics. To compare man's burning of hyrdrocarbons to the Siberian Traps is to compare the beating of a butterfly's wings to hurricane Katrina. Simplistic over simplification and spin.
Ted StanwoodApril 18, 2015 5:02 pm
Man....I guess all their cars back then didn't have any pollution control devices, right?
cupera1April 18, 2015 5:02 pm
The humans have always mucked up the planet even back then
Frank KlepeissApril 18, 2015 5:02 pm
Of course we are killing our world , this is just common sense observation.
Jim LaFayetteApril 18, 2015 4:51 pm
60,000 years? I can live with that.
chuberryApril 18, 2015 4:51 pm
So, if you're going to throw numbers at us such as acidity has increased by 26% since pre-industrial times give us the hard numbers. What was the acidity level 200 years ago? What is it now? AND while you're at it, how on earth do you know what the acidity was of the oceans 200 years ago? Did you derive the precise measurement by making a bunch of theoretical guesses and then back tracking to what it 'must' have been? I'd like to see your exact methodology to determine the pre-industrial acidity level of oceans. I'm thinking that NOBODY can determine this. And of course, I question the statement that 400,000,000 people depend on the coral reefs for their livelihood. And.... it's costing the world $1T a year? How do they get THAT number? I'm thinking this is a total BS article.
MosesApril 18, 2015 4:46 pm
Nothing these scientists claim can be proven. If they are relying on carbon dating to establish time then that is false data as carbon dating is only accurate to a few thousand years.
climatechangehoaxApril 18, 2015 4:42 pm
More Propaganda from our Pathetic Government! That's all this is! Climate Change may be happening,,but its not caused by man,,,do these geniuses know what caused the CO2 to go up 252 million years ago? They can't even prove the 252 million years,,much less anything else! Circular Reasoning,,,most Americans are too ignorant to know the difference,,
GeorgeApril 18, 2015 4:26 pm
No matter what you say, This planet would be really boring without humans. Besides, how would we know how badly we are treating it,if we were not here??
2smartforlibsApril 18, 2015 4:23 pm
I can't wait to see you Climate control FREAKS blame that one of Humans
Richard_LionheartApril 18, 2015 4:23 pm
If only liberals were alive then they could have stopped this from happening I'm sure.
Paul M RaupApril 18, 2015 4:22 pm
The "carbonization" was the result of volcanic activity and took 60,000 years..........so at the current rate of HUMAN CO2 release it would take 15,000 years. Perhaps by then we CAN solve the whole problem.........but we MUST start taxation NOW !
Chuck FallApril 18, 2015 4:19 pm
Global climate change that leads to warming is one problem, but the double whammy, or quadruple whammy is ocean acidification. In a way ocean acidification is more worrisome than melting ice caps and sea level rise. Can there be any question that we need a carbon tax to drive markets away from reliance on coal and petroleum? I like the idea of the carbon tax that puts a fee on carbon emmissions and sends proceeds back to the people to spend as they see fit. Since people avoid spending money on things that cost a lot, money will find products that avoid the extra cost of a carbon fee; this is the economic theory behind the power of a carbon fee / tax. Another approach is to take proceeds from a carbon tax and governmental agencies would use the money to advance research and direct money to programs that mitigate carbon effluence. But enabling government to have and to hold more money than it already pulls out of the economy might be a bigger legislative hurdle than a tax that recycles money directly back into the economy. Unfortunately, humankind is well beyond a time when we can continue to debate the issue. Governments need to act. We need carbon tax now, not a graft prone 'cap and trade.'
RobL_v2April 18, 2015 4:15 pm
Too bad the dinosaurs didn't have that tub of lard Tyrannosaurus Rex bait Al Gore to save them. The man exhudes more specious gas than a volcano… if only that mouth would go extinct!
But-dustyApril 18, 2015 4:12 pm
“Scientists have long suspected that an ocean acidification event occurred during the greatest mass extinction of all time..." God forbid it could have been caused by a great flood.
StoutCortezApril 18, 2015 4:11 pm
So who or what was driving SUVs 252 million years ago?
RonApril 18, 2015 4:07 pm
Nonsense. This is a guessing game for those who reject God. True science does not dispute the Bible.
Martin MayberryApril 18, 2015 4:07 pm
Polar Bears are more populated that they have ever been! stop the lie!
TRUTH PRINCESSApril 18, 2015 4:06 pm
Give me a break. These are the same Scientists that were 97.4 % wrong in their predictions 20 years ago about Hurricanes and Glaciers.
Morgan WrightApril 18, 2015 4:05 pm
Scientists have known for decades that the extinction 252,000,000 years ago was caused by sulfur compounds and volcanic ash from the Siberian Traps volcanic event (a mantle plume). No real scientist ever said it was caused by the CO2 (that also came from the traps event) or acidification. If anybody said it was, there is no way he or she was a real scientist, just somebody who claims to be one, the way homeopaths pretend to be doctors. CO2 after the traps merely returned to the same level it was 350,000,000 years ago when life flourished. And life rebounded quickly after the traps, by 251,000,000 years ago life was flourishing again even though the CO2 was still high. This article is rubbish.
Martin MayberryApril 18, 2015 4:05 pm
More pro evolution climate change nonsense! will these stupid false scientist ever give up?!! Evolution is a lie and so is climate change!
SLangdonApril 18, 2015 4:02 pm
How on Earth did human beings release enough CO2 into the atmosphere 252 years ago to cause ocean acidification? The DeLorean's flux capacitor must release serious amounts of CO2. No doubt, Marty McFly is a menace.
Earl DeckerApril 18, 2015 4:00 pm
All speculation and conjectures. No one knows for sure and even so life bounced back with greater survival abilities. Species die or adapt.. The same will happen to our present life forms . We will adapt and the strongest will survive and reproduce . And life will continue.
Harry HaffApril 18, 2015 3:57 pm
The oceans have already reached saturation for handling dissolved CO2. So we are on our merry way it seems for a replay of events long ago.
Robert GatelyApril 18, 2015 2:42 pm
There were times when [CO2] was above 4,000 ppm without going over the tipping point. There were times when [CO2] was above 7,000 ppm without going over the tipping point. Where is the tipping point?
Nick GrealyApril 18, 2015 12:58 pm
John, the Medact report was based on the same bad science as anti-vaccination and anti fluoridation. I note that you continue to promote your FCO experience that ended in 2002. Things have changed somewhat since then. Perhaps you should speak to the US and Chinese negotiators for Paris today instead of relying on yesterday's "achievements"?
Alan TootillApril 18, 2015 11:16 am
Obsidian you really are deliberately attempting to mislead or have not read the Medact report. In case you have not read it, or for the benefit of others to enable them to form their own opinion, there is a link below. To say Medact do not know there are regulations is patent nonsense. They query whether existing regulation is adequate, a very different matter. As to pollutants, lead, arsenic, chromium, cadmium; NORM and radon are not in fracking fluids, they are released from the shale. This is already demonstrated by the Preese Hall experience to be an issue in the UK just as it is in the US. Pro-industry shill you may be, but you really do not enhance your argument by promoting untruths. If this is part of what the industry says it wants - a balanced and reasoned debate - you are not helping. http://www.medact.org/wp-content/uploads/files/2015/03/medact_fracking-report_WEB3.pdf
Paladiea RoxApril 18, 2015 8:52 am
You realize you can do the experiment yourself at home right? Have two bottles. Measure their temperature. Then inject CO2 into one. Put under a lamp for an hour. Measure temps again. Repeat for as long as you want.
gscales631April 18, 2015 8:17 am
The Medact report was fundamentally flawed - it didn't even know what country it was in. It also took data for 3 of its chapters from an anti fracking lobbyist who is running for parliament on that ticket and so benefits financially and politically by the report, but who never declared it to Medact. Read: http://frackland.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/medact-vs-british-columbia.html and just: http://frackland.blogspot.co.uk/ in general. The author is a geologist at Bristol university with no conflicts of interest and nothing more than a love of real science who cannot believe how much the anti fracking side is lying.
mulga mumblebrainApril 18, 2015 2:02 am
Industry apologist. The only question is whether it is paid or is a volunteer driven by Rightwing hatred of life and other people.This is the type that denies EVERY single ecological catastrophe and who have driven our species to self-destruction, for no greater purpose than sheer, insatiable, greed.
NickApril 18, 2015 2:00 am
NOAA says that 2014 has a 48% chance of being the hottest year in the instrument history. Is there any other year that has as high a probability of 2014 as being the hottest year? You may also be interested to know that according two NOAA and the Japanese, 2015 is already ahead of 2014.
jfreed27April 17, 2015 8:07 pm
Don't blame the enviros Would everything be peachy without those pesky longhairs? no..Nuclear energy is simply more expensive than wind. Google "Wiki costs of nuclear wind energy" Or Google "nuclear plant over budget" for dozens of examples. And the public is on the hook for most of any future damages. Ceres ($24T in assets) call the nuclear plants 'financially risky'. Then there is the disposal issue...must we wait till the potential for disasters are realized?
jfreed27April 17, 2015 8:05 pm
Nuclear energy is more expensive than wind. Google "Wiki costs of energy" Ceres ($24T in assets) call these plants 'financially risky'. Then there is the disposal issue...
jfreed27April 17, 2015 7:53 pm
Simply not so.Try to keep up. Most Republicans Say They Back Climate Action, Poll Finds http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/us/politics/most-americans-support-government-action-on-climate-change-poll-finds.html
jfreed27April 17, 2015 7:52 pm
He did the right thing. The GOP is good at winning and poor at governing. I guess they don't have the skill to do both.
jfreed27April 17, 2015 7:50 pm
Climate change is a fact and far more devastating than anything you mentioned. You can believe the Senator with the snow ball or every science academy in the world, the Joint Chiefs, the World Bank. But, tell me, 'why are you opposed to recognizing and facing the facts: because you are paid to do so, because you believe you are being loyal to the GOP, because you hate hippies? Why?
ToddApril 17, 2015 6:28 pm
How much has chemtrail spraying affected California's drought?
Earl BurkholderApril 17, 2015 6:24 pm
I can not help thinking of something Will Rodgers said a decade before I was born and that goes back a bit, "We have the best government money can buy." Now 80 years later that still rings so true. With the fossil fuel industry the most profitable industry in human history and so many in government still not acknowledging humans are warming the planet and all the money pretending what is most important is maintaining the present way of existence, does anyone really expect the US will have the political desire to bring about meaningful change? Possibly when New York City looks more like Venice with its canals, or when half of Florida is beneath the ocean or when the central valley of California is threatened by sea water, but before then I have little hope the US government is up to the challenge they still do not believe exists. You see it snowed in Washington DC this winter proving that global warming is a hoax. The planet has been through much worse than this, it will survive. Humans are very adaptable, they will survive. We are probably over due for another ice sheet and I personally prefer the planet to be warmer than an ice age so perhaps it will not be so bad after all. A good warm ass whooping by mother nature may be just what the human race needs about now. Just looking on the bright side. The real solution must start with a good solid education for every human being on the planet. I'm allowed to dream, right?
Paul M RaupApril 17, 2015 5:51 pm
The aspirations of the United Nations ARE very similar to the man who made 1945 necessary ( Hitler, for you public education graduates )...............and some of their tactics as well.
jim_robertApril 17, 2015 5:48 pm
No one - literally - believes your BIG GREEN MONEY scam any more. Time to go back to your global cooling scare of the 1970s, or maybe acid rain of the 1980s. Truth is, we ALL know this is just another scam in that if you control energy, you control everything it touches which is, well... everything. Fact is, there has been ZERO global warming since 1998, and it was warmer during the Medieval Warm Period. (Look it up, leftists... you might possibly learn something)
act2021April 17, 2015 4:18 pm
It does`t matter if we believe in climate change anymore. Carbon Economy must end. Subsidizing Big Oil Corporations is making us poorer, according to a IMF Study, corporations receive globally up to $1.9 Trillion annually, all paid with our taxes. Besides according to Harvard each ton of burned coal impose on us more than $500 in externalities. "Do the math"... talking about real problems!
ObsidianApril 17, 2015 11:45 am
So much about the fundamentally flawed Medact report. They dont even know that there are regulations in the UK, and that chemicals scares they raised are with chemicals that are not permitted in the UK. Have you read this open letter? https://www.facebook.com/groups/662867413859014/694177364061352/ or seen the UKOOG response? http://www.ukoog.org.uk/about-ukoog/press-releases/146-shale-gas-industry-says-medact-report-fails-to-understand-uk-regulatory-system-and-lacks-credibility
Raymond Michael BorlandApril 17, 2015 6:39 am
Tax everyone who lives in a city and transfer the money to large property owners. farmers and timberland owners whose land has crops and trees that absorb CO2. Also, impose mandatory birth control or sterilization on all city dwellers. More babies means more carbon foot prints. if we are destroying the earth, everyone must do their share...... Vasectomies for all males and hysterectomies for all females living in cities. If you heat your home, don't. Own a car? Sell it and walk or bicycle to work. Want a vacation? Sorry. It uses too much fossil fuel flying all over the world. Buy electricity? Shame on you. Buy solar panels or government will prosecute you for destroying the earth. I bought solar panels, and they were very expensive 8 years ago but mine are made in Germany and not Chinese made junk that may not even last long enough to break even. If you use air conditioning, more shame on you. There are now three times as many polar bears in the Arctic than in the 19th century and it is all because you burned fossil fuel. Heh , wait a minute. More polar bears??????
Gregson14April 17, 2015 12:52 am
I find it very ironic that an entire movement that calls itself “green” has positioned itself as the greatest demonizer of the very compound (CO2) that is responsible for “greening” the Planet.
Gregson14April 17, 2015 12:41 am
Hillary's account has all the hallmarks of her 1996 "... hunched dash across the Airport tarmac in Bosnia..." claim during her failed 2008 Democrat Primary bid.
FromafarApril 17, 2015 12:22 am
She'd be the "Mother of All Executive Action" She'd show Obama what a pen and phone are really for! And I'm sure it says so, somewhere on her server......if we knew where that was?
GuyBBApril 16, 2015 11:23 pm
What they want, is the ability to direct all capital investment into "green" solutions for the next three generations. Not aggressive enough? You know, when you are basically saying, "You will give me all of the money in the world...times ten!" You are supposed to do your Dr. Evil impersonation.
waltallensworthApril 16, 2015 10:53 pm
"Source: I'm a god damned climate scientist." Well, you clearly have serious confirmation bias issues and your opinion can only be considered as tainted by a desire for endless funding by Big Government.
waltallensworthApril 16, 2015 10:51 pm
It's far easier fighting phantom windmills than real problems like unemployment, the economy, energy, obesity, terrorism, health-care, poverty, pollution, national debt, national security, crime, government graft, etc.
Dennis GApril 16, 2015 7:53 pm
At a news (Feb 2015) in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism. "This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution," she said.
GuyBBApril 16, 2015 5:18 pm
None of their models can possibly be counted on to predict the future. The mathematics of complex systems has no general solution! Therefore, all protestations to the contrary are nonsensical. For, it doesn't matter how sophisticated your model, how many super-computer clock cycles you throw at the problem, when the math that they are based upon is hopelessly and fatally flawed. The Republicans won the election to stop Obama's overreach, to stymie his plans to cripple the US economy for generations, and any retreat on those issues is a betrayal of the electorate.
Tim GivemeenergyApril 16, 2015 3:21 pm
GOOD, as they should! Put aside if carbon causing warming, lets look at the proposed solution cap/trade. Only "developed" countries (approximately 15% of the worlds population) are required to pay. It does not stop emissions, companies merely have to pay to do it. "developing" countries like china, india, brazil, and mexico are exempt from it and can pollute at will. The net effect of this solution will be polluting companies relocate to the exempt areas, that have less stringent EPA/OSHA type regulations... and actually pollute more.
Dennis BoursApril 16, 2015 1:42 pm
It is in a sense amazing to see how the US has become such a developed country with such backward politics. If this would have been a company, it would have gone bankrupt or merged with a stronger party years ago...
VulpusMagnusApril 16, 2015 12:58 pm
The old energy regime doesn't support the american people. It lines the pocket of the handful of rich oil and gas execs by destroying the future health of the planet and the human species.
VulpusMagnusApril 16, 2015 12:55 pm
Gravity hasn't been "proven" either. What "proof" means in science isn't the way you think of it. Man made climate change has been demonstrated by rigorous scientific modelling and there is more consensus among scientists as to its truth than nearly any other complex scientific phenomenon. Spread your bullsh*t elsewhere. Source: I'm a god damned climate scientist.
Robin_GuenierApril 16, 2015 8:56 am
Further to my earlier comment, here's Professor Curry's testimony in full: https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/house-science-testimony-apr-15-final.pdf. Interesting - and well worth reading. From her Conclusion: '... I am concerned that the proposed U.S. INDC to address the perceived problems of climate change will do essentially nothing to change the climate, and the U.S. and other nations will remain vulnerable to climate surprises and extreme weather events.'
Robin_GuenierApril 16, 2015 8:40 am
Having described Professor Judith Curry as a 'climate contrarian scientist' (whatever is that supposed to mean?), you claim her reference to the estimate (using the US Environmental Protection Agency's model) that the US emission reduction proposal would prevent only three-hundreths of a degree of warming by 2100 contrasts with the IPCC warning that emissions must be radically reduced is the world is to avoid exceeding 2 degrees of warming. But, far from contrasting with it, surely her statement demonstrates just how difficult it is to achieve the IPCC goal?
William AshblessApril 16, 2015 3:19 am
Policies advocated to fight climate change can be very detrimental to the environment and human prosperity - in a big way for bio-energy and wind power. I'll go with the mainstream on most climate science but I'm proud to call myself a skeptic over many of the solutions proffered.
William AshblessApril 16, 2015 3:15 am
Pointless article. Twitter is not good at bridging communication because one needs sophisticated arguments backed by evidence to do that - not 140 characters.
NickApril 15, 2015 11:43 pm
Your last sentence is a complete fabrication. And I was not referring to the "northeast US", but rather the planet as a whole.
HermitApril 15, 2015 8:27 pm
The trouble is that Hillary is owned by Wall Street and a few Zionist billionaires, and while her pre-election position will chase voters, the post-election reality will, like the vast majority of American political stooges, be precisely what the oligarchs demand. The only thing worse than Hillary being elected would be a Republican. That is unlikely because, demographics suggest that Republicans cannot win a presidential election (unless the Democrats nominate somebody unelectable, Hillary might be that person, or the Republicans engage in wide-scale vote suppression), any more than the Democrats can win a Congressional election until a few more Republican voters die off (probably by 2020, definitely by 2024). All of this is largely meaningless, because contrary to most American beliefs, they live in a nominal Republic and an actual oligarchy cf. e.g.http://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4 et videhttp://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf.
Mark RichardsonApril 15, 2015 7:52 pm
It looks like an absolutely murderous perhaps historic dust bowl type of drought and summer wildfire season across the entire Southwestern and Western Continental US yet this summer and fall, with the only marginally bright spot in East Slope Colorado which still has 70-80% of its average annual snowfall per-date. [Quoted from] US Department of Agriculture National Resource Conservation Svc, National Water and Climate Center, March 2015 Western Snowpack and Water Supply Conditions Report, April 8th, 2015. For additional reports see: http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov Arizona: March was exceptionally warm and dry with only the Verde Basin receiving above normal precipitation. As a result, the snowpack has melted out about a month earlier than normal, and streamflow forecasts are further reduced. California: Snowpack is at record low levels, which is relied upon as the primary source of the summer water supply. With very little snowmelt runoff, the current reservoir contents will essentially be the amount available for use this summer. The major storage reservoirs for California are at roughly 50% of capacity with very little opportunity to increase. Colorado: The snowpack has prematurely transitioned to early spring-like conditions, with lower and some mid-elevation snowpack already seeing significant melt. Mountain precipitation during March was very low -- near 65% of normal. This reinforced the dry conditions from January. Streamflow outlooks have fallen since January 1, with a significant decrease since the last outlook on March 1. Idaho: Warm, dry conditions dominated the March weather scene, which greatly increased the probability of water shortages or marginally adequate water supplies this summer. Montana: This is the third, straight month of declining basin snowpack percentages due to well above average temperatures and below normal snowfall. As a result, spring and summer streamflow forecasts continue to drop. Nevada: April 1 snowpack was the lowest ever recorded at nearly every measuring site statewide (including three sites with over 100 years of data). Water year precipitation is also nearing record low amounts. Expect record low streamflow volumes this summer. New Mexico: The month of March provided little in the way of drought relief. Inconsistent winter weather patterns have left water and snow conditions well below normal.Above normal temperatures have persisted across the state, deteriorating the remaining snow levels and further reducing any hope for a normal spring snowmelt and runoff. Oregon: As of April 1, 76% of Oregon’s long-term snow monitoring sites were at the lowest snowpack levels on record. In a typical year, most sites would be near their peak snowpack at this point in the season. This year, more than half of all snowpack measurements across the state recorded bare ground on April 1. Snowpack across Oregon peaked 40 to 90% below typical peak levels this winter, which will lead to reduced water supplies in the coming summer. Utah: Utah water supply conditions are in the bottom 5% with about 35 SNOTEL sites at period of record low values and an additional 15 in second place. 2015 will be associated with other notable drought years such as 1977 and 1934. Washington: Extremely low snowpack continues across the state. Combined with an early melt during a warm March, streamflows for the spring and summer are expected to be correspondingly low. Wyoming: Snowpack and streamflow forecasts are below normal throughout the state. [end quote] Link to full USDA Report here: Nine States Report Record Low Snowpack Amid Epic Drought http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/nine-states-report-record-low-snowpack-amid-epic-drought
ppiaseckApril 15, 2015 7:48 pm
Here we go again with the dire crystal ball predictions, they should just open a 1-900-fortune telling line. maybe it will take some of the burden off the tax payer...
MikeWApril 15, 2015 7:04 pm
I suggest a four-pronged approach which would provide all the water the state needs, but there would have to be a more centrist (vs. Liberal) approach to California's governance. And we wouldn't have to continue hurting the state's agricultural industry. 1) The Federal Government needs to back off its ill-advised over-protection of the Delta Smelt and allow it to be re-located. And CA needs to add more canals to send more water to Central and Southern CA from the Sacramento River/San Joaquin River Delta so that less of this precious resource goes straight to the ocean. 2) And maybe with cheaper energy CA could afford to increase its number of desalinization plants. That would also require the Environmentalists to back off their emotional hatred of nuclear energy, off-shore drilling, fracking, and having more refineries. The pendulum needs to swing back from the extreme environmentalism to a balance with the needs of the people of CA, including both its farmers and its consuming citizens. 3) Since 70% of CA's rainfall ends up flowing into the ocean, they need to build dams, reservoirs and cisterns. But this will require the Environmentalists and white water enthusiasts to back off their anti-dam propaganda and lawsuits. 4) Lastly, if CA could acquire the courage to reduce the benefits for illegal aliens, then more of them would self deport and far fewer would enter the state. A conservative reduction of 10% of the population could create nearly half of their water usage reduction goal.
FoxApril 15, 2015 5:28 pm
The main reason that CO2 follows temperature is those amplification effects (positive feedbacks) discussed above. It warms, so more CO2 is released, so it warms further. In this case, CO2 was released, causing warming (because physics), resulting in more CO2 and methane because of the processes described above, resulting in more warming, and so on. Your old assumptions are also based on faulty assumptions about how CO2 moves in ice, meaning the lag is less than you want people to believe. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ice-core-data-help-solve/ We keep explaining this to you deniers, but you keep repeating the same tired, refuted rubbish. If you are genuinely interested in honest discussion, why is this?
FoxApril 15, 2015 5:24 pm
This looks like data above - you know, three peer-reviewed studies, as in evidence as distinct from denier lies and distortions.
FoxApril 15, 2015 5:23 pm
Cite your source, please.
jumper297April 15, 2015 3:23 pm
You need to keep up. NOAA has backtracked all their "hottest year" claims. The fact is that what you say just isn't true. But from a purely political standpoint (an area where Mrs. Clinton lives entirely) the polls clearly show that this is a media driven hysteria, the vast majority of people aren't buying it anymore.
jumper297April 15, 2015 3:21 pm
There's truth in what you say... but the big concern a lot of us have is that there is very real, very serious damage being done by us but that's all being ignored as we scream and wring our hands about a trace gas that is essential for life on this planet. In fact, we've created some of the most vile processes in industry in recent years to produce more products that "fight carbon." Kevin is partially right. What's been rebranded as "climate change" is at the bottom, but things like air/water quality and conservation are at the top of the Gallup poll taken on the issue.
WhiteRabbit3April 15, 2015 3:16 pm
Actually Giltrud is speaking for a strong majority of Americans, if the polls are anything to go by.
WhiteRabbit3April 15, 2015 3:15 pm
I wonder if she also supports Obama's use of executive powers rather than legislation to implement these policies.
BarryWoodsApril 15, 2015 2:11 pm
big flaw with this work... is most people I know chatting about this on twitter, don't actually ever use the hashtags that were collected... the paper will have missed a huge relevant sector of people.
Heather RobinsonApril 15, 2015 1:25 pm
I am interested in starting a webpage that lets scientists going on fieldwork collaborate with other scientists who need samples collecting from the same area, and connecting researchers with local students who can collect and ship samples without the need for researchers to fly to their sample sites. If anyone has web design experience and is interested in the project, please get in touch
Charles NolanApril 15, 2015 1:13 pm
You mean the climate is changing? Where?
Frank ReganApril 15, 2015 1:05 pm
Twitter is hardly the blame for Climate Change; that charge goes to human frailties. It would be great if our social media could alter our tendency to shout at each other from inside our silos, from behind bumper-stickers slogans, and help dispense the overwhelming evidence from science and personal experience that Climate Change is happening and so we need to plan. The answer is not to give up on social media, but to tweak it so that facts overrule loud misinformation. Use social media to accelerate the news and events and solutions to Climate Change and forget about trying to change the folks who have nothing better to do with their lives than thwart the rest of us from addressing the worldwide crisis of Climate Change. “You cannot teach a pig to talk and it irritates the pig” can be said for arguing with a climate denier hell bent on a bug-eyed zealotry for nonsense. More on Climate Change in our area: http://rochesterenvironment.com/weather&climate.htm
Frank M AlverioApril 15, 2015 12:31 pm
Well, they might want to look up Walker circulation and long term temperature and weather cycle variability because the so called "spurt" in temperatures is still within normal variability cycles which which is a 11 year cycle in California, 33 years in the Pacific Basin vs California, and 67ish years between the west Coast and East Coast (super storms in the East vs a Super drought in the west)...hardly a "Mass Extinction event", let alone "Human Caused" and more importantly it isn't "solvable" with Taxes and policies
Frank M AlverioApril 15, 2015 12:04 pm
2 Political problems on a Environmental Political Issue 1) Because of State Sovereignty granted by the Constitution and Bill of Rights concerning Energy and resource management within a State the President cant speak for any State concerning Energy or Resource policy at those "Climate Summits" 2) EPA rules, the President decrees and even a Federal Supreme Court ruling is merely a "suggestion" concerning anything that still needs to be voted on and ratified into State Law, County Law and City law and most State, County and City laws are far stricter.....for instance Coal use is banned in Hawaii on the State Level...cause the people of Hawaii voted to ban coal use in their State(and now we burn a shit load of oil instead and pay $300 a month on average for electric instead of $35 a month foe electric...."genius")
Aubrey MeyerApril 15, 2015 11:24 am
The issue is 'goal-focus'. Tim Wirth and others have said for years that the environment trumps the economy. So now, with the absolute need for UNFCCC-Compliance, teleology trumps ideology. The defence of human-rights is more a survival argument than a 'moral-maybe'. That's why Clive's point - that what should be measured/projected trend-numbers do matter - unavoidably informs any strategy relevant to that purpose (UNFCCC-Compliance) and which tactical arguments tend often to obscure. When facing existential threats it is pragmatic to survive. Trying to do this at the expense of others is not so much 'ideological' as 'impossible'. With climate change, short-term agreement is ineffective and long-term is vague and that is why a full-term global agreement is pragmatic (as it puts Azeri et al Coal in check).
Aubrey MeyerApril 15, 2015 10:13 am
More pragmatic - less ideological (more logical?) sounds good: - http://morphic.it/cbat/#domain-1| http://www.gci.org.uk/CBAT_MkII_Appreciation.html
Clive ElsworthApril 15, 2015 9:57 am
Stephen I was right with you up untl the end of your piece, when you said: "defence of human rights is a principle worth dying for" Don't the numbers matter? You seem to be saying it's better to risk all our grandchildren and life on Earth so as to make the statement that Azeri gas is unacceptable owing to the Azeris human rights record. However I admit it's a slippery slope with no easy answers. But you're right to condemn the technophobes, who I believe are now the true enemies of the planet: Despite the fact that millions of people have received life saving radiotherapy with doses of radiation thousands of times what nuclear power stations are allowed to emit, the anti-nukes still perceive the avoidance of any very small additional radiation as something worth risking the planet for. And yet they happily go out in the sun, go on long haul flights, and smoke cigarrettes, all of which can give them extra doses of ionising radiation similar or more than they'd get by visiting Fukushima. (See the Film Pandora's Promise). By being technophobes they refuse to face the reality indicated by rigorous scientific measurement, essentially burying their heads in the sand just like the climate change deniers.
Bob BinghamApril 15, 2015 9:55 am
If India joined with China and Europe in a climate change group it would have half the worlds population and the technology, finance and manufacturing capability to lead the world. There are big threats from climate change and the old western model is not going to work. http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/climate-threats.html
ThisNameInUseApril 15, 2015 4:02 am
Would you please stop misusing the word "skeptic" to refer to people who refuse to look at overwhelming evidence? A skeptic is someone who doesn't believe something until they see evidence. NOT someone who refuses to believe AFTER seeing evidence, simply because they don't want to accept it. Science has presented overwhelming evidence, through tens of thousands of studies over two centuries. These people simply do not want to accept the finding. They have their reasons, but they are emotional ones relating to the loss of pride and credibility in their free market purist ideology. Real scientists are skeptics by profession. But climate scientists - the ones not funded by fossil fuel interests - accepted reality once they found overwhelming evidence. The people you are speaking of are NOT skeptics. They are people in denial. Words have meanings. Please discover what they are.
Dennis GApril 14, 2015 11:04 pm
Carbon is sequestered by soil. Regardless of if the ground is frozen or not. Extensive German research shows little change in carbon cycle due to "global warming" scenarios.
GuyBBApril 14, 2015 10:56 pm
I am so tired of hearing about what "might", "may", or "could possibly" happen. If you don't have evidence? If you can't produce any actual data? It is not science, but speculation. Constant reporting of speculation, is known as propaganda.
Todd NelsonApril 14, 2015 10:45 pm
The problem with this article, as it is with all the warming alarmist BS is that CO2 follows temperature, not the other way around. This article is just more advertising for the largest fraud ever perpetrated on man. Maybe learning REAL science, rather than the pseudo science of "climate change" will educate those too stupid to realize this is nothing more than scam.
Leon0112April 14, 2015 8:53 pm
One of the leading tweeters, Michael Mann, is well known for blocking anyone who disagrees with him. In fact, most of the alarmist camp refuse to engage skeptics in any way. The alarmist camp actively shuns skeptics. Some alarmists believe skeptics should be thrown in jail for their beliefs. Most alarmists are unwilling to communicate with skeptics other than through ad hominem attacks. This study is consistent with that behavior.
jessied44April 14, 2015 8:10 pm
More jobs were created in the clean energy field while coal laid off 50,000 workers in a dying industry.
jessied44April 14, 2015 8:08 pm
speak for yourself. It is at the top of mine. No matter what else we do, it won't matter if our grandchildren are swimming in poison and can't breathe.
jessied44April 14, 2015 8:07 pm
How was she supposed to get to those countries: Swim?
cleanwater2April 14, 2015 7:58 pm
With February, 2015 being the coldest in recorded history in the northeast US. Nick must be talking about the west coast. There is more ice in the North Pole and the South Pole that the AGW just can not explain. There has not been an atmospheric average temperature increase in 18 years four months,based on satellite data.
IbSnookerApril 14, 2015 7:55 pm
...because that worked out so well for Tom Steyer in the last election.
cleanwater2April 14, 2015 7:49 pm
The Hypotheses of the greenhouse gas effect has never been proven. There is no experiment that proves the GHGE,therefore the Mann made climate change can not be demonstrated.
ShadeburstApril 14, 2015 7:42 pm
I am aware of the groupthink or "echo chamber" effect but I visit skeptic pages for encouragement, in the same way as I visit atheist pages. Apart from the ad homs thrown at us, we skeptics feel that even if climate change were a major threat to the planet, the policies advocated to "fight" it are completely ineffective and will only wreck the world economy. The news is all bad; the warmists have a seemingly bottomless PR budget; and we need some mutual back-slapping to overcome the despair, dismay and depression at the futility of it all.
Paul MatthewsApril 14, 2015 6:15 pm
I have to say that I am slightly "blown away" to hear that Dr Williams is "blown away" by his finding that the climate debate is highly polarised and operates in echo chambers. An interesting question is whether twitter is slightly less polarised than other fora. I would guess that it is. For example later this week there's an echo chamber of activists organised by something called Helixclimate, which involves several people from Exeter, talking to themselves about how to communicate their message of impending doom. At least with twitter, it's a level playing field and anyone can take part. It's encouraging to see the acknowledgement that there is little difference in terms of unreasonableness between the two sides.
Robert HargravesApril 14, 2015 5:29 pm
Pragmatism means economics trumps politics. That's why I write about advanced nuclear power that can generate clean energy cheaper than coal (and lots cheaper than wind and solar). There's an analysis in my book, THORIUM: energy cheaper than coal. I'm working with colleagues to obtain funding and a license for a hybrid thorium/uranium liquid fuel reactors that can deliver electricity at 3 cents/kWh. We can stop burning fossil fuels simply by making clean, safe, cheap nuclear power available to the developing nations of the world. thorconpower.com
Robert WApril 14, 2015 3:53 pm
Good, that will make sure she loses.
William_TeachApril 14, 2015 3:15 pm
Interesting. Also, the fact that she bragged about traveling almost a million miles during her time as Sec of State, using fossil fueled airplanes. Can anyone say "hypocrite"?
Richard ReissApril 14, 2015 2:11 am
In first line, should it be 'million,' or 'billion'?
Kevin GiltrudApril 14, 2015 1:11 am
Hillary is aware that climate is at the bottom of everyone else's "agenda". Right?
barry mooreApril 13, 2015 11:09 pm
Climate change is a scientific subject not a political subject so it baffles me how it became so politicized particularly in the news media. How much accurate data do we have today. Top of atmosphere radiation, cloud cover, solar radiation and sea surface temperatures, to mention only a few, have been available since the satellites first flew i.e. since 1969. Now we are trying to extrapolate 46 years of data into a 1 000 year cycle. This is not science it is Voodoo science. If you put 2 dots fairly close together on a blank sheet of paper you can draw any polynomial curve through those two points. It has been shown with crystal clarity that all 129 computer predictions from the early 90’s have all been in error on the high side when compared to actual fact. Just how much proof does anyone need to be convinced that all the computer programs are substantially flawed. But it is said that they accurately followed the temperature profile prior to 1990, ever heard of the saying hindsight is 20-20 ? There has never been a credible truly scientific paper written which establishes with clinical accuracy the relationship between changes in CO2 and global temperatures. However there have been many written by eminent scientists proving that it is impossible for CO2 to affect temperatures at the current level of CO2 in the atmosphere.
mapsguy1955April 13, 2015 10:03 pm
Everyone needs to put their money up. This is a good step in the right direction.
mbee1April 13, 2015 9:20 pm
They cannot even lie without lying to themselves. The headline and the first sentence are at 180 degrees from each other in the english language. Maybe the editor and the writer's native language is French so they did not notice the problem. In any case the earth may or may not be warmer by 2040, it will still be colder than in 1000 AD so the idea the glazier will vanish is pure horse puckey.
GuyBBApril 13, 2015 7:47 pm
They could... There's no way it will ever happen...but it COULD!!! Geez! Can you manage to actually report news? Instead of beating on the drum to the beat of the propaganda march?
Stephen ThomasApril 13, 2015 7:34 pm
BIG banks should wise up and invest BIG money in energy conservation and alternative energy projects. Like having utility companies own the rights to install solar panels on buildings and homes (for a fee) as there is so much cash to invest and THIS WOULD BE A WISE INVESTMENT. Solar panels serve as hedge against energy inflation (remember when gas was 29.9 cents per gallon)? It was when I was in high school as I managed a Texaco gas station back then. We had gas wars back then. Not that Texaco supported my 29.9 cent price! Our town's Texaco stations went on strike, we did not pump gas for like one week. Lexington, KY back in early 70s. What fun! What a learning experience. the good ole days. Oh, also, solar panels locally installed would reduce distribution costs. Why isn't the federal govt and universities and big corps installing solar panels on their buildings ??? Our country is falling behind, moving too slow, not even following very well let alone leading like we use to.
Stephen ThomasApril 13, 2015 7:28 pm
Improving conservation, AND investment and utilization of alternative energy sources ON A HIGH-PRIORITY LARGE SCALE makes sense in it's own right. What is the downside? BIG owners of dirty fuel assets will lose some of their BIG money. Political candidate donors will not have so much money, so there would be less dirty, negative TV ads. I can live with that.
WhiteRabbit3April 13, 2015 7:27 pm
Warm winters happen. Cold winters happen. Hurricanes, tornadoes, and floods happen. Whether these things are becoming more or less prevalent or severe can only be determined over the course of decades.
WhiteRabbit3April 13, 2015 7:24 pm
The novel "Game of Thrones", the first part of a series, was written in 1997 when climate change didn't have the exposure it does now. Presuming that most of the above details were in the first novel (I don't recall), then the timing isn't quite right for this theory.
NickApril 13, 2015 7:22 pm
Repubs, if you let Hillary own this issue, then no matter who you send to the ticket, he won't win. We're looking at another record temp year (if the 2015 trend thus far holds up), and denialsts will be on the ropes.
MerryApril 13, 2015 7:00 pm
Let's hold her to it!
Biologyteacher100April 13, 2015 5:24 pm
I'd really like to see climate front and center in the 2016 elections. One can only hope that journalists and most of the news media do their fact checking on climate by reading the scientific evidence.
DaveApril 13, 2015 4:47 pm
Hilary is going to keep the Green Energy scam going to rape the American people while making her cronies rich.
PygmalionApril 13, 2015 4:36 pm
Good! Let her announce the top of her agenda will be taking more money off the American middle class, and see how far she gets with that.
Lana LangApril 13, 2015 11:23 am
Slightly idiotic comments from the ex-UN climate chief. Science shows that 80% of current coal reserves need to be kept in the ground to stay below 2 degrees. Also - his last sentence argues for a "carbon price". But how would this stop coal being burnt? Unless the carbon price was applied globally throughout the whole world, a carbon price in some countries will just make the coal cheaper to burn elsewhere. The only way to stop coal being burnt (and stabilise our climate) is regulation to phase-out coal plants. Please get a basic grounding in economics, Yvo.
havasu46April 13, 2015 2:48 am
You can cut fossil fuel consumption by 50% by getting rid of 50% of the earth's population. Start now and have 4% less births each year for the next 10 years.
zinom yashim joshuaApril 12, 2015 10:39 pm
its high time we start raising our eye brows to vividly look at this issues before it goes beyond where it has.
Bob BinghamApril 12, 2015 3:17 am
Coal is a major contributor of CO2 to the atmosphere and most governments recognise this and are reducing the burning of it as quickly as possible. This is made easier as solar and wind are increasingly cheaper. The old model is broken and if we keep on using fossil fuels the cost in lost food production and rising sea levels will bankrupt every government on the planet. Its much cheaper to make the changes now as it will take years to complete them but hanging on with a few extra deals shows a lack of understanding of the bigger picture. http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/climate-threats.html
MayaApril 11, 2015 7:51 pm
Good thought because our thought is connected to nature. If all world leaders come together & decide to take care of nature, human being will follow them. Human body is made from earth, water, air, fire, ether. Give important to organic agriculture, use of solar panel , electric cars, so forest will be protected for good air & mansoon circle will regular.prevation law for industrialist for throwing drainage water in the rivers, actully government should demand to industrialist to collect fund to clean rivers, why to use public money? Save Mother earth who has given us body & she is nourishing also, giving all material things also.
nobocanApril 11, 2015 1:31 am
How can that be, when Wood Pellet Plants are coming on line, and it is known that Wood Pellet Plants emit more Pollution than Coal fired Plants or as told to me by an Expert, that One Wood Pellet Plant emits the same amount of Polluants equal to 4 Coal Plants....and I got my information from a neighbor who works as a Power Plant Operator....So who is lying to who???
StanleyApril 10, 2015 5:09 pm
Good reason for the flat in the planets surface temperature curve. Whoops. The electricity being supplied still has to be coming from other CO2 courses. So big deal except for the loss of infrastructure and power capability. Hope the next time the lights go off they come back on.
Nita ShaferApril 10, 2015 5:07 pm
And the electricity is coming from where ?
ReddlerApril 10, 2015 4:57 pm
This is really good news.
ReddlerApril 10, 2015 4:54 pm
Good picture of water vapor; CO2 is colorless. The snow on the ground tells you it is cold. Why aren't any pictures taken in the middle of summer when it is hot outside and there is no white cloud?
RonApril 10, 2015 4:31 pm
5% of the power generated in California comes from solar. In 5 years it will be more like 25%. It works, its cost effective and creates way more jobs than coal does.Coal is plague on the entire human race. Keep the closures coming, keep the jobs coming and stop polluting the planet. Its all good!
Robin_GuenierApril 9, 2015 7:58 am
Why pick on the Netherlands? It is responsible for less than 0.5% of global CO2 emissions and is at least trying to do something to reduce them. In contrast, China, responsible for about 27% of emissions, has no plans for reduction. Perhaps Ugenda should have a go at them?
Scott1154April 8, 2015 9:52 pm
RTCC must mean: Rotten Terrible Communist Country. Hahahahaha.! We do not like opposing views, they say. You are like the LA Times, which is: The Lenin Alinsky Tiimes.
Scott1154April 8, 2015 9:42 pm
This would be a good article except for one small fact. There is no climate change. Thus, the article is garbage.
GuyBBApril 8, 2015 12:44 am
That's nice, ignore the El Nino event, and the spike that it has always caused in tropical cyclones. "New Norm", indeed. The new norm is the constant propaganda bleating about climate change.
ThirunarayananApril 7, 2015 11:04 pm
Excellent idea to go back the way people used to conserve water in India.
TRUTH PRINCESSApril 7, 2015 9:35 pm
This is the guy suing? James Hansen’s climate forecast of 1988: a whopping 150% wrong.
socalpaApril 7, 2015 9:35 pm
Lawyers setting Energy Policy ? - Europe... say Good Bye to the last of your Industries .
John SamuelApril 7, 2015 1:23 pm
Ah, no, Greenland wasn't green then. Try again.
Risa Stephanie BearApril 7, 2015 3:55 am
Excellent.
WarrenApril 6, 2015 12:07 pm
3.0 mm /yr is still 50-100% higher than pre-1993.
WarrenApril 5, 2015 8:53 pm
He didn't say 'definitely'. And whether Antarctic ice is growing or shrinking is a phenomenon to be figured out by Science, just s AGW was figured out from the underlying physics of the Greenhouse Effect and the observed warming of the Earth.
WarrenApril 5, 2015 1:08 pm
Yes, a fall in the rate of sea level rise of 0.5 mm/yr, vs an increase in the rate of sea level rise of 1.5 to 2.5 mm/yr in the earlier part of the 20th century. Or in other words, the rate of rise from 1993 to 2004 ...3.0... Is 1.0 to 2.0 mm/yr Greater than the rate prior to 1993....or 50% to 100% more. By any measure, an acceleration that overwhelms the minor change since 1993.
mehrnooshApril 5, 2015 9:55 am
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BMaryApril 5, 2015 5:26 am
The Maldives survey is in its early days and I am sure they will be posting much more information and photographs as it progresses but if you log on to Catlin Seaview Survey you will find loads of information and photographs both scientific and lay man. I am an avid fan and wish them every good luck in this wonderful endeavour.
akatsukamiApril 2, 2015 10:29 pm
Yes; please do use force against Putin's Russia. You will undoubtedly have the same degree of success that Greenpeace did.
Smarter than Your Average BearApril 2, 2015 6:11 am
Perhaps but I'd really like to see prominent climate deniers arrested and thrown into solitary confinement for the rest of their lives. It's purely self-defence - maybe even stand your ground territory.
Lime KittyApril 1, 2015 4:18 pm
Article doesn't really mention it but the shipping sector has come leaps and bounds from where they were even ten years ago in terms of cutting carbon emissions. I expect that they will continue in this direction.
curly2April 1, 2015 12:19 am
Brasil didn't deploy an environmental security force in the Amazon because of climate change, they did it because ecosystems were being destroyed and the jungle stripped. This has been going on for years. AGW was not the causal factor.
FRANKOKMarch 31, 2015 11:58 pm
Refs. below - We the USA taxpayers pay $22 billion/year for global warming. Why? NOAA data shows warming is slowing over last 18 years even with large rise in CO2. It is mainly methane and water vapor and wonderful MAMA Nature and her cycles with her honey Mr. Sun, and with water vapor, oceans and volcanoes when she blows her top, and either opens methane holes or blows wind causing a polar vortex when she has gas, all as her home the Earth tilts on its axis. Refs. Search: lordmoncktonfoundation “Was 2014 the Warmest Year on Record? No, It Wasn’t” "Scientist Confesses: "Global Warming a $22 Billion Scam"" "Natural tilts in earth’s axis cause ice ages, says Harvard geophysicist" "republicans-to-investigate-climate-data-tampering-by-nasa" "Climate Alarmists Grasping at Icicles" "bad_news_for_warmists_sun_has_entered_weakest_solar_cycle_in_a_century" "scientists-balk-at-hottest-year-claims-we-are-arguing-over-the-significance-of-hundredths-of-a-degree-the-pause-continues"
Engineer66March 31, 2015 11:15 pm
Are you serious?
Chuckfrom St JohnsMarch 31, 2015 10:53 pm
Now now RTCC, we all know that: “Gender equality must be a key part of a new global climate change deal” as Mary Robinson, UN Climate envoy, stated In Lima, Peru, December 2014
Scott1154March 31, 2015 10:00 pm
Message to RTCC: Stop with the communist censorship, or I will sue you.
Raymond Michael BorlandMarch 31, 2015 9:36 pm
What constitutes a crime against the climate? Climate science is so poor they did not even predict the 18 year hiatus/pause in atmospheric warming. We don;t yet have a single climate computer model of 117 in the UN IPCC report that can accurately predict past, present and future climate change. We don't know with proof how much of the CO2 in the atmosphere at 400 ppm was caused by human actiities and which activities, nor do we know with certainty how much atmospheric warming is associated with additional atmospheric CO2. Finally there is no proof yet about any of the changes seen in world climate being caused by man made CO2 and not natural variability. hurricanes and tropical storms have been shown less frequent and less severe than in the 20th century. As opposed to the prediction snowfall did not cease in the USA by 2014. in fact we had more snow than ever. The Arctic ice did not disappear by 2012, despite the prediction from climate scientists echoed by Al gore worldwide. Atmospheric temperatures did not rise like a hockey stick starting in 1998. in fact for 18 years now they have a flat line trend. If these climate lunatics start incarcerating people who disagree with climate scince because it is bad unproven trash science, all hell will break loose.We have not had such threats of oppression aimed against scientists and people who don't agree with all the absurd claims made in the name of climate science since the catholic Church burned heretics at the stake. Just think if these same lunatics stifled freedom of speech in the late 1970s when they claimed a new Ice Age was going to start in 10 years and mass starvation in most of the world would prevail. They also predicted oil woul run out back then as well as many strategic minerals like silver,etc.
Mexifornia TaxpayerMarch 31, 2015 9:18 pm
Places like Chili and the Southwest US aint going to do crap as long as they continue to allow Rain Forests to be destroyed, overpopulation to run wild and Illegal immigration to continue!
Marc MMarch 31, 2015 9:15 pm
The Chinese are building military bases on top of live coral in the South China Sea. Is UNESCO going to render judgement on China?
Marc MMarch 31, 2015 9:12 pm
Norway doubled its coal imports, sourcing much of the increase from the US. Hardly a nation to be rendering judgement on any other country.
WarrenMarch 31, 2015 3:22 am
Oil companies have fiduciary obligations to their investors and customers. If the company were to take actions that undermined the viability of the enterprise, such as not exploring where justified economically, or failing to produce the products demanded by their customers, the Board would eventually replace the CEO, and if the Board did not, the shareholders would fire the Board. To expect oil companies to work against the interests of their investors (which include pension funds, and mom and pop, by the way) and their customers, is unrealistic. Both Exxon and Chevron Corporation support the conclusions of the IPCC, and in fact have many employees working on IPCC committees, as does my corporation. My friend and neighbor is a retired member of Chevron's Board, and was appointed to the Governor's Commission on Climate Change. He speaks loudly, publicly and often for the need for an International Agreement to reduce carbon emissions, and for a national carbon tax, as does Shell Oil's Chairman. You may support the need for higher Federal income taxes. If so, I'd ask if you send an extra check to the IRS along with your required tax payment. I expect you do not, nor does a corporation who recognizes the need for action on Climate Change volunteer to fall on its sword by failing to explore for more oil, and jeopardize its commitments to shareholders, employees, and customers. If you blame oil companies for climate change, you're barking up the wrong tree. The problem is a lack of national policy -eg, carbon tax, cap and trade, or similar -- that would change the behavior of all parties to invest, produce, and consume low carbon energy and products instead of today's high carbon fuels. Blaming economic participants --whether they be oil companies, you, me, or the hundreds of millions of individuals trying to earn a living for their families -- is counterproductive. Instead, I believe it is more useful to advocate for national policy that will incentivize behaviors that will reduce Greenhouse Gas emissions by everyone: http://citizensclimatelobby.org/carbon-fee-and-dividend/
Robin_GuenierMarch 30, 2015 10:49 am
A 'clear signal'? Hardly - rather like China's announcement last year (which it may well have regarded as a precedent) Mexico's statement seems to be, at best, ambiguous. A 'target' is not - notwithstanding your article's headline - a 'pledge' and (as with the Chinese announcement) a 'peak' is not a cut. And, in any case, 2026 is 11 years away. Then there's the strange 'The plans also include a target to cut emissions 22% from business as usual levels ...' report. What does that mean and how is it reconciled with the opening paragraph? All very confusing. The claim that 'It really blazes the path for others' may well be wishful thinking. (BTW it would have been helpful if you'd provided a link to the actual announcement.)
Steve CaseMarch 30, 2015 2:45 am
The web Page run by Colorado University's Sea Level Research Group has a link to the satellite data. Simple analysis of that data shows that from 1993 to 2004 the rate of sea level rise was 3.5 mm/yr. Since 2004 the rate is 3.0 mm/yr. That works out to a negative acceleration or deceleration of minus -0.052 mm/yr² Steve Case - Milwaukee, WI
GuyEdwardsMarch 29, 2015 6:48 pm
New leadership on climate as Mexico launches its National Contribution for climate deal in Paris http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/planetpolicy/posts/2015/03/27-national-contribution-climate-deal-edwards-roberts
NimaMarch 29, 2015 12:14 pm
Funding fossils through GCF funds defeats the whole purpose of the fund! Time to pull up our socks and ensure fossils are not funded through GCF money.
NimaMarch 29, 2015 12:00 pm
There is a real business and social case here for getting out of fossil fuels. Insurance, reinsurance companies, time to take heed.
John BrigMarch 29, 2015 7:22 am
The more immediate problems with climate change are floods and droughts that will cause serious food shortages resulting in economic collapse, for many countries, which can create a domino of defaults, then an international banking collapse.
Ben HammettMarch 29, 2015 4:16 am
Good article. I was hoping that they would give more info on the study itself. But I was very impressed by the photography. They have very clear water there.
joseph2237March 29, 2015 4:09 am
A warning without teeth, no bite no funding. We can't get congress to move on stuff like bridges, roads, and jobs bill and they expect us to move on something threat is going to happen in 2100. Congressmen all go to the beaches in the summer and from year to year they are not seeing any changes in sea level. I believe the planet is warming but not because of the sea level.
Steve CaseMarch 29, 2015 2:38 am
If you Google this title: Why has an acceleration of sea level rise not been observed during the altimeter era? you will find that the very people who keep the satellite records, R Steve Nerem and others, published this presentation showing that sea level rise has a negative acceleration rate of -0.06 mm/yr². That presentation is a few years old now but the acceleration is still negative. Steve Case - Milwaukee,WI
asmhiMarch 28, 2015 8:43 pm
This is how we combat bugs and disease by using generational seeds. Each season the next generation gets stronger and more resistant as it adapts naturally to it's environment. So each year we reap a better yield without having to use toxic pesticides and fertilizers...
Peter WadeMarch 28, 2015 7:52 pm
Rather than sticking money and effort into building dykes the smart thing to do would be concentrate on emission reduction.
samhammerMarch 28, 2015 7:26 pm
"Pakistan has coal resources of more than 185.5 billion tonnes. If half of these resources were exploited, [it would create a lot of electricity]." If half of these resources were burned, Pakistan would contribute just by itself half of the remaining carbon budget of the world. 0.5 * 185.5 billion tons of coal when burned creates ~2.86 * 0.5 * 185.5 billion tons of CO2 = 265 gigatons of CO2. Scientists tell us we can only emit 565 gigatons of CO2 to stay below 2°C of warming. In reality, we should burn much, much less to keep our planet habitable. 265 gigatons is almost half of that limit. More information here: http://www.carbonvisuals.com/work/do-the-math-supporting-a-350-dot-org-tour
Science OfficerMarch 28, 2015 7:24 pm
I like the Chinese approach. Just say you'll start thinking about making CO2 emission cuts after the year 2030, or so. In the meantime, you can spew all the fossil fuel emissions you need. By the time 2030 rolls around, the utter failure of the global warming hysteria should be common knowledge and they can just ditch the whole thing, without ever having unnecessarily hampered their economy.
ken hoboMarch 28, 2015 3:51 pm
The good news is that New York and LA will be destroyed. Half of the US morons will be wiped out!
Gary BruceMarch 28, 2015 3:47 pm
3 millimeters is one-tenth of an inch. Wow, run for the hills. The article also says sea level varies according to land rising and land falling. But they then calculate that over all sea level rising is threatening existing coastlines. So since 1993, sea level (overall) has risen about three-tenths of an inch. Big whoop.
benevolent_dictatorMarch 28, 2015 3:08 pm
So, what this article concludes is that their guess of the oceans having a mean sea level increase of 2.6 inches in 22 years is eclipsed by the statistical error of 3 inches, hence there has been no increase based on our current measuring system.
fuegoMarch 28, 2015 2:36 pm
According to this new data New York will be under water in 3000 yrs; long after humans became extinct.
Jim E SimpsonMarch 28, 2015 2:28 pm
i almost forgot i think its warmer too. i will have to get a volunteer to check the temp....
Jim E SimpsonMarch 28, 2015 2:26 pm
i noticed that my toilet bowl water level is even higher that usual...
Mike LambertsenMarch 28, 2015 1:23 pm
Run for the hills!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NickMarch 28, 2015 12:20 pm
A rise of 3.1 mm/yr isn't going to raise many eyebrows. On the short term, that's simply insufficient an amount to raise awareness of the problem and to provoke any meaningful action. When changes are imperceptible, the long-term picture becomes irrelevant. The prospect of 1/3 meter average sea level rise by the coming of the 22 century might as well be a fairy tale. In fact, the chances that this will be a linear rise isn't realistic. When greatly accelerated rates of rise kick in, then essentially it will be too late. And this highlights the basic problem: the delay in the effects of planetary warming along with their relative permanence. Can humanity see past the year-to-year slight changes and envision the large cumulative effects over multiple decades? It seems that the denialists hold the cards in this game.
Nancy WilsonMarch 28, 2015 12:16 pm
And still life goes on as before, with potential catastrophic implications getting closer all the time- the argument goes on, not suggestions of what we should all be doing to stop it.
Robert CoeMarch 28, 2015 11:54 am
Old adage states that "If you toss a pebble into the sea the water level rises just that much." So lets toss millions of tons of CO2 "pebbles" into the environment, and see how long it takes to flood our coastal cities. Smart, REAL Smart!!!
WashburnMarch 28, 2015 10:25 am
There were several stories weekly on Global warming, now there seems to be several stories daily on global warming. Is this because it will be snowing in New York today and it is almost April ?
Allan BarrMarch 28, 2015 8:11 am
Duh, its freshwater melt from underneath the ice, dilution means more lower quality ice, so simple, right?
bloozedaddyMarch 28, 2015 4:41 am
so they're using satellite data now because it's "hard" to record levels (tide gauges) otherwise...and then comparing them to the 20th century levels which were recorded with the unreliable methods ?
GuyBBMarch 28, 2015 2:41 am
So, as with every new bit of data, with every new trend, it has to be "worse than expected". Still, this new norm, of 3.1 mm/year is a far cry from any sort of disaster scenario. One foot per century may be a long term crisis to a low lying island, but if so, their community was living on borrowed time from the sea without sea level rise.
Orbiting IcebergMarch 28, 2015 2:26 am
How frightening! That means that ocean levels may have risen 2.44 inches in just 20 years. At this new accelerated pace, can we expect another 2.44 inches in the next 20 years? perhaps the ocean will just become deeper as the weight of water pushed the ocean floor down and forces the continents higher?
JMD52March 28, 2015 2:25 am
Put all those out of work, government check receiving citizens to work building seawalls around the low lying areas. We have millions of them and years to do it. Talk of your shovel-ready jobs.
Geoffrey GodbeyMarch 28, 2015 2:03 am
Simply all wrong. US remains the per capita leader in the world in CO2 emissions. China and US in combination account for 45% of this currently. Shell is a major cause of the coming death of the world and nothing can change that, not even PR lies. Humans are responsible for climate change and nothing can contradict that. CO2 build up began during Industrial Revolution. When CFCs were banned, ozone layer responded imediately. The folks who go to sites like this generally don't know much about it and consider the issue in political terms. Nixon ,of course,created the EPA--with good reason. Corporate capitalism has to be regulated or all is lost.
CarlySimonMarch 28, 2015 1:58 am
"I think it is safe to say that nobody really knows what the hell is going on." And then: "What is happening right now is the magnetic poles are getting ready to flip and it has everything all jacked up." I think you'd be wise to loosen up your chinstrap before you have a full-on subarachnoid hemorrhage.
Ted StanwoodMarch 28, 2015 1:43 am
I wish it would just hurry up, because another ten feet and I will be able to fish off my porch.
DanMarch 28, 2015 1:25 am
Not possible. Not possible. Not possible. GOP
nerdchildMarch 28, 2015 1:22 am
Oh my! Get the life boats!!!!!!!
Jenny HrvatskaMarch 27, 2015 8:32 pm
Those batteries are recyclable. How recyclable is the fuel used in ICEs?
WarrenMarch 27, 2015 8:05 pm
'Other forms of emissions are stalling'? The other five Kyoto greenhouse gases....methane, nitrous oxides, hydrofluorocarbons, perfluorocarbons, and sf6....are not under any regulatory regime that has limited or is limiting their production. Do you have data that says they've 'stalled'?
Rob SparrowMarch 27, 2015 12:48 pm
There seems to be little coverage of any of the uncertainties. The IPCC reports do mention the inadequacies of the current computer models but the media never report this. I think peoples views can be characterized into the following. 1.Some believe climate change is real and human beings are to blame. 2.Some believe climate change is real and it is part of a natural cycle. 3.Some believe climate change is real, is a combination of human activity and a natural cycle with the human factor being more important. 4.Some believe climate change is real with the human factor being a minor influence. 5. Some do not believe there is any climate change. Those in group 1 have controlled the debate labeling everyone else as deniers. As a consequence it is the political agenda that gets pushed rather than that of mitigation which should be the top priority for all those except the ones in group 5.
Jack ReacherMarch 27, 2015 12:00 pm
Was not Biden supposedly some sort of Middle East foreign policy expert?
Micah KamauMarch 27, 2015 10:55 am
i would like to promote electric vehicles in kenya
SPMCpk.com (Services, ProductMarch 27, 2015 10:48 am
All credit goes to the government of Pakistan and Prime minister Nawaz Sharif to have take the subject of environment seriously. Tufail Ali Sustainability & Environmental Consultant http://www.SPMCpk.com/
anthropgenic agnosticMarch 27, 2015 10:31 am
A REASONABLE DEVELOPING COUNTRY CO2 EMISSIONS TARGET Each developing country agrees to limit Per Capita CO2 emissions to the level of the average of the developed countries' Per Capita CO2 emissions, at the time that each developing country's Per Capita GDP equals half of the developed countries' average Per Capita GDP.
CJ CroninMarch 26, 2015 11:47 pm
Yes, you sound very fair and reasonable, but you don't know or understand the oil men. I have been in their company and to even mention green concerns will generate their utter derision. They have only one concern - money. The amount of oil that lies beneath the shallow seas of the north pole is enough to power the United States for only one year, and it lies within an international wildlife reserve. and yet the oil men cannot wait for the polar cap to fully melt and are already fighting each other to be first in for the spoils. Svenab is right - 'reckless profiteering at any cost'. Think of 'gold fever' and you are close to the mark.
Dennis GMarch 26, 2015 7:51 pm
The IPCC is not even about science anymore. At a news conference (Feb 2015) in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism. "This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution," she said.
FrankMarch 26, 2015 5:38 pm
“The government is well aware of the environmental hazards of the coal-fired power projects...", so why did it undertake to do these projects in the first place ? This is what Pakistanis gets for using their brain only for balancing their bodies while subcontracting thinking to the Chinese.
curtaincall299March 26, 2015 4:27 pm
Short sighted view - because the more coal we burn the more C02 we emit which affects mainly the world's poorest - the very people who don't have electricity. These are the people who will not be able to grow crops on their little plot of land due to salinity intrusion from cyclones. The very same people who will have their homes washed away from floods and tornadoes. The poorest in Africa who have seen drought year after year. THOSE are the consequences of relying on coal for energy - however energy efficient the coal industry tries to make it seem. Cars and electricity can be powered by energy other than fossils. If renewable energy receives even half the investment fossil fuels do, imagine the potential! It could power the homes of the poor as 3.5 million homes have been in Bangladesh. Business as usual for the Third world as you like to call it will end up hurting them even more, because as these economies grow and burn more fossils, it is their lives and livelihoods that will be hurt the most.
Ari August Segebarth-BjergaMarch 26, 2015 3:02 pm
Fun fact: the head of WWF Norway, Nina Jensen, is the sister of the head of the climate-sceptic Progress party. Awkward family dinners, much?
Captain Jack ReacherMarch 26, 2015 12:57 pm
At this rate, Obama's going to destroy the democrats as a viable US political party.
GaryMarch 26, 2015 10:27 am
Typical rubbish talk from a conservative! None of those countries are communist except in the sick mind of conservatives! Why do you love profit from pollution more than human lives?
Tom UsherMarch 26, 2015 9:32 am
"February storms in the U.S. are expected to cost insurers more than $1 billion.... "Five separate storm systems hit the U.S. during the month, bringing heavy snow, frigid cold, freezing rain and ice. The storms resulted in 72 deaths and transportation disruption and business closures in major metropolitan areas." http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2015/03/09/359799.htm
curtaincall299March 26, 2015 6:44 am
If the Green Climate Fund is funding coal projects, maybe we need to better understand what "green" is. Why would it even consider funding fossils? This is ridiculous!
Science OfficerMarch 26, 2015 3:45 am
Must be nice to have a small population, all that hydroelectric power, plus plenty of North Sea oil and gas to sell. They can afford to be environmentalists.
Science OfficerMarch 26, 2015 3:39 am
So much for an "all of the above" energy policy, to raise developing countries out of economic poverty. You'll just have to accept the table scraps we give you.
RobertVincinMarch 26, 2015 1:12 am
Until Climate executive embraces established solutions to lower 340 yrs of anthropogenic CO2e build via the 2-4% of sequestering vegetation to become captive soil soil-carbon and elements the ever changing MOP of COP will never formulate a plan to save the decaying planet foe the historians of tomorrow. The UN has no working office to repair home Earth. I must be a collective of hands on assembly of experts. Well planned such self funds all that is needed is Nations Government to join such a collective. By 2020 poverty desertification climate change reversed UN COP could move to teaching 2-3 generations of displaced folk Farming marketing education etc. Sadly committees work on dont make a decision and you wont make a mistake during your brief tenure. Maybe the kids can fix their mess
Raymond Michael BorlandMarch 26, 2015 12:41 am
The only "climate friendly" power plants the third world countries could build are solar farms and windmill farms. So there will be no electricity at night in these countries or when the wind does not blow. better yet, let the Third World countries live in mud huts with no heat or electricity, and bicycle or walk. No cars, no fossil fuels, nothing but living like the neaderthal man lived 50,000 years ago. Tht is the ideal the green advocates want for the world. Demolish dams and restore most of the land to it prehuman condition. Even better if 7.5 billion people on earth die now so the remaining 500 million can live a sustainable fuure. Are you one of the 7.5 billion who are not part of the elite and not fit to live in this brave new world? Sorry about that.
Daniel BargerMarch 25, 2015 10:54 pm
The decision to refuse insurance to the coal industry is a political one. Just as the Obama administration has implemented Operation Chokepoint to put gun dealers etc. out of business by blackmailing banks and credit card companies into refusing to provide financial services to them. The goal of the communists who have seized power in the US, Britain and most of Europe is to destroy modern industry, collapse economies and turn free people back into serfs and indentured servants that work for the handful of evil people in power.
OneHundredbyFiftyMarch 25, 2015 10:47 pm
This post has graphs of Li-ion costs and has links to a number of studies. https://handlemanpost.wordpress.com/2013/12/24/cost-projections-for-lithium-ion-batteries/ I expect we will be seeing $100 / kwhr by 2025 and Elon Musk says he things that is the latest, and that it likely is sooner.
WarrenMarch 25, 2015 9:28 pm
Your underlying point that fossil fuels must 'go away' is of course correct, but characterization of those involved in the fossil fuel industry as somehow evil because they are uniquely interested in profits is entirely wrong -- all economic participants -- and that includes you, unless you're living in a cave-- are driven either directly or indirectly by self interest and 'profits'. Asking your neighbor to stop using fossil fuels to heat his home or drive his car is an unrealistic solution requiring everyone on Planet Earth to ignore their own, and their family's, self -interest. Transitioning away from fossil fuels requires putting a price on carbon, either through a carbon tax, cap or trade, or some other mechanism to stop this 'tragedy of the commons'-- no one paying for their own pollution. And such policies would harness the incentives of profits to move us to low carbon. Lets encourage others to support international treaties to reduce emissions, and responsible policy action within our own country: http://citizensclimatelobby.org/carbon-fee-and-dividend/
socalpaMarch 25, 2015 9:12 pm
... - Five Billion people Worldwide rely on Fossil Fuels for heat, light and transportation. - Thus...there will Never be a "Climate Deal" that prevents FF exploration, Development or Use. - Politicians that even propose this will be thrown out of office. See Australia . See U.S. midterms ,Five Blue Energy states went Deep Red Nov 4th..See Germany, Greens went from 22% of Parliament to 8% after energy costs rose by a tthird in less than 2 years. See UKIP rise in England etc.. - Not going to happen
GuyBBMarch 25, 2015 9:02 pm
Failing to provide proof of anything they claim, the rush is on to mandate, legislate or provide punishing economic sanctions on any form of fossil fuel usage. Neo-Luddites all, in a rush to destroy the civilization they loath so.
Paul M RaupMarch 25, 2015 7:35 pm
No mention of what WILL happen if 41% of the world's electricity is shut off ?People wearing blinders should not be driving economies........
anthropgenic agnosticMarch 25, 2015 5:31 pm
It's interesting that, at least in this article, the students did not mention the harmful effect that banning coal would have on developing countries. The developed countries came to be where they are with cheap fossil fuels being a necessary part of growth. Now the developed countries tell the developing countries that the latter should invest in renewable energy. Presently renewables are costlier per effective output, keeping in mind also that solar and wind sources need energy storage or use fossil fuel as backup until cost-effective storage is available in the future. Yet apparently, the haves are not willing to financially support the cost difference, while developing countries are expected to significantly cut their use of coal, which would significantly hinder its hundreds of millions from attaining the health, longevity, education, and other benefits enjoyed by much of the world. Hundreds of millions! This is not only unfair, it is immoral and hypocritical.
BarryWoodsMarch 25, 2015 2:52 pm
Just wondering why GreenAlliance partner - Greenpeace - is not calling for the Green Alliance to divest from it's oil company parters - BP and Shell... http://www.green-alliance.org.uk/partners.php
PatrickInBeijingMarch 25, 2015 11:47 am
LOL. I was a computer consultant/engineer for many years before I retired and became a teacher. Most of the so-called deniers are bad programmers who call themselves engineers but really are either mediocre code jockies or renamed mechanics. I remember back in the 1970's when everyone began to call themselves an engineer. Lot of unbroken paper bags from those days still remain. If you need a credential to make your argument, then go for it.
John WBMarch 25, 2015 10:51 am
Well done India for ignoring the climate mobsters pressure.
PaulMarch 25, 2015 9:45 am
One of his fellow UKIP chairmen once suggested that the use of wind turbines would slow down the rotation of the earth, so this guy is in good company Dave. :(
Hacia Basura Cero CRMarch 25, 2015 5:01 am
Unfortunately, developing countries are disadvantaged in their ability to manage waste incineration projects in terms of limiting the risks of producing emissions and disposal of liquid and solid byproducts. This requires strong monitoring of which materials are allowed into the process, thus leaving these countries defenseless due to lack of resources to do so.
jamesMarch 25, 2015 4:44 am
They're used for storage. For example, a home with solar can store it's excess electricity in reused EV batteries.
Bob_WallaceMarch 25, 2015 2:55 am
Toyota states that it will cost 17 cents per mile to drive their FCEV. The price might eventually come down to 10 cents per mile. http://ecomento.com/2014/08/13/bullish-toyota-admits-hydrogen-wont-be-cheap/#comment-236548 It costs about 4 cents per mile to drive a Tesla S charged with average US retail electricity. How thrilled do you think Toyota Mirai buyers are going to be to find out that they are paying far more per mile than ICEV and EV drivers?
Bob_WallaceMarch 25, 2015 2:50 am
A report by Navigant Research last October stated that Tesla was paying Panasonic $180/kWh for the batteries used in the Model S. With the Tesla/Panasonic gigafactory up and running it is expected that the cost of batteries will drop 30%, just below $130/kWh. The cost of materials in the lithium-ion batteries used by Tesla is approximately $70/kWh which means with large scale manufacturing the selling price of batteries can drop to $100/kWh. That would make the cost of an EV cheaper than a same-model ICEV. http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/battery-storage-costs-plunge-below100kwh-19365
Bob_WallaceMarch 25, 2015 2:46 am
"A new study (Part 1, Part 2) for the Department of Energy finds that "off-peak" electricity production and transmission capacity could fuel 70% percent of the U.S. light-duty vehicle (LDV) fleet, if they were plug-in hybrid electrics. (Note: an earlier version of this release referenced 84% capacity based on LDV fleet classification that excluded vans)." http://www.pnl.gov/news/release.aspx?id=204 This was a 2006 release and the 70% number is likely out of date. Since 2006 we have added a lot more wind to US grids, increasing our late night capacity. We're likely moving back to the 90% level. ;o) But that does not matter. We can easily stay far ahead of the addition demand created by EVs. We will continue to cut consumption from other sources as we become more efficient and we will continue to cut demand with end-user solar.
Bob_WallaceMarch 25, 2015 2:42 am
Local power grids may have to replace transformers sooner or swap them out for larger/solid state transformer because they would not be allowed to cool down. This is not a big dea.
Byron SmithMarch 25, 2015 2:20 am
Hundreds, including major cities like San Francisco and Seattle, major universities like Stanford and Glasgow and ANU, major church bodies like the World Council of Churches, major investment bodies like the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund (largest in world) and the Rockefellers, major political players have either endorsed the idea or said that it is worth paying serious attention to, like Obama, the head of the Bank of England and the UNFCCC. And many, many more.
Chuck OMarch 25, 2015 1:56 am
These numbers have been crunched long ago. There's simply no way the grid is going to be strained unless there was an overnight mass adoption of electric vehicles (as in every driver in America switching immediately). This is never going to happen. And even if 50% of the drivers suddenly switched (also highly unlikely anytime soon), there wouldn't be a strain on the grid. Presently since utilities generally do not throttle back in the evenings (during off-peak hours), there is a tremendous amount of power that goes to waste in this country every night. Power companies are practically trying to give electricity away in the evenings offering huge discounts for people willing to switch to time-per-use plans and use it mostly at night. Still most of it goes to waste. However, EV owners would be using this off-peak surplus power (which normally goes to waste), to charge their batteries.
reality bitesMarch 25, 2015 12:56 am
you don't need to be genius to work out that fossil fuels are pumping enough co2 into the atmosphere to cause climate change. Fossil fuels will NOT sustain human life, it will eventually wipe out all life . It may, in the short term, help cause an increase in human life, but this is of course not sustainable .
jstack6March 24, 2015 11:12 pm
similar to electronics ,Moore's Law it will just keep getting better and better. Compare that to Oil and NG gas getting dirtier and harder to get and Fracking all over our planet.
jstack6March 24, 2015 11:04 pm
Used EV batteries can and are used for Renewable backup like Solar and Wind. Just check PG&E in California that is buying used vehicle batteries. Some can also last a very long time. My FORD Focus EV has liquid cooled batteries and zero loss of capacity after 2 years use in the Phoenix HEAT. They are predicted to last 20 years at 80% or better capacity. So far I believe FORD. After 20 years they can work with my Solar home.
Carl JensenMarch 24, 2015 9:53 pm
I think I've had too much science background and have seen plenty of bad science in my days that scientists did not know was bad. The current scientific atmosphere is poisoned by politics and money, and holes appear regularly in the climate scientists precognitive powers. We do not know why, we did not account for, those facts are meaningless while these facts are not... I do not respect the science institutions the way I once did, and I know that sometimes a majority does not mean a correct majority. Relatively meaningless to some but very important to my own critical thinking. No matter. Getting away from petrol use has been in my hopes since the 70s, hopefully this global-warming imperative will get something done in that direction. Too late to do much good, if man-made warming enthusiasts are correct in their assumptions and predictions.
svenabMarch 24, 2015 7:44 pm
A growing number of people are fed up with the international fossil fuel mafia, the petro tyrants, carbon barons and their reckless profiteering at any cost. The fossil fuel industry is a sunset industry. Even Qatar, Abu Dhabi and Norway increasingly invest in renewables. Only the rigid kleptocratic countries like Russia, most OPEC tyrants and of course the Koch bros remain behind -. And they will be left increasingly more behind with their stranded fossil fuel assets and old fashioned technologies. http://ufbutv.com/2014/08/11/over-to-renewables-now/
MeMarch 24, 2015 7:01 pm
I'd encourage anyone skeptical of the future of electric cars to do some research on new battery technologies. Graphene is a new material that when used in batteries could boost capacity ten fold and dramatically reduce recharge times. A company in Japan has developed a battery that replaces lithium with carbon, making it incredibly environmentally friendly, while also reducing costs and charge times. This stuff may take awhile to get to market, but the point is that the future of batteries is bright, and as prices fall and technology improves, electric vehicles will inevitably become cheaper and better options for a huge number of people.
cuate87March 24, 2015 5:51 pm
Love the phrase, " a growing number". Just what does it imply. How many are there and who are they.
todMarch 24, 2015 4:42 pm
somebody invited a music producer to talk about happiness at the UN and ... what does this have to do with climate?
asdfMarch 24, 2015 4:39 pm
*30 years means that we'll blow this century's budget in 30 years, not that we can start worrying in 30 years. see this http://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/18/shells-global-warming-strategy-is-psychopathic-paranoid-says-former-uk-climate-envoy/
David WomackMarch 24, 2015 2:42 pm
I have to disagree with the notion that a strain will be put on the grid... At least in the US, it has been suggested that the grid, in it's current state, can support the energy needs of 89% of all light travel.
garryMarch 24, 2015 12:32 pm
Some of this article misses the point about batteries. Whatever the price may be, current Li-Ion technology has hit a wall. The batteries used in a Tesla were developed in the early 90's to power laptops and flashlights. They work well in that capacity. In a 5,000 lb car traveling 3 hours @ 65 MPH ... not so good. They were not intended to cope with bitter winter temps, high charge rates or sustained high cruise speeds. It takes tremendous energy to power a car. Panasonic #18650's were not intended for that even when more than 7,000 are combined. To compare, a mere 11 lbs. of hydrogen is all that's needed to propel the Toyota FCV over 300 miles. A Tesla must lug around a 1,200 lb battery to simply approach that range. Further, on bitter winter days, some Tesla owners report losing 40% of their range. Some have said, "They didn't invest in Tesla's cold weather package." The power to run that option has to come from somewhere and Tesla says it exacts a 7% range penalty. Tesla's are great cars, but batteries remain the weak link. Others say, "Are you blind? Don't you read about all the new ideas?" Yes, but none are in production. So far, Li-Ion is the only technology that has proved itself adaptable to mass production. That is why the Gigafactory is tooling up to produce Li-Ion. Even if one of the incredible new ideas gains traction, it will have to undergo years of proof of concept and performance testing. Likely it will also be tested in smaller, less expensive applications. No company in their right mind will spend millions of dollars re-tooling their factory and creating supply lines without proof they will work as intended. One chemist suggested this process would take 10 years. So Lithium Ion will be around for a while ... with all its attendant limitations. The author is correct, however, that economies of scale will bring down the prices. And for many, BEV's are just what they need. The lower prices will be welcome.
nickMarch 24, 2015 12:27 pm
What they gona do with all those battery when there life cycle gona end? Did this will cause more pollution then the petroleum product?
rnMarch 24, 2015 12:21 pm
"Strain local power grids"? Are you kidding? After dark, power plants have excess capacity as it is. Time/rate based charging will insure charging is done then as well as maximize utility profit.
BrucecovexenoMarch 24, 2015 7:53 am
this is probably why oil is so cheap now,,,BIG OIL IS SCARED TO DEATH ELECTRIC CARS WILL COST AS MUCH AS GAS DRIVEN VEHICLES AND PETROLEUM WILL TAKE A SERIOUS HIT so get ready for a new pay by mile tax!!
greenknight32March 24, 2015 6:26 am
EVs needn't be a strain on power grids if distributed power production expands in concert with EV adoption. Solar, wind, and combined heat and power electric production at or near the point of consumption will actually make for more resilient electric grids, without much need to increase capacity, though modernization of the grids will be needed to better incorporate distributed power. What will be strained is the business model of for-profit electric utilities - they need to stop fighting distributed power and get on with adapting to it.
Al BerardMarch 24, 2015 6:09 am
WHAT , No mention of Tesla's Gigafactory ????
Kerry PhillipsMarch 24, 2015 5:53 am
Already commented earlier on a different post... Lithium "D" cell batteries are available for $10.70, this is $156 per KWH. I am predicting $100KWh with Tesla's gigafactory.
curtaincallMarch 24, 2015 5:43 am
Yes things would've been better if there had been an insurance pool from 1991. More of the poor would've been able to bounce back from disasters, they would have something to fall back on. It constantly angers me that the developed countries who have caused climate change in the first place are so blind when its effects fall outside their borders. If an insurance pool is to be created now (long overdue), let us not penalize the poor, let those who can afford to pay for it. I think developed countries can make a significant contribution to that pool.
jwusmc03March 24, 2015 5:23 am
And this is before Elon Musks GigaFactory is up and running and in full swing as well which is, at least in America, expected to bring battery prices down by further orders of magnitude. It is indeed looking like a very bright future for EV's and Mr. Musk, not that I ever doubted him as I've been a supporter of his companies and technologies from the start. He's a wonderful man and exactly what this planet needs.
gordoMarch 24, 2015 5:15 am
Hopefully it segues into solar
Gary RichardsonMarch 24, 2015 4:38 am
Exciting to see competing battery chemistries come to fruit. This looks similar to the competition between different solar technologies. Maybe in the future you will see 3 or 4 chemistries in one pack that are tailored to customer use (such as economy, moderate, rapid charge max, racer/off-road blends, etc..)
kenrmerMarch 24, 2015 4:14 am
Geez, just start planting trees to replace the 20+ million acres of forest we removed since the beginning of the 20th century. Reduce the amount of lawn we have by planting trees. Trees consume CO2. They thrive on it. There...problem solved....cheaply.
scuba guyMarch 24, 2015 3:13 am
They are not forests but plantations. Forests are not one species of trees but hundreds of different species that benefit NOT only man but the animals as well as the biodiversity of the forest.
Paul MaherMarch 24, 2015 2:18 am
"A significant rise in the number of EVs on the roads could start to strain local power grids." There's doubt about it, that could be a problem if it wasn't for advanced Photovoltaic cells and LENR coming on very strongly. GM has even considered a Thorium MSRE powered approach. And then there's Graphene and new Thermoelectric devices that can provide a bypass to steam. I believe that in the not to far distant future that the current energy paradigm is going to get turned on its ear. Will you be ready? Paul Maher coldfusionnow.org
Paul MaherMarch 24, 2015 2:17 am
A significant rise in the number of EVs on the roads could start to strain local power grids. - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/03/23/falling-battery-prices-boost-outlook-for-electric-vehicles/#sthash.yHbw8EFw.dpuf A significant rise in the number of EVs on the roads could start to strain local power grids. - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/03/23/falling-battery-prices-boost-outlook-for-electric-vehicles/#sthash.yHbw8EFw.dpuf
WarrenMarch 23, 2015 10:00 pm
Sorry, I didn't cite or imply any source, but if you want it, here it is: http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/13/3633362/iea-co2-emissions-decouple-growth/
WarrenMarch 23, 2015 9:59 pm
I'm not 'excited'. Just want to make sure we have the picture accurately portrayed.
Science OfficerMarch 23, 2015 7:13 pm
I'd like to know how China managed to pull off such a sweet deal. No reduction in CO2 emissions required until around the year 2030, but the USA will immediately hamstring their own economy and implement cuts without delay. That's clever negotiating, there.
Mariel VilellaMarch 23, 2015 6:51 pm
Thank you!!
Science OfficerMarch 23, 2015 6:13 pm
Meanwhile, the eastern seaboard of the United States is enjoying the longest interval between major hurricane landfalls in over a century, and tornado activity is the lowest it's ever been since the 1950's. We urgently need more global warming weather activity like this.
Climate HomeMarch 23, 2015 3:54 pm
Duly corrected
James GreysonMarch 23, 2015 3:26 pm
welcome :-) Glad of your thoughts on my proposal for circular economics to end waste management based on disposal, http://www.govsgocircular.com/cases/extending-producer-responsibility-with-precycling-premiums/
Mariel VilellaMarch 23, 2015 2:50 pm
Thanks a lot for the correction! Indeed it's missing the 1000 factor which makes a rather impressive figure. Where it reads that "The average trash incinerator in the U.S. directly emits an average of 5.5 pounds of carbon dioxide per MWh and 6.2 pounds of nitrous oxide per MWh—both greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming." It should say that in fact, "the average trash incinerator in the U.S. directly emits an average of 2.5 tons of carbon dioxide per MWh and 2.8 tons of nitrous oxide per MWh—both greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming."
Tom UsherMarch 23, 2015 12:08 pm
Concerning all the roof losses in the US due to heavy snow from the Polar Vortex caused by warming, is broad-form coverage a scam? Why do you think GDP is the right yardstick?
N LecocqMarch 23, 2015 12:00 pm
"When it comes to nuclear power, small isn't beautiful. Or safe or cheap." GP blog on SMR : http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/nuclear-reaction/when-it-comes-to-nuclear-power-small-isnt-bea/blog/49679/
James GreysonMarch 23, 2015 11:02 am
Maybe a need for gasification etc for legacy waste-streams that are not compatible with circular economy? Eg hazardous materials. This should not however excuse continued production of materials incompatible with a healthy future. We still need immediate whole-economy product responsibility. For how to do this see the best practice case study http://www.govsgocircular.com/cases/extending-producer-responsibility-with-precycling-premiums/
iPatriotMarch 23, 2015 6:16 am
RAILWAYS CAN USE ALL THE BUILDINGS, ALL THE PLATFORM SHELTERS FOR SOLAR, AND ALSO SELL/LEASE THE SPACE ABOVE ENTIRE PERMANENT WAY TO SOLAR GENERATORS
mousamMarch 23, 2015 2:42 am
Extraordinary letter.
Enough is EnoughMarch 22, 2015 1:53 pm
I love looking at the backgrounds of most of the global warming crowd on social media. Most are government employees, public school teachers or artists. Many of the so called deniers are engineers or scientists.....and we are told that we either hate science or are simply too stupid to understand....I would offer that perhaps the believers are simply gullible.
foolsdietooMarch 22, 2015 2:11 am
It's amazing to read the comments of people who are obviously still deluding themselves about global warming. Read some scientific papers people. Or better still get some education in science and read the publications. 97% of climate scientists are in agreement that human induced climate change is underway. The evidence is everywhere. But you people probably prefer to keep your heads buried in the sand.
BobMarch 22, 2015 1:54 am
whats he suppose to throw during an extended extreme cold weather pattern with record snowfalls? I guess its better then throwing excrement like the believers of global warming Nick.
howard pattersMarch 22, 2015 12:40 am
Ha! Shell is funding all sorts of global warming research in a bid to kill coal and create industrial dependence on natural gas. I'm shocked that climate alarmists aren't satisfied with that;)
Kevin McGrathMarch 21, 2015 10:12 pm
9 out of 10 readers won't know what the Czech reference is about. But they're SURE Germany is mostly on renewables already.
Shlomo DowenMarch 21, 2015 9:27 pm
The term "biogas" as used in the article relates to anaerobic digestion (AD) - as is clear from the link provided to the map of "Operational AD sites" in the UK. The term "Waste to Energy" as used by orko138 is confusing, as it conflates AD and incineration. The incineration industry is afraid to use the "i word" and instead uses euphemisms - just as the article's author points out. I agree with Mariel, that Green Climate Fund money should not be spent on incineration. I also agree with orko138, that it would be good if Green Climate Fund money is spent on anaerobic digestion / biogas.
Shlomo DowenMarch 21, 2015 9:19 pm
Gasification is a form of incineration. There is no place for any type of incineration in the closed-loop (circular) economy to which we should be working.
Science OfficerMarch 21, 2015 7:38 pm
Makes you wonder how much longer a manufacturing country like Germany, will keep paying 20 billion Euro a year for what should be 3 billion Euro worth of electricity. The renewable energy projects are sucking the life out of their economy.
4567654March 21, 2015 6:56 pm
That's funny since Todd Stern helped send Sino-US relations to its worst since the Cold War. During Obama's first year in office there was the UN Copenhagen environment summit where Todd Stern was vilifying China before the summit even started. Why? Because Obama was setting up China to blame for Copenhagen's failure. Now why would Obama blame China for its failure before the summit even started? It's because as it was well reported at the time Congress wasn't going to pass anything agreed at Copenhagen thus Obama and the US would eventually get blamed for its failure much like Bush and Kyoto. So to prevent that mark against him, Obama had Todd Stern set up China to blame by demanding something that China would be against which was that only developing countries had to make all the sacrifices while developed ones responsible for the majority of greenhouse gases had to do nothing. That assured Copenhagen's failure. In Hillary Clinton's book she mentions that at Copenhagen the Chinese had sent a low-level official to meet with Obama. Many in the media point to this insult as what turned relations between China and US sour. No, what the media and Hillary didn't mention it was Obama framing China to blame for Copenhagen's failure when he sabotaged it just so he wouldn't have that mark against him in his freshman year in office because he knew Congress wasn't going to ratify anything agreed at Copenhagen which soured relations. If anyone remembers Obama when running for President proclaimed he was going to be the Green President. Where's the Green President now? Every UN environmental summit that followed, Obama has demanded the same thing which leads them to failure. Obama has constantly slapped tariffs on inexpensive solar technology that would make it affordable. The only green Obama was talking about was from money. Slapping tariffs on foreign exports of green technology means making money from alarming people over the environment as he did when running for President was priority number one. Now we're seeing the last leg of Obama's Presidency and you can tell he doesn't take responsibility for his own actions. He blames them on others.
cuate87March 21, 2015 5:34 pm
This needs an Executive Summary. Few are willing to read this in its entirety. Way to wordy and boring, but fitting for his position.
FRANKOKMarch 21, 2015 5:13 pm
Aston tells Shell: "Use your balance sheet to lever governments into a deal on costs" In other words have the taxpayers pay for underdeveloped countries and others such as China and India emissions to help their economic balance sheets. The Paris conference will be another economic conference - with a couple hundred private jets parked on the tarmac. Refs. below - We the USA taxpayers pay $22 billion/year for global warming. Why? NOAA data shows warming is slowing over last 18 years even with large rise in CO2. It is mainly methane and water vapor and wonderful MAMA Nature and her cycles with her honey Mr. Sun, and with water vapor, oceans and volcanoes when she blows her top, and either opens methane holes or blows wind causing a polar vortex when she has gas, all as her home the Earth tilts on its axis. Refs, Search: lordmoncktonfoundation “Was 2014 the Warmest Year on Record? No, It Wasn’t” "Scientist Confesses: "Global Warming a $22 Billion Scam"" "Natural tilts in earth’s axis cause ice ages, says Harvard geophysicist" "republicans-to-investigate-climate-data-tampering-by-nasa" "Climate Alarmists Grasping at Icicles" "bad_news_for_warmists_sun_has_entered_weakest_solar_cycle_in_a_century" "scientists-balk-at-hottest-year-claims-we-are-arguing-over-the-significance-of-hundredths-of-a-degree-the-pause-continues"
Barry RoseMarch 21, 2015 4:22 pm
Shell killing seashells and human shells
VindpustMarch 21, 2015 3:26 pm
What a tedious narcissistic ramble.
VestiasMarch 21, 2015 1:07 pm
Parts of the Artic are melting so quickly and because Groud Zero of climatie change the modern world has to pin down serious policies on climate change
cardiganMarch 21, 2015 11:56 am
"belching toxic smoke from chimneys, exploding refineries that are a consequence of their business" Why do chimneys always "belch". I have never heard one belch yet. What about all the emission control equipment that they carry. Exploding refineries? How many of those do you get a week?
Robin_GuenierMarch 21, 2015 10:52 am
There's another report of this story here: http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060015093 But, with reference to my comments above, it's worth noting the concluding paragraphs: "But Glen Peters, an energy expert at the Oslo, Norway-based CICERO research group, offered up a note of caution. More surprising than the numbers itself, he said, is the fact that the IEA made the still-fresh data public so early. "I think of them as very preliminary, and I wouldn't be surprised if they changed," he said. Peters noted that when the Chinese government submitted energy statistics this year, it actually revised upward by 8 percent the country's coal consumption from 2013. Something similar could happen with 2014 data, as well, he cautioned. At the same time, forecasters have long been skeptical about the veracity of China's self-reported GDP data. So, Peters said, it also remains possible that the 2014 flat emissions figure is in fact connected to an economic downturn."
DerbyWasteMarch 21, 2015 1:27 am
Mar 20 at 7:56 PM Here in Derby UK the UK Green Investment Bank is paying £64 million towards a waste gasification plant (a waste incineration plant as definded in the waste incineration directive) that will be a disposal facility as it fails the R1 efficiency test in standard electricity only mode - at the bottom of the waste hierarchy unless it exports large volumes of heat / steam which it has never put forward a customer for. By making such a payment the GIB is rewarding failure. Simon Derby UK
PaulGMarch 21, 2015 1:04 am
Life is the source of all human rights. If you respect human life, then invest in what sustains human life. Fossil fuels are essential to supporting human life. The survival of 7,000,000,000 people depends on energy, and fossil fuels are the major economical source of energy available. No one, neither scientist, fortune-teller, or other mystic, can see into the future. Human beings will have to maintain their humility and adapt to climate change as nature delivers it. People who pretend to be experts about what the future will bring, and those who think they can control the future, will have to face the consequences of their arrogance, If they do gain power, we may all have to pay the price for their foolishness. World politicians are all about ruling people, not about contributing to development of the means necessary to sustain life. Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. - Francis Bacon
ManoftheRepublicMarch 20, 2015 11:33 pm
There is due diligence, but they are required by law to fuduciary duty... "She emphasised the need to make sure action on climate change goes hand in hand with eliminating poverty and upholding human rights." In other words... She emphasized that WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION WAS ONE OF THE GOALS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
trabobMarch 20, 2015 10:42 pm
ed Thanks, just read this today and good timing as it was +16% today nice :-) (a year latter)
Science OfficerMarch 20, 2015 6:31 pm
While you're at it. Our family reunion picnic got rained out this year. First time anyone can remember, even great grandma Violet. Had to scrap the softball game and the cookout. The twins got in a real tussle with the Anderson boys and the potato salad turned out just awful. We're blaming global warming for the whole fiasco and we'd like a check from this UN Green Climate Slush Funds for our damages, too. Just send it to Meadowlark Farm on rural route two, but if you send it to the town post office, they'll get it to us. Well, gotta go now. Thanks.
Robin_GuenierMarch 20, 2015 5:31 pm
A reasonable enough take Barbershores.
MagdaMarch 20, 2015 5:30 pm
There are 3 anti incineration coalitions in Brazil, Argentina and Mexico, and several zero waste movements in Mexico, Costa Rica, Colombia, Brazil, Chile and Argentina, plus a Latinamerican Network of Recyclers (wastepickers). This reality shows us that it is possible and there is real interest on improving the current situation that developing countries live regarding waste management. And not precisely by burning our waste. We need clear policies to promote source separation, to bring dignity and recognition to a huge wastepickers population and to stop the idea of spending millions of dollars (that our local governments don´t have) in order to build a facility that won´t benefit people or the environment. I think you are wrong when you say it is sophisticated. It is not, it is just a process that may take a bit longer, but that will lead us to a real and long term solution. It is offensive to read that our countries don’t have the capacity to separate trash, because it is just a matter of education and communication, as it has been everywhere else where zero waste practices have succeeded. It is not that complicated and the markets for those materials will develop more once there is a secure flow of materials to work with.
FedericoMarch 20, 2015 5:28 pm
Is important to say that even if there arent in our "developing" countries complex and high technologies systems of recycling THERE ARE WASTE PICKERS! And in some cases our rates of recycling are higers that on developed contexts... just for say than the recycling materials dont result on dumpsites or rivers... for many cities the route has been recognize these informal subsystem an generate improvements on it rather than undermined and replace it for.... waste to energy plants.
Paxus CaltaMarch 20, 2015 1:44 pm
"now the industry, with US government backing, believes that small factory-built reactors will provide a new market." Ahh. no. In fact most of the nuclear industry thinks there is no future at all to SMR. Westinghouse, the largest nuclear construction firm in the US has completely abandoned it's SMR program because it "could not find any customers" (see http://funologist.org/2014/02/06/westinghouse-ditches-small-reactors/). The real problem is that after decades of trying no one has been able to get the cost of SMRs down to the place where they are even a small amount competitive with real renewables, much less natural gas. These are basically socialist spending programs, designed to keep an antiquated industry operating which would die without the government bail out. (See http://funologist.org/2012/12/09/small-is-ugly-the-case-against-small-modular-reactors/)
Mariel VilellaMarch 20, 2015 1:10 pm
thanks for your comment - if you could point out at any errors and let us know the correct figures it'd be very appreciated.
Mariel VilellaMarch 20, 2015 1:08 pm
Thanks for the comments. Just to follow-up on one key point related to the idea that there is a lack of capacity in developing countries to implement systems to do source separation, separate collection and effective recycling. The reality is actually quite the opposite. While municipally-run recycling systems are commonplace in industrialized countries, in the developing world, most recycling is done by wastepickers. Wastepickers are self-employed workers, mostly in the informal economy, who retrieve reusable and recyclable items from the waste stream. They collect, sort, clean and in some cases, process the recyclables, returning them to industry as an inexpensive and low- carbon raw material. In doing so, wastepickers relieve the public authority of much of the expense of waste management and lengthen the lifespan of landfills. Recycling provides a livelihood to approximately 15 million people worldwide – 1% of the urban population in the developing world. Wastepickers can be incredibly efficient recyclers. Yet, in spite of their efforts, much municipal waste around the world is not effectively recycled. Wastepickers thus represent a huge opportunity to reduce GHG emissions through increased recycling rates, if given the proper recognition and support. So, reducing, reusing, and recycling municipal waste is not only one of the easiest and most effective means of reducing greenhouse gas emissions. It also provides gainful employment to millions of people in the developing world, mostly in the informal sector (“wastepickers”). The point is that the Green Climate Fund, rather than supporting these efforts, may end up subsidizing incinerators which compete directly with recycling and increase emissions, unemployment, and public costs. See here relevant case studies about cooperatives of waste pickers in India (Mumbai and Pune), and Argentina: http://no-burn.org/-1-18 See here our publication of the contribution of waste pickers to climate change mitigation: http://www.no-burn.org/downloads/Respect%20for%20Recyclers%20(English)_1.pdf See here this news portal of the Global Alliance of Waste PIckers: http://globalrec.org/
Robin_GuenierMarch 20, 2015 12:49 pm
"Chinese CO2 emissions dropped 1 percent in 2014 even as their economy grew by 7.4 percent." Warren: please provide an authority for this interesting claim. (Hint: it wasn't, as you imply, the IEA's Fatih Birol in his interview with the FT.) You'll find a considerably more cautious analysis here: http://energyandcarbon.com/chinas-carbon-emissions-fall-2014/ It seems any drop in emissions (unlikely anyway) would have been only in electricity generation (the energy sector) and not, for example, in building (cement) and transportation. These two account for considerably more emissions than does electricity generation.
Robin_GuenierMarch 20, 2015 11:01 am
There are at least three reasons for being cautious about this story: 1. As I noted above, there's no sign of any stalling in atmospheric CO2 as monitored at the Mauna Loa Observatory. But, if human CO2 emissions are indeed stalling and the Mona Loa data (C02 concentrations) are unaffected, that would seem to imply that human CO2 emissions do not have a direct impact on CO2 concentrations. And that would be most significant. 2. In any case, how does the IEA know that emissions are stalling? The UK for example has only just published its finalised emissions statistics for 2013: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/final-uk-emissions-estimates Moreover the authoritative Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center has only published provisional data to 2012: http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/meth_reg.html 3. In September 2014, the Guardian reported that emissions were heading for a record, being 2.5% up on 2013 - as confirmed by a peer-reviewed paper in Nature: http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v7/n10/full/ngeo2248.html The IEA has said that these data are "indications". Before getting too excited Warren, I suggest it would be wise to wait until the official statistics for 2014 are actually published. The IEA, for example, says it will "publish its findings in detail in a June 15 report".
Shibu K NairMarch 20, 2015 8:00 am
In Indian subcontinent more than 60% of waste is organic which contains about 80% water. This is the main issue why Waste to Energy projects failed miserably in India and compelled them to maintain the status to 'Trial Run' for years. In a country where no Material use policy and Extended Producer responsibility to handle potentially toxic waste, how can we assume that it will be safe to burn them all in a waste to energy facility? Please do not under estimate our Capacity. India have one of the largest network of informal sector who ensures the closed loop resource flow through recycling. (If you consider their contribution per year in terms of energy saved, forests saved.. they would be the biggest environment conservation organization in the world who does it without a single penny support from the Government!) Definitely we need a combination of technologies and processes for addressing the waste issue. For organics, our climate, economy and culture is tuned for composting and bio methanation and we are the expert in both. We have the capacity to recover 100% metals, paper, cardboard, glass. We have capacity to recover 50% of electronic waste and plastics. What would you suggest as a 'SAFE' technology for handling hazardous electronic waste and plastics? Burning?? NOWAY. Rather we will compromise for landfilling. For this developed world too have no solutions, we know it. So the crisis in the Global South is not Technical, but political and social. We are trying to solve it through mobilizing the waste pickers and getting them into the main stream, promoting composting, biogas and organic farming, supporting alternate products that can reduce use of plastics, Motivating people to reduce the use of disposable products. The only barrier in the process we see is the Techno Vendors from the up NORTH who, with the support of Global funding organizations trying to snatch the livelihood of people engaged in the recycling sector. They bribe our politicians so that a waste crisis can mount up. So we dont want But we are confident to tide over the present waste crisis permanently with the support of people across the globe who believes in ethical, efficient and economical resource use, Because it is not the machines gonna bring change, but PEOPLE.
NimaMarch 20, 2015 7:52 am
I don't think that's true, I think that there's enough significant things said here that if followed through by decision makers, be it oil or government, can see a significant shift in how we use and generate power and thus tackle climate change. Bottom line Shell and fossil fuel companies - divert your attention and investment to renewables. The results will come faster that way.
Dillip PatnaikMarch 20, 2015 5:02 am
First of all the Indian railway trains are very heavy, that consumes a lot of energy. You need lighter structure using aluminum and industrial plastics. Solar panels can be put on the roof of each bogie with miniature wind mills like regular table fans. This will create a lot of energy for individual train. Another Solar-Hydrogen can play big role for the railway, automobiles, hospitals, residential, and office buildings.
Dharmesh ShahMarch 20, 2015 3:48 am
Hi There.. I don't think the author is making a case against the cold WTE techs like Anaerobic Digestion (only for organics) which is a growing sector in countries like India and China.. India has seen a lot of innovations in that field in the last decade.. the problem is with hot or thermal WTE techs that claim to burn what we call technical waste (inorganic).. its the worst proposition to our waste woes... as long as the waste remains in sight we will try to do something about it, perhaps bring better legislation that tries to eliminate problematic waste streams like we have seen in the state of Himachal Pradesh where a successful ban on plastic bags and now on plastic food packaging has proved very rewarding.. And its not that India has not tried incineration, its just that it has not worked but it is still not lost its appeal and governments are willing to put millions into projects instead of building better collection infrastructure.. it somehow feels like the magic bullet and is being sold as such by companies..
OTTspotterMarch 19, 2015 11:16 pm
Gasps are in order here. What a revelatory insight into a disturbed mind!
Ferran RosaMarch 19, 2015 8:51 pm
I couldn't have put it in better words. A quite recent example comes from Estonia, where after building some incinerators and MBT plants, they've seen how its municipal waste was recycled and composted at 31,7% in 2012 to 17,2% in 2013, while incinerating grew from 12,5% in 2012 to 55,6% in 2013... (source: Eurostat 2015). I think figures talk for themselves... Incineration is a very very bad option: it's expensive, inefficient and it locks into bad management for decades.
kingkevin3March 19, 2015 7:52 pm
John Ashton doesn't understand the difference between an element in the periodic table and a molecule. He keeps on referring to carbon neutral. Bombastic, long winded and scientifically imprecise. How can anyone take this guy seriously?
James GreysonMarch 19, 2015 6:54 pm
Nonsense. Mixed-waste-to-energy is unsustainable and much more technically complex than source separation, repair, composting, recycling and AD. Let's not pretend to be caring for poor countries when you're just selling obsolete tech.
igsyMarch 19, 2015 5:56 pm
While reading this - well, trying to read it - the chapel scene from Monty Python's meaning of life sermon came to mind. As an obscure website describes it: "The chapel scene involves an extremely hyperbolic view of modern worship services. The sermon is dreadfully boring and without any real message, and both the prayer and hymn are extended devaluations of human worth". Dreadfully boring, hyperbolic, without any real message. Yup.
Rog TallblokeMarch 19, 2015 4:44 pm
"Germany has embarked on an irreversible restructuring of an electricity system that will be powered largely by renewables." We'll see. The prognosis isn't good. Czech has had enough of being used as Berlin's zener diode.
gasworkMarch 19, 2015 3:56 pm
€2.5 trillion worth of trees is needed, power stations from small home owners in PCH boilers, roof top solar, any spare electric could convert sea water into hydrogen for night time generation, it makes you think is Saudi pumping oil a fast as it can is because the last 100 years before its banded, as when we came out of the steam age wasn't because we ran out of steam and I don't think we will run out of oil any time soon.
James GreysonMarch 19, 2015 10:47 am
Good article. Dozy governments think their job is to dispose of waste not to prevent it, so waste burning businesses get away with converting mixed solid waste into larger and more dangerous amounts of atmospheric wastes. Their production of energy is a tiny fraction of energy needed to replace the destroyed resources. The exception would be clean source separated cellulosic wastes (wood, cotton, paper etc), which can be used to make both energy and biochar in a carbon-negative cycle. And AD of source-separated biomass. PS, the figure for CO2/MWh should be corrected to 5.5 thousand lbs!
OjeMarch 19, 2015 9:35 am
Wonderful writing by Mr Ashton. I particularly enjoyed the biblical references. The sweep of it however leaves me scratching my head and thinking 'realism and practicality'. We can talk till we're blue in th face of Babylon and Ashtoreth but who's supplying the power that we need today to power the wealth that nobody seems to be willing to live without. Mr Ashton can continue to fly around the world in gas guzzling aircraft to give speeches about the end of oil but the realism and practicality that fossil oil companies bring to the climate debate cannot be ignored. In playing their part, I agree with Mr Van Beurden, they must be more assertive and less aloof.
Science OfficerMarch 19, 2015 3:15 am
Remember when charity was a gift to those in need? Now it's an extortion payment.
orko138March 19, 2015 12:20 am
I dont agree with the author on this. Waste is a much more pervasive issue in developing countries than in the developed world where we are lucky enough to have the means to effectively separate different forms of waste and re-use and recycle where appropriate. Generally, developing countries don't have the resources to implement such sophisticated waste management practices, and as a result most waste is dumped in large dedicated tips (if they are lucky), or it goes into rivers, streams or other places. This includes a lot of food waste that breaks down and produces a whopping amount of methane N20 and other nasties. Emissions from waste are a significantly bigger problem in these countries than it is in the developed world. The issue for the Green Climate Fund is how to tackle this issue in developing countries that don't have the capacity to separate trash and reuse-recycle. It is completely fine or them to canvass Waste to Energy as a solution to two problems. But of course, there is never going to be a one solution fits all approach to waste, or energy. But writing off Waste to Energy as being all bad, is misguided, uninformed, and poorly considered. Several shires in the UK are implementing food-waste to energy plants, as are several states in the US. The author wants to paint the technology with the 'its-all-bad' brush, but clearly hasnt considered the different types of technology avaialable, designed to address different waste streams. Complex problems such as waste management in poor countries requires a range of solutions. It is foolish to write off a potential solution without first considering the feasibility, capacity and adequacy of the technology (or its alternatives) to drive the required outcomes.
UnionLeagueMarch 18, 2015 11:43 pm
Go with anaerobic digesters instead. Take a look at the Newton Creek plant in NYC for example. There are similar successful plants in many different parts of the country.
CGMarch 18, 2015 10:37 pm
Interesting statistics, but they are neither current nor accurate.
FRANKOKMarch 18, 2015 8:15 pm
"Alter NRG" has Westinghouse plasma method for gasification that trumps incinerators. Have waste-to-energy plants operating.
Science OfficerMarch 18, 2015 6:17 pm
What to do with all the kickbacks and extortion fees, it's so challenging......
Paul HorsmanMarch 18, 2015 6:12 pm
One of the best pieces I have read in a long time. The oil industry recognised climate as an existential threat to their own existence even before the 1992 Earth Summit. It's not like an oil spill, belching toxic smoke from chimneys, exploding refineries that are a consequence of their business; climate change goes to the heart - it is the product that is the problem. This is why they have funded the denialist industry sowing seeds of doubt. Shell continues to push its business model that is an existential threat to us all. And this brilliant piece of writing has within it the way out - but I suspect, as it has been over the decades, the oil industry is blind to the writing on the wall. Change is long over-due. Their business model is outdated and frying the planet - change or fade away.
WarrenMarch 18, 2015 5:37 pm
The International Energy Agency reported that this marks “the first time in 40 years in which there was a halt or reduction in emissions of the greenhouse gas that was not tied to an economic downturn.” And " “In the past five years, OECD countries’ economies grew nearly 7 percent while their emissions fell 4 percent," And "Chinese CO2 emissions dropped 1 percent in 2014 even as their economy grew by 7.4 percent." Due to a 2.9% reduction in coal use, and a $89.5 Billion Chinese investment in renewables, one -third of the global total. "Intentions" in both OECD countries and in China seem to be getting some traction.
agsbMarch 18, 2015 4:42 pm
Is snowfall a new sign of global warming. I live where it rarely snows and where it can get hot,, so we should be getting WHITEOUT conditions.
Erik LarsenMarch 18, 2015 4:37 pm
Very intersting, I hope they will manage. :)
Randy RobertsonMarch 18, 2015 2:46 pm
And now you see what all this climate change is about. Give me money! There were cyclones like these before "global warming" and there will be after this. But now every cyclone will be attributed to "global warming" and someone else will have to pay. Feel sorry for them but this just shows what the agenda is. Are they going to pay when a hurricane hits the US?
YubamanMarch 18, 2015 1:51 pm
There is a new theory, as to why California Drought is lasting as long that it has. First both N.O.A.A. & N.A.S.A. have said that it is not human caused. But the new theory disagrees with them. The new theory is that the Upper Atmos. is to clean. You need Particles in the Atmos. to get rain/snow. Last yr. A Sacramento CA. Utility Comp. Hired a cloud seeding company. Guess what, it rained & snowed. After they stop so did the precip. So if you add Particles to the Atmos., you get Precip. So, if their are not the particles, the Atmos. has to be CLEAN, thus no PRECIP.
FMNMarch 18, 2015 1:44 pm
I just goes to show, that after Europe decimated its primordial forest and wildlife since 1800s industrial revolution, with now alarming average 20% forest cover, next it turns to other region's forests for continuous devastation.
TrevorJLMarch 18, 2015 1:18 pm
Great response.
Robin_GuenierMarch 18, 2015 9:36 am
"Tropical storms have hit Pacific islands for time immemorial. But what Sano and other climate change campaigners fear is that they are becoming more frequent." The evidence indicates such fears are unfounded: http://blog.metservice.com/wp-content/uploads/files/2013/10/Cyclonegraph.jpg
bcmuggerMarch 18, 2015 8:41 am
Obama is a shill for everything.
Kevin McGrathMarch 18, 2015 1:18 am
Why do you guys bother to have this comment's site? Management in chaos?
Arthur DoucetteMarch 18, 2015 1:06 am
The article says: Wind power could supply 35% of US energy demand by 2050, up from 4.5% in 2015 - NO It might be able to supply 35% of our ELECTRICITY demand, but that's but 40% of our ENERGY use. Or maybe (at best) 14% of our energy. BIG difference.
RHO1953March 17, 2015 11:28 pm
Evens it out because he is a shill for Big Green, which is NOT on the side of the consumer. How they manage to sell themselves as being on our side while costing us our jobs and making everything more expensive while simultaneously stealing our freedom is ludicrous.
hunt458March 17, 2015 10:54 pm
Conservatives will cut their own salaries, watch people with no healthcare insurance die of cancer, and they poison their own air and water just to be in the conservative gang. You think drug gang initiations are tough?
RobertMarch 17, 2015 10:47 pm
which begs the question, Mr. President, "Who are you a schill for?"
Nick NaylorMarch 17, 2015 10:32 pm
Good point. Another perspective is that CO2 emissions targets that we are unwilling to commit to would only promise a 50% chance of staying below 2 degrees C. These are the targets that Koch, Peabody, Exxon and Shell are painting as "too ambitious". That's like saying that fueling an airplane with enough fuel to reach the destination 50% of the time is "too conservative." It's sheer stupidity.
Nick NaylorMarch 17, 2015 10:18 pm
If only we could get Exxon, Peabody and Koch in front of Congress and subject them to this kind of well-deserved shaming. Instead we get Inhofe throwing snowballs.
Dennis GMarch 17, 2015 10:00 pm
Obama, Boxer & Feinsten had no problems schilling for Solyndra.... Who used much of the DOE loan package to pay exec salaries & make big contributions back to the same schills!!
MAMarch 17, 2015 9:58 pm
As opposed to shills for the anti-capitalist, anti business lobby, I mean lobbyist for "environmental groups"
WarrenMarch 17, 2015 9:26 pm
The comments on this forum are impressive. Usually there are multiple snarky comments on these forums from 'no-nothing' Deniers, who seem unable to accept the Science. Kudos to the moderator, and to the commenters.
Geert F de VriesMarch 17, 2015 8:47 pm
1. Alarmists should wait for confirmation of EIA figures before getting excited 2. If EIA correct then CO2 are lagging surface temperature by 17 years. 3. Realists need not bother, CO2 does not do it, this news item is irrelevant, climate is determined by a variety of mechanisms of cosmic, solar, planetary and earth origins. 4. Meanwhile reducing fossils is fine (not because of CO2 but) because reduction of air pollution and solid wastes is desirable, burning good chemical feedstock is dumb, and multi-century-old technologies should be up for renewal. 5. Wind and solar don't cut it, good for off-grid and small local grid feeding non-essential consumers, but is poison on utility systems. 6. That leaves nuclear fission for now and fusion in future.
Science OfficerMarch 17, 2015 8:45 pm
I have an even better idea. Let's all just stop buying gasoline and using electricity until the global warming crisis is past. Why should we promote with our purchases, any support for the fossil fuel industry?
Tom RadeckiMarch 17, 2015 8:10 pm
Brende is extremely irresponsible. Norway is immensely wealthy and is one of the least threatened countries by global warming. Natural gas is a highly polluting source of global warming gases. It only looks good compared to coal and tar sands. Natural gas is not needed and will lead to much more death later this century and the next. It's time Norway start leaving its fossil fuels in the ground. And I do mean right now, not ten or 20 years from now. We all need to go carbon zero now and not by buying phony credits from the bogus EU Emissions Trading System. If it means some sacrifice and changes in lifestyle, so be it. At least we are not in Vanuatu.
Robin_GuenierMarch 17, 2015 8:01 pm
An ineffective agreement would certainly be most unfortunate. But negotiations cannot have been helped if an attempt to link cyclone Pam to "increasing climate impacts" was typical of claims being made. Here's the history of recent South Pacific cyclones: http://blog.metservice.com/wp-content/uploads/files/2013/10/Cyclonegraph.jpg The trend is clear - fewer and less intense cyclones.
Tom RadeckiMarch 17, 2015 7:57 pm
We in Europe have huge carbon footprints at a time when our footprints can and should be near zero. It's time to ban the importation of beef, leather, dairy, wool, and mutton as well as their cultivation in Europe itself. These all have extreme carbon footprints. If you have to eat meat, eat chicken and sea food. Humans are the only animals using the milk of other mammals. It's not at all necessary. Of course, sea food is rapidly going extinct. Beans, nuts, and lentils are much better sources of protein, except for seafood whose carbon footprint is too high, but at least much better than beef or mutton. Global warming is much worse than the IPCC admits or even many leading climate scientists admit. Spain, Italy, Turkey, the Balkans, and most of France will be desert later this century. If we don't take action now, it will get even worse. The same is true for most of the U.S., Mexico, Venezuela, Australia, and many other areas. Death is charging at us. We need to take action now. And palm oil is very unhealthy.
Tom RadeckiMarch 17, 2015 7:25 pm
If carbon emissions didn't increase at all last year, why have the CO2 measurements at Mt. Mauna Loa in Hawaii climbed this February by the 6th largest amount in a single year ever? I don't trust the world governments to be honest.
MAMarch 17, 2015 7:13 pm
87% of disasters linked to climate change? Total BS and down right lying. All these things have been happening since time began now all of a sudden they are linked to climate change? More simply they are climate period, just like thunderstorms, rain showers, snow falls, blizzards and all the rest.
WarrenMarch 17, 2015 3:09 pm
You're on the fence? Scientists are not on the fence. All the world's institutions of science -- the National Science Academies and Scientific Professional Associations -- plus all major universities, NASA and NOAA, conclude AGW. NO exceptions.
James EldridgeMarch 17, 2015 2:54 pm
some models predict the same thing in the northern hemisphere - and a glacier forms over northern Quebec that forces the Gulf Stream to turn far south of Iceland - and snap, we are in a new ice age
Steve BarbershoresMarch 17, 2015 1:40 pm
Hi Mr. Guenier, I would like to respond to the copied point you have made in your post: " If human CO2 emissions are indeed stalling and the Mona Loa data (C02 concentrations) are unaffected, that would seem to imply that human CO2 emissions do not have a direct impact on CO2 concentrations -" ---------------------------- What the article is saying is that for the first time since the industrial revolution, the rate that we generate carbon dioxide is not growing over last year's generation. We are still generating a Hell of a lot of carbon. The level in the atmosphere is still going to rise by about the same amount as last year.. The significance stated in the article is still not much in real terms. To a liberal, this would be a milestone in that they were able to make some sort of change. In reality, it is insignificant because it does not indicate a change in the world we live in. In order to stop global warming, if it is indeed occurring and is indeed caused by man's combustion of fossil fuels, we must reduce our generation by something over 99.9%. A decrease in generation of say 10% wouldn't be of any particular significance. All that has happened, at least according to the article, is that we haven't increased our generation of last year over the previous year. Not of any particular significance relative to the potential problem at all in my book. Just my take. Best of luck, Barbershores
AndyinHawickMarch 17, 2015 1:35 pm
Yes, some very defensive bluster from Shell. They know their days are numbered and they want to delay the evil day ... at whatever cost to the rest of us. They want more money to build CCS despite knowing that renewables give a quicker and longer reduction in GHGs.
Steve BarbershoresMarch 17, 2015 1:31 pm
Title: How significant is news that CO2 energy emissions stalled in 2014? --------------------------- Answer: Not very significant at all. From the article: "We’re making more stuff, doing more things, without emitting more CO2. This is exactly what needs to happen if climate change is to be tackled – if carbon emissions are to come down at anything like the rate that climate science concludes is prudent. ------------------------------------------------- The carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere is going to increase at about the same rate. We haven't reduced the rate that we are pumping carbon into the atmosphere by an amount that would even be measurable. Until we reduce our release of carbon dioxide down to the levels before the year 1800, the start of the industrial revolution, the concentration will continue to rise in the atmosphere and whatever malaise global warming will cause will still be coming. In order to get down to pre industrial age carbon dioxide release, we must globally reduce our generation of carbon by something over 99.9%. This is the single most significant fact regarding global warming. And nobody is even talking about it. Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger Best of luck, Barbershores
Science OfficerMarch 17, 2015 1:23 pm
Using Common But Differentiated Responsibility in an historical context. The USA built the Panama Canal. How many CO2 credits can we take for a century of ship travel that didn't have to travel around the South American continent? A trilion tons? We should be good with our obligations till the 23rd century at least.
AndyinHawickMarch 17, 2015 1:20 pm
Well said, Mr Ashton This is a well-argued, thorough analysis of the issues and I sincerely hope that Mr van Beuren, Shell and indeed all of the oil and gas companies take time to hear what you say. You have steered a very careful course between acknowledging the good and challenging for the better.
AmbaniMarch 17, 2015 12:07 pm
Indeed misguided logic, let alone having no scientific backing! First (which negates everything else the MEP says), the EU is suggesting CUTS in CO2 emissions and not elimination of CO2 in the atmosphere (which is not even possible unless all living organisms - which emit CO2 through respiration - die!)
NimaMarch 17, 2015 6:25 am
Here's the speech given by Shell's CEO - http://www.shell.com/global/aboutshell/media/speeches-and-articles/2015/less-aloof-more-assertive.html?cid=social22967754&adbid=565992909678211074&adbpl=tw&adbpr=20663500
majaMarch 17, 2015 3:13 am
This is due to HAARP-ing, in order to warm Syberia, to be able to conquer it finally...that's the only reason. All that cold they take away from Arctic has to go somewhere, and it goes to Antarctic..
Al HopferMarch 16, 2015 10:22 pm
The United Nations has embarked on a very dangerous endeavor to eradicate investments in to the current systems that provide life for every person on this planet. Replacing Capitalism with some form of internationally unknowns to rule our very existence using a changing climate as their drum beat. IPCC scientists have monitored the earth's weather for a period they could declare as "human caused climate change" to create the diversion necessary to perform their agenda upon all of us. A take-over with world-wide proportions.
GuyBBMarch 16, 2015 8:47 pm
Why, yes! Climate disaster are more frequent than any other sort. Thankfully! After all, comets, asteroids and volcanoes can be far more devastating. However, they still have not even established a trend upward in either frequency or severity. So, what we have here? Is anecdotal evidence, and trying to make singular points of data somehow significant.
GuyBBMarch 16, 2015 8:45 pm
Hugely ironic, that you would claim that strong tropical cyclones are new or even different. Since there is no sign of any trends whatsoever in frequency nor severity of tropical cyclones. So, any claims of attribution, let alone to you your pet theory of climate change? Is shear wishful thinking, propaganda, or unicorn tears.
Heard_It_All_BeforeMarch 16, 2015 8:12 pm
John Ashton used about 4,000 words more than needed to say this. He likely lost the interests of most of the readers after the second paragraph. This ain't Shakespeare, so keep it simple. Mr van Beurden either needs to put up or shut. I see Mr van Beurden's comments to be nothing more than a ploy to make Shell seem less culpable for future events concerning the climate. If Mr van Beurden is serious in his comments then he should put up. If he is not serious then he should shut up and quit acting like he is serious. Put up, or shut up. That is all that needs to be said. Mr van Beurden Mr van Beurden
NickMarch 16, 2015 7:28 pm
"Also, just stabilising emissions isn’t anywhere near enough to meet the 2 Celsius target..." We need to make that a maximum allowable, rather than a "target". With "targets", you can easily overshoot. We should be doing everything we can to not go over 1.5 - 1.8 degrees. If the "tipping point" is indeed 2 degrees (as a significant number of scientists tell us), we don't need to be anywhere near that - even if those scientists have only a 10 percent change of being correct.
seanMarch 16, 2015 6:34 pm
There are many forms of emissions. Atmospheric co2 is increasing while othe forms of emissions are stalling.
Climate HomeMarch 16, 2015 6:09 pm
Hi Billhook The IEA just focus on energy - their estimates don't include other variables like forests/cement etc ed
zip98053March 16, 2015 5:31 pm
Nice to know that people behaving responsibly can make a difference.
Wolves Fan.March 16, 2015 5:07 pm
Who was it that fiddled while Rome burned?
SlindseyMarch 16, 2015 4:11 pm
This will be the next excuse for the "Pause".
GoergeMarch 16, 2015 3:33 pm
Wow.
Robin_GuenierMarch 16, 2015 3:15 pm
It's necessary to be cautious about this story. First there's no sign of any stalling in atmospheric CO2 as monitored at the Mauna Loa Observatory: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ If human CO2 emissions are indeed stalling and the Mona Loa data (C02 concentrations) are unaffected, that would seem to imply that human CO2 emissions do not have a direct impact on CO2 concentrations - that would be most significant. But, in any case, how does the IEA know that emissions are stalling? The UK for example only published its finalised emissions statistics for 2013 last month: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/final-uk-emissions-estimates. And the authoritative Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center has only published provisional data to 2012: http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/meth_reg.html Moreover in September 2014 the Guardian reported that emissions were heading for a record, being 2.5% up on 2013 - as confirmed by a peer-reviewed paper in Nature: http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v7/n10/full/ngeo2248.html Before getting too excited I suggest it would be wise to wait until the official statistics for 2014 are actually published.
AliMarch 16, 2015 9:19 am
And yet atmospheric CO2 continues to rise. Can anybody explain this? http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/global.html
Dave McCormickMarch 16, 2015 4:11 am
Is this a serious story? Seriously? Where did this character get his education? Following his logic, would an increase in solar cell use result in less sunlight for everyone because the solar cells are using it all up? Or would more wind towers use up the wind?
WarrenMarch 15, 2015 11:11 pm
Fort Collin's committment is excellent --but realistically, without a national commitment from the US, it's less than a drop in the bucket. And even a national US commitment is small (US is only 17% of global GHG emissions), and negligible without the world going along, especially China. (~30% of emissions)
WarrenMarch 15, 2015 11:08 pm
Of course, its the integrated cost fort a season. Did you see if Deutsche Bank included this aspect in its study?
WarrenMarch 15, 2015 11:07 pm
Where in Western NY? I grew up between Buffalo and Rochester, and I can agree with what you posted about WNY. However, its not just the Southwest that has better sunlight than NY--its also the West, and to some degree the Midwest and South --all better than NY, and candidates for a rapidly improving solar technology.
vincentMarch 15, 2015 7:15 am
China should use it's land reclamation capabilities in helping these south pacific islands instead of reclaiming uninhabited islands in the south chia sea.
WarrenMarch 15, 2015 3:53 am
I'm not aware that crop yields are up because atmospheric CO2 is up. I thought it's due to modern ag technology!
WarrenMarch 15, 2015 3:51 am
Me too. The key is public opinion. Recent poles show its shifting, towards action to limit GHG emissions.
WarrenMarch 15, 2015 3:49 am
Regardless of whether its legally binding, significant results require legislation -- a carbon tax or cap and trade. Command and control directives, such as the US Clean Power Plan, can have only limited effects.
WarrenMarch 15, 2015 3:47 am
The Senate (not the House) has to ratify any Treaty. Informal non-binding agreements don't have to be ratified.
WarrenMarch 15, 2015 3:45 am
Not true. Regulatory agencies can regulate with authority given to them by legislation. In the case of the EPA regulating CO2 emissions, the empowering law is the US Clean Air Act. You want them to stop? Ask Congress to rescind the Clean Air Act. Which will never happen. Republicans don't have the votes necessary to override a veto by POTUS.
peter_peterclarkeMarch 14, 2015 7:20 pm
where do they get these people from? More importantly which idiots voted for them.
GuyBBMarch 13, 2015 11:37 pm
So, they can't report on the news, even as it is a disaster in progress, without the obligatory propaganda plug? "There are some indications climate change is increasing the peak intensity of tropical cyclones..."? Really? No, no there's no sign of an increase in intensity nor frequency in cyclones. The data is so random, that there is no trend.
M. WrightMarch 13, 2015 9:37 pm
We need to set up wind farms to chop birds and bats, solar farms to cook all the rest of the birds, and buy electric cars so people can go 30 miles between charges. We need to heat our houses with wood so all the trees are gone by next Tuesday, and start making ethanol fuel so we can use up all that cow corn. . Nah. Let's stay with coal.
tr643March 13, 2015 9:16 pm
You mean some of them still travel by air? I would have hoped researchers in climate related fields stopped that and car travel long ago. I know that at Bangor (Physical Oceanography) anyone travelling by car is greatly disapproved of for climate reasons and I was long ago told that the climate people at UEA cycle instead of driving.
GuyBBMarch 13, 2015 7:49 pm
Typical liberal. It doesn't matter how much it costs, as long as we get to use other people's money!
Robin_GuenierMarch 13, 2015 6:12 pm
"Senior officials at the UN’s climate body have welcomed news that emissions of carbon dioxide stalled in 2014 ... " But did they? Not according to the Earth System Research Laboratory at Mauna Loa that monitors CO2 emissions: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ BTW Beijing hasn't "promised to peak emissions by 2030". It said it "intends" to do so - very different.
Nick NakornMarch 13, 2015 2:19 pm
The fact that Mr. Agnew can be so ignorant of the basic relationships between emissions and concentrations just goes to show that any level of scientific literacy is probably too much to ask from our politicians; indeed, understanding science might well be a block to success in politics, if not just in UKIP, if our general lack of evidence-based policies are to be a barometer.
Han DeeMarch 13, 2015 12:57 pm
Unlike the science-fiction story of man-made global warming, legitimate science recognizes the serious limitations of the scientific method.
BillhookMarch 13, 2015 12:29 pm
Ed - please can you clarify whether the figure of 32.3GtCO2 is just from fossil fuel use ? And how is the overall sum affected by the increased deforestation in 2014 ? And what is the overall figure in CO2_e including other GHGs ? This info would help to put the headline figure in perspective. Regards, Billhook
BunnyMarch 13, 2015 12:21 pm
What utter nonsense! When laymen try to interfere with science, this is the kind of result. Before the industrial revolution, the CO2 levels were, for over 10,000 years, at 280 ppm ±15 ppm. Crops grew then, albeit with lower yields through lack of knowledge and technology. Currently CO2 levels are at about 400 ppm. If we stopped all fossil fuel exploitation today (utopian), we would have to take into account that the 'half-life' of CO2 is about 300 years. This would mean that about half the difference between 400 and 280 would occur in ~300 years. That means we shall still have about 340 ppm in 2315, which is still 60 ppm above natural levels. Also, there is a question of the influence of temperature on crop yields. Each type of crop has an optimal range of latitude for maximum yield. As the temperature rises, the yield will drop and that crop will have to move farther from the equator, where land may be less suitable or available. It is therefore undesirable to have the temperature rise, so the reduction of CO2 emissions is imperative, for risk of famines, not to mention increased desertification of arable land.
ConqueringlionMarch 13, 2015 11:10 am
So in 2014 emissions remained at the record breaking levels of 2013?
Dave KingsburyMarch 12, 2015 10:53 pm
Thing is, fundamentalists whether religious or political don't believe in rationality or science. This would be laughable if it wasn't dangerous
Dennis GMarch 12, 2015 10:50 pm
Red Cross statistics do NOT show any increase in weather related disasters!
NickMarch 12, 2015 10:37 pm
Bravo, Pope Francis! As Christians, we must show concern for the earth's residents, and future residents. There's little doubt that we are shooting ourselves in the foot with the gaseous effluent we shoot into the air. It's not just carbon dioxide, but carbon particulate, unburned hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, sulfur and nitrogen oxides and other undesirable chemical species. Let's give our kids a cleaner future. We've made mistakes, and we now have the opportunity to remedy, as least in part.
jonathan thomasMarch 12, 2015 9:51 pm
Moving industry to India, then shipping the products back. Classic! Good job, environmentalists.
JasonMarch 12, 2015 8:46 pm
I've been reading the Sao Paolo draught reports for months and have noted this problem progress from inconvenient to critical. Brazil is in big trouble. Your government should have legislated more stringent measures years ago when the trend to drought in the climate change continuum intensified. What will happen shortly is that your water systems will be suddenly exhausted - your water table will run to zero ( 0 ). No ground water, no waste water, no water for electricity, no water for agriculture. As with China, remaining ground water will be contaminated and diseases like cholera will rapidly burn thru your population. You need to start thinking where 20 million people will go when the last drop disappears - that is, where else in Brazil or South America. You will not be able to sell your houses, you will only take what you can load into vehicles, your economy and currency will collapse. You should plan for a spontaneous mass migration, preferably into the wetter regions of your own country. USA and Canada will close their borders to your refugees - there is not enough housing, infrastructure, money or natural resources to absorb Brazilian and other refugees pouring out of the vast, dry cities. Develop plan and consider your available options. Look at refugees now pouring out of Africa into England - living and sleeping in the frigid streets of London because there are too many for that countrhy now to manage. Globally, our species have surpassed CARRYNG CAPACITY the result is there is nowhere for people to migrate to. You have to find a way to live within your means - in your own countries - which would still be a better alternative to living in the rough during increasingly harsher northern winters. As you can plainly see, developed nations are not that rich - and cannot afford to feed, house, clothe and educate all the rest of the world.
WalterHorstingMarch 12, 2015 7:06 pm
Bow down to your climate overlords http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/02/24/un-ipcc-chief-admits-global-warming-is-religious-issue-it-is-my-religion-and-my-dharma/
barryMarch 12, 2015 6:33 pm
That was before CO2 levels reached 400 ppm. Not a fair comparison.
Boletus EdulisMarch 12, 2015 6:20 pm
If this chap Agnew serious? and people actually voted for him? my goodness, what a prize twerp.
3GSimpletonMarch 12, 2015 3:26 pm
“In the re-insurance business one of the top risks is climate change – that is the assessed risk of those institutions with money on the line.” Correction: “In the re-insurance business one of the best way to jack premiums is climate change – that is the benefit to those institutions with gullible customers.” For example, the chart below shows flood damages against GDP. It has been almost a decade since the last CAT 3 or higher hurricane struck the US. Tornadoes are down too. Climate change is just a good angle from which to juice an insurance swindle. Charge protection money for a perceived but non-existent threat, avoid payouts since they are not really required, pocket the fat spread. And Carney is just enabling and lending legitimacy to the scam. Munich Re will now send him a fruit basket as a thank you.
spec9March 12, 2015 7:26 am
Ugh. UKIP. I guess they are the GOP of of the UK.
floridanativeeMarch 12, 2015 4:10 am
Any legally binding treaty has to be passed by the US Senate and that isn't going to happen,
Dutchman61March 12, 2015 2:25 am
Except the green energy accounts for a trivial percentage of the total. There is vast demand for energy far beyond the ability of solar, wind mills and other forms of green to even begin supplying. lay out the true cost to people and they will never agree. And for that matter, look at every climate conference and you see huge amounts of fossil fuels being used in private jets, limos and everything else. The Al Gores of the world have never cut their own energy use.
jfreed27March 12, 2015 1:52 am
One second spent debating with deniers is one second lost, which is just what they want: dithering, distraction, and delay. Denial/delay equal huge profits to ff corporations. But, in that one second the earth's oceans and atmosphere have increased in extra energy equal to about 10 Hiroshima atomic bombs due to the ability of the extra CO2 to trap heat. Instead, urge your Congressman to support solutions with letters and phone calls. One solution mentioned is the carbon fee and dividend, which would, starting at $10/ton carbon, reduce emissions by 50% in 20 years, and might give us a fighting chance for a livable planet. Citizens RECEIVE the fees (the dividend), the polluters pay them. So, jobs and GDP grow as well.
DudeMarch 12, 2015 12:50 am
The crux of this problem of letting UNELECTED officials of government agencies make rulings/edicts (often at the direction of the Executive branch) that only our Congress and Senate and President can Constitutionally make, lies squarely with our silent Congress and Senate that lets it happen.
pmagnMarch 12, 2015 12:09 am
The most effective, straight forward n cost effective way is to limit the fossil fuel at source. What's the point of spending money an resources extracting it if its not to b burned. Those should be spent on clean energy solutions. Its time to act n stop deluding ourselves.
Engineer66March 11, 2015 11:48 pm
Little by little, the socialists let their agenda slip out...
Carl JensenMarch 11, 2015 11:32 pm
I am on the fence about man-made global warming, due only to my critical and skeptical nature. It makes sense that adding overly much of anything is bad for the environment, but I'm not convinced that we caused a major change in planetary climate, thinking we more aided it. Still bad, but I've been all for alternate energy since the 80s and that commercial of the Indian brave crying at the garbage, and we still aren't showing great progress. Not enough, anyway. McCarthy surprised me. Two of my main issues with the UNCC was the financial accountability and the fact that poor nations were demanding the right to use petrol in the development of their countries. The same petrol that everyone is claiming caused the problem. For a change, I feel my country is duly representing me. If we could next address two more issues, I'd be happy as pie. First, I am not keen on giving money to nations that we are on unfriendly basis with. We are generally unfriendly for a reason and giving them funds is almost a guarantee that the money will be abused. Secondly, we need to address population explosions in poor countries and the strain that puts on funds put towards relocation due to rising waters and loss of fresh water. Plus the immigration of poor and uneducated into countries already under economic stress is not helping matters. Along with real auditors that are allowed access to expenditures, and I'm all for global compromise on global warming. Four simple things that will likely keep all talks stalled forever, unfortunately. Human nature.
Steven CohenMarch 11, 2015 11:07 pm
Yes, public opinions are changing toward realizing that man caused climate change is a growing threat to future generations and that a worldwide climate pact that reduces carbon emissions is needed this December.
Jim ShanksMarch 11, 2015 10:49 pm
Sounds like another International Treaty slipped through without the approval of congress. It just doesn't stop with this bunch.
mesmereyesMarch 11, 2015 10:38 pm
She's right. Any agreement needs to be legally binding otherwise it's a charade.
Provi MinerMarch 11, 2015 9:54 pm
here is the trick, in order to get these up and coming nations clean energy it will cost developed nations a lot of money. For example want to shut down a coal plant in china? well china won't open up their wallet for the conversion no the UN policy is to force fully developed nations to give china the money (most of which will disappear into the magic place called skimming). They will call it low interest loans or some such but the terms are pretty clear no penalty when china doesn't pay it back. And if for some reason there are cost over runs (you can bet they will happen most likely tripling the cost of the conversion) it won't be china that will asked to come up with the difference instead they will go back to the developed nations and demand even more money. I am all for clean energy just as long as it is in the same time zone in cost efficiency which I am sorry to say just isn't there yet.
Nick697March 11, 2015 9:09 pm
The "n" should be "bn," a familiar abbreviation for billion. Most people with an IQ above room temperature would understand that.
fairportfanMarch 11, 2015 8:54 pm
That was a comedy programme, right? I mean, nobody takes this seriously. They do? Oh hell.
RHO1953March 11, 2015 7:36 pm
Wow, this guy is great. I wish we had a politician as honest as him.
NicholBMarch 11, 2015 5:17 pm
Super! I think the important message is that this is not anymore about a negotiation about who can get away with doing the least. It is now a race to be part of the coming transition. The leaders will be the winners. But the big guys need to join the race before it gets really serious. I hope the US is back again.
johnabbeMarch 11, 2015 5:09 pm
Also, investing in mitigating climate change now will actually save money in the long run, since the human economy rests entirely on healthy ecological systems.
johnabbeMarch 11, 2015 5:08 pm
Seems fair, since we've done so much of our development on the backs of African people (literally) and resources.
JakeMarch 11, 2015 1:40 pm
This kind of "per person" accounting ignores the reality that the US has a huge investment in people and infrastructure to refine tough heavy oils. No, we're not going to close down or give away our high technology oil refining industry. Yes, it's likely we're going to import heavy oil, refine it, and export the products to countries who need more energy. No we don't think it's a great idea to "share" this industry with developing nations, because all that will happen is the relocation of these facilities to unstable and politically wilder Arabian Gulf states. *** There is NO opportunity for Robin Hood to create growth in "deserving small economies." *** And we don't want the rest of our economy "taxed" just because these refineries are here.
Douglas FennerMarch 11, 2015 9:39 am
Australia in particular exports huge amounts of coal and natural gas, Canada exports dirty tar sands. Is that why they are dark red?
VinceRMarch 11, 2015 1:06 am
They should start getting their models and predictions right while reducing air miles to all expenses paid conferences.
Marine Core SoldierMarch 10, 2015 9:18 pm
Somehow I knew without looking that this "new method" would put the US at the top of the list. You Dems really should give this up. You have been losing supporters in mass due to this type of foolishness for some time now.
BillhookMarch 10, 2015 8:07 pm
As more countries submit their proposals, it would be very helpful if the tracker could tanslate them onto the common legal baseline of 1990 as the first description, with other unilateral baselines and respective targets shown in parentheses, In this way we have an immediate appreciation of the proposals' significance, Regards, Billhook
James PickettMarch 10, 2015 7:43 pm
Of course they should, if they really believe that CO2 is killing the planet. If they don't, they should perhaps say so...
GuyBBMarch 10, 2015 2:18 am
So, did they also provide their plans to fund their plan? Oh, yeah, the US and Europe get to pay...
kickbasspersonMarch 8, 2015 4:33 pm
GLOBAL mean temperatures! Got it? Your local weather is a tiny part of the global climate and your unusually cool temperatures over a few weeks aren't very significant when one is calculating GLOBAL mean temperatures for a month or a year. This is happening while you are cold: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/special-features/the-proof-australia-is-getting-hotter/story-fnknbqfy-1227235090301
Leslie GrahamMarch 8, 2015 1:01 am
The Arctic just set a new record LOW extent for the time of year this week. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ This ridiculous Daily Mail nonsense myth about the Arctic 'growing' is utterly surreal given that the Arctic ice is disapearing fast. It would take you about 20 seconds flat to check your own absurd claims but you don't - you just keep parroting nonsense. And I just checked your other nonsense claim - and the Berkely data shows continued warming. What a surprise. You either have no idea what you are talking about or are deliberately lying. Which is it?
4thEstateMarch 8, 2015 12:33 am
Wonder if we'll be able to at least respond with compilation of concerned communities like Fort Collins' 20% by 2020 (http://www.rmi.org/elab_fort_collins_transforms_energy_use) here in the US that are committing to meaningful climate policies.
MichMikeMarch 6, 2015 6:32 pm
Here's an update for you: The personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population results in their personal CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the actual average / person. Not too surprising due to their use of private jets, lots of commercial air travel, flying first class, and massive living space / person (multiple homes), and a myriad of other outsized CO2 producing behaviors. As a further update, it is still the case that all the plans being proposed, promoted, and implemented will not only financially hammer the lower income and middle class folks, but will allow this small group to continue to spew CO2 unabated, beyond the 33% of ALL (that's right, ALL) CO2 they are responsible for in the U. S. today. In a caring and concerned way (at least that is what they tell you simple minded folks).
Herbert ShallcrossMarch 6, 2015 5:00 pm
What exactly is Russell Brand's deal? Why is he so abrasive? He acts like a stoner, but I thought weed was supposed to make you mellow. Oh, and by the way, anything both Russell Brand and Joe Biden come out in favor of on the same day must certainly be true! Joe Biden says AGW is as true as the law of gravity. Maybe that's why these two always seem to be floating away.
Alan MacphailMarch 5, 2015 11:56 pm
There is NO pause in global warming. The decade of this pause is the warmest on record.
Dave C.March 5, 2015 11:00 pm
Riiiight ! "wink-wink"
dooberheimMarch 5, 2015 8:27 pm
The problem is not the cost of solar power, but the cost of solar energy (and yes, they're different). For solar to do the same jobs as a coal, gas, nuclear, or hydro plant, it has to be used with energy storage. Instantaneous power from solar, by itself, is pretty much useless (it's always either too much or too little). Energy storage doubles or triples the cost of a solar installation. Both panel prices and batteries need to become much cheaper before solar will be competitive. DK
spec9March 5, 2015 8:02 pm
My self-installed solar PV system has been my best investment in a past few years.
StevoskepticMarch 5, 2015 4:12 pm
Interesting. Here in western New York, we get electricity generation from nuclear, natural gas, coal and a little hydro. I pay approx. $.06/KWH for supply and a little less than $.11/KWH in total. With these rates, the cost of installing solar is prohibitive. Case in point. New York state has a program to offer grant money to school districts to convert to solar. One local district is taking advantage of the program. The amount of the grant is $3.5 million, the savings are $1.0 million over twenty years. Wonderful waste of taxpayer money and a lesson in the efficacy of solar power in western New York. I think the time is coming for solar to be competitive, but it sure is not now except maybe in the desert and semi arid areas.
DFMarch 5, 2015 2:56 am
January is mid-summer in Antarctica.
Tom WarrenMarch 4, 2015 5:07 pm
What is the name of the report?
BillhookMarch 4, 2015 3:30 pm
If the EU is to include natural sinks, as opposed to regrowth of felled forest, as a part of its goal, it follows that all nations can do likewise, and also that all nations are then responsible for natural sources, such as the vast CO2_e output in the form of Albedo Loss in the area of the arctic ocean claimed by Russia, and such as the massive soil carbon emissions from desiccation under the extreme droughts in the USA. Given that forest regrowth only recovers previous emissions, it appears that the EU has yet to competently assess either the validity or the implications of this proposal. regards, Billhook
the globalizerMarch 4, 2015 2:21 am
mbee1: Any political reference is NOT acceptable. The debate should be apolitical, otherwise, the L. Rush Limbaugh crowd rush in (forgive the pun) with all sorts of government-ordered conspiracy theories. Your reference to North Korea is a bit off! The other side could equally claim Nazi censorship which I have experienced from T-Party blogs (while remaining respectful and moderate as always!). Let's keep then debate apolitical and unemotional - each side has lots to learn from the other :-) And that is the path of true democracy .... LOL
the globalizerMarch 4, 2015 1:00 am
Hi mbee1: Could you give me an URL for the data you refer to. All I can find in the Berkeley data is confirmation of a warming trend; different data sets do vary, but the variance appears much smaller than the warming trend. This being said though, I lean towards the notion that the temperature/CO2 correlation is probably lower than that proposed by Hansen et al if the 'hiatus' is included in a full sine-wave cycle. However, as I said in my initial posting, even small effects could be exponentially more devastating to the food supply to the integrity of most major coastal cities, and to world financial & political stability. The last time this happened, around 8,000 years ago, the civilizations that has flourished at that time along the Black Sea, the Mediterranean, the Indian Ocean and off the coast of Japan were all inundated. The relics now lie 50 - 75 ft down and I have witnessed some of these in the Med. The inundation was the direct consequence of the end of the last ice age and effectively set 'civilization' back 6,000 years. The main argument against current GW theories is that the data has been 'rigged' in some way. So that's why we do need to figure out whether the 'corrections' have indeed been validly applied. I tend to disbelieve that 99% of climate change researchers have conspired to alter data. So that's why I need your URL my friend !
JeffMarch 3, 2015 7:17 pm
"They say this trend is a neat match .... " - Oh, neat, golly gee that settles it! Also fairly 'neat' that the population exploded, the aquifer was on the way to being depleted (before the drought) and the crop choices were poor. " .... and so cannot be attributed to natural variability. " - Because variability ios not 'neat'? Or because it doesn't fit the narrative? Under these same conclusions why has California NOT degenerated into a (greater) roiling mess of anarchy? The drought there is seemingly just as severe .....
NickMarch 3, 2015 6:54 pm
nothing wrong with faith; it's ignorance that's the problem; I have FAITH that most scientists (including climate scientists) are competent and honest and diligent
NickMarch 3, 2015 6:51 pm
The global average increase in temperature since the late 1800s is more like about 1.2 degree C. How much combustion engine vehicles and electrical generation occurred over the "100,000" years of human history before A.D. 1800?
Jim_MorrisMarch 3, 2015 6:17 pm
There is a very long list of things "scientists" claim has been caused by global warming. Including both unusual heat and unusual cold, unusual rain and unusual drought, etc. But the claim that this "is likely a factor in the Syrian civil war" takes the cake. It is, without, the most unreasonable and unbelievable claim they have ever made, with the sole exception of someone that claimed global warming was responsible for an unusual number of volcanic eruptions.
the globalizerMarch 3, 2015 5:09 pm
Adam: Your letter has a some truth but you need to update your numbers a bit to get a more accurate idea of the actual capacity of these huge systems. The radius of each propeller is 107.5m and using air density of 1.275 kg/cu m and air velocity averaging 11.25 m/s for a duty cycle of 16 hrs/day for 300 days/year (pretty typical for the North Sea) at 20% efficiency (again, typical for wind turbines), the average output per turbine (after the duty cycle has been applied) will be 3,611 kW, give or take. That’s a wee bit more than 80 electric kettles !! The main difference is that these turbines are MUCH bigger than the land-based ones in Germany, most of which have a radius of 23m. In addition, the wind conditions are much better in Dogger Bank than in Germany. The wind is stronger and more consistent. Keep in mind that the power extracted is proportional to the cube power of wind velocity, so this makes quite a difference to the overall efficiency. Provided they can keep the cost for each turbine to around 16 million (after factoring in the shared cost of the electrical line), then the cost per kW hour should be around 4.5 pence. Using an assumption of a 20 year life for each turbine, the NPV of each turbine should exceed the cost of the turbine provided that maintenance costs are kept in check and management doesn’t get greedy. My concern is that maintenance costs could be astronomical in such a destructive environment (salt water corrosion/bearing replacement possibly every 2 years/ platform instability resulting from salt-concrete interactions ) as well as having a ship there most of the year to service these turbines. However, compared to the ‘invisible’ additional impacts of fossil fuels (environmental/health/climate change), the additional cost and risks associated with wind power are quantifiable. In addition, keep in mind that when the wind velocity gets too high, the propellers need to be vectored into a neutral position otherwise the centrifugal forces could destroy the system. Blade vectoring is an expensive proposition and I do not know whether these systems are being engineered appropriately. My overall conclusion is that IF the engineering has been done well and IF the management is competent, the project could be a success. Otherwise, the tax payer could be lumbered with a white elephant for years to come :-( Only time will tell whether this is better than nuclear - but I wouldn't count on the politicians to make that choice!
FlyovermanMarch 3, 2015 4:43 pm
If the Climate Change proponents ever want to be taken seriously, they need to stop putting out nonsense articles like this one. When I was a kid I was told that if you handled a toad you would get warts. Next week I fully expect to see an article claiming that warts are caused by Climate Change.
TruthHurtsMarch 3, 2015 4:41 pm
I didn't even read the article because the title was ignorant enough in itself...Just stop with the absurd propaganda...not everything has to do with climate change...
NikolaiMarch 3, 2015 4:20 pm
I nicked myself shaving this morning. I suspect that was caused by climate change...
DMNMarch 3, 2015 4:05 pm
Utter nonsesne. Another piece of you know what article and the believers will eat it all up.
GuyBBMarch 3, 2015 3:01 pm
Yeah, right. There has never been a drought in the desert before... It is worse than we expected... It must be due to climate change! Do you ever actually think about the garbage you are expecting us to swallow?
DMNMarch 3, 2015 2:49 pm
Nice experiment to tell us what happens in a lab. Reality though is very different.
courtney goodwynMarch 3, 2015 2:23 pm
Ice ages were cause by climate changes.
Steven CohenMarch 3, 2015 2:25 am
They predicted hurricane Sandy's very unusual turn toward the west into New Jersey and New York using computer modeling. Yes they can predict weather with reasonable accuracy and the long term trends in climate.
Steven CohenMarch 3, 2015 2:21 am
Of course not since the science denies their religious belief that only God can influence climate or daily weather. Eventually as the warming grows more obvious over the coming decades, skeptic opinions will fade away.
GuyBBMarch 2, 2015 11:39 pm
So, then, one must ask, where is that "missing heat"? Clearly, if it were as simple and straightforward as they would have us believe, and if CO2 is the dominant driver of global temperatures, the temperature not only should, but MUST be increasing exponentially, in lockstep with atmospheric CO2 concentration. It is not. Worse, the brief surge in temperatures that occurred late in the 20th century has since slowed, and there remains no sign of temperature rise going exponential. Now, in real science, when your theory's predictions don't match the data, you admit you might be wrong, then spend another decade or two to figure it out. When you are dealing with pseudo-science, driven by political agenda, you crank up the heat on the propaganda campaign. Spending billions to pump out the message 10 times a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, for years.
GuyBBMarch 2, 2015 11:32 pm
Yeah, a change of nearly 100,000 islands, facing the greatest open expanse of ocean in the world, right in the path of tropical cyclones, has never, ever been hit by a typhoon before... You know what? There is no statistically valid trend increasing the frequency or severity of ANY sort of severe weather. The actual distribution is entirely random. So, every time you trumpet that some weather event is caused by climate change? You look like complete idiots.
NickMarch 2, 2015 10:58 pm
depends on what you mean by "right"
MichMikeMarch 2, 2015 10:01 pm
Did you know that the personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the actual average / person. Not so surprising, their use of private jets, lots of commercial air travel (specifically first class, a 5X multiplier), and magnitudes of greater living space / person (across multiple homes), along with a number of other behaviors makes this pretty obvious (you can easily prove it to your self with a couple of hours of simple research using published government data). But as their CO2 footprint is 50 TIMES the average, this small group represents more than 33% of ALL (that's right, ALL) U. S. CO2 emissions. So how come all the plans proposed and promoted to reduce CO2 emissions will allow this group to continue to spew CO2 unabated, actually INCREAING their percentage? And how come all the plans proposed and promoted will financially hammer the lower income and middle class folks so this small group can remain THE PROBLEM? It would seem those promoting these plans do NOT believe in AGW themselves and STRONGLY dislike the lower income and middle class folks. But in a caring and concerned way?
David R.March 2, 2015 7:42 pm
Climate is not weather. Climate is the fundamental underlying physical conditions that create weather. Weather is a short term chaotic variable. It is averages of the long term trends in weather events over decades that indicate climate change. It is the underlying physics of that change that are confirmed by the experimental results in this article. Physics is a science based on fundamental laws that govern the behavior of matter and energy, It consists of mathematical theories that describe real physical phenomena observed in nature, tested and verified in lab experiments. Those laws are applied every day to virtually every engineered product that exists in human culture with very predictable results. While short term weather is not precisely predictable over more than a day or two, the kinds of weather patterns that the world in general will experience as a result of carbon forced global warming over decades are.
tmalthus2010March 2, 2015 7:34 pm
WOW! Scientists grandstand about "proving" that CO2's a greenhouse gas. We've only known that since about 1853. The HONEST QUESTION is how much of a greenhouse gas, and the answer is that compared to water vapor, it's a trivial one, with all the anthropogenic CO2 released in 100,000 years of human history capable of adding no more than .57C to global average temperature.
Jamie ThomsonMarch 2, 2015 6:28 pm
The scientific method, by far, has been the most accurate predictor of the future....in all fields, including climate (meteorologists predicting weather isn't really science).
James McGinnMarch 2, 2015 5:59 pm
What has supposedly been confirmed/observed? We'll never know from this article. Consequently, this article is more evidence that global warming is little more than an intellectual shell game.
BIll TestonMarch 2, 2015 5:54 pm
Why do you care if people believe you or not?
mbee1March 2, 2015 5:49 pm
ed, what he is saying is pretty important, one of your team is censoring news they do not agree with which meets your guidelines. Even a progressive should be concerned at that as that slope is the way to North Korea and Mao little red book.
mbee1March 2, 2015 5:44 pm
If the chances of a 20 year hiatus is one percent than what is the chances of a 40 years hiatus as shown in Hanson et al:GLOBAL SURFACE TEMPERATURE CHANGE, land and ocean temperature index. , way less than 1 percent, or how about the decrease from 1880 to 1912 on that same graph? I suspect the chance calculations are as bogus as any of the claims about the climate doom and gloom.
PhlemmingMarch 2, 2015 5:38 pm
Skeptic implies some logical basis for their position. No, these are Deniers who operate largely on faith.
PhlemmingMarch 2, 2015 5:37 pm
Maybe the truth is that all politicians and self styled leaders are mentally ill to begin with. After all what rational person would ever want such a position..
mbee1March 2, 2015 5:37 pm
If you are correct we are due for an ice age as that is the normal for the last few million years.
mbee1March 2, 2015 5:33 pm
I suggest an experiment to get to the truth. Find a station, there are around 1800 in the Giss data set,the world is warming set, a few in the arctic would be helpful get their average mean temperatures for any month, you can google it. Go to the Berkeley data set which is one of the mirrors of the Giss data, look up that same stations or stations adjusted temperature for that same month, it is on the right. The temperature on the left is supposed to be the actual temperature but it is out to three places and nobody actually measures it to three places so I suspect it is the uncorrected three digit to the right of the decimal F to C conversion. You will notice the right number is higher, do not forget to convert everything to either C or F. . That is not the measured temperature it is the adjusted model produced temperature. You can see what they are doing by goggling and printing out the 2010 revision of the Giss data set. the warming is an illusion. How do you know it is an illusion? They claim the world is warming and at the same time the arctic ice is growing and the snow and ice coverage is higher. Hotter and more ice? Not likely.
We_Hold_These_TruthsMarch 2, 2015 4:58 pm
Yes, but can scientists demonstrate the lowering of intelligence when a politician gets elected to Congress? There is clearly direct evidence that members of Congress are operating at an intelligence level well below any range that can be explained by the fact that they were elected. It is difficult to believe that an individual who performs at a sub-standard level of competence could have been elected, so one would have to conclude that there is a cause-effect phenomena that upon being elected some mental deterioration occurs rendering the elected official to suffer an IQ-level loss. The cumulative effect of this principle over repeated elections would produce the individuals that we have in Congress who progressively get less and less competent. Add to that the inbreeding factor and the consequences are predictable and unfortunate.
john allenMarch 2, 2015 4:58 pm
What good did it di to rebuild where Guiuan was? That has a long sorry history of being run over by Typhoons? that makes about as much sense as re building New Orleans and that made no sense at all
bubsirMarch 2, 2015 4:58 pm
But will any sceptics listen?
Brett77March 2, 2015 4:38 pm
The result confirm theoretical predictions - when have scientists ever been right about theoretical predictions concerning weather?
Robert WMarch 2, 2015 4:28 pm
Another worthless fish tank experiment.
Raymond Michael BorlandMarch 2, 2015 4:25 pm
What a poor report. It does not even state what two pH values were tested in the laboratory, nor whether or not those pH values are in the range of pH values now seen in parts of the ocean where it is claimed there has been acidificiation due to CO2. For all we know they may have pushed the pH values up excessively in order to tease out different effects of light duration. It may not be relevant at all to real conditions in the ocean which is immensely large and can buffer a tremendous amount of CO2.
BarryWoodsMarch 2, 2015 11:59 am
so these ocean cycles were just perhaps a natural cause of at least some of the higher rate of warming in the 80-90's? - that was put down to all AGW at the time, just maybe.. Julia Slingo- Chief scientist of the Met office said as much as RSclimate meeting nearly 2 years ago... “…it’s a great presentation about 15 years being irrelevant, but I think, some of us might say if you look at the Pacific Decadal Oscillation and it’s timescale that it appears to work, it could be 30 years, and therefore I think, you know, we are still not out of the woods yet on this one. … ".... If you do think it’s internal variability, and you say we do think the Pacific Decadal Oscillation is a key component of this, and it’s now in it’s particular phase, but was previously in the opposite phase, could you not therefore explain the accelerated warming of the 80s and 90s as being driven by the other phase of natural variability?” http://downloads.royalsociety.org/events/2013/climatescience-next-steps/marotzke.mp3 (around 44 mins onwards) so a couple of years on, the cooling phase is now thought responsible for the pause - but and when it changes again in the future it will cause more warming.. yet, not quite ready to acknowledge the possibility this happened in the recent past, ie similar phase changes caused a proportion (or most) of the 1900- 930's warming, the 1940-1970 pause/cooling and then 80-90's warming. Visualise this on a MetOffice graphic: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/image/0/h/compare_datasets_new.jpg or perhaps natural cycles only every produce pauses/cooling – never warming?
Climate HomeMarch 1, 2015 9:56 pm
I'm afraid we don't keep copies. But please feel free to re-submit, and one of the team will check. Best wishes, ed
the globalizerMarch 1, 2015 8:27 pm
GoldenBoys: Anyone can cherry-pick data to show an increase in Arctic ice over a short timescale. However, a more accurate (and honest) approach is to look at multiple years. Random variations in climate from year to year (and many of these are only now being identified) certainly contribute to sinusoidal oscillations imposed on a graph that I think even you would admit shows a downward trend. Arctic sea ice extent for January was the third lowest in the satellite record. Through 2015, the linear rate of decline for January extent over the satellite record appears to be 3.2% per decade. Whether this will be maintained longer-term is a matter of conjecture, but from what I can gather sun-spot activity, Milankovitch cycles, ocean recycling are insufficient to explain the current upward trend in worldwide average temperature and concomitant reduction in Arctic ice.
the globalizerMarch 1, 2015 8:18 pm
md: It all depends on how that 'opinion' is expressed. I gather that logic and reasoned argument are well received, whereas name-calling is not.
the globalizerMarch 1, 2015 8:13 pm
Arctic sea ice extent for January was the third lowest in the satellite record. Since 1979, through 2015, the linear rate of decline for January extent over the satellite record is 3.2% per decade. I agree with other commentators that the expansion of 'thin' Antarctic ice is likely due to glacial melting causing cold fresh water to flow over the heavier saline water and then freezing. Remember how ice-skates work? Pressure causes ice to melt at the base of glaciers so even a slight increase of air temperature can increase glacial melting while still being cold enough to freeze a thin layer of sea ice at the fresh water layer. There is no contradiction ... this is exactly what global warming predicts!
the globalizerMarch 1, 2015 7:40 pm
Contrary to popular opinion, the climate is still warming though at a slower rate than was observed prior to 2000. The 'hiatus' does not imply a cessation, but simply a slowing down due to various factors (perhaps sunspot activity/Milankovitch cycles/or oceanic recycling as suggested here.) The stock market shows similar random fluctuations which often disguise the main trend (which in the case of global warming is upwards!) It's worth pointing out that even 20 years ago, climate models pointed out that that increases in ocean surface temperatures would, by virtue of evaporation, cause dramatic increases in precipitation in many areas, and that is precisely what we are witnessing on the eastern seaboard of the US. However, it is not the temperature increases that are of greatest concern - it is the unexpected and dramatic changes that appear to be the main result of the overall warming trend. Mankind has made huge investments in agriculture, coastal cities, infrastructure. Contrary to previous warming periods such as those occurring when grapes were grown by the Romans in the South of England, the huge infrastructure investments of today are hard to relocate. Combine that with the fragility of our agricultural systems worldwide and a rapidly increasing population that depends on its productivity, and you have the makings of worldwide political and financial turmoil - worldwide food shortages could herald the beginning of WW3, but this time on multiple fronts. Normally, the US would have come to the rescue as it has so often in the past, but what happens if the rainfall in the Great Plains dries up? What happens if increased ocean levels permeate the limestone aquifers of Florida? What happens if the California drought continues unabated? Climate prediction is not yet an exact science and controversy will likely continue for the indefinite future breeding all kinds of conspiracy theories but we should be heeding the warning. If indeed we have a temporary 'hiatus', we know that this is likely to be followed by a dramatic 'correction'. The hiatus just buys us a bit more time and hopefully we will use that time constructively to do what humans have done from time immemorial .... adapt and improvise!
bill smithMarch 1, 2015 3:26 pm
Hi ed-RTCC, if you go back and read my post, it does meet your rules, it does not use bad language, nor insult anyone and it is on topic. What it does not do is agree with your opinion of the world. Detected as Spam?? Really??
BillhookMarch 1, 2015 2:07 pm
This demands a serious exposition of the counter hypothesis, that climate destabilization is not "one hazard driver among many", it is the paramount threat to society and is the only known cause of the growing risk of serial global crop failures. No amount of resilience building and vulnerability reduction can offset its threat. The Kelman proposal is thus a patently false and misleading proposal. In the interest of broadcasting a properly balanced view of the issue this series needs to provide the counter hypothesis. Regards, Billhook
BillhookMarch 1, 2015 1:45 pm
Agreed. In addition, we need to have ramped up Carbon Recovery by 2050 to be removing more CO2 than we currently emit, in order to lower airborne CO2 as rapidly as possible. Without this addition, Emissions Control alone would not prevent the terminal acidification of the oceans, on which the biosphere depends. This level of Carbon Recovery is physically achievable, but it requires effort on the scale of a well-regulated new global industry that is largely self-funding. It will require the use of the 1.6Gha.s of non-farmland suitable for afforestation that was identified in the joint WRI-WFN study of 2011, at best for native coppice forestry for biochar, with the product being supplied to farms as a valuable soil-moisture regulator and fertility enhancer. A second revenue stream is potentially available by the conversion of charcoal retorts' surplus hydrocarbon gasses to methanol, a valuable liquid fuel. It cannot be overstressed that this effort has to be for carbon recovery, not for fossil carbon offset, for it to be of any practical value. The top-up funding required to make the biochar affordable to farmers worldwide therefore has to be from official sources, not from commercial fossil carbon offset schemes. The logical, and diplomatically benign, allocation of that funding requirement would be according to nations' cumulative emissions that are still resident in the atmosphere. This would diminish the obstruction that the 'historical emissions' issue has posed at the UNFCCC since its inception. Regards, Billhook
Michael StoneMarch 1, 2015 7:02 am
Yep volcanoes do.... The volcanic dust and ash in the atmosphere blocks sunlight and the planet cools if it is a major series of eruptions... Or local cooling, such as mini ice ages, if not so major eruptions. .... However; after some time the atmosphere clears and the CO2 the volcanoes erupted will cause the planet to warm. I am "holding on". (:-0}
Rich PersoffMarch 1, 2015 2:43 am
If my brakes aren't working, I don't need a mechanic to tell me to head for the bank rather than go over the cliff.
Rich PersoffMarch 1, 2015 2:39 am
Dear 'flyoverman' (interesting "handle", open to many interpretations) For some, climate change may have a religious intensity. For myself, I have seen patches of snow in the Rockies and Sierra which were once glaciers. Who's your funding source?
Buro CratzMarch 1, 2015 2:04 am
It's very simple, actually: Low solar activity leads to global cooling, cool summers, and cold winters.
Mike GFebruary 28, 2015 3:06 pm
...or saying the science is settled... right after they tell us the science is based on temperature records adjusted for anomalies.....
kiwichickFebruary 28, 2015 3:50 am
9 of the hottest years globally have been recorded since 2000
the globalizerFebruary 27, 2015 10:53 pm
Contrary to many opinions expressed here, the climate is still warming though at a slower rate than was observed prior to 2000. The 'hiatus' does not imply a cessation, but simply a slowing down due to various factors (perhaps sunspot activity and/or Milankovitch cycles.) The stock market shows similar random fluctuations which often disguise the main trend (which in this case is upwards!) It's worth pointing out that even 20 years ago, climate models pointed out that that increases in ocean surface temperatures would, by virtue of evaporation, cause dramatic increases in precipitation in many areas, and that is precisely what we are witnessing on the eastern seaboard. However, it is not the temperature increases that are of greatest concern - it is the increased and often dramatic changes that appear to be the main result of the overall warming trend. Mankind has made huge investments in agriculture, coastal cities, infrastructure. Contrary to previous times of warming when grapes were grown by the Romans in the South of England, the huge infrastructure investments of today are hard to move. Combine that with the fragility of our agricultural systems worldwide and the population that depends on its productivity, and you have the makings of worldwide political and financial turmoil. Normally, the US would have come to the rescue, but what happens if the rainfall in the Great Plains dries up as has happened in the past? What happens if increased ocean levels permeate the limestone aquifers of Florida? Climate prediction is not an exact science, but we should be heeding the warning. If indeed we have a temporary 'hiatus', we know that this is likely to be be followed by a dramatic 'correction'. The hiatus just buys us a bit more time and hopefully we will use that time well to do what humans have done from time immemorial, adapt and improvise!
butch 006February 27, 2015 8:38 pm
Some people will say and do almost anything for a buck.His handlers need to get him undercontrol before he actually hurts THEIR agenda.What a clown.
Climate HomeFebruary 27, 2015 8:23 pm
Hi Bill - I think the comments below reflect a diverse number of opinions. We do have rules over posting - they are simple and are detailed above, if you click on the 'comment policy' button. Best wishes, ed - RTCC
howard pattersFebruary 27, 2015 7:27 pm
A warm winter would work wonders in persuading skeptics...
mlpnko123February 27, 2015 6:57 pm
And yet, GOT has a underlining theme about the potential utopia of the "end-less summer", compared with the distopia of the "long night", which is a feared very long winter. It is the exact opposite of the author's supposition. I understand you can look at climate change as a bad thing, and understand in reality it has negative aspects despite the direction of weather change, but I think GOT is a really bad example.
Clair RuckmanFebruary 27, 2015 6:51 pm
Though, I agree climate change is absolutely happening. This has nothing, but disaster written all over it. I already see the republican rebuttle."Go get your information from a t.v. series.", or something else equally missing the point like well look at kings landing it is hot there, and Winterfell doesn't have snow outside of proper winter cycles.
NickFebruary 27, 2015 6:31 pm
Wow! Mr. Inhofe in one swell foop reverses decades of research involving thousands of scientists and many millions of data points. Who would have thought it would be so easy? The sins of a teraton of global emissions absolved by a single blob of ice. Inhofe is so awesome.
Mike HillsgroveFebruary 27, 2015 6:13 pm
By 2050 we need to be 100% renewables or it's over. There is no reason why we can't be 100% renewable energy by 2030-2035. Pushing things out to 2050 is tantamount to species suicide. There is no good answer that lets us keep fossil fuels.
RealityforyouFebruary 27, 2015 5:33 pm
Wow.... The current weather is your reasoning for not believing global warming. You do know that weather and climate are different things right? When did congressmen become scientists?
fuzzyFebruary 27, 2015 5:31 pm
Historical Note, the congress ( both houses) did not take seriously nor act to do anything about the Dust Bowl until the sky turned black and a couple of inches of dust actually fell on Washington D.C. itself. The senators and representatives from those states that the dust came from a had been practically screaming for help for the previous years and a half . Now nothing has changed in politics, Warmer's expect them to act on something that they can not see or feel , while at the same time it is below freezing temps and snowing several inches to a few feet at a time which is something that they can feel. I'm neither a AGW warmer nor am I a total skeptic , it has been warming to a very small degree (0.002 F) over the last ten years. This can be accounted for in natural trending of an interglacial warming and the fact that we just exited a cooling period called the Little Ice Age in the early 1800's . The Senator with the snow ball may be a showman but he has made a very powerful point the AGW people don't seem to realize and that is if it is truly warming as original forecasts from the 1990's were projected there shouldn't be any snow in Washington D.C. now for a snowball to be made . Just remember this isn't about scientific fact any more but on what can be proven politically by people who have little to no science back grounds.
LOL23February 27, 2015 4:55 pm
Hey you scientific community, talk to the hand... the one with a snow ball !!!
igneous11February 27, 2015 4:31 pm
It's sad, but Inhofe is really representative to a larger group of scientifically illiterate buffoons.
USAFebruary 27, 2015 4:19 pm
Global warming has never been proven, but it has been disproven on multiple fronts. Too bad senators are forced to spend time on an issue that is based on liberal lies. The new catch phrase for global warming is now climate change, because they cannot keep crying global warming when it is cooling. I suspect "climate change" will stick around for a while, because it also goes by another name - weather.
JungleTrunksFebruary 27, 2015 4:14 pm
When did the US Navy become an expert on climate? In fact, when did scientists become experts on climate? The last several years they've been warning of warming oceans, yesterday they were describing the Pacific Oceans cooling. You can't make this stuff up.
WashburnFebruary 27, 2015 4:11 pm
It is getting pretty cold in Cuba too. The Hudson River is frozen over, It looks like I can walk to work rather than paying the $12.00 toll over the George Washington Bridge.
PygmalionFebruary 27, 2015 1:23 am
This fringe zealot does not represent "Europe". Europeans are no longer interested in this 20 year-old hoax.
tmalthus2010February 26, 2015 9:40 pm
Only in the insane world of the AGW Cult/Cabal is a ph of 8.1-8.2 "acidified."
Shortie ncnFebruary 26, 2015 8:54 pm
I just hope all countries will cooperate and enforce the the law.
spec9February 26, 2015 7:38 pm
Tony Abbott is going to look real stupid for doubling-down on coal now that their biggest customer is putting the brakes on coal in order to clean up their air.
Jacob ScherrFebruary 26, 2015 7:28 pm
Mr. Soderberg's blog illustrated the extraordinary complexity of negotiations among 190 national governments on climate change. The real test of success at Paris might rather be whether it marks the start of a rapid transformation to a net-zero carbon economy by mid-century. I am encouraged that for the first time all the governments will set out their own post-2020 ambitions - which will lie at the heart of the next climate agreement. When added up, it will certain that the national long-term targets will be inadequate to avoid climatic disruption. It will be up to citizens to demand their national leaders be more ambitious in the future. Equally important will be the "action agenda" to be launched in Paris. Leaders at all levels of government, business, and civil society will be encouraged to make new, expand, or strengthen their commitments to take action now to deal with the climate crisis. We expect to see in Paris the creation of new structures that will accelerate the current groundswell of climate actions worldwide.. The EC report noted the importance of action by all actors and suggested to me that we might need a new metric for measuring real progress dealing with climate - the amount of public and private investment in renewal energy, improved transportation, green infrastructure - in the critical next 5-10 years. We need to continue to address the unfairness and inequity in the international system, but given the urgency of the problem, we need to focus much more attention on the "urgent action" called for by the EC to avoid serious climatic disruption.
kcy2014February 26, 2015 5:58 pm
The Governments and Climatologists have this ultra cozy relationship that is totally inappropriate and has led to the falsification of data and to climate models that are so wrong that's not even funny.
bill smithFebruary 26, 2015 4:24 pm
RTCC, if you don't want people to comment with opinions different than yours, why have a comment section below?? Taking the coward's way out and labeling the comment "detected as spam" and not posting it is absurd!
PygmalionFebruary 26, 2015 2:54 pm
The internet today is rife with "activist" sites that publish propaganda, dressed up as "science" yet routinely and shamelessly suppress and censor dissenting information and viewpoints. I always try to imagine the facial expression of the well-meaning soldier as he or she clicks their red button to "do away" with unauthorized intellectual contributions. Not hard to imagine the face of that person in 1939.
willFebruary 26, 2015 12:25 pm
I gave up trying to encourage people to go to the source. to dig into scientific data read the numbers. But people like their fantasies and their feel good Im smart your dumb causes, especially ones that wont come crashing down til sometime far far away in the just unseen future
willFebruary 26, 2015 12:14 pm
who is the co author of the article wow!!!
CountryBoyFebruary 26, 2015 2:34 am
I followed the rules + parameters and still got censored....
Climate Change DoubterFebruary 25, 2015 11:04 pm
I hope the "pause" ends soon. We are freezing to death here in Northern Illinois.
Henning Bo HoeierFebruary 25, 2015 10:51 pm
If you want change then give carbon funds to NGO game changers as Humana People to People who even with own income can creates renewable energy. Now to get one dollar from a any of the carbon funds you have to spend more than 0,5 dollar on buorocracy. Efficiency have to find its ways to the carbonfunds. Those of us working on implementation that are without funding and those evaluating, controling, monitoring, supervising, report writers and alike is on first class. 5 to 10% must be a maximum of non implementing cost!
johnpatrick22February 25, 2015 10:18 pm
These folks did not predict the pause AND they denied it happened for years despite the flattening of the temperature trajectory in 1989. Meanwhile the carbon dioxide continued to increase at about its normal pace. If a scientific theory does not support observation, its needs to be rejected or fixed. They have done neither. There are other strange things such as the fact that the maximum temperatures for the states have not shown the upward trend since records were started in the 1800's. In fact, most recent record state highs were broken in a week during the 1030's. Many records from a century ago still exist for states. It would seem to me that the various maximums should follow the global temperature up. Maybe manmade global warming does not apply to the United States.
uberalles2February 25, 2015 10:17 pm
Warming is the best thing ever to happen to this planet. In the Eocene epoch, the warmest period, early primates evolved. That's us folks. Longer growing seasons, record crop yields. The future looks bright.
CC ACFebruary 25, 2015 9:51 pm
A 'Pause' in Geological time is like over a million years or so.....!
Michki067February 25, 2015 9:11 pm
Hey, didn't you just contradict yourself? You tell us how climate is different from weather and then, in the same breath, give us the January weather for California. Tell me, will it rain tomorrow?
CroMagFebruary 25, 2015 9:00 pm
Who can predict what climate is going to be? The earth continues to face challenges and yet finds ways to shrug off these confrontations. It is impossible to know what the earth is and is not designed to handle?
CroMagFebruary 25, 2015 8:56 pm
At least they are admitting global warming has stopped. Last week they were telling us 2014 was the hottest on record. Anyone else find "climate scientists" to be less than trustworthy?
Stephen RexrothFebruary 25, 2015 8:35 pm
Check again. The same organizations that announced that 2014 was the "hottest on record" came out and admitted that wasn't quite true about two days after that initial hysteria. And even when they still try to claim that it was the hottest, it was by something like 0.02 degrees and the margin of error in their data was WAY more than that. So basically, even at a basic level of scientific rigor that would be required of a freshman biology student, it wasn't the hottest
ingersolFebruary 25, 2015 8:28 pm
Wallace Broeker correctly predicted an end to a warming hiatus in 1975. His letter to Science Magazine (Wallace S. Broecker, Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?, Science 8 August 1975: Vol. 189 no. 4201 pp. 460-463) coined the term 'Global Warming' and has become known as 'Wally's Warning' because it was so prescient. "If man-made dust is unimportant as a major cause of climatic change, then a strong case can be made that the present cooling trend will, within a decade or so, give way to a pronounced warming induced by carbon dioxide. By analogy with similar events in the past, the natural climatic cooling which, since 1940, has more than compensated for the carbon dioxide effect, will soon bottom out. Once this happens, the exponential rise in the atmospheric carbon dioxide content will tend to become a significant factor and by early in the next century will have driven the mean planetary temperature beyond the limits experienced during the last 1000 years."
ingersolFebruary 25, 2015 8:20 pm
The aren't predicting the weather, they are predicting changes in the climate. But for the record, I predict the temperature in Chicago on July 25 will be at least 40F higher than it is today. How is that for a five month out weather prediction?
GuestFebruary 25, 2015 8:02 pm
OK RTCC, all 3 of my posts deleted. I will be sure to let everyone know not to waste their time here.
stevefFebruary 25, 2015 8:00 pm
First you have to believe the so-called "Scientific data" being presented as fact even though it has been repeatedly shown to be false or "doctored", before you can accept it. My own feeling is that any time someone lies to push an agenda, I automatically know it's all a big lie... Anyone of reasonable intelligence is that way...
Just call me JoeFebruary 25, 2015 7:24 pm
Considering that the "scientists" did not predict the "pause" in the first place, why should anyone believe them now? According to Al Gore, the Arctic Ocean was going to be ice free by 2014. Nope. Not even close.
adam_s_0625February 25, 2015 6:45 pm
Show where his data is wrong.
adam_s_0625February 25, 2015 6:44 pm
Meaningless. The supposedly correlated CO2 - atmospheric warming trend broke in 2002/3. THIS is what you should be looking at and what should be important to you (if you operate by the scientific method, that is).
NickFebruary 25, 2015 6:42 pm
"climate is the average of weather over long periods of time". Forget it. A denialists attention span doesn't accommodate "long periods of time" (or even long sentences, for that matter).
NickFebruary 25, 2015 6:39 pm
They didn't predict the "pause" and there hasn't been one either.
adam_s_0625February 25, 2015 6:37 pm
Skeptics understand this concept very well. We only parrot the hypocrisy of the Left when they trumpet a heat wave as proof of AGW but a cold snap as weather.
Steve ShoreyFebruary 25, 2015 6:34 pm
They always report on the ice melting but never on the ice forming.
adam_s_0625February 25, 2015 6:33 pm
Oooooh. So, now then, alarmist scientists are quietly agreeing that the models are wrong and that there could be another 10 (or so) years of hiatus. But, good lord, look out after that. Same old chicken little fear-mongering with no empirical data to back it up. What we are seeing is more of the same overwhelmingly natural warming as we recover from the Little Ice Age. We warmed from 191x-194x (when CO2 increase was quite small), flat-lined from 194x-197x (when CO2 started its rise), warmed from 197x-200x (when CO2 was rising), and are, once again, flat-lined (as CO2 is STILL rising). The expectation, then, is flat-line temp for another 15-20 years, then warming along the long-term, NATURALLY induced trend line of the last 100 years. When alarmists start operating by the scientific method, we'll start listening.
hanndy2February 25, 2015 6:32 pm
This will never end till we enter into a real ice age, for now just follow the money. Carbon taxation is a scam by the likes of Al Gore, it solves nothing, and these leeches damn well know it, only the liberal drones in the world buy into this!
EphelantFebruary 25, 2015 6:29 pm
You're not very bright, are you?
Marine Core SoldierFebruary 25, 2015 6:17 pm
There is no warming so how do you explain that? Impossible.
Marine Core SoldierFebruary 25, 2015 6:16 pm
At least they admit that recent warming stories are lies. But now they want us to believe that while they don't understand why there isn't warming as they previously predicted, they know that warming will actually accelerate sometime in the future. This absolutely proves without a doubt that global warming is a lie to steal money. There is no longer any doubt.
AlbPerezFebruary 25, 2015 5:51 pm
This article will certainly be a kick in the teeth to parishioners of the Church of Global Warming that still claim global warming is marching along unimpeded. The High Priest, John Kerry, has some splainin' to do. I thought 2014 was one of the warmest years on record? How can that be if global warming has been "paused" since 1998?
BitterjackFebruary 25, 2015 5:47 pm
Wow, one website that lets individual critical thinking adults point out the flaws in the AGW alarmists religion, and you alarmists freak out. This is how STEM people are treated by the liberal media if we dare question the AGW mantra. So get over yourself.
SlindseyFebruary 25, 2015 5:44 pm
Well...since they failed to even predict the pause. I am 38% Positive that this will occur.
Dan DelgadoFebruary 25, 2015 5:44 pm
What pause? Out of one side of their mouths these global screechers claim we have a pause and that's why it's not getting warmer -- out of the other side of their mouths they claim it's getting warmer every year. So, which is it?
southpaw64February 25, 2015 5:33 pm
Brilliant. Finally caught in their own trap, aren't they? Now that the pause is undeniable (and 2014 was NOT the hottest year on record), their only recourse is to say, "Okay, there is a pause, but when it's over, watch out!" Even my young students know that you can't predict the future.
southpaw64February 25, 2015 5:31 pm
You, my friend, hit the nail in the head. This is propaganda journalism, pure and simple.
southpaw64February 25, 2015 5:31 pm
Duane... that's because they ARE making it up as they go along!
Tom RadeckiFebruary 25, 2015 5:23 pm
The EU plays all sort of dishonest tricks to pretend they are lowering their carbon footprint, e.g. exporting dirty industries like steel which they then import but don't count at part of their footprint, importing food but not counting the footprint, etc. Now, they want to count not cutting down their forests as lowering the carbon footprint while they are actively chopping down U.S. forests for woodchips for biofuel for their power plants in Europe, still further lowering their carbon footprint. I suppose that they will now replant the deforested U.S. lands and claim that as again lowering their footprint, too. We need to be net-zero as a world by 2050 at the latest. Global warming is projected to drive to extinction 40% to 70% of all plant and animal species by 2100. It is also very likely that it will cause well over a billion humans to die of starvation by then. It's much worse than you think. EU, the U.S., and the rest of the world needs to stop playing games and get serious very fast. From Feb. 12-14th, for three days the global average temperature was already 1.5C over that of 100 years ago. It's come at us fast even during a pause period. Wait 5-10 years when the Pacific Decadal Oscillation swings back to a fast period!
GoldenBoysFebruary 25, 2015 5:21 pm
This site is a farce.
RealScienceRulesFebruary 25, 2015 5:20 pm
If humans cause global warming, and global warming is taking a two decade hiatus, what happened to the human causation? Seems the RTCC is hedging its' bets: could be longer, could be shorter, but we don't know why, could be volcanos, could be industry.. The Real Science tells us the climate always changes and is never constant.
GoldenBoysFebruary 25, 2015 5:17 pm
In a "scientific" field with a long history of rigged numbers, complete dishonesty and an agenda driven by International Income Re-Distribution, this site is one of the most dishonest. Take my Post down, but when you go home tonight and look in the mirror at the lying sacks you really are.
BitterjackFebruary 25, 2015 5:13 pm
Hell, I am just happy that scientists are admitting there has been a pause in global warming. Something the alarmists have yet to do....
Alberto KnoxFebruary 25, 2015 5:10 pm
Herman, also notice the "tweet" posted in the middle of the article. It contains a link to the Journal Nature and the paper that makes this claim.
RobertFebruary 25, 2015 5:09 pm
Didn't you read the article Mike? Which is it, you can't have it both ways.
RobertFebruary 25, 2015 5:08 pm
Isn't it interesting that at the same time global warming scientist say the warming pause is soon to come to an end, they deny that there has been a pause in warming. The degree of belief in global warming from the left is apparently greater than the belief in God by even the most devout Christian.
BeltshazzarFebruary 25, 2015 5:07 pm
ED, You folks don't follow your own rules. You are not "Objective " monitors and your bias is evident in the posts you choose to allow and those you choose to censure. Your like book burning ISIS and another group from the forties that you won't allow to be mentioned. You cannot tolerate another point of view. It scares you. You will allow some of the most vile comments and personal attacks, but don't let someone mention God or conservative point of view without producing as much static as possible.
GoldenBoysFebruary 25, 2015 5:04 pm
RTCC...Afraid of dissent...Afraid of the facts...You are a pathetic organization!
RobertFebruary 25, 2015 5:03 pm
Weather is not climate to a liberal unless if fits their agenda. Why is weather climate to you when it's warm in California but not when we're having record cold elsewhere. Those of you on the left cannot see your hypocrisy for some reason.
Alberto KnoxFebruary 25, 2015 4:58 pm
um, it's in the article. There is a "1 in four" chance of a 15 year pause becoming a 20 year pause. 4-1=3, so there is a three in four chance of the pause *not* becoming a 20 year pause. 3/4=0.75. a 0.75 chance = a 75% chance that the pause will end within 5 years.
GuestFebruary 25, 2015 4:54 pm
Mine are awaiting approval, but I don't imagine I will be reading them here. If that be the case, this will be my last visit to RTCC. Which I'm sure won't bother them at all, since they want an echo chamber rather than a discussion of facts pertinent to the case.
RealScienceRulesFebruary 25, 2015 4:50 pm
If humans are causing global warming, but the global warming may take a two decade hiatus, what happens to the humans causation for twenty years? Seems like Doug is hedging his bets, not too sure about the cause or the extent of the hiatus, but no matter what happens, he'll definitely state he told us so. Please Ed, don't call him a scientist.
RyanFebruary 25, 2015 4:48 pm
Yup. They deleted 2 of my comments that were on topic, did link to inappropriate content, and didn't insult or attack anyone. I guess only the warmists are allowed to voice their opinion and insult people; I see plenty of that in the comments here.
GuestFebruary 25, 2015 4:42 pm
That's quite the consensus there!
MeFebruary 25, 2015 4:40 pm
You censor like no other.
Herbert ShallcrossFebruary 25, 2015 4:34 pm
"While temperatures have not increased noticeably since the start of the century, 2014 was the hottest year since records began, marginally above previous records set in 2005 and 2010. " While this "fact" was widely disseminated, and this piece still uses it, the temperature differences cited are smaller than the margin of error. 2014 could be the hottest, or the second or third hottest, but, of course, "hottest" advances the mantra.
MeFebruary 25, 2015 4:34 pm
Hilarious, I thought we had 12 years of warming, now, it's a hiatus? Can they change their story any faster? Absolutely zero credibility. Hey, I have this used Yugo for sale.........low miles, grandma's car, a real gem............
fatboy46February 25, 2015 4:34 pm
"“We looked at the statistics of hypothetical pauses driven solely by natural variability. It’s possible that the current slowdown has other causes as well,” said co-author Doug McNeall from the Met Office. -" ROTFLMAO! That KoolAid must be really good stuff! In the face of all the evidence that this Global Warming BS is NOT man made..it is hilarious that these pseudo-scientists insist on pushing their agenda anyway. If we stopped 'polluting' right now- we would have ZERO effect! IF a volcano erupts- POOF! everything we have done is wiped out. KNOCK_KNOCK! anybody in there ?- nooop. CO2- plants need it to live-- they give us O2 in return. Liberals- think of it as a symbiotic relationship. O3 ? stuff has been there for EONS- so has the HOLE in the O3 layer.. whoopy doo. Folks this is a farce. it is a weather program on steroids that has been made to give the desired results in order to fleece the governments and people and perpetuate the mind set of these nitwits.
RLLFebruary 25, 2015 4:26 pm
Comparing yourself to Galileo, Einstein, etc. is a sure sign you are a crackpot.
RLLFebruary 25, 2015 4:25 pm
Actually, many models do show "pauses" of similar length and greater. There is internal variability having to do with, for example whether the heat from the greenhouse gasses is going into the air or the oceans. Read the literature.
MikeLFebruary 25, 2015 4:22 pm
And hundreds of record lows were set in the month of February 2015 across the U.S. so what's your point? Weather changes. The climate changes. Stop using just the "hottest" years to support your agenda.
RLLFebruary 25, 2015 4:21 pm
Uh, dude, they are looking at averages over time and space. I can't predict where IBM will close tomorrow afternoon. That doesn't mean I don't want stocks in my investment portfolio.
RyanFebruary 25, 2015 4:13 pm
Are these the same scientists that have yet to have a single one of their predictions come true?
WarrenFebruary 25, 2015 4:10 pm
Are you Galileo?
WarrenFebruary 25, 2015 4:09 pm
Agreed. And US Climate is not GLOBAL.
Todd NelsonFebruary 25, 2015 4:04 pm
Even those making that proclamation say they only have a 38per cent certainty that is correct. That. Means there is a 62 per cent chance they are wrong, by their own admission.
Paul Santa CruzFebruary 25, 2015 4:00 pm
I just read a story that said the pause didn't exist.
Todd NelsonFebruary 25, 2015 3:58 pm
Aren't these the same pseudo scientists who failed to predict the current lack of global temperature rise 20 years ago, and have been trying to make excuses for being wrong ever since? Now most astrophysicists are saying there is going to be a cooling period of, at least, another 30-50 years due to the historic inactivity of the sun. Why do the "climate change" liars think they have more credibility than those who study the sun and have recorded history to back up their theories? Arrogance is the answer, arrogance and the power of the government to get us to believe their lies.
No. OneFebruary 25, 2015 3:52 pm
Isn't it possible that we don,t have global warming or climate change but actually is Shifting weather patterns instead? in other words California gets Chinese weather and Florida gets California weather Europe gets Floridas weather etc.etc. Just a thought I am no scientist just an observer.
WakeFebruary 25, 2015 3:44 pm
Would you mind giving your references for "hottest ever recorded"? The weather over most of the northern hemisphere is NORMAL. California seems to be having an event similar to the well known "El Nino" which caused the west coast temperature to be warm due to the California Current being off-shore and this redirects the westerly flow north and then south causing these cold spells in the eastern US. Since this has happened before why is it being presented as something new? Since the records are being misrepresented and even lied directly about why are people continuing to repeat this global warming hoax? 2014 the hottest year ever? Gee - when you only use the North American Continental Temperature instead of the Mean Global Temperature you might expect something like that. But using MGT 2014 wasn't as hot as 1900 or 1912. If we were in the midst of "global warming" wouldn't you expect all of the hottest years to be within the last decade?
doubting thomasFebruary 25, 2015 3:34 pm
I keep hearing how January was the hottest month ever.... Amazing how when one cherry picks information they can turn numbers into any BS they want them to be. Case in point... One town in California is warmer than usual in January. The ENTIRE mid west, north east and south east was way below normal.... Conclusion... One town in California trumps all data because it fits into the tree hugging liberal agenda of total control over their subjects. That's right, not citizens...subjects as they are using this as just another chip at your freedoms. As long as the weather scientists are funded by NOAA and other government agencies we will NEVER have the truth......we will only have what the government demands we hear.
Raplh Mccallum IIIFebruary 25, 2015 3:34 pm
and what is the source or data you are using or are just making another "predection " rofl
Italo DeBlasiFebruary 25, 2015 3:32 pm
In the final analysis this is all about controlling the population to achieve the vision of a select few. Individuality and liberty is being thrown out the window. In the view of those select few, we as individuals are not to be trusted with our decision making. Although many of us do have poor decision making skills, this does not enable the few who think they can make the right decisions, the right to force all of into a particular mode of behavior. It amazes me that as higher sentients on this planet we practice enslavement of our own species. I don't believe any other animal practices this type of behavior.
Climate HomeFebruary 25, 2015 3:10 pm
Hi Carbonicus, Our comment policy is above. All posts that don't abide by it are not published. The rules + parameters are fairly clear. Please have a check before you add further remarks. Best wishes, Ed King, RTCC
Climate HomeFebruary 25, 2015 3:09 pm
Hi Herman - did you read the whole article? Doug McNeall from the Met Office is quoted Best wishes, Ed King, RTCC
BootleggerFebruary 25, 2015 2:55 pm
Maybe good science. Look at realized facts rather than future modeling.
CountryBoyFebruary 25, 2015 2:52 pm
but this site does not allow opposition thought.... or even the truth to be posted for that matter.
CountryBoyFebruary 25, 2015 2:50 pm
My thoughts got arrested..... and never saw the light of day..
CountryBoyFebruary 25, 2015 2:49 pm
Mine too..... they can't take the truth....
Herman PeaquistFebruary 25, 2015 2:48 pm
Scientists say? Not a single scientist is quoted in this quack piece.
dieseltdiFebruary 25, 2015 2:47 pm
Weather is not climate. Unfortunately people here in the US don't know the difference. Climate is the average of weather over long periods of time. Yes it is cold in the NE and SE right now, it is winter after all but January was one of the hottest ever recorded for the US. California had its highest January average temperature EVER recorded. This simply continues a trend started long ago and directly related to humans.
jerryFebruary 25, 2015 2:44 pm
I have been saying all along they cant get the weather forecast right more than 2 days out let alone next week or next month and next year anybody can throw a dart at the wall. So having said that you are going to believe the models and predictions of doom they all keep saying? I can come up with a model and a forecast to scare the hell out of everybody. If I just keep telling you a lie you eventually believe it to be fact doesn't matter what the numbers and science actually tell you will ignore the truth and continue to believe the lie. Until one day the lie never happens and you go oh well I guess they were wrong and by then the government will have all of your money and all of your freedom.
Paul M RaupFebruary 25, 2015 2:43 pm
Complex enough to continue to confuse the computer models that the AGW theory is based on.........undersea volcanoes may have an effect but, of course, we do not know how MANY there are.......
skoonyFebruary 25, 2015 2:33 pm
its kind of funny that when you in Maine and me in Minnesota and. other people in various parts of the civilized world note that there has been no observable climate change where we live in our life times(i'm 60) we are told our isolated experiences are just local weather and as such have nothing to do with global warming. well we got the internet now. the arctic ice is at normal. 4 boats have been frozen in,in the antarctic where supposedly no ice should exist. remember it melted.
frankly2February 25, 2015 2:31 pm
They didn't predict the pause, they don't know why the pause occurred and they don't know how long it will last, so how can they say what is going to happen after the pause is over (if it will even be over)?
Duane WeaverFebruary 25, 2015 2:31 pm
It is not that we can't understand the theory. It's that we don't believe the theory.
Hal von LuebbertFebruary 25, 2015 2:30 pm
Are you SERIOUS?! Or do you just have that little knowledge of the matter...?
Duane WeaverFebruary 25, 2015 2:28 pm
Show us how you calculated your 75% chance.
Duane WeaverFebruary 25, 2015 2:26 pm
The "experts" were surprised by the pause are now predicting that warming will accelerate after the surprise pause. The ever evolving theory feels like they are making it up as it goes along.
Hal von LuebbertFebruary 25, 2015 2:21 pm
Can you provide a "link" or other source of your information? Argo is relentlessly and unremittingly reporting rises in ocean temperature. Why do you say what you do here? http://www.jcommops.org/argo
Hal von LuebbertFebruary 25, 2015 2:20 pm
Scientists, you might as well offer a scientific proof about angels or an anthropomorphic god sitting on a stone throne somewhere "up there." Surely you know of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, and/or Bertrand Russell's observation that every proposition must first be reduced by the individual to the level of his own understanding. You can't teach a pig to sing: it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
skoonyFebruary 25, 2015 2:19 pm
the raw temperature data doesn't show this. the adjusted data does.
AlbPerezFebruary 25, 2015 2:08 pm
Science? There is no science! It's all "modeling". That's not science. You can make a model say whatever you want it to say. Garbage in, garbage out. The models have been wildly inaccurate so far. But, at least the global warming nuts are admitting that there has been no warming in the last 15 years. That's progress!
CarbonicusFebruary 25, 2015 2:04 pm
You've been duped badly, dear. You've bought into The Litany without any independent research of your own. Had you done so and had any critical thinking skills, you would not write what you have written. Don't feel bad, there are millions more just like you.
AlbPerezFebruary 25, 2015 2:03 pm
How absurd. Would, could, should. They haven't been right about global warming yet (or the doom and gloom predictions about "global cooling" from the 1970's). These clowns (they're obviously not scientists) told us a hiatus wasn't possible in the first place. The Earth was in an irreversible warming trend. Oops! The only place where global warming is happening is in the computer models. Garbage in, garbage out. Newsflash! The weather is constantly changing. It is ALWAYS getting colder, warmer, wetter or dryer somewhere on the earth. The climate has never been static!
Dimitar MirchevFebruary 25, 2015 2:03 pm
WTF is this? "cuts of “at least” 60% on 2010 levels by 2050" We'll achieve that by 2030...
CarbonicusFebruary 25, 2015 2:02 pm
Shameful deletion of posts that don't support the Thermaggedon Litany. Pravda, not journalism. Remember Copernicus and Galileo. You are making the exact same mistake 400 years later. What you believe is religion, not science.
paul cuzzFebruary 25, 2015 1:59 pm
I thought the scientists were saying there is no "pause". Which is it?
David William ReidFebruary 25, 2015 1:29 pm
Mother nature never pauses. That is just a failed excuse for their earlier predictions that never came close trying to give themselves more time to enslave everyone with taxes. Its always about the money and green is a multi billions dollar business! As for mother nature? She is always alive and running. She is continuously changing and its why its called the living planet not a dead planet. Climates will also always change and that cannot ever be stopped, if you did stop the climates from changing it would mean the planet is dead!
Mike GFebruary 25, 2015 1:26 pm
2014 was the hottest year since records began
Mike GFebruary 25, 2015 1:24 pm
Let me know how the scientists drastically reduced their carbon footprints and I'll follow suit.....
JamesFebruary 25, 2015 12:53 pm
Nuclear is the worst option for the long term health of this planet. CO2 is plant food, not toxic waste. Also, there are plenty of patents for better energy. Just look at who owns them and the energy con comes to light.
dan wipperFebruary 25, 2015 12:33 pm
The fact is there has been no warning in the past 17 years and now a trend towards global cooling. We have less bad weather and had worse prior to the industrial revolution. Pollution a real concern for us has gotten much better over 50 years too. If you were old enough to know or have studied what came before your short life you would understand we are living in one of the best times the world has ever offered. Only the warmer periods were better for life.
dxingFebruary 25, 2015 12:19 pm
I guess disgraced Willie Soon is in now hiding
BastacarbonaraFebruary 25, 2015 12:19 pm
Oups. Too fast reading. It is well -40% in 2030 in the INDC. You are right then.
BastacarbonaraFebruary 25, 2015 11:48 am
Ok but your forget that the EC package is -40% in 2030 while the INDC is -40% on average between 2021-2030. Not the same story. It means that in 2030 you expect to but lower than the -40%.
Tim AbelsFebruary 25, 2015 11:40 am
Again, and again. Excuse after excuse. And, BTW, increased CO2 is good for crops and has NOT been proven to cause warming. (Record crops last three years.) After a while, the constant drumbeat gets to be really boring. And the supposed experts look really corrupt.
MelmacFebruary 25, 2015 10:40 am
It depends on who you read. You may not be aware that the all the great lakes are about to freeze over, which is a very rare occurrence. You may not be aware that one of the poles is experiencing growing ice caps not thawing. And you obviously aren't aware that plotting a trend with a tiny number of data points is bad science. How old is the earth? Accurate temp readings are less than a hundred years old. Think about it.
MelmacFebruary 25, 2015 10:33 am
Wow. A rare admission by the climate hucksters that we haven't had warming for more than 15 years. Many honest scientists (who don't have a political agenda) have been saying this for ten years, and the charlatans have tried to shout them down and drown them out and label them as "deniers". I guess the data doesn't lie after all. In the 70s the "scientists" were predicting a new ice age. Guess who the culprit was back then? Western capitalist consumers, same as now. This has always been a political tool used mainly to scare naïve dupes into ceding more control over to collectivist government -- you know, so we don't all die. I guess the sword they've using to hack away your freedoms and scare you into submission is finally getting a little dull.
LewisFebruary 25, 2015 10:31 am
This in from the National Weather Service, there is a 50% chance it may warm up after winter. However, if this unusual series of meteorological events continue, it might remain cold. Now back to newswoman Sexy Sadie with tonight's cute puppy story, after this commercial.
StanleyFebruary 25, 2015 8:46 am
The month of February 2015 is looking to be part of the coldest year ever where I live. Enjoy the pause. I hope it cools off some or the pause lasts another decade or so like others are saying. Weatherman are saying the weather will be the way it is until current in the pacific ocean reverses. Everyone knows now that natural effects are more important than man made ones even the believers are realizing the pause has to have a natural cause. Just think of the relief people will have when they realize they aren't the cause of the current rise in earth's temperature. By the way, 2014 was not the hottest year ever on record. It was the hottest year ever recorded by man's manually recorded temperature data by just a little bit compared to the baseline data being used. Satellite data didn't back it up.
Nancy WilsonFebruary 25, 2015 8:43 am
I don't believe there has been a "pause" if you look at the hottest years on record, they are all grouped together after the turn of the millennium. I do believe the warming will accelerate, and greater override more normal temps mostly at the hottest times of the year in what are generally the most warmer and drier arras, and then drought and high temps will gradually spread out and dominate more areas for longer periods of the year. It will be drought that changes sceptic minds, although there is much evidence of rising storm surges already.
Ray WFebruary 25, 2015 8:15 am
But wait, there is no pause-right?
Gary AshmanFebruary 25, 2015 8:06 am
Of course, they weren't able to predict the pause, but we should ignore that failure, and assume the next prediction to be accurate.
Alberto KnoxFebruary 25, 2015 8:05 am
Seems straightforward enough. Any look at temp data from the record sees a clear "stairstep" pattern of repeated increase and pause. As comforting as it would be I never held the pause to be anything more than, well, a pause. It is quite likely (75% chance) the next 5 years will bring dramatic change.
KikkerFebruary 25, 2015 7:23 am
All comments must be "approved". Thought police.
Ray TortFebruary 25, 2015 7:23 am
Accurate predictions (so far) based on drought cycles and tree rings have predicted an increase in temperature until 1998, a leveling off for several years and a decline until about 2045. Other predictions based on hundreds of years of correlations of astronomical cycles to global temperature predicted a warming until 2002 followed by a gradual cooling until 2032, moderated by solar cycle 24 from 2008 to 20012. No global temperature change empirically correlating to increasing CO2 has been found.
KikkerFebruary 25, 2015 7:23 am
They deleted my comment.
BradAlbFebruary 25, 2015 7:21 am
So your models and projections failed to account for a nearly two decade "pause." And even now you can't explain the pause even though it continues. What credibility do you have WRT your current outrageous and unsupported warning? Answer: None. Could it be that your fudging and adjusting of hundreds of years of raw global temperature data is WRONG? Could it be that your arbitrary exaggeration of forcing factors in your models is WRONG? Could it be that your insistence that CO2 is the predominant controlling variable for the earth's heat balance is WRONG? Could it be that the hundreds of other assumptions, estimates and guesses, all of which have been reviewed and vetted by other Climate Cultists, are also WRONG? Time for the AGW Cultists to join the flat earthers and the geocentric modelers in the scrap heap of main stream scientists who were WRONG.
Joey Jo JoFebruary 25, 2015 6:59 am
It's amazing how people cannot wrap their heads around this. Poor science education maybe.
SergFebruary 25, 2015 6:44 am
Yes soon it will be summer and it will get warmer but don't need a scientist to let me know. This has to be the most stupid article I have ever seen. Obviously this guy does not know what he's talking about.
RichWallFebruary 25, 2015 5:53 am
Translation..."Once the globe stops cooling it will get warmer"
poorthing71February 25, 2015 5:28 am
If I had been wrong as many times as these so called experts in my forecasting of the future climate activities people would have stopped listing to me years ago. First they tell us we are going to freeze because of man made pollution. The they tell us we are going to fry and by their projectios most of California would now be under water(instead they are actually drying up like a mummy). According to Al Gores " inconvient Truth" fantasy the Polar Bears should be all but gone and instead they are over populating to the point of out stripping their food sources. We need televised congressional hearings so we can get to the bottom of this subject before we spend another dime of our money on trying to combat we know not what.
Terry BretzFebruary 25, 2015 5:21 am
Has it occurred to anyone else that maybe earth adapts, changes, depending on the input variables it receives, i.e. earth rotation, solar minimum/ maximum, volcanic eruption, solar flares? Who can tell me with 100% certainty that there won't be a Major volcanic eruption that will reduce global temp by 3,4,5 degrees? and throw the planet back into an ice age? What about the "oceans of frozen natural gas" that lay beneath the sea floor? Maybe when the earth gets warm enough, it will, like a metronome, swing back the other way??
Mean GeneFebruary 25, 2015 5:17 am
Hurry up and get those desalting plants going and suck all the water out of the ocean. Problem solved and California can be green again and get back to planting vegetables!!
non-sensationalFebruary 25, 2015 5:16 am
For a settled science there sure is an awful lot of speculations...
RonFebruary 25, 2015 5:11 am
I applaud the article for mentioning the pause but need to correct few things. The pause is now 16+ years, which puts us out of the 5% chance error bars needed to validate the last updated international IPCC models (CMIP5). The bigger controversy is the models' validity since their predictive capacity is the only scientific evidence of the Enhanced Greenhouse Effect. And, the models are failing as of now. The study puts a 25% chance that we will continue four more years without significant rise in global temperature. This would put the models at a less than 1% chance of being right about the danger of warming. BTW, this can happen even if every one of the next four years is the "warmest year ever" (on record). This does not mean the government shouldn't create prizes for demonstrated innovations in alternative energy, especially radiation free nuclear fusion.
BobFebruary 25, 2015 5:11 am
We can only hope that it will accelerate. It's incredibly embarrassing making a prediction, then it not coming true, then finding that we are in a pause, then arguing that there is no pause, then being proven that there is a pause. Hopefully this prediction will come true. But on a positive note, the more predictions that you make, the more likely that one of them will come true. That will be a glorious day for climate change politics when that day comes.
ddFebruary 25, 2015 5:03 am
The Islands, in most cases, are sinking. The people are removing ground water and the land sinks. Clearly, they need desalination technology that is expensive and won't get it because politicians like Obama don't care.
Dachs_dudeFebruary 25, 2015 4:46 am
You guys forgot to add that any commentary that isn't a ditto-head "denier" argument that can be easily rebuked with the AGW alarmist's cut-and-paste rebuttals will be deleted. Too bad some of us are still smart enough so see through this, even though you shut us down.
tmalthus2010February 25, 2015 4:44 am
The same scientists have spent almost a decade denying that there was a pause, despite indisputable satellite data that showed one. Furthermore, if AGW theory is valid, a pause is impossible, but we're 18 years into one. Why should we give credit to a word they say, given that their pronouncements obviously have nothing to do with what's happening with actual science.
KikkerFebruary 25, 2015 4:19 am
This story is a lie. The Argo ocean temperature sensor network installed over 12 years ago has shown no warming of the oceans.
Daniel CecrleFebruary 25, 2015 4:16 am
why comment if all you are doing is censoring and discarding anything that don't suck up to the half baked stories you put out ? -
SchmidlackFebruary 25, 2015 4:16 am
It is correct that the excess heat from the past decade or so has been sequestered temporarily in the ocean and will eventually be released. Unless you are a conservative of course. They will make stuff up in all sorts of meaningless claims that are not scientific because what really scares them is they think government is out to get them. THAT is what this is all about for conservatives. It has nothing at all to do with science.
Robert WFebruary 25, 2015 4:15 am
"Scientists say that the chance of a 20-year pause in global temperature rise is just 1%." So there you have it. If the lower atmosphere doesn't show statistically significant warming in 5-10 years, they are 99% certain that CAGW theory is a bust.
James PostFebruary 25, 2015 3:57 am
Humans are causing climate changes, but these long term predictions are full of "could" hedges, as well they should be, the variables are massive. as a basis for predicting where we will be in 20/30/40/50 years. No one knows what the climate will be in that period. Accelerate alternative fuels, fine. But, if you oppose nuclear power, which has a low carbon footprint, and natural gas (which has a lower carbon footprint than oil) exploitation via fracking, you are at cross purposes with addressing climate change. If you think we are close to having massive, affordable, renewable fuel viability, especially for vehicle fuel, you are living in the states of Colorado and Washington, and under the influence of that formerly illegal stuff.
CountryBoyFebruary 25, 2015 3:47 am
If my fellow Catholics are fasting for anything else during Lent, other than for Christ, then they are nothing more that LOST SOULs that have been tempted by the devil...... and are no longer Catholics...
Miguel GarciaFebruary 25, 2015 3:14 am
Who are the Scientists and what are their Credentials? Are they following the Solar Cycles and Weather History? And, have they looked out the window and follow the current weather in east coast and now all over the US? I wonder if they know that the earth goes through cycles, like we have had some 3 Ice ages. and we have found fossils of Cold Blooded creatures in Northern Canada. Just my 2 cents.
Steve ShoreyFebruary 25, 2015 2:51 am
Here in Maine we had a record cold temperature for Feb. 23 last night at 20 below and the month of February was the coldest since records started being kept in 1941. Ocean temperatures are cold, too. Lobsters kept their winter shells until August last year and the bay needed ice breakers to clear it this month.
Ron300February 25, 2015 2:37 am
Well then it sounds like you really know what going on in Antarctica, so why is the sea-ice rising there?
RodFebruary 25, 2015 1:49 am
It is nice to read an article where climate is portrayed as a complex system and not just all about co2.
Aaron BonarFebruary 25, 2015 1:45 am
So, there is a 1 in 4 chance (25%) that an event will occur that the models give only a 1% chance of occurring at all (that the "pause" will reach 2 decades). When an event is occurring that your model says is so unlikely it would cause most sane people to reevaluate the model, but not apparently not these people. More, if I put just a very tiny bit of effort into searching I find many AGW scientists claiming that there has not actually been a "pause" at all. While an absence of proof is not proof itself, it does eventually reach a point where people could begin to have doubts without being labeled ignorant or anti-science. If my sports modeling program had suggested that the Seahawks only had a 1% chance of losing the last Superbowl, I certainly wouldn't bet any money on the prediction it makes for next years winner.
Joseph UptonFebruary 25, 2015 1:38 am
We "deniers" are making progress. Sounds like the author of this piece is now admitting that there has been a "pause".
Raymond Michael BorlandFebruary 25, 2015 1:37 am
Plemming, even the UN IPCC world expert on hurricanes and tropical storms has said there is no proof man made CO2 is having any effects on the severity and frequency of eith hurricanes or tropical storms. He was not limiting his discussion to hurricanes making land fall on the USA east coast nor to pacific hurricanes. He was speaking of the worldwide pattern. The large iceberg that calved off Antarctica was no larger than one that calved off many years ago. Antarctic ice is increasing . the only way you can try to deny it is by limiting your discussion to one part of the Antartic penisula. that is cherry picking to the extreme. It means nothing. It is like saying last summer was hot in Death Valley and the USA was therefore having a very warm year.
RhastafarianFebruary 25, 2015 1:35 am
There are palm trees and ferns under the ice on Greenland.. I'd like to suggest the earth is healing. think about it.
Marc MFebruary 25, 2015 1:02 am
The last two summers have been great in TN. Tomato plants have been yielding throughout the "hottest" months when they usually drop their flowers. Air conditioning has not been needed nearly as much since the humidity and temperatures have been low. If this is climate change, bring it on.
Arthur JacksonFebruary 25, 2015 12:54 am
Even the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), the world's foremost global warming alarmists, were recently forced to admit that there has been ZERO warming since at least 1998. Fifteen years without warming. That's quite a "pause".
B.C.February 25, 2015 12:37 am
"likely to accelerate after pause"? You writers are actually comedians. What are you going to tell us when it starts getting colder, kind of like it has been the past few years. I am laughing so hard right now I've got tears running down my face. You guys are RICH!
Kevin McGrathFebruary 25, 2015 12:30 am
Let's see if you don't support global warming you won't be posted? Very BRAVE policy.
BillFebruary 24, 2015 11:57 pm
Like with the deficits we are leaving, our children will curse us for refusing to address these problems now instead of leaving them all for them to suffer with.
TKFebruary 24, 2015 11:41 pm
So these King Tides never occurred before we started talking climate change? Is it not the moon's position that affects the tides? Has not the climate always been changing in some way? So the Marshall Islands never had to deal with bad weather I the past, until we started talking climate change? Look, no one really denies that the world climate has changed in the past, and will change in the future. It would be nice if we could just get to the point, which is how big of a check should we write, how much personal freedom should we give up....and then the climate will still be changing....there were vineyards in England in the Roman times, and the River Thames regularly froze solid most winters in Tudor times. 10000 years ago there was the Ice Age....Can I just write a check to the Marshall Islands, or do I need to go through some carbon consortium?
John MurrayFebruary 24, 2015 10:09 pm
Just read another article where they are trying to figure out the unequal global warming - in other words, they do NOT understand what the climate is doing. At the same time they keep trying to tell us that their models KNOW what the climate will do - despite how often they have been wrong on their predictions or have entirely missed things that then require tweaking of the model. The bottom line is they do NOT have enough understanding of the climate to be able to predict what it is or will be doing in a hundred years let alone tell everyone how to "control" it.
rukiddinmeFebruary 24, 2015 10:08 pm
Reporters are out to "change the world", they are ALL activists. The cover of being objective has worn thin and only generates laughs when invoked.
rukiddinmeFebruary 24, 2015 10:05 pm
All news stories that can possibly be tied with the global warming agenda already are and then some. There are no reporters anymore, just agenda driven propagandists for the left.
Todd NelsonFebruary 24, 2015 10:01 pm
Since the UN IPCC admitted there has been no statistical increase in global temperatures in over 18 years, and observed temperature readings since 1904 show less than 1/2 of 1 degree rise, there is, officially, no such thing as global warming in the last 111 years. It is possible the Marshall Islands are actually sinking, but even if there were the fraud called "climate change" the actual rise over the last 50 years amounts to less than 3 inches. Vladimir Putin is one leader who knows there is no global warming. It is the reason he wants the wheat fields of Ukraine. Before the Soviet Union broke up, it was the wheat fields of Ukraine that fed all of Russia. Putin's astrophyicists tell him the world is getting colder and that by the winter of 2016-2017 there is going to be noticeable cooling. This cooling would leave most of Russia's farm land unusable because the growing season will be too short to grow crops.
Get to Work PeopleFebruary 24, 2015 8:41 pm
Cleopatra's city is under 30 feet of water, has been for 1,600 years. Civilizations come and they go. To think the world stays constant is foolish, otherwise there would still be dino's roaming the Earth and no man.
Scooby DumbFebruary 24, 2015 8:15 pm
Hate it and wish there was a viable solution. Hopefully technology will come up with something but the idea that the world can get by with much less energy is a pipe dream at best.
jplaist002February 24, 2015 8:08 pm
I mock and ridicule all articles about rising sea levels. over 150-200 years maybe we have something to worry about, but not now. Maybe its not so much about rising sea levels, but sinking continents.
Fact CheckerFebruary 24, 2015 8:01 pm
A quick check on Wikipedia shows the HIGHEST point on these islands is 33 feet above sea level. Most is much, much lower.
VestiasFebruary 24, 2015 11:31 am
new models of development based on nature in fair and free world
CartoonmickFebruary 24, 2015 9:38 am
The politicians of this world need to move, move fast, and move NOW before it’s too late. (assuming it’s not too late already). Politicians are the only ones with authority over the polluters. If our politicians continue to be ineffective, then we are doomed to the scenario depicted in this cartoon . . . . https://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-205 Cheers Mick
Jon KahrFebruary 24, 2015 9:34 am
If the CO2 from one volcano can't even be controlled, how are we to believe that the climate of the entire earth can be controlled?
hotbluecar7February 24, 2015 2:32 am
May you have a wonderful trip to the Philippines and may both the Philippines and France solidify their relationship.
hotbluecar7February 23, 2015 11:52 pm
May you have a pleasant stay in the Philippines President Hollande. May both the Philippines and France solidify their friendship and be successful in their common goals. Both France and the Philippines are both advocates of freedom, democracy and liberty in the world. In history, France have spread freedom and democracy throughout the world and the Philippines is the land of people power 1 and people power 2. Both countries are also some of the most beautiful countries in the world. The beautiful French cities and countryside are known worldwide and the 7,107 islands of the Philippines is blessed by God with many natural wonders and beauty. It has numerous lakes, rivers, waterfalls, caves, forests, rich coral reef ecosystems, mountains, ancient rice terraces, chocolate hills, hot springs, cold springs, flora and fauna, exotic animals, limestone cliffs, mangroves, karst formations, a myriad of varieties of succulent tropical fruits, volcanoes, and thousands of tropical beaches that have crystal clear turquiose azure blue waters and have white sand, cream sand, brown sand, grey sand, black sand, pebble and Boulder, and yes, even pink sand beaches are also available. Sadly, a couple of its islands were devastated by the strongest hurricane/ typhoon/ cyclone in the history of the world but thank God...they are slowly but surely starting to build....may they built their cities hopefully better than before....Godwilling. May both you and President Aquino along with other Heads of State from around the world find solutions in decreasing carbon emissions and other pollutants that are causing climate change because it is for the betterment of all the world's societies. I hope you have a longer stay in the Philippines to see the beautiful beaches and natural wonders not just the Big Cities of Manila, Makati, and Bonifacio Global Cities and the devastated islands....but the true beauty of the Philippines are found in its natural wonders and it's people. I'm sure you will feel the warmth of the hospitable spirit of the Filipinos and may you go back again to the Philippines and stay longer next time. Good luck and God Bless.
Just the factsFebruary 23, 2015 10:02 pm
To all the anti-science troll commenters - you are pathetic and you are wrong, no matter how many times you repeat it. And to the author, you're wrong when you say skeptics were a big part of the story in early climate change reporting. I've covered it since the 1980s, You could hardly find a skeptic back then when it was all scientists in agreement. Skeptics emerged in the 1990s, more so post 2000, when oil industry and other vested interests started feeling threatened.
rudyspeaksFebruary 23, 2015 5:51 pm
Au contraire! The carbon industry alone provides millions of dollars a year, the Koch bros. millions more, to any "scientist" who wants to start with their conclusion and work backwards to "supporting evidence" (the opposite of real science). That is to say, funding is not the problem here.
John Saint-SmithFebruary 23, 2015 1:03 am
Worth noting that the Arctic sea ice numbers quoted are for mid-winter, when you would expect that the single year ice extent would be near a maximum - is still down by 6.3%. What this article fails to mention that the 'multi-year' permanent summer ice volume has been reduced by 70% since 1979. The increasing Antarctic sea ice in summer is counter-intuitive, especially given the accelerated movement of land ice glaciers. Clearly some other mechanism, quite different from the Northern Arctic Ocean melting process is in action. The explanation offered here is an hypothesis which needs extensive study. Lets not forget that while the West Coast has been much warmer than normal, the Eastern side of the US has been hit by record low temperatures and snowstorms - now clearly associated with radical changes in the jet stream patterns - evidence of massive forces brought about by increases in the energy being stored in the atmosphere. I suspect that the strange phenomenon of increasing summer sea ice in Antarctica will turn out to have a similar cause. As each decade of the global warming crisis unfolds we find yet another unpredicted consequence appears. What all sceptics always discount is the possibility that climate 'alarmists' have been too conservative in their predictions.
Ian HFebruary 22, 2015 10:51 am
So you don't understand the causes of the increased sea ice and yet you say it's definitely due to climate change. In fact a colleague of yours thinks it's within natural variability...but there's no large funding pots if you go down that route I suppose.
FlyovermanFebruary 22, 2015 4:05 am
Did it ever dawn on the climate zealots that the cause of their "confusion" is that their basic premise is false? An excellent indicator that support of "climate change" is not a matter of science but a belief bordering on being a religion.
BillFebruary 22, 2015 4:02 am
The sad thing is that anyone who has an interest in denying the existence of global warming will point to the raising anctarcic sea ice as proofe positive that it isn't happening with no training in climate science or any understanding of what is happening or why it's happening.
panchoFebruary 22, 2015 1:32 am
since you were born in the 21st century help out . help make a change you are a huge part of this, you were put on this earth to make a change
GoldenBoysFebruary 21, 2015 10:46 pm
I'm contacting all of your sponsors to let them know what lying purveyors of crap RTCC really is.
JeffFebruary 21, 2015 10:38 pm
So I can't wait to see how the deniers spin this.
GoldenBoysFebruary 21, 2015 10:35 pm
ARCTIC SEA ICE HOLDS UP IN 2014 - BBC SCIENTIFIC NEWS, Dec 14, 2014 Arctic Sea Ice Much More Resilient Than First Thought While global warming seems to have set the polar north on a path to floe-free summers, the latest data from Europe's Cryosat mission suggests it may take a while yet to reach those conditions. The spacecraft observed 7,500 cu km of ice cover in October when the Arctic traditionally starts its post-summer freeze-up. This was only slightly down on 2013 when 8,800 cu km were recorded. Two cool summers in a row have now allowed the pack to increase and then hold on to a good deal of its volume. And while the ice is still much reduced compared with the 20,000 cu km that used to stick around in the Octobers of the early 1980s, there is no evidence to indicate a collapse is imminent.
Captain KirkFebruary 21, 2015 10:29 pm
The problem with journalist and liberal politicians is they try to suppress scientific knowledge and facts they don't agree with. There is no debate. The number of times I've heard about a consensus and how science is settled make me angry. Leave science alone and stop suppressing opposing data. Carl Sagan (not exactly a denier) would have been incensed. He said, the suppression of science data may be acceptable in religion and politics but it is not the road to knowledge and has no place in science.
GoldenBoysFebruary 21, 2015 10:24 pm
What this article fails to be honest about, and this is consistent across the board with the pro-AGW crowd, that while Arctic Sea Ice is down 6.3% from the carefully selected 1981 -2010 average, it is UP 38% since 2011, based on NSIDC's own data. This means both Antarctic AND Arctic sea ice have increased considerably. The time for more honesty from AGW writers, bloggers and scientists is long overdue.
mdFebruary 21, 2015 9:33 pm
THIS SITE CENSORS DISSENTING OPINION
willemFebruary 21, 2015 9:19 pm
more sweat water at the surface = more sea ice, sweat water stays at the surface...was to be expected...the glaciers melt faster. the water ends up in the sea...
SeanFebruary 21, 2015 8:45 pm
The 44 percent increase must mean a whole heck of a lot of ice is melting from below the glaciers and flowing out to sea to create this thinner 2D winter sea ice extent. Basically, as Ted Scambos explains, you have ice melting under the glaciers (more inland), then the cold fresh water flows out to the sea ice extent and refreezes. Fresh water freezes easier than salt water (lower salinity).
flatusmFebruary 21, 2015 8:16 pm
Oh, I see. Warmer water causes more ice. With global warming, it might get so hot the whole earth is covered in ice. Scary.
Get to Work PeopleFebruary 21, 2015 6:22 pm
I guess this website does not believe in the 1st Amendment, except for themselves.
Get to Work PeopleFebruary 21, 2015 6:21 pm
Why even post here when all they do is delete them?
Get to Work PeopleFebruary 21, 2015 6:13 pm
Another super cold winter for 1/2 of the USA, SHATTERING records for COLD.... how will the "scientists" continue their sell for more and more money? I guess next year they will start the term Global Cooling!
Michael CurtisFebruary 21, 2015 6:11 pm
One of the biggest reasons sea ice increases or decreases is storms. It is pretty much always cold enough for sea ice to form, if the storms are bad the waves keep the water moving too much to freeze. Sea ice really doesn't matter, it has no effect on sea levels. The average high in the summer down there is 20 below zero.
grandpaezFebruary 21, 2015 5:59 pm
I don't see how you could even contend that arctic ice is declining. If you would look around you would see how foolish this is. The arctic now extends all the way to Boston now and is heading south at a growing rate of speed.
Earl DeckerFebruary 21, 2015 5:44 pm
disqus_wZkE071j96-----You offer no scientific proof only misconceptions, conjectures and opinions. Skeptics offer real observational and real temperature data not the finagled, adjusted and extrapolated ones the AGW scientists use in their failed models.
Earl DeckerFebruary 21, 2015 5:30 pm
Phlemming-The article is wrong and pattio2005 is right. There is no such thing as Antractic Artic sea or land ice. It is either Arctic or Antarctic . One is in the North Hemisphere (Arctic) the is in the Southern hemisphere (Antarctic).
DahunFebruary 21, 2015 3:51 pm
There was considerable melting in the Arctic and then it recovered. Antarctica ice mass and overage has expanded ever since satellites made it possible to measure, 30 years or so. The 18 year continuing Pause in any warming that can be attributed to the Global Warming Theory continues. The only reason anyone would be puzzled is because they are clinging to this failed theory. It is long past time that scientists spend their time working on science rather than wasting money on inaccurate models they continuously 'fine tune' to come up with results they want. With one pole 'mysteriously gaining ice one would have to assume some people think only half the globe is warming while the other half is getting colder. Proponents of warming disdainfully call people who know these facts 'deniers' I would suggest that those trying to keep alive a miserably failed theory for political or monetary gain are 'Clingers' clinging to failed science.
Mark TrullFebruary 21, 2015 3:42 pm
I guess they didn't measure ice mass before 1981
LogicFebruary 21, 2015 3:23 pm
It seems we have gained 38% more ice even after factoring in the loss of 6% in the Arctic. Here in TN. we are having another very cold winter after another mild summer. The global warming alarmist`s need to change the area`s where they take their readings.
grantFebruary 21, 2015 2:49 pm
How come the volcano, active volcano under water at the western continent is never mentioned as a reason why the waters are warmer? This volcano was found in 2010 from what I have read, is active and is warming the water. Why is that never considered for the melting of the ice at the western continent and a reason for the warmer waters, instead of "Climate Change" Do organizations get $$ for attributing everything to "Climate Change"?
Edward WoodFebruary 21, 2015 2:12 pm
If you don't understand why it's happening, what makes you think you can do anything about it?
Steven CohenFebruary 21, 2015 2:07 pm
It is normally so cold there that even a few degrees of warming would still mean temperatures well below zero and below the freezing point of sea water. This increase in sea ice does not disprove the global warming theory.
Kurt KuzbaFebruary 21, 2015 12:48 pm
So the water isn't warm enough to create the snows to maintain the inland fresh water resources, (glaciers), but it is warm enough to melt them around the edges and create sea ice that further limits the availability of water vapor to maintain inland fresh water resources. It is certainly cold enough inland to maintain the glaciers, were there enough water vapor available to do so.
DariuszFebruary 21, 2015 9:13 am
10% co2 rise and no global warming in the last 18 years or so and we have still discussion about this? I am a geologist that does and do palaeoclimate reconstructions for breakfast and you tell me that there is a danger? We are living on co2 starved planet the current co2 is lower than during the entire 4.6bln year earth history. But you did not know that because you are an environmental expert on the last 40 years.
Devon ShireFebruary 21, 2015 8:57 am
Every time ice increases in the Antarctic, it decreases in the Arctic. Because when it's winter in the South, it's summer in the North.
WarrenFebruary 20, 2015 8:00 pm
The only ones 'exposed' are the laughable Deniers of Science who would reject anything Science finds including Evolution, Vaccination, or Climate Change.
WarrenFebruary 20, 2015 7:58 pm
Yes, traditionally supported by the Dems, but now some Republicans are calling for action on this important issue: republicen.org
WarrenFebruary 20, 2015 7:56 pm
What political activism.....?
BobFebruary 20, 2015 7:16 pm
Well, just in time to cut that card and close that account.
Get to Work PeopleFebruary 20, 2015 7:08 pm
Very misleading headline.. they are not GIVING $100 billion.. they are loaning money... it will be backed by our government (taxpayers) and they will make lots of money from it... all while lining the pockets of connected politicians.
neoshoFebruary 20, 2015 6:57 pm
I don't agree with the view that California will experience greater winter precipitation in a warmer world. California has a Mediterranean climate, meaning winter MAXIMA in it's precipitation. As the climate warms, winter-like conditions which California depends upon to produce rain will simply go away. You think that the "Pineapple Express" will become more dependable in a warmer world? Then why doesn't it occur during the summer when it IS warmer? Duh!!
neoshoFebruary 20, 2015 6:50 pm
Weather forecasting has greatly improved in the last 30 years. I am constantly amazed at how they can accurately predict major storms one week out. The computer modeling which weather forecasting depends upon has improved enormously. Climate forecasting also relies heavily on computer models, but makes far greater generalizations about what is expected to occur.
GuyBBFebruary 20, 2015 6:48 pm
So, now we know the rest of the story... During the "Obama Stimulus Package", the big banks received hundreds of billions of dollars. Now, a pledge of 100 billion to "battle climate change", and we see taxpayer dollars diverted, laundered, and "donated" to fund propaganda, policy changes, and laws to force "climate action". Illegal. Immoral. Unscrupulous. Criminal treasonous conspiracy.
WarrenFebruary 20, 2015 6:14 pm
Thanks, and yes agreed.
Tom BurkeFebruary 20, 2015 1:25 pm
Good for you Louise. I have rarely found journalists who confuse their role with environmentlaists add much value. They really help by doing just what you said - reporting the facts and shouting at news editors. I have written a lot for newspapers and magazines over the years but it has never occurred to me to call myself a journalist. It would have been presumptuous. Tom Burke, Chairman, E3G
cupera1February 20, 2015 12:54 am
To turn all journalist into Brian Williams clones is not a good thing. They must some time be able to tell the truth and be believable. To turn them into paid shills is a great disservice.
rifflicksFebruary 19, 2015 11:02 pm
journalistic impartiality.......you're joking , right?......then you should recuse yourself from writing anything remotely related to "climate change"....otherwise ....you too are a Hack.
Paul BiggsFebruary 19, 2015 8:22 pm
"Climate change is happening" - no brown stuff Sherlock - when in the past wasn't it happening? CO2 is a greenhouse gas, adding CO2 to the atmosphere would be expected to cause some warming (if all things were equal) but anything over and above that is computer modeled speculation - models which run hotter than observations. Reporting unverifiable speculation about the future as fact has a name, but it isn't journalism. In fact Louise Gray can't even get her facts right about the Nobel Peace Prize (which isn't a scientific award). To quote the IPCC: the prize was awarded to the IPCC as a whole “and not to any individual associated with the IPCC. Thus it is incorrect to refer to any IPCC official, or scientist who worked on IPCC reports, as a Nobel laureate or Nobel Prize winner.” If it's that easy to stop "burning fossil fuels" and there were currently genuinely viable replacements, then we would already have done it. Let's see Louise Gray and her employers give up anything that is manufactured by, or uses fossil fuels now!
Jack MaloneyFebruary 19, 2015 7:22 pm
Pachauri is not, as stated, a "climate scientist." His only degrees are in economics and engineering.
charlesxFebruary 19, 2015 7:19 pm
The relentless biased political activism from journalists such as Jon Snow and the team at RTCC is one of the reasons for declining trust in journalism and in climate science.
John_in_OzFebruary 19, 2015 6:25 pm
It's not your job to persuade us of your opinion, nor of the IPCC's opinion. It's your job to ask the hard questions, and let us decide if the facts warrant action. You mention the IPCC's Peace Prize- this was for their efforts to avoid the wars climate change was going to bring. When and where are these wars and all the refugees they were predicted to bring? Why haven't they happened? Perhaps the facts these questions reveal will warrant your concern- but you haven't even asked the questions. Isn't the Arab Spring and the rise of ISIS caused by food riots arising from the increase in the price of food when the anti-global warming activists started feeding food to cars not people? Perhaps not- but how can we tell if it is or isn't when you don't even ask the questions? What little I've seen of your work leaves me thinking you're a churnalist, Your 'hard questions' are no more probing than a backbencher's Dorothy Dix's. You wonder why you have failed to engage the public? That's why.
garmFebruary 19, 2015 5:05 pm
How wonderful to see that the WWF activists have infiltrated the UN and the UN/IPCC. Hope my country will be the first to leave the UN and its activists.
meganrowlingFebruary 19, 2015 3:41 pm
I am also an environmental journalist (http://www.trust.org/climate/), and believe we should do something about climate change. As well as standing up for our right to believe in climate change, I'd also like to stand up for the "environmental campaigners". There is very little understanding in my view of who these people are, and what they are trying to do. There are many different types - some focused on polar bears and orangutans, others focused on forests, and others focused on how climate stresses are hitting the world's poor people. I listen to the latter in particular, because I feel that those they 'represent' mostly don't have a voice in the climate change debate. Ideally they would (and occasionally do), but I don't see that changing any time soon, and their perspectives deserve to be heard, even through an intermediary. I get frustrated with the way the message is conveyed sometimes, and I don't believe every word. But most of the "environmental campaigners" I know are very smart people who are totally dedicated to doing something about climate change, and if it weren't for them, journalists wouldn't know half as much about what is going on inside the climate negotiations, for example. Of course, we need to treat the information we receive from them with the usual journalistic impartiality, but I am not ashamed of being close to "environmental campaigners" - if I weren't, I wouldn't be doing my job.
00TATEXASFebruary 19, 2015 1:13 pm
Journalists should be non biased and report only the facts. i know I am having a hard time typing and laughing at the same tme.
PygmalionFebruary 19, 2015 10:15 am
Journalists have long been climate change campaigners, as it is an issue strongly identified with the political left, and unambiguously claimed as such by the current president of the US, and the secretary of state (who appears to have missed the powerpoint about what his job is supposed to be). There are winds of change, however. In France, despite a very vociferous and proudly left inclination in most of the press, journalists have ceased talking about global warming for about the past decade. Prior to that, it was common to see articles and programming in France similar to what one sees today in the US, but to their credit, as prediction after prediction failed to materialize, and the present looks more and more the opposite of the gloom stories told by global warming purveyors, journalists and networks have caught on that this thing would come back to bite them if they pushed it too hard. I have not seen any journalistic mention of global warming, other than two uncommitted words in passing, in about ten years.
Arcanum Arcanorum (虚空)February 19, 2015 6:25 am
We're already locked in to 1.5C. 2C is nearly impossible to achieve. What to do, considering positive feedbacks in the carbon cycle?
Arcanum Arcanorum (虚空)February 19, 2015 6:15 am
We need to understand that our choices now amount to a healthy environment and stable climate, or extinction. What other outcome can there be for humans if the world reaches 6C or more?
Arcanum Arcanorum (虚空)February 19, 2015 5:57 am
They wouldn't be in this situation if they hadn't deforested a lot of the water-retaining forest that once covered the Amazon.
Arcanum Arcanorum (虚空)February 19, 2015 5:53 am
Care to explain what caused the Permian–Triassic extinction event? Because humanity is currently heading in that direction.
jabbadonutFebruary 19, 2015 5:08 am
After what the U.N. has said, I imagine most journalists are trying to distance themselves from "climate change" as fast as they can. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot. The alarmists have been exposed, and this climate change catastrophe nonsense is being revealed for what it actually is. A conspiracy against capitalism and the West that exists on a global basis. That our own government is buying into this lunacy is truly depressing.
Uncle Sam Gone BadFebruary 19, 2015 4:56 am
You can try to be the first to comment -- But they had better like what you comment if you want to get on here -- Now that's what journalism really is -- Propaganda
kenFebruary 19, 2015 4:48 am
Sure if they are willing to lose all their journalistic credibility... I expect journalist to report the facts and let me decide..
Bruce WilliamsFebruary 19, 2015 4:21 am
Let the journalist prattle on, Very few are objective so their input holds little weight. The scam is on and they are buying it. I wonder how they would have reported the ice age. Follow Al Gore and the money you will see who profits. Don't forget Obama who says no one needs more than 200k for retirement. He will get almost that in an undeserved retirement salary. So we should assume he will be donating ALL of the millions he will make in speaking and book deals. Oh wait, he is above all of us so it won't apply. Follow his money. He will cash in on the global warming hoax. Climate change? hell yeah. It has been changing since the beginning of time. How much do you think the scientist are making on this in salary and grant money. Wake up folks.
CartoonmickFebruary 19, 2015 4:08 am
Journalists must give more oxygen to the problems of climate change and mans' influence on this change. Governments are the only ones with the authority to change laws which will combat the problem, but they won't because big biz have them under control. Journos are the only ones who can keep up the pressure and force pollies to do something about it. Make them listen to the scientists. Otherwise, nothing will change (for the good), and the situation will remains as illustrated in this cartoon . . . https://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-775 Cheers Mick
Edward WoodFebruary 19, 2015 3:20 am
Back in the old days, journalists were objective, they used to say, "We don't make the news, we just report it." Also, back in the old days, journalists had gravitas: they were serious professionals whom people trusted and respected. Nowadays, Democrat spin doctors who call themselves journalists take no pains to hide their leftist bias. And they all think they're comedians, making idiotic jokes about positions they oppose. This, not Fox News, has eroded their credibility. So if you feel the need to push climate change alarmism into every news item, feel free to do so. And we'll feel free to change the channel.
agsbFebruary 19, 2015 1:23 am
No, journalist should not get into this because they would lose creditability. Look how credible the government is becoming trying to convince everyone that it is warming when 1/2 the country is frozen in!
Cardfanatic6666February 19, 2015 12:32 am
I'm so old I remember when journalists were objective, and presented both sides so the citizen could make an informed decision. But now they all want to "make a difference" which means, they all have an agenda, and they pick and choose what to cover and how to cover it to further their agenda. Global warming activists have changed the numbers and everyone knows it, but "truth" does not need fabricated numbers. Only liars need fabricated numbers.
Jeff ParkerpetersenFebruary 19, 2015 12:13 am
The corals are actually RESTORING THEMSELVES!! My God....pay attention!
Jens HvassFebruary 19, 2015 12:11 am
Unlike most news media RTCC has managed to establish relevant news perspectives for each and every day of not only a two-week COP, but more impressively for the preparations, for the implications, and for all the in-between meetings as well. Simply saying that there is not much news in a COP, that it is old news that climate change is destroying our future etc. is not worthy of a journalist or a decent news media. If you did same argument with soccer, celebrities, films, dining, elections, accidents, travels, wars and X-factors - our media would soon be blank spaces except for the commercials. Yes, it takes some skills to comprehend the drama, the intrigues, the underlying facts and fractions of the climate negotiation process and all the forces defining the transition of the fossil society - and even more to make this complex process vivid and relevant to normal readers. It questions the very notion of news. But that is the challenge of the journalist of our time, if you want anything more than adding to the noise of the perceived news. Here Zoe Williams is so on the spot: “Professional neutrality is pandering to the status quo. If you let that stand for journalism you’re making a much bigger ideological mistake.” Maybe the term is not activist or campaigner, but simply by presenting the news not only as a standalone news but in a full perspective, by helping people understanding the climate & sustainability challenge more in-depth through their daily news, journalists while preserving their full integrity can become midwifes of the birth of the post-fossil society .
DJFebruary 19, 2015 12:09 am
Lip service, the Indonesians never do anything they promise to do, watch 5 years time from now, they will still be talking about it. They promised to clamp down on people smuggling into Australia, business is booming so shows another example of them saying something and just continuing on business as usual.
AdolphuswFebruary 18, 2015 11:43 pm
I would much prefer journolists simply tell the truth, an expose on this fraud of the century. There would be no shortage of material. First, dig into the powers that be behind the scenes that benefit from the fraud, cover their shenanigans over the past two decades, the lies, the cover ups. Then cover the incestuous relationship between the democrat party and these politicized "scientists" who give them talking points masquerading as science. Lastly, present the other side, the "deniers" who stand on fact. It would be refreshing to actually hear and see the truth from the main stream media.
felikschFebruary 18, 2015 10:53 pm
Climate-scientists run "Rapid Response"-blogs since many years already and there certainly is enough twittering going on. What is lacking is transparency and honesty, and the open admission that they don't know enough. Sound policy is not built on fear, nor on hope; it has to rest on facts and thorough understanding.
BillFebruary 18, 2015 10:23 pm
Kind of a say nothing substantial but make a point article. Take the line: "If scientists are right, then the world has around 30 years..." without denoting which scientists but kind of inferring all scientists. The article also states that people tend to trust Wikipedia more than journalists, well that is because people see what the author is referring to by advocacy of journalists. All to often people are treated to views and not news when watching broadcast journalism. What ever happened to in depth journalism where the tough questions are asked such as, "where is the money coming from, and who is to gain?" We will start trusting journalists when they only present facts and not opinions.
Arthur WiltonFebruary 18, 2015 10:11 pm
Journalists should not take sides or campaign. However, the overwhelming majority of climate scientists believe that anthropogenic climate change is real and quite dangerous. This is a legitimate part of the climate change story and should be included in reports about climate change controversies. On the other hand, some experts question the consensus view on some points, such as the accuracy of climate models. This also should be reported.
Michael CurtisFebruary 18, 2015 10:09 pm
"It’s our job to report the news in an accurate, fair and engaging fashion." WELL said, and when it starts I will be even more impressed. Here in the US most journalists are cheerleaders and you can easily tell what side you are getting.
tmalthus2010February 18, 2015 10:03 pm
When the first sentence in an article is a bare-faced lie, the rest tends to follow.
Marine Core SoldierFebruary 18, 2015 9:49 pm
Only a Democrat would ask if the Press should remain neutral.
David RFebruary 18, 2015 9:41 pm
The ones I hear are usually pretty smart, and know to trust well educated scientists on this subject. I guess I don't come across those "journalist" just out for a name, and ratings. I put my trust in NASA.
PenoceaFebruary 18, 2015 9:41 pm
What is a journalists to do? Do not call yourself a journalist if you cannot separate truth from your opinion of it. Climate Change is a scam.
HighSnidesFebruary 18, 2015 9:36 pm
Journalists have gotten lazy and often confuse blogging with reporting. Its too easy to search for information on the internet instead of investigating sources and verifying the information you find. And, there is no doubt, at least in the US, that the media has taken sides in a very big way. As Zoe Williams demonstrates, they think it is their obligation to take a side if they think that side is right. What she does not get is that by deciding who is right is an opinion, not a fact and reporting opinions as facts is not reporting. Its editorializing which is supposed to be confined to the editorial pages. You can see the media today only investigates what it wants to and makes an issue out of the things it wants to. The media ignored a story about the US justice department selling guns to Mexican drug cartels after covering Iran-contra for 8 years non-stop. The media is ignoring the IRS scandal as it ignored Benghazi. Worse yet, they label anyone who does report on it a right wing extremist. This despite a colleague who claims her PC was hacked into by the US government simply because she did dare to report on Benghazi! So much for freedom of the press. So in Zoe Williams terms, the media has decided Obama is always right and therefore will not do its job in reporting on anything that may appear to be corruption in Obama's administration. This sounds more like Pravda than the American free press.
Lary BreedingFebruary 18, 2015 9:07 pm
How I long for the day when reporter's reported the news and didn't try to advocate for a particular political point of view. What is it about reporter's today that make the think their view are more important than the story. I think that is the reason that more and more reporter's today are being caught in lies and their stories debunked. It is sad how far journalism has fallen and that fall starts in the journalism classes they take in college and continues into the real world.
Mike HeuerFebruary 18, 2015 9:02 pm
If they become "campaigners," they aren't journalists.
Tom ServoFebruary 18, 2015 8:45 pm
"If scientists are right, then the world has around 30 years of business as usual emissions before long term warming of above 2C is locked into the system" So ALL "scientists" say that? What about the thousands of scientists - yes, real working scientists with published papers - who maintain that the evidence shows that the fears are ridiculously overhyped?
David William ReidFebruary 18, 2015 8:43 pm
Journalists report news. Not playing indoctrination politics.
Bill589February 18, 2015 8:40 pm
Campaigning for one POV is not reporting the whole truth. If we’re not getting the truth, why even listen to the words that come out of their mouths? To say the least, The science is NOT settled. Journalists search for the truth, and helps, "Keep them honest" (as Anderson Cooper says). Don’t lose this for ‘Global Warming’, or 'Peace on Earth', or anything else. The People's access to the Truth matters. Even if it's truth we don't want to hear. It's already hard to believe some 'Journalists'. Don't make it harder. Give us the facts. Clearly labeled argument of the meaning of the facts by pros on both sides too. We The People can then make an informed decision and act accordingly.
DanWFebruary 18, 2015 8:36 pm
Equally, as editor, I’m reasonably happy to take the advice of the major scientific bodies who say climate change is a real and present danger. - Except you also have to report that scientific community is using data that has been falsified or created to fit the narrative. Don't take sides, report both sides fairly and let us make up our own minds.
DanWFebruary 18, 2015 8:31 pm
Your job is to deliver facts. Period. Full stop.
richardstarrFebruary 18, 2015 8:28 pm
It might help if Journalists actually researched things instead of blindly trusting anyone wearing a white coat. How many years did they believe the guy who lied about the link between autism and immunizations? You have journalists screaming screaming 97%, yet don't bother to check the facts behind the numbers, which results in a far less compelling headline, but actually reflects the facts instead. When you look behind the actual question and answers it comes down to do humans effect climate vs are humans the primary reason for the change. Effect in scientific terms = measurable. They also fail to revisit the story. How many of the predictions made by the movie "An inconvenient truth" have failed to happen? No one questions the "truth" they want to see. If all a journalist does is publish the notes from an ideologue then they are nothing but lazy parrots with less brains.
Robert MorettiFebruary 18, 2015 8:21 pm
Should journalists become campaigners for ANY issue? Of course not. Then they cease to be journalists and become activists.
BIll TestonFebruary 18, 2015 8:08 pm
Journalists should be impartial. When a Journalist has been purchased, he is no longer a journalist, he is now a lapdog mouthpiece that does what he's told.
William HayesFebruary 18, 2015 4:56 pm
"As editor, I’m reasonably happy to take the advice of the major scientific bodies who say climate change is a real and present danger" ... as opposed to taking the advice of ... what or whom? Do you really think there is a reasonable alternative?
Anne PerksFebruary 18, 2015 11:24 am
Is APP really the biggest pulp and paper company in the world? I think there are some bigger US and Russian ones. International Paper? Nevertheless, APP's commitment will only have a meaningful effect on global GHG if other companies start to follow suit. Unfortunately, they won't because they see APP being targeted still. The environmentalists are experts at telling stories that attack companies (and they will very happily omit details and present emotive lines to tell a negative story). They must now learn to tell positive stories in the same way (omit a few details and offer some positive words). APP's global competitors need to feel worried that APP is going to start stealing their business. At the moment, they're just glad the environmentalists are focussing on APP and not them. In the meantime, they're slashing down natural forests and undermining the whole process. Generally speaking, too many companies are left to their own devices. They need to start feeling some pressure from all those companies exceeding their standards. That's how this will all work. The time has come for environmentalists to start overly praising the likes of APP (ie positive spin not negative spin). That'll make those operating less unsustainably in the shadows sit up and listen.
vancecoFebruary 18, 2015 4:26 am
How will this impact the 2016 Olympics in Rio..?
Adam_AntatheistFebruary 17, 2015 9:50 pm
It just gets dafter and dafter and dafter for wind turbines. For all of 2014, the average capacity factor for all of Germany's wind turbines was 15.85% - that means they're generating about half of the power that manufacturers and pro-wind politicians want us to believe. The average turbine size in Germany is 1.5 MW. So for 2014, these 400 feet high monstrosities could just about boil 80 x 3 kW electric kettles. Imagine this array of kettles placed at the base of one of these turbines - they would fit inside a rectangle measuring 6 feet x 5 feet. Ifr Ed Davey has a modicum of environmental concern, how on Earth can he justify the destruction of ecosystems, the loss of wildlife and the environmental pollution brought about by such a disproportionate waste of precious resources? Just do a search for - "dafter and dafter and dafter"
Edward WoodFebruary 17, 2015 3:21 pm
I'd be interested to look back ten years ago, at the predictions of doom and gloom if this treaty was not passed. Global temperatures have not skyrocketed, the polar ice caps have not melted away, the sky has not fallen.
Gerald KutneyFebruary 17, 2015 12:22 pm
The failure of Kyoto is well stated above. The UN will not solve this; it must first start with China, the US and the EU. For more see "Carbon Politics and the Failure of the Kyoto Protocol."
DonalduckFebruary 17, 2015 6:38 am
This is a good beginning and if India is successful other developing nations can follow. The bottom line is to break away from fossil and dependency on the middle east oil.
englishFebruary 17, 2015 1:42 am
No matter what scientists say, even the Brazilian minister of science and technology denies global warming. Former president Lula da Silva has said repeatedly that God is Brazilian!
ShubeFebruary 17, 2015 12:31 am
Welcome to the new California .
tomFebruary 17, 2015 12:07 am
Politicians can't make it rain, but they can make it worse...
gwayneFebruary 16, 2015 10:48 pm
A more than serious problem and a positive connection between rain forest eradication and this more frequent drought circumstance then there may be no immediate remedies on the horizon. The link to rain forest eradication is a proven one and immediate planting of fast growing trees in marginal areas where food crops are not intended like the many Paulownia varieties that can create a valuable product as well as quickly capturing carbon that has become an overwhelming problem for our modern civilizations can be a partial solution along with establishing the renewable energy solutions that will also help reduce our dependance on fossil fuels that the scientists state is the biggest problem of our planet and that will not go away any time soon. AGW has become a problem that has been proven to be connected to our fossil fuel use.The future is in our hands and if we take it seriously, we can make the changes necessary to continue our existence even though many of our wasteful lifestyles will become sacrificial in the process.
charlieKFebruary 16, 2015 4:54 pm
Just another manifestation of global warming.
BRRFebruary 16, 2015 4:30 pm
I thought weather and climate were two unrelated things, at least that is what we have been told. Now AGW is going to cause severe dry weather in the years to come. This is the 2nd article today about dire prognostications based on computer projections. "it's gonna get worse" is the AGW mantra.
Max HalliburtonFebruary 16, 2015 4:01 pm
why do these folks believe that they can predict the future when they cannot even predict what the weather will ACTUALLY be two days from now?
LeilaM12February 15, 2015 3:40 pm
I am absolutely disgusted and appaled to RTCC allows its site to become a cesspool of climate deniers. There are precious few corners of the web already that are safe from oil-funded White men raging about "eco-fascism" (see this comment section). I also expect better from RTCC - I am certain RTCC KNOWS why PopSci shut off its comment section. I strongly recommend either comment moderation or a complete closing of the comment section. PLEASE, I beg you, allow me at least this ONE website to be spared from any climate denial freaks.
CCCCCFebruary 15, 2015 1:41 pm
It looks like a religious festival.
BlueScreenOfDeathFebruary 14, 2015 4:53 pm
Ah, same old same old... There will be one thing and one thing only decided by the get-together in Paris. Which five star luxury resort to hold the next multi-billion-dollar blowout at, complete with a "carbon footprint" in a couple of weeks greater than a year for many small developing countries. What a joke!
SageThinkerFebruary 14, 2015 1:06 pm
We need a serious carbon fee and rebate. We need to tax fossil fuels, and then recycle the revenue into the economy so everyone can invest in efficiency and clean energy. Simple and done.
PygmalionFebruary 14, 2015 10:30 am
Sorry - Climate "deal" is not moving closer.
socalpaFebruary 14, 2015 10:23 am
What ..exactly...have they...."Denied" ?
socalpaFebruary 14, 2015 8:57 am
Did anyone check the results of the 6 million response U.N. .poll last year ? - Climate Change came in at the Bottom of problems facing the World. - Yes....# 16 out of 16 . After 25 years of Scary projections and headlines. UN was so upset by the result they hired an International PR firm ..Who changed the story to a carbon tax will reduce bad weather and Droughts. Even more Unbelievable as Catastrophic Global Warming. - So...who voted for these people who are trying cut the availability and double the costs of energy and transportation Worldwide ? - When was the vote on a "limit of 2C" temp rise voted on taken ? By whom ?
tmalthus2010February 14, 2015 6:20 am
The Big Hustle is on!
Scott1154February 14, 2015 4:44 am
Look at Gaspar Martins trying to get his hands on some loot.
PygmalionFebruary 14, 2015 12:40 am
The Paris conference will not make big news in Paris - if it is mentioned at all. Americans should understand they are the only ones left still talking about this thing...
JabdocFebruary 13, 2015 6:15 pm
Frightening statistics! Our honeymoon isle will soon be under water. I'm doing tomorrows shopping by foot or bike not car.
acmeFebruary 13, 2015 3:40 pm
Wow. Breaking ranks. This is certainly a step in the right direction. The fossil fuel industry has had their heads uniformly in the sand up to now. Hoping they could keep the future from happening. How long could they keep that up? Their only hope is to follow this gentleman's brave lead and salvage some relevance for the future. Will they become "energy" companies, whatever that means in the future? It's up to them to shape and define that relevance now. Or continue to sink into history.
Peter BlaskoFebruary 13, 2015 8:17 am
Saleemul Huq is of course wrong to claim that omission of 'loss and damage' provisions in a Paris agreement would render it "useless". It might be unjust and politically insensitive, but it would not be useless. If the source of our woes is excessive greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, then any agreement which substantially reduces those emissions, or which otherwise reduces atmospheric greenhouse gases, should be welcome. Many of the nations near the front of the 'loss and damages' queue are not significant contributors to greenhouse gas emissions, nor do they offer a means of lowering atmospheric greenhouse gases. In that sense, it doesn't matter much whether they support an international mitigation strategy or not. The challenge is to bring the developed nations and the large-population developing nations to an agreement in which both invest in reducing atmospheric greenhouse gases. At this stage the developed nations are offering lip service to the issue, but have not been willing to spend the money and to suffer the losses necessary to bring their carbon emissions down to the levels recommended by climate experts. And large population developing countries are, understandably, prioritizing economic development over emissions reductions. To bring these groups together on emissions reductions and/or engineered reductions in atmospheric greenhouse gases would be a substantial and important achievement. Then there is the separate issue of investing in adaption endeavors at home and abroad, as well as providing assistance and compensation for those who suffer the worst impacts of the changes caused by the wanton abuse of our environment.
Smarter than Your Average BearFebruary 13, 2015 4:39 am
Yesterday the University of British Columbia, one of Canada's largest and most prestigious universities, announced it was divesting. The momentum is buliding
spec9February 12, 2015 7:52 pm
Nice to see them fighting hard. But the reality is that the lack of action so far has actually made it impossible to even stay below 2 degrees C. Between what we've spewed and what will continue to spew, I can't see how it will be possible to stay below 2 C. We have already gone up 0.8 C.
Mohammed Ataur RahmanFebruary 12, 2015 6:19 am
Good initiation. I hope USA, China and India will also cut emission proportionately and let the world save from Global warming.
Pulak BaruaFebruary 11, 2015 6:54 pm
Cannot agree more than what has been written in this article. It is very evident that anthropogenic actions have already resulted into different climate change impacts which we have already started to face in different parts of the world. So loss and damage is very much the immediate reality and without addressing these if we only plan for future adaptation and mitigation is like shying away from the reality specially when we know that if we stop all kind of GHGs emission today itself, even then we will continue to face lots of loss and damage for what we have done so far!
curtaincall23February 11, 2015 5:30 pm
Ignoring Loss and Damage will render the text incomplete. We have a chance in Paris to get it right, let's follow through with it.
Barbara SmithFebruary 10, 2015 8:40 pm
Kind of pessimistic about this. Has the world ever done a collective, voluntary action like this before? (War doesn't count.) I want to believe.
Mary LeeFebruary 10, 2015 5:33 pm
China is also in Nicaragua and starting to dig a canal, like Panama, uprooting indigenous people's, offering them 2 chickens and a rooster to give up their ancestral homes and Nicaragua lake the source of the only clean water and ancient environment home of endangered animal and environment. Is this to create a quick access to USA or some other political or military agenda?
Walt PalmerFebruary 10, 2015 4:56 pm
This is a really clear and well written summary. Thanks
womenwantingFebruary 10, 2015 2:55 am
How sad that these absolutely critical UN negotiations could not have gender balanced leadership.
WarrenFebruary 10, 2015 1:23 am
I recommend the website climate.nasa.com for the answers to your questions.
WarrenFebruary 10, 2015 1:22 am
Irreparable harm has not yet been caused by AGW, and the Science doesn't claim it has.
PygmalionFebruary 10, 2015 1:00 am
What do you know - you put up $300 billion yearly and everyone in the world seems to want a piece of it!! The IPCC cannot possibly process all the requests, given that they spend 10h of every day in posh restaurants...
socalpaFebruary 9, 2015 9:55 pm
She has plenty of "backbone" . However, due to Energiewende., German energy costs have nearly doubled (up 60%) in just a few years and Energiewende is openly mocked on T.V. - Result ? Greens went from 22% to 8% of Parliament in the last election.
AndyFebruary 9, 2015 8:58 pm
This is just not true. On a cost per tonne of CO2 avoided CCS is actually hugely more economically viable than wind and still more than solar. If climate change is the question then CCS most certainly has to be a key part of the solution. If, however, you just want to get rid of 'vested' interests and fossil fuel companies for other reasons, then no, CCS is not your answer. All depends on priorities...
ReddlerFebruary 9, 2015 4:45 pm
The only one between Obama and Merkel who doesn't understand that green power doesn't work is Merkel. Obama is going to be right no matter what the cost to US taxpayers. Europe is moving away from green power. It is too unreliable.
GuyBBFebruary 9, 2015 3:44 pm
"Since then, the US has brought China, the world’s biggest emitter, round to a bilateral agreement on climate change." Really? That's a laugh! First of all, China didn't even claim that they would make any attempt to decrease their rate of growth until 2030. Then, they "will do what they can"... So, a completely non-binding "agreement", that allows China to do what it wants for another 15 years, while never actually committing to doing ANYTHING even then? Way to negotiate! What a victory!
AnthonyFebruary 9, 2015 5:43 am
She's a nice person. Too bad she doesn't have any "backbone".
WarrenFebruary 8, 2015 8:22 pm
Correct
WarrenFebruary 8, 2015 8:22 pm
What??
WarrenFebruary 8, 2015 8:21 pm
It seems your post doesn't fit the category of objective science. All the worlds institutions of science--the Science Academies, scientific professional associations, major universities NASA and NOAA, conclude AGW. NO exceptions. Scientific evidence contradicting AGW does not exist on planet earth
Jimmy SmithFebruary 7, 2015 2:48 pm
And you are wrong. Both have done science that refutes the left wing alamist viewpoint. That is what generates the attacks.
Jimmy SmithFebruary 7, 2015 2:46 pm
It seems more and more good empirically based science published today tends to show the climate models overestimating their temp forecasts. As one educated in computer modeling and statistics this concerns me greatly. It seems the empirical measure of about a degree C a century warming is about right since the last ice age. I just want to know why all the panic when temps, ocean rise, ocean acidification, and numerous other climate indicators seem to be within the normal parameters of the systems. To find this one must dig through tremendous reams of hype and overstatement and see what the data says eschewing any political aspect thereof--from either the left or the right. These two statements in the article make untenable assumptions about climate. "Perhaps the contentiousness is surprising because all actions proposed for climate change need to be enacted irrespective of climate change. Fossil fuels are a finite resource. We have no option but to reduce our dependence on them. Similarly, it might be too late to stop many of climate change’s impacts, so we need adjust to the new climate regime. That entails buildings which can cope with high and low temperatures; improved water and food supplies; and reducing the damage from floods, droughts, storms, and other weather extremes." "because all actions proposed for climate change need to be enacted irrespective of climate change." I would argue that this assertion falls afoul of what the real data says about climate. My assertion: climate change is far down on the list of problems most needed to be dealt with. Furthermore it makes a reasoning fallacy of appeal to authority--that is climate scientists who believe in catastrophic warming are right with a capital R without having to demonstrate so. We are seeing increases in food supplies on the order of 15% says the University of Illinois due to the extra co2. Furthermore, satellite images show the earth greener than in decades(before c02 began rising). Last, extreme weather events, hurricanes, tornadoes, and, droughts are at a 50 year low. One factor no one talks about is that we can more accurately measure weather events than ever before. This leads to a measurement error (statistically speaking)---just because we measure more storms now does not mean there are actually more storms, it just means measurement technology in the past missed data we can capture today. California is a perfect example of that. We read daily of droughts in California, however we do not read that the overload of population has drained every aquifer and rains are far behind to return them even to low level. But we do hear that climate change is responsible for the drought. More reasoning by forgone conclusion or if one is statistically astute--confirmation bias. Most of note was that 2013 and 2014 were two years of least extreme weather events according to NASA. To sum it up, I am highly suspicious of both right and left arguments. The demonization of so called deniers such as me only makes the catastrophic climate argument weaker because it is not evidence based. And evidence based public policy is at an all time low now in all branches of government and the private sector.
Jimmy SmithFebruary 7, 2015 11:50 am
It seems more and more good empirically based science published today tends to show the climate models overestimating their temp forecasts. As one educated in computer modeling and statistics this concerns me greatly. It seems the empirical measure of about a degree C a century warming is about right since the last ice age. I just want to know why all the panic when temps, ocean rise, ocean acidification, and numerous other climate indicators seem to be within the normal parameters of the systems. To find this one must dig through tremendous reams of hype and overstatement and see what the data says eschewing any political aspect thereof--from either the left or the right. These two statements in the article make untenable assumptions about climate. "Perhaps the contentiousness is surprising because all actions proposed for climate change need to be enacted irrespective of climate change. Fossil fuels are a finite resource. We have no option but to reduce our dependence on them. Similarly, it might be too late to stop many of climate change’s impacts, so we need adjust to the new climate regime. That entails buildings which can cope with high and low temperatures; improved water and food supplies; and reducing the damage from floods, droughts, storms, and other weather extremes." "because all actions proposed for climate change need to be enacted irrespective of climate change." I would argue that this assertion falls afoul of what the real data says about climate. My assertion: climate change is far down on the list of problems most needed to be dealt with. Furthermore it makes a reasoning fallacy of appeal to authority--that is climate scientists who believe in catastrophic warming are right with a capital R without having to demonstrate so. We are seeing increases in food supplies on the order of 15% says the University of Illinois due to the extra co2. Furthermore, satellite images show the earth greener than in decades(before c02 began rising). Last, extreme weather events, hurricanes, tornadoes, and, droughts are at a 50 year low. One factor no one talks about is that we can more accurately measure weather events than ever before. This leads to a measurement error (statistically speaking)---just because we measure more storms now does not mean there are actually more storms, it just means measurement technology in the past missed data we can capture today. California is a perfect example of that. We read daily of droughts in California, however we do not read that the overload of population has drained every aquifer and rains are far behind to return them even to low level. But we do hear that climate change is responsible for the drought. More reasoning by forgone conclusion or if one is statistically astute--confirmation bias. Most of note was that 2013 and 2014 were two years of least extreme weather events according to NASA. To sum it up, I am highly suspicious of both right and left arguments. The demonization of so called deniers such as me only makes the catastrophic climate argument weaker because it is not evidence based. And evidence based public policy is at an all time low now in all branches of government and the private sector.
StanleyFebruary 7, 2015 11:26 am
Could capture the 99% coming from nature too but the green movements coal bad man bad will get in the way. IE look what's been done to SO2 a know coolant. Scrubbers have cleaned SO2 out of the atmosphere pretty well. Plants and tree do a pretty good job of it. Should put plants on the roofs of large buildings like Ford's green manufacturing plant. Save energy heating and cooling. Suppose burning wood will make a come back too.
EmmittBrownBTTF1February 7, 2015 7:16 am
There is no such thing as safe fracking. Like there is no such thing as safe trepanney.
morestuffFebruary 7, 2015 5:37 am
time to quit using coal and move on
Dan EFebruary 7, 2015 4:59 am
when you censor reasonable posts like I have made, it makes the case for global warming one of censorship.
Dan EFebruary 7, 2015 4:22 am
Science demands hypothesis testing with empirical data, not dubious claims made based on models whose data made up also. The way to test if climate change is real theory is whether the predictions have come even close to being validated by nature. We were harangued with claims that there would be no more snow by 2009, the Arctic circles would be ice free by 2010, and extremes of weather would be so out of control we would virtually not be able live on the earth by 2012. Not to mention that famous prediction that three quarters of the earth's population would be wiped away by climate change by 2012. Each one of these predictions can be documented by YouTube videos-- they give you the exact words of those who made them whether they were public policy wonks, so-called climate scientists or government officials. In each case the prediction was not only wrong it was laughably wrong. More and more peer-reviewed science is coming forward to show that the estimates are far in excess of what they should be. Lord Monckton and two other authors just published an article in the Science Bulletin. An IPCC scientist attempted to have the article thrown out and was denied because the science was unassailable. I'm going to post the link to that article and a couple of other graphs that will show you just how off the mark climate science tends to be. Climate researchers in Australia used datasets from our meteorological Society to construct the first graph which shows .8°C warming since 1850. This is about the warming one would expect to naturally occur given that we are post Ice Age and in a warming climate anyway. Furthermore oceans as far as we can determine have only risen 7-8 inches per century since the last ice age. So none of this is out of whack with the natural variation of the climate. I would appreciate it if climate alarmists would not assign so much credence to predictions that just have no basis in empirical fact. I forgot something; I grew up during the 1970s and then it was the scare of global cooling. Climatologists swore that if we didn't do something in a hurry that the glaciers would cover Kansas City by 1995. As we all know no glaciers even came close. So as common sense precaution it's natural to take predictions that are 5, 10 or 50 years out with a large grain of salt. Statistically speaking the same predictions can never have a 95% sure confidence level. That's just the way forecasting works. http://phys.org/news/2015-01-peer-reviewed-pocket-calculator-climate-exposes-errors.html
ChopperFebruary 6, 2015 9:44 pm
Please provide proof that this has caused irreparable harm. Rhetoric and projections don't count.
ChopperFebruary 6, 2015 9:43 pm
What impacts have been brought due to your claim of man-mde global warming? Have sea levels increased - NO. Have there been unheralded storms of a proportion never before recorded by man - NO. Have we seen a growth in global wealth, a reduction in deaths due to starvation and climate tragedies - Yes. Has life expectancy increased over the last 50 years - Yes. SO if man is solely responsible for the 0.6C rise in global average temps since the 50's yet the people of Earth are living longer and more fulfilled lives; is that a problem? I would say - No.
ElizaFebruary 6, 2015 9:08 pm
Because, Earl, most people don't choose their careers based only on potential income. Shocking news, I know.
Kurt KuzbaFebruary 6, 2015 7:39 pm
Because the land is drying out. The seas are rising. The glaciers are receding. The greedy and corrupt oceans are keeping all the water for themselves, and only a program of vigorous redistribution of their wealth can save the world. No? When you are really right, you know you are right. Getting your hand out of the hollow stump with the lump of salt in your fist is a bit of a problem, though. The Monkey's Paw is trapped. This is how to trap a monkey.
RichardFebruary 6, 2015 6:30 pm
Proof positive once again that the UN and Major Economies are wasting time and money. We should shut down this worthless conglomeration of political misfits who serve no purpose but to spend money and issue arrogant and ignorant statements. They have never accomplished anything towards the betterment of mankind since their inception!
spec9February 6, 2015 6:18 pm
No, it cannot. CCS is just not economically viable compared to wind & solar PV.
MoreBSFebruary 6, 2015 6:14 pm
Coal is still the most abundant form of fossil fuels and is the lowest form which are two very good reasons for using as much coal as we can and not replace it with natural gas. The coal industry needs to break the paradigm and develop the technology to make this possible. It's their choice
RajSFebruary 6, 2015 6:10 pm
India is doing exactly the right thing. Growth comes first. Pollution management second. Every industrialized country followed this sequence of priorities, and so will India. The western position of demanding emission cuts is a hypocritical one based on commercial motives - they have clean technology they want to *sell* . If the west is so concerned about climate change, it should license all that technology to us for free. Their own credibility takes a massive hit when they look like a bunch of shysters using alarmism to make money. At least we're unequivocally direct about out priorities.
Dan EFebruary 6, 2015 12:33 pm
Empirical Science is not consensus, its hypothesis testing and falsification. Models can NOT do this. When you label skeptics deniers, you are using the alinsky program to quell debate. If its science supported by data, it can stand any scrutiny. Otherwise, its a belief system with tenets and heretics. Climatologists predicted catastrophic global cooling in the 1970s. Wrong then, wrong now. Alarmists overestimate warming. Empirical measures indicate warming is well within natural variation. Another way to see if climate change stands up is to test predictions against what has actually happened. We still have snow, arctic and antarctic ice grows, and frequency of extreme weather events is down to a 50 year low. The sea has not covered Manhattan. Each prediction is a fail. Climate change is a chimera used to scare the rubes into line. Time for the propaganda to cease.
Kurt KuzbaFebruary 6, 2015 10:25 am
Science requires that any theory be subjected to scrutiny. If you have a theory, and your only effort is to support it, not to destroy it, then you are not employing science. If you are not seeking flaws and false presumptions in your theory, you are preaching a belief, not forwarding a scientific opinion. A theory cannot be proven true. It can only survive testing. A consensus means nothing. Flat Earth was a consensus.
theconservativemind.netFebruary 6, 2015 9:53 am
Scientist find an anceint lake under the Artic Ice and now we are all doomed. Actually, an old story recycled to seem new, but its the thought that counts right? At least last year was the warmest on record, oh wait a minute, that was found to be untrue also. Last winter did have record breaking cold though. Arctic Ice is notoriously up and down, with the Northwest Passage opening and closing a few times over the last century. So is the weather, the hottest year on record being 1934. The Candadian Ice Service is reporting ice levels now are comparible to the 1980s. In short, it might not be the end of the world, but it may be the end of objective science.
Terry StorkFebruary 6, 2015 6:45 am
For years they have been telling us that the science of climate change was "settled". Now they have discovered that deep sea volcanoes are releasing co2 and heat into the ocean. Could this be why air temps have remained unchanged for 17 years while ocean temps have gone up?
Leslie GrahamFebruary 6, 2015 4:01 am
Roger Pielke Jr. is THE most debunked person in the science blogosphere, possibly the entire Web He has a long history of being proved wrong on just about everything he has ever written. He is not being 'ostracised' - he is being ignored because he is contemptable.
jim_robertFebruary 6, 2015 3:21 am
Yup. The hourly anti-science, BIG GREEN MONEY faux global warming propaganda from Biz Crony Insider. Yawn.
realistic4UFebruary 6, 2015 3:19 am
There is no melting of ice, this is all a giant hoax to create a socialist dictatorship. Kidding of course, but people actually believe stuff like this.
wahFebruary 6, 2015 3:18 am
IF there is any truth at all to the idea the Greenland is getting warmer, we need only look at Jupiter's red spot, that was a localized storm even that lasted more than 300 years. Get over it. Move on.
Sam J.February 6, 2015 2:15 am
Science is by definition, transparent. All the evidence that leads to a "global warming/manmade climate change" conclusion is available for all the public to view. If any data is distorted for financial gain by one person, there will 100 scientists to refute it with transparent evidence. With as many private and public institutions supporting AGW worldwide, it is highly improbable that a large conspiracy could be possible.
Alan PoirierFebruary 6, 2015 1:53 am
If the climate science debate were simply about the science, frankly no one would care. After all, no one outside of a small group of scientists cares about the ultimate nature of black holes or what constitutes dark matter or dark energy. The debate about climate, however, is different. It matters because a lot hangs on whether this climate scientist is right or whether that climate scientist is right. If CAGW supporters are right, we are doomed. If the skeptics are right, we have plenty of time to wean ourselves off fossil fuels with care and attention. So far, European governments have acted foolishly, embarking on massive investments in renewables without anything to show for it other than the loss of billions of Euros and impoverishment of thousands upon thousands of people. When climate scientists become advocates, moreover, the science is degraded and appears for all intents and purposes as little more than a justification for social and economic policies. Look at the furor over 2014 being the "warmest" year. The claim was made on the basis of a few HUNDREDTHS of a degree when the error bars are in tenths of a degree. Only the MET couched their announcement in scientific terms with full appreciation of the uncertainty. Most skeptics are truly that -- skeptical of any pronouncements that fail to take into account the huge measure of uncertainty when it comes to determining an absolute surface temperature that can vary 30 degrees in the course of a day, let alone a year.
Steven CohenFebruary 6, 2015 1:24 am
Water reaching the base of the glaciers will act as a lubricant allowing the glaciers to move faster toward the ocean thus displacing sea water and causing a faster rate of worldwide sea level rise. Also ice will flow faster under high pressure (from the weight of the thick ice above) when it warms even though it is still solid.
chuckwcFebruary 6, 2015 1:23 am
I read an article earlier today that stated the consensus was 87%. Things like this make one wonder if anybody knows the truth.
Stephen ThomasFebruary 6, 2015 1:14 am
It would be nice to see the actual data presented in graph form.
Priya LynnFebruary 6, 2015 1:00 am
The reason Roger Pielke Jr. and Judith Curry have been "attacked" and "ostracized" is that they've regularly misrepresented the science on global warming and are unrepentent about it. They've refused to engage in honest debate. The fact that at one time 97% of scientists agreed the earth was flat is not a valid argument that they could be wrong about global warming. The state of scientific knowledge between then and now is astronomically different and it simply isn't credible that 97% of scientists can be just as easily wrong now as they were then - its an absurd suggestion. You suggest complexities, uncertainties and unknowns within global warming science prevent civil discussion but there is no significant complexities, uncertainties, or unknowns that would justify doubt that global warming is happening and caused by humans. Denialists like Pielke and Curry are simply dishonest and unrepentant and that is why they are criticized. They simply have no rational case to make against the mountain of evidence against their position.
Harold LeeFebruary 6, 2015 12:59 am
How about some documentation on the 97% consensus?
JimFebruary 6, 2015 12:01 am
You "global warming" guys just won't quit will you? Now you are searching for "hidden" horrors. How much has sea level risen? I know the answer do you? Negligible. In other words Zero. I have lived on the coast my entire life, 64 years. Less than one mile from the Pacific Ocean. Storms, tides, erosion, earthquakes, floods, occasionally will make temporary changes to the coastline. Time passes, back to normal. Warming began 10,000 years ago. the end of the last Ice age. What caused that to happen? You can't claim that human activity had anything to do with that can you? It's the Sun. You might have noticed it. A gigantic yellow nuclear furnace in the sky, visible during the day. It is a Star. It will burn your skin. Destroy your eyes if you stare at it. Kill you if you are foolish enough to ignore it's power. Humans have no power to control anything in nature. Volcanoes (like in Iceland) do. This is about political control of the population and money. Earth was here long before humans arrived and will be here long after we are gone. We are just the current dominant occupants. No guarantee that this will continue. Dinosaurs were here for millions of years. We have been around for maybe 100,000! Stop thinking that we are the end result. Start thinking about who's next when we fail. Better yet, how about we start thinking about how we don't become extinct.
acmeFebruary 5, 2015 11:56 pm
During the tobacco "debate" the Equal Time Rule and the Fairness Doctrine, both dismantled in the Reagan Revolution for reasons just such as this, were in place to prevent the massive propaganda paid for by the Koch bros, Exxon, and others in the current phony "debate". The Republican Party, Fox News, Newsmax, The Daily Caller, and hate radio are all recipients of the fossil fuel largesse, as are Republican politicians. The rubes are heavily influenced by these sources, not hearing any opposing argument. And our children and grandchildren, even the Kochs', will pay the price.
SofaKingCool1February 5, 2015 11:43 pm
I bet if I polled 100 people on welfare and asked them if welfare is a great idea, I could get a consensus too!
ArchangelFebruary 5, 2015 11:43 pm
In science, when an individual postulates a scientific hypothesis or posits a scientific theory those assumptions are not accepted prima facie and any and all concerns, conflicts, disputes or disagreements surrounding the phenomenon in question were usually resolved through repeatability of an experiment or an adversarial review process in order to substantiate the premise upon which the assumption is predicated, that is until the fallacy of Global Warming became prevalent during the latter part of the 1980’s and rather than welcome the adversarial process, there has been a concerted effort to conceal or manipulate data and disparage any and all who would dare to question those hypotheses in what appears to be a blatant attempt to dissuade any and all who dare disagree or question the hypotheses from further analogy or review! If the phenomenon of Global Warming were in fact real then there would be absolutely no need for these institutions and supposedly men of science to manipulate or conceal their data in order to prove a nonexistent phenomenon and there would be no need to continually disparage those who legitimately question those results unless the data was in fact flawed or knowingly being manipulated!
tmalthus2010February 5, 2015 11:42 pm
Well, you can start with the fact that the 97% consensus claim is an incontrovertibly exposed lie, as are other specious "vast consensus" claims. Then you can move on to widespread data falsification, computer models with a 100% fail rate, and people stigmatizing honest scientific dissent and debate by branding anyone who doesn't enthusiastically endorse the junk science based theory called AGW with the pejorative term "deniers" (aka unbelievers, heretics, infidel.) It goes downhill from there.
Paul M RaupFebruary 5, 2015 11:38 pm
Iceland, however, in a previous article is somehow being RAISED in relation to sea level as it's ice melts............. We need MORE conflicting articles in order to convince us poor, uneducated commoners to contribute to the elite set of scientists who get to decide who lives and dies in this catastrophe.
Jim ShanksFebruary 5, 2015 11:10 pm
Why is the UN Climate Chief a Poli-sci graduate with the goal of "remaking the world economy"? (Her words, not mine)
Mike HeuerFebruary 5, 2015 10:40 pm
They claim there is a measurable difference in sea level rise but don't bother saying what it allegedly is. Also, if the water is collecting in lakes under the ice before draining, common sense suggests diverting the water to other places that need fresh water. A pipeline could accomplish it.
joseph2237February 5, 2015 10:38 pm
Just for the sake of argument Doesn't salt melt ice and why couldn't the salt be a major factor why the glaciers are melting at least at the bottom.The weight of the glacier at the top will have less resistance and will move down as the top and the bottom melt.
bubba2001February 5, 2015 10:30 pm
Why are they always looking to one of the cleanest countries in the world, the U.S. to get involved in their problems? How about getting China , Brazil and India involved instead? I hope the next president comes into town with a *WRECKING BALL.*
ThePatritoteerFebruary 5, 2015 10:28 pm
... and there it is folks. Economies, and control. Nothing more. The UN can just jog on. I never swore allegiance to them.
carboFebruary 5, 2015 10:14 pm
Translation: Send me your money so I can spend it.
canbusnoiseFebruary 5, 2015 10:11 pm
if everyone drank more water the problem would be solved
Randy LoweryFebruary 5, 2015 9:57 pm
The melting is caused by volcanic activity under the ice . Nothing else. Last time I checked man could not stop volcanos .
BradAlbFebruary 5, 2015 9:19 pm
The flat earther and other comparisons are good potential examples of history repeating itself. However, the 97%ers models continue to diverge from reality because they are over estimating the impact of CO2 on our heat balance to the exclusion of many other controlling factors. I posit that when we are much further down the road to understanding climate, the impact of CO2 will be relegated to the level of noise in the measurements when compared to other variables. As such, the current scientific establishment will very likely find themselves in the unenviable position of being the next incarnation of flat earthers.
GuyBBFebruary 5, 2015 9:15 pm
"...a process that would take considerable time." Just a bit misleading. Even if temperature rise accelerates, and keeps doing so for hundreds of years, there is no chance of all ice in Greenland's glaciers melting in less than 2,000 years. This by the "best estimates" of the AGW crowd. Hyperbole, is defined as, exaggeration for effect. What effect are they trying to invoke here? Oh yes! Fear, urgency, and panic. All completely unwarranted, thus, this and nearly EVERY article about glacial melting is propaganda.
jontomasFebruary 5, 2015 9:06 pm
Of course this "problem" is ALL due to the counter-productive FRAUD of marijuana prohibition. If it weren't for that insane persecution, marijuana would be grown according to water regulations just like every other crop.
MisterMax2000February 5, 2015 9:01 pm
There is a name for this kind of incessant handwringing and worrying. It's called paranoia. It's like these "climate scientists" purpose in life is find things about the Earth so that they can worry about them. If it's not the West Antarctic ice sheet, it's the lakes beneath Greenland. If it's not Arctic sea ice, then it's glaciers melting in Iceland. Thus manmade global warming is a disease. A mental disease that begs for treatment. Won't somebody get some help for these poor, poor tortured souls???
MisterMax2000February 5, 2015 8:32 pm
Science is not about consensus. It's about provable, repeatable, fact. Something the warmers are chronically short of. Consensus is a lynch mob out to hang someone they are convinced is guilty. And for the "climate scientist," they are out to lynch mankind because they are convinced he is guilty for destroying or attempting to destroy the Earth. Never mind humans are as natural to the Earth as Antelope. Thus manmade global warming is more about religion than it is true science. And Lord knows the faithful will defend their religion with a rabid fervor anytime their orthodoxy is challenged.
Ronnie TakasuFebruary 5, 2015 8:29 pm
You lose a lot of credibility when you use the word "loose" when you mean "lose."
ingersolFebruary 5, 2015 7:57 pm
Scientific consensus is led by reference to facts. "97% of scientists used to agree that women should not be in science" (if that was ever really true) was a social consensus, not a scientific one. "More than 97% of scientists used to agree that the earth was flat." Please provide support for that assertion. Eratosthenes accurately calculated the circumference of the Earth in 240BC. The Earth's spherical nature was already well accepted at the time among his scientific peers.
waxlibertyFebruary 5, 2015 7:55 pm
Quite clearly, consensus does not prove anything. But when the public has to place its bets on likely outcomes, and build appropriate policy, the consensus view in science is going to be the best bet, evaluated over time. Bertrand Russell, godfather of skepticism, was making a similar point in his comment "I am prepared to admit any well-established result of science, not as certainly true, but as sufficiently probable to afford a basis for rational action." In the case of climate change, every national academy of science in the world, and every association of physical scientists, endorses the mainstream view. And the evidence supporting this mainstream view is fairly easy to summarize, despite the quite giant range of uncertainty in terms of how much warming is expected and how serious the impacts will be. Yes, it is inevitable and unsurprising that there are Judith Curry's and the like who dissent (or, really, stake out a position that the warming will be on the low end, but do not tend to dispute the fundamentals of mainstream physics), and of course they should not be ostracized (though, I'll observe it is not them but the likes of Michael Mann who have been dragged to Congressional grilling under now-long-discredited accusations of academic fraud and related threats to their employment). Your admonition against consensus thinking seems easy to confuse for an admonition against rational policy action. Is that the intent? They otherwise seem somewhat tired observations, with all due respect.
mot250February 5, 2015 7:51 pm
97+% consensus? Do some research on that statement related to Climate Change and you find that the 97+% is really only 79 people that agreed AND who indicated a specific Climate Science background in a survey (other than scientific back ground, only two leading questions were asked) answered by about 3000 scientists. Of the 3000 or so who responded, those that were OMITTED from the survey results, were physicists, geologists, mathematicians and even meteorologists, among others. Please explain how 79 out of 3000 becomes a 97% consensus without using common core math.
jt95124February 5, 2015 7:46 pm
I have an alternate explanation. The human mind works like this: The unconscious mind takes in information and filters it according to whether it fits into existing knowledge, what the implications are for this new information, and how will my tribe react to this. The new facts are then fitted into the existing world view and agenda. It then produces something resembling logic and facts (doesn't have to be consistent or 100% true, Colbert named it "truthiness"). This is then supplied to the conscious mind so it can say it. If you present someone an unarguable fact that undermines their position, the mind can break the connection and gets a shot of dopamine (pleasure) for successfully defending its position. They will sometimes say "This seems true, but I know its not." Sometimes they will get angry. The tribe will rally with a great burst of false logic, delivered with intensity, anger and derision (hey, you are threatening my dopamine!). Humans think they operate on "logical analysis and facts -> logical conclusion -> correct action." In reality we are illogical emotion robots. Science is an attempt to overcome this, although since it is done by people, it is a constant struggle. Everyone arguing is assuming rational actors. False assumption. This is why these arguments never get won and never end. There is no set of words that could have gotten the opponents of, for instance, the scopes monkey trial to agree. It is not intellectual debate, it is short term emotional tribal self interest. It is what we are. If we actually did unemotional logic, we would be ants, or bees, or computers.
Marla LkFebruary 5, 2015 7:28 pm
This water scam is a farce. 60 yrs of rebuilding cities on top of the secretly-replaced underground infrastructures - altering records, historic aerial views, reprinting old books, etc. to make it appear nothing has changed. So many code violations our officials use these altered records to deny knowledge / responsibility. Big plans underway for upcoming development. Gambling communities, race tracks, casinos, golf courses, high-speed rail project. Using the delta smelt as an excuse to withhold water - really? Protecting these fish? If they are so precious, how are they being protected from the radiation that is contaminating our water / oceans?
David R.February 5, 2015 7:19 pm
Scientific consensus is based ultimately on factual reality, not mythology or religious belief or politics. It is self correcting. Physicists still quibble over the speed of light in a vacuum too. But they all agree out to at least the 15th decimal place. Anthropogenic Global Warming is a broadly accepted factual reality among scientists directly involved in all kinds of research and scientific disciplines impacted by it. The potential impacts on short term local climate conditions are chaotic and unpredictable, but that is the nature of weather. The deniers use this to confuse the issues. The long term trends over the last century plus are blatantly obvious. Schopenhauer said all truth goes through three stages: 1. Ridicule 2. Violent assault 3. Benign acceptance Human caused global warming is currently at stage 2. Hopefully long term impacts on climate and the environment that sustains us all will not include the extinction of virtually all life as we know it before we get to stage 3.
Solving TornadoesFebruary 5, 2015 7:16 pm
The reason it's contentious is because the people pushing it don't want to answer the hard questions and they get belligerent when their opponents refuse to back down. It's that simple.
EcoloBlue, Inc.February 5, 2015 7:10 pm
This is why they need to look into EcoloBlue water stations to produce their own water (as some growers are already looking into).
MichMikeFebruary 5, 2015 7:09 pm
Here is something that is not in question. The personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population has a CO2 footprint 50 TIMES the actual average / person. As such, this group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL (that's right, ALL) CO2 emissions in the U. S. Oddly, all the plans proposed and promoted by portions of this group, the media, the president and his party, and much of the AGW folks will allow this small group to continue to spew CO2 unabated while financially hammering the lower income and middle class. And 10s of millions of you are demanding the elites be allowed to tax you just for being alive while remaining THE PROBLEM. Yep, one born every minute!
colemanfFebruary 5, 2015 7:07 pm
As the big Democrat supporters of government controlling energy use to prevent carbon caused global warming (Now Called Climate Change because it is so cold and earth appears to be in a cooling cycle) are mainly freezing in the Northeast it is very difficult for Obama, Hillary, Al Gore, et.al., to convince the general public to pay more for their electricity and other carbon fuels. Hell, we should hope for a little warmer planet to improve man's standard of living if only CO2 would work but still no evidence of that...
common senseFebruary 5, 2015 7:07 pm
3,2,1, ---- waiting for the climate deniers to jump in here.
dannyRFebruary 5, 2015 6:22 pm
"This leads us back to the mantra that 97% or more of scientists agree with certain climate change conclusions." This is getting really confused. The 97% thing is in respect of climate papers, not scientists. A Pew survey found 87% of scientists at large agree with AGW. That means 13% of people at at least a masters, up to a tenured professorial, level do not agree or are agnostic. Your average green tree-hugger should not be patronizingly lecturing to those people about the reality, let alone the accreted hysteria, concerning atmospheric T-rise, real or ephemeral, whether they are polite about it or not. They should respectfully keep their mouths shut and see if they can learn something.
GuyBBFebruary 5, 2015 5:13 pm
Well, golly gee! "Business Leaders"? Don't you mean, rich liberals who have positioned themselves to make hundreds of billions if these plans go through? Is it any wonder that they are willing to ramp up the propaganda campaign to strike now, while they see an opportunity, and spend billions on getting their message out?
hippecampreFebruary 5, 2015 5:05 pm
The 97% angle is a lie and a misrepresentation. And it is used as a weapon to try and silence anyone who doesn't buy the full line of Catastrophic Global Warming. So, the only way it can end the debate is by bullying and ending the debate. But thats not going to happen because the real world is showing that climate models and predictions of catastrophic warming fail time and again.
Pete AustinFebruary 5, 2015 10:24 am
The question discussed here, "What are the greatest threats to the UK?" is misleading and exaggerates the number of people concerned about climate change as an ongoing feature of the world. Unfortunately it did not distinguish between "climate change as an ongoing feature of the world" vs "climate change as a driver of political policy", so people will have been answering about either or both of these. Climate change as a driver of political policy has led to such things as: * more politicization of science, * an increased cost of electricity, * pollution because of encouraging people to drive diesel cars, * higher food costs because of the replacement of food crops by fuel crops, * changes to wild landscapes where renewable generation plants are built. I think it's unarguable that these could be seen as threats by some people, causing them to answer "climate change", regardless of their view on the science.
[email protected]February 4, 2015 8:55 pm
Like much of Mr. Searchinger’s work on biofuels over the past decade, this report is deeply flawed and ignores the dangerous reality that we are increasingly dependent not just on fossil fuels in the transportation sector but on some of the dirtiest, most carbon intensive fossil fuels such as shale oil. We now have almost a decade of experience actually producing biofuels in record volumes, and none of Mr. Searchinger’s predictions from years past have been realized even as we have replaced more than 10 percent of US fossil fuels with renewable fuels. He predicted huge increases in food commodity costs. That has not happened, and in fact those costs have dropped in recent years. He predicted massive land-use clearing. That has not happened, and in fact deforestation has slowed significantly in places like the Amazon where Mr. Searchinger made dire predictions. Scientific models are increasingly moving in the other direction by improving the environmental profiles of biofuels as real-world experience proves that critics were simply wrong. And while we agree that wind and solar are excellent sources of energy, biodiesel is the best way to store solar energy for transportation uses. We need a wide variety of renewable energy sources to meaningfully address our electricity and transportation fuel needs. Instead, our oil dependence worsens as Mr. Searchinger fails to understand that biofuels are already having a positive impacts and have tremendous potential for sustainable growth. The critics in this article misunderstand four key concepts. 1. Biomass is the most efficient way to harness solar energy for transportation fuel. 2. Biofuels compliment the food supply by utilizing food coproducts and optimizing the use of renewable resources. 3.The only way to get GHGs in check is to stop taking carbon out of the ground in the form of fossil fuels. Plants can’t solve our climate change issue unless we use them to displace fossil energy. 4. Biofuel production can grow responsibly to displace even more fossil fuel extraction. Biodiesel, which is made from a wide variety of oils and fats such as recycled cooking oil, soybean oil and animal fats, has repeatedly been shown in peer-reviewed studies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by more than 50 percent when compared with petroleum diesel. It also sharply reduces other dangerous pollutants such as particulate matter. It is the only EPA-designated Advanced Biofuel with commercial-scale production across the US. Recent Citations: Union of Concerned Scientists: http://blog.ucsusa.org/the-latest-on-biofuels-and-land-use-797 “Experts across the country have been hard at work on this topic for the last 7 years, and have learned a great deal about ILUC. The headline conclusion of the 2008 paper, that corn ethanol’s emissions are much higher than gasoline, has not survived careful scrutiny.” 2013 lifecycle analysis workshop organized by the Coordinating Research Council, a petroleum think tank with a 100-year reputation for scientific work. http://www.crcao.org/workshops/LCA%20October%202013/CRC_LCA_Workshop_Summary%20Final.pdf "Largely as a consequence of improved LUC modeling, the impact of iLUC on the total life-cycle carbon intensity of most biofuels does not appear to be as large as thought a few years ago" United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), Jose Graziano da Silva, at the Global Forum for Food and Agriculture earlier this month: "It is important not to forget that biofuels emerged with strength as an alternative energy source because of the need to mitigate fossil fuel production and greenhouse gases -- and that need has not changed. We need to move from the food-versus-fuel debate to a food-and-fuel debate. There is no question: Food comes first, but biofuels should not be simply seen as a threat or as a magical solution." Don Scott National Biodiesel Board
Seb RattansenFebruary 4, 2015 8:38 pm
My worry is that they will agree to something that won't actually solve the problem. And how much time do they have left to 'ratchet up the pressure'? The science says none.
[email protected]February 4, 2015 8:34 pm
These renewable energy critics misunderstand 4 key concepts: 1. Biomass is the most efficient way to harness solar energy for transportation fuel. Plants evolved to store excess solar energy in seeds. That stored energy in carbohydrates and lipids is the most direct way to fuel our cars with abundant solar energy. 2. Biofuels compliment the food supply. Because plants store excess energy in ratio to their protein content, we have more fats, oils, sugars, and starch than we can use in proportion to the protein that is needed for viable nutrition. When we grow more protein to feed more people, we also get more excess fats, oils, sugars, and starches. 3. The only way to get GHGs in check is to stop taking carbon out of the ground in the form of fossil fuels. Plants can’t solve our climate change issue unless we use them to displace fossil energy. 4. Biofuel production can grow responsibly. Everything we have done in terms of biofuel production and policy has been a step in the right direction. Remaining growth is largely slated to come from Advanced Biofuels. The one thing that WRI has got right is that we need responsible policy to grow the right kind and amount of Advanced Biofuels in a consistent manner. To advance the discussion on how to achieve that, we need reporting from people who understand these concepts, and not a one-sided expression of opinion from critics that would entrench our addiction to petroleum. Dan Scott National Biodiesel Board
Seb RattansenFebruary 4, 2015 8:33 pm
Hi Ed - great article. Thanks.
obama is a traitorFebruary 4, 2015 8:15 pm
Evidence presented by Global Warming aka Climate change crazies: Al Gore said so.
Drb-February 4, 2015 3:22 pm
Hey, maybe I've already been doing this at a policy level... Whether or not I fly on a plane, is really immaterial, that is the fossil fuel system we are ALL locked into, including McKibben, Streyer, and Al Gore, by the powerful energy industry that influences lawmakers. The real problem, (thinking past your systematic delusion) is the world today still runs on the medieval inherited characteristic of the 'nation state'. As much as the religious right and every Totalitarian leader hates it, this problem will not be solved at the root until enforceable rules via one world govt. are focused on this issue. You are wrong to think it is not a governance issue, it is, and it is the elites and rich, who effectively run the planet, who stand the most to lose if the concept of nation state is dismantled. Socially and media wise, it has ALREADY been dismantled, but not legally. So you see, Al Gore was DEAD WRONG when he displayed the worlds health outweighed those gold bricks. The elites have EVERYTHING to lose by not reinforcing the status quo. This is why they are espousing concepts such as 'patriotism' and 'energy security'. As Einstein said, we won't be able to solve these problems at the same level of thinking that created them. Einstein also considered himself a citizen of the planet, not any 'nation state', as he clearly understood the world carnage selfish elites protected under this framework could cause. None of these nation states in/ and of themselves is noble.
Pville LandladyFebruary 4, 2015 1:32 pm
Richard Eklund; I agree Sir, but be prepared for an onslaught of name calling, by caped crusaders , for having some common sense. Although more are catching on since reality hasn't fit the lie.
John WBFebruary 4, 2015 10:24 am
Frankly I'm surprised it's as high as 25%. Perhaps the survey was carried out in lefty luvvie land. The general public have rumbled climate scientists long ago for the charlatans they really are.
Roguewave1February 4, 2015 6:33 am
"...Look what happened in the United States..." What is this fellow talking about? Fracking is the best thing to happen over here in the last three decades. Nothing is free, my friends. Who wants to live near the incessant drumming of a windmill ad infinitum or have to look at the blighted things? Wake up, smell the roses.
Richard EklundFebruary 4, 2015 1:54 am
You bet, they all fly in on jets, they take limos to five star hotels, they enjoy sumptuous meals, they sit around in well lighted and heated meeting rooms and figure out what you have to give up to comply with their pipe dreams. They create nonexistent problems that can be solved only by their pie in the sky plans that cost way major dollars (not theirs) to create industries that cost way too much to do the same thing that is already happening. Please, go home, get a job and leave us alone.
Paul M RaupFebruary 3, 2015 10:42 pm
These constant articles about Obama's "budget" act like once it is introduced it is written in stone. The word "budget" implies some fiscal responsibility, long term planning and cost saving measures. These are completely foreign concepts to Obama, and this is his wish list which could NEVER be passed by Congress after the last election.........
E5ve5lynFebruary 3, 2015 5:43 pm
Climate Change - - - the long term consequence of widespread and continuous environmental destruction needs utmost consideration for left unattended could result to extinction. If the Root Cause of climate change is Economics in nature, that is, "Man's desire to satisfy hie unlimited and ever changing wants" it is also through Economics that remediation, that is through "The Applications of Basic Economic Concepts" that mitigation can be provided. 1. Applications of Basic Economic Concepts to Mitigate Climate Change 2. Basic Economics: The Lighthouse for Climate Change Mitigation are two books I have written on climate change mitigation and these are now available for sale. 3. Climate Change! What We Need to Know - - - A pamphlet These reading materials contain theories and mathematical models pertaining to climate change.
Tom EgelhoffFebruary 3, 2015 3:19 am
The XL pipeline will not create permanent jobs. What it will do is bring $83 million dollars a year in property taxes to Montana's poorest counties every year it's in existence. Other states it crosses will get a lesser amount. Construction and property taxes will be paid by a foreign government with no American tax payer dollars used for any of it. When the original Keystone pipeline was built five years ago North and South Dakota also got a tax windfall and continue to receive millions each year.
RebertoFebruary 3, 2015 1:46 am
Finally someone who cares about the Quechua. This has been happening for a quite some time now
Albert StienstraFebruary 2, 2015 7:28 pm
So, the opinion formers only form their own opinion, not the public's
GuyBBFebruary 2, 2015 7:13 pm
Funny thing is. Most of the "sales of solar cells" have been by a single company, to...its own primary shareholder. China doesn't have markets. It has false fronts held up to look enough like markets to dupe the analysts.
Paul MatthewsFebruary 2, 2015 6:48 pm
"It also shows a decline in concern from previous years – in 2010, 25% of people believed it was a top threat – despite increasingly urgent warnings from scientists about the impact of rising emissions." What a baffling paradox. Clearly we need more scientists shrieking hysterically about imminent doom, and more climate propaganda outlets like RTCC, Carbon Brief, the Guardian, shouting even louder and hurling even more abuse at the deniers, in order to get the message across.
GuyBBFebruary 2, 2015 3:35 pm
This doomsaying gig is the greatest! All you need do, is drum up fear about a far distant, future "crisis", and tell the credulous masses that you can "save" them. To reach the IPCC's stated goal, of keeping temperature rise below 2 degrees in the 21st century, what exactly is it we need to do? NOTHING! The trend in temperature, in their own data, shows less than one degree of temperature rise in the 21st century. In fact, over the entire 180 years of data, the temperature rise has remained slow, constant and linear. Now, no one would claim the last two centuries were any sort of "climate catastrophe", so, in need of a crisis and urgency, they keep predicting that the very nature of temperature rise is about to change. They've been predicting that since the mid-1990's, and still no sign of it happening. You know, in real science, if you make a prediction, and it doesn't work out, you go back to see what you did wrong.
PygmalionFebruary 2, 2015 3:15 pm
It takes the special talents of the IPCC to make a 38-page document "sprawling"!
garry reedFebruary 1, 2015 7:37 am
How could anyone still doubt that the greenhouse effect resulting from our CO2 emissions is causing climate change? “It is still one of the tragedies of human history that the children of darkness are frequently more determined and zealous than the children of light.” The Words of Martin Luther King – Selected by Coretta Scott King 1984
clausJanuary 31, 2015 9:36 pm
Show me evidence for such disasters from fracking, and explain why these are worse than accidents from other activitites done by mankind - driving a car kills many, fertilizers on fields destroy wildlife, airplaine crash kills hundreds and we accept such risks in our daily life.
Amartya BhattacharjeeJanuary 31, 2015 10:40 am
300 million Indians still with no access to electricity. We can't commit so soon. But they are trying best to arrive at a credible solution.
Amartya BhattacharjeeJanuary 31, 2015 10:37 am
Not really. There is a clause of local production in India for solar cells. We have the largest ever target of solar production, out of sheer necessity. Every country does business. An average american uses 25 times more electricity than an average Indian. But India is trying her best to contain emissions. Its a shame that Modi couldn't come up with a target, but the with the gigantic renewable investment, if all goes according to plan, they will.
Jimh77January 30, 2015 4:53 pm
Anti American GOP pushing this stupid pipe line while many more important issues in America go unsolved.
Why?January 30, 2015 8:00 am
Why does the author show a photo of Perdido when writing about the Arctic?
clearfogJanuary 30, 2015 4:26 am
Yet another commie, New World Order, tree hugging, grant hungry, ignorant organization joining the AGW Hoax. Just wait until Fox News totally ignores what Shell has to say, proving that the Tealight Zone in Echo World has it all right.
Arcanum Arcanorum (虚空)January 30, 2015 12:52 am
It's a shame that big business simply wants to destroy this world.
Andrew WarrenJanuary 29, 2015 9:47 pm
Can I refer Mr Ashton to the Carbon Brief article of January 26? This revealed the heavy preference amongst Conservative backbench MPs for fracking over renewables , in the fond belief that would be more popular with their constituents....
Global Fracking BanJanuary 29, 2015 8:40 pm
No amount of science or robustness of a regulatory regime can prove fracking is safe or ensure the level of safety now or in the future. NOBODY can predict that human error or machine and equipment failure will not occur. But history tells us that the hydrocarbon extraction industry experiences human error and equipment failure on a daily basis resulting in serious injuries and fatalities along with catastrophic environmental damages. In light of this knowledge, and the fact that fracking gone wrong can cause irreversible damage to, aquifers, soil, air quality and the climate, that affect the majority, the long-term impacts that surround the shale and coal bed methane extraction industries outweigh, * BY FAR*, the short term economic advantages to be gained by a select few. Neither can anybody predict whether natural events such as earthquakes, ground movements or build up in formation pressures will or will not occur during drilling, production or long after plug and abandonment that can impact on the integrity of a well. The overall weight of the evidence from the cumulative body of information demonstrates that there are significant uncertainties about the kinds of adverse health outcomes that may be associated with high volume hydraulic fracturing (HVHF), the likelihood of the occurrence of adverse health outcomes, and the effectiveness of some of the mitigation measures in reducing or preventing environmental impacts which could adversely affect public health. Until the science provides sufficient information to determine the level of risk to public health from high volume hydraulic fracking, the Global anti fracking movement recommends that HVHF should not proceed.
WarrenJanuary 29, 2015 8:28 pm
All wrong, and utterly reversed from the findings of the Science. 4 pinocchios
Fuck a bunch of Global WarmingJanuary 29, 2015 4:43 pm
organic carbon = fresh water !
GuyBBJanuary 29, 2015 4:27 pm
About half the annual flow of the Amazon... In other words, insignificant. At least on a global scale.
David RJanuary 29, 2015 4:24 pm
If you like the heat, you will love the future. It's pretty sad when politicans choose to worry more about getting re-elected, than the future of humanity.
kenJanuary 29, 2015 4:20 pm
Just another NOAA program flushing your tax dollars away..
socalpaJanuary 29, 2015 8:29 am
I am not sure when this was written, but India said "No" to setting a date or cap on emissions. The Hindustantimes Jan 27 ,2015 "India’s resistance to accept a peak year for emissions was a prime reason why US President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Narendra Modi failed to strike a climate deal along the lines of a US-China agreement on emission cuts " -Personalities matter ? O.K. What about the science supporting the "need for action" ? - Based on the data of the past 22 years (period of the Climate model vs observed temps) Climate sensitivity to is being revised Downward substantially. 14 papers in the peer reviewed journals show projected temps as low as .35C . Indistinguishable from natural variability. Others show a likely rise of 1C to 1.8C. - Doesn't anyone else think that the Actual effects or even Very Likely effects of C02 on temps be determined before investing more billions and possibly trillions based on this Hypothesis ? -Nature Climate Change Sept 2013 Overestimated global warming over the past 20 years John C. Fyfe, Nathan P. Gillett and Francis W. Zwiers http://www.stat.washington.edu/peter/statclim/fyfeetal.pdf - http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/no-indo-us-climate-deal-india-not-willing-to-treated-at-par-with-china-on-carbon-emissions/article1-1310900.aspx
Science OfficerJanuary 29, 2015 4:54 am
You have to admire the Chinese. They can spew as much CO2 as they want, in ever increasing amounts, until around the year 2030. Then they just need to start thinking about cutting back. By then, the CAGW hoax should be fully revealed and the global warming crisis will be over. The Chinese never have to give up a thing. I bet India will do something similar.
Science OfficerJanuary 29, 2015 4:47 am
Yes, personalities will be vital. After all, we certainly can't sell this deal based upon the actual science.
BillJanuary 29, 2015 3:22 am
Consensus means, "Idea or opinion that is shared by a group". The debate is not settled.
WarrenJanuary 28, 2015 10:08 pm
By making fun of a serious problem , you don't engage or try to understand the issue, or the science behind it. All the worlds scientific institutions conclude AGW is real, and is dangerous to our grandchildren's future. If you're not concerned, you don't know the facts.
WarrenJanuary 28, 2015 9:24 pm
Yes...two psychological problems--- Confirmation Bias and Dunning-Kreuger. The first is an inability to accept new information that changes ones strong worldview, and the other is the inability of those who know little about a topic to realize how little they really know.
Good_LtJanuary 28, 2015 9:15 pm
This has already been tried numerous times. Captain Planet. Fern Gully. Hell, even Ice Age. Teach the science and the data to the kids - at their level and in increasing detail as they learn more - instead of trying to indoctrinate children with cartoons at the request of government agencies. There's a right way to do it (the former) and a creepy and underhanded way (the latter.). The rest will take care of itself.
WarrenJanuary 28, 2015 8:23 pm
And still rising....
WarrenJanuary 28, 2015 8:22 pm
You also neglected to say that this not a report from scientists. Your bad.
edward smytheJanuary 28, 2015 6:23 pm
Russia will show the world how it is done !
Energy NumbersJanuary 28, 2015 5:26 pm
Please do bear in mind that the global calculator can't tell you what works and what doesn't. Using it will tell you a lot about the modellers; something about the model; and only a tiny bit about the world. It's useful for indicating the scale of the problem and some of the trade-offs. Whereas if you use it for actually designing or assessing solutions, you're using it to do something it's not capable of doing meaningfully, and you can't draw any conclusions from it.
Science OfficerJanuary 28, 2015 4:44 pm
He approves oil exploration on the Atlantic continental shelf? See, even Obama doesn't believe in global warming.
Mac382January 28, 2015 3:45 pm
Dishonest. We are just producing more than we use. Its not due to alternative energy usage because that has gone down in recent years. Its simply supply and demand and right now supply is high. The will change eventually.
who622January 27, 2015 6:59 pm
So much for Democratic cooperation in the new Senate....
TerryJanuary 27, 2015 6:53 pm
Conservatives will do anything to help the rich get richer. Conservatives controlled States effected by the Keystone XL pipeline have passed State laws allowing a Canadian Oil & Rich Oil barons in America to declare domain rights over "the people's" property rights in those Conservative States, only to help streamline the construction. Their reasoning for jobs creation in America will only be for 4 years or less while the Oil companies & rich Oil barons will reap trillions over the next 20-50 years, while stepping on the rights of personal property owners. The rich Conservatives such as the Koch Brothers who own rights to the 1.1 million acres of property in the area of Canada for the tar sands stand to reap even more money which is why the American Conservative Congress members who have been bought by Koch Brothers contributing millions in campaign donations to push their extreme agenda, with one being Keystone XL pipeline, yet Cons voted to refuse the idea of helping American companies by using American steel or by helping American motorists by selling the oil in America.... THIS IS UN-AMERICAN !!!
independenttwoJanuary 27, 2015 6:52 pm
Let's tell it like it is; the Democrat's are the party of no, with Reid the head dog; to think the liberal media will never call the Democrat's obstructionist.
RichardJanuary 27, 2015 6:51 pm
Obama has been stonewalling this popular legislation for years. There have been 3 Environmental Impact studies and they have ALL concluded that the pipeline would not detrimentally impact the environment. Time to underscore the Democrats who are stonewalling as well and get them on the record so that the public can vote them out of office in 2016 for failing to do the will of the people!
Dan DetermanJanuary 27, 2015 6:48 pm
the party of no
Science OfficerJanuary 27, 2015 6:29 pm
So as long as the USA pays for it, India is willing to spend our money for their renewable energy programs. Another Obama victory for climate change.
BuggerthatJanuary 27, 2015 1:20 pm
It is sad that it has taken this long.
floridanativeeJanuary 27, 2015 12:56 am
Do not plan on getting anything ratified by the US Senate.
alex mereuJanuary 26, 2015 8:03 pm
This is an opportunity to fund the long line up of much needed infrastructure projects in Ontario...If the prices were still high, the private oil companies would see the benefit. Instead, since market forces of lowered the price of gas, the people of the province can see the benefits instead. If the government uses the money to fund projects, traffic congestion will go down and everyone will benefit. Regardless of whether or not you believe in climate change is beside the point. Everyone can get on board with better infrastructure.
Sam WalkerJanuary 26, 2015 4:27 pm
Hi, I found your observations interesting. However, the statement by PwC is not true./ A number of shipping companies - especially in the container and car carrier sectors - report their carbon emissons annually. Do have a look at the sustainability reports on the websites of Maersk, NYK, MOL - but as your start looking, you will also notice this being done by smaller companies. This trend is increasing, as international law requires ships to burn lower sulphur fuel - a rule which all vessels implement honestly (-There is not other way! I can say this confidently, as I have personally sailed on many of these ships)
Sam WalkerJanuary 26, 2015 4:21 pm
Hi, Your article is interesting and thought provoking. However, your comment on the maritime sector is not true. Maritime legislation has seen a sea change over the past few years as far as emission requirements are concerned. IMO MARPOL legislations (Annex VI) require a phased reduction in sulphur emissions by burning lower sulphur content oil. Regulation 14 is being ammendeded nearly every year with phased reductions - they are prescriptive and far more stringent than anything the rules required for the past 30 years.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 26, 2015 12:19 pm
You say: "She is “pretty optimistic” Paris will work out, “even if it is just a start and we ratchet up ambition over time”. If - after 22 years of negotiation - Paris is "just a start", any thoughts of urgent emission reduction must surely be abandoned. Yet she'd probably be right to expect such an outcome: under the US/China joint announcement (not a "pact"), China merely stated an intention (not a commitment) that its emissions (now nearly 30% of the global total) would peak (not reduce) in around 16 years time. Moreover, all the Lima conference achieved was an understanding that the developing economies (including China) would volunteer vague, unverifiable and unenforceable promises.
ArnoldJanuary 26, 2015 4:34 am
How about cutting back on government salaries Wynn
Wayne fowlerJanuary 25, 2015 8:15 pm
Why would I laugh st the idea India could spend 3 trillion on solar capacity? Are you still operating with a 1960s understanding of the world economy and India's place in it?
Smarter than Your Average BearJanuary 25, 2015 7:41 pm
Needs to be an interactive video game on all platforms
GeorgeJanuary 25, 2015 3:39 pm
Personally I am excited about this possibility, we all need the truth NOT FANTASY. Then I wish someone would develop a computer game that rescues the polar bears and goes face to face with the big oil companies who ignore the needs of this precious earth we live on. Many young kids love their play stations and love the EARTH. HOW COOL would it be for them to save and rescue rather than shoot and kill! ❤D
Steve CaseJanuary 25, 2015 3:39 am
The Sea Level Research Group at Colorado University has 22 years of sea level data from satellites. From 1992 to 2004 the rate of sea level rise was 3.5 mm/yr and from 2004 to 2014 the rate has been 2.9 mm/yr. That works out to a negative acceleration of minus -0.05mm/yr². Steve Case - Milwaukee, WI
Science OfficerJanuary 25, 2015 12:51 am
Really? We're going to use characters based upon the story of a Snow Queen to champion global warming?
Leslie GrahamJanuary 25, 2015 12:50 am
The fossil-fuel lobby don't even TRY to make sense. Absolutely any parroted nonsense will do so long as it's anti clean energy. As you say - from a security perspective - distributed solar is probably the hardest to destroy of all forms of generation. The drivel above is just another branch of climate change denial which as become ever more desperate and insane as the global temperature and sea levels have risen..
WarrenJanuary 25, 2015 12:12 am
To the extent that the major GHG emitting countries adopt policies to tilt the economic playing field toward renewables and nuclear, GHG emissions will be reduced and warming of the planet curtailed--eventually. A carbon price of $30 eventually rising to $220, or more, should be about right for national policies. We must focus on the consuming public and emissions...not on the oil and gas industry. After all, it's only purpose, as is true for any industry, is to provide value to consumers. Which means it should go away as soon as possible while being replaced by low carbon alternatives
Gary EvansJanuary 24, 2015 11:55 pm
The UK government are clearly in bed with big business. They are not interested in addressing climate change, but rather pandering to the big six energy cartel and creating big infrastructure projects no one needs like the Thames Tideway Tunnel and HS2. As 350.org have pointed out, these corporations are destroying any chance of tackling climate change in order to make a killing.
DyannXJanuary 24, 2015 10:01 pm
Hmmm, isn't Disney a "Fantasy Themed" Corporation in the first place. I fail to see the connection. smh
BSJanuary 24, 2015 7:44 pm
Perhaps they could promote it as Climate Evolution by Natural Selection.
WarrenJanuary 24, 2015 7:41 pm
The Deniers won't notice until they see the ruins.
BSJanuary 24, 2015 6:13 pm
I'll never spend another dime on anything Disney if they sign up as an Eco-Nazi propagandist.
PygmalionJanuary 24, 2015 5:22 pm
We should recognize that in France, the word "solidarity" is nothing but a code word for "taxes".
Science OfficerJanuary 24, 2015 3:25 pm
You'd think drilling for oil in the Arctic was an unproven and risky business venture, from the tone of the article. Not to worry, the good old USA has been successfully drilling for oil in Alaska since the '70's. It's not really that hard at all and the animals don't even notice. There have been problems with oil tanker ships, so you may want to put in a few oil pipelines.
Mitchell OsbornJanuary 24, 2015 5:07 am
Good luck with the project. I really Hope it helps change people to take better care of the environment.
jvJanuary 24, 2015 5:06 am
And this surprises me, why? After Disney pretty much said it will not allow ANY Christian themes or beliefs in it's movies and material, it is no wonder why there are conspiracies surrounding Disney and much more in the world today. Go figure.
THExDEUCEx2January 24, 2015 5:01 am
does this not show that government is trying to brainwash the children? this is fricken ridiculous
Ex Coasty YNlJanuary 24, 2015 4:37 am
I'm a bit ticked that they didn't mention that Admiral Papp is a Coastguardsman. Semper Paratus!
John BrookesJanuary 23, 2015 4:39 am
There is no doubt that it is warming. And I reckon it is caused by increasing CO2 in the atmosphere. But the time for skepticism (or denialism?) on this is over. Its too obvious now.
john bruceJanuary 23, 2015 3:57 am
He was not off by that much Bill. they are 3/4 melted. 5 year average volume of polar ice, 1979- 1984 15,000 cubic kilometers.... 5 year average 2010-2014, 4,000cu. km. and still tending down The US, Russia Canada, Norway, and Denmark (they have Greenland are all doing a lot to prepare for and defend their territorial rights in yhe up coming ice free polar summers. they know what's happening just fine. Why don't you? by the way' those same climate scientists who study the history of climate, you know the ones deniers are always citing when the remind us that climate has always changed, well those same scientists tell us that the arctic has not been completely free fo polar ice at ant time in the last 3/4 of a million years. it's easy to refute denier claims ang arguments. The only trouble is it doesn't penetrate. It can't be about the evidence. There is something else going on in their heads.
markoparJanuary 23, 2015 1:46 am
The Washington Post The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen , Norway. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I neglect to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post? My bad.
Uncle Sam Gone BadJanuary 22, 2015 1:13 pm
The topic at Davos this year will be how to combat climate change denial -- Al Gore will be arriving in one of the 1,800 private jets bringing participants to this years conference, emitting 8,000 lbs each of CO2 to make the flight.
StanleyJanuary 22, 2015 10:30 am
Al should go talk to all the oil producers in the middle east. Tell them to reduce production and make more money.
Raymond Michael BorlandJanuary 22, 2015 3:03 am
Almost a consensus of 100 politicians(Senators) who are predominantly lawyers and not scientists. Except for a few physicians in Congress I don't think there is one research scientist. Correct me if I am wrong and tell me who he/she is and what he/she did in science and what graduate degrees they have and in what and from what college or university they got their degrees. Climate change is too vague a term . It means natural climate change as well as man made climate change. The senators did not sign anything that indicates how much of the entireUN IPCC climate change hypothese and myth they agree with. it is a rather meaningless sumbolic gesture to appease the sheeple who want all politicians to be for controlling climate change. It says nothing about trying to control climate change since it does not even quantify what changes are man made and have any possibility of change versus ones due to natural causes and beyond our ability to change.
Raymond Michael BorlandJanuary 22, 2015 2:52 am
What is the scientific consensus on climate anyway? We don't know. Not all scientists accept every projection and speculation, nor even agree how much CO2 is made by man and how much atmospheric warming is occurring. Two climate models based on surface thermometers show higher temperatures than RSS satellite data. Does that sound like the science is settled. RSS covers 95% of the earth. Not until 1998-2000 did Argo release 10,000 ocean buoys to measure surface and deep ocean temperatures. Land based thermometers are often near cities (heat sinks) and record higher temperatures Which do you agree with to be part of the consensus. The hurricane and tropical storm expert on the UN IPCC has said there is no scientific proof CO2 is making huricanes and tropical stroms more severe and more frequent. In fact they have been less severe and less frequent in the 21st centur compared to the late 20th century, even though CO2 is still rising and above 400 ppm. So is this hurricane and tropical storm expert part of the consensus? Do people who claim hurricanes are more severe and more frequent also join the consensus when they are dead wrong?
Raymond Michael BorlandJanuary 22, 2015 2:14 am
Climae change is too vague a term. Of course it changes and always has and always will .The right question is whether humans have emitted enough CO2 to change the global climate compared to what it would be without the CO2 from fossil fuels. noy all of the 100 ppm increase in atmospheric CO2 is fom humans burning fossil fuels. Furthermore there is no sientific proof regarding how much CO2 is from human fossil fuel burning nor how much it has changed the climate compared to natural causes for climate change and variability.
BillJanuary 22, 2015 1:14 am
Al Gore also said that by 2014 the polar ice caps would all be melted.....
Steven CohenJanuary 22, 2015 1:09 am
It is OK with me as long as his efforts result in far greater reductions in carbon emissions worldwide. Keep up the good work. Too many fools posting here do not even think man caused climate change is a problem.
CaspianSailsJanuary 22, 2015 12:40 am
While some oil reserves may be left in the ground for now, while prices are low, that will not always be the case. The oil companies will pull it out when the price supports it. Last thing the world needs is politicians associated with the UN, which has no real authority, making public policy.
mydogmoeJanuary 21, 2015 11:55 pm
I agree Al. I have purchased potatoes for decades. The first potatoes of the year are called the "new" potatoes. They will start harvesting them very soon in the Homestead area of Florida. As the season changes and spring becomes summer that deal is finished and the potatoes are grown in North Florida and South Alabama. As the US gets hotter with the onslaught of summer we start purchasing potatoes in Southern Colorado and the Bakersfield California area. When the fall harvest begins potatoes are on the market from Maine, Wisconsin, the Dakotas, Idaho, Oregon and Washington. They grow a wide variety from Red Pontiacs to Russet Burbanks. These Northern Varieties can store for months and this is what we are eating now. Scientists need to approach this situation realistically with two goals. Finding the right seed that can adapt to an evolving Andean climate while preserving the varieties of potatoes of cultural significance. I suggest a hybrid of modern and ancient seeds. I know the environment is an important challenge but finding crops to sustain the people is of the utmost of importance..
Kirk HarringtonJanuary 21, 2015 9:46 pm
I wonder what he thought of the news story about the "hottest year" being busted out 2 days later because only 35% of the scientists surveyed had consensus on the findings. The remaining were unconvinced that the data was factual. Weird how that works. Just that that 97% stat used... The original author of that was busted out for creating data out of data supplied then stating that since these people did not disagree then they must agree on man-made global warming. Wouldn't want to put anyone out of work in the climate change industry, would we?
Felix von GeyerJanuary 21, 2015 9:24 pm
No, it's a case of discouraging further investment into the fossil fuel infrastructure that will take us to 2 degrees C warming by 2040. I raised the conversation with Christiane myself in September and then I wrote about it for Outreach magazine for the Lima COP20 and certainly I know that anyone who was anyone read it. What's preferable is to have that energy investment divested into renewable energy, not human mass extinction. http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/previous-editions/cop-20/cop20-day2/11758-cop20-day2-fiduciary-duty-failure
Klaus MagerJanuary 21, 2015 9:07 pm
what is your point? Unless they use a row boat their opinions can't be trusted? Playbook out of Fox news and Rush Limbaugh, go get a life.
j_reayJanuary 21, 2015 5:31 pm
The denier house of cards is starting to crumble.
DMNJanuary 21, 2015 5:20 pm
Yes the world renouned scientist Pharrell is mobilizing ignorant people into nonsensical actions that very few care about.
ohiodaleJanuary 21, 2015 4:14 pm
More rhetoric from Obama. According to him Climate Change is the largest threat to the world, lol. Who actually believes this is true? I would think Islamic Terrorists is the largest threat followed by Russia. I think the climate is changing and it could be primarily from man or it could be CO2 has little affect on the climate compared to solar activity. Either way, the climate will change whether we cut CO2 emissions or not. People need to realize that the democrats like big government so they push rhetoric to increase revenue to the government. Republicans support business and push rhetoric to increase revenue to corporations. We need to compromise. I would accept Obama's tax increases but only to pay down the debt. I would not support increasing welfare to the middleclass. I would not support bailing out Social Security Disability or giving free education to people. How about we support government loans that are low interest like 2%.
charlesxJanuary 21, 2015 4:08 pm
Was Al Gore one of the 7,000 who flew in to Davos by private jet to discuss climate change? Is that what "climate change denial" means?
JImJanuary 21, 2015 4:01 pm
You know what else is dangerous for children? Supporting extortionists, and allowing vicious rioting, and America allowing the wrong person to lead our country for so long. Unfortunately I don't think the right person will ever make to office in my lifetime. Corruption has been allowed to go on to long politically.
GuyBBJanuary 21, 2015 3:29 pm
As it should. Never has so much (money) been made, based upon so little (actual evidence). Take a step back, take a deep breath, and realize. The whole thing is based upon data that is well within the average year-to-year variation, well within the instrumentation margin of error, and could just as easily have been used to show a trend going in entirely a different direction. Politics, is defined as the art of using the truth, to tell lies. The fact portion, they try to keep unassailable, but every step in thereafter? They will tell you is just as unassailable as the rest. Even the solutions. That, is the lie. Even if the conclusions, and predictions are correct? Then why would anyone support spending more now, than this "crisis" will cost 100 years from now? When the cure is worse than the disease? We call that quackery.
Alex RobertsJanuary 21, 2015 10:27 am
Without a doubt. The phrase "climate resilient technologies" says it all.
Kjell Olav KristiansenJanuary 21, 2015 8:52 am
A cap and trade market does not by design aim to price carbon emissions according to their externalities or social cost. The price is fundamentally a function of the cap on emissions and the abatement cost. As such it is unfair to claim that these markets - as a mechanism - have failed. One should rather ask what caused politicians to set a soft cap - which is more related to what is deemed politically acceptable than the threat of climate change and its cost.
WarrenJanuary 21, 2015 2:01 am
Incorrect. The surface data measurements for each station are adjusted to account for the effects you describe, and others. Satellite temperature measurement has been considered less reliable by Scientists doing the measuring, but recent research has helped scientists determine calibrations for the raw satellite data , and those refinements show satellite data now agreeing closely with land data...all showing significant warming over the last 18 years.
Earl DeckerJanuary 20, 2015 11:10 pm
John Brookes- So you have doubt that global warming is real. Climate change is real but AGW is what is disputed. There is a difference you know.
Earl DeckerJanuary 20, 2015 11:08 pm
Eliza--Just goes to show that these scientists are not so bright. If they could have been doctors, lawyers or college football coaches making millions why did they choose to be low paying climate scientists.
Earl DeckerJanuary 20, 2015 11:00 pm
Keith-And that is proof of what?. Read the rest of the article about the lower 48 states freezing and heavy snow. A temporary change in pressure cells causing a temporary change in the weather is not indicative of global warming.
Earl DeckerJanuary 20, 2015 10:51 pm
Pictures , photos and videos, graphs and charts do not give the full picture of climate events occurring over the earth. There is no time of the year when these photos were taken and other areas have increased in ice and snow cover over the years. The researchers can use any kind of data to support their conclusions but leave most other data out that refutes these conclusions.
Earl DeckerJanuary 20, 2015 10:42 pm
Warren- Do the math. 2014 minus 18=. The claim that 2014 was the highest record warmth has a higher level of uncertainty then flipping a coin and having heads come up.
Earl DeckerJanuary 20, 2015 10:32 pm
That is all we need to know. The politicians will vote to decide if climate change is real. What a joke. Someone will complain and the Supreme Court will decide if the vote and climate change violate the constitution.
Charles TeryJanuary 20, 2015 10:23 pm
Wrong the Drought in California has nothing to do with any contrived science. NOAA published their findings about the California drought and it has nothing to do with the climate but.... The La Nina Effect. Nice try on spreading misinformation.
Sir_H_FlashmanJanuary 20, 2015 10:10 pm
What you're saying makes no sense. A large solar installation might be vulnerable to military attack, but no moreso than fossil fuel infrastructure. And distributed wind and solar serving small areas are harder to wreck and much easier and cheaper to rebuild.
Dr. A. CannaraJanuary 20, 2015 9:32 pm
And, I forgot to add that what was needed long ago was an Oxygen Tax -- there's not enough now or being released, to burn anywhere near the fossil-carbon reserves. A Carbon Tax is ok, but meaningless, Oxygen released by the evolution of photosynthesis was for a billion+ years simply taken up by crustal metals, etc. to form oxides. Most Oxygen ever released by life forms is inaccessible now. Fossil-fuel companies, and we who burn stuff, have never had to pay for what makes those fuels useful. NASA, however, must pay for every Oxygen atom it needs to launch. So should the rest of us.
Charles TeryJanuary 20, 2015 8:45 pm
dan the last ice age was about 30,000 to 40,000 years long.
Charles TeryJanuary 20, 2015 8:39 pm
When Wheat was domesticated it was much warmer than today. I would say that it would be the GMO wheat that will have an issue. You do know that it was extremely warmer before the birth of civilization.
SabreJanuary 20, 2015 5:53 pm
So the UN is now trying to protect the Rich!!
Al HopferJanuary 20, 2015 5:15 pm
I have grown potatoes for decades. Some scientific studies are apparently very biased or they do not understand the concept of growing potatoes. Global climate change (including high altitudes) have been very flat for the past 17 years. So for the above claim of bad growing weather for potatoes over the past 20 years is poor claim per temperature change for the following reasons. Plus the above article first claims the past 20 years and then says "over the past It is a wall known fact that potatoes can be grown in warmer climates simply by treating them more like a winter crop than a summer crop. The winters (or end of winters) in warmer climates will be cool enough to grow potatoes. Apparently what the scientists are claiming is damage to crops if planted too late in a warmer climate. Farmers with experience in planting/growing potato crops know this and adjust if a early Spring is expected, for example. Potatoes do need a cool climate, and apparently this is what these researchers are hanging their hat on, almost as if they never actually studied a high altitude growing area. Potatoes also need to be watched to prevent sunburn. This is where disaster can strike a potato farmer if not properly shaded (low cover not trees etc.) or are lacking sufficient rain fall. Therefore, the above comment that temperature change AND less rain fall ARE the cause... most likely means rainfall is the problem not the temperature due to global warming, there is an adjustment for that by experienced potato growers. Just to say potatoes need cooler weather to grow and then claim warming global temperatures are the blame is poor "research". Or an attempt to get governmental aid for a lack-luster crop yield if poorly farmed or unlucky.
mydogmoeJanuary 20, 2015 4:19 pm
Potatoes are a huge cash crop in Florida and Alabama. Last time I checked they were rather warm places. Maybe the South Americans should change their seed instead of whining...
WarrenJanuary 20, 2015 3:04 pm
Based on your post, It seems more likely that 97% of the news articles you read are Science Denying blogs.
GuyBBJanuary 19, 2015 10:59 pm
As a simple matter of National Security, placing a significant fraction of your electrical generation capacity in fragile, huge solar installations, is a glaring weakness. When you try to calculate the economic viability of solar power, you are paying all the costs up front, so, in effect, you replaced the operating costs of fuel, with capital. And to break even, let alone make money on that investment, you have to hope that you actually get the full rated output for 30 years. Now, let's say India invests 3 trillion dollars in solar capacity over the next 10 years. (Don't laugh, that's what he was calling for...snicker) And Pakistan gets mad at them. They could cripple India's economy, infrastructure and electrical grid for decades, simply by blowing up a huge, fragile target.
Jim WrightJanuary 19, 2015 5:35 pm
Canada and Russia will be able to grow hundreds ofthousands of acres of wheat when the temp rises.
M. WrightJanuary 19, 2015 5:18 pm
Antarctic sea ice in increasing because the Southern Ocean is cooling. Anything else that you read, the 9 excuses that we hear, are lies.
M. WrightJanuary 19, 2015 5:14 pm
I know nothing about the subject, but based on the fact that 97% of news articles I read about global warming are alarmist lies, I assume this is more of the same.
fred smithJanuary 19, 2015 4:34 pm
I just read a news article about the record world crop harvest due to the increased CO2 levels. Hummm...some one is lying, trying to lead us around by the nose. I know who I believe.....I follow the money. Those who get money to provide statistics will always make those stats match what the money provider wants and that keeps the money rolling in.
pmagnJanuary 19, 2015 11:00 am
So my pricing is based on very simple model , what price would it take to stop most people from flying .. I estimate around $600 to $1000
WarrenJanuary 18, 2015 4:41 pm
I bet the Pope reads the peer-reviewed science, all of which concludes AGW. The 'independent sources' you refer are not peer-reviewed, and your comment about income redistribution -- which has nothing to do with Science -- indicates you have a fear of the Scientific evidence for AGW because you don't like the solution to the problem. That's hardly a logical way to think about science.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 18, 2015 9:22 am
You say, "the Chinese POLITICAL POSITION of 'no action now because it jeopardizes economic growth' is conceptually incorrect and harmful to the ECONOMIC and environmental condition of those same citizens, and all citizens of the world, because the costs of adaption will be much higher than the cost of mitigation." As I keep saying, I'm not arguing that China's got it right. Nor have I said that I like it. But what I am saying (and you seem unwilling to hear) is that they're ignoring calls to change that policy and - as they're entitled to do under the UNFCCC - are prioritising economic growth and poverty alleviation over emission reduction. I have no doubt you want to see that changed. But I'd be most interested to learn how you propose to go about achieving it. US and EU negotiators have tried and failed. Perhaps you can suggest a new approach? I suspect the difference between us, Warren, is that you're a dreamer and I'm a realist. I prefer to face the world as it is. If I don't like what I see and believe I can influence change, I do so. But, if not, I try to find the best way of living with it.
Mesa O'tayJanuary 18, 2015 8:32 am
There is no evidence that the natural causes of climate change, such as solar activity, are somehow being overwhelmed by mankind.
CartoonmickJanuary 18, 2015 3:49 am
Powerful business leaders who have the ear of politicians are a major problem. They encourage politicians to make decisions which favour their business, instead of favouring corrective action against climate change. Politicians must listen to advice from climate scientists, and not listen to advice from business people as they know little of the mechanics of climate change. This cartoon depicts this problem . . . . https://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-775 Cheers Mick
Dr RJJanuary 17, 2015 11:28 pm
land based stations only represent 15% of the land mass and contrary to this article, many are in heat sinks (cities, airports, etc) that typically report high. The most accurate data is satellite measurements of the troposphere. NOAA reported this also and it showed 2014 to be 3rd warmest, essentially tied with 2005. We have seen no statistically significant temp rise in 18 consecutive years.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 17, 2015 5:51 pm
"I for one am not willing to sit idly by and let that happen." OK - then I suggest you pack your bags, fly (unfortunate but you've little practical alternative) to China and India and insist on seeing their political leaders. Don't take No for an answer. When (if) you get to see them, look them squarely in the eye and tell them that prioritising poverty alleviation over emission reduction is a terrible misjudgement. Good luck.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 16, 2015 11:19 pm
Hello, Warren - good to hear from you again. I will answer. But, before I do so, please give me a source for that "800-1000 gigawatts of renewable power generation". Thanks.
netprophetJanuary 16, 2015 10:41 pm
Klaus Hager, a 44-year veteran meteorologist spent 8 years comparing temperature readings of older mercury gauges that were used in Germany and throughout the world decades ago with newer modern instruments and he found that no matter where he placed the gauges, the average temperature reading difference shows that the newer gauges were 0.93 deg C or 1.5 deg F higher on average than the older mercury readings. Interestingly, Germany's spike in temperature began in 1985 and ended in 2000 and has been flat since 2000. 1985 was the first year Germany began replacing old Mercury gauges with the newer ones and they finished in the late 1990's. What a coincidence.
WarrenJanuary 16, 2015 8:27 pm
What's your start date for the 'flat temperature trend line'? 18 yrs ago?
WarrenJanuary 16, 2015 8:24 pm
No, but I bet he accepts the findings of peer -reviewed science. Do you?
WarrenJanuary 16, 2015 8:23 pm
No evidence of that, but plenty of evidence for AGW.
David RiceJanuary 16, 2015 6:58 pm
Yet more bad news, but it was predicted to happen more than 100 years ago.
Drb-January 16, 2015 3:09 pm
If you have a serious, terminal if untreated, health problem, you attack it head on, you don't debate about the niceties of not having to change your lifestyle and when your next vacation will be. Saving your life takes the precedent above all else. The planet simply does not have the time to debate 400 ppm or 2C. The top scientists have been flashing red alerts now. Action, not debate over SUVs, cheap airtickets, and developing countries having the 'option' to develop firstly. Options to delay are simply unaffordable now, lest the planet turn into Venus. I for one am not willing to sit idly by and let that happen. Not for my kids future.
Bill WhiteJanuary 15, 2015 11:44 pm
The country would go bankrupt and be in the dark if he is successful in trying to implement this.
mbee1January 15, 2015 7:51 pm
I bet the pope has never read a single paper on the subject much less the various papers on both sides nor looked at the data himself. I bet he has never looked at the giss data set and how it is put together nor compared it with other independent data sets on temperatures, I bet he has never read any of Hanson et al papers on he giss data set, the guy who invented it. The giss data set is used to push the AGW agenda. I bet a million that the pope has read about income redistribution from you and your family to the popes friends in the third world. He is all for income redistribution and wants you to pay for it with carbon taxes.
KaceyJanuary 15, 2015 7:42 pm
Climate is an act of God, infidel!
WarrenJanuary 15, 2015 3:41 pm
You say China is ' Free to continue to increase its CO2 emissions for another 16 years, and which point they intend to level off.' Between now and then China intends to install 800-1000 gigawatts of renewable power generation, more than all the current US power generation portfolio. Its this action that causes the peaking in 2030,vs NEVER ENDING emissions growth. So the issue is not that China is going to peak in 2030, but rather that they're peaking at all, and the future emissions trajectory reduced vs Business as Usual.. Given all this, we could ,I suppose, celebrate peaking in 2030. But we can celebrate more if China pulls the 2030 peak forward to say 2020.
WarrenJanuary 15, 2015 3:15 pm
You say I miss your point? No, I grasp it and accept it, and said so. You refuse to acknowledge MY point, which is that the Chinese POLITICAL POSITION of 'no action now because it jeopardizes economic growth' is conceptually incorrect and harmful to the ECONOMIC and environmental condition of those same citizens, and all citizens of the world, because the costs of adaption will be much higher than the cost of mitigation. You seem to like the status quo. I want to see change to the status quo because the Science, and Economist's assessments of the costs of mitigation vs adaption, say 'no action now' is a serious mistake for the well being of Mankind.
mr_realsurfJanuary 15, 2015 8:00 am
What happens to tax dollars in Canada? I thought they were basically all spent in Canada on Canadian produced services and products.
simple mathJanuary 15, 2015 6:03 am
Hmm. This only solves 0.16% of the problem. Here's the math. If Bengaluru generates 1500 tonnes of plastic per day and KK Plastics can only use 9000 tonnes of plastic to make roads for the entire Bengaluru, it would just solve the problem for 6 days only. We need a more ongoing/permanent solution. On average, this would only solve 0.16% of the problem (assuming you can replace the entire roads once in 10 years = 3650 days and only 6 days of those gave you all the plastic this solution would use !)
dalJanuary 15, 2015 5:10 am
You call this a scientific consensus ? The truth is, it is a self induced, fart generated coma from the mouth of these climate changers.
RonJanuary 15, 2015 4:51 am
I guess this has been a bad week for free speech. Censors only want supporting views.
RonJanuary 15, 2015 4:28 am
Actual climate science requires a joint contribution of almost every scientific discipline, from tree-ring experts to astrophysicists. It's only the handful of liberal college professors (self-labeled "climate scientists") that make all the speeches at activists rallies and make UN reports. Dr. Micheal Mann, one of these, of 2009 Climategate's "Mike's 1998 Nature trick" to "hide the decline" fame, was conspiring with his colleagues in the Climate Research Unit to hiding his tricks from Stephen McIntyre, a retired geologist math wiz (citizen volunteer) who had ripped apart Mann's infamous Nature trick graph McIntyre coined "the hockey stick." To read what are likely the most impartial facts and opinions on this important issue you can read for yourself at climateaudit_org juddithcurry_com wattsupwiththat_com or you can go to Michael Mann's blog at realclimate_org.
Tim AbelsJanuary 14, 2015 9:06 pm
If one looks up the word 'consensus' one finds that it means 100% agreement. Yeah, no. Article is loaded with, shall we say, misrepresentations. No need to be gauche and call them lies. But, Ed King, try journalism with some ethics. At least know the meaning of the words. You're a journalist--words are your tools! Ugh.
Jim HerbstJanuary 14, 2015 9:06 pm
Global warming is absolutely real. It's due to the frequency and severity of solar flares, the uptick in global volcanic activity and the shift in the Earth's magnetic field. It's the very reason that glacier that covered North America as far south as North Carolina disappeared. What's at question is, should these fanatics who blame it on humans for the sake of milking the populous for trillions of dollars be allowed to continue their scam?
BillhookJanuary 14, 2015 7:35 pm
The deniers have been pushing this lie, despite multiple refutations, since Obama first had need of political cover for his ignoring climate destabization for five years. He still has need of that cover, but now its role is to discourage questions as to just how shallow and inadequate his token actions are - e.g. the recent "statement of intent" for 2030 that actually reneges on the level of US emissions cut for 2030 that he "pledged" at Cancun in 2010. Another good reason for demanding that RTCC simply exclude deniers, rather than responding to them individually, is that a good fraction of them are very likely just the output of "virtual persona" computer programs - that are getting quite sophisticated. Regards, Lewis
Dr RJJanuary 14, 2015 7:27 pm
21 minutes and still waiting for RTCC approval. All my comments meet the RTCC comment policy, I reference NOAA as my data source.
Dr RJJanuary 14, 2015 7:21 pm
It has been 14 minutes since my earlier post and it is still on 'hold' for RTCC approval. I though this was a free discussion space?
rickJanuary 14, 2015 7:08 pm
To me It really doesn't matter what anyone decides if man made global warming is real or not. After weighing the evidence for many years on both sides, I'm convinced, its not!
g_sorosJanuary 14, 2015 7:06 pm
GISS is bad. Hadcrut2,3,or 4 are worse. Tree rings, forget about it. Satellite temperature are better but have only been available since 1979. The fact is that we have only guesses at what the global temperature is or was at any elevation at any time and those guess have a wide range of (+) and (-).
Dr RJJanuary 14, 2015 7:05 pm
Should be an interesting vote, especially since NOAA data indicate that 2014 essentially tied 2005 for 3rd warmest. That marks 18 straight years without warming. Satellite data is the reference so to argue otherwise you are 'denying' official NOAA data. The IPCC models are never discussed any more because their predictions are so far off the mark as to be laughable. Mr King quotes the IPCC as saying that "the evidence that humans were warming the earth is inequivical." But, there has been no warming for 18 straight years!
Jim ShanksJanuary 14, 2015 6:58 pm
The Senate decision cannot make global warming real or imaginary. Just as no group of academics in collusion with the UN for the purpose of extorting money from "rich nations" can make it real. Climate change however is a fact. It has been happening for 4.5 billion years since the forming of the planet and long before man. Man is but a speck on the ass of a flea on an Elephant when it comes to our ability to control natural forces.
Climate HomeJanuary 14, 2015 6:24 pm
Thanks Roger - amended ed
John WBJanuary 14, 2015 5:37 pm
Why don't you report the truth? This woman was stopped because she is out on bail pending a court appearance for criminal damage, amongst other things, and had failed to notify the authorities she was leaving. Anyone on bail should expect to have restrictions placed on their movements. It's very likely she was trying to flee the country to avoid the pending trial. Greenpeace have form on this sort of thing, just look what they did in Peru where their activists damaged a world heritage site. Their activists absconded across the border to avoid justice there too.
John HayJanuary 14, 2015 11:17 am
Just curious - will GMO crops be involved? Thanks.
Junior JackJanuary 14, 2015 3:05 am
The Republic of the Marshall Islands has its own ordeals of having lack of Funding assets to building resilience for the whole community. So, I was wondering if GCF will help them out trying to addressing the impacts of Climate Change and more magnifying certain ways of mitigating any Natural Hazards had been approached the islands. Nor, I would like to come up with a solution to have GCF help us sorted out the Disaster Risk Management for the hard work of Natural Hazards in the Marshall Islands. Need your attention for Early Warning Response (EWR)... Thank you. All the Best, Junior Jack PACC Assistant Communication Coordinator Office of Environmental Planning Policy Coordination. Office of the President Republic of the Marshall Islands +(692)625-7944)
Brent SiddonsJanuary 13, 2015 11:42 pm
In my humble opinion, this is a ruse to disguise a consumption tax under the cloak of environmental protection. In this manner they can collect badly needed revenue to tackle their immense debt load and toss the blame on the Feds.Absolute subterfuge that most will see right through.This will definitely hamper any recovery in their manufacturing sector unless Wynne cuts other Taxes to make it revenue neutral as in B.C.
Dr KJanuary 13, 2015 11:25 pm
And what will this tax accomplish? Misery. Where will the funds go? To feed goverment greed.
Roger L. GagneJanuary 13, 2015 7:24 pm
"We think a price should be put on carbon. Ideally the model would be a national carbon tax." Gordon Lambert, Suncor VP of Sustainable Development “Canada's Oil Insiders Want a Carbon Tax” http://thetyee.ca/News/2012/06/20/Carbon-Tax-Supporters/
Roger L. GagneJanuary 13, 2015 7:23 pm
Last July Alberta also got a "withering assessment" from our own Auditor General: "Performance of the province’s six-year-old strategy to combat climate change hasn’t been effectively monitored and work on a new strategy lacks clear guidelines, Alberta’s auditor general said in a report released July 8th." http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/auditor-general-slams-provinces-handling-of-climate-change-strategy
Roger L. GagneJanuary 13, 2015 7:14 pm
Alberta's carbon tax is only $1.80 (a $15 tax on 12% of emissions). And it only affects about 104 companies. If it were simply $3 across the board, that would be a huge improvement.
WarrenJanuary 13, 2015 6:24 pm
I read, understand and accept peer reviewed science
Dr KJanuary 13, 2015 6:11 pm
Nothing to worry about.
SlowMoneyGreenJanuary 13, 2015 3:48 pm
Conservatives win the Indian presidency. Climate Denial appears in India. What a shock.
WarrenJanuary 13, 2015 1:25 pm
No that's false. Both companies supply volunteers to assist in the review process at the IPCC, and spend $10s of millions on research on renewables and to reduce GHG emissions in their operations.
Rullbert BollJanuary 13, 2015 10:42 am
While I don't deny climat change, the human responsibility and the dangers associated, I believe only the glacier images prove more than temporary variations. The rest of the images are cherry-picked to exhibit impacts of weather events that cannot unnequivocally be connected to climat change. So ... nice exhibit, but it proves nothing.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 13, 2015 10:12 am
"... last November’s historic US-China pact, which saw both countries agree long term carbon cutting targets." But that's not what happened. Here's an extract from the "joint announcement" (note not a "pact"): "... China intends to achieve the peaking of CO2 emissions around 2030 ..." (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/11/us-china-joint-announcement-climate-change) In other words, this was no more than a non-binding statement by China that it's free to continue to increase its CO2 emissions for another 16 or so years, at which point it "intends" (does not mean "agrees") that they should level off ("peak" does not mean "reduce"). Nothing there about "long term cutting targets". China's annual emissions are already nearly 30% of global emissions and about twice those of the US. At a compound growth rate of only about 3% (currently its economy is growing by 7% p.a.) they will be triple those of the US by 2030 - more if the US makes the cuts promised by Obama. It may be instructive to note China's emission growth over the last 16 years (see in particular the second graph): http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2013/07/global-co2-emissions-increases-dwarf-recent-u-s-reductions/
Kat HayJanuary 13, 2015 8:31 am
Right. They're not denying, just obstructing progress on every level.
WarrenJanuary 13, 2015 3:25 am
All I can say is 'sobering.' And the longer we delay action, the higher the number, When the cost of adaption is realized in the voter's cash flow, instead of being a theoretical cost of mitigation, maybe then the world's citizens will focus on solving the problem. But that is too late to avoid adaption, and by then the costs will be much higher.
Truth TellerJanuary 13, 2015 3:19 am
Todd- What evidence do you have that any of those photos were phony? You have zip, my poor, paranoid friend. To believe this is the biggest fraud in the world's history, is really, really, dumb, Todd. I suggest you get to your shrink as quickly as possible, you are losing it! Climate change is real, it is happening right now, and you are denying irrefutable evidence right in front of your face.
WarrenJanuary 13, 2015 3:19 am
Your source and provenance for this incorrect information, please.
Chuckfrom St JohnsJanuary 13, 2015 1:27 am
RTCC is six times dumber than most thought.
Watching EagleJanuary 13, 2015 1:14 am
These stories and pictures keep coming, ...Yale Environment 360 Blog is a good read____http://e360.yale.edu/digest_____When will the global community demand security for the 7th generation? I believe to err on the side of caution would be the right thing for humanity, instead of chasing carbon profits. Future Generations will look at people who lived between 1980 and 2080 as idiots for not responding to science.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 12, 2015 9:21 pm
Warren: you have a remarkable ability to consistently miss my point. It’s this: world leaders are most unlikely to agree to substantial and urgent cuts in greenhouse gas emissions because the developing economies, responsible for about 65% of emissions, give overriding priority to economic development and the alleviation of poverty. It’s a position they’re entitled to take under the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (see Article 4.7). Note: nearly all the three billion people existing on less than $2.50 a day live in the developing countries. That’s my key point. It may be unfortunate, even catastrophic, but nonetheless it’s the reality the world faces, whatever “all economists” might say. I appreciate that you find this uncomfortable. But your attempt to portray it as little more than a reflection of my personal position is pathetic. It would be more helpful if you were to suggest practical measures that the West might take to ensure that substantial, urgent and global cuts in emissions are made feasible. BTW I referred to China’s attitude to the science simply to show that there’s evidence that it (including its Academy of Sciences) appears to have a different take on AGW from that of the West. That’s all: I’m not arguing that they’ve got it right. PS: yes, I gave you an inadequate link to the first paper I cited. The paper’s Abstract (not I suggest so “laughable”) can be found here: http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/chinese-research-puts-sun-in-the-frame-for-global-warming.html.
LasquetiScottJanuary 12, 2015 8:44 pm
Big Oil knew what they were doing back in 1962:(
KeithJanuary 12, 2015 8:32 pm
http://350.org/4th-graders-made-a-clever-video-about-their-not-so-white-christmas-but-it-ended-up-being-something-much-more-powerful/
RonEScottJanuary 12, 2015 7:48 pm
3/10 of one degree, REALLY? You had to have gotten that from the merchants of doubt at the Heartland Institute. Global temperatures since the beginning of the industrial revolution have ACTUALLY risen 8 tenths of a degree Celsius, that's 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit! Phony pictures, really. Is that all you've got? The IPCC, the UN, no one has predicted big temperature rises that would take place from 1970 to 2010. The large, dangerous temperature rises are predicted from 2030 on. The DENIAL FRAUD is what has to STOP NOW!
StephanieAndDavidJanuary 12, 2015 7:04 pm
These people think that since it's cold outside, there's no warming. Idiots.
StephanieAndDavidJanuary 12, 2015 7:03 pm
Incorrect. There has been considerable warming since the 1990s. The last 12 years are the warmest on record, with 2014 topping that list. Your attitude smacks of the deniers who refused to believe that the Earth circles the sun. Oh, and the Earth is round, not flat.
RonEScottJanuary 12, 2015 6:56 pm
REALLY?? The Death Star Exxon, owned by Koch Industries, as well as the Koch Brothers have been funding the Merchants of Doubt for decades. They have put countless millions, you can't count it now because they put the money in untraceable dark money funds, into the Heartland Institute and many other professional deniars. Heartland is spending millions on stopping the move to renewables as well. The Kochs, Chevron and Shell are pumping millions into lobbying for the Tar Sands, the dirtiest fossil fuel developed so far. To say the extraction industry supports the effort to cut emissions, change to renewables and hold global warming to 2 degrees centigrade is LUDICROUS at best and a bald faced LIE in reality.
ElizaJanuary 12, 2015 6:16 pm
Don't you realize that "big green money" is nothing compared to big oil money? For example, Exxon-Mobil's net worth is $438 billion, making it the 5th richest company in the world. Three of the four companies outranking it are also oil and gas companies (Walmart, which is #2, is the exception). The rest of the top companies list is positively littered with oil and gas companies. If people were really in it for the money, wouldn't it be a lot easier to just invest or work in oil and gas instead?
Economist2011January 12, 2015 6:03 pm
makes you wonder why these deniers are so intent on running from the facts. Besides...how do you retouch old photographs of glaciers compared to pictures ANY tourist can clearly see from the decks of a cruise ship today? Glacier Bay in Alaska lost a whopping 70 miles of ice since the beginning of the 20th century.
Economist2011January 12, 2015 6:00 pm
Todd, you are so full of yourself. Your facts are completely unsupported. The only fraud is YOU.
Economist2011January 12, 2015 5:58 pm
great photographic proof on the climate change phenomenon. Deniers are on the run.
ElizaJanuary 12, 2015 5:55 pm
I wish I could have your ignorance. It must be a happy place, believing that everything is fine. What exactly would be the motivation behind inventing a climate change myth? If climate scientists were in it for the money, they would have become doctors or lawyers or college football coaches instead; there are no climate scientists making millions. Quite the opposite, in fact.
RaoJanuary 12, 2015 5:21 pm
Let green peace get some sustainable green technology and set up a power plant. These will be the first people to slam government for the lack of electricity supply to rural areas. Anyway, why would she has to travel all the way to London when no-cost online video chats are available. Who is paying for her trip?why don't that British MP take care of British problems instead of involving in Indian affairs?
MonstarJanuary 12, 2015 5:09 pm
About time someone treats them as the terrorist they are. They should be on every country's no fly list. Very funny how they use the words "intimidate and bully" and "infringe" on rights. That is exactly what they do to the workers during their attacks on the oil rigs and other sites. Pathetic bunch of busy bodies. Stop wasting fuel and use a row boat to protest the drilling, then people may take you serious...hahaha
WinstonsBackJanuary 12, 2015 11:51 am
Freedom of speech is under attack around the World. From the streets of Paris where journalists are gunned down without mercy, to the Middle east where a blogger calling for a more liberal regime is flogged and jailed to 10 years to the biggest democracy in the World where environmental campaigners are denied their freedom of movement. Je Suis Charlie!
Robert MillerJanuary 12, 2015 9:20 am
China is set to build commercial Thorium nuclear power plants in 9 years. We originally developed this technology and abandoned it in 1971. It's 200 times more efficient than a typical Uranium power plant and burns up 99.99% of it's fuel rather than 0.05 to at best 5% of the fuel in a light water reactor. It's reactor can't "China Syndrome". Accidents like the one in Ukraine and Japan can't happen. The fuel is safe enough to handle or keep in your pocket with no ill effects.
nigelfJanuary 11, 2015 5:13 pm
Economic suicide, as practiced by the EU. The sooner they fail and break up the better for the people living under that regime.
WarrenJanuary 11, 2015 4:28 pm
Sorry, Guenier There's no Chinese Science, or English Science, as you imply. There's just SCIENCE. And ALL The World's National Institutions of Science, China's included, conclude AGW.
Jim WrightJanuary 11, 2015 4:10 pm
More ice means the oceans are colder not warmer!
Alan PoirierJanuary 11, 2015 6:42 am
How much heat do you think the oceans can return to the atmosphere? It's quite limited. El Nino years are always followed by La Nina years. Overall, all the heat that currently being stored in the oceans naturally will raise air temperatures by about .02 C.
WarrenJanuary 11, 2015 5:01 am
You should apologize not for the length of your post, but for the integrity of the Science cited. As you say 'it's hard to imagine such 'papers' being published by the Royal Academy' or by ANY institution of science for that matter. Your first 'paper' is not a paper at all, but rather a laughable commentary on a paper. ALL science --not just in the West -- has established the relative contribution of solar effects as small compared to the Greenhouse effect. Furthermore, solar output has DECREASED since the 70s. The idea that solar accounts for global warming is not supported by ANY science, Chinese or English. And the 2nd 'paper' talks about the MWP which is irrelevant to modern day AGW, and the paper doesn't even claim it is relevant to the issue. Neither of your claims are valid science nor do they support your assertions of Chinese Scientific Institutional skepticism' of AGW. The rest of your post is nothing more than a ill-disguised wish for no action to be taken on Climate, but using the Chinese as a proxy for such thinking. Leaving us still with your apparent unwillingness to accept what all Economists studying the issue tell us -- that delayed or no action will lead to greater economic and environmental costs than will immediate action. If we indeed care about the economic well-being of China's citizens, and our own, our attitude should not be to applaud leaders and citizens who resist action, but to ADVOCATE for Leaders and citizens to act in their own interest now, and reduce GHG emissions.
WarrenJanuary 11, 2015 1:38 am
One is anti-science if he or she denies the findings of science. Which is that Earth is warming due to mans burning of fossil fuels., No institution of science on the planet disputes this finding of all peer-reviewed scientific research.
WarrenJanuary 11, 2015 1:35 am
No, that's not correct. Methane's GWP (Global Warming potential) is 21 times the GWP of CO2, pound for pound, but there's far more CO2 in the atmosphere. So Methane is "only" the 2nd most significant contributor to global warming in the atmosphere, but represents 9% of total US GHG emissions. Eliminating methane emissions won't relieve the need to stop emitting CO2, unfortunately.
Rich BalanceJanuary 10, 2015 2:00 pm
According to recent peer reviewed science, the greenhouse effect is essentially maxed out. Adding more CO2, or any GHG, will not cause any problems. All more CO2 does is enhance plant growth.
WarwickJanuary 10, 2015 5:06 am
You're simply confused. You're confusing localised and regional climatic changes, such as the little ice age etc, with global climatic changes. I suppose that's why people with many years of education in the relevant sciences are able to see through the fluff that is your argument whilst laypersons, such as yourself, become confused, flummoxed and suspicious by the same data. As the saying goes, 'a little knowledge can be dangerous' - you assume a greater degree of understanding and knowledge than you possess and then proceed to assert simplistic argument and even more simplistic conclusions. If you don't discard your doctors advice in favour of Dr Google, and hey, we all know doctors are subject to Big Pharma influence, then why would you discard the data and conclusions of many thousands of climate science professionals and simply assert there is some conspiracy? Ignorance may be blissful and a little knowledge may be dangerous but outright denial of facts and verifiable, peer reviewed conclusions is simple idiocy.
Markos ApostolosJanuary 9, 2015 11:21 pm
The price of oil has nothing to do with production and consumption changes! The overall changes in consumption and or production does not exceed 1-3% at the most and the price of oil plunged 50%! The oil prices are determined by speculators (mostly in New York Stock Exchange) who buy the contract for oil and sell it to make profits from it without having to deliver a single barrel of oil. These speculators are all Wall Street gang that determined, all of a sudden, to dump their contracts and sell at low prices. In the mean time our crony US Government and crony US Congress passed in a hurry a law (During the time right before Christmas when they know that no one will be available) Courtesy of the Cronybus(sic) last minute passage, government was provided a quid-pro-quo $1.1 trillion spending allowance with Wall Street's blessing in exchange for assuring banks that taxpayers would be on the hook for yet another bailout, as a result of the swaps push-out provision, after incorporating explicit Citigroup language that allows financial institutions to trade certain financial derivatives from subsidiaries that are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp, explicitly putting taxpayers on the hook for losses caused by these contracts. Translation to the sheep: The US Congress allowed oil trade contract speculators and the banks that inure them to get free money from the US Government when they start losing money on the price of oil that is decreasing exponentially! The end game is that this Wall Street ploy will cause problems for Russia, but it will also cause more problems for our booming US oil and gas industry that is the reason for the improved employment numbers. But when was the US citizen or the Us economy important for the cronies who run Wall Street and funds the politicians in the Capitol Hill and White House?
WarrenJanuary 9, 2015 7:53 pm
I encourage more non-scientist doubters to read, rather than assume, and to understand the science which universally finds that Man is warming the planet through his burning of fossil fuels.
WarrenJanuary 9, 2015 7:51 pm
Let's see. ALL the worlds institutions of Science -- the National Academies, scientific professional associations, major Universities, NASA, NOAA, 99+% of peer reviewed research papers -- ALL of them conclude 'Man's activities (fossil fuel burning) are warming the Earth, and the net effects are likely to be strongly negative. And a random non-scientist asserts 'there is no evidence'? You must be quite brilliant with your 5th grade research.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 9, 2015 7:47 pm
I’ve don’t doubt that the science on the basis of which those who, like the UCL researchers referred to in that BBC report, are seeking to reduce greenhouse emissions is not, as some may allege, a hoax. Nor is it a conspiracy. I agree with you about that. But the problem they – and the developed economies (essentially the “West”) – face is the awkward fact that the developing economies, led by China, are resolute in their belief (supported by the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change) that the alleviation of poverty has priority over the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. And these economies are responsible for about 65% of such emissions. Obviously you think that’s a foolish – arguably catastrophic – misjudgement. But insulting me isn’t going to fix it. Perhaps you have some ideas about how the developing world might be persuaded to rethink its position? Maybe a demonstration in Tiananmen Square?
GeraldWilhiteJanuary 9, 2015 6:11 pm
Don't worry about fracking. Oil at $67 can hardly be called cheap. Worry aout the mindset of those who deny cheap dependable energy to the world's poor. Worry about arrogant minds who think they are saving the world by shackling the poor with energy chains of slavery. They are the true slaves, the ones who who obediently serve their global masters. Prosperous people take care of their environment.
BillhookJanuary 9, 2015 3:58 pm
While this is a well written and very informative article on the rarely discussed issue of nations' actual negotiating stances, there are three further aspects which the author might do well to consider in future writing on the subject. First, Stern's epocal statement "If equity is in, we are out" indicates a fundamental anomally in the US stance. The negotiation is not of a one-off short-term problem but of a profound and ubiquitous change in global society that will require many decades of effective co-operation between nations. Without the equity component of a treaty being immediately obvious and robust, no treaty will endure the rise of future politicians seeking power by promising to renege on what they claim to be its unjust terms. From this perspective the equity component is more than a moral imperative: it is absolutely functional and prerequisite for a commensurate treaty. Washington has been very well aware of this factor since the '90s but continues to stall serious advance towards a commensurate treaty by opposing the equity principle, which to me indicates a lack of interest in any outcome other than awaiting sufficient climatic destabilization of global agriculture to break its rival's bid to usurp America's cherished global economic dominance. (Maintaining that dominance was evidently the paramount bipartisan US policy priority from WW2 to the ending of the USSR in '92, and we lack any indication of its review under Clinton, Cheney or Obama). Second, the widespread claim of needing to burn fossil fuels to accelerate economic development to bring the poorest billions out of poverty seems downright perverse, given what is now formally defined on the effects of excess airborne CO2, even by the intentionally-conservative IPCC. The impacts on agriculture and on societal infrastructure of even the political goal of respecting a 2.0C ceiling on warming are plainly going to destroy the resources and livelihoods of hundreds of millions if not billions during the coming decades. And that is without including CO2E emissions from the major interactive feedbacks' acceleration in response to such warming, and their offsetting the reduction of society's emissions. From this perspective it seems rather obvious that the only means of bringing billions out of poverty is to establish a global transition out of fossil fuels ASAP, along with establishing a new global industry in "Carbon Recovery for Food Security" by means of widespread native afforestation for biochar enhancement of farm soils. Third, the deficiency of both the US+2 allies' stance and the new industrial powers' stance indicates little chance of actual progress in Paris without a well-reasoned meta-stance being promoted by a coalition of other parties. One seminal component of the latter would be the Carbon Recovery program being applied as a means not only of :- - establishing massive new rural employment globally in native afforestation, coppicing and processing, - and the establishment of immense new forest biodiversity reserves, - and the launch of a major new supply of co-product methanol from the gigatonnes of charcoal production, - and the highly significant increase of global farm yields from poor soils, - and the cleansing of the atmosphere's CO2 burden by around 2100, but also the program's administration being mandated to cover the requisite costs over and above its two revenue streams from all parties to the UNFCCC, according to their cumulative CO2E emissions that are still present in the atmosphere. This would act as both an efficiency and an equity component in negotiations and could, potentially, be of value in dissolving the obstruction of the long-term disagreement over the inequity of nations' cumulative emissions. Yet even this is going to require a US decision to address AGW rather than letting it rip in hopes of future national advantage in maintaining its hegemony. Regards, Lewis Cleverdon
DavidAppellJanuary 9, 2015 9:39 am
And the environmental destruction has increased apace.
Ray TortJanuary 9, 2015 7:56 am
The author's gratuitous statement is WRONG! There is no empirical evidence that climate change is not a natural phenomenon. On all time scales from seasonal to multi-millennial CO2 increases after the earth warms and not before. The Outgoing Long wave Infrared Radiation has been increasing, not decreasing as ALL global warming hypothesis assume will happen. The author should do some fifth grade level research instead of repeating rhetoric proven to be false. Look up the climate databases.
WarrenJanuary 9, 2015 3:01 am
Those that argue 'no warming' are often looking at satellite data which is less reliable than surface measurement. A recent study by Feng, I believe, estimates errors of up to 30% in temperature anomalies inferred from satellite data. Yes trends are the right concept, and trends at least 3 decades long. And since only 3% of the excess heat energy from AGW goes into the atmosphere, and 90% into the oceans, and since weather patterns such as El Nino can mask climate trends, large shorter term variations in atmospheric temperature are no surprise.
Drb-January 9, 2015 2:42 am
.Again, climate change Is NOT a 'belief system' if big institutes like banks, militaries, and energy companies are putting its pending consequences on their balance sheet.... Its a 'fact' system. Ure choosing to ignore at Ure own peril. And yes, evidence suggests Sandy and Katrina were caused by climate change, just like evidence suggests smoking causes cancer and HIV causes AIDS, for the denialists there is no EXACT, PERFECT , link to EITHER, either and they know it. They just playing games, or trying their utmost to deny reality and mend their polluting ways. The earths sky is not a giant sewer system for planes, trains, boats, and SUVS... Something's gotta give eventually.... In this case the enviroment is showing the strains....
Senior MemberdadJanuary 9, 2015 2:31 am
Methane is 9% being 20 times as potent, means current methane impact is 200% of what carbon dioxide is . . . therefore eliminate the methane, and we can double the current CO2 levels. and in fact this may be necessary to prevent drastic global cooling.
PygmalionJanuary 9, 2015 1:15 am
" The White House is set to unveil a new package of measures that will crack down on methane emissions from the oil and gas industry. - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/01/08/obama-prepares-crackdown-on-methane-emissions/#sthash.BMzZILI5.dpuf Why did he leave out cows and sheep - the more significant contributors?
BertJanuary 9, 2015 12:20 am
It's most certainly not the end of fracking, that's insane. Then again, it's an article from biased source with low understanding of market economics, and very poor journalistic skills, it's a poorly written article. This is a temporary market shift. Prices will rise again and everything will get back on track. OPEC doesn't have the capacity or reserves to hold prices down that long, but the big question is the onset of the next great recession due to the failures of socialism. Most developed countries are highly leveraged and are running high deficits with economies and social programs all nearing collapse. Won't take much to get the whole thing imploding.
Jim_MorrisJanuary 8, 2015 9:11 pm
True science considers ALL the factors, and listens to those who do not agree with consensus thinking. When someone implies that it is improper to disagree with commonly accepted concepts, that person is anti-science. And when someone calls anyone that does not agree with the consensus a "skeptic," or a "denier," that person only reveals a bias that is based in politics, rather than in science.
Rob SparrowJanuary 8, 2015 8:33 pm
"Against a weight of evidence to the contrary" is a somewhat pejorative way to start the article but is typical of the media trying to stifle any debate. I encourage more scientists to express doubt about the natural cycle of climate change being totally superseded by human impact.
g_sorosJanuary 8, 2015 8:13 pm
Voices of reason are difficult to hear in a panic and are very likely to be ignored or even attacked.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 8, 2015 7:09 pm
You say “China and other countries must come to terms with the reality of the Science and its implications for future generations”. But, Warren, the West has been trying for over 20 years to persuade the developing world to change its attitude to global warming – and has totally failed to do so. It’s unlikely to succeed now. And that I believe is the harsh – arguably unpleasant – reality with which we have little choice but to come to terms. In earlier days, I suppose we might have sent a gunboat to enforce change. But that’s no longer an option. There’s been one main reason for developing nations’ intransigence: their determination to make the alleviation of poverty their overriding priority. But it seems there’s another reason: increasing uncertainty about what you describe as “the reality of the Science”. I’ve already referred to the views of Ding Zhongli, the influential VP of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (the CAS is one of the world’s largest such academies, hosting more than 350 international conferences a year and ranking above Oxford, Yale and Caltech). But other senior people have expressed similar views. Here, for example, is an extract from an interview with Xie Zhenhua, China’s most senior climate change official and lead negotiator: “We have to have an open attitude to the scientific research. There's an alternative view that climate change is caused by cyclical trends in nature itself. We have to keep an open attitude.” (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7067505/China-has-open-mind-about-cause-of-climate-change.html) But arguably two peer-reviewed papers published by the CAS this year provide even more compelling evidence: 1. http://phys.org/wire-news/163418219/has-solar-activity-influence-on-the-earths-global-warming.html An extract: “The climate models of IPCC seem to underestimate the impact of natural factors on the climate change, while overstate that of human activities. Solar activity is an important ingredient of natural driving forces of climate. … As pointed out by a peer reviewer, ‘this work provides a possible explanation for the global warming’.” 2. http://english.ieecas.cn/research/researchprogress/201412/t20141229_133705.html A comment by Hong Yan of the Institute of Earth Environment, Chinese Academy of Sciences: “This new paper adds further material to the substantial body of real-world proxy evidence establishing that today’s global temperature is within natural ranges of past changes.” It’s hard to imagine such papers (and views) being published by the US National Academy of Sciences or the UK Royal Society. And it seems that it’s not only in China that sceptical views are being expressed in senior scientific venues. See for example this report of a recent meeting of the Indian Science Congress: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/45786412.cms. My bottom line: the once all-powerful West is rapidly losing its influence in the world. And, regarding global warming, it doesn’t yet appreciate the widening gulf between its view of and intentions re global warming and those of the developing world. It’s time to come to terms with this reality. My apologies for the length of this post.
Drb-January 8, 2015 5:55 pm
It appears your masquerading as a pseudo expert. Of something.... But you are sheep to be sheared by a system the enslaves everyone to a toxic product. What do want a pat on the back for smoking cigarettes too? Are you just gonna let big oil tell you al,is fine, move along now? read this, it's out today, is everything to try to save planet earth from fossil fuels vast toxicity a vast 'conspiracy'.... That defies logic.... http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30709211
GuyBBJanuary 8, 2015 4:15 pm
The really funny thing is, as most of this propaganda, they don't mention facts that fly in the face of the narrative. Like, coastal cities already experience nuisance flooding a dozen or more times per year.
Biologyteacher100January 8, 2015 1:28 pm
11 of the twelve warmest years in the climate record have occurred since the massive El Nino year of 1998. 2014 is the warmest year yet and if the expected weak El Nino arrives in 2015, this year will be another record. However scientists don't care about annual records, but the upward trend tells the story. The warming pause is a bogus concept for people who don't understand data analysis.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 8, 2015 10:22 am
Drb: 1. Let’s start with poverty. This site provides some basic data: http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats. Read it carefully. Your absurd suggestion that improving the lot of such desperately deprived people means enabling them to buy an SUV etc. is beneath contempt. 2. You say that global warming should be tackled before poverty alleviation. Unfortunately (for that view) the developing world, home to nearly all the world’s poorest people, disagrees: it insists that poverty alleviation must be the priority. And (again unfortunately for your view) the developing world is responsible for about 65% of global GHG emissions. 3. Ding Zhongli is (as stated in the article to which I provided a link above) “China’s most prestigious geophysicist and VP of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, described as ‘the final word on climate science for the Chinese Communist Party’” The article goes on to note how his “deep skepticism”, given prominence in the Chinese Academy of Science’s publications, makes it “clear that no one in the Chinese Politburo is truly anxious about the climatic consequences of global warming”. 4. If that is their view (and recent evidence indicates that it is), you of course will think they’ve got it horribly and dangerously wrong. And maybe they have. But essentially they’re calling the shots: China is the world’s largest economy and home to about 20% of the world’s population. And it’s responsible for nearly 30% of global GHG emissions, more than the US and EU combined. China moreover is the leader of – and role model for – the developing world. What all this means is that, as I stated in my initial post above, it’s most unlikely that world leaders will agree to make substantial and urgent cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. An uncomfortable and unwelcome reality perhaps – but one I suggest you get used to.
AtticusJanuary 8, 2015 6:43 am
I think it caused a bunch of micro-earthquakes, not a major one. Fracking is still a problem though.
WarrenJanuary 8, 2015 4:24 am
Where do scientists 'come up' with their conclusions? Through research, data, and evidence. And a lifetime spent learning physics, chemistry, and mathematics. And submitting their research to review by their peers. Your anecdotes are all interesting, but do not include global avg temperature data...showing the fastest rise in global temperatures in millennia, precipitous multi decade declines in global ice volumes, a 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 to the highest levels in 20 million years, migration of species to northern latitudes, rising sea levels, warming oceans becoming less alkaline, and more. Have you submitted your analysis for peer review and publication?
Thunderboy1January 8, 2015 1:04 am
It's bad enough that some people have actually bought in to the notion that CO2 is a pollutant, and it is heating up the planet. 600 million years ago, CO2 was over 4,000 ppm, and the planet didn't burn up. In fact, it flourished. Desertification doesn't come from heat. It comes from lack of humidity, which is more associated with cold than heat. Operating under this misguided premise, it does us no good to reduce OUR carbon emissions if places like China and India are just gonna keep spewing out carbon like there's no tomorrow. Even if all of mankind stopped using fossil fuels immediately, it would take over a thousand years before any discernible changes could be seen.
WarrenJanuary 7, 2015 10:49 pm
Hardly. Sea level rise is caused primarily by two factors related to global warming: the added water coming from the melting of land ice and the expansion of sea water as it warms. Go here for the data: http://climate.nasa.gov/:
WarrenJanuary 7, 2015 7:45 pm
You say low oil prices are bad for the U.S. economy? thats a new version of economics! Unless you think consumers exist to serve the oil industry, instead of the other way round.
CommonSenseJanuary 7, 2015 3:42 pm
They will get the 3 votes they need to override Obama. Dems are vulnerable everywhere and it will be easy to now paint them as anti-job growth anti low eneegry price people if they do not join the GOP.
Joe WelterJanuary 7, 2015 3:39 pm
Heck yeah he wants to veto it.... Its called jobs.....
WarrenJanuary 7, 2015 1:50 pm
You say the West must come to terms with the reality of China's intransigence on climate change? Instead, I'd say that China and other countries must come to terms with the reality of the Science and its implications for future generations. My prior post criticized your original post for focusing only the current 'reality' and not addressing the need for change. My criticism still stands.
Ham ChannellJanuary 7, 2015 9:12 am
Actually in some small instances it has grown in the past year - but if you look at the over all trend of the last 50 years - the graph lines all go up - 1 year or 2 does not change the trend of 50 years.
Drb-January 7, 2015 8:21 am
I don't know who Mr. ding is and don't care, but if he's flouting denialism, he ain't no real scientist. I think your STILL flouting rearranging Titantic Deckchairs, you need to DEFINE poverty alleviation. If it means everybody in Asia being able to buy a new SUV, 200 m squared apt., and shop at Tiffany's or Harrods, then it is NOT a credible argument. Global warming is a dead serious problem, a cancer on the planet right now.... It needs to be tackled first, no 'mean culpas' for some 5th Ave slick advertisement of 'poverty alleviation'. BTW, for Ding, why not he also say HIV lacks definitive proof it causes AIDs, or that smoking lacks 'definitive proof' it causes cancer? Hey, if you want a 100% correlation with any of these paradigms! your not gonna get. Now excuse me whilst I put the kids to bed, never mind the kitchen is on fire, their wellbeing and rest is considerably MORE important.
tharunJanuary 7, 2015 7:32 am
and thanks to global warming, things like this are happening way more frequently and at larger rates. u nut
John BrookesJanuary 7, 2015 4:06 am
What if it turns out that global warming is real?
HarryWiggsJanuary 7, 2015 3:51 am
I see: So, if you have a temperature go from 103F to 105F (1C = ~1.8F) there's not a worry, eh? Didn't do well in science classes, did you?
HarryWiggsJanuary 7, 2015 3:47 am
IPCC said no such thing, and, oh by the way, didya hear about 2014 being the hottest ON Record? No. No, you didn't...or you just don't care for, you know, science.
DrTommoJanuary 7, 2015 3:44 am
Except the fact that 2014 was the hottest year on record rather scuppers your little cup of "no warming for 18 years", doesn't it?
Co2 MoleculeJanuary 7, 2015 3:20 am
Thank you, thank you very much.
badge3832January 7, 2015 2:12 am
President Obama is a supporter of fracking.
Ted HackJanuary 7, 2015 1:33 am
duane, the difference in global temperature between the depth of glaciation and the Holocene Thermal Optimum was only about 4 degrees C. That difference created mile-thick ice sheets in Iowa, for example. The last time it was as warm as it currently is was over 125,000 years ago in the Eemian.
Ted HackJanuary 7, 2015 1:29 am
Todd, where did you get your data? In a Cracker Jack box? The actual NASA GISS data shows that from 1904 though 2013, the global surface temperature increased 0.935 degrees C. See http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:1904/to:2014/mean:12/plot/gistemp/from:1904/to:2014/trend And over the past 18 years, Earth has warmed 0.15 degrees C. See http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/last:216/mean:1/mean:1/plot/gistemp/last:216/trend/trend
spookymilkJanuary 7, 2015 12:35 am
"Phony pictures and retouched maps," he says! Man, it must be amazing to make hilariously off-base claims and immediately believe them and every other conspiracy theory out there. I'm almost jealous of your ability to find lies and drama in every corner of the universe.
Engineer66January 7, 2015 12:04 am
The warming is a whopping 0.8 degrees over the past 150 years, a warming that has tapered off to essentially nothing in the last decade and a half.
RoyJanuary 6, 2015 11:56 pm
Keystone would make it safer to move oil to refineries. They move all that oil on trucks and railroad tankers now. That's not safer have that travel through or towns
Markos ApostolosJanuary 6, 2015 11:23 pm
I thought that Obama teamed up with Saudi Arabia to ruin Russia's economy. Turned out that while doing so, he ruined the US economy. The US Steel company in Pittsburgh announced the layoff of 650 workers today as the steel pipes used in fracking oil and gas are slacking due to the low oil prices artificially made by Saudi Arabia and the US regime!
Robin_GuenierJanuary 6, 2015 11:13 pm
I suspect, Warren, that you may misunderstand what’s happening in the world. By far the most important example is China: now the world’s largest economy – an economy that’s growing at around 7% p.a., home to about 20% of the world’s population and responsible for nearly 30% of global GHG emissions (more than the US and EU combined) and whose per capita emissions now exceed those of the EU. China moreover is the leader of – and role model for – the so-called developing world, home to nearly all the world’s poorest people and responsible for about 65% of global GHG emissions. China therefore holds the pivotal position in international climate negotiations. And China has made it wholly clear that it sees economic development and the elimination of poverty as having higher priority than GHG reduction. And that, Warren, is the position of its government – the Communist Politburo – not of its citizens: China is not in any sense a democracy. So you see: it’s not the short term view of its citizens that’s driving that policy. It’s the very deliberate, considered and determined view of its ruling elite. I’m sure you regard that government as having got it horribly wrong: if that's the way the world's going, we’re heading for catastrophe. Perhaps you’re right. But there’s abundant evidence that China has a very different take on the science from that of the West. For example (see my response to Drb below): the Vice President of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (“the final word on climate science for the Chinese Communist Party”) has observed that a significant relationship between temperature and CO2 “lacks reliable evidence in science”. I can provide plenty more such evidence if you’re interested. And that, Warren, is the reality with which we in the West will have to come to terms in the years ahead. I suggest you may find it helpful to start to do so now.
LanceJanuary 6, 2015 9:36 pm
Actually it's OPEC that's lowering prices.
WarrenJanuary 6, 2015 9:26 pm
Not in France?
WarrenJanuary 6, 2015 9:25 pm
Very informative post. Thanks. Which seems to point toward Nuclear as the only capable replacement for fossil fuels.
Carl JensenJanuary 6, 2015 9:13 pm
It always boils down to the money. The way I see it, industrialization was a part of human evolution and the whole world benefited from it. Now we fear emissions are mucking up the planet so we are changing our ways. Hopefully even the "poor" nations, although they seem to prefer doing business as usual, plus money from developed nations to deal with climate change. Plus the normal aid money that they are already getting to help in infrastructure. And then I have to wonder if this "climate change justice" will even be properly spent or if it will go towards a ruler's new mansion. Frankly, I neither like nor trust many of these "poor" nations.
siliconsleepJanuary 6, 2015 9:04 pm
Low gas prices come at the high price of extreme environmental and public health catastrophes. Water shouldn't be flammable as a result of this operation, yet it is. Runoff is a major issue. Streams and creeks that host an array of diverse species and habitats are irrevocably altered if not destroyed thanks to fracking. Thinking 50 years into the future is more important than thinking about we'll get to work tomorrow in the bigger picture but therein lies the rub; we live in a rat race world and have a culture built on keeping up with the joneses.
PaulJanuary 6, 2015 9:02 pm
Fracking has not directly caused low gas prices. Saudi Arabia pumping more oil has lead to low gas prices. They are trying to push out fracking by lowering prices so I guess fracking did indirectly have something to do with it. However I highly doubt that is what you meant. Mostly because your gibberish about our president makes you look like a fool and so I imagine you as such.
Tenn_TuxedoJanuary 6, 2015 8:33 pm
And no one claims that there isn't ever on going climate change. The whole point of the warnings from the people who are the most knowledgeable about climate sciences is that there is no natural forcing agent which can account for the warming we're living through. That the speed at which the climate is changing is very problematic. Not for the Earth, cause it'll just change, but for the life on it, including us who have built entire systems and societies around a certain climate that will be very different soon. Drought and torrential flooding rains are not anything farmers can base their livelihood on. Corn has diminishing yields the more days over the upper 80s the plants experience. To warm of winters reducing snow fall and glacier run off in the mountains which feed water to west coast farms throughout the summer is causing real issues for California which will reverberate across the country as the choice is made for people or farmers when it comes to diminishing resources. LA got more rain a couple weeks ago in a weekend than they got all of last year. Doesn't resolve their water issues since most of that water ran off to the Pacific. Even if all the science was wrong, if all the worlds scientists were collaborating to fake the data, the climate is still going through change and far to many folk are in denial about that and unwilling to even enter into discussions about planning for a changing environment.
mike80528January 6, 2015 8:26 pm
Horizontal fracking *is* fairly new and that simple difference can make a huge difference in the impact.
Tenn_TuxedoJanuary 6, 2015 8:23 pm
All factors that the scientists study and include in their findings. And with all of that factored in none of what you rattled off can account for being the forcing agent(s) which are causing the on going warming.
montiJanuary 6, 2015 8:21 pm
I am so glad this handful of people can decide the winners and losers in the world I cant believe my generation is so willing to follow these fools our children and grandchildren will pay a terrible cost and loss of freedom amazing how this will be solved with money and greed
Dennis GJanuary 6, 2015 7:47 pm
Actually the CO2 effect diminishes once a threshold has been reached. Nearly exactly the opposite of what the AGW folks believe in. The fact is that the IPCC's totally arbitrary "CO2 warming coefficient" is about 100 times too high. That is why not a single dire prediction made by the IPCC Climate Change Model software has come true!!
Alex FordJanuary 6, 2015 7:38 pm
They've just gotten better at it. It's also a cumulative effect. The problem is only going to get worse.
Alex FordJanuary 6, 2015 7:37 pm
A human being not perceiving an Earthquake is not the same as it not shaking the state. In fact, if you get down to it the quake could be measured even in surrounding states. No, it wasn't life altering or anything, but it definitely did shake the state.
Anon OmeyesJanuary 6, 2015 7:22 pm
Lower gas prices does not necessarily mean a good thing. All the presidents are pretty bad. I don't trust any of them. I understand you lie in favor of hydraulic fracturing, but earthquakes caused solely by such process are not ok.
AdamJanuary 6, 2015 7:18 pm
Ummmmmm no.It was Opec and the over supply of the market.If it was fracking, oil barrel prices would have gone down in the past few years,but oil barrel prices have been hovering around 100 dollars a barrel since 2011-2014.http://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart. The average oil pricing has also been hovering around $3.50 a gallon since 2010-2014.http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx These lower gas prices are certainly not a result of fracking in the least and that goes for the whole market.There is too much supply of everything and not enough demand.It just so happen that oil was the switch that set off the down turn in the whole market.So really you can keep your welcome.
Anon OmeyesJanuary 6, 2015 7:17 pm
Even a small earthquake caused by fracking is bad news. We do not exactly know what we are dealing with here.
kraftzionJanuary 6, 2015 7:09 pm
If fracking did cause all those little earthquakes Ohio should be thanking the oil companies for preventing one big one.
Shane SnoverJanuary 6, 2015 7:08 pm
Actually we export most of the natural gas produced by hydraulic fracturing, contrary to what the propaganda says.
WarrenJanuary 6, 2015 7:06 pm
Since the three hottest decades on record we,re the most recent, each successively warmer than the prior decade, And 2010 and 2005 the hottest years on record, we need to stop the Deniers Fraud Now, and send them to college for a freshman physics course.
RFJanuary 6, 2015 7:01 pm
As an Ohioan, yes we knew this earthquake occurred. Fracking must be stopped before it leads to contamination of our drinking water.
WarrenJanuary 6, 2015 6:48 pm
'Fossil Fuel Hacks'? Exxon, Chevron, and other energy companies, as well as the American Petrolum Institute, support the IPCC conclusions on Climate Change, and are spending $ millions to reduce GHG emissions from their operations. There are many individual Deniers, many posting on this forum, but not among most major US Corporations.
johnJanuary 6, 2015 6:35 pm
@Joel - actually low gas prices are due to OPEC keeping production high while prices drop. Normally they artificially limit the supply to keep the prices to "an acceptably high" price per barrel. In this case you actually have to go thank the Arabs for low gas prices. Or you could just keep displaying high ignorance/low intellect in regards to the global economy...
SchizoDuckieJanuary 6, 2015 6:31 pm
We have level 1-3 earthquakes in The Netherlands regularly due to gas drilling. It's causing millions of damage yearly to people's homes. People tend to notice cracks appearing in the walls
snapjackJanuary 6, 2015 6:29 pm
Fracking has nothing to do with gas prices. It has everything to do with conservatives using it as a rod to hit anyone over the head who doesn't agree with them. Just look at the comments. In another few years when the water table has been contaminated these people will be the first to yell for the government to do something about it.
qqqqqqJanuary 6, 2015 6:22 pm
Calling Obama "extremist" is pretty stupid and cannot be backed up by facts. Oil consumption has been dropping in the US for a decade so that also contributed to lower oil prices. Limiting oil EXPORTS also has kept prices low. You're welcome, Obama.
agsbJanuary 6, 2015 6:12 pm
You know that satellite data shows that the seas are rising at a rate of 3.2 mm/year or about a foot/century. Therefore it is logical to assume that the land is slowly sinking or erosion of seashore is taking place.
Sue ZbellJanuary 6, 2015 6:06 pm
Read somewhere that they discontinued it in Texas because it was too expensive and was destroying the aquifer making the land around the frac'n people frac'n the ground unfit for ranching and/or farming
AngusJanuary 6, 2015 6:05 pm
Actually, fracking is probably good in triggering small earthquakes. By lubricating with water, the fault doesn't build to extreme pressures and then let loose with a 6, 7, or 8 magnitude quake. Try telling that to the brain dead liberals in CA.
netprophetJanuary 6, 2015 5:58 pm
No country has the responsibility to cut greenhouse gases (why don't you just say CO2) because it is a miniscule miniscule trace gas 97% of which is generated naturally from the oceans and biological decay. Proponents of this nonsense have one goal in mind - get rid of fossil fuels, have governments instead of markets determine what types of energy is produced and make it more difficult for everyone to live especially the poor. And if you think governments know what is best just look around the globe and the universal disaster of central bank manipulation of currencies and interest rates. Even if you think cutting CO2 should be done, it has been shown time and time again that it would do nothing to change what is natural climate cycles.
WarrenJanuary 6, 2015 5:42 pm
In the US The problem is not political corruption, but voter apathy. Polls consistently show half of voters rank climate change last among all issues. No congressman will commit career hari-Kari by voting for action when his constituents don't want it.
Enviro Equipment, Inc.January 6, 2015 5:40 pm
I hardly think a 3.0 magnitude earthquake "shook the state". In fact, I would be surprised if the vast overwhelming majority of Ohio citizens even knew such a earthquake occurred.
Steven MostJanuary 6, 2015 5:12 pm
One day there will be ONLY renewables so this should be considered a good start.
ReddlerJanuary 6, 2015 5:11 pm
Surrounding states need disconnects for the grid for when California destabilizes the grid bc green power doesn't meet demand on the grid.
WarrenJanuary 6, 2015 4:51 pm
Thanks to Dr Summers for advocating a price on carbon. Today we have socialism in fossil fuels-- everyone pays for the CO2 pollution caused by individuals burning those fuels. A revenue-neutral carbon tax would include the cost of CO2 pollution in the price so each individual would bear the cost of his or her own carbon decisions, driving the economy from high carbon to low carbon alternatives, and reducing taxes on what we want more of, that is, economic growth: http://citizensclimatelobby.org/carbon-fee-and-dividend/
Joe_dv0729January 6, 2015 4:14 pm
There are many factors to consider to say that the Philippines is vulnerable to the climate change. Not only the population increases, but public transportation also clogging up the roads. Not only cars became affordable to people who commute by way of busses, taxicabs & jeepneys due to increase remittances of millions of OFWS to their loved ones. Because of this increase in income they were able to own not just POVS, but different units of jeepneys, taxicabs and FX'S. For countryside folks, migrating to Manila to join their early settler relatives or children attending colleges and universities is a golden opportunity to get away from poverty where they grown up. Reverse migration is possible to achieve by job creation in the provinces, establishing college and university so students need not contribute to the ballooning population in Metro Manila. Diosdado Macapagal Int'l Airport in Angeles City will contribute greatly to decongest the air and road traffic in Manila. Additional International Airport are also needed so Balikbayans and other tourists need not transit to NAIA terminal in Manila. Make it more affordable and faster to travel by air instead of land or at sea.
Alex RandallJanuary 6, 2015 3:42 pm
This is an argument that we often only make about developing countries. You don't often hear people say this about Paris or Seoul - also both in the top 50 for population density. In the Phillipines migration may also be making people less vulnerable, rather than more. People may well be moving out of high risk areas, or choosing to move before they are forcibly displaced. Remittances from international migrants also provide a valuable safety net during disasters.
JoelJanuary 6, 2015 3:33 pm
Actually fracking caused your low gas prices no thanks to your suffocating extremist President. You're welcome.
I Frac therefore I amJanuary 6, 2015 3:11 pm
It is NOT a new process. They have been frac'n since 1947!
frank quengaJanuary 6, 2015 11:37 am
aaahh come on, it's not the population boom that is destroying the climate change it's the dirty politicians whom wants to get richer and building more buildings that are destroying the climate, roads infrastructure to there new apartment complex, to there new shopping mall, to there new high rise building that are for rent in a high cost of rental, what the heck is that guy saying because of population boom then get rid of those darn middle eastern foreigners and the darn Indians, then you'll see less population...
Brooks AndersonJanuary 6, 2015 9:29 am
I live in Mexico which has a well earned reputation for corruption. What is really sad is that the corruption of the USA's constitutional "one man one vote" principle on items like climate change by bought-out politicians only differs in its degree of sophistication. And. as in Mexico, the politicians know that we the people are too apathetic to do anything about it.
Brooks AndersonJanuary 6, 2015 9:02 am
Congratulations on presenting irrefutable proof of AGW. I'm sure that the"deniers" will say that these photos are" photoshopped" or some other nonsense. What I don't understand is how anybody, except the fossil fuel company hired hacks and bought politicians, can deny what is in front of their eyes.
Todd NelsonJanuary 6, 2015 7:32 am
Phony pictures and retouched maps can't hide the fact that the total increase in global temperatures is 3/10 of 1 degree from 1904 to 2013 and NO increase in over 18 years, as admitted to by the UN IPCC. Stop the "climate change" fraud NOW
SlindseyJanuary 6, 2015 4:14 am
Yep...Fires, Floods and Winds... never happened before Global Warming.
duane hayesJanuary 6, 2015 3:57 am
And yet the actual temperature change due to global warming is 1/2 to 1 degree. This miniscule amount can't possibly have these effects illustrated. There are other factors involved, ocean temperatures, sun spots, volcano's, the earth's orbit, normal climate change that occur's regardless of mankind.
jim_robertJanuary 6, 2015 3:57 am
I am a Canadian who hikes a lot in the Canadian Rockies. Early pictures from the area vs. today show much glacier recession, at least for some glaciers, such as Bow Glacier, which is the source of the Bow River. The hiking book Classic Hikes in the Canadian Rockies shows this glacier around 1900. If you go there today, the same glacier is much, much receded. BUT here is the rub. The same anti-science types, who think science is determined by “consensus” (of which there is none, not even close) rather than **experimentation and hypothesis testing**, unthinkingly look at this and make utterly unwarranted conclusions. The fact of the matter is that there was something called the Little Ice Age (LIA) the nadir of which was the early 1800s. The simple fact is that this was one of the coldest periods since the Ice Age, and we are still emerging from this. THAT, mon ami, is why the Bow Glacier – and its sisters – have receded: we are still emerging from that LIA. This is why, according to the Archeological Survey of Canada, the tree line was 100 km. NORTH of where it is today during the MWP (Medieval Warm Period, which was preceded by the similar Roman Warm Period. Incidentally, that emergence from the Little Ice Age has stopped over the past dozen years – there has been ZERO global warming since 1998, which now even the co-opted IPCC admits, as did Phil Jones at Hadley , the lead global warmer – until ClimateGate forced him to resign (and you’ll notice the leftists and Agenda 21 scamsters hope you’ll forget Climategate… along with Lois LernerGate More evidence. Kegwins’ study in Nature on marine radioistopes shows that we are, today, still BELOW the 3,000 year average. If you google “Dr. Tim Ball+picea glauca” you will find a white spruce stump on the coast Canada’s Arctic Ocean, dated about 5,000 years ago, and NOWHERE near today’s treeline. Of course, no one on the left has the intellectual honesty to address any of this. The reality is that the left, the BIG GREEN MONEY, and the Agenda 21 types want to control energy, which allows them to control everything that touches, which is… well, everything
WarrenJanuary 6, 2015 3:49 am
Leaders are capable --but not of overriding the short term view of their citizens. That may change, but for now we have Mankind deciding its better to suffer more in the long term than to take action now. Economists(eg, Yale's William Nordhaus and Brooking's Adele Morris) say citizens are wrong on the economic returns of action, and doubly wrong when intangibles are included, but humankind can make mistakes, and rectify them later. Lets hope they do change direction. They is us, by the way. So I hope you endorse not just the status quo, but the policy that is best for Mankind even if mankind is not quite ready to embrace it. Change comes from concerned citizens taking a stand. Do you?
Earl DeckerJanuary 6, 2015 3:20 am
Nothing new here folks just normal climate change. Earth has always had floods, droughts, hurricanes, typhoons, earthquakes, tornadoes, volcanic explosions , etc., etc. Just look at a map of the earth and see all the changes in the river systems of the world and dry river beds in the planets deserts .Throughout planets earth's history there have been many geological and climatological changes. Ice ages come and go with warming periods between. Ice sheets and sea ice increase and decrease. Glaciers retreat and advance . Occurs constantly from the sun and earth s natural climate cycle.
CatskinnerJanuary 6, 2015 3:09 am
Can you believe that this idiot "advised" anyone. This just another tax to pay for liberal give away programs. It has nothing to do with the environment, because if this tax was successful--- meaning curtail the use of carbon fuels-- then there would be no revenue --no use --no tax-- no revenue for give away programs. But of course we all know that would not happen because it can't--hence-- tax and spend.
GuyBBJanuary 6, 2015 12:49 am
Sorry, the theory is wrong. There is no way to separate out the entirely natural climate cycles, when they don't have an idea what causes a glacial period to start or end. Further, they keep trying, desperately to link CO2 emissions to temperature, yet, from their theory, temperatures should increase exponentially, along with atmospheric CO2 concentrations. Too bad, for that theory, their own data shows an entirely linear trend in temperature rise. Does that stop them from continuing to predict that temperature rise will begin exponential behavior? Nope! For less than 1 degree in almost 2 centuries isn't scary enough, so they toss out predictions of 2, 4 or even 6 degrees to inflame their base.
WarrenJanuary 5, 2015 11:59 pm
Not correct. 30 years are needed to establish a discernible climate trend due to long cycle weather patterns , or temporary increases in heat uptake by the oceans. Even so, each of the last three decades have been successively warmer than each prior decade, and 2005 and 2010 were the hottest years ever recorded; 2014 may exceed those temperatures. And arctic sea ice, glacial ice, and the Greenlabpnd ice pack have been in a steep multi decade decline. No science institution disputes AGW...they all conclude AGW.
WarrenJanuary 5, 2015 11:54 pm
Oh I'm not suggesting they don't either understand, or have advisors that understand, that the costs of adaption will be much greater than those for mitigation, or that the costs of both increase with delay, or that these conclusions are endorsed by most economists engaged in the topic...Yales William Nordhaus and Brooking's Adele Morris come to mind.... And Barack Obama certainly understands this, as does his EPA. Rather it's the CITIZENS who don't. That's why this issue is a test of the human race...can we (voters and citizens) care enough and understand enough. Our leaders will follow, one way or the other way. So far, they've got it wrong, but we can hope they'll figure it out.
GuyBBJanuary 5, 2015 11:05 pm
Better force this through soon, even a legion of paid experts won't be able to hide the obvious truth much longer. There is no reason to believe that temperature rise will go exponential and rise at ever increasing rates, as they have continuously predicted, especially, since their own data shows anything but that happening.
climatehawk1January 5, 2015 10:43 pm
"Warmest since 1891" implies that 1891 was warmer. I'd suggest "warmest on record" instead.
Steve M.January 5, 2015 10:18 pm
It's time that Larry Sommers figured out that his entire salary, benefits, and retirement is based on someone in our civilization oxidizing fossil fuel. I am so sick of these non-productive gov't and academic-type individuals going around saying that others should reduce their carbon emissions while denying that their own quality of life is wholly dependent on carbon emission. Larry, you are the true "DENIER" - you aren't personally shoveling the fossil fuel into the boiler, but you sure are getting the benefits.
NicholBJanuary 5, 2015 4:37 pm
The US, China, India and Russia got together to threaten the EU with an all out trade war if they didn't back down on the utterly reasonable idea of making airlines to pay for their pollution. Has the world changed in the mean time? Any promises by ICAO seem nothing more than delaying strategies. It could make a big difference if EPA would support something comparable to what the EU wanted to implement.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 5, 2015 9:42 am
"Most Chinese are still in poverty." That's not correct: China's population is about 1.3 billion of whom about 99 million live below the national poverty line. That's a lot of people but nonetheless it's less than 8% of the total population. Hardly "most'. Data sources: http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/china/overview and http://borgenproject.org/10-facts-about-poverty-in-china/
newselJanuary 5, 2015 1:56 am
We shall see this year: "According to analysis of the most reliable solar activity trends and climate models based on the Relational Cycle Theory (RC Theory), the SSRC concludes the following:" http://spaceandscience.net/id16.html
newselJanuary 5, 2015 1:52 am
Kurt, just where do you get your info from? Pls cite one reference that we can refer to other wise your post is just pure BS.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 4, 2015 11:35 pm
See my reply to Drb. I believe the leaders of, for example, China and India have no doubt that their approach to this matter is in the best interest of their countries and people - in both the short and long terms. Suggesting that they are incapable of thinking things through may not be the wisest response.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 4, 2015 11:15 pm
No, Drb, what I’m saying is that the developing world – responsible for about 65% and comprising 82% of the world’s population, including virtually all the world’s poorest people – has a very different view of what constitutes realism than the West. In its view, the elimination of poverty has a higher priority than emission reduction. China has shown the way by lifting about 680 million people out of poverty in recent years by making available affordable, reliable electric power derived from inexpensive fossil fuels, mainly coal. The lives of these previously desperate people have been transformed by their getting access for the first time to clean water, proper sanitation, fresh food, adequate health care, better education, etc. – things we in the comfortable West take for granted. Today, over one billion people lack access to electricity, so it’s hardly surprising that other developing countries want to follow China’s example. According to recent research, “increases in carbon emissions and economic development [are] widely recognized as a pathway to improving human well-being.” (http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n3/full/nclimate2110.html). In any case, there’s strong evidence that the developing world may not share the West’s view on the science. For example, Ding Zhongli, Vice President of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (described as ‘the final word on climate science for the Chinese Communist Party’), has observed that a significant relationship between temperature and CO2 “lacks reliable evidence in science”. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/14/china-imprints-all-over-copenhagen-talks-fiasco/?page=all) (And BTW, Drb, I don’t think Mr Ding – a distinguished scientist – would take too kindly to being described as ‘stupid’, as a ‘lemming’ or ‘denialist’ or as 'playing games' or 'denying reality').
Arcanum Arcanorum (虚空)January 4, 2015 10:15 pm
It sickens me that big business and big government have, hand in hand, decided to condemn us and all future humans to a world of climactic hell and resource famine just because they want to make a quick buck. Civilization will be destroyed, and humanity wiped clean off the face of this planet, solely because of the interest of a few, greedy tyrants and moneybags. THAT is the implication of climate change.
Truthofco2January 4, 2015 3:53 pm
What is interesting is that the measurements have most co2 in the Southern Hemisphere winkle the models show northern. Maybe it just me but natural processes or non industrial processes seem to be far more impactful based on the real data.
Kurt KuzbaJanuary 4, 2015 11:16 am
Unfortunately, unless we can replenish the fresh water reserves, the world will continue to warm. Fresh water reserves, glaciers, lakes, streams, all standing, running water or underground aquifers, have been diminishing for thousands of years since the Ice Age ended and the glaciers began retreating. Nobody denies, or can deny, that the land is drying, and warming for lack of the heat sink and evaporative cooling effects of fresh water, and has been for thousands of years. There are already huge deserts where there were once lakes and grasslands. The problem, however, is that there is nothing to be done about it except to allow the seas to heat up to an extent that their ambient temperature is sufficient to create enough vapor to force water vapor far enough inland to once again create an ice age, which will cool the world for thousands of years as the fresh water reserves thus created slowly return to the sea. The world as we know it will disappear entirely before it ever becomes what we consider to be the natural state of the Earth. Ocean sediment core samples indicate a cycle of roughly 20,000 years, and we should be seeing warming sufficient to begin greening the deserts in the next two thousand years.
Drb-January 4, 2015 3:35 am
All about rearranging economic deckchairs on the Titantic first, then well worry about the sinking planet is what your basically saying... Kinda stupid way of thinking in the developing world, but that's what they wanna push through, and denialism at its best it seems.... Or Honey, let me put the kids to bed first then we'll worry about the kitchen being on fire.....
Drb-January 4, 2015 3:29 am
Again, climate change Is NOT a 'belief system' if big institutes like banks, militaries, and energy companies are putting its pending consequences on their balance sheet.... Its a 'fact' system. Ure choosing to ignore at Ure own peril. And yes, evidence suggests Sandy and Katrina were caused by climate change, just like evidence suggests smoking causes cancer and HIV causes AIDS, for the denialists there is no EXACT, PERFECT , link to EITHER, either and they know it. They just playing games, or trying their utmost to deny reality and mend their polluting ways. The earths sky is not a giant sewer system for planes, trains, boats, and SUVS... Something's gotta give eventually.... In this case the enviroment is showing the strains....
Todd NelsonJanuary 3, 2015 7:22 pm
With the UN IPCC admitting there has been NO rise in global temperatures in over 18 years, the entire premise for both this story and this entire website is fraudulent. Monetarily benefitting from a hoax is fraud, and this fraud is so large and so heinous that it makes Bernie Madoff look honest, and this website is promoting that hoax.
Todd NelsonJanuary 3, 2015 7:04 pm
With the UN IPCC admitting there has been no rise in global temperatures
WarrenJanuary 3, 2015 5:22 pm
You're explaining why things are the way they are, but not dealing with Attenborough's point -- which is that world leaders are taking a short term view at the expense of the long term with serious implications for generations to come. If leaders and citizens can't overcome this short term mentality, our grandchildren and theirs will have a much more difficult life, and the costs of dealing with those future problems will have grown immensely. And because the committed level of climate change (fly wheel effect) is so large, future leaders and citizens won't see the effects of their emergency actions in their own lifetimes, and so will pay a much larger price to mitigate and also much greater costs of adaption-- a lose-lose proposition, vs taking action now. I think our attitude has to be Attenborough's -- encourage leaders and citizens to deal with the issue NOW, because we are sentient beings, capable of thinking through not only our own lives, but also those of future generations.
Drb-January 3, 2015 12:48 pm
So what your saying contexted against Attenborough's realism is that developing lemmings, I mean, countries, have to rush to their rearrangement of their deck chairs I mean economies on the Titantic I mean mother earth first, before they worry about the sinking Earth, I mean Titantic....
Kurt KuzbaJanuary 3, 2015 12:09 pm
And if there is eventually some change in global temperature at some point in the future, the increase in CO2 will be considered the cause of that warming. While the greenhouse effect is immediate, there is a complex system of levers and pulleys that proves the link between CO2 and global temperature.
Dale OndeckJanuary 3, 2015 8:45 am
Silly - with the lower oil prices, carbon emissions will rise a LOT as industry and consumers take advantage of the cheaper energy. I bet it goes up a full 5% in 2015 if oil prices stay under $60/barrel.
ZippitJanuary 3, 2015 8:40 am
Funny how they went back to 1948. All the way back to 1948!!!! Omg! Such a loooooong time ago! (sarc) In fact my older sister was born, well, actually before that. Mom and Dad were born a long time before that. Just wondering if the clueless youngsters who post these laughable stories have ever heard of geological time? (not to indict the authors as we already know they are partisans gunning for more grants to study this potential menace, emphasis on potential, like potentially you may win the lottery). Folks, the fact is our temps are unchanged from 100 years ago. (and 100 years ago is still a blink of the eye in geological time.). Yes, some decades were warmer and cooler. As the late great John Daly used to say, "I'm still waiting for the greenhouse".
jojoJanuary 3, 2015 6:56 am
What warming? None for 18 years!
William GloegeJanuary 3, 2015 6:50 am
Also left out of the equation is the long term cost of global warming which no one seems to want to include. The price advantage mostly pertains to fossil fuel which is cheaper now. Longer term as supplies dwindle, prices go up. But the point is we can't afford to not reduce CO2 emissions, despite prices. We've got to drive that point home. Bill Gloege
Rick MalteseJanuary 3, 2015 6:41 am
Just imagine how high the figure could be if nuclear was accepted a being renewable. I've seen the case made that gives it a better green rating any existing renewable except maybe hydro. But how green is any energy that kills people. We can't be two faced and accuse nuclear that has an excellent safety record
Harry tJanuary 3, 2015 5:00 am
Been happening for 4.5 billion years, its good we are human and we will learn to adapt. The last 12,000 years the ocean rose 120 meters, over 360 feet, and caveman, thank God the had a brain when the oceans rose and great Britain, and France and Greenland and North America were all attached, and those Oceans rose, CAVE MEN without Sicentists new what they HAD TO DO! The walked inland!
Drb-January 3, 2015 4:46 am
Again, climate change Is NOT a 'belief system' if big institutes like banks, militaries, and energy companies are putting its pending consequences on their balance sheet.... Its a 'fact' system. Ure choosing to ignore at Ure own peril. And yes, evidence suggests Sandy and Katrina were caused by climate change, just like evidence suggests smoking causes cancer and HIV causes AIDS, for the denialists there is no EXACT, PERFECT , link to EITHER, either and they know it. They just playing games, or trying their utmost to deny reality and mend their polluting ways. The earths sky is not a giant sewer system for planes, trains, boats, and SUVS... Something's gotta give eventually.... In this case the enviroment is showing the strains....
br333January 3, 2015 4:35 am
I just watched a video on predictions made by climate scientist that were suppose to be happening by the year 2015. None of them are even close to being accurate. Even the scientist ( those willing to be interviewed ) who made the predictions admit that they guessed wrong. How can anyone that believes in climate change believe that plant life (trees and such) would not flourish in a warmer higher CO2 environment. At some point the people writing about global warming have got to come to the realization that they are just making this crap up and almost no one believes it anymore.
ArchangelJanuary 3, 2015 3:16 am
As reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post -November 2, 1922, over 91 years ago! The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department from Consulate, at Bergen, Norway.

 Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

 Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable. According to the latest research, and here there is a general consensus among 97% of the worlds respected boot makers, boots will no longer be sufficient! The average intelligent individual will now be required to grow wings in order to stay above all of the Liberal Lunatics Global Warming B.S.
Paul CharlesJanuary 3, 2015 2:34 am
Different tree species and fish moving north? Maybe it is overharvesting certain trees and fish.
newselJanuary 3, 2015 12:35 am
This article is so much BS on so many levels....if there were CO2 levels <180ppm we would all be dead. Every single one of us. 1. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/07/warmest-year-brings-record-harvests-for-uk/ 2. "Causes and timing of future biosphere extinction" hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/29/78/23/PDF/... 3. Greening of the Planet. http://www.globalwarming.org/2013/10/10/satellite-observations-validate-model-predictions-co2-emissions-are-greening-the-earth/
FredJanuary 2, 2015 11:11 pm
Sure the planet is warming up!! Just look at California and the southwest states! I see where Arizona is just as cold as MN is! So again, your global warming stories are not carrying any weight! Yes, they will come back and say this is the results of global warming, but how come it didn't seem to effect us to much during the 40's and 50's when we had a world war, and we were testing nuclear bombs? I guess that must have slipped their minds! Yet, there are a majority of people in the science felid that tell us the planet has warmed in 17years! So who is telling the truth!!! Sure as hell can't be the government, because they never tell the truth and any group funded by them won't either!!!
StanleyJanuary 2, 2015 11:10 pm
Only problem with this article is that NOAA/NASA data shows the world hasn't warmed in about 17 years or more. So the damage must be from local warming or changes in currents etc.
leonard boltonJanuary 2, 2015 9:57 pm
Yes there is Valerie -- we can stop flying. You first dear.
Jim WrightJanuary 2, 2015 9:02 pm
Are you going to write a report on the changes during the last 10000 years to put this article in perspective to reality
HenryCJanuary 2, 2015 8:26 pm
Change happens, adapt or die. The natural world lives by this, and as much as human like to think they are outside of nature, they are not. What we do is absolutely natural, there is no magic. It is getting warmer, and both humans and the biosphere will adapt.
David GosselinJanuary 2, 2015 8:09 pm
IF global warming were real, then there would be less skepticism. However, the past 20 years have proven that the climate is not warming as it was earlier predicted. Arctic and Antarctic ice sheets have grown, sea levels have failed to rise, there have been far fewer dangerous storms, all in contradiction to the predictions from 20 years ago. Yet the global warming community continues to push this failed ideology. Why? Y'all need to find another hobby.
Alan NiswongerJanuary 2, 2015 8:03 pm
Who are you people ?? I was charter fishing in Sitka, Alaska over the 4th of July 2014, and met commercial fisherman that had been North fishing. They personally told me that they could not go anywhere near as far North to fish because ice was further South than they had recalled in many years !! This was from the fisherman themselves, not 2nd hand or made up theories from some models. Real time info from real fisherman (and women). Also, flying out of Sitka, there were glaciers on almost every mountain !! I didn't see melting glaciers like Al Gore promised. Mis information to the American people seems to be rampant from all media sources. The sources I seem to see credited in most articles about warming seem to be coming from colleges on the East coast of America. Have any of these people been up North to actually see all the wildlife that supposedly in danger ?? I have, and I am having a very hard time understanding that we in such desperate straits with warming. Seals, sea lions, and whales appear to be abundant everywhere I traveled. Then again, I could be wrong.
Jim JonesJanuary 2, 2015 8:01 pm
I don't think there's a debate about whether the planet is warming or not. The debate comes into play as to what's causing the planet to warm. Is it mankind damage or is it natural occurrences causing the warming?
Roger ReidJanuary 2, 2015 7:49 pm
Nothing here seems to fit the "dramatic" headline!
DantesJanuary 2, 2015 7:42 pm
These are not evidence of human caused climate change. They are natural variations in weather patterns.
MisterMax2000January 2, 2015 7:42 pm
ON a more serious note, what are the benefits of a warming Earth that were not mentioned? One, the tree line will go to higher elevations on mountains turning formerly wasteland into attractive forested land. The same for the vast wasteland that is tundra. It will thaw and become fertile for both trees and crops. And what about the Arctic Ocean? It will become the next giant fish hatchery / spawning ground for all manner of eatable sea life. I'm seeing this as a big plus for mankind since those horrible killer hurricanes seem to be getting fewer in number. We just had another one of the weakest hurricane seasons on record. Last year's hurricane season was the weakest in 75 years. I'm thinking a little global warming is having some really great unintended benefits. Now get out and burn some carbon. Let's get this thing going.
victor croccoJanuary 2, 2015 7:37 pm
So what! the animals and plants are dying. It is not about the ecology of the planet but about Al Gore taking my precious money. It is all about ME and not the grandchildren who will inherit this doomed planet
PsalmonJanuary 2, 2015 7:34 pm
So glad we have people studying nesting behavior of birds rather than inventing new clean power sources that would create a real solution.
JAMON1January 2, 2015 7:07 pm
You mean people and animals are adapting?! Huh, who would have thunk!
JonJanuary 2, 2015 7:04 pm
There is not much out there that can make a plane fly outside of jet fuel.
JeffJanuary 2, 2015 7:03 pm
Except there has been no warming. I know facts are an inconvenient truth for you religious zelots but that's the facts.
baptist_deaconJanuary 2, 2015 7:02 pm
Sigh. Grouping disparate problems together and calling it "Climate Change" is stupid. Each of these issues should be delt with separately. The reality here is the author thinks you are too stupid to realize that there is no evidence that these things are tied together in any way, nor is there any evidence that man caused all of these problems. Some may be man made, like over fishing an area for example, but there is nothing man did that causes all these events to happen.
9.8m/ssJanuary 2, 2015 6:58 pm
Most Chinese are still in poverty. Over the last 30 years, they've moved from rural poverty to urban sweatshop labor, but they're still dirt poor.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 2, 2015 6:56 pm
Here's an extract from an address by Li Jiaxiang (Deputy Secretary of China's Ministry of Transport and Director, Civil Aviation) at a global summit of the International Air Transport Association held in Beijing: "China plans to build 70 new airports in the next few years and to expand 100 existing airports." He added that the number of airports would reach more than 230 by the end of 2015, when the total fleet operated by Chinese airlines would reach 4,700 planes. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/9324765/China-to-build-70-new-airports-in-three-years.html) In the (seemingly unlikely) event that "the EPS acts", why - with that growth, ambition and momentum - would China believe it was under any obligation to follow, as Vera Pardee seems to think?
ReduceGHGsJanuary 2, 2015 6:36 pm
Too many members of our U.S. Congress deny that we are warming the planet or they say that it isn't a problem. This rejects over 40 years of global scientific study. The people's health, safety, and prosperity shouldn't take a back seat to fossil fuel industry interests or some political agenda. Join the efforts to change course. See if YOUR rep in Congress is among those unwilling to deal with this very real crisis. For the current state of the science... Google: NASA Climate Change Consensus To learn more and some suggestions about what else you can do try my website. ExhaustingHabitability(dot)org
Robin_GuenierJanuary 2, 2015 6:30 pm
It would be wise to face the harsh reality that there is no prospect of the "deep and immediate emissions reductions" necessary for total decarbonisation by 2050. There are many reasons for this: not least that the concept of the vast worldwide regulatory and social engineering project that would be necessary to make a global deal possible is and has always been hopelessly fanciful. But, in any case, the developing economies, responsible for about 65% of GHG emissions, have made it clear that they intend to prioritise economic development and the alleviation of poverty – a position they’re entitled to take under the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change. Hence China’s recent statement (in a joint announcement with the US) that it intended to continue to increase its emissions for another sixteen years and hence this statement by India’s environment minister: “Twenty percent of our population doesn’t have access to electricity, and that’s our top priority. We will grow faster, and our emissions will rise.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/world/asia/25climate.html?_r=0)
smplsymnJanuary 2, 2015 6:29 pm
@jfreed27 - you know what - thinking and intellectually astute people usually don't rely on bullying and name calling in trying to make a convincing point.
Clem CirelliJanuary 2, 2015 6:13 pm
Some organisms will adjust or adapt, others will struggle, and still others will not be able to manage. As it ever has been, is now and ever shall be in the living world, whatever the causes.
Ted StanwoodJanuary 2, 2015 6:01 pm
30" Fir trees now bless the slopes where as a boy I rode a sled in the rare snowstorm. Berry bushes line the nearby slough where back then there was just grass. Everywhere I look I see change. Nothing to do with any "climate change" at all, just nature expanding, way it is.
M. WrightJanuary 2, 2015 5:54 pm
There has been a major change in the use of heavy machinery by loggers, compared to 65 years ago. But here is a clue. The change has nothing to do with climate. It's because heavy logging machinery didn't exist 65 years ago. They used horses.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 2, 2015 2:29 pm
Assuming that being “serious about fighting climate change” means agreeing to make substantial and urgent cuts in greenhouse gas emissions, it’s most unlikely that world leaders will, as you put it, prove they are serious at the UN climate summit in Paris in December. But that’s not because they’re “in denial” or don’t care. It’s because the developing economies, responsible for about 65% of GHG emissions, care more about economic development and the alleviation of poverty – a position they’re entitled to take under the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change. Hence China’s recent statement (in a joint announcement with the US) that it intended to continue to increase its emissions for another sixteen years and hence this statement by India’s environment minister: “Twenty percent of our population doesn’t have access to electricity, and that’s our top priority. We will grow faster, and our emissions will rise.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/world/asia/25climate.html?_r=0)
Mike RossJanuary 2, 2015 7:11 am
Keystone XL... I don't get it. If it was good business and made economic sense, private industry would build it under their own steam and neither Senate nor President would have a say in the matter at all.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 1, 2015 2:29 pm
China has provided a clear object lesson in how "to protect the most vulnerable": over the last 30 years it has lifted about 680 million people out of poverty. But it did so by following the example set by the developed world in providing access to affordable, reliable electric power derived from inexpensive fossil fuels - mainly coal. Small wonder that proposals that developing economies should be subject to"quantified legally binding emission reduction obligations, were sternly rebuffed by China". Nor is it surprising that other developing economies are determined to improve the condition of their very poor by following China's example - especially when, according to recent research, "increases in carbon emissions and economic development [are] widely recognized as a pathway to improving human well-being." (http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n3/full/nclimate2110.html)
Michael MannJanuary 1, 2015 2:00 pm
There are over 70 new reactors currently under construction, 5 of those are in the US, we really need to ramp up construction in 2015
Robin_GuenierJanuary 1, 2015 1:56 pm
"Renewables now supply 22% of global electricity." That's true. But most of that (17%) comes from hydroelectric power where opportunities for investment are limited and which, in any case, has huge environmental disadvantages. Contrary to the impression given by this article, wind and solar power contribute hardly anything: 2% and less than 1% respectively. (Another 2% comes from biomass - again with huge disadvantages.) Incidentally in 1980 renewables (i.e. hydroelectric power) supplied 25% of global electricity - so the renewable share is in fact decreasing rather than soaring. Data source: http://www.tsp-data-portal.org/Breakdown-of-Electricity-Generation-by-Energy-Source#tspQvChart
EmoryDecember 31, 2014 6:13 pm
A gasoline tax in the US would be used for roads and bridges, eliminating any overall drag on the working man's economy. It doesn't have a chance politically. If there is no reversal of conservation gains (e.g. if people don't go out and buy guzzlers), the low prices for oil could be a godsend. A couple years of low oil prices could put the tar sands out of business, and when OPEC has less competition they can crank up the price again. By that time the production surge and trend toward cheaper renewables will be on more solid ground. Here comes the sun.
liz codoniDecember 31, 2014 6:53 am
". . . we need to be doing more about this" - understatement of the year . Possibly understatement of the century?
josephDecember 31, 2014 4:37 am
Isn't there a deadline for that ? I dont think india said no to that but yeah i think they will be a couple months late.
Ger AnonoDecember 30, 2014 8:39 pm
"European Greens are resisting moves to ease trade in fossil fuels across the Atlantic – not least the carbon-intensive tar sands. They fear the comprehensive economic and trade agreement (CETA) agreed with Canada and the transatlantic trade and investment partnership (TTIP) under negotiation with the US will water down environmental protection." It is not only European Greens that are resisting these moves; the Socialist GUE/NGL group has been just as vocal, and there are several opponents in the S&D group. Please do not pigeonhole such a crucially important issue as 'green'. Don't forget that in order to get CETA and TTIP rejected in the European Parliament, it won't be enough to have the Greens on our side. (The party holds only 50 of the total 751 seats). Your reporting should be more accurate and reflect this reality.
GuyBBDecember 30, 2014 6:48 pm
Why would they do anything? China will never follow the deal. Even if they did, they can simply overbuild capacity for the next 30 years, doubling, and redoubling their emissions. We should be far more worried about their Sulfur Dioxide and particulate emissions, as this whole climate change fraud will be exposed long before 2030.
NickDecember 30, 2014 6:38 pm
"...potential Republican opponents such as Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio are on record doubting climate science.." Interesting. Denialists seem to maintain that climate change is some sort of fantasy that some politicians are using to try to tax the daylights out of everyone. Actually, it's human-induced climate change denialism that's the real political theme of those who want to tap into the votes of the less-informed.
ChrisDecember 30, 2014 6:36 pm
The EU. What a joke. As is the UN.
mlpnko123December 30, 2014 6:33 pm
It is not certain how the US will deliver the 2025 targets – one year after Paris, Obama will be out of office,” An empty promise for political purposes, from the master of empty promises for political purposes.
Jim ShanksDecember 30, 2014 6:27 pm
China agreed to stop the increase of carbon at some point in the future in exchange for the EU and America agreeing to decrease carbon. It was a business move designed to drive all EU and American heavy industry to China where the desire for success still outweighs the desire for the government to control all industry through ill conceived regulations to cure a false problem.
VestiasDecember 30, 2014 12:23 pm
Happy sustainability 2015
Ray Del ColleDecember 30, 2014 12:18 pm
Switching to renewable, sustainable energy will stimulate the economy, create jobs, save money and clean up the environment. "It's not too late to limit the amount of warming we’ll see in the future." http://clmtr.lt/c/RIT0fS0cMJ
Jeff GuyDecember 30, 2014 3:45 am
A very bleak outlook. We seem oblivious to the peril of our planet. The oceans will not function as we have grown to depend, without the dynamics in place these last millenia.
petepasswordDecember 29, 2014 10:44 pm
And yet Florida is resistant to solar. Who is backward?
PeteDecember 29, 2014 3:47 pm
The fall in oil prices is only temporary, until producers align production with demand. We still do not have energy sources that can compete with the energy density in oil. Also, nobody seems to address the intermittent nature of wind and solar. If have read two articles in technical journals (retired electrical engineer) that made the case that renewables will not be important energy supplies until a cost effective, environmentally friendly energy storage medium is developed.
Effie TrinketDecember 29, 2014 5:54 am
More than 600,000 bats were killed by wind turbines in 2012 - a serious blow to creatures which pollinate crops and help control mosquitoes.
WarrenDecember 26, 2014 7:23 pm
So you get your Science from politicians instead of Scientists. Is that what you learned in Science class?
Richard TreadgoldDecember 26, 2014 12:55 am
I'm late to this news but it's the best news in years. My congratulations to the participants. I shall encourage each one to continue the conversations, which could be the real change in climate change. New Zealand, as much as the UK and US, need to learn what they say, for nothing less can enlighten our damaged and damaging national policy on climate change.
Sgt. O'NeilDecember 25, 2014 4:56 am
Arctic ice was up 67% in 2013, from 2012 and the West Antarctic Ice Streams that feed the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica have also thickened recently.
POLLYDecember 24, 2014 5:27 pm
If Cuomo bans the fracking for shale oil and gas then his state shouldn't be the recipient of any of the benefits of the service industry. It is absolutely incredible how ignorant some people are of what the oil industry provides for our nation. Again, how long are you idiots going to allow us to be dependent on the Middle East? I am incredibly at a loss of words. Someone needs to do some studying on this. By the way, fracking is NOT drilling for oil/gas. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the drilling process. Get your facts straight!
Prem Kumar KhullerDecember 24, 2014 1:10 pm
I am quite happy and impressed by the results generated by this satellite. Now we have a tool to measure the presence of CO2 on a real time basis and can review the effectiveness of our steps taken to reduce production of this greenhouse gas. I am happy to note that air above South India is fairly clear and with steps now being initiated by the new Government the air over the North India will also clear.
Shelly LeitDecember 23, 2014 7:32 pm
These comments are unbelievably ignorant. Go read about climate science before you start tapping out comments on websites.
Shelly LeitDecember 23, 2014 7:31 pm
This is nothing like religion. This is science.
Shelly LeitDecember 23, 2014 7:30 pm
Is there a recording of this LSE speech anywhere?
fishin_in_the_muckDecember 23, 2014 3:29 pm
Don't imagine the climate change scientists biked to Peru.
patrick kaptyDecember 22, 2014 5:28 pm
the one - production based accounting - is relatively simple to track, while the other - consumption based accounting - is outrageously complex and would require the installation of BIG BROTHER to keep track of every item used by every person on this planet! If it ain't broken, why fix it? so that developing countries get an easier ride? that seems to be the thrust of this article...
StanleyDecember 19, 2014 10:08 pm
Only 15.5 ppm difference. Not much difference. Be interesting to see the poles.
Steven CohenDecember 19, 2014 5:54 pm
Nice that NASA is providing satellites that will help climate scientists improve their understanding of climate so better predictions can be made.
JJDecember 19, 2014 4:30 pm
"“Extremely warm summers that would occur twice in a century in the early 2000s are now expected to happen twice a decade,” Dr Christidis says" I wonder how many centuries there were in the early 2000s... lol
Climate HomeDecember 19, 2014 11:56 am
Hi - check the comments policy (above) and this may explain why your comments are not making it past the moderators. ed
Kurt KuzbaDecember 19, 2014 10:13 am
This is that rare form of warming that results in lower atmospheric pressure and lower rates of volatile conversion to gaseous state. Rather than forcing more water into the air as vapor to be deposited inland as rain and snow, it forces water away from the inland areas to be deposited at the lowest common level, sea level. People who don't understand that Climate Science is different from normal physics, except in the matter of how radiant energy is affected by atmosphere, might be confused by that and believe that the warming is incidental and localized and a response to drying of the land caused by cooling of the seas that has been ongoing for thousands of years, with water being the major driver of the global climate.
Moussa Na AbouDecember 19, 2014 8:33 am
Thanks Salem. Like you said, under the Lima Call 4 Action, regime countries need not bother to come to the COP but could simply e-mail in their voluntary pledges. This clearly summarizes the Lima outcome. But I think it summarizes the Paris outcome as well.
Smarter than LeftDecember 19, 2014 2:10 am
Lies and more lies. Just say you want control of all the resources and wish to enslave the population. The liberal progressive elite. Never believe any statistic they throw our they will change the variables to meet their conclusions. They will take temperature readings from different sites and try to tell you that each position is equal in the equation. If you believe that woe is you!
Jim KelleyDecember 19, 2014 1:57 am
Naidoo says, "This is not who we are...." In fact, this is EXACTLY who Greenpeace is. They belong right up there with the Taliban who blew up the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan in 2001. They have a long history of scuttling whaling ships in Reykjavik in 1986, clubbing harp seal pups in Newfoundland when they could not get the Newfoundlanders to do it and many more stunts over many years. It's all about publicity with Greenpeace. They don't give a damn about the planet or its natural and cultural heritage. If they don't turn over the names of the perpetrators to the Peruvians, they show that they think the rules don't apply to them. This is terrorism.
Emile HamptonDecember 19, 2014 12:46 am
Artic sea ice is increasing because of fresh water run off from the snow melt. The sea ice is not getting thicker as some assume because it is getting colder. Sea ice is formed on the surface, as the fresh water freezes and does not sink. Its the sinking of Very cold Briney sea water that forms the Atlantic Over Flow Current, which is a current that flows from the north pole to the equator and back, bringing heat, and warming Europe. With out the AOFC Europe would freeze. This current the last time they measured its rate was slowing down, because of all the fresh water snow melts. Scientist have predicted that this maybe a cause of the last ice age?
mbee1December 19, 2014 12:33 am
right, just last night I saw in the TV a city in northern china that was -31C which is pretty darn cold. You do know all the places you mention are where our weather comes from the west, not the arctic. the eastern US experiences the polar air, the west is all the pacific and it has been cold and rainy.
mbee1December 19, 2014 12:21 am
According to the inter insurance people, the insurance companies of the insurance companies , weather related events are down from average two years running. The numbers in this study are just horse manure , estimates that do not reflect the actual events. It has not even been warming for at least 16 years per the IPCC, they call it a slowing. What these people have done is look around find a bump in the statistics and than pretend that is the whole of existence. That is junk science.
Kurt KuzbaDecember 18, 2014 11:58 pm
Is this going to be like the one about how the annual tropic water vapor plume is so huge that it cannot get beyond the sea and creates a tropical depression or storm because the world is too warm and not because that is all the farther that the water vapor can manage to be transported by the force of thermal and vapor expansion available in tropical waters against the cold and thin atmosphere that is drying out the land and has been for thousands of years, which creates localized warming due to loss of heat sink and evaporative cooling inland? Because that was pretty funny.
Dennis GDecember 18, 2014 11:19 pm
However scientists say the thickness of sea ice showed a “modest increase” while the total mass of the Greenland ice sheet was “essentially unchanged”. And despite some projections that Arctic sea ice would disappear altogether, it seems to have recovered slightly since the extreme loss years of 2007 and 2012. So in conclusion, no warming!
LarryDecember 18, 2014 11:08 pm
Then, why is the sea ice getting thicker and deeper?
Born_n_TejasDecember 18, 2014 11:02 pm
So Arctic will soon be barren of life. Drill baby Drill
Nancy WilsonDecember 18, 2014 10:27 pm
Although last winter did set awareness back, I personally believe the arguments will soon be over, because man is heating the planet daily and changing the natural environment at every moment all over the globe now.
Get to Work PeopleDecember 18, 2014 9:46 pm
I have posted a couple of basic comments and they just get deleted. I guess the 1st Amendment doesn't matter here.
SayWhatDecember 18, 2014 9:16 pm
Even the IPCC says there is no increase in extremes. AR5, chapter 2: "Page 219: "Overall, the most robust global changes in climate extremes are seen in measures of daily temperature, including to some extent, heat waves. Precipitation extremes also appear to be increasing, but there is large spatial variability" "There is limited evidence of changes in extremes associated with other climate variables since the mid-20th century" Page 216: "Section 14.6.1 discusses changes in tropical storms in detail. Current data sets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century and it remains uncertain whether any reported long-term increases in tropical cyclone frequency are robust" "No robust trends in annual numbers of tropical storms, hurricanes and major hurricanes counts have been identified over the past 100 years in the North Atlantic basin." "In summary, there is low confidence in observed trends in small-scale severe weather phenomena such as hail and thunderstorms because of historical data inhomogeneities and inadequacies in monitoring systems." Page 214: "In summary, there continues to be a lack of evidence and thus low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale." Page 162: "Confidence is low for a global-scale observed trend in drought or dryness (lack of rainfall) since the middle of the 20th century, owing to lack of direct observations, methodological uncertainties and geographical inconsistencies in the trends" Page 220: "In summary, confidence in large scale changes in the intensity of extreme extratropical cyclones since 1900 is low. There is also low confidence for a clear trend in storminess proxies over the last century"
Ntabaazi LucyDecember 18, 2014 2:29 pm
Massive fruit tree planting is one of the solution to climate change ..
dan wipperDecember 18, 2014 1:49 pm
Yes, they are very bias and only let stuff they like on here. This is also what leads to liberal ignorance.
CartoonmickDecember 18, 2014 9:28 am
Our government here in Australia has not really been effective when it comes to taking positive action with regard to climate change. On the contrary, they give many signals which tend to indicate they will only be paying lip service to it, whilst making the big biz polluters even more comfortable. Australia is experiencing many extremes in weather conditions recently, with drought and subsequent water shortages just part of the big picture. As well as finding new sources of water, we must also learn to be moderate in our usage and save wherever we can. This cartoons shows one way we could approach it . . . . https://cartoonmick.wordpress.... Cheers Mick
MacDaddy12345December 18, 2014 3:08 am
Funniest read in awhile...LOL
John MurrayDecember 17, 2014 9:25 pm
So, this will be the hottest year since either 1990 or 1500. One is an arbitrary date that means nothing and the other is smack dab right in the middle of the little ice age. Gee, should I be worried that March will probably be the hottest month since either January 20th or since December?
Monhein33December 17, 2014 8:13 pm
A strange article. Why pick on beavers when domestic animals worldwide, mainly cows, are responsible for far huger methane emissions and are therefore contributing to global warming? Give me a beaver any day.
ftf123December 17, 2014 8:08 pm
The warmest since The Little Ice Age.
RHO1953December 17, 2014 8:06 pm
It's pretty clear where they are headed with all this. They are going to exert a lot of control over how we travel, where we go, how we live. This is a massive assault on personal liberty. Rich people will be exempt from all this, of course. If you have enough money you will still have your yacht,helicopter, private jet, mansions all over the world. Only average people will be affected by this.
bigrediamDecember 17, 2014 7:49 pm
Sounds like a weather cycle. warmest since 1500 so it was warmer 500 years ago then cooled and now it is hotter. Of course most of our temperature reading stations are surrounded by man made heating sources that inflate the real temp.
GenoDecember 17, 2014 7:42 pm
So does this mean it might have been hotter in the 1500's. From what? Were the farm wagons burning fossil fuels or did the surfeit of horses exude methane gas?
Matt the Vett ManDecember 17, 2014 7:38 pm
I think You all can blame me for driving my 1492 Chevy truck around Europe back then,,,it had dual exhaust and no emission controls
PaulnbamaDecember 17, 2014 7:07 pm
Where do these scientist come up with such bunk. Weather has always changed from one extreme to another. There hasn't been any out of the ordinary warming or droughts. Well except for these: Dustbowl Era - 1930s. Between 1933 and 1937, the Prairies experienced only 60% of its normal rainfall. Thousands of livestock were lost to starvation and suffocation, crops withered and 250,000 people across the region abandoned their land to seek better lives elsewhere. The Great New York Heat Wave of 1896 At the end of the 19th century, New York City was home to some 3 million people, many occupying the notoriously cramped and stifling tenements of the Lower East Side and other low-income neighborhoods. When 10 days of relentless heat baked the Big Apple in August 1896, these abysmal living conditions went from an uncomfortable reality to a death sentence for an estimated 1,300 New Yorkers. The Deadliest Heat Wave in History - July 5-17, 1936. Temperatures exceeding 44°C in Manitoba and Ontario claimed 1,180 Canadians (mostly the elderly and infants) during the longest, deadliest heat wave on record. England 1976 The hottest British summer on record was 1976, when for 25 straight days the temperature hit at least 26.7C (80F). England 1959 Blue skies dominated the horizons for weeks with most places in southern England seeing temperatures above 21C (70F) for at least 100 days. With only five days exceeding 30C (86f) - and few downpours to spoil picnics. In fact, there was so little rain that the five months between May and September remain the driest on record and resulted in a drought. England 1949 – which was the hottest in 30 years – also saw one of the worst droughts on record. A heatwave between mid-June and the end of July exacerbated the water shortages caused by an earlier dry winter. In London, even nighttime temperatures did not drop below 24C (75C) during this period. Australia 1895-1903 Practically the whole of Australia was affected but most persistently the coast of Queensland, inland areas of New South Wales, South Australia, and central Australia. This was probably Australia's worst drought to date in terms of severity and area. Extreme weather has always happened.
SheepishDecember 17, 2014 6:57 pm
So what happened in the 1500s? A lot of SUHs? (sport utility horses)
Shay BappleDecember 17, 2014 6:38 pm
Tree rings, highly accurate test method.
RHO1953December 17, 2014 6:34 pm
Of course they control all the data used to make that determination. From deliberately placing measuring stations in hot spots, to outright fraud, they manipulate the data to get the desired outcome. It is all about an expansion of government control. Don't think for one second that the political elites will change one tiny thing in their lifestyle. It will be the rest of us end up being controlled.
socalpaDecember 17, 2014 6:24 pm
Of course , the "adjusted record" shows warmer years. This article is designed to counter the confirmed lack of significant warming for almost two decades and the utter Failure of the climate models (greater than 98%). - No one is fooled. We know it is part of the PR campaign leading up to 2015 in Paris.
the professor of common senseDecember 17, 2014 6:15 pm
I am skeptical of the weather data that collected in the year 1600 in Europe. The computer systems and devices used to measure and maintain the data in that year due to a Y1600 bug that got in the software We know however from all the other years, the data collected by thousands of weather stations and stored on hard drives back then show that the temps in the 15th and 16th century that was cooler.
g_sorosDecember 17, 2014 6:10 pm
The above Climate news brought to us from mostly government and institutional(aka.government) funding and which has been organized as a non-profit. The mean average global temperature for the last 16 years since 1998 has declined. The decline will go into 2015 and could be predicted to last longer.
ppiaseckDecember 17, 2014 6:02 pm
Are you kidding with statements like this, Scientists are increasingly certain that 2014 will be Europe’s hottest year in the last half millenium. In a study that boosted the odds of a year as hot as 2014 by a factor of 10. Experts using different methods, found the chances of hitting record-breaking temperatures had risen between 35-80 times. WTF! are they placing bets, there is nothing certain here, why do you need to study, the data, it is what it is, why do you need different methods to compile the data, if at first it does not average what you want to see yo fudge the numbers, what a bunch of bull krap, you might as well call 1-900-fortune telling..........
Michael CurtisDecember 17, 2014 5:59 pm
Just so we can all be on the same page, this information comes from models that have already proved themselves faulty. The actual data is showing a slight decrease in global temperatures since 1998, This increase business is only due to what the temperatures SHOULD be doing based on the increase of CO2. This is NOT actual data they are showing you, but modeled data that is what they expect to happen.
richDecember 17, 2014 5:59 pm
Well, what we need to do is see what they did in the 1500's to stop the warming.
GuyBBDecember 17, 2014 5:56 pm
I'm not sure what is the most alarming. Is it that you can't even wait for a few more weeks until you have the actual data? Or Is it that you are trying to imply some ultimate revelation from a single data point on one continent? Or Is it that the Climate Change movement is willing to use any tactic, any misdirection, mislead right to the point of being caught in outright lies, and deny any accountability for past failures? It is bombast and rhetoric like this that continues to convince me that if there were any science in climate science, it is political science. Funny, if you do the same dance as conmen and use the same tactics as propaganda, how many people will consider your ever more shrill proclamations as nothing more than another example of propaganda, and part of the big con.
Michael CurtisDecember 17, 2014 5:53 pm
lol winter is starting and it's going to be a cold one.
Escape76December 17, 2014 5:45 pm
Reads like a propaganda piece.
BIll TestonDecember 17, 2014 5:41 pm
Good, maybe England can start making great wine again. Just like they did a few thousand years ago.
Warner WoodworthDecember 17, 2014 3:47 am
Great to see such a huge crowd of informed, educated Americans, plus others sounding the alarm. I was out of the country so missed the opportunity, but I've marched in more recent such events. Finally, the realities of climate change are becoming better understood by thinking citizens, Christians, even Republicans. Who'd a thunk it? Deniers still exist, their poor heads stuck in the sands of ignorance. But for those who are aware, changes are beginning to be implemented.
Sid AbmaDecember 17, 2014 3:31 am
GreenHearted. The question comes down to "How bad does the world want to reduce Climate Change Emissions?" The most frustrating thing to watch and listen to as a bunch of talk -today, that these countries forget they said yesterday. What ever happened to a handshake that was full of commitment. I guess we are from the "old school". The technology is available to get to "net Zero emissions" at our power plants and industry. It is proven technology, the problem is ~ just as it always has been - the commitment to Make It Happen. Who pays the utility bills for large commercial and industry and our power plants? The tenants of the space and "us" who buy all these commercially produced products. Who pays your utility bills? You do out of your take home pay. Are you aware of your energy costs? Of course you are. Are they? Will they spend their profits to become more Energy Efficient? Will we get to Net Zero? It's a decision that must be made by someone, if it's going to happen.
JimmyPDecember 17, 2014 1:10 am
Coal is dirty, but it's a cheap form of energy. I guess we have to forgive the rest of the world and agree to pay for climate change along with Europe and allow China and India off the hook until 2030
NicholBDecember 16, 2014 1:41 pm
Good thing they dropped the 'annex 1 country' classification, as it is by now outdated. But the developing countries still need help in leapfrogging to the future, adaptation, and even compensation for total loss for some. And it is no wonder that they needed some certainty that this was not being jettisoned along with that 'annex 1' clause. However: it is sad that they did not yet explicitly state the long-term worldwide goal to decarbonise, which could be necessary by 2050. It is time to follow the IPCC and translate the 2ºC ceiling into a carbon budget, which then translates into a year in which worldwide decarbonisation should be achieved. A few alternative formulations of such a type of goal are still listed in the annex of options for Paris. But it the 'Lima call to action' would have been more of a call to action if that goal could have been made explicit.
rhjamesDecember 16, 2014 8:10 am
Very good, but Walt lost a bit by quoting wrong figures for O2 and CO2 content of the atmosphere.
leonard boltonDecember 16, 2014 2:29 am
I'll be so glad when that damned rain forest has all gone, I'm sick of hearing about it.
Jason CalleyDecember 15, 2014 9:08 pm
Dr. Cunningham and Mr. Morano do a good job of presenting their views. As someone with a strong engineering and physics background, my early impression of Anthropogenic Climate Change was that it sounded plausible. After all, who can argue about the radiative properties of CO2? Then, about five years ago, I began to look more deeply into the process and quickly found my opinions changing to become increasingly sceptical. The effect of additional CO2 is much more difficult to analyze than a first glance would indicate. A deeper investigation shows that the presence of H2O and the convective processes of our atmosphere combine to completely overwhelm (and essentially negate) any radiative effects of man made CO2. One can argue over the motives of the scientists who push the Climate Change meme -- but regardless of their motives, the simple fact is, their analysis is in error. CO2 is not a climate changer.
Colonel S.December 15, 2014 12:35 pm
The Pope urged developed nations to stop exploiting poor nations (with corrupt governments) and their fossil fuels, especially oil (see Nigeria). He did not mention anything about "climate change", "global warming" or how the life giving CO2 should be limited in anyway.
VonSwensonDecember 15, 2014 1:49 am
There's a link near the top of the article for a pdf
JimmyPDecember 14, 2014 11:50 pm
This is all about the Third World wanting the US and the EU to give them money and then cut their own throats. They have all agreed to watch
GreenHeartedDecember 14, 2014 7:08 pm
No offense to the author, but what the hell does "net zero emissions" or "zero net emissions" mean? We need ZERO carbon emissions by mid-century, net of nothing. Just good old-fashioned zero. Along with a fabulously exciting transformative leap to the Golden Age of Perpetual (renewable without the burning) Energy. The Burning Age is over, and the Stone Age didn't end cuz they ran out of pebbles.
AnonymousDecember 14, 2014 6:17 pm
Perhaps if this had happened in the back yards of the writers of these responses, some sympathy would be found in their words. Here are a people who live on islands no more than 10' above sea level, at the highest, who are ACTUALLY OBSERVING the erosion of their beaches. Yes these islands change, but he seems to be trying to signal a paradigm shift. Give me (and President Loeak) a break!
Tom ServoDecember 14, 2014 5:36 pm
what a crock - they agreed to go declare "victory" and go home, although no one agreed an what to do, how to do it, and who's going to do it. What a farce!!!
Gary MountDecember 14, 2014 7:56 am
Where can I download the approved "text" and read it for myself ?
Tsuma CharoDecember 13, 2014 5:46 pm
I support Pope Francis on his call for COP20 delegates to unite and get a new climate change deal to succeed the expired Kyoto Protocol. The CDM should be revived while excluding China, Brazil and India as hosts for eligible CDM projects to support clean energy development in the less industrialized developing countries.
Joseph ChepsoiDecember 12, 2014 12:54 pm
I think developing countries can participate by donating time, resources and committing to do what is within their reach and powers to contribute and support climate change adaptation and mitigation measures. It is very possible. We can and limit required support to what is completely out if our capability.
Joseph ChepsoiDecember 12, 2014 12:38 pm
Financing $100 Billion is not insurmountable. With the population of the entire world, this amounts to about $12.5 per person! We can all raise this amount either in cash or in kind.
Daniel BastianDecember 9, 2014 7:49 pm
"Hottest ever ocean temperatures signal end of warming “pause” That is doubly wrong – there never was a significant pause to start with, and of course a single year couldn’t tell us whether there has been a change in trend. - http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=17725
Frank ChungDecember 9, 2014 3:33 pm
China has in fact become a real obstacle for Taiwan to participate in any international organizations;for no other reasons than to force everyone to accept such ridiculous claim-Taiwan is part of China.It might a China' dream to unify Taiwan but certainly it is a worse nightmare for people in Taiwan.China even threatens this tiny island state with force.Even to conquer Taiwan by force will not win the mind and heart of Taiwanese who enjoy a free and democratic life style and would like to take their own future in their own hands that is their common manifest destiny.More importantly, they want to be part of international community and contribute accordingly,but bullied by China all the times.It seems China still believe heinous jungle laws-strong arms and teeth rule the world.They are still in the Stone Ages.
c. c. HsiehDecember 9, 2014 2:39 pm
Taiwan island, a territory separated from Japan after the end of World War Two in 1945. Its sovereignty has never transferred to any party (including China). Chiang Kai-shek's KMT fled to Taiwan, a non-China territory, after being defeated in the Chinese civil war in 1949 and set up his exiled "Republic of China" (ROC) regime on Taiwan is a part of China, but Taiwan is not. For decades, both Chinese regimes, ROC on Taiwan and PRC in China, have used the so called "Cairo Declaration" to claim Taiwan with no positive support from the international community. Chinese claims on Taiwan have no legal basis at all. They are fake and bogus. That's why China needs to use powerful military threats in its statement on Taiwan, as always. Under Chiang kai-shek's military rule with half a million Chinese army plus an imposed martial law, Taiwanese have been struggling for establishing their identity. (The 38-year-long martial law was lifted in 1987. Most of that half a million Chinese army are now buried underground.) Taiwanese are rising to their deserved status in the world. The recent victory in their local elections is one of their big steps forward. It is a shame of human being to have the great UN handcuffed by a few unreasonable powerful nations and behaved like a deaf and mute coward.
globalmanDecember 8, 2014 11:09 pm
Remove all existing taxes and replace with a single Natural Resource Tax based on the environmental damage they cause the planet and all its ecosystems. It will create a whole mindset change along the whole capitalist and economic models around the globe, It empowers the consumer to pay for the cheapest goods without the damage !
guestDecember 8, 2014 6:00 pm
Having grown up on the southern fringe of the tar sands, i take oil company rhetoric for what it is, pure unadulterated H.S. and incidental B.S.. will we have the local 'constituent assembly' enviro revue song and dance shtick Blockade the Highway of Death leading to Fort Mac with a slow moving procession of alternate power vehicles totally legal at minimum speed, by the way!
CatskinnerDecember 8, 2014 3:07 pm
Well there you have it, it is all about money from those that have to those that don't. Surprise!!! A scam!!!
Steven CohenDecember 8, 2014 2:58 pm
Slow progress, but at least the the world's governments realize that carbon emissions do need to be significantly reduced for the benefit of mankind.
floridanativeeDecember 8, 2014 2:55 pm
Not sure how they think they know how much tax will be required to keep world temps below a 2 degree increase when every IPCC model has been incorrect so far. None of them even predicted the 18 year (so far).
Hank WuDecember 8, 2014 5:20 am
The *story* of man-made global warming is a *story* of science fiction.
Science OfficerDecember 8, 2014 5:02 am
When you tell the Arabs that the UN is committed to taking away their only natural resource and their primary income, are you really surprised when they say, "We gave at the office," when you show up for a donation?
William JohnsonDecember 7, 2014 11:28 pm
I fully agree. The unborn are the entire problem. As long as everyone keeps breeding uncontrollably, we will continue to ruin the planet. Since humans removed themselves from the food chain (mostly), we have over populated the planet. We can see when it happens to other species and we either cull the herd or limit hunting to keep populations healthy. Unfortunately we have a majority that believe an all powerful god told us to breed until we are all shoulder to shoulder. Of course they think god will end the world before that happens so they don't really care.
kate wilsonDecember 7, 2014 3:11 pm
thank you for this article.
William JohnsonDecember 7, 2014 12:49 am
So what effects of climate change? I never see a story that gives ACTUAL facts or details about them. Let's assume the earth is warming. What damage can they PROVE has been caused by it? I don't like vague politically backed groups that demand money under false pretenses. This is looking more and more like a cover for wealth redistribution.
socalpaDecember 6, 2014 11:15 pm
Thank you RTCC ed, for restoring my posts. This topic Must be debated . - IMHO The authors of this article should provide the basis in science that justifies the charges leveled against Industrialized countries. - Five Billion people at least rely on FFs for light heat and transportation. - If the costs of FFs are to be artificially raised by governments or Laws that Must Be Justified by Solid Science. - This is Not the case in the C02 Weather connection. Articles like this further exacerbate the Distrust growing throughout the world for Anything climate Related.
socalpaDecember 6, 2014 9:45 pm
RTCC ed..My comments were deleted and they were directly on topic. - Why ?
socalpaDecember 6, 2014 8:56 pm
When was it determined that individual weather events were caused by current or Historic C02 emissions? - IPCC AR5 does not say this . Science actually refutes this concept. World Wide ACE (accumulated cyclonic energy) is at a forty year low and has been Declining since the mid 90s. - It is "morally bankrupt" to Extort funds from Developed countries on such False Pretenses. Many warned that this was the real intent of the "Climate Change" movement and were ignored. - This article proves they were Correct.
socalpaDecember 6, 2014 8:50 pm
Are you trolling or serious ? If serious, seek help . - Climate change CANNOT be stopped . You might as well lobby to stop eclipses.
floridanativeeDecember 6, 2014 5:09 pm
I am sure that this is all a lot of fun for you, but don't expect the US congress to give you any money. Sorry Charlie.
Tim KoomsonDecember 6, 2014 9:05 am
Will Africa be ready for these projects to benefit from the GCF? Read the article in the recent climate and development journal about what should be different with the GCF http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17565529.2014.951015#.VGzdKvmsXT8
GuyBBDecember 6, 2014 12:54 am
Let's see. The shell game continues. Whenever they want "verifiable science" they trot out numbers less than 2 degrees of temperature rise by the end of the century. Whenever they want a strident cry of doom? Then, they trot out an entirely different set of predictions, of up to 4 or even 6 degrees by the end of the century. A "study" for every message, and none can be questioned? One good thing about a vast scam like this, they can't even get their message straight.
IlmaDecember 6, 2014 12:42 am
Why the heck are Greenpeace there when it's off limits to virtually everyone else, including most expert but sceptical scientists & press?
JimDecember 5, 2014 7:15 pm
I'm at a loss, which ONE percent are you ranting about?
JimDecember 5, 2014 7:14 pm
You are 100 percent correct - businesses do NOT pay taxes, their customers do. Taxes are an entry on the expenses side of the leger, along with wages, utilities, materials and every other cost, all of which is built in to the price of their goods.
Ken BarrDecember 5, 2014 7:08 pm
Bad weather is the fault of oil companies? Didn't it use to be Bush's fault before that became old, so they had to find something else?
Climate HomeDecember 5, 2014 7:01 pm
Check the policy - you must stick to the topic of the story - so far I'm afraid you're not managing to do that. Best, ed
DrMcoyDecember 5, 2014 6:49 pm
this is all fine and good... except the fact that big oil WONT be the ones paying. it will be us. you and me. only someone REALLY STUPID doesn't know these costs would just get passed on to their customers.
Robin_GuenierDecember 5, 2014 5:48 pm
My point is that, if "analysts" think that China has agreed to reduce its emissions, they are seriously mistaken - for the reasons I've given. Therefore, reduction targets are even less adequate than they seem to believe.
MichMikeDecember 5, 2014 3:36 pm
The personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population is responsible for more than 33% of ALL U. S. CO2 emissions (their personal behavior results in them having a personal CO2 footprint 50 TIMES the actual average / person). Yet all the plans proposed and promoted by this small group, and the president, will allow them to continue to be THE PROBLEM. OVERALL U. S. CO2 emissions could IMMEDIATELY be reduced 17% were this small group to only personally emit 25 TIMES the average.
GuyBBDecember 5, 2014 2:35 pm
Interesting, is RTCC moderating away all comments opposed to every goal of this conference? For, the more they protest "Science", the more they expose the holes in their narrative. The vast propaganda campaign has reached a crescendo, so they are definitely approaching what they consider their end game. So, RTCC, are you censoring every comment that might run against the expressed goals of your paymasters?
devbahadurdongol.blogspot.comDecember 5, 2014 1:48 pm
What's up with RTCC not to post my comments which are not against RTCC comment policy at all? I am talking always about CC and nothing else. If you don't like may I know the reason?
themacwayDecember 5, 2014 10:49 am
So, yet more reallocation of wealth, nee socialism to fix the third world's problems, hmmm? What a joke. Especially so since 'Big Oil' is made up primarily of mideast nation-states, as exxon-mobil is a lowly 17th on the list of worldwide oil & gas producers, with the rest of these authors' principle targets, private oil, somewhat lower on their hit list. And of note: they never, EVER go after opec with these jabs. Must be afraid of those mullahs. Lol The term these activist authors should be using is 'Free Market Oil' instead, as their main thrust is the end of capitalism on this planet. There's also no point in taking the fraudulent 'data' from the left's vaunted (and self created) ipcc to task either. They just change their phony charts as needed to push their ridiculous agenda. So typical...
David NevadaDecember 5, 2014 10:19 am
If it weren't for Big Oil, you idiots wouldn't have 90% of the stuff you use today. How much does rtcc receive from the government to keep pushing the lies?
Gnome SaneDecember 5, 2014 7:26 am
Thank God small oil isn't the culprit.
bernard townsendDecember 5, 2014 6:03 am
It won't be long before the conditions are right in the western Atlantic that can produce such storms, the eastern USA, and the Gulf Coast will be in ruins in a matter of just a few storms of the large variety.
vic penetranteDecember 5, 2014 5:00 am
Surprise of surprises! Yeb Sano, speaking from his heart in Warsaw, with standing ovation from delegates around the world, has been left at home and not to attend the forum in Lima, because he cried and asked for world fasting. Philippine climate change secretary Lucille Sering said in her e-mail that President Aquino specifically gave instruction "that anyone facing the media must show a picture of stregth." That is not understandable.
jackDecember 5, 2014 5:00 am
nonsense - social liberal justification argument - redistribution
SteveDecember 5, 2014 4:58 am
I use oil. You use oil. Nearly every person on the pla net uses oil. I know it's helped us a lot. But we now know that it also does an awful lot of harm. it's time we found a way to advance without destroying the place. IS there no logic in that idea? I think of it like this. I own guns. Find them useful and use them responsibly which means I don't kn ow if the gun is loaded or not. I don't poin t it at someone in case. If there is no round in the chamber, it couldn't possibly harm anybody. But I knwo it can so I don't take the chance.
WayneDecember 5, 2014 4:52 am
Yep it is all the oil companies fault that there are typhoons is Southeast Asia. Don't you know before there were oil companies there were no typhoons. It is all about punishing big oil nothing else we must punish big oil!
Dravous WildDecember 5, 2014 4:49 am
this is worse than suing a fast-food restaurant for making someone fat. at least being fat isn't make believe.
leonard boltonDecember 5, 2014 4:45 am
If the oil companies where do you think they get the money from -- us you idiot
coolbreezeDecember 5, 2014 4:42 am
The U.S. should lead the way. We must all sacrifice to stop Global climate change. Not only should we stop using coal but we must stop the use of all fossil fuels. In order to bring the carbon footprint down to reasonable levels we should by : 1.eliminate the use of all internal combustion engines 2, elimante all aircraft flights 3. stop raising beef, pork and poultry. 4.elimante all non renewable power sources. 5. Limit families to one child (Humans emit CO2) Yes this would require some sacrifice but we must do our part to save the planet. .
FredDecember 5, 2014 3:12 am
If this isn't a damn scam I don't know what is!!! Oil companies are now being blamed for typhoons! Okay, then lets blame people who drive the cars. Better yet, lets blame the airlines, or even NASA for shooting all those rockets into space! When will this madness end? These enviro-nut jobs could end up destroying civilization by levying fines on anyone or any body. That why this climate change crap is going. So that the rich countries can pay for the stupidity of the poor countries and guess who makes the money in between. The people handling it. This is nothing but a scam to swindle money out of people or in other words, spreading the wealth! Well, I don't give a crap about the people in the half way around the world. They have been getting typhoons for centuries and it isn't going to stop by throwing our money at it!!
Jim WrightDecember 4, 2014 11:51 pm
The only reason it seems hotter is because they cherry picked the data using the 1960 to1990 time period...The time the planet was colder than normal. At this point in time we were told we were going into an ice age it was so cold! These idiots told everyone we were going into another ice age! Can't these liars ever tell the truth???!!!!
mike flanaganDecember 4, 2014 11:23 pm
China and Su Wei are to be congratulated and encouraged for their constructive contributions to this conference and their helpful attempts to find a resolution to this challenge to mankind and the planet. As an Australian I am ashamed of our countries contribution and can only assure delegates that the majority of Australians will remedy this disgrace at the next election by removing the Abbott luddites and his followers from the treasury benches. Our government will then represent the majority of our populations wishes to assist the world in attending to the challenges of Climate Change.
GuyBBDecember 4, 2014 9:37 pm
How convenient for them. To have a weather disaster in the making concurrent with their conference. You would think, from their narrative, that the Philippines had never been hit by a typhoon before. What a load of delusion fed to the credulous.
Jamie ThomsonDecember 4, 2014 8:10 pm
market mechanisms are much more efficient than regulation and have the advantage of being scale free and not needing complete participation in achieving goals. They have been extremely successful and cost effective in combating acid rain along the Canadian/U.S. border.
DMNDecember 4, 2014 7:33 pm
The market into co2 credits should not exist. It is not a market in its true sense where goods are exchanged but a scam.
averagejoe72677December 4, 2014 5:49 pm
The U.S. gratefully declines your money scam. Look elsewhere for a cash cow.
Seb RattansenDecember 4, 2014 5:46 am
Ah thanks for clarification. I'm surprised more news outlets didn't pick up on this as it's actually quite a big deal. So to summarise the US position at Copenhagen was 30% reduction on 2005 levels by 2025 and now their 'new' position is 26-28% reduction on 2005 levels by 2025. So the US has actually gone backwards from the debacle at Copenhagen, and it's being treated as a step forward. Fail.
Climate HomeDecember 4, 2014 4:38 am
Hi Seb, in 2010 the US made a pledge that “would entail a 30% reduction in 2025 and a 42% reduction in 2030, in line with the goal to reduce emissions 83% by 2050.” More here: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/11/13/us-climate-pledge-4-less-ambitious-than-at-copenhagen/
mike flanaganDecember 3, 2014 9:50 pm
The sending of Andrew Robb to this conference is a strategy by the PM Abbott to enhance his denier status of the science of Climate Change. Abbott's position as PM was initiated by Andrew Robb's obdurate denial of the science of Climate Change at a crucial political point of engagement between the government of the day and the opposition to effect a national ETS and enabled Abbott to take the leadership of the opposition party by one vote . Robb is a Trade minister who claims to have completed a FTA between Australia and China recently while stunning the Chinese delegates during negotiations by demanding nothing related to Climate Change or emission abatement should be included in the negotiations or treaty. Abbott has also confirmed he is capable of total contradictions when dealing with Climate Change policies as he recently demanded the G20 ignore the problem because it was 'not an economic issue' while sending Robb to chaperone the FM Bishop under the guise of the economic implications. Abbott and Robb's ignorant denial of the science brings shame on Australia and invites trade sanctions and a pariah nation status on the international stage that the majority of the Australian population cringe in despair with.
Seb RattansenDecember 3, 2014 9:14 pm
Hmm this confuses me. US pledge at Copenhagen was to reduce emissions by 17% from 2005 levels. The new pledge is to reduce emissions by 26-28% from 2005 levels. This is better? I don't understand how offsets come into either target...
AaronDecember 3, 2014 10:50 am
These climate things always seem to end up pretty anti-climactic, now it's like they aren't even going to make a pretense that they will fix the problem. Paris may be the city of love, but I bet it won't be the city of legally binding emission agreements.
Karl DavisDecember 3, 2014 6:46 am
I don't see how affordable and abundant oil make renewables the future. They probably are the future, but this logic is rather tortured. If I were in court and my attorney used logic like this, I would ask the judge for a break and fire him.
dan wipperDecember 3, 2014 5:43 am
Well actually Steve is right about the warming thing and democrats. Every time one opens their mouth a bunch of hot air comes out. If the democrats go away warming/change/cooling/WTF and its required funding should dissipate too.
dan wipperDecember 3, 2014 5:26 am
Phlemming; you're gullible. Its not getting warmer hence they had to change the reason for bilking us to "climate change". Remember, they first were calling for the next ice age because of C02. In fact cooling should be coming as we had the 10k years of warm and should be headed back into 90k years of cold. We are drifting away from the sun however most say its not related. Many attribute it to the sun's variables in power output. Either way, warm is good for us cold very bad..
GuestDecember 3, 2014 4:29 am
But according to your blog, which you linked to above, you're not a climate scientist...
socalpaDecember 3, 2014 12:08 am
Do any of the Delegates know or care that the science now shows that the effect of C02 has been largely Exaggerated ? - Or that despite a 61% emissions increase since 1990 there has been Zero significant warming for almost two decades ? - These "inconvenient" facts are left entirely out of the discussion and the true nature of the assembly is thus revealed as....Greed ! - The poor countries want "their share" of the funds pried from the taxpayers of the West . - Sorry...the U.S. answer must be...No . Our population voted Nov 4th. No Climate Extortion funds.
rifflicksDecember 2, 2014 9:21 pm
do you censor every comment made?
rifflicksDecember 2, 2014 9:20 pm
What was the carbon footprint of all of the attendees traveling by Jet aircraft to Lima?
rifflicksDecember 2, 2014 9:19 pm
It's a real struggle for the poorer countries to put their dignitaries into the same lavish accommodations at these dire high priority conferences to save all of mankind from themselves, and fleece the more affluent countries in the process.....it's a well known scientific fact that wealth re-distribution will protect the Environment.
osseocarnisanDecember 2, 2014 3:29 pm
Let's hope the Catholic Church's intervention in this scientific controversy works out better than it did in the case of Galileo.
Didem AydurmusDecember 2, 2014 2:29 pm
Blaming China is besides the point, if we don't measure actual per capita consumption i.e. first world consumption of Chinese products.
Marilyn M SimmonsDecember 2, 2014 9:49 am
Yes, by reducing our GHG emissions and ensuring that SIDS get the financial assistance they clearly need to adapt to these onsets.
Marilyn M SimmonsDecember 2, 2014 9:46 am
For low lying atoll states like RMI, Tuvalu and Kiribati, flooding is not a sudden experience. However, the rate that this is occurring is alarming and is relatively due to human induced Climate Change
Karl DavisDecember 2, 2014 6:22 am
Huh? Renewables probably are the future, but concluding that new technology that lowers the cost of oil and lets more nations join in producing it is NOT helping the case against oil. I'm not trying to defend burning a lot of petroleum, I'm just talking logic here, and that logic is backwards. If oil wells were running dry and the price were $200 per barrel, that would help strengthen the case for switching to renewables.
spec9December 2, 2014 3:05 am
Nice to see China taking an aggressive lead role. Climate change is getting out of control, let's do this.
Ashwini PrabhaDecember 1, 2014 11:23 pm
Pacific Islanders are proud to fast, we are #climatewarriors and want action from the global community to reduce Co2 emmissions
mydogmoeDecember 1, 2014 7:08 pm
The UN isn't powerful enough to stop a neighborhood street fight much less global warming..
GuyBBDecember 1, 2014 6:48 pm
Sorry. Much ado about .1 degree? When temperatures vary randomly about the trend by as much as .6 degree? How is that significant? Let alone worth mentioning as a point you expect to imply verifies every nonsensical conclusion or recommendation? The fact that temperature is rising is not in debate. However, for any of the "dire warnings" to have any validity? You would actually have to show, you know, in the actual data, that temperature rise is accelerating into the exponential behavior upon which every one of the models predicts. And has predicted for the past 20 years. Still no sign of it! Time to shut up, and go back to the drawing board.
spec9December 1, 2014 6:00 pm
Miami is already doomed to be flooded out in 150 years or so. But we apparently don't care about our grandkids so we'll continue to little. :-/
Gypsy2057 .December 1, 2014 5:46 pm
I don't see how the 2 degree rise in global temperature is avoidable. The CO2 content went above 400 PPM this spring before coming back down due to seasonal trends but is already about to cross 400 ppm again. We are already trapping in heat at an unprecedented rate so it's only a matter of time. My best guess is we'll see that 2 degree rise by 2050.
Uncle Sam Gone BadDecember 1, 2014 5:46 pm
You idiots do realize that it is now Summer in the Southern Hemisphere where Peru is currently located? -- Sure looks like there is stiil plenty of snow in those mountains tho'
JimKDecember 1, 2014 5:35 pm
These talks are getting old. When are they actually going to do something besides just make plans for the next meeting?
DerekDecember 1, 2014 2:45 pm
One thing that we an be sure of, is that no doubts will be expressed over the certainty of the science. The 18 year pause will give them no pause for thought.
JuanDecember 1, 2014 2:35 pm
It shames me as a Spanish national to read that a top ten economy is only willing to contribute the value of a euro million winning lottery ticket to the green climate fund, just about 10% of what other large economies are contributing.
James PickettDecember 1, 2014 2:22 pm
"Peru’s highest mountain, Nevado Huascaran, is affected by glacial retreat, affecting communities who depend on melt water" Doesn't 'glacial retreat' mean that they're melting more?
ThisNameInUseDecember 1, 2014 4:12 am
Do you seriously think scientists don't account for local influences? I think they've heard of air conditioners.
Paker51December 1, 2014 12:25 am
Each country on the map will destroy their economy while India and China will continue to build coal fired generating plants.
NickNovember 30, 2014 2:32 pm
There is no good reason for us not to act on this threat. Action a decade ago (when it was widely called for) would have given us more time to change our ways. Now, it's a matter of extreme urgency. It is clear that the "wait and see" approach has proven itself to be extremely imprudent.
Brad ArnoldNovember 30, 2014 12:16 pm
Nonsense. Geoengineering (as in SRM, or solar radiation management) has been proven to work - the short lived sun dimming pollution we put into the air already inadvertently cools us down about 1C. Furthermore, SRM is as easy as putting a hose onto a balloon (yes - one balloon and one hose!), sending it up to the stratosphere and pouring engineered sun dimming aerosol into the air. Finally, the other option is a rise in temperatures that will make growing crops outdoors impossible due to heat waves and the drying out of the soil and plants. In other words: there is a very simple and extremely cheap way to immediately cool down the Earth - just add a little (more) sun dimming aerosol into the air. If you don't like the results, just stop, and it will wash out shortly. People that don't understand that this is inevitable are in denial - I guess they would rather a human bottleneck in terms of population. BTW, for those that deny SRM works: perhaps they can explain the effect of volcanic eruption on the climate, when their fumes and dust block out the sun and the temperature plunges. But why argue, when heat waves destroy crops, and the human population is starving, I bet they will be more accepting of SRM.
Andrew M HartleyNovember 30, 2014 4:36 am
Plenty of Christian organizations have affirmed the reality of global warming & the need to mitigate it. Care of Creation Christian Reformed Church Creation Care Evangelical Environmental Network United Methodist Church Young Evangelicals for Climate Action More at http://www.hoosieripl.org/creation-care-statements "Tending" & "keeping" the "garden" was the very first commandment given to humans. Tend = give form to. Keep = preserve that which was handed down.
Lincoln torgersonNovember 30, 2014 4:26 am
This space soon to be flooded with insignificant denier postings.
Ray DziadzioNovember 30, 2014 4:05 am
By leaders of course they mean the US
Andrew M HartleyNovember 30, 2014 3:16 am
You don't seem to have read the article, that talks about the much greater spending of the conservative climate science deniers. If you can show that the article is wrong, you should do so. Otherwise, why post anything?
Andrew M HartleyNovember 30, 2014 3:12 am
uh, if you can show that "global warming has scientifically been proven false," you should publish a paper about it. You'll be famous. You'll clear up so much confusion. Until then, though, why are you spouting your mind, with no evidence to back it up?
noahharrisNovember 30, 2014 2:56 am
The GOP/Tea/Fox/Jesus party rejects all of the above... party on!
joeNovember 30, 2014 2:44 am
Darkening the skies??? Seeding the oceans??? Why not just re-forest the de-forested areas? Plant indigenous trees in various areas around the world. Does the approach really have to be designed by Dr Frankenstein?
polecat33November 30, 2014 2:25 am
But climate change is what drove our ancestors to survive by innovation. And so will our progenies survive by better innovation.
NikolaiNovember 30, 2014 1:47 am
The problem is that every climate change mitigation "plan" generally involves making energy more expensive, which in turn, pushes more people into poverty. Do liberals, who seem to be the only people who wholly embrace the notion of anthropogenic climate change, truly want to make energy a luxury of the rich, and the elites?
Jim WrightNovember 30, 2014 1:27 am
Here we go again we have to have rational because there is no direct proof!
Todd NelsonNovember 29, 2014 10:43 pm
This is one of the most asinine articles I have read in a long time. SInce there has been NO increase in global temperatures in over 18 years, as admitted to by the UN IPCC, these geoBS ideas are there to further the fraud that is "climate change". It is just someone's stupid idea to make money off the scare, regardless of whether or not it accomplishes anything. They are solutions for a problem that only exists in the computers of the scammers, not in the real world.
Robin_GuenierNovember 29, 2014 5:53 pm
The enforcement of any treaty or other international agreement is always notoriously difficult. And none of the three Options listed above re a climate "deal" seems likely to be very effective - for the reasons suggested. The usual remedies at International Law are: (1) Reciprocity, whereby an injured state seeks to inconvenience the transgressor (for example, if in a trade dispute one state – contrary to a treaty – imposes high tariffs, the other does likewise in return); (2) Collective Action, whereby several states collaborate to punish a transgressor (e.g. via economic sanctions or even warfare); and (3) Shaming, whereby public statements are made to "name and shame" the transgressor. Only the last of these seems likely in practice to be appropriate to a climate treaty - and even that would be ineffective if the transgressor simply didn't care or took no notice: note how some countries seem to be impervious to human rights allegations. So effective enforcement of a climate treaty would seem to be close to impossible. In any case, it's hard to see how the concept of establishing the worldwide regulatory and inspection regime that would be essential to ensure equitable monitoring of compliance could possibly be anything more than hopelessly fanciful. And it should be needless to point out that any treaty that incorporates vague and meaningless terms such as "target", "ambition", "intention", "hope" and "voluntary" could not realistically be enforced in any event. Indeed any ambiguity in the wording of a treaty is likely to vitiate enforcement. In my view, this hard practical problem is too easily and too often ignored in the context of climate negotiations.
Nick BradshawNovember 29, 2014 5:48 pm
According to recent scientific research, the West Antarctica Ice Sheet (WAIS) is actually thickening.
Uncle Sam Gone BadNovember 29, 2014 5:38 pm
Hmmmm -- Zero Carbon by Mid Century, eh? --- And since people in the act of living are exhaling Carbon with every breath -- Well, draw your own conclusions.
EdwardWJonesNovember 29, 2014 4:12 pm
He heads the richest of them all, and is the worlds largest land owner, the 1% ers look up to him.
EdwardWJonesNovember 29, 2014 4:10 pm
The problem with listening to a religious nut is that belief filled religion blocks the flow of intelligence and you end up listening to ignorance in action.
Richard KleinNovember 28, 2014 2:31 pm
Happy birthday! The above is a nice read, and shows how far you guys have come, but you're too modest. Your role goes far beyond doing the odd interview that makes a splash. The enormous complexity of the climate talks has become a major barrier to progress in and of itself, if it weren't for RTCC (and ENB) to make some sense of it all. You've done an absolutely amazing job; it's hard to imagine navigating through the climate talks now without being able to rely on the fast and trusted news, comments and analysis you provide. Thanks, and keep up the good work!
Robin_GuenierNovember 28, 2014 9:38 am
Oh no - yet again far too much is being made of the so-called "US-China pact". It wasn't a pact, it was a joint announcement. And it stated that China "intends to achieve the peaking of CO2 emissions around 2030". Note the language: an intention, not a commitment - a peak, not a reduction. Even the date is vague. But worse it means that China can continue to increase its emissions (already nearly 30% of the global total) for another sixteen years. To put that into context, here's a graph showing China's emission growth over the last sixteen years: http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2013/07/global-co2-emissions-increases-dwarf-recent-u-s-reductions/ (Note especially the second graph.) In other words, the announcement was virtually meaningless. It would be closer to reality to say that it puts little, if any, pressure on India, Brazil etc. And why should a non-binding statement whereby China is to continue to increase its already massive emissions for another sixteen years "give no more excuses for inaction by the likes of Japan, Australia and Canada"? Precisely the opposite would seem to be more logical.
Bob BinghamNovember 28, 2014 8:31 am
This Pope is a problem. He speaks his mind and the truth. He is not a hard line traditional and believes in the people. most religious leaders just want the rich supporters and the status quo.
Clive ElsworthNovember 27, 2014 7:18 pm
It's a pity the EU is so wedded to Cap & Trade, which is less efficient and more opaque than a straight carbon tax and horrendously complex to reconcile (link) with other carbon pricing mechanisms, meaning we'll probably suffer more carbon leakage and a more sluggish economy for years. In the U.S. the Republicans are considering a simple revenue neutral scheme called Carbon Fee & Dividend, which has been modelled to boost their economy, jobs, incomes and health while reducing CO2 emissions by 52% compared to no scheme: http://citizensclimatelobby.org/carbon-fee-and-dividend/
Tom RobbinsNovember 27, 2014 7:14 pm
We need to stop thinking popular science has been hijacked by big business and governments, they love their grant money and love the attention, and these imoral men will do anything to keep that myth alive, all the while we waste 100's of Billions of dollars that could really have been used to clean up our water, air, and land. Instead the rich get richer and poor get poorer and the middle class begins to disappear. CO2 is NOT a cause of anything, it is a minor "greenhouse" gas, and if anything it is a byproduct of natural warming - as the oceans warm they put more Co2 into the atmosphere, period.... basic chemistry against the lies of the globalist monsters that are lacking any kind of a conscious and will do anything for power and money or simply from arrogance that man is all knowing. If anyone ever tells you that 98% of scientists agree about ANYTHING, that should send up alarms - this never happens in true science, its what keeps science healthy
Ntungwe NgalameNovember 27, 2014 4:35 pm
I think the involvement of African Journalists in development journalism is at record levels in recent years albeit paltry compared to those in other continents. Many of these however are freelance reporters for international media organisations that are either specialised or have created space in their multiple news platforms for development news content as well, especially climate change and the environment. Specialised networks of media professionals in climate change reporting like the Pan African Media Alliance for Climate Change, PAMACC, have come to swell the ranks of professional media organisations in development issues. The main problem lies in training to build capacity of these specialised groups so they can better accompany the different development stakeholders in their drive to change the narrative of Africa.
Elias Ntungwe NgalameNovember 27, 2014 1:17 pm
I think the involvement of African Journalists in development journalism and especially climate Change and Environment issues is at record levels in recent years, albeit paltry compared to those in other continents. The Pan Africa Media Alliance for Climate Change, PAMACC that came to swell the ranks of speciallised media groups in the continent since 2013 has been doing a marvellous Job, development actors in Africa testfied at the 4th Climate Change Development for Africa,CCDA in Marrakesh- Morocco recently. The growing numbers of journalists in the continent knocking at the doors of PAMACC recently according to the continental coordinator of the Network Isaiah Esipisu, dispel any assumptions. But as Megan Rowling of Reuters Alertnet says, the problem of adequate training and capacity building on the subject still remains crucial. PAMACC made it clear at the closing of the Morocco Climate conference that development stakeholders both in and out of the continent need to open their doors and provide the opportunity for the African journalists to accompany them Change the narrative of Africa's dismal Situation.
cardiganNovember 27, 2014 11:55 am
Bit more than a typo, perhaps wishful thinking, as Rajendra Pachauri recently said that India cannot be expected to reduce its emissions, because of its high poverty levels.
DavidNovember 27, 2014 11:41 am
Turkey's seljuk PM's speech in G20 Brisbane Australia was cynicism and hypocrisy.
Robin_GuenierNovember 26, 2014 7:14 pm
"... the new GHG reduction targets set by the EU, China and US covering 50% of emissions have been branded inadequate by analysts." Yet even this is a serious display of wishful thinking. China is currently responsible for more CO2 emissions than the EU and US combined. And, contrary to the impression given here, all it said was that it "intends to achieve the peaking of CO2 emissions around 2030". Note the language: nothing was set, just intended - and a peak is not a reduction. Even the date is vague. Worse, this means that China can continue to increase its emissions (already nearly 30% of the global total) for another sixteen years. To put this into context, here's a graph showing China's emission growth over the last sixteen years: http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2013/07/global-co2-emissions-increases-dwarf-recent-u-s-reductions/ (Note especially the second graph.)
IlmaNovember 26, 2014 4:58 pm
Slight problem Ms Figueres; on the current trajectory, the world's temperatures are going nowhere but DOWN despite the rises in CO2! So are all the other measured trends, floods, droughts, wildfires, storms, etc. Global ice is increasing and sea level rises are not accelerating. To claim otherwise is malicious deceit. Second slight problem, all that CO2 is GREENING the planet - plants and crops are flourishing. So forget your "it's a disaster" rhetoric, and recognise the TRUTH, that man's CO2 emissions doesn't cause global warming, that CO2 does NOT control global temperatures, or make weather more extreme, or 'trap heat' or 'back radiate to further warm the surface', but is entirely beneficial. Evidence has trumped your beliefs, as belief is all you have, nothing more.
coffeeHouse1982November 26, 2014 2:11 pm
A quick climate fact: So far, 2014 has been the coldest year on record in the north-east US.
Finance SchminanceNovember 26, 2014 1:51 am
Don't forget Indonesia - pledged US$250,000 at the start of the year.
James GreysonNovember 25, 2014 11:27 pm
Is climate-resilience enough? Merely trying to cope with worsening climate change and global multi-crises sounds like a strategy for global insecurity. Surely global security requires actual solutions to the whole system of interconnected multi-crises? Worth noting that NATO published outcomes from an 'advanced research' workshop on exactly this question: http://blindspot.org.uk/seven-policy-switches/ Here's the same policy work from a climate perspective: http://climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/1300701/planId/1310001 If this is helpful for anyone working on these issues I'd be grateful to hear.
floridanativeeNovember 25, 2014 10:52 pm
Carbon capture does not exist, The third world countries would not use it if it did exist unless it added no cost. Other than these pesky facts, it is a wonderful idea,
Mike TurnNovember 25, 2014 5:13 pm
The hubris of these people, who think that THEY are the ones who have to come up with a plan that will last 1000 years. Who's to say 30 years from now, when we will have more information, better technology, etc and the people involved in climate study realize that this 1000 year plan is obsolete, which is very likely. Would these current planners object to their 1000 year plan being changed or gutted in 30 years? You know they would. And to plan for 1000 years of climate, when we can't predict next year's climate is ridiculous.
HighSnidesNovember 25, 2014 3:37 pm
Missing Trillions. Loss and Damage. This is what its all about. Can you imagine if the United States agrees to Loss and Damage? Every poor country in the world will line up to sue us for trillions of dollars and they will win in a UN kangaroo court. Then the good taxpayers of the US will be asked to give away their wealth in a redistribution - which is the real agenda behind global warming for many countries. Now that we know that the antarctic sea ice is much thicker than our supposedly infallible scientists thought, perhaps some of the questions should be about how this can be if the oceans are absorbing more heat? Perhaps they need to ask why the planet has not warmed in 16 years and if their theory of deep ocean absorption can be true if sea ice is increasing. The problem with these climate change alarmists is they have lost any objectivity they had. Instead of reviewing new data with an open mind, they simply form new theories to explain the data so that the end result - warming - stays the same. Scientists, even groups of them, can be wrong and have been wrong in the past. To blindly accept what they say even when it conflicts with observation does not make you smarter.
Jagadish ThakerNovember 25, 2014 12:10 pm
Typo in third para, its US and China that signed a deal recently, not US and India.
jameshrustNovember 25, 2014 1:38 am
The Associated Press article "NOAA: More heat records set in Aug." (News, Sept.19) reported that August 2014 National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) global temperatures beat the record for 1998 and the combined three months of June, July, and August also beat the record for 1998. NOAA's temperatures are based on stations spread around the planet that are subject to local influences like nearby air conditioning units. More accurate measurements are obtained from NASA satellite data from the University of Alabama (Huntsville) that is available on the Internet. Satellite data shows August years of 1998, 2006, 2007, 2010, and 2012 were warmer than 2014. In addition, for the combined June, July, and August, the years 1998, 2010, and 2011 were warmer than 2014. James H. Rust, Professor of nuclear engineering
WarrenNovember 24, 2014 11:29 pm
The majority of accumulated atmospheric CO2 belongs to the the US,, the EU, and Japan. The US Clean Power Plan, a cornerstone of the US commitment, was in place just prior to the announcement of the agreement, and it doesn't start implementation until 2020. US emissions have started rising again, after dropping due to nat gas substitution for coal, and a weak economic recovery. China's piece is an investment in Nuclear and renewables of 800 - 1000 gigawatts, roughly the size of the total current US energy portfolio. They're economy is growing at a rate of 2-3 times the US, andt heir emissions growth rate is, as a result, much higher. Optimists would say the two largest emitters are finally agreeing to do something, potentially putting pressure on India, Japan, and others to make commitments. Pessimists say China is the major current emitter,and must flatten their emissions growth rate more than they are, whereas the US is doing much more. Many think the West fell on their sword. Chinese think they did. Enviros are cheering; those that consider AGW unimportant are mad as heck at POTUS. I'm a lifelong conservative Republican, and I'm with Obama on this one. For this the first time, the two biggest emitters came to an emissions agreement, flawed as it is. The more important question is what's next. Did this first step make more steps possible, or will it be forgotten by both parties?
GraceAdams830November 24, 2014 8:38 pm
It would be cheaper to pay up to $100/short ton of carbon content for coal reserves as mineral rights than to either clean up after coal or suffer the global warming consequences of burning coal. The biggest problem with natural gas is LEAKS. Methane is a very potent greenhouse gas in its own right. Methane is leaking not only from natural gas wells and fracked fields, but also from animal husbandry and sewage treatment plants and from methane hydrate deposits along all coastlines especially near mouth of rivers. If we would stop all the leaks and capture and make good use of almost all of the methane now escaping, it would help. Joule Unlimited claims on its website that given enough volume of demand to achieve economy of scale, its GE microbes growing in clear tubes in our desert SW can produce ethanol, gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel, for $1.20/gallon. To avoid letting big oil murder the engineers working at Joule Unlimited, our federal government needs to BUY the patents (Constitution pegged price of patents deemed necessary to national defense at $25,000 when it pegged the price of gold at $20/troy ounce.) and enough equipment and starter culture of those GE microbes to set up each of our too big to fail oil firms with a pilot plant to start mass-producing these products.
Doug AllenNovember 24, 2014 8:36 pm
The discussion is superficial and outdated without referring to the IPCC 2013 Assessment and further lowering of estimates of climate sensitivity by climate scientists. It appears warming will easily be limited to 1.5 degrees by 2050 based on the recent estimates of climate sensitivity. See- http://climatesensitivity.blogspot.com/
Archibald_BomwitzNovember 24, 2014 8:29 pm
That would mean less need for Russian oil and gas in the future!
BruceNovember 24, 2014 6:11 pm
Yes it can, just not by human intervention. To think we can regulate the temperature of a planet, when we cant even build a fence, is ridiculous.
John MurrayNovember 24, 2014 4:18 pm
So, what is the goal? Are we going to "slow" global warming by cutting CO2 emissions? If that's the goal then the poles will still melt, the glaciers will still receded, the deserts will still expand, storms will still get worse and the oceans will still rise. So the ONLY thing we gain by slowing global warming is to push it off onto our kids. Now wouldn't it make a LOT more sense to spend that time, money, and effort working on ways to take advantage of a warmer climate instead of ways to shove it off on a future generation?
Devon ShireNovember 24, 2014 3:21 pm
Sure, listen to that bastion of science we know as the World Bank. Because the best way to convince people Global Warming isn't a tax scam is to have the WORLD BANK telling people what to do about Global Warming. Do you really think people are that stupid?
ferd_berpleNovember 24, 2014 10:06 am
So, the Chinese agree to keep increasing emission until at least 2030, while the US and EU agree to commit economic suicide. The announced 40% reduction by the EU and 25% reduction by the US are not nearly enough to offset the doubling (or more) of Chinese emissions that will take place by 2030. They are however enough to ensure that China will surpass both the EU and US economically long before then.
PatrickInBeijingNovember 23, 2014 7:34 pm
If you are honest, you will look at the disappearing land ice in the South, which should frighten you more since it is directly related to rising sea levels.
rkiefNovember 23, 2014 7:36 am
I cannot help wondering how much aid and comfort the Canadian government is giving to native Canadians who live near the Tar Sands operation, and who have seen their ancestral lands swallowed up, polluted, and degraded, and their health threatened by the monumental environmental catastrophe in which they are helplessly (and hopelessly) enveloped.
William HathawayNovember 22, 2014 5:26 pm
The pictures I looked at were taken 10 years apart and the myth of oceanic heat sink has been debunked. This is consistent with the data showing Earth and Mars warming at the same time and relative to sun spot activity. Sorry if this makes you feel impotent in the face of something that man can't control, but Oh Well.
Castle MoatNovember 22, 2014 3:44 pm
No it is not. At some point in history that coal you mentioned was not used for energy and at some point was like solar. It was new and grew 500%. Now coal is huge. So too will become solar. Have faith. 500% is better than anything less. 5000% would be better. However, you can't get to 2 with getting to 1 first. You can't get to take over coal without getting to 500%. Instead of being pessimistic, be optimistic and cheer them. Purchase products from good environmental companies and countries. And last but not least, have you personally taking a 500% increase in renewables? It starts with us individuals....
transNovember 22, 2014 2:12 pm
You forgot to mention the 250% tariff the U.S. imposed on China solar panel imports. Yea, that'll keep those costs up! But the last laugh is going to be on Big Oil (who lobbied that bill through Congress) and to the determent of the U.S. industry b/c the Chinese will just figure out how to manufacture it for 250% less. Oops.
Jasmine LindrosNovember 22, 2014 6:13 am
While your assertions are laughable, your attention to actual NUMBERS is admirable. Temperature and CO2 concentrations are not linearly related, and I am unaware of any study, anywhere, anytime, which has claimed they ARE linearly related. Your 0.3C increase is not supported by anyone, anywhere, but if you can contradict me please do so. "Temperatures are pretty much static for 15+ years" ignores the data you have just quoted, so please go back and re-read your post. Please revisit this post in January, when we should find out if 2014 is the warmest year ever measured, as it is (so far) on track to become. Please also describe how September, as the warmest average monthly temperature ever measured, for any month, ever, for the ocean, fits your "model."
BrentOzNovember 22, 2014 3:26 am
Reaching agreement to reduce and reverse the rate of growth in use and rapid accumulation in the atmosphere of HFCs is the biggest single step the world can take to mitigate climate change. It has been disappointing to see the Gulf countries and Pakistan persist in their obstruction of the progress that the rest of the world agrees is urgently needed. Arguments raised by certain Parties that the Montreal Protocol has no mandate to address non Ozone Depleting Substances are nothing more than defiance of the science that clearly tells us the fate of the ozone layer and the climate system are inextricably intertwined. The Montreal Protocol is unquestionably the most suitable and effective forum to achieve a rapid reduction in HFC use and emissions. To continue to suggest that the UNFCCC is a more suitable place to address HFCs is widely recognised as an untenable proposition. In a last ditch effort to salvage something from the deadlocked talks in the HFC discussion group earlier today the US presented their “Conference Room Paper” in the final moments of the plenary, which aimed to provide a mandate for ongoing talks in a formal contact group during 2015, and to hold an extraordinary MOP and three day workshop on “alternatives” (or low GWP options) with particular concern for the circumstances of high ambient temperature regions. It was amended twice to remove the reference to “contact group”, and then to make other adjustments in desperate negotiations to address outstanding concerns of Parties. But after much discussion in the corridors and the plenary hall, the meeting has been prevented from adopting the American proposals in the amended CRP by the obstinate refusal of Pakistan and Iraq to give their support to the CRP, in spite of almost all Gulf countries who had expressed firm opposition earlier in the meeting coming on board in the last hour. However in a significant silver lining, under the Alternatives to Ozone Depleting Substances agenda item, a one day extraordinary Meeting of the Parties and a three day workshop on solutions to the HFC problem will take place in April next year, at a venue yet to be determined. This will present an opportunity to resume the HFCs discussion prior to the July Open Ended Working Group, and keeps alive the prospect of a deal on HFCs at the November 2015 MOP. While the 26th Montreal Protocol Meeting of the Parties will go down in history as a lost opportunity to achieve rapid action on HFCs, the withdrawal of very significant opposition from many Parties may yet come to be recognised as a turning point in the long road to rid the world of the extremely potent HFC super greenhouse gases.
mike flanaganNovember 21, 2014 11:07 pm
It appears the maxim "Honour among thieves" is a myth. The Australian PM Abbott introduced Harper to Australians in the Aussie parliament as his best friend, indeed nearly a brother he said, after their marriage and exchange of vows at the climate change deniers altar of coal and tar sands. Abbot believes this bank is a Marxist plot and socialism gone mad and is an ebolic like virus on steroids that must be resisted and destroyed. Perhaps Abbott might not see Harper's 300 big ones as too brotherly now.
CBNovember 21, 2014 7:18 pm
The records are meaningless, but yet you're going to cite the records to suggest 2010 was the warmest year in a century? Tom, what precisely are you attempting to say?
BlueskyNovember 21, 2014 6:13 pm
To find out what the government thinks of your neighborhoods come to Midwest City, Oklahoma we have a fracking site within a neighborhood. This fracking site has 6 salt water tanks which each tank has a ladder that goes to the top that is open, there are small children in this area and they have no fencing around the tanks. They do have fencing around the well itself but not the open air salt water tanks. One family just had a house built within less than a year this site started building diagonal to there new home. Home value now less than what it cost to build. We all have well water here could you not put this fracking site out in the plain areas and not our neighborhood? What rights do we have as home owners. We just watched our property values go down. We are a city not out in the country for goodness sakes. This would make an interesting story of government greed. God help us all!
CalvadosdeBarbados .November 21, 2014 6:01 pm
Correct, about US$265 Million.
John CatleyNovember 21, 2014 5:35 pm
Keep it up Ed. If you try enough, someone might actually warm to you and start to believe in you. The rest of us can rest secure in the knowledge that you are, in the words of DelBoy, "a right plonker".
John WBNovember 21, 2014 5:11 pm
God help us all if this imbecile ever becomes PM.
TserendulamNovember 21, 2014 8:00 am
Hello. I think most one of polluted country is Mongolia, capital Ulaanbaatar. Ulaanbaatar is the among top 10 cities with the worst air quality in the world, primarily due to the household coal and wood burning for cooking, heating and ger area. So air pollution and environmental pollution is highest percent in Ulaanbaatar. Ulaanbaatar needs help.
BrianNovember 21, 2014 2:50 am
.74C above average is a record breaker?
Devon ShireNovember 21, 2014 2:36 am
Remember this onslaught of nonsense 50 years from now when the Pacific islands are just fine.
TomHarrisICSCNovember 21, 2014 2:27 am
Here are the stats: 1 - The record for Oct 2014 was set by 1/100 deg C over that for Oct 2003, but the uncertainty in the calculated temperature is 7 times bigger, according to the National Climate Data Center. 2 - the year to date "record" was set over 2010 by 1/100th of a degree C and the uncertainty is 11 times bigger. So, the records are meaningless. Tom Harris, B.Eng., M. Eng. (Mech.) Executive Director, International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) www.climatescienceinternational.org
mcomNovember 20, 2014 11:51 pm
Canada's Pledge = $300 million (I'm assuming CAD): http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do;jsessionid=277414ba1ac3c4b2e6f6b1dc799cb34ef87727b8c7f73b5c0ca6b2032be5de7e.e34Rc3iMbx8Oai0Tbx0SaxqRahv0?mthd=index&crtr.page=1&nid=906609
Jerome BessonNovember 20, 2014 10:02 pm
Taiwan authorities = ROC on Taiwan = The people of Taiwan in limbo = Taiwan status in mothballs = Ambiguity continued. As long as the people of Taiwan will hoist that decommissioned flag of convenience, Taiwan will remain where the SFPT art. 23 (a) "principal occupying power" placed that former territory of Japan — i.e. insulated from a UN where one China after another wields the veto card. It is far from ideal but that was the best John F. Dulles could come up with, given the reality on the territory and in the area surrounding it.
agsbNovember 20, 2014 5:37 pm
Seeing how COLD it is, I would say COLD won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
grantNovember 20, 2014 1:37 pm
not true. the temperature has not risen since 1998. Go back and read up on the issue if you are going to comment.
Jesse_FellNovember 20, 2014 11:26 am
Atmospheric temperatures have been fairly level for 15 years or so now, but that does not mean that warming has stopped -- only that the share of increasing heat stored by the atmosphere has decreased slightly, and that the share stored by the oceans has increased slightly. And even so, atmospheric temperatures remain at an historically high level, and there is no explanation for this, apart from increasing levels of atmospheric CO2. As for satellite pictures of polar ice caps -- it is important to look at the pictures taken over decades, and not just pictures of the ice caps taken one year and the next. It's also important to distinguish the permanent year around ice cap from the thin seasonal winter ice. Take those two factors into account and the loss of polar ice in recent decades in unmistakeable and dramatic.
Jesse_FellNovember 20, 2014 11:20 am
Climategate was an artificial scandal -- based on distortions of words in private emails that were easily presented as meaning things that they did not mean in the minds of the people who wrote them. The true scandal is that private emails were hacked and that irresponsible journalists and talk show demagogues spun their contents all out of recognition.
Sergio CorreaNovember 20, 2014 9:21 am
Money should be spent of the very basic backbones of social development: better urban infrastructure, waste and water treatment, food security, health and education. Without these firmly in place no coordinated plan can prosper. Action cannot be other than a systemic and holistic approach where each and every project or intervention can be understood as a module, scalable and transferable to different contexts. No one size fits all, too ambitious on paper types of plans can properly address the complex interdependence of the issues above mentioned. Resources can sometimes be modest but imagination and strategy are not...designers, architects, urban strategists, educators, health experts, environmentalists must be together with all stakeholders involved and co-designing solutions with citizens is fundamentally important. Top down decision can often miss the mark if people are not directly involved in the very processes supposed to improve their lives. Projects must be carefully chosen for long term impact as resources are never limitless, and public /private partnership have historically demonstrated to provide lasting solutions. Governments potentially benefiting from such resources must see them as a chance in a lifetime to leapfrog from their condition of being underprivileged. No country is free from mismanagement or corruption or political oppression so this is a unique chance not be missed! People MUST be directly involved in a process of co-designing their own future, so no top down process can work. A bottom up, grassroots set of actions dips the only way to obtain precious data information for intelligent actions. It is not about money, it is about using it correctly. As John Ruskin once said" quality is never an accident, it is always the result of intelligent effort" Africa desperately needs intelligent efforts to move ahead as its potential is vast. Sergio Correa de J. Medina
Peter GuardinoNovember 20, 2014 9:17 am
It's not Taiwan and China. It's mainland China and Taiwan. Or Taiwan and mainland China. Or Beijing and Taipei. Taiwan is the Republic of China. The mainland is the People's Republic of China.
sjajNovember 20, 2014 3:42 am
Age seems to be taking a toll on you. No one was calling for an ice age when you were in high school except a couple magazines.
sjajNovember 20, 2014 3:41 am
You are absolutely wrong. Please show me one model that claims temps must rise exponentially. Just because you say something doesn't make it true.
sjajNovember 20, 2014 3:40 am
Everything you stated in that first sentence is wrong.
sjajNovember 20, 2014 3:39 am
We can very accurately measure the suns output. This is not a big mystery.
sjajNovember 20, 2014 3:38 am
It was the same emails regurgitated. A global conspiracy and the only emails that turned up were two that used the words "trick" and 'hide the decline". This was climategate???
sjajNovember 20, 2014 3:37 am
There are handful of scientists who disagree. Around 3% I believe.
sjajNovember 20, 2014 3:36 am
You should get your science from scientists and not politicians.
sjajNovember 20, 2014 3:34 am
Please post the journal where these "recent investigations" can be found.
sjajNovember 20, 2014 3:32 am
The truth always wins, yes climate science is winning.
sjajNovember 20, 2014 3:32 am
You seem to base much of what you know from watching Gilligan's Island.
sjajNovember 20, 2014 3:30 am
Successful predictions by climate computer models. That the globe would warm, and about how fast, and about how much. That the troposphere would warm and the stratosphere would cool. That nighttime temperatures would increase more than daytime temperatures. That winter temperatures would increase more than summer temperatures. Polar amplification (greater temperature increase - compared to former local averages - as you move toward the poles). That the Arctic would warm faster than the Antarctic. The magnitude (0.3 K) and duration (two years) of the cooling from the Mt. Pinatubo eruption. They made a retrodiction for Last Glacial Maximum sea surface temperatures which was inconsistent with the paleo evidence, and better paleo evidence showed the models were right. They predicted a trend significantly different and differently signed from UAH satellite temperatures, and then a bug was found in the satellite data, i.e. the models were right. The amount of water vapor feedback due to ENSO. The response of southern ocean winds to the ozone hole. The expansion of the Hadley cells. The poleward movement of storm tracks. The rising of the tropopause and the effective radiating altitude. The clear sky super greenhouse effect from increased water vapor in the tropics. The near constancy of relative humidity on global average. That coastal upwelling of ocean water would increase. The size and altitude of the Antarctic ice sheet during past ice ages.
sjajNovember 20, 2014 3:29 am
There has been warming as a matter of fact this year is on track to be one of the warmest on record. Please check the National Snow and ice data and see that glaciers are rapidly disappearing around the world.
Steve BarbershoresNovember 20, 2014 3:14 am
From the start of the article: Countries need to accept radical carbon cuts over next decade to avoid worst climate impacts, says UN -------------------------------------- Man, all these guys are way out of touch. If we were to stop producing green house gases 100%. Not just reduce them 20 or 30 %, it won't change the impact of global warming on these low lying islands significantly. The carbon is already in the air. It will keep heating the planet more and more. What it will effect, is it will reduce the rising of the seas caused by combustion. According to my calculations, since the year 1800, we have produced enough water as a direct byproduct of combustion to raise the world's oceans 2 inches. At current combustion rates, probably another 3 inches by the end of the century. If we continue to increase our combustion at recent rates, maybe 5 inches. Just my take. Best of luck, Barbershores
Michael TNovember 20, 2014 3:06 am
UN is an useless organisation, just lot of talks and meeting only with no real power.
JunYo CNovember 20, 2014 1:47 am
Why should china have a say in what Taiwan does? Taiwan is its own country, different flags, different government, different currency, different military, different culture, and etc. The list can be pages long. Besides in issues as important as world climate the more people involved the better! Let’s not be petty and exclude people base on believe.
Alan MillerNovember 20, 2014 1:34 am
More AGW garbage. debating the question of Taiwan being allowed as an observer is not going to matter a hoot.
Bill_WoodsNovember 20, 2014 1:14 am
One such was Sigmar Gabriel. “Those who demonstrate against coal-fired power will get nuclear power plants instead.” http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2012/08/magical-thinking-in-germany.html
mike flanaganNovember 20, 2014 12:52 am
A 500% increase on a minimum is meaningless if Modi also progresses his planned vast expansion of coal fired power generators. He has just returned from Australia after currying favours with the Climate Change Denier Abbott to expand the mining of coal in vast amounts(60m tons pa) to feed these proposed coal powered generators. Fortunately his crony developer's plans are currently stymied for the lack of finance to develop the largest coal mine (Carmichael) and port (Abbot Point) infrastructure in the world. However Modi's visit to Australia and engagement with Queensland Premier 'Cando' Newman and PM Abbott has born fruit it seems, with the announcement that the Australian Tax payers will fund the associated infrastructure of rail and port to encourage more rogue elements of the international finance community to join and finance Modi, Abbott and Newman's planetary destructive cudgels.
PhlemmingNovember 19, 2014 10:48 pm
Wow! Winter is coming on and you nonsensically think that somehow negates AGW? Antarctic and Greenland land ice is melting. The ice that is increasing is seasonal sea ice. The aeon old ice is melting.
PhlemmingNovember 19, 2014 10:45 pm
Augmented by anthropogenic effects.
PhlemmingNovember 19, 2014 10:44 pm
Distorting the truth. The article says Antarctic Land Ice is melting while Antarctic sea ice ice growing. [But it won't be expanding much longer this season as Summer is coming on in the southern hemisphere and sea ice is seasonal.] It says quite clearly that Antarctic land ice is melting. Arctic Ice has become almost all seasonal sea ice.
PhlemmingNovember 19, 2014 10:40 pm
Not exactly what the article says. It says: 1. Arctic ice reached its 2014 minimum of 5.01 million square kilometres last week, the sixth lowest extent since records began 2. Antarctic Arctic sea ice is expanding 3. Antarctic Arctic land ice is melting Not at all what you said in your comment. Note also that there have been 9 Cat 3 &4 hurricanes in 2014, the most active year for hurricanes in the Pacific since 1992. Making landfall in the U.S is a meaningless metric. Why must you slant and distort information? Who is paying you to lie by omission?
AMETEOROLOGISTNovember 19, 2014 6:32 pm
Believing in facts make you biased? We I'd rather be biased than ignorant.
AMETEOROLOGISTNovember 19, 2014 6:30 pm
Because Global Warming is too simplistic a term. It's not just about getting hotter, which is a big part of it, it's also about flooding rains, rising seas, droughts, and amplifying severe weather.
AMETEOROLOGISTNovember 19, 2014 6:29 pm
It was dismissed because the scientists were just discussing a problem they had with a research model and were trouble shooting it. Pretty typical issue. Imagine if thousands of your emails were stolen and phrases pulled out of context. You could make anyone look bad with no basis in fact.
AMETEOROLOGISTNovember 19, 2014 6:26 pm
No it wasn't it. They were academics discussing a problem they had with a research model. No deep conspiracy, just trouble shooting an issue. Imagine if someone stole thousands of your emails and then pulled things out of context for their own ends. The scientists should have sued the crap out of those people.
AMETEOROLOGISTNovember 19, 2014 6:23 pm
Who do you think is funding the propaganda? Academics from hundreds of countries or big oil? Who has more money and more at stake? And once again weather is not climate!
AMETEOROLOGISTNovember 19, 2014 6:12 pm
Thanks for your uniformed rant. We can change the climate. That's what hundreds of research projects have found. Volcanoes can too, but they haven't been much of factor the last hundred years.
AMETEOROLOGISTNovember 19, 2014 6:08 pm
No it became political because big oil used their money and people's ignorance to make it so. The facts of climate change don't care about politics.
K. TruantNovember 19, 2014 6:05 pm
There's one thing about records, they always have and always will be broken. Being the 6th lowest on record actually shows an improvement does it not combined with growing Sea Ice in the South? This discredits the WarMongers catastrophe models and proves them wrong again. One thing they forgot in this article was how much sooner the arctic ice is already freezing this winter and how much resilient the ice is becoming. The Arctic was supposed to be Ice Free by the year 2000!!! These alarmists are no different than the hippies of the 60s who were crying the world was about to end!!
AMETEOROLOGISTNovember 19, 2014 6:05 pm
We can measure the sun's output. The sun has stayed fairly steady the last century with actually a slight downturn the last couple of decades. And small amounts of CO2 are extremely significant. If there was zero the Earth would be a lifeless ball of ice, but raise it to 280 parts per million and it's ideal for life. Our activities have now raised it to 400 parts per million and rising. Facts are a funny thing.
ACNovember 19, 2014 5:52 pm
Yes, it is well established that about 3% of active climate scientists are at least somewhat skeptical. Nobody says it's unanimous. And a decent number of these quotes are at least a little misleading. When you have to take quotes out of context and/or cherry-pick studies to support your view, there's a good chance you're not being objective.
Robin_GuenierNovember 19, 2014 5:48 pm
Moreover this article indicates that – according to a US study in 2011 – it was then already expected that China’s GHG emissions would peak in 2030 (or earlier) because of demand ‘saturation’: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/29/us-china-climate-emissions-idUSTRE73S1VV20110429
ACNovember 19, 2014 5:47 pm
This is one of the weakest arguments you people have; I suggest moving on to a different one. How many doctors smoke, drink, overeat, don't exercise, etc.? Our decision making process is, in general, quite irrational. It is not at all uncommon to have a significant contradiction between what someone believes intellectually and what their emotions compel them to do when it actually comes time to act. This is cause to question their sincerity to some degree, but in no way invalidates their intellectual position.
William HathawayNovember 19, 2014 5:33 pm
Can someone explain to me why there has been no warming in over 10 years and why satellite pictures of the polar ice cap during that time show growth rather than size reduction?
JimNovember 19, 2014 5:28 pm
I can see why a Brit would come to this conclusion. Support for AGW theory in Europe has been solidly above 50% for a long time, and wasn't seriously affected by Climategate. On the other hand, support in the US severely bottomed out in 2009 as a direct result of Climategate, and has never completely recovered. Depending on how the question is asked, support has been hovering between 35% and 45%. Only 35% of Americans believe it should be a high priority for the government to take action. Support was gradually climbing last year, but dropped again this year thanks to the IPCC's admission that global mean surface temperatures haven't really changed since the late 1990's. The bottom line is that Americans aren't as easily convinced by charts and graphs produced by computer models, and tend to believe what they personally witness. They also have a difficult time understanding how mild summers and record cold winters could be a side effect of a planet that's supposed to be getting warmer. However, contrary to what most of those on the climate change bandwagon believe, most Americans are in favor in reducing or even eliminating dependence on fossil fuels, mainly because it just seems prudent not to depend on a resource that won't last forever.
DMNNovember 19, 2014 5:25 pm
It is vague because the point is for the wealth to go somewhere else.
pattio2005November 19, 2014 5:11 pm
"Since records began" sounds so much better than 1979. Both Antarctic AND Arctic ice are expanding, there has been ZERO measurable warming in 18 years, there have been ZERO category 3 or higher hurricanes to make landfall in the U.S. in 3,313 days contrary to the wailing and gnashing of teeth by global warming zealots after hurricane Katrina. And all of this while we continue to burn fossil fuels and raise flatulating cows, not to mention the runaway carbon emissions of China and India. 'Splain that. (hint: giant burning orb called the Sun is the main influencer of climate)
DMNNovember 19, 2014 4:26 pm
And by the way Mr scientist 150 years since the industrial revolution is hardly geologic time.
John HaganNovember 19, 2014 4:21 pm
Gil, that's complete nonsense. Even mainstream climate scientists have proposed explanations for why the Earth's temperature hasn't risen as quickly as the models predicted. As far as the last 6 months being the hottest ever, that claim alone should tell you something about whether your getting real science or if someone is selling you something. The difference between the top 5 warmest years is smaller than the measurement error in determining the global temperature. It's not possible, based on the science, which year is the hottest when they're all within a few hundredths of a degree of each other. The fact is that CO2 emissions have risen faster than the most pessimistic model projections. Despite that there has been a strong deceleration of the warming trend that was seen at the end of the 20th century. ENSO cycles, a cooler Sun, volcanoes, and deep ocean heat absorption have all been offered as possible factors that mitigate CO2's warming effect, but that doesn't mean the models were correct. Post hoc analysis isn't a substitute for making predictions that match observations. That's called "Texas Sharpshooting" and it's not science.
DMNNovember 19, 2014 4:05 pm
That is not true. 100% false claim. Here is the temperature scale along with time going back 400k years. There is no unprecedented warming, nor is the highest anything. http://perigeezero.org/treatise/timeline/index.html
DMNNovember 19, 2014 3:32 pm
Really Tom, so 35% of the population is a majority to you? Actually you are the science denier of observed evidence. There is no 97% consensus and by the way since you like science so much, please instruct us poor ignorant fools of the scientific method and the principle which states that science is determined by some vote. However, please also let us know what exactly what has AGW predicted and came true. I would like to know, please enlighten us with your overwhelming scientific knowledge.
PygmalionNovember 19, 2014 3:07 pm
The nuclear decision was an incredibly knee-jerk response by Germany, a country not usually know for knee-jerk politics. This is all the more true in that none of the significant risk factors considered to have contributed the the Fukushima disaster apply to Germany or to their nuclear program.
BenNovember 19, 2014 2:59 pm
Speaking of deniers...
SayWhatNovember 19, 2014 1:35 pm
Wow, not a fact to be found in that drivel. So you're idea is that anyone that can think for themselves is funded by Big Oil?
WarrenNovember 19, 2014 12:06 pm
Because that's the fastest rate of global temperature rise in 1400 years
$5308190November 19, 2014 12:06 pm
Unfortunately the thickos (such as Delingpole's coterie of dangleberries) still think what they were only too happy to think on their first impressions of "climategate" As with other idiots the world over (particularly in the USA) they have an attitude of "I already made my mind up once, why would I need to again?" For them, the fact that investigations have been held and the comments contextualized and found to have a very different meaning from the spin delivered by the hackers makes no difference. It was the closest they have ever come to landing a blow, and no one is going to take that away from them by using annoying reality.
JimmyNovember 19, 2014 11:57 am
Tom you're no different from a fire and brimstone preacher telling folks that if they don't believe in the preachers version of God they will burn in hell for eternity, you and liberals like you are telling us to forget the overwhelming evidence of no global warming for the last 18 years, call us names and tell us we're going to burn in Topeka or Chicago or whatever city we're in. You're just as fake as that preacher is and we mock you. Tom your fake global warming religion is irrelevant to the vast majority of folks who do a simple google search and discover a multitude of scientists who think your religion is a fraud starting with the founder of Greenpeace.
Paul M RaupNovember 19, 2014 10:21 am
Train your children and grandchildren NOT to give people money who profess one thing and actually DO another................they will have a much better chance to survive regardless of weather OR climate.
Paul MatthewsNovember 19, 2014 9:54 am
1. I am a scientist. 2. This discussion is about the impact of climategate, not whether it's warming.
A KhalidNovember 19, 2014 9:21 am
where is money going to from for this 100 GW project which - I suppose - is going to be PV based. CPV electricity is still very expensive.
Tom FarrellNovember 19, 2014 6:28 am
There is no war. There is the majority who accept reality, and the minority who are the deniers, to whom everything is a hoax or a conspiracy of some sort. These are the same fools who will tell you that there is no real evidence for the big bang and that evolution is a scam perpetrated by atheists. You should no more take a climate change denier seriously than you would a mosquito bite; they're more annoying than anything.
JoshelynNovember 19, 2014 6:18 am
It is safe to say that those with the most power and resources are more susceptible to developing an advanced climate change protection and resiliency plan. Countries with more power are less sensitive to the impacts of climate change because they have built up something similar to “immunity” to it. How will these “poorer” third world countries be about to afford more effective resilience like that of “richer” countries? Where do their funds come from?
Pville LandladyNovember 19, 2014 6:05 am
Warren: 1.5 degrees in 100 yrs why wouldn't you look at that as incredibly stable.
Pville LandladyNovember 19, 2014 5:55 am
Bill: Al Gore?
starmannateNovember 19, 2014 5:07 am
But it will have the desired effect of making Al Gore and his cronies much richer!
robertNovember 19, 2014 2:27 am
June 2014 wasn't the hottest here in Florida,not by a long shot. So where is this record coming from?
Jeffrey MichelNovember 19, 2014 2:25 am
It will be very difficult for Germany to attain its 40% CO2 reduction target in 2020, as shown by the graph in the following article: http://www.energypost.eu/german-lignite-thrives-policy-ambivalence/
frankly2November 19, 2014 2:10 am
Here is repeat of a comment I have made before. It is still true. Most climate scientists were environmentalists and liberals before they even chose to become climate scientists. Being a liberal environmentalist is then reinforced by a culture of political liberalism on the campus they are working for. Same for the EPA. Almost everyone who wants to work for the EPA starts with a liberal bias. If you want to find moderate and conservative scientists look in the nuclear industry or in any private industry. That is how global warming became so political so quickly. The scientists who promoted it were treating it like a "cause" consistent with their political activism.
JohnNovember 19, 2014 1:52 am
Climate change is what politicians are using to deflect us from demanding that they solve real problems that have no answers such as terrorism, rogue states, poverty, crime, etc. I think that it is only when those problems are solved, that we attack something as complicated as the weather. In a perverse kind of way, it we all killed ourselves and thus, didn't need fossil fuels to survive both problems would be solved. LOL.
jim_robertNovember 19, 2014 1:51 am
Who won? Let actual scientists speak: “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.” “Inevitably in climate science, when data conflicts with models, a small coterie of scientists can be counted upon to modify the data...That the data should always need correcting to agree with models is totally implausible and indicative of a certain corruption within the climate science community.” Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist. “The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet. “Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles. “The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico “It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA. “Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ. “After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review. “For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden. “Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee. “Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh. “Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles. “CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan. “The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. “Climate is not responding to greenhouse gases in the way we thought it might. If increasing carbon dioxide is in fact increasing climate change, its impact is smaller than natural variation.”Prof Christopher de Freitas, of the University of Auckland, NZ said there was no evidence to suggest carbon dioxide was the major driver of climate change (In 2003, Dr. de Freitas, who edits the journal Climate Research, had published a peer-reviewed article saying the recent warming is not unusual, relative to previous historical climate changes in the past 1,000 years. As you might suspect, Dr. de Freitas had to withstand multiple demands he be fired from his editorial job, as well as his university position. “We’re not scientifically there yet. Despite what you may have heard in the media, there is nothing like a consensus of scientific opinion that this is a problem. Because there is natural variability in the weather, you cannot statistically know for another 150 years.” — UN IPCC’s Tom Tripp, a member of the UN IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] since 2004 and listed as one of the lead authors and serves as the Director of Technical Services & Development for U.S. Magnesium. “The dysfunctional nature of the climate sciences is nothing short of a scandal. Science is too important for our society to be misused in the way it has been done within the Climate Science Community.” The global warming establishment “has actively suppressed research results presented by researchers that do not comply with the dogma of the [UN] IPCC.” — Swedish Climatologist Dr. Hans Jelbring of the Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics Unit at Stockholm University. “The whole idea of anthropogenic global warming is completely unfounded. There appears to have been money gained by Michael Mann, Al Gore and UN IPCC’s Rajendra Pachauri as a consequence of this deception, so it’s fraud.” — South African astrophysicist Hilton Ratcliffe, a member of the Astronomical Society of Southern Africa (ASSA) and the Astronomical Society of the Pacific and a Fellow of the British Institute of Physics “Please remain calm: The Earth will heal itself — Climate is beyond our power to control…Earth doesn’t care about governments or their legislation. You can’t find much actual global warming in present-day weather observations. Climate change is a matter of geologic time, something that the earth routinely does on its own without asking anyone’s permission or explaining itself.” — Nobel Prize-Winning Stanford University Physicist Dr. Robert B. Laughlin, who won the Nobel Prize for physics in 1998, and was formerly a research scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. “I appreciate the opportunity to add my name to those who disagree that global warming is man made,” John Theon wrote to the Minority Office at the Environment and Public Works Committee on January 15, 2009. “I was, in effect, Hansen’s supervisor because I had to justify his funding, allocate his resources, and evaluate his results,” Theon is former Chief of the Climate Processes Research Program at NASA “Over the years, the IPCC has changed from a scientific institution that tries to be policy relevant to a political institution that pretends to be scientific. I regret that. There are already more than enough climate activists, while there are too few solid and neutral bodies that make down-to-earth and well-founded statements about climate change and climate policy.” Economist Richard Tol, in a prepared statement for the Dutch parliament examining climate-related controversies http://nofrakkingconsensus.blogspot.com/2010/04/seasoned-veterans-view-of-ipcc.html, or www.Climategate.nl Interestingly, even IPCC uber-warmer Ken Trenberth has stated “It’s very clear we do not have a climate observing system… This may be a shock to many people who assume that we do know adequately what’s going on with the climate, but we don’t.” Professor Emeritus Friedrich Karl Ewert a geologist from Paderborn University noted the "evaluation of long-term temperature readings . . . disprove that we have man-made global warming," and presented the results of his analysis at a CFACT meeting in 2011 that of over 1,100 temperature curves from around the world, concluding, "the final result is that in 74% of all stations of the world we had no warming." While the UN has often been told there will be terrible consequences if the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere remains at or increases from the current 390 parts per million (ppm), Dr. Ewert pointed out that "in the geological past, we had the greatest glaciation of the earth (the glacier went down to 35 degrees north) when we have carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere of 1400 [ppm]. That means it was several times higher than today." In other words, the historical evidence proves CO2 does not control earth's climate. Dr. Ewert summarizes "It is necessary to conclude that the particular effect of manmade carbon dioxide production is not recognizable, in other words, does not exist." “I am a skeptic on climate change. I know the climate is changing, and it always has been. I've studied this intensively over many years. I started what I call the Carbon Project here in British Columbia back in 1989 in order to bring everybody together to discuss this subject and figure out the facts behind it. Since then, I have watched as hysteria has grown, as if the whole world is going to come to an end and civilization is going to die because of humans causing this climate change. I don't buy that, and I certainly know we don't have any proof of it. I'm not denying that we might be playing some role, but the natural factors that have always caused climate change have not suddenly disappeared. I'm very skeptical of the alarmist nature of climate campaigning.” – Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace, [
franklincityNovember 19, 2014 1:09 am
Q- What sort of jerks promote the agendas of oil companies, billionaires and health insurance companies over their own well-being? A- Stupid Republicans.
stevek9November 19, 2014 12:05 am
The only confusing part of this is why it would surprise anyone. Wish I could remember who said it 10 years ago: 'You can burn coal or you can burn uranium'.
Al WellsNovember 18, 2014 11:45 pm
That's an odd red-herring you've come up with there.
Steve ShafferNovember 18, 2014 11:36 pm
The science is not correct, too many basic mistakes were made in the data collection. If I did that the house I built would fall down 5 minutes after I finished!
Steve ShafferNovember 18, 2014 11:33 pm
It not the appearance of wrong doing! What was revealed was that their whole data collection and interpretation was skewed in favor of a political agenda! Now no one trusts them!
mizz tanyaNovember 18, 2014 11:13 pm
the climate has always changed, it will always change. we can not change the weather because we can't change the biggest source of heat, the sun, and we can't stop the biggest source of pollution, volcanoes erupting, anything we do would be a drop in the bucket to these two major factors in our weather system. you're welcome.
Latimer AlderNovember 18, 2014 10:41 pm
The atmosphere is where we live and die. As do the crops we eat. It is atmospheric temperatures that matter to us. And whether the deep oceans warm by a few hundredths of a degree per century or not is of not of any real concern.
Latimer AlderNovember 18, 2014 10:37 pm
So we're cooler now than 2010. 2013 was less than 2005 and 1998. I guess 2012 was cooler than 2010, 2013, 2005 and 1998. And so on Where is the warming? Temperatures are pretty much static and have been for 15+ years. But CO2 is up by approaching 10% over the same period. If CO2 drives temperature as expected we should have seen 0.3C increase. We haven't. Please explain. (IPCC AR4 2005 'For the next two decades, a warming of about 0.2°C per decade is projected')
Latimer AlderNovember 18, 2014 10:27 pm
Paul is probably too modest to correct you but see http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/mathematics/people/paul.matthews
ReteinNovember 18, 2014 10:17 pm
MrMax, This is the most intelligent observation on the climate change issue I have seen to date. The ecosystem naturally compensates to maintain balance. More CO2? More green plants grow to use it. No hysteria needed, and no EPA to redistribute wealth.
BobSmith223November 18, 2014 9:49 pm
The "warming world" is not in doubt, it's not warming! The decadal rate of warming is certainly no greater than the rate established in the previous several thousand years, and global sea level is not rising any faster than it has for the past several hundred years! The data do no support the man-made global warming theory! Because of that fact, there obviously can't be man-made climate change. Since they just call it "climate change", are we supposed to think that man can now change the natural climate changes that have been happening for thousands of years? These fools wouldn't be so aggravating if they weren't so successful in perpetuating this fraud for so long!
FanandalaNovember 18, 2014 9:47 pm
I feel vindicated.
LewisNovember 18, 2014 9:47 pm
Now, now, no scientist in search of a degree, tenure, or a grant has ever fudged data. Remember the Professor on Gilligan's Island? That is how the public should view scientists. Did the Professor ever worry about losing his job? Feeding his family? Attaining fame in the scientific community? No! No! No! Furthermore, would a scientific publication print a paper that wasn't gospel truth? Ask Timothy Leary.
JohnNovember 18, 2014 9:44 pm
Implying that is how climate change works.
FatBastage72November 18, 2014 9:30 pm
And 'about 2030' also happens to be when demographers expect China's population (and consequently their energy demand) to stop growing, so by doing absolutely nothing China's carbon dioxide emissions will peak 'about 2030' anyway. Some 'historic pledge'.
HansNovember 18, 2014 9:26 pm
Who won? Per the author, climate science - really? Is that why climate change is now the lowest priority of issues to resolve? Is that why the cap-n-trade legislation failed? Is that why the number of skeptics is increasing annually - now approaching 1000's? No, sorry, climate science did not win and was soundly put on alert to stop lying and distorting the data and facts on climate change.
reading schistNovember 18, 2014 9:25 pm
How can people who claim to be scientists investigate a natural phenomenon like climate without looking at all of the potentially interacting variables? As an engineer, let me give you an example. You have noticed that sometimes your house is too warm in the winter, so you call one of these scientists. After taking phony measurements, or using a computer model to generate them, he concludes that you have too much insulation in your walls...it keeps the heat in your house from properly escaping (greenhouse effect). In his opinion, the only solution is to remove some of the insulation in the walls. You say "that sounds expensive". He replies "yes, it will cost about $75,000". You say "wow, that will bankrupt me!", and he replies "but it is absolutely necessary to save you from overheating". Then your wife walks in and says "dear, why don't you just turn down the thermostat". Why do these brilliant scientists only talk about the insulation, and ignore the heat source? Have they determined that the energy output of the sun is constant? If so, how do they explain large climate changes before man learned how to burn fossil fuel...as in past ice ages?
Fuzzy ThinkerNovember 18, 2014 9:21 pm
Science is all about 'cause and effect'. If the data is so weak that scientists dance away from saying a specific "change" (such as 90% increase in CO2 level) is causing specific weather(such as 70% increase in hurricanes), then it is NOT science. This discussion belongs in the category of Horoscopes and Astrology.
MisterMax2000November 18, 2014 9:11 pm
IF there is any warming taking place on the Earth and there certainly could be, the obvious reason is because of solar cycles / activity. Why would you want to blame global warming on an insignificant increase in an insignificant gas in our atmosphere? The story would be FAR MORE believable if you blamed it on the Sun. The Sun is roughly the same age as the Earth. About 4.6 BILLION years old. And ever since its birth, the Sun has been expanding as it burns through it's primary fuel, hydrogen. As the mass of the Sun decreases from matter conversion into energy, there is less mass to compress the Sun into a smaller sphere. So the Sun has been expanding from its very origins. Now, 4.6 BILLION years later, the question is not why the Earth is warming even a little bit. The question is why has the planet not burned up a long, long time ago. The answer is simple and obvious. The Earth contains many mechanisms or safety valves for keeping the climate relatively constant. Knowing this and the fact that the Sun is still expanding, are you seriously going to continue to blame such an insignificant if at all warming on a statistically insignificant increase in an insignificant gas? It would be ridiculous to even consider doing so.
BillHarryNovember 18, 2014 9:10 pm
Is it politics living from science or science living from politics? No idea. But clean it is not.
YodaOfMathNovember 18, 2014 9:08 pm
The hottest decade on record was 2000-2010. The second hottest was 1990-1999. The third hottest 1980-1989. What part of "going up" are you confused about?
unapologetic_americanNovember 18, 2014 9:05 pm
Be wary of those who advertise problems to sell "solutions."
P- Francesco VillellaNovember 18, 2014 8:55 pm
RTCC (Responding to Climate Change) - Gezz - why didn't I get it just from the Name. Wasted my time. Does Bloomberg own this too??
Tim MillerNovember 18, 2014 8:51 pm
Don't like the weather? Just give your money to the Government and they will fix it for you. How about fixing the economy? A Carbon tax will surely send our fragile economy down the tubes. And for what? A fake cause? A new religion? A Government that pretends to actually care about us? They must have spent a ton on how the human mind can be manipulated and controlled through the media.
Fuzzy ThinkerNovember 18, 2014 8:50 pm
The writer states conclusions but does not give any supporting evidence. Are we supposed to just take his word that one group is right just because he says so?
Randy RichardsonNovember 18, 2014 8:48 pm
The Bill Ney guys don't address what happened to the higher levels of CO2 prior to man kind appearing on the planet and the fact that the climate will ALWAYS be changing even if man were to go extinct tomorrow. To say that man has not contributed to the environment is ridiculous. If one ant farts it is contributing to the environment. It is to what degree that contribution is affecting the ever changing climate that is up for debate and virtually impossible to prove one way or the other. We do not have a controlled planet exactly the same as Earth in every way except without MAN to use as a comparison.
Randy RichardsonNovember 18, 2014 8:43 pm
Scientific studies have shown that atmospheric Carbon Dioxide in past eras reached concentrations that were 20 times higher than the current concentration. Recent investigations have shown that the current change of climate is part of a larger cycle known as climatic lowstand phase which precedes a sequential warming period known as transgression phase. The purpose of this evaluation is to demonstrate that the Earth is actually cooling, in the context of the total geological timescale, and that the current change is equivalent to a serial climate phase known as lowstand.
Jasmine LindrosNovember 18, 2014 8:40 pm
2010 is the warmest year, by global average, that we've ever measured. 2005 is the second-warmest, 1998 is the third, and fourth is a tie between 2003 and 2013. Don't let the facts hit you in the butt on your way out.
gary wNovember 18, 2014 8:39 pm
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/
BarringtonNovember 18, 2014 8:36 pm
The debate is now over. Anthropogenic climate change is real and we have lost too much time arguing and doing little. Because of the delays in taking action, the hill is now much higher to climb. We are already sentenced to a 2 degree rise - that is unavoidable but the real risk is that it may be 4-6 degrees by centuries end if we continue on our current trajectory. That would be truly catastrophic. Now is the time to stop talking and take action. Even the Republicans can see the writing is on the wall for the denialists. Watch for a whole scale Republican conversion in the lead up to the 2016 election. I watched Rand Paul with Maher. Paul is embracing CC now. He is no fool. Jeb Bush will have to do the same.
JazzenjohnNovember 18, 2014 8:35 pm
Their is a huge disconnect between what global warming believers think of Climategate and what deniers think of it, almost as much of a disconnect as what researchers understand about the recent pause and what they think about the 95% certainty claim, and what the writers of the "Summery for Policymakers" think of the 95% certainty, and know about the pause...
Dan ShoeNovember 18, 2014 8:35 pm
Win the war? How about lose the war?? Those living in low lying areas will lose the war unless they are renters who can move easily to higher ground as the seas rise.
Gil HoughNovember 18, 2014 8:35 pm
Latimer - The temperature increases are actually well within the IPCC projections and models. Not ever year is hotter than the last. There is more variability than that. But the over all trend of warmer temperatures is unfortunately exactly as expected. Though of course the last 6 months are the hottest ever.
gary wNovember 18, 2014 8:33 pm
Paid for by the Koch brothers. All we need to know is who funded this claptrap of disjointed information. Even the whole notion of a conspiracy is insanity at its worst. Scientists from a huge range of disciplines, connected to thousands of different organizations, and funded by thousands of different sources (usually not much), all draw the same conclusions, so there no single file cabinet from which a conspiracy is launched. That is beyond crazy. But, if you don't want to believe me, just do some math. This is easy, once you break it down to 1,2,3. We can (and do) measure the CO2 going up. Just check the sticker on the side of any new car. We know what we are spewing. We know what that does by reading ice cores. A, B, C. It isn't even big science. We need not models. We need go about 2 inches deep into the math, and no more. Not that that is where they stop, but it is foregone that man is pushing too much CO2 into the air and that it has a warming blanket affect. On the other hand, during a particularly cold November is the perfect time for oil money to spew this bought for advertisement.
Clear FogNovember 18, 2014 8:31 pm
Anyone interested in what really happened, check out what scientists say, not self anointed bloggers. Climategate Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct. The eight major investigations covered by secondary sources include: House of Commons Science and Technology Committee (UK); Independent Climate Change Review (UK); International Science Assessment Panel (UK); Pennsylvania State University first panel and second panel (US); United States Environmental Protection Agency (US); Department of Commerce (US); National Science Foundation (US).
MonsterNovember 18, 2014 8:31 pm
PR doesn't change the facts. Hottest decade on record. http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-temps.html
MonsterNovember 18, 2014 8:30 pm
"NASA agrees, 2002 - 2012 hottest decade on record" http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-temps.html sheep
chfnelsonNovember 18, 2014 8:28 pm
As I sit here shivering in way-too-early cold weather, all I can say is I still have no faith in the politically driven GW hoax. The hoaxers point to glaciers melting. What they seem to ignore is they have been melting since the end of the little ice age. And I question who these 'scientists' are, who only keep their funding by being on board with the scam. If they oppose it, their funding is cut, and they are attacked by the true believers.
Gil HoughNovember 18, 2014 8:28 pm
It is clear that simply the appearance that there might be wrong doing caused serious harm. Even though there were no actual errors ever found; that were not shown to be used out of context by Fox 'News' and other political groups. Hopefully in the long run, people will take a deeper look and not just accept claims of misdeeds without checking themselves.
Clear FogNovember 18, 2014 8:28 pm
Yet another Denier ignoramus that does not know the difference between global and atmospheric warming, that the base line of 1998 was the most energetic El Nino ever, that the oceans are 50x more massive than the atmosphere, and that oceanic warming continues apace. Ignorance can sure be pesky.
STEVIETEESNovember 18, 2014 8:26 pm
Again, the global warmers REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE SUN AS THE PRIMARY AND ONLY MAJOR(GREATER THAN 90%) FACTOR OF CLIMATE CHANGE!! They continue to push their CO2 theory and that man has more to do with climate change than the SUN! Where did these so called climate global warming scientists go to school? I have one scenario that will blow their theory that CO2 production plays a major role in their so called "climate Change"! If a major volcano erupts disastrously and for several weeks continuously, what would happen to the atmosphere as the ash (CO2 pollution production) fills the sky around the world or part of the world? According to the GW's, increased CO2 production would cause increased world temperatures,right? WRONG! What would really happen is the earth would COOL DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY NOT HEAT UP! Why is that? With more CO2 in the atmosphere! Because of the BLOCKING OF THE SUN'S RAYS FROM THE EARTH by the ash in the atmosphere PROVING THEIR CO2 THEORY IS TOTALLY OFF BASE!
Joseph UptonNovember 18, 2014 8:26 pm
I knew it was a fraud when I heard Al Gore say "the debate is over". That is something people say when they don't want to debate and real scientists don't talk that way.
KurtNovember 18, 2014 8:23 pm
Many understand the "science" is correct. Its the remedy that most don't buy from the scientific community. That community is long on science, and short on practicality.
Fred Z in Ann ArborNovember 18, 2014 8:21 pm
Who is this "technology" you speak of, and how did we foil its dastardly plan?
pdpaulduboisNovember 18, 2014 8:21 pm
The decade from 2000 to 2009 was warmer than the 90's by more than the 90's were warmer than the 80's. every year since 2000 has been warmer than 2000, only 1998 was warmer than 2000 in the 120 years before 2000. 2010 is currently the warmest year on record and 2014 is on track to beat it with 2013 tied for 3rd. All of this is during a period when solar activity has decreased and the Pacific Decadal Osculation is in a phase that should cause cooling. So it sounds like you might be wrong on many counts.
DeeNovember 18, 2014 8:20 pm
sounds like another scientific consensus, among those that agree that they did good even if they were wrong.
FatBastage72November 18, 2014 8:19 pm
Oh dear. So Tom Steyer couldn't buy an election and make the credence vote the way they were supposed to; therefore it must be because evil big oil have managed to 'drown out popular calls for action on climate change' with some evil conspiracy? You don't suppose that the obvious conclusion is actually that the popular call is for government to stop squandering public money on a non-issue that we're all getting sick and tired of hearing about? ...And you people call us 'deniers'?
Jeff PetsingerNovember 18, 2014 8:18 pm
"The case was heard, examined, and overwhemingly dismissed"... They investigated themselves and declared themselves to be honest. The number of propaganda pieces on the internet have doubled and tripled, basically following the old strategy of tell a lie long enough and it will become the truth. Meanwhile, I am worrying my chickens are freezing to death in our chicken coop due to almost record setting cold. I know a cold spell doesn't mean anything, but the evidence I see outside my window for the last 10 years has been that of global cooling, not warming.
ECDadNovember 18, 2014 8:09 pm
and in the truest PR move, we quickly saw the term "Global Warming" dropped in favor of the more amorphous "climate change" moniker.
mikeNovember 18, 2014 8:09 pm
But of course, the author's funding depends on a continued belief in an apocalyptic climate change model
Rocketman21November 18, 2014 8:04 pm
Total BS. Read the book "Dark Winter" In Dark Winter," scientist John L. Casey, a former White House national space policy advisor, NASA headquarters consultant, and space shuttle engineer tells the truth about ominous changes taking place in the climate and the Sun', and it has nothing to do with global warming or CO2
moonwatcher2001November 18, 2014 8:02 pm
Don't forget about Climategate 2.0 in 2011. It was just about or even more damning than the first one, because the emails were more political in nature, about getting a preconceived, pleasing result, and directly suppressing conclusions counter to the warming narrative. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/
g_sorosNovember 18, 2014 8:02 pm
it is an interesting proposition that Climategate produced a winner. It did show an unbelievable collusion on the part of what at that time were thought of as impartial researchers. Researchers hide data that didn't support their conclusions and prevented release of opposing research. These malfeasances have led to reexamination of politically influenced science and questioning of the prevailing solution which is apparently a tax by carbon credits. Carbon credits have the huge downside of making all products and services needlessly more expensive while doing little to prevent the perceived problem.
ike1363November 18, 2014 7:56 pm
Climategate was not the war, but a battle and the climate scientists definitely lost. Obfuscate all you want, but the fact is AGCC has dropped significantly in much of the global public eye is proof of this, however, one thing to note is not only is climategate a reason, but the fact that temperatures aren't cooperating as they should be. Predictions aren't coming to fruition and in the US outside of the drought in the Southwest, which is by no means abnormal, the claims of extreme weather have fallen flat. 9 years without a major (cat 3+) hurricane landfall is a record that is around 100 years old, declining or stagnant trends in tornadoes, forest fires, etc all point in the opposite direction from their extreme weather claims. Rainfall studies show CC has changed them, however, I haven't done a lot of looking into it and floods are just as much an indicator of land-use changes as they are increased rainfall. If anything the only thing abnormal is how early the cold came and how long it's staying. Last night saw every state in the US have below freezing temperatures. That's not continental, that's all, including Hawaii. Supposedly it happens at least a couple times each year, but only when we're deep in winter. Either way, it's not the war isn't over, but I have an inkling that it's not going well for climatologists, at least those of the global warming bunch. Those warning of Global Cooling for the next 20-30 years may be closer to the truth, but only time will tell.
JSNovember 18, 2014 7:34 pm
Seriously--and just watch Liberals trying to say that just because 2014 is going to prove to be the warmest year ever recorded, and that all ten of the warmest years in history (since records began in the 1880's) have happened since 1998, and that there hasn't been a month since 1985 cooler than the 20th century average for that month--a streak of over 350 consecutive warmer than average months--that global warming is happening. Stupid liberals trying to use scientific evidence to prove climate change is real.
Randy RobertsonNovember 18, 2014 7:31 pm
What didn't happen in the past five years is any significant increase in global temperatures. Remember Al Gore's and others predictions that the ice caps would be gone by now. That was 20 years ago.The longer time goes on the less faith people will have in any models predictions which have been horrible to date. Chicken little is only believable when something happens and it hasn't.
Gregory J. HaggardNovember 18, 2014 7:26 pm
Could the author get any more biased? Do you not realize how ridiculous you look?
PygmalionNovember 18, 2014 7:21 pm
Wow - sure sounds like a finance summit. I guess "green" is showing its true green!!
uglymugagencyNovember 18, 2014 7:16 pm
Geesuz H Kee-rist when will the knuckleheads who doubt global warming take the time to actually read anything about the science behind it?!?! Instead folks are dumb enough to believe in the propagandistic BS being spread by oil companies and those who profit immensely from people being kept in the dark about this issue. Look, it's called Global Warming because it's being measured on a geological time frame, not a human based time scale. The science has proven, not theorized, not guessed, but proven, that due to man's activity on Earth we are raising the average mean temperature of the planet between 2-5 degrees celsius. And that's being conservative in the measurements. I've read some of the models have predicted a swing of 10-15 degrees. Furthermore, this raising of world temperature by just a few degrees effects a vast array of things that we rely on to exist on this planet. First there's the ocean thermohaline currents(called the “great ocean conveyor belt”) that controls regional climates around the world by effecting the Jet Streams. Wonder why you are getting droughts in the southwest and Polar vortexes in the northeast? Look at the change in the ocean temps that have slowed the thermohaline currents and thereby altered the jet streams which can either pull moisture bringing storms into the southwest or freezing polar temperatures down upon the northeast. And what else happens if you effect the jet streams so much that you have extended droughts? That’s right you effect world food production adversely. Look it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to make the connections but one does have to take the time to actually READ the science behind global climate change. One also has to realize that we are effecting this planet on a geological time frame. What we are doing (or not doing) to stop man’s detrimental effect on the world will take thousands of years to reverse if ever. That’s why we’ve been warned that man made global climate change is the next major extinction event. And from what we have learned from past extinction events, they don’t happen suddenly. The occur in geological time scales long enough for the planet’s creatures to not notice them but short enough for the planet’s creatures to not adapt to these changing events. In our present state of bickering over idiotic corporate propaganda, it looks like humans will be joining a long list of creatures that are doomed by their lack of foresight and evolution.
BillNovember 18, 2014 7:14 pm
Mother nature and truth won. It's friggin cold out.
SteveNovember 18, 2014 7:11 pm
Whether the temperature is changing is only half the question. Why the temperature is changing (or not) is the other half of the question. The Earth gets most of its heat from the sun, which is not a constant emitter. I'm all for clean air and water, but I am not for dismantling our economy to fix a problem that may well be caused by the sun as much (or more) than carbon dioxide
Ed FergusonNovember 18, 2014 7:08 pm
Paid by the word?
RandyNovember 18, 2014 7:03 pm
The better question is to go back 5 years and look at the predictions being made then by radical climate "scientists". How did they do? How effective are the models on which they base their draconian demands? I think we all know the answer.
ACNovember 18, 2014 6:54 pm
Feel free to update that with the context of each quote.
starmannateNovember 18, 2014 6:53 pm
After 18 years of no warming, falsified data, selective data omission, email scandals, 100% model failure it is pretty clear: 1. Climate change is real. (Always has been) 2. Man made (AGW) is a scam/junk science about politics and money only.
WarrenNovember 18, 2014 6:53 pm
And why should we listen to you, a non scientist, vs the 10s of thousands of peer reviewed papers concluding Man is causing Earth to Warm?
ACNovember 18, 2014 6:53 pm
...apart from the fact that they have gone up.
GuyBBNovember 18, 2014 6:52 pm
Still, the fact is, all the climate models predict that temperatures must rise exponentially in lockstep with atmospheric CO2. There is no sign of the sort of accelerating rate of temperature rise that MUST be a part of any exponential behavior. The models grow more and more out of range, as the deviation between the expected and predicted temperature and sea level exponential behavior, and their actual linear behavior. Maybe that is why they are so desperate for action? They can not maintain the fraud too much longer, so they need to strike, while the money is still on the table.
WarrenNovember 18, 2014 6:49 pm
Your claim is completely false. The earth has warmed 1.5f since 1880, and still warming. Go to NASA.gov if you don't have the data.
Sean ThortonNovember 18, 2014 6:36 pm
Biggest Ice storm in my life in North Carolina last winter. I'm 63 yrs. old. When I was in High school they were calling for another ice age. I would believe that before I would global warming.
BillNovember 18, 2014 6:35 pm
The only people who do not accept the science of climate change are the people who are making money off of pollution an the people who post on blogs for them. For every one else it's settled.
slycatNovember 18, 2014 6:34 pm
We known what happened.. don't need your silly, non-sense spin.
slycatNovember 18, 2014 6:33 pm
False. Ignore this post.
DCNovember 18, 2014 6:31 pm
Latimer, you do know that those "pesky thermometers" do not have to go up every in order for AGW to be occurring, right? You do know that over the last 150 years we have had two periods of about 30 years where temperatures actually decreased, only to be followed by a sharp increase that brought about a new high, right? You do realize that there are non-human influences to climate as well that may temporarily slow down, reverse, or even speed up the long-term global warming trend, right? It appears you do not, yet you still make the effort to post about things you do not understand. Perhaps you should ask yourself why that its?
bwbw123November 18, 2014 6:31 pm
The carbon funded astro turf propaganda campaigns like right wing talk hosts are about to go into overdrive to deny reality of global warming and the massive harms of carbon burning and carbon over use. Still, the more people know about the issue the more they know the worst players are criminals in many ways and need jail time more than than the Enron players knowing they had a scam going and while divesting themselves insisted the employees keep plowing their earnings into the stock. Today we are all employees of carbon and braking the addiction begins by admitting it.
ecokenNovember 18, 2014 4:01 pm
But the Ice is still melting, Leo, even if the temperature hasn't risen (which is doubtful)! Doesn't that tell you something? Shame you don't take after your name!
NicholBNovember 18, 2014 2:43 pm
It is a bit strange how little this interview was about what that money should be spent on, and what the governance structure should be. Who decides what it is spent on, and who checks that it is successful at what it is supposed to do? Just giving the money to the elites of poor countries is not always the way to get it distributed fairly and effectively. I'd hope these funds will be used to help developing countries 'leapfrog' towards a clean energy future based on renewables. Skipping the fossil fuel stage as much as possible. And helping with appropriate agricultural changes, saving forests, planting more trees, to be more resilient against future climate change.
Latimer AlderNovember 18, 2014 2:37 pm
'But neither ClimateGate nor anything that’s happened since has cast the essential picture of a warming world into doubt'.... .....apart from those pesky actual thermometers stubbornly refusing to go up.
Paul MatthewsNovember 18, 2014 2:32 pm
What a nice fairy story. I particularly enjoyed the bit about climate science emerging "wreathed in garlands"! In fact Fred Pearce described climategate as "a public relations disaster" and even George Monbiot called for Phil Jones to resign. Anyone interested in what really happened can look at my blog.
Nick NuttallNovember 17, 2014 4:58 pm
We read with interest your story about Brazil and the world cup and offsetting (14 November 2014. We believe the Brazilian government should be applauded, not criticized, for its efforts to measure and offset part of the emissions from the World Cup. We also note that the article did not capture the entire effort: for example FIFA also had a complementary offsetting programme, addressing other emissions from the event. On the subject of offsetting, the Clean Development Mechanism of the Kyoto Protocol has generated an incentive for billions of dollars in investment in projects that reduce emissions and contribute to wellbeing in developing countries. Have a look, for example, at how carbon finance has fueled investment in clean cookstoves. http://newsroom.unfccc.int/financial-flows/carbon-finance-fueling-shift-to-clean-cookstoves/ Offsetting is part of the range of options that have been established to combat climate change and in doing so assist towards sustainable development--it is not the whole answer of course. Countries are allowed to use offsets to cover only a part of their obligations. Likewise, when companies and individuals choose to take action on climate change, offsets are only part of the solution. Measure your emissions, reduce what you can, and offset what you can’t: that is our motto. We hope that you can look again at offseting and its role in carbon markets and we would encourage more event organizers like the 2014 FIFA World Cup to pursue this option as one way of assisting to reduce emissions and build public awareness and support for climate action. Nick Nuttall, Spokesperson UNFCCC
Ben AtkinsonNovember 17, 2014 11:10 am
This article misrepresents the CDM and negates it's massive positive impact - billions of dollars and thousands of professionals to climate projects. The cancellation of CERs provides support to a market that is suffering not through the fault of the mechanism but through a lack of climate ambition. New market mechanisms will build on the experience of the CDM and will face many similar issues. This is a negative article and does little to further progress on policies to combat climate change.
Boyd ReddingNovember 17, 2014 11:01 am
The word "Superstorm" was conjured up for 2012's Tropical Storm Sandy because it was not even at hurricane strength when it made landfall.
Peter SimsNovember 16, 2014 5:19 pm
What exactly has "Sunshot Initiative" done to reduce cost of solar cells? I can not find anything on internet, besides propaganda. Solar cell and related necessary equipment to install has dropped due to low manufactuing cost in China. With these gains, global warming will be greatly reduced.
BRSNovember 16, 2014 3:35 pm
Gotta love the GOP right wing. Let's get this straight...so 97 doctors say you have a brain tumor that you need to address and soon. Three other doctors say ignore it and it will go away. You say....ignore it. Pure genius! Unfortunately some of these "don't know the science" republicans head committees. So lets hear it for the climate change hoax, voodoo stem cell research, and trickle down economics.
John KennerNovember 16, 2014 11:14 am
Obama is the problem. It's that simple, really.
Bob BinghamNovember 16, 2014 8:18 am
The Abbott government has a lot to learn about the world and international politics. They looked like a crowd of country bumpkins and right out of their depth. Australians already know that they have elected the lunatic fringe but this performance was cringeworthy.
PatrickInBeijingNovember 16, 2014 5:35 am
All of the denier arguments have been answered by science, with the information posted on various scientific web sites (as opposed to oil company shill web sites). But they continue to recycle the old arguments again and again. My favorite for politicians is the "I am not a scientist" argument. The rest of you deniers should just say "I'm with stupid" and let it go at that.
Science OfficerNovember 16, 2014 1:17 am
Or just maybe, Americans aren't buying what the global warming trolls are saying any longer.....
disqus_hNXvhwdNeINovember 16, 2014 1:03 am
Allison and Victoria, what did Steyer and Soros expect to buy this election?
ramaraksha01 .November 15, 2014 11:10 pm
Of course the west wants to talk about total emissions instead of per-capita emissions - that's totally unfair to countries like India with large populations. Here in the US a family of five has 5 cars, run their air-conditioning full blast throughout the day in their big suburban house and point the finger at Indian families who want to buy a family car or an air-conditioner for their living room. As for the large population, Indians and Chinese didn't go around the world killing off natives and occupying their lands - we stayed put. India should definitely raise the point of per-capita emissions
Carole BradshawNovember 15, 2014 5:51 pm
In many ways, today's liberalism is a hostile foreign religion.
john horttenNovember 15, 2014 3:28 am
For the first time in my life, I have to all the good people to pray for God intervention to save our great planet. There are too many evil people will be running this country to even think about saving god this earth. But profit overweighs the love of god planet earth. The only planet that mankind knows. Ignoring all the warning he has given us .lord please have mercy on our souls!
DesiNovember 14, 2014 10:39 pm
This Ramesh dude wants to look important in the eyes of the West and the UN, maybe he is vying for the next UN General Secretary, who knows but for sure he has no interest in India's development or interest he must have been Environment Minister under congress whose interest lies beyond the Indian borders.
kNovember 14, 2014 9:54 pm
Obama has no business at all negotiating foreign treaties and global warming deals with China or any other country. His agenda is clearly not in the best interest of Americans, so shut him down. Global warming has scientifically been proven false, unless you talk to Al Gore who profited handsomely from the lie or some other elitist commie intent on controlling everything. America needs to become energy independent and let the middle east, south America and other producers do as they will. Also, need to cut-off Obama's gifts to other countries for their development of oil resources.
Mikal GastpipeNovember 14, 2014 9:23 pm
If THIS HOAX passes somehow, the $8500/year drop in the AVERAGE MIDDLE CLASS household will crater to better than $10000/year. The 46 plus million on food stamps will spike to 60 million, the poverty rate will spike, energy prices double, the basics will spike in cost...in short it just will NOT be fun for a WHOLE bunch of people, liberal AND conservative middle classers! But it WILL, on the other hand, make a whole NEW class of liberal REGRESSIVE, Democratic multi-BILLIONAIRES, so all is not lost after all!
GuyBBNovember 14, 2014 8:52 pm
That's right! There is a terrible, oppressive campaign of misinformation propaganda going on. Unfortunately, the spending and financing of the Conservatives in opposition to the climate change sky is falling campaign are positively dwarfed by the amount the US Federal Government is spending.
B662November 14, 2014 8:48 pm
More fracking , more drilling more oil and more natural gas, yes! Strip the funding for the fictional science known as climate change and give it to the needy and homeless. Let these profs go out into the real world and make a living rather than suck off the taxpayer teet!
BorkNovember 14, 2014 8:47 pm
I'm not a scientist...but I've (bought or brought?) a few to testify for me today.
KrisNovember 14, 2014 11:14 am
In terms of audience numbers, Years of living dangerously was a gigantic flop. Despite its big production budget and big names, with only around 0.05% of the US market per episode (around 50000 households), it's safe to say that it didn't reach beyond the converted. Even the 650,000 views for the first episode on youtube are not that great, given that it can be watched anywhere in the world. Could that be because it tried to play to the wrong emotions? I think you are mistaken to assume that 2071 is another "information-gap" exercise: if you read all the reviews, in its unassuming form it stirs up a lot of emotions (reviews range from rapturous over sobering to angry).
Science OfficerNovember 14, 2014 3:44 am
The current EPA rules in the US are expected to cost 2 1/2 million jobs and 50 billion dollars a year for the next 30 years to implement. The overall effect, if fully implemented. Total global warming by the year 2100 will be lesser by a whopping 0.036 degrees Fahrenheit.
Marine Core SoldierNovember 13, 2014 9:49 pm
Nobody cares because 0bama's policies will be trashed the moment he is gone. Hopefully that is soon.
Robin_GuenierNovember 13, 2014 7:55 pm
Describing China's position as a 'major step' that sends 'a powerful signal' is wholly misleading. Here's what the joint announcement said: ‘China intends to achieve the peaking of CO2 emissions around 2030’. A few points: (1) an intention is not the same as a commitment; (2) a peak is not the same as a cut (having reached that peak, China would be free to stay at that level into the foreseeable future);** (3) 2030 is 16 years away, a very long time – just consider how China (responsible for 29% of global emissions and with per capita emissions in excess of the EU’s) has massively increased its emissions over the last 16 years;*** and (4) even the date (‘around 2030’) is vague. A 'very significant political development'? I don't think so. This vague long-term announcement completely undermines all those calls for drastic cuts now. For example, only a year ago Greenpeace insisted that the 2015 Paris agreement ‘must deliver … A Protocol under which all countries take on binding emission reduction commitments'.**** This US/China deal makes that completely impossible. ** http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/15/china-clarifies-its-plans-on-setting-a-co2-emissions-peak/?comments&_r=0 *** http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2013/07/global-co2-emissions-increases-dwarf-recent-u-s-reductions/ **** http://www.greenpeace.org/international/Global/international/briefings/climate/COP19/Greenpeace-Road-to-Paris.pdf
Lt. WolfeNovember 13, 2014 7:03 pm
Let's at least be honest about the problem: It's Obama.
Graham ThompsonNovember 13, 2014 5:57 pm
I reply - The electric car was invented over a hundred years ago. Don't just make stuff up - someone might believe you. And you reply?
junkyardnutNovember 13, 2014 4:54 pm
The poor people of Third World are looking at American tourists browsing by and wondering when they will finally have their washing machines, refrigerators and cooking stove/oven at last....
junkyardnutNovember 13, 2014 4:49 pm
I can imagine that those youth kids mingle with poor in smoke filled bazaars in the Third World. They are too young to be bothered by firewood smoke. Wait until they get older....
junkyardnutNovember 13, 2014 4:42 pm
Billions of poor people still gathers firewood and cowdung as fuel for cooking and heating and ..."coughing" then die so young from smoke inhalation. Americans spent trillions on medicine to help extend their "thriving health" on smoke inhalation all the same!
MoreBSNovember 13, 2014 4:38 pm
Coal needs to continue to be part of the discussion in the future.
Plains_EdgeNovember 13, 2014 3:57 pm
Your reaction is reminiscent of another incident lately. The Jefferson County School Board in a suburb of Denver has been taken over by a conservative majority which is now proposing to change the curriculum for AP history so as to eliminate references to historical criticisms and social movements in American society in order to focus the course on patriotism and respect for authority. The students of Jeffco were not pleased with this and shut the schools down for a week or so in protest. One of the conservative Board members made the statement that the students were being used as pawns of the teachers and that the students had little understanding of the issue. The students responded eloquently and forcefully that this was a patronizing load of bull. Students are perfectly able to think for themselves, it turns out. As, I'm sure, is Ms. Tsultrim, given this heartfelt letter.. As for 'privileged elites using scaremonger tactics', I thought for a minute you were talking about oil company executives, who certainly make up the most privileged elite in the world. Conservatives have mastered the art of projection.
Askgerbil NowNovember 13, 2014 1:47 pm
The amount of gas flared in Nigeria by fossil-fuel corporations equals what would be needed to power all of sub-Saharan Africa. Coal will not solve energy poverty any more than this natural gas being destroyed for reasons based in greed, not the pursuit of economic and social advancement. See "Gas flares, blackouts and the paradox of Nigeria’s energy problems".
mike flanaganNovember 13, 2014 8:22 am
If the we frame the Admiral's point in the insurrection or violence of the migrants, you are probably right Mr Randall. In understanding this report we should also take into consideration the possible violent reaction of the local and indigenous populations to the influx of refugee peoples, and the local's perception of inordinate demands and impacts on their comfortable social orders and ample resources, as we unfortunately witness in current policy and social trends around the world in relation to displaced persons and refugees.
goldminorNovember 13, 2014 7:10 am
Derek basically says "" 10 years ago there wasn't an electric car on the market"". And you reply?
SkepticNovember 13, 2014 5:21 am
That coal is good is worth debating but to say that it's expensive is ridiculous.
FredNovember 13, 2014 4:20 am
WOW! These people just love bashing the coal industry even though none of them know a damn thing about it other then what they read in the liberal news papers or listen to on the liberal media! They have no damn clue whatsoever how this country could not survive on all that expensive green energy that is all paid for by government subsidies ! The media never tells you the real truth about the coal industry and how many jobs it creates, how many business thrive on the coal industry. Yet coal gets the bad rap for all the CO2 in the air. Really??? You think that coal is the only thing out there putting CO2 in the air? How about the active volcanoes, all the cars and trucks running in this country? Lets knot forget all those farting cows too! Once they get rid of coal, what's next? Your car? If you let them fool you now, they will keep taking from you until you end up living in a cardboard box!!!
jt95124November 13, 2014 1:31 am
I will be watching to see the denier reactions as they react to other posts they might label "libtard". I will list as many as I can think of to save you the trouble: 1. She hopes to get rich off grant money or a career as a global spokesperson, etc. 2. She is jealous of western wealth and success and wants to wreck it 3. She and her countrymen are mistaken in their evaluation of the impacts, for instance the water isn't rising, the island is sinking 4. She is mistaking weather for climate, their observation of the changes over decades are just the slow unpredictable drift of chance, the trends are just a coincidence 5. Man does not have the power to change such big things, only God can. 6. Scientists have hoodwinked her and they are using her. The only one that is possibly valid is: 7. It isn't entirely man made, perhaps man's contribution is small. It's not, it is fast forcing. The people who are now retreating to 7 are the same ones that used to advocate 1 through 6, and they are just as wrong. These are the same people that think scientists are stupid or greedy liars with no integrity. I think they have mistaken them for MBAs,
Cy NoutNovember 13, 2014 12:42 am
Obama doesn't seem capable of anything other than repeating simple slogans.
devbahadurdongol.blogspot.comNovember 13, 2014 12:36 am
Dear Sonam Tsultrim, Here is the solution. To lower sea level we have to send back water to places where it came from - in and on land, mountains poles as snow. For that we need to revive regular rain cycle as used to be before urbanization, deforestation and deserts formation. Only way to achieve this is by keeping land surface of earth always moist as used to be before urbanization, for this before draining water to sea the whole world must develop water supply networks so that we can keep every inch of land surface always moist. best wishes from DEV
Tom ServoNovember 12, 2014 11:35 pm
No, this is a matter of privileged elites using scaremongering tactics to frighten innocent little girls out of their wits, just so they can profit from it.
SmitovskyNovember 12, 2014 9:34 pm
"The UN is currently preparing a website which will allow countries to submit their contributions electronically" Hohohahahee...what a bunch of clowns! I can just see all these money-hungry countries going to the UN ATM and using their new windfalls to install solar panels and buy fluorescent bulbs. If I were one of them, I'd urge all the contributors to "burn, baby burn"! Who do these people think they're kidding?? Talk about wealth redistribution...if this doesn't expose the scheme, nothing will.
NickNovember 12, 2014 8:30 pm
Thank goodness we're starting to see some action on AGW. If we had done what President Bush had said and voluntarily cut back carbon emissions years ago, we wouldn't be faced with such a crisis. "...the US is targeting a 26-28% emissions cut from 2005 levels by 2025...." This is very do-able. We could just cut what we waste, and we'd be beyond 28%.
George KatoNovember 12, 2014 7:35 pm
Few people realize that - by the geologic definition - the Earth is presently in an ice age that began 2.6 million years ago.
DMNNovember 12, 2014 7:33 pm
I think UN is going delusional now if they think they pull this one off.
Claudius TemplesmithNovember 12, 2014 7:10 pm
Arctic ice was up 67% in 2013, from 2012 and the West Antarctic Ice Streams that feed the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica have also thickened recently.
Science OfficerNovember 12, 2014 5:51 pm
It's going to be hard to deliver on anything which will require funding from Congress. You can't issue an Executive Order for that Mr. President.
Science OfficerNovember 12, 2014 5:49 pm
Only two little problems with this argument; there are now more polar bears, and there's also more ice. We should be worried....... because?
Gordon GekkoNovember 12, 2014 5:48 pm
I'm starting to think that Obama's delusions are dangerous.
Science OfficerNovember 12, 2014 5:46 pm
Finally, a chance for a voice of reason from Congress. Yes, cancel all funding to the UN IPCC and ensure no funds are appropriated for the income redistribution scheme, UN Green Fund. It's time to start funding some real science and research about the natural world.
Born_n_TejasNovember 12, 2014 5:30 pm
U.S. didn't agree to nothing, King Obo may have but the U.S. hasn't.
devbahadurdongol.blogspot.comNovember 12, 2014 4:45 pm
Why are people talking only about consequences and effects of climate changes instead of solution to climate change? IPCC is misleading the people by accusing gases for CC. I am not CC denier. I defy GHG idea. First prove gases cause global warming. Can you? GH gas idea is ridiculous, imaginary, false, spurious, hoax and so on. Gases can't form green house. So, green house effect due to gases is impossible. They are actually helping the earth to cool down by convection method of heat transmission. Gases have freely moving molecules, so you can't fix any fluid to make a structure. CAN YOU?? Shame on you IPCC / NASA !!!! Only purpose of the Quito protocol (only a propaganda or misinformation, jargon, cant, hoax and so on.) is for monopolizing the industry by the developed rich countries – saying indirectly to the poorer countries to stop industrialization; and, instead they would support the developing world by donations. Let us first have water for everybody and everywhere by developing water supply networks. No dry part on the land surface of the earth! Nature will take care of the rest. We are expanding more and more dry land surface by urbanization, deforestation and deserts formation causing climate change. Moisture content on the land surface of the earth controls the temperature and rain cycle. The more the land surface is moist, the cooler is the earth's surface and atmosphere and more rain cycle. We all know that.
Science OfficerNovember 12, 2014 3:55 pm
The Romans cultivated vineyards in Britain two millennia ago. Did you ever wonder how they were able to do that, under colder conditions then we have today? Those Romans must have been really smart. Either that, or perhaps their climate was really warmer than we're willing to admit. Conditions they thrived under, the UN now predicts will cause the collapse of our civilization.
tom timberNovember 12, 2014 3:31 pm
Great deal Barry. US to start cutting now. China to continue its increase with no restraint for another 16 years, then, maybe, hold steady at it's new "peak" output.
tom timberNovember 12, 2014 3:29 pm
And... treaties have to pass the Senate before they mean anything. Good luck with that, Barry.
Jim CorcoranNovember 12, 2014 2:22 pm
This should be a no brainer. It should please the left and the right. Save taxpayer's money AND defund climate change and environmental destruction by ending the enormous subsidies and tax breaks for animal agriculture! With 60+ BILLION food animals on the planet our best chance to mitigate climate change is to severely reduce consumption of animal foods. More than 1/3 of human induced warming is attributable to animal agriculture. Methane is 24 times more potent than CO2 but takes only 7 years to cycle out of the atmosphere. CO2 takes around 100 years to come out. Human pursuit of animal protein is the leading cause of methane release and a primary cause of CO2 concentrating in the atmosphere. Check the facts and act! "As environmental science has advanced, it has become apparent that the human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future: deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities, and the spread of disease." Worldwatch Institute, "Is Meat Sustainable?" “If every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetables and grains... the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than half a million cars off of U.S. roads.” Environmental Defense Fund "A 1% reduction in world-wide meat intake has the same benefit as a three trillion-dollar investment in solar energy." ~ Chris Mentzel, CEO of Clean Energy
JaneNovember 12, 2014 2:08 pm
The magnetic poles are shifting and its causing all this havoc with the weather and the earths tectonic plates.
JaneNovember 12, 2014 2:07 pm
I think it is safe to say that nobody really knows what the hell is going on. There are accurately drawn maps from the 1500's that show the Antarctic as a jungle. People were still living and surviving or we wouldn't have the maps. What is happening right now is the magnetic poles are getting ready to flip and it has everything all jacked up.
Robin_GuenierNovember 12, 2014 12:00 pm
A few things to note about China's 'historic' pledge: 1. A 'peak' is not the same thing as a 'cut' - see this: http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/15/china-clarifies-its-plans-on-setting-a-co2-emissions-peak/?comments#permid=12289403 So, having reached that peak, China would be free to continue its massive emissions into the foreseeable future. 2. In any case, it's not effective until 2030. That's 15 years from today - China (responsible for 29% of global emissions) has increased its emissions massively over the last 15 years: http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2013/07/global-co2-emissions-increases-dwarf-recent-u-s-reductions/ 3, And even the 2030 is vague: 'China aims to peak emissions around 2030' - i.e. there was no commitment made. So why are commentators getting so excited by a vague, long-term pledge that in reality undermines all those calls for drastic cuts now?
Amir H. DeljuNovember 12, 2014 11:54 am
This is a good argument. The reality is that the 'conflict', its intensity and duration is dependent on local climatic impact, geographical location, socio-economic context and cultural issues. The best approach is empirical study to draw the facts.
tmalthus2010November 12, 2014 3:55 am
So NEXT year is critical now? And then the next year, and the next, and the next, just like the panic mongers have been saying for over 20 years now. Yet the planet's still here, and temperatures are the same as they were in 1996.
mbee1November 11, 2014 8:40 pm
Try NASA
mbee1November 11, 2014 8:39 pm
Steve, that is your problem, you are a believer. The world is not getting hotter for at least the last 16 years, it is still colder than in 900-1000 AD when the Viking settled Greenland which was greener. Man is not warming the world as there is no evidence of that from the ice core studies on CO2 levels and climate change. the world is simply coming out of the little ice age and has been for 400 some years. Two things change climate, solar gain and changes in earth tilt and orbit, neither of which man can change. Solar gain correlates with the last 800 years of climate change, earths orbit changes predict 25000 years of a warmer earth. Since the antarctica and arctic are both gaining ice, the US temperature is on a downward trend since 1998, the hottest year since 1895 was 1936, it may in fact be getting colder which may or may not last as we had a similar downward trend from 1880 to 1912..
mbee1November 11, 2014 8:29 pm
So rather than look at the evidence you just go with the flow. NASA has measured the antarctica ice, it is growing, 6 percent this year, the land based claim is a lie. About 20 percent of antarctic ice is in the western half, Most of that is resting on the ocean bottom as it is a mile or more thick. Some of that is melting and the cause turns out to be undersea volcanic action per a recent paper. So your whole fact set is simply wrong. NASA says the oceans are not warming, RSS data shows this year is not the hottest since satellite measurements, the NOAA temperature data shows a slight decrease in temperature since 1998. On weather the interinsurance bureau latest report shows claims down two years running below average. Your facts are simply wrong, why not admit that AGW is a fraud and always has been as the IPCC model simply does not work. Climate changes, it has not changed for at least 16 years and maybe as long as 55 years since the Troposphere has shown no trend in that length of time.
TruGhost OfBoNovember 11, 2014 8:29 pm
No money to any UN Green Fund. No money for UNIPCC. In fact stop all money going to the UN. Time for them to leave NYC. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out fella's
Pierre LaPlanteNovember 11, 2014 8:12 pm
Surely, by now, the UN knows Obama and US Liberals, in general, are all mouth.
Engineer66November 11, 2014 7:46 pm
As a taxpaying US Citizen, HELL NO!!! I do not want my tax dollars funding this group...period.
Russell CookNovember 11, 2014 6:21 pm
Dismissing an entire science-based consideration of the issue via accusations that skeptic climate scientists are paid to lie is not only anti-science, it is anti-intellectual, as is the categorization of individuals who cite skeptics' material as ignorant, considering the sheer ignorance AGWers display over their lack of knowledge of the skeptic side.
dan wipperNovember 11, 2014 1:53 pm
Ice is increasing, its getting colder, don't you idiots think we can feel it? Change the word warming to climate change, so you think we are idiots? Stop the money wasted funding this crap.
Brian JacobsNovember 11, 2014 12:25 pm
Climate change has existed on and off for millennia. Have humans contributed? Almost certainly. Can any reduction in fossil fuels help? I very much doubt because there is a far bigger issue. The fact is that the world population has increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 3 billion in 1960 and 7 billion by 2012; it is projected to increase further by at least 50% to be about 10-11 billion by 2050 . That growth alone will have a substantial impact on worldwide climate change. More electricity will be demanded as well as more gas, more water, more food. Most certainly there will be a greater demand for transport in its many forms all of which use fossil fuels. Of course in time hydrogen cells and nuclear fusion may come to our rescue. For certain there will be many arguing against anything nuclear just as there are many arguing against fossil fuels but that is life and may be considered an indictment against society. Peoples of the UK must also recognise that we do not even account for one little percent of the world population. As a country we can support attempts to reduce climate change but not too the detriment of our peoples and our industry because that would be insanity, and effectively a suicidal course. We cannot lead because of our minority status. We can offer a voice but that is it.
Alex RandallNovember 11, 2014 10:46 am
While he might have a point about some of the security risks - he is way of the mark linking migration to violent conflict. There is little evidence for migrants creating armed violence. And it's a narrative that blames some of the most vulnerable people for creating a security risk.
Water DudeNovember 11, 2014 9:58 am
More than 600,000 bats were killed by wind turbines in 2012 - a serious blow to creatures which pollinate crops and help control mosquitoes.
Sarah Chen LinNovember 11, 2014 9:18 am
Many orgs flew from all over the world. And apparently the Venezuelan government funded everything.
Sarah Chen LinNovember 11, 2014 9:17 am
I hope this was sarcasm.
alvin691November 11, 2014 5:14 am
Umm, not shrinking. It's within average parameters.
ValewoodNovember 11, 2014 3:34 am
And yet polar bear populations have been growing steadily over the past few decades with some areas (like Davis Strait) declaring that they are at 'carrying capacity'. The fraud of global warming just doesn't stop no matter how much their fear mongering rhetoric is not believed by the majority.
Graham ThompsonNovember 11, 2014 12:13 am
The electric car was invented over a hundred years ago. Don't just make stuff up - someone might believe you.
mike flanaganNovember 10, 2014 11:46 pm
While Morisetti, Hagel and others have been warning for some years of the potential for climate changes to initiate and drive social and inter government conflict much of the evidence is already available today. The Middle East conflict can find its genesis in water deprivation. Syrian sub terrain water supplies have been vastly depleted over recent years and weather patterns have not recharged their basins, creating pressure on grain production, a food staple. ISIL military strategies are centred around the control of Tigris and Euphrates riverine basins and denying access to the water supplies. Turkey has a major financial infrastructure program to dam and control the head waters of both these rivers. Much of Pakistani social and economic instability that feeds the Taliban insurrection is driven by impacts of floods on their agricultural sector. We are yet to see the influence of the drying of major fresh water supplies in dams and sub terrain basins in the central Asian regions that are becoming evident on a daily basis. Both India and China face massive redesign of their traditional fresh water's natural storages, which are already impacting on large populations and are inevitable destabilising whole areas of significance. Australia, America and Africa are being currently impacted by drought conditions on the food bowels and the continuing inability to predict past reliable weather patterns will have damaging impacts on the world's wheat supplies. The Mekong delta's fight to overcome salt from encroaching ocean waters, from rising oceans, in their estuaries will be devastating to another staple food, rice. Food insecurity is a basic driver of social instability and international conflict. Yes we are already being presented with examples of the chaos and catastrophic impacts of unaddressed Climate Change presents us. And without prompt and significant efforts we offer a dire future to ourselves and our children
Jamie ThomsonNovember 10, 2014 9:48 pm
actually, we deal with uncertainty all the time...it drives, in fact, sample size. I am not sure where you get this 2% number...given the complexity of the systems, most models have been 100% correct in predicting the trends...certainly they have had difficulty qualifying the exact temperatures, but that isn't the purpose of the models. Furthermore, confidence intervals of the predictions have all gotten narrower and more accurate with time, with no deviation from thermodynamic trends of the original models.
Todd NelsonNovember 10, 2014 8:25 pm
SInce the UN IPCC has admitted there has been NO global temperature rise in over 18 years, there is nothing for man to have disrupted. There cannot be manmade global warming since there is no global warming at all. There are many other REAL pollutants both in our waters and in the air that have been neglected because all the money is in "climate change". Just ask Al Gore how many hundreds of millions of dollars he has made promoting this fraud.
RichardNovember 10, 2014 8:12 pm
America has received the wake up call because this garbage doesn't even appear in the top 15 things they are concerned about. Moreover, the UN is the most useless gathering of self indulgent people who want little more than your money for their agendas.
SayWhatNovember 10, 2014 7:05 pm
Don't bother, comments are censored
[email protected]November 10, 2014 7:04 pm
Wow Bill is so Good.Take heed Warmers if you believe what you Preach ya better start looking for higher ground cause if she is warming you are not going to be able to do anything about it.We haven't caused it and we as a people cannot fix it.
ConcernedChemistNovember 10, 2014 6:56 pm
This is just like religion - they see an effect and absolutely believe one side 100% without question. Blind faith always ratchets up to force in the end.
mydogmoeNovember 10, 2014 6:49 pm
Roll over and go back to sleep Bill...
Bite MeNovember 10, 2014 6:39 pm
Bill Clinton is still looking for his stock in the carbon exchange to rise. He is still suckering idiots around the world on the biggest lie in world history.
MydogrulesNovember 10, 2014 6:30 pm
The environmental whackos should all be rounded up and dumped off in the middle of Siberia so they can enjoy first hand the type of world they are trying to inflict on the rest of us.
JohnNovember 10, 2014 6:08 pm
The IPCC is NOT a scientific organization. It is a political organization. The railroad engineer chairman was quoted as saying, "We do what the governments of the world want us to do." Look at the Non-intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Much better scientific information.
BillhookNovember 10, 2014 6:04 pm
The IPCC is strictly correct in saying that we have to reduce GHG outputs to zero by 2100, but it fails to correlate this with the very limited remaining GHG budget that must be respected to have any chance of staying below the 2.0C threshold of globally damaging warming. At present we are on course to exhaust that budget during the 2030s, and that is without accounting the rising warming outputs from the eight major interactive feedbacks that are observed to be accelerating. In short, anything less than a commitment to a near-zero global GHG output by 2050 is not only culpably negligent, it is also profoundly immoral. Mr Clinton really should know better than to be promoting such complacency as a 2100 target. Regards, Billhook
SayWhatNovember 10, 2014 6:01 pm
Did anyone mention to Mr. Clinton, that the Earth hasn't warmed much since he left office? Maybe he should stick to cigars?
Scott SmithNovember 10, 2014 5:53 pm
The word "Superstorm" was conjured up for 2012's Tropical Storm Sandy because it was not even at hurricane strength when it made landfall.
bhaskaranNovember 10, 2014 4:57 pm
A similar set of tweets that highlights the progress from AR4 and AR5 reports (ideally tweet by tweet) would be nice.
SageThinkerNovember 10, 2014 2:02 pm
A carbon rebate is the solution.
SageThinkerNovember 10, 2014 2:01 pm
The fossil fuel companies *are* the enviro-terrorists.
SageThinkerNovember 10, 2014 2:01 pm
We need a Carbon Rebate. A revenue-neutral carbon tax, also known as fee and dividend. It's the policy that actually reduced emissions in British Columbia by 16% while the rest of Canada rose 3%. It works and we need to do it now. Divestment doesn't actually cut emissions. We need to pick it up.
mike flanaganNovember 10, 2014 5:38 am
No Mr Day; To ccs the CO2 from Australian Steaming coal exports alone will require a void size and compression levels never obtained on a commercial footing before. The energy to drive the material to the void and maintain the compression is equal to nearly the total energy used for electricity production and therefore would demand nearly a doubling of the consumption of coal, creating even more of an economic abyss and environmental disaster. The economists, and experts in most fields, state that 80% of ALL fossil fuels currently identified as a resource asset must stay in the ground for us to meet our internationally agreed ambitions of less than a 2C temp rise, and so avoid the more calamitous impacts of run away CC on our social and economic structures and planetary weather mechanics.
Boyd ReddingNovember 10, 2014 2:23 am
Alleged "Superstorm" Sandy was not even at hurricane strength when it made landfall in 2012.
Jim SpriggsNovember 9, 2014 9:57 am
Mr. King, sorry for the nitpicking, but Senator Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat, he's an Independent who sides mainly with the Democrats. And the phrase is "Democratic Senator," not "Democrat Senator."
Jim SpriggsNovember 9, 2014 9:56 am
The fight we're having against global warming with its legions of simpleton deniers is not some election season fad. If that's all you got from this article maybe you should try reading it again, this time without the doobies.
Jim SpriggsNovember 9, 2014 5:33 am
Are you talking about the Pebble Limited Partnership suing the EPA? The American people rely on the EPA to do what they cannot do: Protect our air and water for future generations. So if the EPA does all it can to block the Pebble Mine from opening then it is doing its job. Shield yourself from further embarrassment and read this article: http://www.groundtruthtrekking.org/Issues/MetalsMining/pebble-mine-gold-copper-prospect-alaska.html On your second point you bring up how Senator Inhofe will continue his asinine oratory and calling of unqualified witnesses (and yes, legions of verified fossil fuel industry shills) to further drive Americans against the lunacy of the science denial movement. You will watch that happen instead of what you apparently think you'll see.
Jim SpriggsNovember 9, 2014 12:45 am
Please explain how shutting down our first line of defense against corporate polluters would save a hundred thousand jobs. I'll wait for your reply.
Anthony FremontNovember 9, 2014 12:03 am
Love it!
Paul M RaupNovember 8, 2014 2:56 pm
Ever wonder what people WILL burn to stay warm when all the fossil fuels are stopped ? How long will ANY vegetation remain, and THEN what happens ? One way to reduce population, I suppose, AND ensure that the tax collectors outlive the tax PAYERS....................
MervynNovember 8, 2014 2:25 pm
God bless America... and God bless Senator Inhofe.
Javier GonzalezNovember 8, 2014 1:11 pm
Jim Hansen speaks the truth.
socalpaNovember 8, 2014 11:21 am
Uncertainties ? That is an understatement . The climate models show less than 2% skill at forecasting the observed temps for over two decades. - The Lowest Sensitivity models remaining are falling out of their forecast ranges. - In most scientific disciplines, that large a failure to predict means Revise or Scrap ! - "Uncertainties" indeed .
PenoceaNovember 8, 2014 11:04 am
Environmentalists are keeping undeveloped countries poor and want children and old people to starve.
socalpaNovember 8, 2014 11:03 am
Amazing hubris of this ignorant man ! Cost the Democrats Five Energy States ! -On the way to environmentalists being viewed as ISIS is by the American Public. - 5 billion or so humans rely on petroleum and coal and nuclear for heat, light and transportation. Another two billion Want reliable energy . - Fuels which helped raise the Life Expectancy by 25 years in the Industrialized World. - He wants them Forbidden. - All because he Believes predictions of problems a Century hence. Based on climate Models that show Less than 2% skill at forecasting the Observed Temps for Over Two Decades. - Really Amazing.
Why?November 8, 2014 5:42 am
Well, Bill, you have the easy part done ... complaining! You -- and your cohorts, none -- have any real solutions. You all simply whine like little children.
PsalmonNovember 8, 2014 5:03 am
Amazing how they walked there from all over Latin America without any fossil fuels.
Devon ShireNovember 8, 2014 3:31 am
Climate sleuths? No no, these are just tax collectors. They already have a name. The IRS.
Derek MetzerNovember 8, 2014 3:15 am
Sounds like he is inciting Enviro Terrorists to take action. The guy looks like he will be dead in 20 years. He'll never know we survived. In 20 years this Man made Climate change argument is going to be discarded. Technology is moving at light speed. We did not have an I-phone 10 years ago. There wasn't an electric car on the market. Tesla who? Over and over again, the Climate models are proven wrong. They spew out the worst scenario and the metrics show the best scenario, even as projections for the worst scenario of green house gas emissions were severely under estimated.
handjiveNovember 8, 2014 2:47 am
"He has come from subverting a Shell-sponsored conference and is heading to India next, to take part in the coal vs solar debate." - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/11/07/bill-mckibben-the-climate-movement-needs-to-get-confrontational/#sthash.Pu0DzsGh.dpuf "heading to India" ... Not using Shell fossil fuels obviously.
Lance1234November 8, 2014 1:09 am
You want confrontation? Be careful what you wish for. Conftrontation will bring addition push back. You have already acknowledged you have lost the argument. Aggressive behavior does not increase acceptance of stupidity that can't win the argument.
Vera ScrogginsNovember 7, 2014 11:09 pm
thanks, for promoting solar and other non-fossil fuel alternatives and informing folks so that we can finally be weaned off fossil fuels and stop polluting the earth....
Steve WilsonNovember 7, 2014 11:05 pm
If the science and data was real then you wouldn't need consensus or threaten anyone. The IPCC is an activist group started by leftwing extremist. All you have to do is research this stuff. Its about limiting the world powers and holding the developing countries down. Some think the population is too high and man is cancer. This is all a scam to get this ideology moving forward.
AttaboyNovember 7, 2014 10:45 pm
"We hear how concentrations of CO2 are the highest in recorded history, and rising;" sorry, but correlation is not causation no matter how much you wish it was. Then they back up this half truth with more lies "how Arctic sea ice is disappearing at a rate of 4% per decade; (lie) temperatures could rise by 4.8C by 2100 without rapid action to cut emissions. (lie) But "most scientists" (lie) are painfully aware by now that facts are not – and never will be – enough, no matter how clearly they spell out the disaster knocking ever more urgently at our doors. (doomsday propaganda)
VictorNovember 7, 2014 9:54 pm
It's not only that McKibben is wrong about the source of global warming. He's also wrong about its effects. And on top of that he's wrong about what to do about it, assuming anything needs to be done at all. I've been thinking hard on this issue lately, and sharing my thoughts on a blog usually devoted to economics. But this is an issue that's having an economic impact, so why not? If you're curious, check out the last six posts on my blog, Mole in the Ground: http://amoleintheground.blogspot.com/ Regardless of who is wrong or who is right on the topic of climate, the hysteria over climate change is distracting from far more urgent issues, such as the current worldwide recession, the taking control of democracy by vastly wealthy oligarchs, devastating inequality, devastating worker exploitation, and yes: pollution. The old fashioned kind, which still remains a serious problem but is being ignored in favor of the inordinate focus on carbon and carbon only, to the point, literally, of insanity.
PhoenixNovember 7, 2014 9:42 pm
Hey Bill, This would be a good talking point. How long will it take someone buying their energy from electric companies to make 1 penny of PROFIT? Won't ever happen, in a million years right? How long will it take for someone to start making profit after investing in solar energy? The first day it is turned on right!
MassoloNovember 7, 2014 9:36 pm
It's nice to see him try. It won;t matter though. Corporate America rules our country and they have decided that acknowledging climate change could lead to restrictive laws that will impact profit. Besides, all they have to do is create a new division that build sea walls or cleans out Fracked wells, and they make even more money...even if they caused it in the first place.
Jim SpriggsNovember 7, 2014 9:16 pm
Even more amazing is how we have a never ending stream of seriously misinformed people falling off the back of the anti-science turnip truck. How many times do we have to tell you people that weather and climate are two different things, climate models don't "predict" anything, and that global warming has not stopped at all? How many times?
Jim SpriggsNovember 7, 2014 9:09 pm
Hilarious. The American Taliban always gets everything exactly backwards.
Jim SpriggsNovember 7, 2014 9:06 pm
I don't think Einstein could raise the average IQ of the comments so far.
Ray DziadzioNovember 7, 2014 9:06 pm
The sun drives our atmosphere. The Sun is now tossing off more energy because its at Sunspot Maximum. It is a cycle that lasts about 11years. There is no way any anything we do will change that you might s well try and stop the tides. Also volcanos give off more CO2 then anything humans can ever do. They also give off co3 and H2SO4 to name a few other gases.
Why?November 7, 2014 8:43 pm
So, Bill, you have the easy part done ... bitching. Your alternatives are (exactly, please)?
Barry MooreNovember 7, 2014 8:32 pm
"Reasoned arguments for climate action “did not win the day”, he tells a packed hall: it is time for a more confrontational approach. " Because the arguments were weak and failed to validate the position they supported. So the alternative if one can not present a valid argument is to resort to terrorism. So typical. When are these people going to actually debate the issue with both sides fairly represented in a responsible forum. The answer is never they preach from on high and do not allow any rebuttal and never debate because they know they do not have facts to win a debate.
grrretchenNovember 7, 2014 8:27 pm
McKibben says: "The idea is to rob the legitimacy of these companies, that gives them the social licence, the ability to damage our politics. We need as many forces in society as possible to say: these companies are rogue companies.” "Damage our politics"? Rob the companies of their legitimacy? So that's how it works. Don't address their argument just marginalize them so no one listens to them? Is that the idea? How typical of elitist activists to favor shutting up the opposition rather than debating them. Nasty little tyrants like McKibben just can't get it through their mushy progressive skulls that until the global warming alarmists can come up with convincing persuasive arguments, most folk are just going to shrug their shoulders and go on about their business. McKibben needs to start addressing the arguments and answering a lot of the questions that the theory of AGW raises. Trying to shut up their opponents only makes it sound like they don't have a convincing counter argument. It only hurts their side and leaves the impression that AGW really is all about politics.
PygmalionNovember 7, 2014 7:39 pm
The "roadmap" has the best Parisian restaurants already staked out
floridanativeeNovember 7, 2014 7:09 pm
The climate wars are over and you lost. Do the world a big favor and switch to population control. That is the real problem and it can be solved.
aloha597November 7, 2014 6:59 pm
Scientific laws are determined by empirical evidence collected from repeatable experiments, not tome-like reports conjured up by politically motivated bureaucrats and greedy pseudo-scientists.
LindaNovember 7, 2014 6:53 pm
Which of the 55 climate models is this based on? None of them agree.
Robin_GuenierNovember 7, 2014 6:13 pm
'The IPCC chair, Rajendra Pachauri − himself an Indian citizen − said the report meant emissions would need to drop by between 40% to 70% globally by 2050, and to zero or below by 2100.' Yes, but he also seems to think India (and other developing countries) should be exempt: http://www.hindustantimes.com/comment/rkpachauri/let-s-talk-about-the-weather/article1-1277879.aspx. An extract: 'India as a developing country and with a large part of its population living in poverty cannot be expected to reduce its emissions of GHGs.' Unfortunately countries responsible for nearly 70% of GHG emissions are also developing countries with large parts of their populations living in poverty.
Ray DziadzioNovember 7, 2014 5:01 pm
There has to be a resolution from this summit about Climate Change. Seeing as the Sun is the driving Force of our Climate. It will have to demand the Sun Stop Producing So Much Energy. With the Sun at Sun Spot Max they had better very harshly Word the Resolution
George DayNovember 7, 2014 3:59 pm
the only thing stopping CCS is political will - it has to be a vital part of a serious balanced approach to cutting emissions
Richard DaviesNovember 7, 2014 10:59 am
It can be stored, but only up to a point. There are some losses (around 20-30% depending on the scale, type (battery, air-pressure, pumped water) etc.) What's critical in understanding the carbon increase is that Gas turbines are more like your car in that it uses more or less fuel depending on how hard it needs to push -- i.e. when the wind blows and wind turbines produce power, the gas turbines naturally use less gas. Coal is not quite as flexible - i.e. they might need to produce big fake loads just to stop the grid from overloading. The renewables push in Germany has arguably held back Fracking, which means gas prices are higher meaning facilities have turned back to coal, and dirty coal at that. It's these two factors (high gas prices, plus renewables not having actually replaced that much generation), that means More Renewables has NOT lead to Less CO2.
Tab NumlockNovember 7, 2014 4:16 am
Why don't we want nicer weather and more abundant crops again?
mike flanaganNovember 6, 2014 11:56 pm
And Pigs might fly! Even the retro fit of the Canadian generator is a furphy. The gas they are retrieving is used to pump out more fossil fuels from a nearby operation. and gives the process its economic and engiineering legitimacy. This economics / engineering report is a spin from the coal mining industry and doesn't deserve coverage in the RTCC if you want to maintain some credibility. They, the coal spinmiesters, will follow this report with another on a DICE motor that has been under consideration and development for a generation now and has so far evolved into a single cylinder diesel engine capable of performing with a slurry of coal and water as a salvation to the coal miners and electricity generators answer to their emissions.
RoNovember 6, 2014 10:50 pm
Great to see this argument explained so clearly; I've met a lot of people who assume that climate change will lead to conflict so really useful to understand a bit more about the reality
TruthTellerNovember 6, 2014 10:30 pm
Heh.... the pendulum ALWAYS swings the other way. Bunch of loons had their 15 minutes. Now it's time for them to climb back into their padded cells, and let the sane adults clean up the mess.
PygmalionNovember 6, 2014 7:54 pm
"In a world of unlimited funds, addressing climate change would be fairly easy..." But in the real world today, it requires genuine political acumen and propaganda strength to bilk the gullible American people for the greatest amount possible, as more and more catch on...
markoparNovember 6, 2014 7:45 pm
10 WAYS LIBERALS CAN STOP PRODUCING CARBON DIOXIDE: Stop breathing - When you exhale you release carbon dioxide. Don't drive, not even a Prius - You liberals all know how bad driving is for your precious environment. Don't live in a house/apartment/condo or any building that uses natural gas, propane, or electricity - Homes produce 2-3 times more carbon dioxide than cars. Don't wear shoes or any sort of clothing produced in a factory - Grow a cotton field, skin that cow you raised, and make your own clothes by hand. Quit school - Those school buildings produce more carbon dioxide in a year then you alone do in 20 years. Eat meat raw - Whether you're using gas or electric, both produce carbon dioxide. Turn off this monitor and computer - You hypocrites. Don't use toilets - Urinate or poo in your back yard, as the water to your house is cleaned and sent to your house with pumps that use electricity that emits SF6 (the worst greenhouse gas) when transported down high-tension wires and carbon dioxide when initially produced. Stop exercising - Increasing your heart rate increases the amount of oxygen you take in, turn into carbon dioxide, and exhale as a dangerous greenhouse gas. Die - Dying younger means you will do all of the above less. Living one year less means you will save the Earth 8.4 tons of carbon dioxide every year that you're not here!
markoparNovember 6, 2014 7:44 pm
I am still weighting for this to happen 35 years latter........ Earth Day, 1970: “We have about five more years at the outside to do something.” • Kenneth Watt, ecologist “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….” • Life Magazine “Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” • George Wald, Harvard Biologist “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation.” • Barry Commoner, Washington University biologist “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.” • New York Times editorial, the day after the first Earth Day “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.” • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.” • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation.” • Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.” • Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University
silverfishimperitrixNovember 6, 2014 6:52 pm
I am a climate change denier and here is why. After Hurricane Katrina, we were told that it was just the first of many "Super Hurricanes," we could expect. It's been 9 years and they haven't happened yet. We were told that by 2012 the polar ice caps would be ice free. Hasn't happened either. There are a litany of stories like these. If man made climate change is real, why do its proponents insist on using scare stories to try to convince the unconvinced?
joe crewNovember 6, 2014 6:26 pm
WOW! "Climate deniers." I'd say the people in denial are the ones who can't model yesterday's weather but claim to be able to accurately predict what will happen in 100 years. They are the same ones who don't accept that we've had 18+ years without their beloved warming. To deny the scientific facts is delusional and you call me a denier?
Russell CookNovember 6, 2014 6:23 pm
Devastating for enviro-activists in so many ways. First, there is the EPA which is so secretive about its own internal correspondence that they put out redacted FOIA-requested documents looking like what we'd expect out of the CIA or NSA. Second, he will actively bring up skeptic climate assessments which the Obama administration and Democrats have long pretended never existed. Then there's the potential that he might call for investigations on why widespread accusations that skeptic climate scientists are 'paid industry shills' has no evidence to back it up.
Richard GibbardNovember 6, 2014 6:18 pm
DEAR CLIMATE CHANGE ALARMISTS- Climate change is natural and a part of the evolutionary process. You DO believe in evolution, right? Or are you so vain that you think we're the end of the line?
Earl DeckerNovember 6, 2014 5:59 pm
Although I do not believe that increased CO2 is causing global warming and that climate change is most natural I do applaud the effort being made for making the world more environmentally friendly for all life. I only would be more willing to cooperate in the effort if the scientists and politicians were more honest in their attempts to persuade the public and businesses the truth of climate. Blaming us for using fossil fuels which produce CO2 that supposedly causes warming of the atmosphere has not been scientific proved. Taxpayers money used to finance so many fraudulently research projects could be more wisely used to provide monetary incentives for people and industries to utilize less CO2 producing products if the government wants to reduce CO2 increases.
EstobanNovember 6, 2014 4:19 pm
Cut EPA funding to zero and save a hundred thousand jobs.
jackNovember 6, 2014 1:31 pm
hey have you heard On Friday 27 September, the low-lying island nation of the Maldives will be given the date of its extinction; notice of a death by drowning. It will come in the form of a prediction for future sea-level rise in a landmark report on global warming by the world's climate scientists. On current trends, anything more than three generations will feel like a reprieve.
Da TermsatorNovember 6, 2014 7:15 am
Fact: More than 31,000 scientists recognize that there is no convincing scientific evidence of man-made global warming.
OatmealformeNovember 5, 2014 11:51 pm
Climate change also causes religion which causes wars.
tmalthus2010November 5, 2014 11:07 pm
We've cut ours by 20% since 1990. What's China done? Their turn, maybe?
Science OfficerNovember 5, 2014 9:16 pm
Lawyers and climate change activists. Now that's a scary combination.
Carolyn-Las VegasNovember 5, 2014 7:16 pm
Some Reps spouted the "I'm not a scientist" to appeal to their voting base, the Tea Partiers who seem to be overwhelmingly ignorant about and hostile to science. I have some hope that now that they are in power - the adults in the room - at least a few Republicans will take a slightly less absurd view. After all, they have grandkids, too. But of course Big Oil and other multinationals control what happens more than the politicians do, that hasn't changed. Let's see...
derecho64November 5, 2014 3:24 pm
Forget climate policy. Expect to see the funding to study climate gutted. Silence the messenger, and the message magically goes away.
Michael G SwifteNovember 5, 2014 3:11 pm
Oops! I just accidently ended up at Chatham House with mega oil big-wigs. I'll have to have a long chat with my Rockefeller funded PA.
Jamie ThomsonNovember 5, 2014 12:33 am
Should we focus on the (many) evils of fossil fuel companies (easy), or focus our energy on a political system that allows a small minority of interests to overwhelm the decision making process? Democracy cannot endure where money is the loudest voice in free speech.
Fay TuncayNovember 4, 2014 11:41 pm
BBC Radio 4 Today Programme, with Roger Harrabin, the BBC’s Environment Analyst, interviews mathematician Nic Lewis on his lower global warming prediction of 1.7 degrees C for a doubling of global CO2 emissions. (Interviewed 1 Nov 2014) https://soundcloud.com/fay-kelly-tuncay/bbc-radio-interview-nic-lewis-on-lower-global-warming-predictions-of-17-degrees-c
GuyBBNovember 4, 2014 8:56 pm
Golly, maybe the scientists didn't want to go out on a limb for their political masters. Saying, "If you make us back this nonsense, then, they may begin to question the entire set of assumptions that got us this close to your goals!"
Aubrey MeyerNovember 4, 2014 7:08 pm
Eclipse Now is right; Do the maths is what its about: - http://www.gci.org.uk/images/Renewables_Rainbow_Percentages.png
Todd AndersonNovember 4, 2014 6:34 pm
More than 600,000 bats were killed by wind turbines in 2012 - a serious blow to creatures which pollinate crops and help control mosquitoes.
coffeeHouse1982November 4, 2014 8:57 am
In other news, for ice-age deniers, Peru is literally freezing to death: http://www.peruviantimes.com/28/peru-declares-state-of-emergency-in-puno-as-temperatures-drop/20080/
AttaboyNovember 4, 2014 7:56 am
Man, there is just not an angle the democrats wont take this election cycle. Expect the next two years to be nothing but democrats campaigning for 2016.
John MurrayNovember 3, 2014 9:30 pm
So that 15 years with no warming is natural variation but NOT ONE of the models could predict this long period of no warming? Tells you something about the models doesn't it? Essentially they are arguing that those 15 years are "weather" and not climate is what this boils down to but if you have 2 years in a row with hotter temps well THAT is climate.
Jonathan- J- MichaelisNovember 3, 2014 5:42 pm
The International Panel on Climate Change are calling for zero carbon emission energy policies. In the summer my engineering institution called for policy proposals on sustainable energy (and other areas) in less than 500 words. This was my submission: "Engineering can give the world plentiful affordable energy sustainably. Rational far-sighted decision making and investment are needed by government. Leaders should guide public opinion and avoid short-termism and prejudice. We must aim for global zero net emissions of greenhouse gases. We must also recognise that plentiful affordable energy is essential to grow economies and alleviate world poverty. Energy efficiency measures alone cannot meet these requirements. A holistic engineering approach demands that the technologies adopted add up to a complete solution. For example, energy must either be generated when it is needed or there must be sufficient storage. Overall costs have to be politically acceptable. In the UK, our biggest energy demand is for heat: space, water and industrial process heating. Next is transport. Roughly a quarter of our energy demand is electricity. Using heat sources solely to generate electricity rather than adopting Combined Heat and Power (CHP) is inherently inefficient (second law of thermodynamics). Unlike electricity, heat energy is difficult to transmit over long distances but relatively easy to store. Our energy strategy must recognise where, how and when energy is needed. Some possibilities: Small Modular nuclear Reactor (SMR) designs have been proposed with claims of inherent safety and relatively cheap production-line manufacture. They could provide heat for high temperature industrial processes including synthesising transport fuel and for CHP. Molten-Salt Reactors could use much current nuclear "waste" as fuel. There is enough thorium to power our world for thousands of years. Whilst nuclear power stations can follow demand, it may make sense to run them at close to full capacity as most of their cost is capital build rather than fuel. When supply outstrips immediate demand, excess capacity can be used to store heat or for industrial processes. If sufficient electricity can be stored locally to meet every small area's needs for a few hours this would substantially reduce a nation's generating capacity requirement and demand on its electricity grid. Liquid metal batteries may be capable of this. New materials could radically reduce solar power costs perhaps making it a conventional choice to power air conditioning. In some locales solar power combined with overnight electricity storage could even become a viable primary energy provision strategy. The potential supply of solar power far exceeds global energy demand. Other renewables are limited by capacity, investment costs and their intermittent nature. Nevertheless, they may provide important contributions such as tidal power exploiting natural conditions. Energy storage requirements for a renewables-only system would be vast and with existing science, prohibitively expensive. There is little merit in reducing nuclear power output when the wind is blowing. Short-term CO2 targets may be leading us to concentrate on inadequate technologies, diverting us from a truly sustainable path. Engineering expertise exists in UK and Europe to develop sustainable new nuclear and other technologies. Currently China looks set to be first to develop molten-salt reactors. The challenges of 21st century energy policy should be seized by our politicians as opportunities to build a prosperous and sustainable future."
MacDaddy12345November 3, 2014 4:27 pm
not just once but several times and then came the more recent glaciations where CO2 levels werre at current levels. This could be geological (i.e. the restriction of ocean flow which could affect the carbon cycle) tied in with decreased solar activity. I am no astronomer and make no claims as to why the solar activity decreased, I have heard and read too many "theories" on that. I do know that decreased solar activity weakens the sun's magnetic field, letting more cosmic rays through and these rays have H2O particulate, increasing precipitation and if the planet is going through a cooling period the precipitation will be snow and sleet. This would not completely melt during the following cool summer and build up in to the massive ice sheets that happened during the last periods of glaciation. This all seems to be a cycle, one we may be stuck in. We are in a warming period and the time is running out before the next ice age. I have read enough to know that physicists and astronomers all disagree among themselves, showing that we can only go by the past because "theorists" have no more an idea as to what is going on than my two year old granddaughter.
dstackNovember 3, 2014 4:14 pm
"The IPCC says that we have to eliminate all CO2 emissions by the year 2100. But we already tried that experiment. In 1988, James Hansen modeled future climate based on three scenarios, with scenario C assuming no increase in atmospheric CO2 after the year 2000. Temperatures have remained below Scenario C, indicating that we are already doing better than zero emissions, and that CO2 has almost no impact on the climate." Time to let it go.
MacDaddy12345November 3, 2014 4:10 pm
Since I see no meterological degree, your credentials are also none existence. The beauty is that Historians can see the repeated cycles of the planet and mathematicians and remain in la la land making "informed" guesses at what might happen. Why can't the IPCC computer models work, oh great and wonderful computer modeler? I can tell you why, no one knows all the parameters of weather/climate and probably never will.
John SamuelNovember 3, 2014 3:36 pm
The weather on other planets has changed in lockstep with other planets? Not according to any known science. Can you explain?
bowdawgNovember 3, 2014 5:50 am
You are incorrect about other planets. http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars-intermediate.htm And it is more like every scientific organization on earth compared to almost no scientists if you look at the published research. http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-advanced.htm
Bill WilkinsonNovember 3, 2014 4:37 am
"No one asked me" is school yard language. The time to grow up and face reality is now.
Paul ClarkNovember 3, 2014 4:33 am
Why is it always about the credentials? Can't you debate a point?
Earl DeckerNovember 3, 2014 3:20 am
TomTerrific----Really!!! Are you expecting an asteroid impact or nuclear winter? Surely won't happen from global warming.
Earl DeckerNovember 3, 2014 3:17 am
Real great tweets. Nothing scientific only speculation and opinions. Reads more like an astrologers prophecy.
R2D3November 2, 2014 9:07 pm
Global Warming & Climate Change Mythshttps://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php The Reality of Climate Change: 10 Myths Busted http://www.livescience.com/19466-climate-change-myths-busted.html I Was a Climate Change Denier http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/11/01/I_Was_A_Climate_Change_Denier
Don GrahamNovember 2, 2014 7:13 pm
My avatar is from the 1972 book Limits To Growth. That book and its various scenarios have been updated and recalculated several times. The last time Scenario #1 was recalculated, the point of "overshoot and collapse" was reduced from a range of probable onset years to 2024. "Emissions" are not the only complicating factor. Radioactivity leaking into the Pacific from Fukushima continues with no effective detox response eminent. The other man-made chemicals and particulate matter in our emissions, even if they could be curtailed immediately, will continue to accumulate in both our external and internal environments, combining and recombining in unanticipated ways. "Flooding, dangerous heatwaves, ill health and violent conflicts are among the likely risks ..." some of which we are already seeing in the Med, Middle East, Africa and North America. What are your plans to survive?
floridanativeeNovember 2, 2014 6:45 pm
No matter what they sign, the US Senate will not pass any treaty on climate. 67 votes are needed and it will not begin to get that many. All this is is a method to take money from the developed countries, give the UN a big cut, and give the remaining to the dictators of the undeveloped countries. This will have no affect on the climate anyway. Sign anything you wish, but it isn't going to happen.
gdwightNovember 2, 2014 6:35 pm
Lets just spray cooling agent CW7 into the upper atmosphere of Earth. That will stop global warming
PhlemmingNovember 2, 2014 6:13 pm
Mac, Mine? Degrees in math, physics, geology, and applied computer science with extensive experience in mathematical modeling of large complex systems and digital simulation. And the real joke is when you tell everybody what your Climatology Credentials are. No Credentials, No Credibility
Tom TerrificNovember 2, 2014 5:33 pm
We,as a species,are in the unique situation, of not only being able to witness, but also being the cause of our own Extinction!
Donald Weetman CameronNovember 2, 2014 4:29 pm
So this a purely political or policy endeavor. My 900 scientists are better than your 60 scientists? The fact that weather has changed on other planets in lock step with ours is irrelevant? This is not a serious undertaking or nuclear generators would be sprouting like weeds. So we know that this is just another UN zombie attack.
DMNNovember 2, 2014 4:16 pm
I am also aware of glaciations happending under 7000 ppm co2.
varkdriverNovember 2, 2014 3:50 pm
Dear Peter, I'm not burying my head in the sand. Ocean levels have been rising ever since the end of the ice age, right or wrong? To think man can stop or arrest that is a delusion of grandeur. As I said, no ideology is perfect. But your statement about capitalism is myopic, cynical and simplistic. Tell us something. Why is it greed to want to keep what I earn? Yet it is not greed for you to want...and think you even deserve...to take part of what I earned? That is the essence of communism, right? From each according to one's abilities; to each according to one's needs? Oh, wow, there's an admission of inequality, right there. And forced greed. Look at history and read Governor Bradford's account of forced collectivism when the Pilgrims were trying to establish the original settlement. Under forced collectivism, half starved to death within the first year. It was only when they let the families keep what they produced on their land and allowed them to sell amongst themselves, that the colony survived. Please, go to Cuba where they "enjoy" the collectivism versus capitalism you apparently admire. It's worked out SO WELL for them, for Chavez's Venezuela…and for the former Soviet Union, right?
Junior CapitalistNovember 2, 2014 9:55 am
and greed brought more progress than charity. I suggest you read ayn rand's atlas shrugged.
KatatetorihanzoNovember 2, 2014 3:29 am
There was significant glaciation dated to 460 mya-430 mya, but the atmospheric CO2 levels for this period are not known. I repeat, there isn't a proxy CO2 measure for the late Ordovician glacial period. However when KNOWN proxies for atmospheric greenhouse gas levels and cold/warm spells are dated contemporaneously, that there is a great match (high CO2 associated with warm periods/low atmospheric CO2 with cold periods).
Eclipse NowNovember 1, 2014 10:19 pm
"The difficult question of who gets to burn the rest" = None of us. 4/5ths of the remaining reserves must stay in the ground. We've got 14 years before we commit to 2 degrees. Do the math.
MacDaddy12345November 1, 2014 7:39 pm
Climate has changed since the Hadean and there is presently no accelerated climate change, just the beginning of the 30 year cycle for cooling....you still haven't mentioned your credentials...LOL
MacDaddy12345November 1, 2014 7:36 pm
Historian with courses in Climate history and the effect on cultures. What we had for 30 decades at the end of the 20th century is nothing new. 3 previous warming periods during recorded history were actually warmer and CO2 lower, the Andean-Saharan glaciation had CO2 levels 16 times higher than today. What is your and Phlemming's credentials in Climatology? Pretty sure he has none since he seems to think Climatology is a degreed pursuit from meteorology.
MacDaddy12345November 1, 2014 7:29 pm
You are the one that thinks Climatology and meteorology are two different critters...In order to be a Climatologist, you must had a degree in meteorology and if you want to teach or lead a climate study, you need to have a PHD in metereorlogy...Doof, they are the one and the same! As for Dr Woodcock, most of his work with NASA involved climate studies.
MacDaddy12345November 1, 2014 5:50 pm
And what then is your Climatology Credentials? Do you even know what it takes to be called a “Climatologist”? Using your argument, if you have no Climatology Credentials, then you are not able to discuss the subject rationally and intelligently. Now, let’s address your misinformation – the arctic ice mass (and correspondingly the Greenland ice mass) has stopped shrinking and has started a rebound, according to PIOMAS Oct 2014 - “My point… is to stress the impacts of 2013 and 2014's poor melt summers. Ice state is now at a point similar to the years 2009 and 2008. With the extra volume in the Central Arctic, the transport of older thicker ice into Beaufort and through to Chukchi (Pacific sector) will buffer those regions against anything but a 2007 style weather driven crash. For some years, until this volume pulse works through the system, spring melts will be less aggressive, and melt in the Pacific sector of the Arctic Ocean will not be as aggressive as in some recent years, so repeats of 2012 are now rather unlikely, probably for much of the rest of this decade “ (hmmm, could the current cooling spell have anything to do with this). Next, the current Warmist scare tactic – Oceanic acidification – a New paper published on Oct 23 2014 by D. Wall-Palmer, C.W. Smart and M.B. Hart, School of Geography, Earth and Enviormental Sciences, Plymouth University, Plymouth UK shows oceanic acidification was about the same during the last interglacial period as today (what! No industry to blame it on!!!). The fundamental chemistry of the ocean carbon system, including the presence of calcium carbonate minerals on the ocean floor that can slowly dissolve and help neutralize some of the CO2, prevents the oceans from becoming acidic on a global scale – Christopher L. Sabine, Supervisory Oceanographer, NOAA Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory. Scientists estimate that surface ocean pH has fallen by less than 0.1 pH unit from pre-industrial times to today – EPOCA. Actually, it takes more than just a few degrees on the thermometer to disrupt a civilization. In fact an increase in CO2 and 5 to 8 degrees Fahrenheit will benefit a civilization through greater food production both animal and plant. (as evidenced by the Roman Empire) Cooling has the opposite effect, shorter growing seasons (without the benefit of increased CO2) will lead to reduced food production, gives diseases an ease of transmission, in that people will tend to huddle together fighting cold and food shortages and because of food shortages the resulting reduced physical ability to ward off diseases will tend to turn a single infection of something like yersinia pestis (Black Death) into a plague that decimates human populations, leading to the collapse of governments. Luckily mankind does have the heightened ability to adapt. It would take something like the Great Mycenaean Drought (which caused mass migrations, leading to the collapse of city states and empires) or the Dark Ages Cooling period (which was a major factor in the fall of the Roman Empire) to bring about major change in the current world scheme.
ianNovember 1, 2014 5:24 pm
Interesting topic. A couple of thoughts: first, the IPCC is a politically based organization by charter.. they admit it.. the report coming out tomorrow will have been vetted by a political process to make sure nothing gets out that the politians don't want the public to be privy to. I'd like to pass on my thought regarding capitalism et al. I suggest in the short term (one generation) capitalism works but when the shit hits the fan via a catastrophe hit to infrastructure such as the Sandy Point storm or Katrina in New Orleans, you need a strong central government to get things repaired quickly in order to keep the economic engine going. There are obviously many sides to the strengths and weaknesses of any system. With regards to capitalism - I respectfully suggest one of the problems relates to supply/demand of resources. Problems arise when all that grow grow grow activity exceeds the availability of resources to keep it going. At some point he cost of fuel and other resources rise to the point where activity starts to decline - which I suggest is what is now starting to happen. Lets not focus on the fact/fiction of climate change or the peak oil/gas debates. Can we agree water levels are actually rising (read any current article about Miami) and can we agree the mid latitudes are drying out? Indications of this include severe droughts in Texas, California, San Paulo (population 12-20million which has 3% of reservoir left), Iran (about 1% of reserves left ), even Syria where a 4 year drought wiped out farming - the government didn't respond with infrastructure or other forms of help. leaving the farmers dry and with no choice but to abandoned their farms and move to cities where they became rebels and you know how that has played out. So how does all this affect North America? .. rising waters means there will be, without question a significant need for infrastructure upgrading in many parts of the coastline globally (your military bases on the east coast are upgrading right now) ... You can't dock an oil or wheat tanker if the dock or refinery is underwater and all 27 refineries in Texas are in Houston, your fourth largest city ..and are situated at sea level in a Hurricane zone. Pipes from Houston fan out across US to feed the populations oil/gas needs . If anything happens to disrupt that flow of oil in/out of Houston, America will be in very serious trouble. Drying out of the mid latitudes (ie: Texas/California etc.) means both problems for food production (beef industry is being decimated in Texas) and the relocation of people if/when domestic/agriculture water supplies run out. The southern states will see massive pressure on it's borders as people move north from South America, Guatemala, Mexico etc. What do you do with 20 million people who literally wake up one morning and find there is no water? - they migrate.. very quickly. All of these problems can't be left ignored.. at some point they will have to be addressed.. and that means a need for significant increase in government involvement.. which capitalists naturally hate with a passion - deregulation makes capitalism work efficently. If problems of such a basic nature as food/water for the masses aren't addressed by central government - who will address them? Federal help (they control the money supply) is critical if you don't want total destabilization... China is having a much easier time of growing given the population basically supports their central government approach - we've been observing this for years. If they want roads/buildings/infrastructure.. they build them.. in North America we'll analysis the shit out of it for 20 years before doing another study..etc etc. You can see this stuff daily. anyway..I'm no fan of big government but I do have my eyes open and can see there is a lot of every expensive weather related shit going on and maybe it's time for some open, frank but respectful discussion on how we're going to deal with these very real issues... sorry for ranting...I have grandkids.
Peter HerbertNovember 1, 2014 3:02 pm
The Koch brothers and their oily friends, that's who!
ru56by .November 1, 2014 3:02 pm
carbon tax? you never heard of it ? Really?
Peter HerbertNovember 1, 2014 3:01 pm
When Florida drowns, will you change your mind?
Peter HerbertNovember 1, 2014 3:00 pm
If you believe there has been no warming, I suggest you enquire into sea temperatures. That is where warming is now going and with increasingly disastrouc effect. The atmospheric temperature IS still rising but it reached the point 15 years ago when it could not continue to warm while the oceans stayed cool. The oceans hold vast quantities of water and they hold far more heat than the atmosphere.
Peter HerbertNovember 1, 2014 2:57 pm
You carry on burying your head in the sand. The tide is coming to drown you. Capitalism is about greed and nothing else.
TedNovember 1, 2014 2:33 pm
These temperature ratings are just like legs. Four legs bad, two legs good.
Aubrey MeyerNovember 1, 2014 1:36 pm
These comments (quoted below) in the article above are correct. Global carbon contraction has to fast enough to keep under 2° C & subject to that limit, International convergence has to be at a rate that splits the difference between Developed & Developing countries: - http://morphic.it/cbat/#domain-2/feedback "Among the most sensitive subjects is the “carbon budget”, which states that there is only a certain amount of carbon dioxide that can be emitted before the world exceeds warming 2C, a threshold deemed dangerous by scientists and politicians. The IPCC reported in September 2013 that over half of this has already been used up. Developed countries have burned the majority of fossil fuels so far, which have formed the bedrock of their economic progress since the industrial revolution. The difficult question of who gets to burn the rest and if this should be shared out is one of the underlying sources of tension between countries working on a UN climate agreement."
varkdriverNovember 1, 2014 11:20 am
Here's why I'll never go along with the climate change cause. They recently showed their true colors aren't scientific but political. At a meeting in the socialist country of Venezuela, 135 representatives from green organizations agreed to a resolution that basically stated (I'll paraphrase): In order to save the planet, we must rid the world of capitalism. No ideology is perfect, but capitalism has made more citizens of more countries more wealthy than any other system. Like Sir Winston Churchill once sarcastically stated, "The 'vice' of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the 'virtue' of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries". As long as the zealots continue to preach monetary policies like wealth redistribution or abandonment of capitalism for some other form of governance like socialism or communism to solve this supposed " scientific consensus" (there is no consensus in science), you can forget many people like me having an open mind to the claims and going along with the movement.
Christopher ShawNovember 1, 2014 11:17 am
I am afraid I do not understand what you are saying Jamie.
Christopher ShawNovember 1, 2014 11:17 am
I am a Fellow at the Environmental Change Institute at the University of Oxford and have published in the top climate change journals. However, rather than descend into ad hominem attacks perhaps it would be more productive to focus on the argument I am making.
Rolf WestgardNovember 1, 2014 10:35 am
I hear lots of pious comments about saving the earth for our grandchildren etc. I don't hear about anything hard like a $1 a gallon gasoline tax. There are also no unusual weather events and no warming that hasn't happened naturally in recorded history.
David NevadaNovember 1, 2014 10:08 am
And it will likely it will say 1983-2012 was one of the warmest periods on record.'' Even though there's been no warming for 15 years and one of the ''Top'' IPCC scientists say thie ''Pause'' could last for thirty more years. No politics here.
Dale OndeckNovember 1, 2014 7:45 am
So, in this case, "incredible" must mean that it's not credible... Whenever "governments are working alongside scientists" to produce a report, it really means "governments are editing science reports to show what they want them to show".
D. SelfNovember 1, 2014 3:39 am
The UN is releasing this propaganda before the midterms do get the dumb vote out.
noahharrisNovember 1, 2014 3:38 am
The deniers will still deny. As most governments now are controlled, heavily influenced or bought out by industrial interests 'government' won't do much to deal with this situation. When the world population reaches nine or ten billion, and the climate change has become so significant that it can no longer be denied it will be too late. Sometimes a problem can exist without a solution... this is one of them.
ArchangelNovember 1, 2014 3:31 am
What are your credentials? What credentials are required for these individuals to express an opinion? You are a typical Liberal Lunatic who believes opinions are acceptable so long as they agree with your opinion!
Graywolf12November 1, 2014 3:18 am
I knew Yahoo could not go 1 day without the scary warming threat.
tmalthus2010November 1, 2014 2:07 am
Incredible? Try "not credible" to be more accurate. The AGW Cabal's getting desperate as the fraud continues to unravel.
MacDaddy12345November 1, 2014 12:59 am
CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas, during the Andean-Saharan glaciaion the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere remained rather high compared with today's level. Some findinds even show that the CO2 level was up to 16 times today's level. The CO2 level has been higher than present for most most of the time since the Hadean period.
aver muradinNovember 1, 2014 12:48 am
the title should really read : UN prepares release of “lies of ” climate change study
BlathraNovember 1, 2014 12:20 am
So this is all made up http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/ http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/land-ice/ And why do all these insitutions agree with AGW? http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php
Hoss HossOctober 31, 2014 11:50 pm
who's paying for this nonsense, who's organizing it? Who has the most to gain from all these carbon counting scams?
Randy LeeOctober 31, 2014 11:42 pm
gosh I wonder what it will say? I'm all atingle with anticipation! Will it be something new? Something true (that would be a change)? Or just the same ol' crap they have been pushing for the last 20 years. Hmmmmm......wonder which it will be.....here's a thought for the UN.....shut the hell up for a change.
Ram ZheeOctober 31, 2014 11:12 pm
Alleged "Superstorm" Sandy was not even at hurricane strength when it made landfall in 2012.
BillHarryOctober 31, 2014 10:41 pm
There was the late "Global Warming", now replaced by "Climate Change". I am waiting for the "Seasons".
PhlemmingOctober 31, 2014 10:35 pm
Meteorology and Climatology are different. They have far different timescales, different methodologies and different questions. One problem with Leslie Woodcock is that he's never worked on nor published papers about climate science. He is not a renowned expert, although he has published about other subjects. Can you find obscure scientists who support all the denier nonsense. Of course. However, the consensus of climate scientists (97%) believe that man-madeglobal warming is real and serious. Why do you focus on some obscure contrarian rather than looking at the consensus?
JaiOctober 31, 2014 10:35 pm
The earth is already warmer than it has been for the last 135,000 years, according to peer reviewed science. The IPCC report will show that we have already locked in as much warming in the next 40 years as we have had in the last 40 years. From the depths of the last ice age to today we have only experienced about 5 degrees C of globally averaged warming. The medieval warming period was a regional event, not a global one. The droughts of the western united states and brazil are already reshaping u.s. water consumption and food production trends. The sockpuppets paid by oil and coal industry hacks will continue to lie all they want but it doesn't change the fact that global warming is real and, as the U.S. Pentagon has declared this month, is a real national security threat right now. These sock puppets will claim that the pentagon doesn't know what it is talking about. This is because they are, absolutely, un-American.
PhlemmingOctober 31, 2014 10:20 pm
Wrong, wrong, and more wrong. The IPCC reports are generated by both governmental and allied private Scientists. There has been no "Pause" and I suspect that you can't provide a citation from a reputable organization to prove that there has been a "pause". Logical refutation of that nonsense clam can be found at skepticalscience dot com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm. And since you don't have credentials applicable to Climatology, you should be cautious in your assertions.
PhlemmingOctober 31, 2014 10:09 pm
Well said.
PhlemmingOctober 31, 2014 10:09 pm
Not true on a global basis
PhlemmingOctober 31, 2014 10:07 pm
Climatology Credentials are necessary for you to be able to discuss the subject rationally and intelligently. it is a fact that the Greenland and Arctic ice sheets have been undergoing very rapid melting. it is also true that the Western Antarctic ice shelves have been and are in the process of rapid collapse. It is true that the acidity of the oceans has increased and is increasing rapidly. On climatic time scales warming has not paused. You of all people should know how sensitive human culture is to climatic change. But outside of a very superficial overview you are unable to intelligently discuss the subject.
Ziv BndOctober 31, 2014 9:20 pm
Because we have never had diseases, droughts or typhoons before. And the fact that the past 10 years has seen fewer hurricanes than any ten year period in recorded history? Happenstance, no doubt. The world is getting warmer at a very slow pace and has been doing so since 1860. Does CO2 have something to do with it? Probably in part, but there are other factors at play and trying to slow global warming by impoverishing the world through CO2 cuts is a fools game.
Ziv BndOctober 31, 2014 9:15 pm
I think the use of the word "incredible" is entirely accurate, albeit unintentionally.
PygmalionOctober 31, 2014 8:41 pm
Anyone see a link between Tuesday's US midterm elections and this "urgent" IPCC report? Will Americans ever wake up and see who has their fingers in their checkbooks?
MichMikeOctober 31, 2014 8:27 pm
This is most exciting. I am confident that the UN will point out that the personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population is responsible for more than 33% of ALL U. S. CO2 emissions (their personal behavior results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the actual average / person). No doubt the UN will point out that were this group to only emit 25 TIMES the average / person, OVERALL U. S. CO2 emissions would immediately drop 17%. One could speculate that the UN will also make the point that many of this small group propose and promote CO2 emission reduction plans that allow them to continue to be THE problem. The UN will chastise this group for being THE problem which of course will lead the UN to admit that the entire AGW issue is a giant scam OR that this small group is willfully destroying the planet quickly. I cannot wait in anticipation.
PhlemmingOctober 31, 2014 8:24 pm
Mac, you are totally out of your depth.
PhlemmingOctober 31, 2014 8:22 pm
What? were are all the Deniers? Since the consensus appears to be that AGW is the reality, the onus shifts to the Deniers to prove their assertions
socalpaOctober 31, 2014 8:08 pm
What Drivel ! Science does not use the term "unequivocal" . Especially to describe a "forecast scenario" ! - This is clearly a document intended and created by governments and For governments to Justify a Revenue Grab . - The Whole World sees thru this and has or will Reject it.
John MurrayOctober 31, 2014 8:01 pm
But I guarantee you it does not explain how they intend to CONTROL the climate because without control you cannot achieve your goal - which apparently is to stop global warming. After all if you don't stop it then all you are doing is kicking the can down the road instead of focusing your efforts on dealing with the changes. Yet NO ONE is willing to explain how they plan to establish a static climate (something never seen on Earth before) that is neither warming or cooling or exactly what that mythical climate is supposed to look like. Who exactly will benefit and who will lose in this static climate? Again, no one is willing to answer these questions - mainly because they CAN'T!
Forbin ProjectOctober 31, 2014 7:56 pm
There's nothing neutral coming out of the IPCC, governments or the media, heavy handed is an under statement.
Forbin ProjectOctober 31, 2014 7:52 pm
How about opportunities for people, especially common people??
ObserverOctober 31, 2014 7:48 pm
Poland did not "win" anything. It confirmed its consent to be put into a straightjacket after a certain date. Incidentally, Poland's emissions are a small fraction of those of Germany or Russia, and an infinitesmal fraction of those of China. It is like asking those whose share is one hundredth of a percent to lower emissions. A lost cause, even if there had been one (which is doubtful to begin with).
jeffOctober 31, 2014 7:30 pm
Read the report or the article. The report is a political document with political goals. If you want to know the politics of the UN, look at the politics of the large majority of its members.
Jim ShanksOctober 31, 2014 7:28 pm
I'm sure the study will be filled with sensational predictions, fantastic political stunts and unbelievable conclusions. Just like all good science fiction.
Tom TerrificOctober 31, 2014 7:09 pm
We, as a species, are in the unique situation, of not only being able to witness, but also being the cause of our own EXINCTION!
jesOctober 31, 2014 7:07 pm
The UN is just plain nuts! yes we have climate change, no it is not man made. We have been on earth for a mil-second of time. Tell me do you really believe we have any affect on climate change. It is just one more way to get your money! All people who believe in man made climate change please give the UN all your money. People who think it is BS keep your hard earned money.....problem solved!!
Robin_GuenierOctober 31, 2014 7:03 pm
Interesting headline: 'incredible' means impossible to believe.
Michael HapgoodOctober 31, 2014 7:01 pm
From Copenhagen.To Peru, to Paris. All expenses paid. Free booze, and food nicest hotels.Pretty good gig. Just make up stuff and get paid for it.
TerraceOctober 31, 2014 6:49 pm
“I think that any IPCC report from the U.N. has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence.” - Dr. Richard Lindzen atmospheric physicist and Professor of Meteorology…So you libtards keep following your stupid little political hack Owlgore and keep bowing down to your U.N. masters.............
GuyBBOctober 31, 2014 6:44 pm
Rising sea levels? OK, I'll bite. Where? When? How much? Oh, you say every prediction so far has been wrong, but that you've got it right this time? Meh, I don't believe you. Why should I? All this protestation of science is naught but a smokescreen. The "science" is not only unproven, but completely off. So, just keep your pet politicians out of it! Thanks in advance!
Science OfficerOctober 31, 2014 5:14 pm
I guess the mounting evidence of man made global warming, is something you really can't take to the bank, after all.....
DMNOctober 31, 2014 4:31 pm
I will answer for phleming. What credentials do you have to make such a statement?
DMNOctober 31, 2014 4:29 pm
What climatology credentials do you have to give such an opinion?
DMNOctober 31, 2014 4:26 pm
How clever? However, my comment was not on climatology but on the 95% confidence interval. And yes I am a scientist.
Latimer AlderOctober 31, 2014 3:48 pm
So you guys have spent 25 year haranguing and harumphing and declaring and directing and threatening and fining and conferring and diploming about 'climate change'. And the nett result of all this hot air has been precisely nothing. I hope you feel your time has been well spent. Others might judge you have just been 'spitting' in the wind
MacDaddy12345October 31, 2014 3:33 pm
meteorology is the basis of climatology...Dr. Leslie Woodcock, emeritus professor at the University of Manchester (UK) School of Chemical Engineering and Analytical Science, is a former NASA scientist and one of many scientists that have spoken out against AGW...there is no consensus and any cooling or warming is regulated by the sun and the oceans, not by man.
MacDaddy12345October 31, 2014 3:24 pm
It is just about relevant to AGW as any IPCC report...especially since there has been no warming in over 18 years and even your blessed AGW prophets are starting to admit that the present cooling period may last another 20 to 30 years. All warming and cooling is natural and matches that of the ancient warming and cooling periods before industrialization.
MacDaddy12345October 31, 2014 3:19 pm
Phlemming, why do you think climatology credentials are necessary to see that the IPCC and all Warmists, for that matte,r have not made a single prediction that has come to pass? As for Climatology credentials, I have history credentials and part of history is understanding how climate affected ancient cultures. I had to take courses on that subject (paleoclimatology) and continue to read papers by historians, paleoclimatologists, astronomers ans such.
Science OfficerOctober 31, 2014 2:48 pm
Could they spare a few winter coats and hats for those of us shoveling snow and freezing in the Colonies?
PygmalionOctober 31, 2014 1:29 pm
The prompt says, "Be the first to comment" But beware, if your comment does not toe the line and agree completely with the story, blatant censorship awaits you. I would love to look into the eyes of the self-satisfied person who deletes this comment, probably truly believing that suppression of all discussion makes the world a better place...
PygmalionOctober 31, 2014 12:28 pm
Is mid 60's really "frightfully hot" then? Will most species simply die out if the temperature reaches 70°F for a few minutes? It's true that October has been a few degrees above average in northern Europe this year, but nothing exceptional, particularly following the coldest July AND August since 1958! Temperatures vary - that's not a change.
Christopher ShawOctober 31, 2014 9:55 am
Has the apocalypse begun? I would be worried, except experts tell me climate change won't be dangerous until the planet warms by an average of 2 degrees.
David LewisOctober 31, 2014 6:52 am
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change politicians have written many “abolish doubt in climate” reports. These are normally released just before major negotiations such as Lima next month. The timing is one indication that these are political reports. The up coming report is as flawed a previous ones and will have little impact. This political report will list extreme climate as being caused by man made climate change. However, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change scientists report says these are not increasing. The U.S. NOAA and expert testimony for the U.S. congress says the same thing. The inaccuracy of this report really shows when it makes the claim that there would be an adverse impact on crop yields. We know this is wrong because of the medieval and Roman warming periods, one of which was 4 degrees C warmer than today. These were periods of prosperity and abundant food. Species extinction is another political fabrication that will be in the report. The earth is in a cool period. The 3 hottest years in the past 100 years are cooler than 88% of the years in the past 10,000 years. A warming planet brings the earth back to climate that our ecosystems evolved in so this is beneficial. We do have species extinctions but this is cause by excessive human pollution. The 95% certainty that the report will contain wasn’t based on any analysis or polling. It was quite literally picked out of thin air by the politicians to support their agendas. The report will contain predictions of significant temperature increases. Yet, despite dramatic increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide, we have had no warming in 18 years. The computer climate models clearly do not work. Fortunately enough people do know the flaws in this report to prevent expensive deals from being made at international conferences. This is especially true of the United States where polls show that climate change is at very bottom of issues that people care about.
StanleyOctober 31, 2014 6:40 am
Sounds like more lies and no proof. First validate the problem then work on a solution. The solution may be worse than the problem.
tmalthus2010October 31, 2014 6:40 am
Q - What kind of scientific degree does Danish Minister for Climate, Energy, and Buildings Rasmus Helveg-Petersen hold? A - He doesn't. He's a career politician who majored in journalism.
LibertyIsBetterOctober 31, 2014 5:33 am
Okay, every guess right now what this new study will say...the study to end all debate. How can you even say that before it is released? This issue is wonderful for the Left. If the world gets colder you say your plan worked. If it stays the same you say it is working. If it gets warmer you must do more. No matter what happens short of a sudden onset ice age, you win. You get money, power and new loyal bureaucracies.
LibertyIsBetterOctober 31, 2014 5:30 am
These are leftists first, climate activists second. The problem for leftists is always always too much freedom (free markets, capitalism, voluntary exchange) and not enough control. Just another ten percent of your income, 100,000 new pages of rules and a few million new police-bureaucrats and we can get it done. When it doesn't work the problem will still be not enough money, not enough power, not enough police. It is always that way. Look at any other government program. Te dirtiest countries are the most autocratic with the least economic freedom. Klein and her ilk are economic morons who jump the climate bandwagon because it promises unlimited power as far as the eye can see.
VictorOctober 31, 2014 4:41 am
You've hit on the basic problem with the "science" behind the "global warming" certainties. AGW is not a falsifiable theory, thus not really science. As you say, if temperatures cool off after any effort to reduce emissions, this will be seen as evidence of success. If they warm, then "of course," more efforts will be needed. No room for falsification of the theory justifying all the sacrifices, regardless of what happens. We just have to take their word for it that we're doing "the right thing". And as far as money is concerned, any meaningful effort to cut emissions is going to raise the costs of heating, transportation and food considerably, and contribute to large scale unemployment. The "most vulnerable" will be the ones who suffer the most from this arrangement, but I see nothing in the provisions to assist them with what will be truly draconian cost of living increases. Many will simply either freeze or starve before any of the feared effects of global warming kick in -- if they ever do kick in, which I seriously doubt.
OffyatreeOctober 31, 2014 3:27 am
Article conveniently omitted to mention that Malta has the highest population density in Europe and one of the highest in the world. Also, significantly, Malta is almost completely devoid of natural resources. At the same time the powers in Brussels are intent on increasing the population of Malta by foisting upon that tiny country the obligation of settling anyone claiming asylum from neighbouring Africa and the Middle East. Madness!
Cris CassityOctober 31, 2014 3:09 am
Unless the winters keep getting colder and summers milder like most have experienced.
Harr DriverOctober 31, 2014 12:40 am
It's not the intentions of ice-age deniers we have to live with, it's the consequences.
BetawelderOctober 31, 2014 12:05 am
Warmist, at how many parts per million of CO2 will the earths environment collapse. Lets see you fools put a number or a range on when this happens. No more vague predictions about what might happen in 50 t0 100 years, tell me how many parts per million is going to put us over the top. I bet I will die of old age before I get an answer. After 40 years of their clap trap "research" they will never draw the line.
VictorOctober 30, 2014 9:30 pm
is that your argument for doing nothing? poor argument
PhlemmingOctober 30, 2014 9:12 pm
"Climate Change" is not the issue. Accelerated Climate Change is. and the real joke is when you tell everybody what your Climatology Credentials are. No Credentials, No Credibility.
PhlemmingOctober 30, 2014 9:09 pm
RHO, Still at it? Now tell all the people in this group just what Climatology Credentials you have. You have none and you have no credibility on the subject of AGW.
PhlemmingOctober 30, 2014 9:07 pm
Better check again. The Weather Channel just torpedoed Colman. Coleman isn't a Scientist and Meteorology is not Climatology.. And what Climatology Credentials do you possess to have a germane opinion on the subject?
PhlemmingOctober 30, 2014 9:05 pm
And how is this relevant to AGW?
PhlemmingOctober 30, 2014 9:04 pm
Wrong, wrong and more wrong. And what Climatology Credentials do you possess to have a germane opinion on the subject?
PhlemmingOctober 30, 2014 9:04 pm
john, not true. reducing the carbon foot print that exists because of inefficient use of fossil fuels does not equal giving up modern life. Replanting destroyed rain forests, movement to renewable are a start. An examination of what we really need to maintain and improve a standard if living just might entail a de-emphasis of materialism that you probably equate with a modern life style.
PhlemmingOctober 30, 2014 9:00 pm
Mac, And what Climatology Credentials do you possess to have a germane opinion on the subject?
PhlemmingOctober 30, 2014 8:59 pm
Anti-Science Officer, And what Climatology Credentials do you possess to have a germane opinion on the subject? How would you go about validating the veracity of any presented model. You want such a model, easy. Plug existing data covering your span and then dump it out. It is useless but fulfills your criteria.
PhlemmingOctober 30, 2014 8:56 pm
Barry, And what Climatology Credentials do you possess to have a germane opinion on the subject?
PhlemmingOctober 30, 2014 8:55 pm
DMN, And what Climatology Credentials do you possess to have a germane opinion on the subject?
PhlemmingOctober 30, 2014 8:55 pm
And what Climatology Credentials do you possess to have a germane opinion on the subject?
Jamie ThomsonOctober 30, 2014 8:41 pm
The denialists don't seem to understand that it is the rate in which anthopogenic carbon is entering the atmosphere that is the issue. Certainly there are uncertainties to the predictive models, but given the complexity of a system that contains amplifying feedback loops, they have been remarkably robust. We are running out of time. Lets start acting like adults and do what is right: we must increasingly leave underground carbon, unconsumed.
Jamie ThomsonOctober 30, 2014 8:34 pm
are you a scientist? What is your Ph.D in exactly...your point is as ridiculous as asking the English if BP should clean up after their oil spill.
GetrealOctober 30, 2014 7:53 pm
AGW has already produced many idiots and morons who have climate change on the brain. It has certainly lowered the IQ of those who try blame everything negative on climate change. I guess they think it is job security. Only those afflicted with mindless gullibility believe all these bogus headlines.
Science OfficerOctober 30, 2014 2:59 pm
Another excellent investment opportunity for China.....
Christopher ShawOctober 30, 2014 2:37 pm
This 'internationally agreed' framing of the 2 degree death sentence'; no one asked me. In fact, no one ever asked the public. Should we start framing it correctly 'the target agreed by global power elites'?
DMNOctober 30, 2014 2:35 pm
I like that 95% percent certainty that the humans are the cause of agw. That is the funniest claim.
NeoOctober 30, 2014 2:31 pm
It is also possible that climate change could create gangs of road warriors who dress-up in funny costumes and run around the 'outback' of Australia.
Barry MooreOctober 30, 2014 1:54 pm
So after 26 years and 5 assessment reports the IPCC still can not reference a true scientific paper defining in accordance with the laws of physics how a change in CO2 can affect global temperatures. All they have are computer manipulated temperature records and computer models all of which can be skewed to prove anything they want to satisfy their political objectives.
Ger AnonoOctober 30, 2014 11:58 am
Also, can you please provide credible evidence proving that Nick Grealy wants to frack London?
Ger AnonoOctober 30, 2014 11:57 am
In order to avoid sharing the Torygraph article on the same study which has a much more attention-grabbing headline, would it be possible for RTCC to come up with a better headline?
LibertyIsBetterOctober 30, 2014 7:40 am
So we get Boko Haram with climate stability and more Boko Haram with climate change? Really? That's the two choices?
Mark RichardsonOctober 30, 2014 5:08 am
According to some climate scientists our remaining carbon budget is already gone. This piece was written Climate Code Red's David Spratt back in May which shows in-depth why our carbon budget is already blown. http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-real-budgetary-emergency-and-the-myth-of-burnable-carbon.html Here is a follow-up post that Spratt made on his own website: http://www.climatecodered.org/2014/06/carbon-budgets-climate-sensitivity-and.html#more Wouldn't that be a bummer if Spratt was even half right, as others like Michael Mann have also suggested, who is calling for us (meaning our planet) to breach the 2 C warming limit by 2036 (which means that it is already too late to prevent), and 2.5 C by 2044, (which means that we would have to cut global GHG emissions by 80-90% within 5 years). http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-will-cross-the-climate-danger-threshold-by-2036/ Even the US National Climate Assessment is calling for 2.4 C worth of warming by 2055, (after you refigure their oddball baseline temperature and reconcile their findings with the standard "Pre-Industrial Age" temperature standard in regular use by the vast majority of world climate science). The US NCA uses a non-standard 1970-1999 average temperature as its oddball baseline so to that just add 0.4 C to come up with the same standard result in-use by the balance of world climate science. Let's say that the US NCA is right. In order to hold global climate change to an average temperature rise of 2.4 C from 1880, we have to reduce global GHG emissions by 80-90% by 2025-2030. Any more questions about how much of a remaining carbon budget that remains please contact the above authors. Frankly it is a bit frightening when Michael Mann's findings and those of the US-NCA only have a difference of 11 years and 0.1 C, and also when David Spratt's findings virtually mirror those of the US-NCA too.
disqus_wZkE07Ij96October 30, 2014 4:27 am
The ides of March have come but not gone!
odin2October 30, 2014 4:00 am
@RTCC: Can't stand the truth about global warming?
disqus_wZkE07Ij96October 30, 2014 3:47 am
Evidence presented by climate change deniers: (1)increasing area of Antarctic sea ice and (2) more snow during winter in the US Midwest. Evidence presented by climate change affirmers: (1) spread of dengue and ebola, (2) drought in California, Central Asia, etc; (3) supertyphoons in the Philippines; (4) rising sea levels in Pacific islands. The increased area covered with snow in Antarctica is reportedly accompanied by reduced land-based ice. The area increased but the height decreased; thus, total volume (area x height) is reduced. The increased amount of snow during winter in the US Midwest can be explained by increased water vapor in the global atmosphere; thus, when winter comes and wind direction accumulates the vapor, there is so much to turn into snow in some parts of the world like the US Midwest. When summer comes, there is so much water to cause floods. On the climate weighing scale, I am convinced the balance tips in favor of climate change affirmers.
odin2October 30, 2014 3:40 am
There is no empirical evidence that CO2 is the primary cause of atmospheric global warming. Catastrophic global warming primarily caused by CO2 emissions is based on an unproven theory and computers which overemphasize CO2's role in climate change and de-emphasize the role of clouds, solar and ocean cycles. These computers have been notoriously wrong almost all of the time (when compared to real world data) and have been compared to a sports team that played the entire season without winning a game. During the last ice age CO2 levels fell to 180 ppm and plants started to shut down. If CO2 levels had reached 150 ppm or lower, plants would have died off and all plant and animal life on the planet would have died. We currently have global CO2 levels at just under 400 ppm. Green houses regularly keep CO2 concentrations at 1000-1200 ppm because the plants grow better. In the past, CO2 levels have been at several thousand parts per million and plants and animals thrived. US submarines try to keep CO2 levels below 8,000 ppm. Federal OSHA standards set CO2 maximums at 5,000 ppm. We are much closer to being CO2 deprived than we are being threatened by too much atmospheric CO2. The world has not experienced atmospheric global warming in the past 18 years despite a dramatic increase in atmospheric CO2 levels during this period. If CO2 was a direct primary cause of global warming, we would have experienced global warming during the 18 year pause. We did not. Climate change is natural and has been occurring since the formation of the planet. The 18 year pause just proves that the skeptics were right all along-natural causes of climate change are more powerful than the insubstantial effects that human generated CO2 has on the world's climate. The hysterics' alarms over CO2 causing catastrophic global warming have been described accurately as the flea wagging the dog. Blaming Boko Haram on global warming is bizarre and unscientific- but very political. Cold temperatures will lead to crop failures and much more unrest and violence.
disqus_wZkE07Ij96October 30, 2014 3:39 am
and where can we review this scientific research?
Virgilio S Perdigon jrOctober 30, 2014 3:11 am
Evidence presented by climate change deniers: increasing area of Antarctic sea ice and more snow during winter in the US. Evidence presented by climate change affirmers: spread of dengue and ebola; drought in California, Central Asia, etc; supertyphoons in the Philippines; rising sea levels in Pacific islands. The increased area covered with snow in Antarctica is reportedly accompanied by reduced land-based ice. The area increased but the height decreased; thus, total volume (area x height) is reduced. The increased amount of snow during winter in the US can be explained by increased water vapor in the global atmosphere; thus, when winter comes and wind direction accumulates the vapor, there is so much to turn into snow in some parts of the world like the US. When summer comes, there is so much water to cause floods. On the climate weighing scale, I am convinced the balance tips in favor of climate change affirmers.
Science OfficerOctober 30, 2014 3:03 am
Could someone please name for me, one computer climate model which actually matches the temperature record of the twentieth century, and the last twenty years.....just one?
MacDaddy12345October 30, 2014 1:58 am
Maybe this time they might actually get a prophesy right, so far they are 0 for 10000.
JohnOctober 30, 2014 1:46 am
Why don't we all just kill ourselves now. There is absolutely no solution unless everyone agrees to give up modern life.
David LewisOctober 30, 2014 1:40 am
This Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports are being written by its politicians who have political agendas to support. It is very different than what its scientists have reported. Take the issue of extreme weather. The scientists report says these are not increasing. The U.S. NOAA and expert testimony for the U.S. congress says the same thing. The 95% certainty wasn’t based on any analysis or polling. It was quite literally picked out of thin air by the politicians, again, so support their agendas. The inaccuracy of this report really shows when it makes the claim that there would be an adverse impact on crop yields. We know this is wrong because of the medieval and Roman warming periods, one of which was 4 degrees C warmer than today. These were periods of prosperity and abundant food. Species extinction is another political fabrication. The earth is in a cool period. The 3 hottest years in the past 100 years are cooler than 88% of the years in the past 10,000 years. A warming planet brings the earth back to climate that our ecosystems evolved in so this is beneficial. We do have species extinctions but this is cause by excessive human pollution. It is also recognized that the computer climate models have excessive sensitivity to carbon dioxide built into them. One indication is we have had a dramatic increase in CO2 with no warming for 18 years. The predicted temperatures increases just are not going to happen even if we do nothing.
Richard EklundOctober 30, 2014 1:14 am
If you want to read fiction, try The Hobbit, very entertaining and much more believable. Want to learn about government run amok? Try Atlas Shrugged.
czechlistOctober 30, 2014 12:57 am
Rebellion would never have anything to do with repressive governments and religious fanaticism would it? Nah. It's gotta be AWG. Silly me. Free the people and empower them solve their problems and things will change.
Engineer66October 30, 2014 12:40 am
The Weather Channel guy just torpedoed the climate change agenda...it's fake.
RHO1953October 30, 2014 12:40 am
If you are going to read science fiction, I suggest something more entertaining and plausible.
Keith OliverOctober 30, 2014 12:18 am
Unfortunately, those that have vested interests will not care. They're the ones that only look at profits and if they see something that gets in the way of making those profits are the ones that will be in total denial.
ppiaseckOctober 30, 2014 12:16 am
unequivocal’ evidence of climate change in every part of the world, its been going on for billions of years, don't need some over paid idiot from the UN to tell us that, as far as 95%, that is where the real joke comes in, they just want to control the masses, tax the rich countries and funnel the rest to the poor countries after they take their cut..........
Martin MayberryOctober 29, 2014 11:36 pm
Preach the truth and shame the DEVIL! you did a good job!
paasingbyOctober 29, 2014 11:20 pm
'Drought, famine and crop failures could destabilize 32 countries in Africa and Asia, warn risk analysts' Anything "could" happen, but it probably wont.
paasingbyOctober 29, 2014 10:40 pm
Well looking at the way Israel has already greened their desert, and if Africa follows their techniques and goes back to using its own indigenous, highly nutritious , drought resistant plants there should not be such a problem.
Science OfficerOctober 29, 2014 8:46 pm
We'll never be able to save the world, until we all agree to give up our freedom and live in poverty. What's wrong with that?
jamie thomsonOctober 29, 2014 8:35 pm
Congress, whose job it is to ratify treaties and make laws has dropped the ball for about 30 years. Each year they kick the can down the road, makes fixing the problem of anthropogenic carbon additions to the atmosphere that much more difficult. Anyone involved with risk exposure and cost benefit analysis can see that we must start aggressively implementing carbon reduction strategies.
Elven ShamanOctober 29, 2014 8:07 pm
no comments because it is down right stupid
GuyBBOctober 29, 2014 7:57 pm
Well, I guess I didn't realize that the modeling of social, geopolitical and economics was so advanced. What is the DOW going to do over the next 20 years? Idiotic self fulfilling prophecy.
Antonia LeitãoOctober 29, 2014 6:29 pm
Please Ikea sell your kits in Portugal as well,why Not ? We have a wonderfull and proven Sunlight and your Prices and know how are incredible
Robin_GuenierOctober 29, 2014 5:46 pm
Megan: what makes you think the EU has any 'credibility as a climate leader'? See my comments here: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/10/23/road-to-paris-eu-2030-climate-package-holds-key-to-un-deal
barry drakeOctober 29, 2014 7:50 am
You have just as much idea as the "scientists"
Jonathan KendrickOctober 29, 2014 5:12 am
A quick climate fact: So far, 2014 has been the coldest year on record in the north-east US.
Wu JoongOctober 29, 2014 3:44 am
Great Article!
HaydenGOctober 29, 2014 2:07 am
actually it looks like they are about to be rewarded with the senate. NASA's job is space, not climate change.
CartoonmickOctober 29, 2014 12:09 am
The major problem has never really changed. It's the deniers with authority. They are the ones who need to listen to the scientists instead of influential Big Biz. Cartoon refers . . . . http://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-775 Cheers Mick
IsaiahdolanOctober 28, 2014 7:51 pm
Mr. Pachauri, has the snow disappeared from the Himalayas ( Sanskrit word literally meaning, "abode of the snow") as you predicted?
napiersabreOctober 28, 2014 4:15 pm
This is worse than the indulgences’ of the Middle Ages. It’s a reverse “Robin Hood” where do-gooders pretend they are saving mankind from themselves but are in fact robing them blind by stealth. All these so call top investors will not exist in 50 years as western civilization will cease to exist. What these idiots fail to understand is what create western civilisation. It was cheap and abundant energy. These fools are set to destroy the very foundation of their wealth. There can’t be too many people left on planet earth apart from those in the political bubble that still believe in Man Made Global Warming. Certainly any scientist worth their salt and not in the pay of government will tell you the science is false. Most engineering type never believed it because it just doesn’t make sense. And given 95 % of life on earth relies first and foremost on CO2 it would be extraordinary if it turned out to be harmful in the way it is being portrayed. This is quite apart from the ignored fact that radiative forcing breaks the second law of thermodynamics. Science is simple, if you can measure it you believe it, if you can’t measure it its not happening. We can’t measure radiative forcing; therefore it’s not happening, which makes perfect scientific sense.
Roberta CrichtonOctober 28, 2014 6:31 am
We don't have to live with the intentions of ice-age deniers, we have to live with the consequences.
Will HaasOctober 28, 2014 1:28 am
Reality is that the climate change we have been experiencing is typical of the climate change that has been taking place for the past 10K years. It is caused by the sun and the oceans and man does not have the power to change it. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate. There is no such evidence in the paleoclimate record. The Primary greenhouse gas in the Earth's atmosphere is H2O and it provides ample negative feedbacks to mitigate the effects that changes in other greenhouse gases might have on climate. There are many good reasons to be conserving on the use of fossil fuels but AGW is not one of them.
Robin_GuenierOctober 27, 2014 6:51 pm
Throughout her book, Ms Klein asserts that '97 percent of climate scientists' support her claim that, because of man-made global warming, the world is heading 'toward catastrophic levels of warming' (see in particular page 58). Yet neither of the studies she cites (endnote 8 on page 467) as authority for her assertion (Doran 2009 and Anderegg 2010) actually say that: http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/WrittenEvidence.svc/EvidenceHtml/4191. So the basic message of her book (we're all doomed unless we change our ways) is predicated on an unsubstantiated assertion.
KirtGriffinOctober 26, 2014 10:25 pm
“A lot of doubts about climate change that skeptics have tried to raise have pretty much been quelled – they have turned attention to the policy not science – which is a consequence of these three reports.” Mr. Jacobs is entirely out of touch with reality. Is the Antarctic setting records for sea ice policy? Is the Solar impact and predicted solar minimum policy? Is the deep oceans actually cooling some, policy? Is the recent growth in Arctic sea ice policy? Is the 18 year "pause" in warming policy? Is the data tampering scandal at NOAA and NASA policy? Is the exaggerated CO2 climate sensitivity policy? Fred Singer has a recent article showing what many have determined, that the climate's sensitivity is essentially zero. Has the recent 42% decrease in the rate of sea level rise policy? Morner's papers indicate a zero SLR. Is that policy? Climate advisers deal with policy, not the skeptics I know. Ignoring the state of the planet in a scientific discussion of climate demonstrates pseudo-science. When the chicken littles evaluate all of the data and come to a reasoned respomse maybe we can talk.,
Science OfficerOctober 26, 2014 4:12 pm
They're certainly taking this dire threat to the entire world and human civilization seriously, aren't they?
Rob SparrowOctober 26, 2014 1:44 pm
I hope the report states that all the computer models have great uncertainties and have been unable to adequately model the current hiatus. Neither are they capable of truly modeling the effects of cloud albedo nor ocean currents. As such any policy decisions made based on these models are inherently prone to gross errors. In addition it would be useful if they would publish the scientific proof of the hypothesis that global warming is intimately linked to carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere.
Devon ShireOctober 26, 2014 1:21 pm
So in other words, governments are coercing scientists to say what they want them to say.
StanleyOctober 26, 2014 12:42 pm
The real climate risks are the regulations required to try and control it. The science hasn't been validated yet. Governments should be preparing to move people back from the oceans and getting ready for the next ice age. Both are possibilities.
Fargo WellsOctober 26, 2014 6:07 am
The story of man-made global warming is a story of science fiction. Other than measurements here and there, there's nothing scientific about it.
Amy DunneOctober 25, 2014 12:07 pm
Those who conjure up the false narrative of man-made global-warming are really only interested in exploiting the gullible.
Robin_GuenierOctober 24, 2014 10:04 pm
The idea that 'the Chinese ... are ahead of us on renewable deployment" is quite absurd. Take wind power where China is focusing most of its renewable investment. Yes, that investment seems substantial - until you consider China’s immense size. By the same token, it's far, far ahead of us on coal imports, production and consumption. This graph puts matters into perspective: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Electricity_Production_in_China.svg. In 2012, China had 61 GW of installed wind capacity. Yet that was only about 2% of total electricity output: http://www.energy-enviro.fi/index.html Today, it's about 75 GW. Given its current growth, that would contribute the same share - 2%. Reported investment in wind is supposed to bring installed capacity up to nearly 200 GW by 2020. But, even if that were achieved (unlikely), for the same reason (growth), that would still account for a tiny share of electricity production – perhaps 3.5%. Yet the UK already gets about 7% of its electricity from wind – and no one regards that as particularly remarkable. In other words, in relation to its size, China is increasing its investment in wind from hardly any to not very much. 'Ahead of us'? I don't think so. PS: perhaps you'd prefer to look at it from a European perspective? OK - consider Europe's investment in wind power - especially in Denmark and Spain for example - and the idea that China's current 2% contribution or even its potential 3.5% (by 2020!) is 'ahead of us' is particularly risible.** No - the polite description of that idea is that it's nonsense : ). ** http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/images/7/74/EU-28_Electricity_production_by_source%2C_2013_%28in%25%29.png
Pluto's MoonOctober 24, 2014 9:38 pm
Exactly ...
Robin_GuenierOctober 24, 2014 6:11 pm
But hang on - I thought 'the standoff in current negotiations in Bonn 'could change with a strong message from Brussels': http://www.rtcc.org/2014/10/23/road-to-paris-eu-2030-climate-package-holds-key-to-un-deal. Yet, despite a deal that 'sets Europe on an ambitious yet cost-effective climate and energy path' (http://www.rtcc.org/2014/10/24/eu-adopts-co2-cutting-target-of-at-least-40-by-2030/#sthash.sOJ19I57.dpuf), we now learn that 'a week of interim discussions in Bonn returned no conclusions'. Something wrong surely?
Robin_GuenierOctober 24, 2014 6:04 pm
And so it proved: despite a deal that 'sets Europe on an ambitious yet cost-effective climate and energy path' (http://www.rtcc.org/2014/10/24/eu-adopts-co2-cutting-target-of-at-least-40-by-2030/#sthash.sOJ19I57.dpuf), 'a week of interim discussions in Bonn returned no conclusions' ; http://www.rtcc.org/2014/10/24/inconclusive-bonn-climate-talks-leave-a-heavy-lima-workload/#sthash.ksDQ1EHo.dpuf
MartinOctober 24, 2014 1:17 pm
That was the most amazing speech I've ever seen - wow wow wow
Steve RogersOctober 24, 2014 5:51 am
According to recent scientific research, the West Antarctica Ice Sheet (WAIS) is actually thickening.
PolishLoveOctober 23, 2014 9:33 pm
Development of clean coal technologies could be the Polish love. As Buzek said some time ago 'Poland should be the leader of clean coal technologies in Europe" WasteHeat SECoal NewMat http://bit.ly/1FIDDnC
steve smythOctober 23, 2014 6:56 pm
not going to happen... http://shorelineearth.blogspot.com take a look...calm down...
Science OfficerOctober 23, 2014 6:29 pm
The four steps, take the money up front. If it starts getting cooler, claim it's working. If it starts to get warmer, claim we're not paying enough. And finally, don't forget, get the money up front.
Jack LindsayOctober 23, 2014 5:22 pm
France should certainly be applauded for committing to reduce fossil fuel use 30% by 2030, but since the vast majority of fossil fuel use there is from automobiles, the idea of reducing their nuclear power facilities is insane. What they could be doing right now is using their vast excesses of nuclear capacity to make fossil fuels (yes, even gasoline and jet fuel) out of water and CO2. Instead they're selling their excess electricity to Germany, Switzerland (which middlemans it to Italy at a higher price) and elsewhere. Sure, the economics of that path make sense, but if you're looking for pioneering on the green path they could at least start a token program to show how that could be done. Given their generating overcapacity, France could be the bellwether in demonstrating the path to zero emissions from energy production. Instead, this ludicrous plan to diminish nuclear in favor of ramping up wind and solar ignores the abundant data from Germany and Denmark that shows the folly of such a move. Hopefully the next government that's elected will reverse these foolish policy decisions before they can be implemented.
Barry MooreOctober 23, 2014 2:35 pm
The so called global average temperature is computed from approximately 1300 land based stations hand picked from the 32000 stations which exist. land covers 29% of the global surface so there is no data for 71% of the globe's surface and this is an accurate average?. No it is a contrived computer generated myth. In addition the technology back in 1880 was vastly different than today, so are we really comparing apples to apples?. The only reliable global temperature comes from the satellites which are never quoted because they refute these propaganda contrived statistics.
Robin_GuenierOctober 23, 2014 2:09 pm
Ed: it seems to me that the idea that the world is waiting for EU leadership on climate policy is out of touch with recent history and with what's happening now. When the developing economies (the ‘Non-Annex I’ countries as defined by the 1992 UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC)) humiliatingly defeated the West at Copenhagen in 2009, the EU wasn’t even involved in the final negotiations – so no 'leadership' there. And the developing economies have been in the driving seat ever since, refusing to change the UNFCCC two-tier system that exempts them from any obligation to make CO2 cuts - the key issue if climate negotiations are to make any real progress. Thus, only a few days ago, the BASIC countries (Brazil, South Africa and China) made it clear they were not interested in changing that position: http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-10-13/news/54970882_1_green-climate-fund-climate-finance-industrialised-countries. Yet, as RTCC itself reported only a few days later, Todd Stern, the US chief negotiator, had said that a continuation of that policy 'would be a deal breaker': http://www.rtcc.org/2014/10/15/us-climate-strategy-goad-leaders-into-voluntary-action/. Where's the evidence that either the BASIC group or Todd Stern are somehow waiting for the EU's leadership on this absolutely crucial matter? There is none. Therefore, the suggestion that the standoff in current negotiations in Bonn 'could change with a strong message from Brussels' seems especially fanciful.
lanalangOctober 23, 2014 11:33 am
It's pretty weird that Paterson's speech got so much media coverage. There was another major speech going on the same evening by Lord Giddens, one of the founders of modern Sociology at the LSE. The queue's went round the block!! Students and loads of young people from outside filled the packed lecture room and there were NO seats available. Giddens is bringing out a major book. Meanwhile, only a few sporadic journalists attended Paterson's speech - barely a normal member of the public in sight. So... Lord Giddens gave a really interesting and well-researched speech about climate change politics = no media coverage. Paterson gives a inflamed and unscientific speech = loads of coverage. Media bias, anyone?
Steve CaseOctober 23, 2014 10:09 am
In order to get to 1.8 meters by 2100 sea level would have to rise at an average rate of nearly 21 mm/yr for the next 86 years. The satellite record kept by Colorado University's Sea Level Research Group says that sea level is rising at a rate of 3.2 mm/yr over the last 21 years. However over the last ten years the rate has slowed to 2.9 mm/yr. One has to wonder when the dramatic increase in the rate necessary to achieve the prediction is going to begin to happen.
CgOctober 23, 2014 7:00 am
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/methane-and-the-risk-of-runaway-global-warming/ From the graphs I've seen, Global Thermal Runaway started in 2006. (Just sayin')
David LewisOctober 23, 2014 6:24 am
NOAA temperature data released in 2013 was very different than their data released in 2009. Almost all of the years before green house gasses began to build up were adjusted to be cooler, and all of the years after the build up were adjust to be warmer. Rigging the temperature data isn’t unique to the United States. The Australian Board of Meteorology (ABM) was forced to admit that it routinely alters the temperatures recorded at all of its official weather stations. These were to make it appear warmer than it actually was. As a result there were may press reports that the temperatures in Australia were the “warmest ever”. There has been no warming for 18 years and the computer climate models have obviously failed. The activists are trying to keep the man made climate change crisis alive by rigging data.
JohnEnglanderOctober 23, 2014 2:48 am
This is a useful article and those quoted are well qualified. Time will tell if their top level estimate of 1.8 meters for the year 2100 is correct. No one can really say with absolute certainty, since we cannot know how warm the planet will get, since we do not know the level of greenhouse gases, which will be greatly affected by levels of energy consumption, and what we do for energy sources (fossil fuels, nuclear, solar, etc.) One depends on the other. Plus, as noted, sea level will not stop rising at 1.8 m (6 ft). In fact, the trends show the opposite. Due to the heat already stored in the ocean, the rate of rise is accelerating, as the two great ice sheets destabilize. That process will almost certainly continue far into the next century. Like compounding interest, that would mean that the rise in sea level in the first decade of the next century will be greater than the last decade of this century. As long as we apply more heat to the system, the ice sheets and glaciers will get smaller. We have enough ice to raise global sea level by 212 feet. There is no reason for any complacency.
Steve CaseOctober 23, 2014 1:24 am
Will sea level rise by 1.8 meters by 2100 as the article says? That requires an average rate of nearly 21 mm/yr for the next 86 years. Currently the rate is no more than 3.2 mm/yr. Colorado University's Sea Level Research Group has kept the satellite generated data for sea level since 1993. That data shows that over the last 21 years the rate of sea level rise shows a negative acceleration rate of 0.03 mm/yr². One has to wonder when this dramatic change in the acceleration rate ramping up to 21 mm/yr is going to begin to happen. Steve Case Milwaukee, WI
Will HuntingOctober 23, 2014 1:05 am
Perhaps the greatest challenge facing mankind is that of distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda, and science from fiction.
SchlibdiverOctober 22, 2014 7:53 pm
Satellite measurements say differently.
jonpdalyOctober 22, 2014 4:58 pm
All you skeptics warm my heart...glad you are here.
grandpaezOctober 22, 2014 4:53 pm
Kentucky on course for coldest year ever.
Earl DeckerOctober 22, 2014 4:42 pm
Don't panic folks! Just another lie from one of our tax funded federal government agencies. There will be more coming from other federal agencies and more frequently as budget deadlines near. Love our lying government agencies. NOT!!!
RPOctober 22, 2014 4:07 pm
I guess the reason for the hottest year in the 1880's was SUVs?
NickOctober 22, 2014 3:09 pm
So much for the mythical "pause" in warming.
John HaganOctober 22, 2014 2:44 pm
It would be nice if, just once in a while, climate scientists would behave like, well...scientists. Statistically there is no difference between the top 5 years. The errors associated with measuring the Earth's temperature are much larger than the difference between those years, so there is no validity to ranking any one of them over the others. In fact, all we really know is that it's been about 1/2 degree warmer during the 21st century than the average years in the 20th century. Adding false precision to their measurements is simply disingenuous. Of course that doesn't mean the CO2 doesn't cause warming. What does seem apparent is that there is no dangerous acceleration of the warming that began in the 1800s, and that the climate sensitivity is at the low end of IPCC estimates.
Paul M RaupOctober 22, 2014 2:34 pm
These articles are sounding as desperate as they are misleading, but you have to consider the source...............
GuyBBOctober 22, 2014 2:05 pm
ZOMG! We are all going to die! Why, yes, all men and women die, but it won't be due to climate change. Hottest year since 1880? By less than a degree. Yet, where is the sudden, dramatic rise in sea levels? You know what? It's simple, ban all construction and repair of buildings that are less than 10' above sea level. See how easy that was? Kind of stupid for the taxpayers to subsidize coastal mansions anyways. Very stupid to rebuild New Orleans below CURRENT sea level.
ernaldinOctober 22, 2014 1:53 pm
I'm melting...melting!...Oh, what a world!!!!
FRANKOKOctober 22, 2014 1:42 pm
NOAA data shows warming is slowing over last 18 years even with large rise in CO2. Wonderful MAMA Nature and her cycles with her honey Mr. Sun, and with water vapor, oceans and volcanoes when she blows her top, and opens methane holes when she has gas - as her home the Earth tilts on its axis. Search: "natural-tilts-earths-axis-ice-ages-harvard-geophysicist"
Science OfficerOctober 22, 2014 1:34 pm
At this rate, it will soon be warm enough for the Vikings to raise crops in Greenland, and the Romans to make wine in Britain......again.
Jim WrightOctober 22, 2014 1:32 pm
Ed...Why write such completely idiotic stories without checking the facts...Getting paid??? That is not journalism, is GLOBAL SCAMMER writing! You ignore the reality of the Oceans have not warmed in 10 years, the planet has not warmed in 20 years or the fact of the lower atmosphere has not warmed in 30 years..Try reading more and not writing garbage because some pays you to write garbage!
markoparOctober 22, 2014 1:31 pm
The Environmental Corruption Agency The lofty motto of the Environmental Protection Agency is "protecting people and the environment." In practice, however, EPA bureaucrats faithfully protect their own people and preserve the government's cesspool of manipulation, cover-ups and cronyism. Just last week, Mark Levin and his vigilant Landmark Legal Foundation went to court to ask federal district judge Royce Lamberth to sanction the EPA "for destroying or failing to preserve emails and text messages that may have helped document suspected agency efforts to influence the 2012 presidential election." The motion is part of a larger Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit to force EPA to release emails and related records from former EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson and others "who may have delayed the release dates for hot-button environmental regulations until after the Nov. 6, 2012, presidential election." Thanks to Levin and Landmark, Jackson and other EPA officials admitted in depositions that they used personal, nongovernmental email accounts to hide communications about official EPA business sent and received on their government-issued BlackBerries and smart phones. The agency has continued to drag its feet for two years in response to Landmark's FOIA requests. Levin minced no words: "The EPA is a toxic waste dump for lawlessness and disdain for the Constitution." Not to mention disdain for the public's right to know. As Levin added: "When any federal agency receives a FOIA request, the statute says it must preserve every significant repository of records, both paper and electronic, that may contain materials that could be responsive to that request." The agency is legally obliged to notify all involved in the suit to preserve everything in their possession that could be discoverable in the litigation. But the feds have bent over backward to delay and deny. "(T)he people at the EPA, from the administrator on down, think they're above the law, that no one has the right to question what or how they do their jobs," Levin blasted. "Well, they're wrong. The laws apply to everyone, even federal bureaucrats." That's a bedrock principle the EPA has defied over and over again. As I first reported 13 corruption-stained years ago in 2001, former EPA head Carol Browner oversaw the destruction of her computer files on her last day in office under the Clinton administration — in clear violation of a judge's order requiring the agency to preserve its records. Browner ordered a computer technician: "I would like my files deleted. I want you to delete my files." In 2003, the agency was held in contempt and fined more than $300,000 in connection with another email destruction incident under Browner's watch. It was Levin's Landmark Legal Foundation — upheld by Judge Lamberth — that held the corruptocrats accountable then, as they are now. As President Obama's energy czar, Browner went on to bully auto execs "to put nothing in writing, ever" regarding secret negotiations she orchestrated on a deal to increase federal Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards. She was also singled out by Obama's own independent oil-spill commission for repeatedly misrepresenting scientists' findings and doctoring data to justify the administration's draconian drilling moratorium. Browner previously had been caught by a congressional subcommittee using taxpayer funds to create and send out illegal lobbying material to more than 100 left-wing environmental organizations. She abused her office to orchestrate a political campaign by liberal groups, who turned around and attacked Republican lawmakers for supporting regulatory reform. The names may change, but the politicized rot stays the same. The GOP staff of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee issued a detailed report this week on the secretive "Billionaire's Club" behind EPA. The analysis exposed how a massive network of left-wing foundations, activists and wealthy donors exploits IRS-approved "charitable" status and tax-deductible donations to lobby illegally on behalf of the EPA and operate a "green revolving door" between government and far-left groups. Among the key players: the Environmental Grantmakers Association, which coordinates green grants and refuses to divulge its membership list to Congress, and Democracy Alliance, the dark-money outfit led by Philip Gara LaMarche that does not disclose its members or donor-recipients. "These entities propagate the false notion that they are independent citizen-funded groups working altruistically," according to the report. "In reality, they work in tandem with wealthy donors to maximize the value of the donors' tax-deductible donations and leverage their combined resources to influence elections and policy outcomes, with a focus on the EPA." Saving the planet? Ha. The leftist-controlled Environmental Corruption Agency is only in business to serve its pals and subvert its political enemies, while endangering resource security and sabotaging the deliberative process. Real environmental protection starts with draining this fetid swamp. Michelle Malkin is the author of "Culture of Corruption: Obama and his Team of Tax Cheats, Crooks and Cronies" (Regnery 2010). Her e-mail address is [email protected]. COPYRIGHT 2014 CREATORS.COM
markoparOctober 22, 2014 1:31 pm
How the EPA ignores the public and science By Tom Harris August 10, 2014 | 6:38pm Modal Trigger How the EPA ignores the public and science The main plant facility at the Navajo Generating Station, as seen from Lake Powell in Page, Ariz. Photo: AP The Environmental Protection Agency ignored both public opinion and science in writing its new economy-slamming regulations restricting carbon-dioxide emissions from power plants. Although EPA head Gina McCarthy testified otherwise before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee last month, the EPA’s public consultations were a sham, clearly designed to give only the results desired by the agency. Notably, none of the EPA’s 11 “public listening sessions” last year on the new rules were in the states that will see the worst electricity-rate hikes under the regulations. The EPA’s more recent public hearings in Atlanta, Denver, Washington and Pittsburgh were stacked, too. The agency let “anti-warming” activists largely crowd out ordinary citizens who might disagree. In Pittsburgh, it even let green groups set up tables and distribute literature in the federal building that hosted the hearing. It seems the EPA didn’t even consult with utilities that actually burn coal to produce electricity. Had it done so, it would realize that the proposal that coal plants increase their combustion efficiency by 5 percent or more is naïve: Utilities will have a tough time beating 1 percent. Nor is the EPA willing to listen to the many scientists who question its “global warming” narrative. While dozens of US officials attended last year’s UN climate conference in Poland, a dog-and-pony show in support of the received wisdom, no one from the Obama administration has ever attended the International Conferences on Climate Change. The last (ninth) ICCC in Las Vegas this July featured presentations from 64 of the world’s leaders in climate science, economics and policy development: Dr. Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama, the recipient of NASA’s Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement and the American Meteorological Society’s Special Award for his satellite-based temperature-monitoring work, explained that scientists know almost nothing about global warming: “We don’t know how strong global warming is, what it’s caused by, whether it makes severe weather worse, when it started, when it will end and whether it’s good or bad.” The science is simply too immature — that’s why the standard “climate change” models can’t explain why global temperatures have been flat for 17 years.  Dr. William Gray, emeritus professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University, one of the world’s foremost experts in tropical meteorology, was even more forthright: “There is no scientific justification for the CO2 global-warming hypothesis. The ocean, not CO2 increase, is the primary driver for climate change.” Dr. Fred Goldberg, director of the Swedish Polar Institute and a leading authority on polar history and exploration, discussed how the extent of Arctic glaciers and sea ice have been highly variable over the past millennium. Though “warmists” have cited some recent retreats in sea ice as evidence of man-caused warming, Goldberg showed that ice retreated dramatically in the 1920s — prompting US Weather Bureau fears of “a radical change in climatic conditions and hitherto unheard-of-temperatures in the Arctic zone.” But temperatures dropped again and the ice came back. By 1977, Goldberg noted, fears of a coming ice age dominated the press. To understand future ice conditions, we need to understand what the sun is doing, he said. Coming to such an understanding is the goal of the research of Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the Space Research Laboratory of the Pulkovo Observatory in St. Petersburg and the 2013 gold medal winner from the European Scientific-Industrial Chamber. Abdussamatov has concluded that we’ll see dangerous global cooling over the next few decades as the sun weakens. Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen of the department of geography at the University of Hull, editor of the journal Energy & Environment and a past expert reviewer for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, summed up the politicization of climate science: “The research agenda involving climate has covered all disciplines and has perverted, undermined and weakened the whole research sector of the Western world.” So McCarthy was spouting nonsense when she told the Senate committee, “If left unchecked, [man-made climate change] will have devastating impacts on the United States and the planet. The science is clear.” No: Serious scientists question virtually every aspect of the climate scare. Indeed, the science is quickly becoming less clear as we learn how complex the system really is. If McCarthy was being sincere when she expressed concern about the welfare of America’s most vulnerable citizens, then she’d welcome input from the world’s leading experts rather than shunning those whose opinions she finds inconvenient. Instead, the EPA is intent on regulations that will drive energy prices through the roof, throwing millions out of work, while having no measurable impact on the environment. Tom Harris is executive director of the Ottawa-based International Climate Science Coalition (climatescienceinternational.org).
Tommy100October 22, 2014 1:30 pm
Do they think we have already forgotten last winter?
jabusseOctober 22, 2014 1:30 pm
So what? Warm is good. Ice belongs in mixed drinks.
Devon ShireOctober 22, 2014 9:17 am
Look, if you're going to lie, at least make it a feasible lie. This is such nonsense, you might as well have said fire-breathing unicorns are destroying the Arctic.
mbee1October 22, 2014 8:14 am
Another is a long line of studies that are factually wrong and junk science. If yiou look at the actual data, the ice low declined from 79 to 1996 then was relativeily constant until 2013 when it started increasing again. In 2013 and 2014 the arctic ice increased slightly above the ice low average. 2012 was an extremely hot year so its ice low was lower than average. The study is cherry picking. If these people had been honest, they would have retracted the paper and updated the results which would have taken all of ten minutes on the computer and ten years to admit their conclusion was wrong..
PsalmonOctober 22, 2014 6:42 am
This lie has been so thoroughly debunked. The PDO shift almost immediately raised temperature in Barrow 7 degrees 30 years ago and since temps have been flat. Again the basic rule of climate lunatics: Use global if someone argues local. Point out local anomalies aka "extreme events" wherever possible, since they always exist.
lloyd godmanOctober 22, 2014 6:12 am
I may be wrong here but paying businesses to cut pollution by AU$2.55 billion is a TAX on ordinary people - simply the money has to come from somewhere and if the Govt is paying then one way or another it comes from TAX! Also I suspect Abbott's motive to plant trees to capture carbon is so they can be cut down in the future to turn a $ - after all this quote tells all. "When I look out tonight at an audience of people who work with timber, who work in forests, I don't see people who are environmental vandals; I see people who are the ultimate conservationists," Abbott March 2014
Earl DeckerOctober 22, 2014 5:32 am
WOW! Sure looks like it is really melting with the snow all over the place in the photo. Real hysterical!!! HaHaHa
Joe StrangeOctober 22, 2014 3:46 am
It's warmer today than it was yesterday. Must be Obama created global warming...
johnmilnicOctober 22, 2014 2:42 am
Sorry, I am not a Scientist so I have no idea.
rickOctober 22, 2014 2:38 am
I guess your concluding statement sums it up, "so one conclusion is to remember just how complex a system the climate is-and how even 34 years may be too short a time to allow for any certainty."
Jackie Janes LovelessOctober 22, 2014 2:18 am
why do I just not trust articles like this... simple.. So simple that a grade schooler would know the mistake in the opening hook line..... melting ice did not increase temperatures 7 degrees.... it is exactly the other way around. The logic that this author uses to frame the opening statement is the same logic that would claim that ice melting in your freezer caused the cord to unplug from the wall.
FRANKOKOctober 22, 2014 2:15 am
One little spot - heck the USA is only 2% of the earth's surface. Minor if any warming for 18 years. Wonderful MAMA Nature and her cycles with her honey Mr. Sun, and with water vapor, oceans and volcanoes when she blows her top, and opens methane holes when she has gas - as her home the Earth tilts on its axis. Search: "natural-tilts-earths-axis-ice-ages-harvard-geophysicist"
MichaelOctober 22, 2014 12:01 am
Get ready for all the people to deny this. The people that live there have seen temp rise 7C, but that is not good enough for the Right Wing deniers who have been told not to believe. Meanwhile big oil keeps on digging away. So sad people do not care more about the earth they are leaving their kids
ernaldinOctober 21, 2014 11:57 pm
So, maybe the planet continues to warm as has been the case pretty much the last forty thousand years. Now, without getting all emotional, prove its all man's fault.
jabusseOctober 21, 2014 11:46 pm
Great news. More crop land to feed the hungry.
RussellOctober 21, 2014 11:44 pm
So the right will now claim the liberals have fudged the temperature data. The temperature actually dropped by seven degrees and the UN along with Obama and the CIA rigged all the thermometers.
Rich BalanceOctober 21, 2014 11:28 pm
Of course the increase is due to sea ice loss. When the ocean is open it warms the air above it preventing it from getting as cold. So what? Why would anyone care? The most likely reason for the sea ice loss is winds and ocean cycles. When the cycles revert to their colder phases the ice will return and the temperature will drop.
BillOctober 21, 2014 11:19 pm
The change in temperature in Barrow is no different than the changing local weather anywhere else. Its dangerous to draw conclusions from one area without being willing to draw the same conclusions from some yahoo in Michigan who says it was cold today and tries to use that fact to justify his refusal to accept global warming. Global temperature raise and the loss of global ice mass are what matters and local weather is nothing but a distraction.
ppiaseckOctober 21, 2014 11:02 pm
So one conclusion is to remember just how complex a system the climate is − and how even 34 years may be too short a time to allow for any certainty. SO why the hell are politicians, UN IPCC, NOAA trying to shove their man made up climate krap on everyone..............
Lou LindenOctober 21, 2014 10:59 pm
I believe the GOP would have to differ with the scientists from the U of Fairbanks, The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and everyone else involved in claiming the temperatures have risen there whether it be from man made causes or Mother Nature. The astute GOP & right wing activists have consulted with Joe the Plumber and few guys on the Jersey shore and they have had no report of climate change or increases in sea water level so it's all a lie by those damn tree huggers again. After all, what could a few billion tons per year of CO2 emissions do to anyone or anything? Tell those pesky polar bears the good news that the ice isn't melting under your feet, you're just standing in the wrong place, stupid bears.
tmalthus2010October 21, 2014 10:41 pm
Oh, claim it's 70C. When you're making everything up, why be timid?
ramonzmaniaOctober 21, 2014 10:39 pm
When other areas were uncharacteristically cool, it was explained that: (1) the melting ice cooled the water thus cooling the atmosphere and (2) "weather is Not climate"......come back in the winter and see if the ice has refrozen, as it has for thousands of years....They're claiming that the average temp. has increased 3 degrees C in just 30 years? If that's correct, then the average temp. would increase 30 degrees in 300 years! According to Yahoo weather, the temp. in Barrow right now is -9 c ( 16F), which means that in 300 years it will be about 21c (70F) average in October! if doubting that this is going to happen makes me a "denier" then prosecute me at the Hague...
C COctober 21, 2014 10:19 pm
If I lived in Barrow, Alaska, I would be celebrating the warming trend. Meanwhile, we had a very cool summer in the lower 48, the best of both worlds.
kenOctober 21, 2014 9:52 pm
Does that mean gold rush Alaska will be year round??
Science OfficerOctober 21, 2014 9:21 pm
It's no surprise to those that are aware of the effects the Pacific Decadal Oscilation has on arctic climate. The PDO has been in a warming phase since the late '70's (Remember those dire predictions of a coming Ice Age? Temps were lowering from the '40's till the '70's, despite rising CO2 concentrations.) Arctic seasonal sea ice has been expanding since 2012, it looks like the natural cooling phase of the PDO is starting again. Just wait a few years. The fears of another Ice Age looming on the horizon will begin again.
Todd NelsonOctober 21, 2014 9:17 pm
But they won't tell you about 2 years ago when the ice was so thick by September, due to the extreme cold, that oil could not be sent in ship before October. They also fail to mention that arctic ice is presently growing at a rate that is the equivalent of adding ice the size of Manhattan EVERY HOUR. They also won't tell you that the reason polar bears are having trouble feeding on seals is that the ice is too thick for the seals to find holes so they can come up and breath so the seals are staying at the outside of the ice pack which is too far for the polar bears to travel for food. In other words this whole article is one steamy pile of bull excrement.
floridanativeeOctober 21, 2014 9:16 pm
Why does Yahoo allow this sort of crap to be published. Arctic ice is way up and right at the average since the satellite era started in 1979. Antarctic ice is at all time high. Surface temperatures have not warmed in 18 years.
FelixOctober 21, 2014 9:06 pm
Very convenient to stop at 2012. That was the trough of a recent trend in Arctic Ice. Since then the ice has recovered significantly. I bet the temperatures are down too. They found a spot that had a warm spell. So what?
tomOctober 21, 2014 9:01 pm
Did they take into account that began their study at an unusually cold period?
PenoceaOctober 21, 2014 8:49 pm
In 10 years, Greenland temperatures rose by 15 degrees. That was prior to the Industrial Revolution.
mvogellOctober 21, 2014 8:22 pm
"In 2014, the city experienced the coolest summer day recorded - 14.5C". 14.5C is 29-2.9+32 or about 58'F. Is that really the coolest day ever recorded there, or is it just more shoddy reporting on Yahoo?
GraceAdams830October 21, 2014 7:35 pm
It seems USA's ruling class despises the poor so much they would much rather exterminate them than give them any break. So it would take a miracle to get the USA's ruling class to agree to even measures for curbing emissions--even then curbing emissions would have to be made even more profitable for the ruling class than business as usual. Making fighting AGW even more profitable for USA MIC than fighting terrorists would require both highly regressive taxes on energy and deficit spending and impose extreme austerity on the 99%. So would hiring coal firms to make tunnels to get transportation including for energy products out of weather and NIMBY. Fossil fuel firms might be willing to drill wells and frack hot rock reservoirs for geothermal systems for the right to sell the geothermal heat to the electric utility in the area. A sustainable, cost-competitive replacement for petroleum is probably about 10 years away. Even then, federal government would have to buy patents and license the equipment to our too big to fail oil firms.
rwayfordOctober 21, 2014 5:53 pm
Please join them in a rousing KumBahYa chorus as they pass the tithing plate. Proceeds to be used to finance the excavation of Deeper Pockets, Amen.
Science OfficerOctober 21, 2014 1:54 pm
I'll donate a year's salary to the cause, if any person can point out one CO2 based computer climate model which actually predicted the temperature changes for the last twenty years, and accurately works when applied to the observable record of the twentieth century......just one.
Science OfficerOctober 21, 2014 1:24 pm
Leave it to the United Nations to figure out a way to make money out of thin air.
PygmalionOctober 21, 2014 12:40 pm
If you are confused about what a "climate diplomacy analyst" is, or whom a "climate negotiator" negotiates with, or why the New York Climate Summit looked to the rest of the world like a rave party on Wall Street, you have perhaps not yet come to terms with today's reality, which is that the very term "climate" is a purely financial construct.
RomulusOctober 20, 2014 7:51 pm
good news- last thing we needed was to to replace one unreliable Middle eastern energy cartel with a totally unreliable African one, and WE would have watsted 400bn as well...
Robin_GuenierOctober 20, 2014 5:04 pm
But, Ed, if you review the GLOBE analysis in detail (I don't recommend it - it's dull stuff!) you find that, with the exception of a few EU countries, none are 'working on' laws to reduce their CO2 emissions. You mention, for example China and India (responsible between them for 37% of global emissions) but the only laws mentioned by GLOBE are plans to reduce 'carbon intensity' - and a reduction in carbon intensity is not the same as a reduction in emissions. Both countries have made it clear they are not interested in binding obligations to reduce emissions. As for Vietnam, all GLOBE says is 'No pledge made'. Probably the only example cited by CCC that might be said to refute Paterson's claim is Finland. But, with only 0.1% of global emissions, I think my 'exception that proves the rule' comment is amply justified. (In any case, its apparent private sector exemption seems most odd.) If anything, I suggest the GLOBE analysis and the CCC comment serve to reinforce Paterson's claim.
Climate HomeOctober 20, 2014 4:39 pm
Thanks for the note. Yes, the 60+ countries analysis is from the GLOBE study, but I'm not sure that piece refuted what the CCC said. It pointed out emissions are rising across the world, despite the Kyoto Protocol. This is fairly well known. I think that's why the UN is currently working on a new plan to curb carbon. What I would suggest is interesting is the number of countries working on climate laws and the significant pieces of legislation (like Finland, as you observed) that are coming online. Many of these laws are new and some are in developing countries - so it's unlikely they will have immediate effects. Maybe I'm missing something, but I'd have thought the fact that Vietnam, China, India and Brazil are working on laws is surely a sign other countries are paying attention? Whether those polices are any good is one for further research. ed
Pascoe SabidoOctober 20, 2014 2:20 pm
Wrong link: http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/juncker-takes-another-gamble/
Pascoe SabidoOctober 20, 2014 2:13 pm
Slightly disappointed that an article on the new Energy Union Commissioner, appearing on a website dedicated to climate change, managed to not mention the Commissioner-designate's own stance/political record on climate. Which is not good, btw! http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/junckers-flawed-second-attempt/
Robin_GuenierOctober 20, 2014 9:46 am
Good morning, Ed. I think you'll find that the '66 countries with climate laws' claim comes from the UK Committee on Climate Change's response to Paterson's speech and its reference to a GLOBE International study (also referred to in the RTCC piece you cited). However that aspect of the CCC response has been refuted in some detail here: http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/rest-of-world-ignoring-the-uks-world-leading-climate-change-act/ And here: http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/10/19/what-gummer-didnt-tell-you-about-mexicos-climate-pledge/#comment-31145
Climate HomeOctober 20, 2014 8:58 am
Hi Guenier - Louise was referring to this: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/02/27/global-climate-laws-now-cover-nearly-90-of-carbon-pollution/ - the 500+ laws are mixed, with the UK's seen as a trend-setter, and one countries such as Finland and Denmark have copied in recent years. Ed King, RTCC
fehowarthOctober 18, 2014 7:56 am
Yes that day will come. Will come soon. One cannot run away from reality.
GrahamOctober 17, 2014 6:42 pm
I don't know where you've got 3% from - the level of CO2 has risen from being stable at 275ppm in pre-industrial times to 400ppm today and is growing at over 2ppm/year. By my calculations that's already 31% due to mankind and growing. Regarding whether two degrees is lethal - well, if the hottest day was 110F and is now 112F due to warming, it seems plausible that will cause some extra deaths.
GrahamOctober 17, 2014 6:17 pm
Efficiency may help in the developed world - however, that saving will be completely dwarfed by the developing world where energy usage is currently almost insignificant, where there will be a new demand for high-energy things like air conditioning and transport. I completely agree about a carbon tax. I think the assumption that the study makes about technologies is reasonable - given that the conclusion is that we have enough materials given current technologies, things should only get better from here. The two big holes are of course transmission and storage. We're already in a position where we could generate a massive amount of our electricity in the Sahara - but that doesn't help Europe much.
ClimateLearnerOctober 17, 2014 10:58 am
Well done, Paterson. You made a start.
ClimateLearnerOctober 17, 2014 10:58 am
I agree that the BBC has a lot to answer for. It made a disgraceful decision to become a cheerleader for climate alarm, and has inhibited debate in this area. Lawson, of course, is not a 'climate denier'. And as for 'wealth in oil', just about everyone in the industrialised world enjoys a share of that, and a share of the benefits.
Robin_GuenierOctober 17, 2014 9:19 am
A statement by Nigel Lawson: 'Given the greenhouse effect, it can also be said to be settled science that the marked, and largely man-made, increase in carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere has contributed to the modest 20th century warming of the planet.’ Are those the words of 'a died in the wool climate denier'? Please provide an example of one (or more) of the 'lies' he recited in that BBC interview. Thanks.
Robin_GuenierOctober 17, 2014 9:10 am
Louise: which are the "66 countries with climate laws"? And how many of those laws are similar to the UK's Climate Change Act?
Tessa YaegerOctober 17, 2014 8:38 am
We should also keep in mind that the story of man-made global-warming is a story of science fiction. A story conjured up by fortune tellers and soothsayers.
DormaOctober 16, 2014 12:23 pm
Yet banks continue to fund hi-carbon, unsustainable projects such as Deaths Brought FW biomass and resources incineration, the contracts for which, destroy recycling tinyurl.com/owez6df tinyurl.com/nukqnq
PaulOctober 16, 2014 10:38 am
Regarding the Aldabra snail, it is worth reading this commentary from Professor Georgina Mace which demonstrates that Paterson needs to be a bit more sceptical of what he reads in the newspapers: http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2014/10/climate-change-and-the-extinction-of-the-aldabran-banded-snail
petepasswordOctober 16, 2014 10:03 am
It's not about debate it's about money. The money fossil fuel industry is going to lose and the nimbyism of livestock farmers, not the most scientifically literate species. Owen knows what he's doing, his mate Lawson is a died in the wool climate denier with his wealth in oil, for whom he is a paid disinformation shill, or consultant as they term it. He then appeared on Today without any opposition and was allowed to recite his lies over again. The BBC has a lot to answer for.
Bruce BrownOctober 15, 2014 3:20 pm
Fred Upton, Chairman of the US House of Representatives Energy and Commerce Committee, needs to know about this. His so-called "all-of-the-above" energy policy is all-in on drilling, fracking, and pipelining - off shore and on public land - with NO interest or encouragement for using wind or solar energy. Please tell Upton to join the 21st Century: http://pac.petitions.moveon.org/sign/representative-fred-upton/ The Chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee OUGHT to commit to CLEAN-energy commerce. He OUGHT to play a leading role in the transition to the nation's 21st-century transition to a clean-energy economy.
Nathan JessupOctober 15, 2014 1:38 pm
It has been eight years since the last major hurricane struck the United States.
RogerStreitOctober 15, 2014 9:02 am
Citizens’ Climate Lobby (CCL) is a grassroots, nonpartisan group creating the political will for a stable climate. The focus is on getting a revenue-neutral carbon tax passed by Congress, which will speed the transition from fossil fuels to clean technology. Our growth has been impressive. Citizens’ Climate Lobby started 2013 with 74 chapters in the U.S. and Canada. We now have 200 chapters, including new ones in Sweden, Bangladesh and Nepal. Here is the web site: http://citizensclimatelobby.org/ We need a revenue-neutral carbon tax, which will speed the transition from fossil fuels to clean energy technology. Citizens’ Climate Lobby is building the political will for this legislation.
GuiguiOctober 14, 2014 10:20 pm
source?
SageThinkerOctober 14, 2014 10:15 am
A few thoughts.... firstly, we do not even need to supply an increased electricity demand, because efficiency can increase much more than assumed in this study. We can reduce our total global electricity generation on the grid. We can decentralize electrical energy harvesting to rooftops and parking lots and hilltops, etc. We need a carbon tax to encourage the wise use of fossil fuels and to reduce greenhouse emissions, and we need it now. Many new technologies will come along to disrupt the predictions in this study. This study assumes current technology until 2050. Is that wise?
GeraldWilhiteOctober 13, 2014 5:20 pm
. I appreciate your comment, Connor. However, I disagree with your point. I think the basis of our disagreement on this question lies in our different definitions of the phrase "public policy". I am in agreement with the definition provided by the Oxford Dictionary, which defines 'public policy' in the following manner: . "The principles, often unwritten, on which social laws are based." . In my opinion, the IPCC's AR reports and the Summary for Policy Makers fit that definition very well. . In the link below, you can see another clear (to me, anyway) example of IPCC public policy adoption and recommendations in a 2010 report from R. K. Pachauri, the chairman of the IPCC. Please see: http://www.ipcc.ch/news_and_events/docs/COP16/IPCC/syrpresentation_1dec.pdf
IlmaOctober 13, 2014 1:47 pm
Kim says "Climate change has killed over 4,000 people mainly in West Africa". How, when humans across the globe can survive in a 70 degC temperature range? 2 degF, even if man's CO2 could cause that, is a tiny amount compared to that. It's the POLICIES of government's and uber-governments like the UN, EU and World Bank that prevent cheap mass energy, both transport fuel and electricity for industry, homes, water supply, agriculture and healthcare systems etc., reaching these people, that kill them by preventing them from surviving. It's not just in Africa, but in our supposedly 'developed' west, where the elderly and poorest cannot afford the energy prices artificially inflated by green policies (i.e. renewables, wind and solar), and are literally dying from the cold. Obama said that "energy prices [from fossil fuels] must necessarily sky-rocket". That is a deliberate policy that will knowingly cause mass death. What's the term for that? Genocide! It looks like the World bank, via calls for 'carbon pricing', has the same murderous policy. Can Mr Kim provide any evidence whatsoever that demonstrates direct cause that man's CO2 emissions cause dangerous global temperature rise, i.e. that man's ~3% contribution to atmospheric CO2 controls the climate and is dangerous, whereas the natural ~97% of CO2 is perfectly ok? Does he not see the fundamental absurdity of his proposition.
emmaOctober 12, 2014 3:15 pm
He did specify that the 'equally binding' aspect of any agreement would not necessarily constitute equivalent cuts to that of the developed nations, but the equivalent legal obligation to reach India's own individually set reduction targets.
Lim Beng ChengOctober 12, 2014 6:05 am
Just get each nation to start to contribute USD1 per tonne of carbon emitted. This contribution will be adjusted up USD1 yearly. There are many methods to introduce this collection. My preferred option is to collect from oil and gas producing nation for each tonne extracted. This cost will definitely be passed down the chain from refineries to end consumers. Easy to enforce. Payment will have to be made whether the extraction of oil and gas is to be consumed locally or exported. This way, every carbon producer pays.
ConnorOctober 11, 2014 11:26 pm
Respectfully Gerald, the IPCC does not have any public policies - its specific mandate is to provide a range of scientific scenarios, from which politicians and policy makers derive the policies. Where are you getting your information?
Schaliegasvrij NederlandOctober 10, 2014 11:39 pm
You mention here a global warming effect of methane of 21 x CO2 but the most recent IPCC report takes 34 x CO2 as global warming potential of methane over a 100 year time frame.
Mollie NorrisOctober 10, 2014 9:40 pm
"It's almost as if I insulted the prophet." - you did; it's called fascism. I doubt that very many people are sceptical that AGW is fraudulent.
savethechildrenOctober 10, 2014 10:16 am
Great post, thanks Leslie. Just another correction, it should be 159 Gt, as you had it at the top of your post.
savethechildrenOctober 10, 2014 10:13 am
1.1 gigatons? I think you meant 1,100 gigatons. As in, over a trillion tons of ice. It's a number few of us can even quantify in our own minds.
tightloopsOctober 9, 2014 4:24 pm
Are these "scientific" news sites EVER going to stop trying to slant in favor of global warming? The absurdity is they now act like a bunch of religious zealots, the ISSIL. of climate. The fake science that has been perpetrated upon America is nothing short of criminal. Take your medicine and admit the Earth warms and cools randomly but reliably and the only thing that has been extraordinary here iis the scoundrels like Al Gore have become multi millionaires, big houses that waste water and energy and personal jets to jet set around the world.......of course, the pc liberals love this opportunity to control human behavior.........good grief!
Saleemul HuqOctober 9, 2014 3:37 pm
Excellent article
cardiganOctober 9, 2014 2:58 pm
Why? The comment invitation says "join the discussion", you clearly don't discuss anything. "A second study, also published in Nature Climate Change, by scientists at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, concluded "tentatively" that all ocean warming from 2005 to 2013 had occurred above depths of 6,500 feet, and that it was not possible to detect any contribution by the deep oceans to sea level rise or energy absorption " I presume Alex Kirby added "tentatively" to try and downplay the scientific observations.
Climate HomeOctober 9, 2014 2:58 pm
Thanks for the note Megan, and thanks also for the great work you at AlertNet ed
Leslie GrahamOctober 9, 2014 11:35 am
There is absolutely overwhelming evidence from multple sources in both observations and in emperical proof. If you have one single peer-reviewed research paper by a credible climate scientist that shows evidence that AGW is not occurring then why don't you show it? I'll tell you why - there isn't any. Well - actualy there is ONE - one out of thousands of papers published in the last year. That's it. And also of course there is this little bit of inconvenient truth for you ignorant gullible kock suckers: Globaly, 2014 is, so far, the hottest year on record. "...An unprecedented rise in global ocean temperatures contributed toward making the summer of 2014 the hottest on record, according to a report published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA. The reading puts the entire year on track to become the hottest ever since records began. From June through August, the average global temperature was 62.7 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 1.28 degrees higher than the 20th-century average. The global sea surface temperature was 1.17 degrees Fahrenheit above the previous century's average of 61.4 degrees, breaking the previous all-time high set in June. This, according to the report, made not only the month of August the hottest August since records began in 1880, it also made the summer of 2014 the hottest ever. The report stated that record-high temperatures were reported not only during the summers in the northern hemisphere, but also during the winters in the southern hemisphere during the months of June, July and August. During these three months, the winters in the southern hemisphere were the fourth warmest on record. http://www.ibtimes.com/summer-2014-was-hottest-ever-noaa-report-1692348
Leslie GrahamOctober 9, 2014 11:32 am
Utter nonsense.
Leslie GrahamOctober 9, 2014 11:31 am
The deep ocean hasn't warmed up tha tmuch but the near surface temperatures have soared. This is very bad news as there was some hope that at least some of the heat was being teken down into the deep ocean where it might stay for many decades and give us a breathing space as it were. Now it turns out that even this faint hope is not to be - the heat is all building up in the top few thousand metres and is manifesting as record sea surface temperatures already. Globaly, 2014 is, so far, the hottest year on record. "...An unprecedented rise in global ocean temperatures contributed toward making the summer of 2014 the hottest on record, according to a report published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA. The reading puts the entire year on track to become the hottest ever since records began. From June through August, the average global temperature was 62.7 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 1.28 degrees higher than the 20th-century average. The global sea surface temperature was 1.17 degrees Fahrenheit above the previous century's average of 61.4 degrees, breaking the previous all-time high set in June. This, according to the report, made not only the month of August the hottest August since records began in 1880, it also made the summer of 2014 the hottest ever. The report stated that record-high temperatures were reported not only during the summers in the northern hemisphere, but also during the winters in the southern hemisphere during the months of June, July and August. During these three months, the winters in the southern hemisphere were the fourth warmest on record. http://www.ibtimes.com/summer-2014-was-hottest-ever-noaa-report-1692348
Leslie GrahamOctober 9, 2014 11:28 am
How about some facts about GLOBAL sea level rise. In reality, according to the data, the sea level trend was .8 millimeters of rise per year from 1870 to 1924, 1.9 millimeters per year from 1925 to 1992, and 3.2 millimeters per year from 1993 to 2014—i.e., the rate has actually quadrupled since preindustrial times. So basicaly the rise is already going exponential. Stop parroting denierblog junk that you don't even understand.
Leslie GrahamOctober 9, 2014 11:26 am
The renewables revolution is the next industrial revolution and will be the driver for a massive economic revival. China have already created over 2 million jobs in the solar sector alone - jobs that could hav ebeen created in the US but for the stalling tactics of the fossil-fuel industry, There is enough solar and wind energy on this planet to power our needs over 2,000 times over. Do you really think Americans are so stupid that they can't figure out a way to harness just 000.1% of it. Grow up. You have no idea wha tyou are talking about and are just part of the problem. It's not like we have a choice anyway. The Earth would be in a slow cooling phase continuing the trend of the last 8,000 years if we hadn't increased the volume of heat-trapping gases by 40% in less than a century. Humans are responsable for 100% of the warming - in fact in effect it is even more than 100% as we have also cancelled out the natural cooling that has been going on for 8,000 years. If you aren't even aware of that simple schoolboy fact you shouldn't even be commenting on a climate change thread - you are just making a fool of yourself,
Leslie GrahamOctober 9, 2014 11:20 am
Good grief - what an utterly pathetic meme. You should be ashamed of yourself if that's the best talking point you can parrot. The earth is losing a trillion tons of ice per year: - 159 Gt Antarctic LAND ice volume.........McMillan el al, GRL (2014) + 26 Gt Antarctic SEA ice volume............Holland et al, J Climate (2014) - 261 Gt Arctic sea ice................................PIOMAS - 378 Gt Greenland, Enderlin et al.............GRL (2014) - 259 Gt other land based glaciers............Gardner et al. Science (2013) TOTAL ICE LOSS PER YEAR = 1,031 Gt. In fact, even the modest increase in seasonal Antarctic sea ice was predicted by Manabe et al 1991, nearly 25 years ago. And, of course, the melt is accelerating as global temperatures continue to rise. And make no mistake - the laws of physics did NOT magicaly cease to apply to the radiative properties of the CO2 molecule in July 1998 no matter how much the carbon corporation's propaganda machine tries to insist they did. Between 1997 and 2003 Greenland was losing ice at 83 cubic kilometres a year. From 2003 to 2009 it was up to 153 cubic kilometres a year. Last year, using 14.3 million data points across Greenland collected by CryoSat, the research team were able to show it was up to an extraordinary 378 cubic kilometres per year - nearly 5 times faster than just a decade ago. If you think that's bad - or even if you don't - check out Antarctica. Antarctica is also losing ice mass at an accelerating rate. The 159 Kt loss reported by the McMillan el al study is the long term average which obscures the detail. Between 1992 and 2001, ice was melting from the two main ice sheets at a rate of about 64 Gt a year. From 2002 to 2011, the ice sheets were melting at a rate of about 362 Gt a year – an almost six-fold increase. I wonder what could possibly be causing the ice to melt? If you are not 'alarmed' by these figures then you're clearly not paying attention. But the ice melt is the least of the problems that global warming is causing. Far more immediate will be the crop losses due to droughts and floods and the damage to the global economy - as we can already see. Well - most of us can.
Leslie GrahamOctober 9, 2014 11:19 am
The warming has accelerated over the last 17 years - the deniers trick of selecting the RSS surface temps only graph and the one that doesn't even include the Arctic at that, let alone the oceans - and then cherry picking the very peak temperature of the Super El Nino year of 1998 as the start point for a statisticaly meaningless time period.,.... I mean really? You really seriously believe that the bulk of the world's people are so stupid they are going to fall for THAT! It's just insulting. Apart from this obvious and transparant attempt to deceive its moot anyway as both 2005 and 2010 were hotter than even the Super El Nino year. Globaly, 2014 is, so far, the hottest year on record. "...An unprecedented rise in global ocean temperatures contributed toward making the summer of 2014 the hottest on record, according to a report published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA. The reading puts the entire year on track to become the hottest ever since records began. From June through August, the average global temperature was 62.7 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 1.28 degrees higher than the 20th-century average. The global sea surface temperature was 1.17 degrees Fahrenheit above the previous century's average of 61.4 degrees, breaking the previous all-time high set in June. This, according to the report, made not only the month of August the hottest August since records began in 1880, it also made the summer of 2014 the hottest ever. The report stated that record-high temperatures were reported not only during the summers in the northern hemisphere, but also during the winters in the southern hemisphere during the months of June, July and August. During these three months, the winters in the southern hemisphere were the fourth warmest on record. http://www.ibtimes.com/summer-2014-was-hottest-ever-noaa-report-1692348
Leslie GrahamOctober 9, 2014 11:18 am
It is NOT one of the most 'hotly debated questions in climate science'. That is an absurd claim. It might be 'debated' on the pages of the right wing gutter press and the denierblog echo chamber but it certainly isn't being debated among climate scientists. There is an energy imbalance in the Earth's atmosphere that can be and is observed and measured on a daily basis. More energy is entering than is leaving. That means it's warming. No ifs or buts - it's warming. How much of that warming manifests in the 1.1 gigatons of ice that is melting every year now - up five fold an a decace ago - or in the warming seas or the warming land or the warming atmosphere is perhaps open to debate but there is NO debate that the Earth is warming and there hasn't been for at least 30 years now. When (not if) the PDO returns to the positive phase the narrow measure of atmospheric warming that the Denial Industry would like us to focus on will return to it's more rapid warming trend once more.
SammyOctober 9, 2014 3:41 am
Wow. We're stupid. That is SUCH a convincing argument for your junk science. Too bad the evidence on the ground disagrees.
SammyOctober 9, 2014 3:40 am
NASA goes both ways. The fundraising arm of NASA claims anthro-global warming, the actual scientists who have to make use of the data and get accurate results say no.
SammyOctober 9, 2014 3:38 am
Are the scientists who found all this missing heat the same ones who were stuck in the ice for several months? Bet they were glad the oceans were so warm, otherwise all that ice might have been cold.
Fargo WellsOctober 9, 2014 3:05 am
It has been eight years since the last major hurricane struck the United States.
Rich BalanceOctober 8, 2014 9:25 pm
The oceans are perfectly fine, however, I can't say as much for anyone who would write such a silly article.
dgOctober 8, 2014 6:11 pm
Why are journalists ignoring the millions of Africans that die every year because of the bogus DDT ban? Why are journalists ignoring how a lack of cheap energy is preventing improvements in sanitation and water supply that could save millions of lives each year?
Toni WalshOctober 8, 2014 2:01 pm
If the CO2 from one volcano can't even be controlled, how are we to believe that the climate of the entire earth can be controlled?
ClimateWarsawOctober 8, 2014 12:21 pm
Come on, this is Juncker's parody account that you're showing.
meganrowlingOctober 8, 2014 11:00 am
There's no doubt African journalists face a tough time getting their stories into national media, where editors aren't always interested or knowledgeable about climate change. There's a need to focus on editors in training efforts, as well as reporters. At the international level, for the past few years, we at AlertNet Climate (part of Thomson Reuters Foundation: http://www.trust.org/climate/) have tried to support African journalists who want to report on climate change issues with a learning by doing approach. We work with African reporters to get their stories edited to Reuters standards and out in English (sometimes in local languages too) to the wider world. We've run many features about African climate problems, and also importantly solutions, in agriculture, forests, energy and other areas. Some of the journalists we work with have won prizes for this coverage. That is not to say a huge additional effort isn't needed. But I think it's important to note some of the progress that is being made, albeit on a small scale. Some of the barriers are not about climate change specifically but about lack of access to media training and a lack of journalistic capacity, I would argue. Interesting piece, thank you!
GuyBBOctober 8, 2014 10:32 am
Oh, did my argument, that the real problem are the liberal idiots spending at a rate that made Bloomberg's prediction of 100 billion dollars/year in economic impact look minuscule, make you rethink the entire scale of the problem? I pointed out, heck at the rate the Obama administration is spending, we could write a check, and barely notice. Still, if the models failed to predict the heat would go into that huge heat sink, that covers 70% of the earth's surface, that has 10,000 times the heat capacity of the atmosphere, it totally invalidates the models doesn't it? I think a motivated group of sophomores could do a better job. In a weekend. If the beer is free. If you want anyone to take your "science" seriously, show us the funding statistics. If 97% of the Federal grants have been in support of AGW? Is it any wonder that a high percentage of the published articles support it? If, in three decades of trying, this is the best they can do with 100 billion dollars worth of funding, maybe we need a whole new group to look at the "problem".
John WBOctober 8, 2014 8:52 am
Blackmail at its best. One Yeo is more than enough.
Byll WylliamsOctober 8, 2014 5:04 am
Let me translate that for you: our models that predicted doom were wrong. Climate changes, humans probably accelerate the process, but drastically cutting carbon emissions will cause famine, war, and chaos immediately. With 7 billion people on the planet, things will head towards SUCK no matter what scheme those funded by taxes propose. Get over it.
StuartOctober 8, 2014 3:28 am
With all that heat going into the oceans causing the pause, particularly in the last decade and a half, we'd expect to see some big sea level rises wouldn't we? Let's look at raw data. Fort Denison in Sydney Harbour has been regularly and accurately recording sea levels since 1914 (they actually have records going back to 1866). It's regarded as one of the best and most reliable data sets in the Southern Hemisphere. The century of raw data is here: http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO70000/IDO70000_60370_SLD.shtml So, what does it show? The first 50 years were prior to the Industrial Era and the second 50 fully encompassing the masses of CO2 that Man has been pumping into the atmosphere. Surely we must see a great representation of Al Gore's Hockey Chart in the data as the sea level markedly grew in the last 50 years and especially in the last 20 years, yes? You can judge for yourself. Here is a graph that plots the raw data. http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_global_station.shtml?stnid=680-140 In 100 years, the sea in Sydney Harbour has risen by 6cm. Yet somehow by 2100, the predictions say it will rise another 100cm. I'm not questioning any raw data. Temperatures have risen. What I'm questioning are the models and the motives for publishing sensational news articles.
somebody you may knowOctober 7, 2014 10:59 pm
Go ahead and delete this post too.
IcemanOctober 7, 2014 10:01 pm
The human contribution to total CO2 emissions is only 4%. The rest is nature, and the atmosphere is only .04% CO2 to begin with. Europe is responsible for about 10% of total emissions. So if this plan to reduce CO2 by 40% actually works, it might change the atmosphere of planet earth by a whopping .000064%. A total reduction of less than 1 part per million. Makes perfect sense.
Enough is EnoughOctober 7, 2014 9:49 pm
I just wish you guys would make up our minds once and for all. Yes, we should take better care of our planet. We should take better care of each other but we don't; or, won't. But in scale, this planet will do what it damn well wants to and we're just along for the ride.
somebody you may knowOctober 7, 2014 9:01 pm
I read today that NASA confirmed that the ocean was not warming up, someone is lying.
GeobobOctober 7, 2014 8:56 pm
When there is a scientically demonstrated global climate emergency irrespective of what or who causes it, then funds will flow to needy nations/regions, as part of a UN coordinated process. Until and if AGW is proven to be a major factor in ever changing climate, then African nations and other developing regions of the world weill get help to mitigate the problem. However, given the recent climate data trends this problematic issue may be decades or centuries into the future, don't hold your breath people.
ParmaJohnOctober 7, 2014 6:05 pm
No comments! Must be a pretty uninteresting article. Keep up the good work, RTCC. A piece of the GCF must surely be coming your way soon.
ParmaJohnOctober 7, 2014 5:55 pm
So, if we don't pay up NOW, then we will not get our economic suicide pact next year. Shiverin' in my boots.
petepasswordOctober 7, 2014 12:44 pm
More data edging towards the inevitable conclusion that global warming is unstoppable and more dvanced than optimists wish to believe. The deniers will continue to deny and talk about no warming for 17 years because they are stupid.
RameshHegOctober 7, 2014 1:26 am
Any wonder this moron was voted out of office? Soon he won't even be an MP. What counts is per capita carbon emission. Overwhelming majority of Indians are dirt poor, bullying India and trying to portray India is a big polluter, etc won't work. How many Americans, Canadians, Australians and Europeans use cow dung (yes cow poop) to heat and use it as a fuel to cook? India first has to alleviate grinding poverty. India has committed to solar and wind in a big way, but it can only do so much. The developed world can do a lot more to reduce their lavish, wasteful, extravagant life style before demanding India should stay poor.
ClimateLearnerOctober 6, 2014 2:49 pm
For those for whom the folks in the picture are not well known, here are some introductions to them and their work: Paul Valdes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIk1ggfi9c0 David Whitehouse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxYeBqG6H58 David Holland: (no video found, so link is to foia work) https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/david_holland Ed Hawkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K96KpcdcuWQ Anthony Watts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiuHOzykxC0 Ted Shepherd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AjCeXl5tE0 Tamsin Edwards: http://tedxcern.web.cern.ch/speakers/tamsin-edwards (video to be posted there soon) Richard Betts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gF0NdwIcuw Marcel Crok: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bt9sCCWwxM David Rose: (no video found, link is to an article) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681829/Global-warming-latest-Amount-Antarctic-sea-ice-hits-new-record-high.html Michael Kelly: (no video found, so link is to some climate comments) http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/06/prof-kelly-shows-the-middle-way/ Nicholas Lewis: (no video found, link is to 2013 post on climate) http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2013/5/19/new-energy-budget-derived-estimates-of-climate-sensitivity-a.html
JustwordOctober 6, 2014 1:09 pm
Mr Ramesh, We know that your own political party has thrown you out of the Environment minister seat and did not let you complete a five year term in that ministry. So your credibility to hold that ministry and put forward reasonable position for your own country is certainly well known to your own political leadership. So, tell us why the people or the new government should buy your argument? While the entire developed world was stepping back from any sort of commitment to cut drastic emission you insisted that developing world must take legally binding emission cut targets. Whom are you representing? Certainly not the 1.25 Billion Indians. Why do you think your views are more important than a page filler for some websites?
archaeopteryxgrOctober 4, 2014 6:30 pm
it can be stored? Who's paying? Any bets on 1.000.000 wind ΜW replacing anything? I doubt 1.000.000 wind MW can be used to manufacture a single ball bearing... Try it. Can't wait to see a battery powered cast house
JimKOctober 4, 2014 4:31 pm
Yet another climate summit! That seems to be about the only thing they can agree on when they have these things...to hold another one in a few more months. What else ever gets accomplished at these things? And why not teleconference? Why are they always held in big cities with posh hotels near fine dining, shopping and brothels?
Rich BalanceOctober 4, 2014 4:06 pm
Another big UN conference? That means more huge CO2 emissions for the various entourages. It's always obvious these people do not believe their own BS. It's all about one thing and one thing only ... $$$$.
geoff ChambersOctober 4, 2014 11:13 am
This meeting is great news for us sceptics who, while not necessarily terribly interested in the science, have been in despair about the irrationality which has characterised a debate which should concern us all, and of which the science comprises just one aspect. The fact that the differences on the science seem to be minimal suggests that the real disagreement lies elsewhere, and one gets a hint of where this may be in the statement by climate scientist Ted Shepherd when he says that: “...even the sceptics’ lower estimates did not justify delaying action on climate change, as the current rate of emissions will still tip the world over the catastrophic warming threshold sooner or later. No matter what your view is, as long as you accept there is global warming, even if you take the best case scenario, you’re still going to take action at some point.” The question of whether we are facing dangerous warming in the year 2050 or 2100 or 2300 is not a trivial one. If scientists can't answer it, then all the claims made by politicians and journalists that Paris 2015 is the last chance to save the planet are revealed to be hysterical nonsense. And we're back to the huge gulf which separates us rational sceptics from the official consensus position.
Hans LabohmOctober 4, 2014 10:10 am
This is indeed a very positive development. In The Netherlands it started already many years ago (2011). See: http://climategate.nl/2011/09/01/het-knmi-aan-tafel-met-de-sceptici/ The picture shows Fred Singer and Gerbrand Komen (former director scientific research of the Netherlands Royal Met Office). The posting is in Dutch. But with Google Translation one might get the gist of it.
vonborksOctober 4, 2014 6:33 am
Are you saying that only those people that accept the anthropogenic agenda are considered scientists and we who do not support that agenda are not scientists?
ObliqueOctober 4, 2014 5:56 am
Sometimes at catered events there are two main courses which are served alternately around the table so beef or salmon could be correct.
NikFromNYCOctober 4, 2014 2:29 am
Were this the field of genetics, half the room would be in jail. Nobody there, not even the skeptics, confront the absolute requirement that fraud is admitted to, exposed, and rooted out. The latest and most brazen of all pure power play fraud at the very core of climate "science" is the bladeless Marcott 2013 hockey stick media sensation, the blade being created as a pure artifact of input proxy re-dating to afford sudden spurious data drop off at the end: http://s6.postimg.org/jb6qe15rl/Marcott_2013_Eye_Candy.jpg Climatology, to this very season continues to use blatant fraud to create an activist monster they now cannot control. Boo hoo.
robnbcOctober 3, 2014 11:56 pm
It only appeared to be beef stew because the beef industry supressed all evidence of salmon :)
Steve RogersOctober 3, 2014 11:46 pm
If there's a single man-made global-warming prophecy that the climate fortune-tellers have gotten correct, no one seems to know what it is.
derekcolmanOctober 3, 2014 10:43 pm
I am always surprised by the vitriol poured on me for my sceptical views. It's almost as if I insulted the prophet. I try not to respond in like manner as I realise that resorting to insult would mean losing the argument. It is a pity that some others do not realise that. It should be said that a small number of people who disagree with me are very reasonable and polite.
Albert StienstraOctober 3, 2014 10:16 pm
It is a great initiative. However, the title of this report is not quite right: there is at least one sceptical scientist in the group. The title looks as if there is no overlap between the subgroups.
Jim CorcoranOctober 3, 2014 5:35 pm
With 60 BILLION food animals on the planet, this should be our first step in the Climate March! The best chance to mitigate climate change is to severely reduce consumption of animal foods. More than 1/3 of human induced warming is attributable to animal agriculture. Methane is 24 times more potent than CO2 but takes only 7 years to cycle out of the atmosphere. CO2 takes around 100 years to come out. Human pursuit of animal protein is the leading cause of methane release and a primary cause of CO2 concentrating in the atmosphere. Check the facts and act! Methane vs. Carbon Dioxide: A Greenhouse Gas Showdown http://tinyurl.com/kwnwz6n "As environmental science has advanced, it has become apparent that the human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future: deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities, and the spread of disease." Worldwatch Institute, "Is Meat Sustainable?" “If every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetables and grains... the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than half a million cars off of U.S. roads.” Environmental Defense Fund "A 1% reduction in world-wide meat intake has the same benefit as a three trillion-dollar investment in solar energy." ~ Chris Mentzel, CEO of Clean Energy Step by Step Guide: How to Transition to a Vegan Diet http://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/step-by-step-guide-how-to-transition-to-vegan-diet/
Sou from BundangaOctober 3, 2014 5:12 pm
Beware the forked tongue.
FoxgooseOctober 3, 2014 4:47 pm
Typical - right-wing, gutter-press salmon denier.
David RoseOctober 3, 2014 4:21 pm
It was definitely beef stew.
Swo FordOctober 3, 2014 5:28 am
The word "Superstorm" was conjured up for 2012's Tropical Storm Sandy because it was not even at hurricane strength when it made landfall.
Smarter than Your Average BearOctober 3, 2014 1:57 am
Oh good luck with that "highest priority" part - that will only last until the Kochs buy the rest of congress.
DengisOctober 2, 2014 10:18 pm
"David G. Victor and Charles F. Kennel put forward two main reasons: that it is no longer feasible to meet the 2C limit, in large part because there has been insufficient action to date. And secondly that the 2C limit is not measurable and cannot be translated into emission limits for countries and regions."
"Dropping the 2C limit , and with it pressure for the needed level of emission reductions, while starting a debate about a multitude of other goals is akin to doctors dithering over a critically ill patient. As in medicine, there are several indicators addressing different aspects of the vitality of the planet, but each of them would call for action if it reached a critical state."
It seems to me that you've very much missed the point of that paper. It's not saying to drop the 2°C and start twiddling thumbs or giving up. It's not saying that there's no hope. It does say that 2°C is a difficult target and it does say that action to date has been pitiful with that target in mind, but the whole point of other indicators is to spur greater action, to provide more incentive, not less. The last too many years have been the joy of deniers because the favoured metric, global surface temperature, has given no cause for concern, let alone alarm. It's no wonder that they call us alarmists when the most public measure is such a dud. Had we had several metrics in the public's face right from the earliest days - for example, ocean acidity, ocean heat content, sea level rise, loss of species, etc - then the deniers, and those that prefer to listen to them in the hope that their delusion is reality, would have had a much weaker case for their inaction and agitation for further inaction. It's true that many of us "alarmists" are aware of, and following, these other indicators. Some parts of The Media certainly report these things on occasion and, for sure, scientists and environmentalists are absolutely interested in them, but they haven't been presented to the public as being primary factors like the global surface temperature. My take on the report is that it's saying that it's time for that to change.
"The planet’s rising temperature is a vital sign and the prognosis is clear for future warming without urgent action. What doctor would refuse to provide treatment to a patient with a body temperature exceeding 40C because their blood pressure cannot be measured?"
That's a good question but also a superb strawman. Yes, the planet’s rising temperature is a vital sign but it hasn't been rising in a way that reflects the patient's condition, has it? This is one of the points of the report. Using your analogy, the patient's temperature is actually only 37°C and the doctors are quibbling and stalling on the treatment because they haven't noticed that the heart is fibrillating and the blood potassium levels are too low and the EEG has some decidedly dodgy waves. I think we should have more metrics targeted at the public and promoted as primary concerns. Let's have people - Jane and Joe Public and their policy-making representatives - think more deeply and widely about this issue. And, at the same time, it'll give the ethically criminal deniers more fronts on which their propaganda can be shown as bogus.
Tom GrayOctober 2, 2014 5:17 pm
No offense, but timing here is suboptimal. This would be a great item to release (or re-release, as the need will still be there and will be even more urgent) once Ebola is on the run. MHO (retired communications pro here).
Callsign ViperOctober 2, 2014 4:52 pm
The whole thing is very simple, actually: Low solar activity leads to global cooling, cool summers, and cold winters.
Albert StienstraOctober 2, 2014 3:34 pm
The title is meant to deceive. What should have been added is this: "The 2014 Arctic sea ice summer melt minimum is higher (more ice ) than in 2013, 2012, 2011 and 2010".
John WBOctober 2, 2014 9:27 am
Just goes to show these are the only sensible nations in the EU.
Sobhveer SInghOctober 2, 2014 3:54 am
Good decision. India already has so less forest. please don't cut the only reserves. India can only be clean if it is green. America, europe etc is clean why? because its green so India needs to follow the same to be clean Beaty is present where its green! please don't cut forests in India. instead plant more and more every day Thanks! we are happy with this decision Nano Biotech (P) Ltd Amritsar, Punjab India SUPPORTING GREENERY IN INDIA
Callsign ViperOctober 1, 2014 9:59 pm
Where's Joe Biden in all this? Wasn't he supposed to be some sort of Middle East expert?
GeraldWilhiteOctober 1, 2014 4:24 pm
There is an insurmountable obstacle facing the IPCC, Ms. Hedegaard, Greenpeace, and others that are trying to shove IPCC public policies down everybody's throat. Citizens no longer have confidence in what they are doing. That means they have failed. It is that simple.
SqueakyRatSeptember 30, 2014 11:49 pm
Outright denial of basic atmospheric chemistry and physics.
Bestuv BurkeSeptember 30, 2014 6:26 pm
The origin of the 2nd Amendment is Right 13 of George Mason's Declaration of Rights.
Alan SmithSeptember 30, 2014 5:10 pm
The only one who said the arctic would be ice-free by 2013 was someone TRYING to be wrong. Scientists have never said such a ridiculous claim.
rocketdanSeptember 30, 2014 3:13 pm
Ed, I enjoyed your piece, but definitely found most of the comments to be what I would expect from the already committed core. There have been great expectations from many of the same leaders before each of the last several CCs. I found it somewhat humorous that you mentioned that Shell was looking for Government to lay out a timeline for phasing out coal. No kidding! I'm sure since this was a big UN meeting that there were many journalists present. However I saw more coverage in the press as well as on the tube of the march rather than the meeting itself and some of that was not all that positive. When it was done, it disappeared. I don't think there was anything happening there that was going to reverse the trend of lower and lower numbers in surveys assessing the support for climate change efforts in the US. I guess we'll see where this goes in the next year. Since the President is already admitting that Congress is not on board so no legally binding agreements will be possible, I don't think the results of the November elections will make his position there any more favorable.
Climate HomeSeptember 30, 2014 2:10 pm
Hi Dan, Thanks for the note. My closing thoughts are here - http://www.rtcc.org/2014/09/26/new-york-summit-what-it-means-for-climate-treaty-prospects/ Judging by the press queue, the media interest was high, but I guess it depends what publication you read? Best ed
rocketdanSeptember 30, 2014 12:53 pm
Ed, I'd have to say this climate summit was about what I expected. It was perhaps even weaker due to the new UN focus on terrorism. The EU energy commissioner has stated they should not commit to any emission targets unless all countries agree to a reduction program in Paris next year, which looks like an extreme long shot at this point. This sounds like the EU adopting the Bush43 position on Kyoto. The press coverage was incredibly light and I don't think anyone came out of this looking stronger. I still think this is a good forecast that nothing of significance will come out of Paris next year and that this will be more or less the final nail in the coffin for this approach (mitigation at all costs plus huge payments from developed nations to developing ones for supposed adaptation efforts.) I would be interested in your take on the Summit.
DavidSeptember 30, 2014 4:11 am
By my calculations that means 7.208 billion of the worlds population didn't turn up or more than 99% stayed away due to more pressing matters? Funny how the media don't report that!!
debra haddixSeptember 30, 2014 2:38 am
Well of course they would.
Wally MenneSeptember 29, 2014 7:03 pm
I hope Norway gets it right this time, because its efforts in Indonesia, Guyana, Brasil and Tanzania have thus far produced little in the way of positive results.
CaptainCommonsenseSeptember 29, 2014 9:33 am
That's a spambot, Mike.
p manSeptember 28, 2014 8:03 pm
This is an awful way of getting attention, he meant that it is our habits that have changed the climate. At least that's what the full answer implied or that is what he was trying to say. And he said that if we change our habits we will change the environment in the long run. Poor Poor article there lady.
Jack HortonSeptember 28, 2014 8:57 am
Science or fiction? Soothsayer Daniel Schrag has conjured up the narrative that 13-foot storm surges will be normal on the East coast by 2050.
Sean MaguireSeptember 28, 2014 8:31 am
If this is any indication, we could be heading back into another ice age: http://bit.ly/1vRC9VH
Eddie IngramSeptember 28, 2014 7:09 am
According to this article, volcano emissions are actually cooling our climate: http://bit.ly/V4vh6l
Philip HaddadSeptember 27, 2014 11:29 pm
It is clear that most people overlook the fact that burning gas and oil is for the purpose of producing heat (or energy which becomes heat). The CO2 is just evidence that fossil fuels are 80% of our energy supply and are not, in themselves, a significant contributor to global warming. Taxing or sequestering of CO2 is not the answer. Taxing just makes energy more expensive. We will get it whatever the cost. Sequestering CO2 is expensive and counter productive, requiring the removal of 9 billion tons for a 1ppm reduction in concentration. Money will be better spent in forwarding the installation of renewable energy sources like wind, solar, etc. In the meantime we must seek to become self-sufficient in energy, whether by coal, oil, or natural gas, and by increased efficiencies and decreased "needs".
DavidSeptember 27, 2014 1:49 pm
You know energy can be stored right? It's not as efficient as just using it straight away but it can be (and is) done. Certainly 1,000,000 wind MW's can replace 1,000 nuclear MW's.
Evelyn de BuhrSeptember 27, 2014 12:11 am
This woman's reading of her poem should be required viewing for everyone on the planet. It is so beautifully eloquent and touching. How can we ignore her? Please send it everywhere.
Steven CohenSeptember 26, 2014 8:54 pm
We are number two, fool. We should show leadership in getting the world to reduce emissions.
dougproctorSeptember 26, 2014 3:54 pm
"Countries have widely agreed that the fund needs $10-15 billion by December, when the next UN climate conference takes place in Lima, to be credible." Unless the US kicks in $12 billion, the fund will be not seen as credible? Surprise, here. But if so, what does that mean? That even the diehards will agree the legislative, legal anti-fossil fuel program is over? Or that off-side, non-standard, illegal disruption and obstruction are the revolutionary ways of the future ... Che and Trotsky would be proud. The founding fathers of America would not.
Fay TuncaySeptember 25, 2014 10:33 pm
The implications for climate sensitivity of AR5 forcing and heat uptake estimates Carbon Brief tells us "A new paper calculates the sensitivity of earth's temperature to carbon dioxide emissions - known as the climate sensitivity. The authors arrive at a value of 1.64 degrees, at the low end of the IPCC's estimate of between 1.5 and 4.5 degrees. Using the temperature record between 1750 and 2011 allows a more realistic estimate of uncertainties than using climate models, the authors argue. Climate Dynamics " http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00382-014-2342-y?utm_source=Daily+Carbon+Briefing&utm_campaign=c334c4486d-DAILY_BRIEFING&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_876aab4fd7-c334c4486d-303424793
MydogrulesSeptember 25, 2014 10:12 pm
Good lord, these people are serious......
Patrick LyonsSeptember 25, 2014 8:35 pm
"China, Russia and Indonesia are some of the big emitters on that list." Alright, so why are we even bothering with this?
Eddie IngramSeptember 25, 2014 3:27 pm
In a 2006 report on man-made global-warming, climate fortune-teller Nicholas Stern claimed that the cost of man-made global-warming would be equivalent to losing five per cent of global economic production each year.
JoannaSeptember 25, 2014 12:20 pm
If liberals could predict the next earthquake or contain the CO2 from just one volcano, folks might begin to take them seriously on their fear-mongering about man-made global-warming.
bernard townsendSeptember 25, 2014 3:47 am
What kind of name is that? The average December temperature for Alaska has been 15 degrees (F) warmer than average, the permafrost melt is unprecedented, houses, roads, hills and valleys, descending into goo. The variety of hydrologic process's are just getting established, and the process will get stronger for a few hundred years.
bongorocksSeptember 25, 2014 1:18 am
When the united nations, show the world that they have the ability stop all wars, ,then the majority of the global warming skeptics, might start to believe that the united nations also might have the ability to stop climate change. But just like Barak Obama, He keeps big noting himself, by telling the world that he knows how to stop global warming, but on the other hand he can't even stop the terrorists.
lsk1956September 24, 2014 11:59 pm
The "groundbreaking" linked to in the article states that "3 million people die prematurely" due to the burning of fossil fuels...the WHO website fact sheets tell a different (the rest of the story?) tale: “Ambient (outdoor air pollution) in both cities and rural areas was estimated to cause 3.7 million premature deaths worldwide in 2012… Some 88% of those premature deaths occurred in low- and middle-income countries, and the greatest number in the WHO Western Pacific and South-East Asia regions.” (no mention of fossil fuels here, and note the regions affected) http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs313/en/ “Over 4 million people die prematurely from illness attributable to…cooking with solid fuels…More than 50% of premature deaths among children under 5…caused by particulate matter (soot) inhaled from household air pollution...3.8 million premature deaths annually from non-communicable diseases…are attributed to exposure to household air pollution.” http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs292/en/ Note that the largest death tolls are in UNDEVELOPED countries. Directly attributable to the burning of biomass (wood, coal, etc.) for cooking and heating, due to living in abject poverty. $359 billion available for “climate funding” http://www.trust.org/item/20140821133126-4ej17/?source=leadCarousel $195 billion to end world poverty http://www.poverty.com/internationalaid.html I guess we now know where their priorities lie...and lie.
WrinkledThoughtSeptember 24, 2014 4:35 pm
So is this money going to be spent retro fitting termite mounds and rice patties, the proven largest singular sources of methane?
Lt. WolfeSeptember 24, 2014 8:55 am
There's been no statistically significant warming in about 17 years.
Earth scientistSeptember 24, 2014 6:40 am
Will not catch many fish fishing on the beach! Got to put the line in the water! Subsidence is the name of the game!
Stephen PersaudSeptember 24, 2014 6:27 am
Ain't that the truth
vonrockSeptember 24, 2014 6:18 am
March 2015.
Gavrila DerzhavinSeptember 24, 2014 3:49 am
I'm not aware of a single man-made global-warming prophecy that the climate fortune-tellers have gotten correct.
Paul DavisSeptember 24, 2014 3:39 am
Actually, they only want offshore rights now. Onshore drilling is impossible as the permafrost doesn't harden for long enough - you can't get in and out quickly enough to get things done. Permafrost melts, stuff sinks.
Paul DavisSeptember 24, 2014 3:35 am
So going from ice locked for the entire time since Columbus to navigable in summer means nothing to you. Someone spilling a drink over the side of the cruise boats that take people through the North West Passage now is enough ice to make everyone a liar eh?
Paul MaherSeptember 24, 2014 12:19 am
Where are the Forward Thinkers? I understand that the Rockefeller's have gotten on the divestment bandwagon. My question is, "Where is all of that money going to go?" It is one thing to realize the need for the world to get off the repugnant teat of the oil companies, it's another thing altogether to identify and support a different energy paradigm. The Rockefeller family is responsible for much of the good that grew out of the industrial revolution that was fueled by fossil fuels. However it is clear to even them that started us on gasoline that it is time to change our approach. Here is a list of contenders. 39+ BLACK SWANS With updates, 9/16/14 When you take into account the amount of money that is spent on energy in the US annually, approximately 6-8 Trillion dollars, that's, 200 quads at an equivalent of 8 Billion gallons of gas per Quad. These numbers were extracted from the Energy Information Agency, the EIA. They did not make it easy to get to. There were far to many different units of measurement used, BTU's to Mega Joules, and everything in between , along with missing and irrelevant data, but it has been verified by at least one other independent analyst. It is easy to see how much resistance the oil companies and the Nuclear power folks might muster. Much of this may be new to you. I understand that, but please consider these things. You want innovation that will change the face of the planet? I think that at last count 656 patent applications can be viewed for LENR alone. On another note I added number 17, not because it generated excess energy, but because it's just damned neat that plasma is so easy to generate. Additionally there is much info available through a DOE sanctioned site www.science.gov on all of these birds. Also http://www.sciencedirect.com/ for papers and abstracts. And here is a website put together by the leaders of the LENR Pack, http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/CMNS.htm Come on Already!! It may very well be that not all of these advances will ever come to fruitiion. However at the rate new approaches to energy production are coming to the surface I am reminded of an old adage, "What man can conceive, man can achieve.". About 1 per month is showing up currently. I am betting that at least 1/2 of these birds can power a new and extraordinarily interesting world. Maybe all of them! Do not dismiss these birds. Now here is the deal, this rattles me a little. I ran actoss a presentation made to the Nobel Prize People on Thermionics in 1929. He was over unity. In that paper the term "Perpetuum Mobile" was used. I thought I would google it. People around the world have built so many interesting devices, motors, that ran all by themselves, using MANY curious phenomena Not the least of which is this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMK0dEKWJdY . The big money guys do not give one damn dam about you, me, or the rest of mankind. They may take big write offs because they put on an obfuscatory show of being benefactors, but they cling to that which is killing the earth. I'm a little rattled! It's gotta be on this list, and the list is growing 1. Cold Fusion, also known as Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, Lattice Assisted Nuclear Reactions, Controlled Electron Capture Reaction. These technologies are all about forcing Hydrogen or Deuterium atoms into the crystal lattice of a metal such as Nickel. Once the crystal lattice of the metal nano powder has been sufficently saturated with Hydrogen excess heat is generated. This is not hard to see, as everything is still vibrating, but now all the atoms are in much closer proximity than before. The quanta mechanical explanations are not fully understood, but there are several companies and government offices that have operational devices. Good bye oil. Google LENR, NASA, Zawodny, and Bushnell. NASA loves it. Checkout this youtube video from NASA. The big question is why the DOE is dragging their heels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBjA5LLraX0 http://www.amu.ac.in/newevent/event/9861.pdf http://fas.org/irp/dia/lenr.pdf This is the Federation of American Scientist Do a quick search at the above site for "LENR" The Indians are on it. 2. Dense Plasma Focus goes something like this. Two cylindrical electrodes are enclosed in a glass tube after one electrode is slipped inside the other. The tube is then filled with Boron gas and high voltage is applied to the electrodes. A plasma is then produced and pulsed by a strong magnetic field. As this pulsing is increased and focused the plasmoids begin to ball up on one another. As pulsing continues a beam of electrons emanates from one end of the tube and a beam of protons from the other, with extremely high amounts of energy being produced. Google Charles Chase, Skunk Works, and Dense Plasma Focus. Watch Charles Chase on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAsRFVbcyUY http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/03/dense-plasma-focus-dpf-fusion-systems.html http://www.scribd.com/doc/18992621/ADVANCES-IN-DENSE-PLASMA-FOR-FUSION-POWER-AND-SPACE-PROPULSION-with-George-Miley-Ph-D 3. Catalyzed Hydrogen is what will replace Electrolysis. Molybdenum Sulfide is but one of the substances that will trim the Hydrogen right off the water molecule with no energy being expended, releasing it to power a fuel cell and generate electricity directly. There was a graduate student by the name of Chang working in Berkeley CA on this a couple of years ago. http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-fuel-production/molybdenum-based-catalyst-for-cheap-hydrogen-production/ http://phys.org/news/2014-09-hydrogen-production-breakthrough-herald-cheap.html 4. Graphene is essentially one atom thick layers of Carbon alternated between layers of insulation, such as mylar. When you get a bunch of these layers stacked up and attach electrodes to the top and bottom of the stack you have created a capacitor of another color. Extremely high values of capacitance can be arrived at. 3000 farads is what I have seen advertised, the size of a marine battery. This material can be used as a capacitor, a spectacular new form of battery, or configured as an extremely efficient solar cell. Additionally I have recently heard of work aimed at producing LENR in a Graphene environment. Ampenergo is a company that I think licensed this technology from the government. I want so much for Elon Musk to incorporate this into his new models. http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/matter_energy/graphene/ http://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/semiconductors/nanotechnology/graphene-hybrid-material-lithium-ion-battery-powered-vehicles https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/p9lyoab9wjr/?launcher=false&fcsContent=true&pbMode=normal http://www.zdnet.com/the-10-strangest-facts-about-graphene-3040093050/ http://phys.org/news/2014-09-breakthrough-carbon-nanotube-solar-cells.html Not quite sure where to put this one. http://www.inquisitr.com/555843/graphene-batteries-offer-5-second-iphone-charging/ http://cleantechnica.com/2014/05/26/faster-acceleration-evs-new-supercapacitor-improvement-new-research-uv-riverside-tantalizes/ 5. Zero Point Energy/Energy of the Vacuum used to be a little far out for me, but now I think I've got a cursory handle on it. The process on a Quantum level is much like the process that produces Ball Lightening. When tectonic plates shift causing an earth quake occasionallly something called Ball Lightening happens. Only in Zero Point it is what happens when an Orthorhombic plane from another dimension intersects our dimension and causes a disruption, releasing energy. Here's a Moray B. King video from the Breakthrough Energy Movement. Also a piece straight from NASA discussing something call an EmDrive utilizing RF energy at 935 Mhz to interact with the Energy of the Vacuum. http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052# http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052#http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa2sjMN8sMc https://www.google.com/patents/US7379286 6. Acoustic Cavitation/Bubble Fusion/Sonofusion. I am not sure at all how to say anything about this, but there is a great deal published about the possibility of deriving energy using this phenomenon. http://sonofusionjets.com/ 7. Muon catalyzed Fusion. Oh this is a good one!! Fermi Lab and SLAC developed a coherent beam of Muon's a couple of years ago. They shoot it into Hydrogen or Deuterium gas, and because the Muons have a negative charge equal to an electron, but are 207 times more massive than an electron they knock the electrons out of their shells around the Nucleus and the Fusion is made to happen in the atoms Nucleus. I don't know how many electron shells a beam can penetrate. But I'm betting it is more than one. Pretty good stuff... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu-IKqxVOfo http://wn.com/muon-catalyzed_fusion 8. HALOGEN-CATALYSED COLD NUCLEAR FUSION, yet another, not quite as much info available for this flavor. http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1061-Patent-for-halogen-catalysed-LENR 9. Thermionic Power Generation/Thermoelectric, I heard about this just the other day. It may be that this technology will be a prime player. The devices turn heat from the sun, or anything else directly into electricity, instead of using light as photovoltaic solar cells do. http://www.ornl.gov/ornl/highlights/thermopower-enhancement-in-designer-oxide-superlattices http://mitei.mit.edu/news/running-waste-heat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_generator http://www.science20.com/news_articles/thermionic_conversion_and_path_new_thermoelectronic_generator-125562 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925963511002184 http://energy.gov/eere/sunshot/project-profile-next-generation-thermionic-solar-energy-conversion http://nemanich.physics.asu.edu/sites/default/files/publications/savades/e245327.pdf http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1928/richardson-lecture.pdf I don't quite get it, but here is a patent from 1981 for this technology. I think NOW is the time for it to rise to the occasion. http://www.google.com/patents/US4368416 10. LENR with Zeolites, And of course the loading of zeolite with hydrogen, or deuterium gas http://coldfusionnow.org/iraj-parchamazad-lenr-with-zeolites/ You've got to love these guys. I would think that this would have to be one of the most easily demonstrated methods of cold fusion. At least if you believe these two fellows. 11. Papp Engine. As it turns out plasma is pretty simple to make. Anyone can do it with a 12 V battery. Ever seen a simple spark while you were giving yourself a jump start to your automobiole? Within the spark, taking into account that 1% of the atmosphere is composed of Nobel gases, which go to the Plasma state within the spark. There are no magnets to confine the plasma once it is formed, so it is allowed to expand and drive a piston. My explanation is my own, but I think its close. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNSAXbZfnbE 12. Bloom Box. I don't know how I missed this one. All the big money is going HERE. The video is from 60 minutes a couple of years ago. Things are on a roll here with what looks like a jump for fuel cells. It amounts to thin wafers of Silicon that have been coated with different materials on each side and then stacked, much as the way you would stack Graphene layers upon one another. From what is said on 60 minutes these things are being deployed at major .com outfits in Silicon Valley. http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/alternative-energy-the-bloom-box/ 13. BlackLight Power Hydrino machine. OK, we're at a bakers dozen now, what the heck is going on. 10MW of electricity out of 1 cu. ft. package!!?? http://revolution-green.com/blacklight-power-car-travel-3000-miles-liter-water-without-pollution/ http://www.blacklightpower.com/whats-new/ The following is a caption under an illustration at the above website. SF-CIHT Cell Generates Electricity Directly from Water Freely Available in the Humidity in the Air 14. Steorn Machine. They say that this new kind of electric generator has been duplicated by a number of organizations. A key fundemental cited is "Magnetic Regauging" Ferrite materials figure in as well. I actually have some experience using ferrite material. I built Isolators and circulators for military microwave applications. Biasing a ferrite puck with magnets causes microwave energy to flow in a circular manner within the ferrite. Reverse the magnetic polarity and energy flows in the opposite direction. While I was working in the field as a technician I was told that the phenomenon was not 100% understood. Perhaps it is now. Additionaly I witnessed a couple of folks producing a little bit different kind of sintered ferrite material in the late 80's that turned out to be high temperature super conducting material. It's the symmetry of a magnetic circuit that has been the thing that has been in the way. They say they have created a means of creating a constantly asymmetrical magnetic circuit. Or, something like that. Holy Smokes it's beginning to make sense to me! On a personal note, about 30 years ago I had recurrent dreams of a machine very much like this one. A little spooky! http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm 15. Hydrobetatron. The best information that I have seen so far paints it as another flavor of LENR, BUT IT IS OPEN SOURCED!! http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/06/17/1329/8502332_hydrobetatrons-lenr-open-source-energy-project/ 16. The Stirling Engine If this isn't a show stopper, I don't know what it is!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine#Applications 17. Multiplaz Welding and Cutting Tool, This doesn't generate excess heat, but it uses tap water and alcohol to make a heck of a plasma cutter. The fact that Plasma can so easily and cheaply produced is what I find interesting. http://www.multiplaz.com/about 18. Optical Rectification The deal here is essentially that they have tapped the electromagnetic nature of light. After all, different colored lights have different wavelenghts and therefore different frequencies. Everything from DC to daylight and beyond is what makes up the electromagnetic spectrum. They have now figured out how to rectify these extremely high frequencies and produce direct current electricity. You rectify 60 cycle AC when you build an electrical bridge circuit of diodes to convert it to DC. Optical Rectification is a Quantum kind of thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_rectification http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-04/uom-spw041911.php http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100727006791/en/Black-Swan-Solar-Technology-Emerges#.U3K8dvldWvU http://phys.org/news/2014-09-breakthrough-carbon-nanotube-solar-cells.html I'm not quite sure where to put this one. 19. Thermophotovoltaics http://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/semiconductors/nanotechnology/nanostructured-ceramic-coatings-enable-the-potential-of-thermophotovoltaics 20. Photoswitching This amounts to a hinged nanomolecular construct that switches from one state to the other on demand releasing energy. When the sun isn't out rechargeable solar batteries use a small electric current or a small light to start the switching back to the other state. There is some plumbing involved and a liquid medium holds thr charge. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/scientists-discover-generate-solar-power-172726044.html http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/04/20140412-mit.html http://time.com/65086/how-to-generate-solar-power-where-the-sun-dont-shine/ 21. Ryden dual carbon battery http://news.msn.com/science-technology/the-organic-battery-from-japan-that-could-spawn-the-next-tesla-1 http://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferhicks/2014/05/13/sustainable-materials-take-shape-japans-new-dual-carbon-battery/ http://powerjapanplus.com/ http://www.gizmag.com/dual-carbon-fast-charging-battery/32121/ 22. Singlet Exiton Fission A new approach to Solar Cells http://theenergycollective.com/energyatmit/378581/getting-more-electricity-out-solar-cells?utm_source=tec_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&inf_contact_key=32bc4b5ff44c3f65c48459a81ad4522063b12942604cd4202d07ed0e152a7292 23. Thorium Molten Salt Reactor I have resisted this one, but I couldn't tell you why. I have not seen scalability yet. http://flibe-energy.com/ Al Opdenaker likes this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knofNX7HCbg# The best!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbyr7jZOllI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyqYP6f66Mw 24. Vanadium Redox-flow Battery http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/fuelefficient/chi-salt-water-powers-allelectric-supercar-20140909-story.html http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2011/ph240/xie2/ http://www.energystoragenews.com/Vanadium%20Redox%20Flow%20Batteries.htm 25. Artificial Leaf Straight from MIT http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2011/artificial-leaf-0930 26. Thermionic Self Charging Graphene Batteries, google "self charging batteries"!! The hybridization has begun. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1203/1203.0161.pdf 27. Piezoelectric self charging Batteries http://techxplore.com/news/2014-02-self-charging-battery-boost-nanocomposite.html 28. Magnetic Field Regauging Some of the stuff on this list is pretty wild. Some of the websites that discuss this topic are pretty hard to swallow, but the science is catching up with recent lab results and discoveries. A little time searching on google and you will start seeing the possibilities. http://www.scielo.cl/pdf/ingeniare/v16nespecial/art09.pdf 29. BEST HomeMade Magnetic Motor Construction - HoJo Motor It deserves a closer look 30. Superhydrophobia A weak Black Swan at best, but it is a new way to generate it. From MITEI http://mitei.mit.edu/news/getting-charge-out-water-droplets?utm_source=MIT+Energy+Initiative&utm_campaign=fa93fe6256-eNewsletter_Test10_16_2012&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_eb3c6d9c51-fa93fe6256-75680285 31. Steam from the sun New way of making steam from MITEI http://mitei.mit.edu/news/steam-sun?utm_source=MIT+Energy+Initiative&utm_campaign=fa93fe6256-eNewsletter_Test10_16_2012&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_eb3c6d9c51-fa93fe6256-75680285 32. Cannae Drive/EmDrive Straight from NASA http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052 http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/1/5959637/nasa-cannae-drive-tests-have-promising-results http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/nasa-confirms-impossible-space-drive-actually-works-revolutionize-space-travel/#!btWi8Z 33. Traveling Wave Reactor Bill Gates is working this one. http://nuclear-wiki.org/display/HOME/TerraPower+TWR 34. Solid-State Batteries http://www.autonews.com/article/20140127/OEM06/301279980/toyota-preps-solid-state-batteries-for-20s http://www2.technologyreview.com/article/423685/solid-state-batteries/ If graphene doesn't do it all by itself this technology is staged to replace Lithium in 2020. 35. HHO-Catlytic Converter, or H-CAT http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/01/31/looking-at-the-h-cat-experiment-with-hho-gas-and-a-catalytic-converter/ 36. Betavoltaics/Nuclear Batteries "For 50 years, people have been investigating converting simple nuclear decay into usable energy, but the yields were always too low," Fauchet explained. "We've found a way to make the interaction much more efficient, and we hope these findings will lead to a new kind of battery that can pump out energy for years." http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7843868/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/nuclear-battery-keeps-going-going/#.VBj-KfldWX8 http://www.electronics-eetimes.com/en/water-based-nuclear-battery-generates-electrical-energy.html?news_id=222922392&cmp_id=7 http://phys.org/news/2012-08-nanotritium-battery-good-twenty-years.html http://technews.tmcnet.com/news/2011/07/21/5653013.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140916132519.htm 37. "Photoinduced Electron Transfer pathways in Hydrogen-Evolving Reduced Graphene Oxide-Boosted Hybrid Nano-Bio Catalyst," appeared in the July 7 issue of ACS Nano.Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-09-nanosized-hydrogen.html#jCp http://phys.org/news/2014-09-nanosized-hydrogen.html 38. Optoelectric Nuclear Battery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optoelectric_nuclear_battery 39+. Here's a list of different ways of getting to Fusion, old and new. I am still evaluating several of these. Some of them look like dead dogs, others are up and coming. To date, there have been several approaches to try to harness fusion reaction for electricity production: Tokamak, Levitated Dipole, Riggatron, Field-Reversed Configuration, Reversed Field Pinch, Magnetic Mirror Fusion Reactor, Spheromak, Laser Fusion, Z-machine, MagLIF, Focus Fusion, Farnsworth–Hirsch Fusor, Bussard Polywell, Muon-catalyzed Fusion, Heavy Ion Fusion, Magnetized Target Fusion, Colliding Plasma Toroid Fusion, Cold Fusion, Sonofusion, Pyroelectric Fusion, Astron, Tri Alpha Energy, Helion Energy, Beam Fusion, General Fusion, Migma, and others.[26][27] Paul D. Maher www.coldfusionnow.org
franciscosvillaSeptember 23, 2014 11:45 pm
I love the caption for the photo at the top of the article: "Sea ice is reaching summer lows in the Arctic." At the end of summer? INCONCEIVABLE!!!!!
Mike JubowSeptember 23, 2014 10:10 pm
An interesting side light to the discussion of air-conditioners. If local temperatures climb over 40 C, the efficiency and cooling effectiveness drops away rapidly until at 45 C all you get out of the machine is a hot breeze blowing in your face. It doesn't need anyone with a science degree to tell you this, we already have experienced this problem first hand here in North Queensland, Australia.
Elven ShamanSeptember 23, 2014 10:08 pm
past 2 to 3 years Arctic ice has increased. forget about the past, those charts lie. in 10 years there will be a significant increase in certain areas of sea ice. MARK THOSE WORDS DOWN.
rwayfordSeptember 23, 2014 9:49 pm
Just one question: What Mann-made event begat this Holocene Era? O, the Vanity of it all!
rwayfordSeptember 23, 2014 9:46 pm
So, in the Southern case, their explanation is Natural Variabilityo but, in the North, IT MUST BE due to Mann-made CO2? Nope. No Confirmation Bias in this (Political) "scientist's" reportage. In 2011, Kevin Bevos/Yahoo reported MASSIVE amounts of NATURAL Gas bubbling out of the seabed of the Arctic Ocean, 86% CH4... which over 80X CO 2's GWP (Global Warming Potential; by IPCC's AR5 definition!), for the first 20 years; followed by 80 more years at 25X CO2's GWP. Even after 500 years, CH4 still has 7.6X the GWP of CO2! And CH4 from the time of Columbus has been oxidizing into H2O and, Surprise, CO2! The sick part is these "scientists" comprehend this yet choose to nurse from the funding teat rather than challenge their Political "science" colleagues. Since 1750, CO2 is up just 40%; whereas CH4 is up 151-168%. Is it any wonder, then The Arctic is leading the continuation of the Holocene (melting) Era? These "scientists" also realize that historically, CO2 rise TRAILS Global Warming by 800 years. The methane Warms the ice which RELEASES the CO2 trapped within it... NOT the reverse.
Fay TuncaySeptember 23, 2014 7:51 pm
State of the Climate Debate Slides:http://marshall.org/wp-content/uploads/files/2014/09/Curry-slides-9-16-2014-marshall.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttTYgDhic0
smSeptember 23, 2014 6:47 pm
And round the earth goes. Ever changing and will long after we are gone.
Max MogrenSeptember 23, 2014 6:09 pm
Intentional weather/climate modification is the elephant in the room on the climate issue. There are more factors at play in our changing climate than just CO2 emissions. SRM geoengineering technologies proposed as solutions have actually been implemented as a political, economic, and military tool for decades. How about we respond to all factors causing climate change and not just the military industrial complex's controlled debate centered on CO2?
Hal BurtonSeptember 23, 2014 4:45 pm
Those who preach from th altar of man-made global-warming, like Al Gore, work to confuse natural climate change with man-made global warming.
JRSeptember 23, 2014 4:30 pm
You loose a lot of credibility quoting the "daily mail". I have read it for years, and it is not much more than a tabloid paper. but interesting note, the article you quote even says not to read to much into the increase of ice this year, as the caps over the last eight years have been shrinking. but nice try at deflection though.
JRSeptember 23, 2014 4:04 pm
Far, far more credible than you. its clear that your rant is politically motivated and not based on either science, or the basic text of this article. ever get off your couch much?
Straight StuffSeptember 23, 2014 1:39 pm
This was a mainstream expression of public opinion. These were Americans, hundreds of thousands of them. A few glitterati, so you choose to focus on that. I do not. The tide is turning. People realize that this is an issue of economic development, of public health, of the future for America and the rest of the world. We have to face this terrible problem we have created--there is no backup if we have ruined the earth's systems.
markoparSeptember 23, 2014 12:22 pm
Global Warming Is Benefiting Trees, Forests Trees are growing at an accelerated rate due to global warming, scientists conclude in a new peer-reviewed study. The study documents faster tree growth in recent decades and concludes longer growing seasons and rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are stimulating the benefits. A team of European forestry scientists analyzed growth rates of Norway spruce and European beech trees – the dominant tree species in Central Europe – since 1870. The scientists discovered both species are growing substantially faster since 1960 than in the decades before 1960. Norway spruce trees are growing a healthy 32 percent faster since 1960, while European beech trees are growing an astounding 77 percent faster since 1970. Boosted by this accelerated growth, the volume of Norway spruce stands is increasing 10 percent faster than prior to 1960, while the volume of European beech stands is increasing 30 percent faster than prior to 1960. “Statistical analyses of the experimental plots, and application of an ecophysiological model, suggest that mainly the rise in temperature and extended growing seasons contribute to increased growth acceleration,” the study reports.forest photos 1 The scientists report rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are also directly contributing to the improved tree growth. The study confirms many prior studies showing global warming is benefiting plant life and causing an overall greening of the Earth. In a 2010 study published in the peer-reviewed Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, scientists reported trees in the eastern United States are enjoying higher growth rates due to warmer temperatures and rising carbon dioxide levels. A 2013 study co-authored by scientists at the University of California Berkeley and the Save the Redwoods environmentalist group found global warming is creating “ideal growing conditions” for California redwood and sequoia trees, creating a surge in growth rates for the iconic trees as the planet warms. In a 2013 study published in the peer-reviewed Geophysical Research Letters, scientists analyzed satellite data from 1982 through 2010 and discovered a carbon dioxide “fertilization effect” boosting global plant life. The greening of the Earth was especially pronounced in arid climates bordering deserts, causing global deserts to shrink. The scientists found the greening was due to higher atmospheric carbon dioxide levels and more conducive climate conditions. These are just a few of the many studies finding carbon dioxide and global warming are making the planet a better place for trees, forests, and plant life in general. Global warming alarmists and their media allies invariably report agenda-driven predictions of global warming doom and gloom as “science” while ignoring real-world scientific observations showing substantial global warming benefits. This pattern of distortion is holding true regarding the greening of the Earth, as the media are largely ignoring this latest study and its important good news.
markoparSeptember 23, 2014 12:21 pm
Government Will Control You Before It Controls Climate May 7, 2014 - 5:24 AM By Terence P. Jeffrey Ultimately, it will not matter if people in government cynically promote the theory that human activity is destroying the global climate as a means of taking control of your life, or if they take control of your life because they sincerely believe human activity is destroying the global climate. Either way, government will control of your life. The National Climate Assessment the Obama administration released this week describes in Sisyphean terms the task government faces in limiting carbon dioxide emissions, which the assessment says make up 84 percent of the greenhouse gas emissions it holds guilty of artificially warming our planet. "Of the carbon dioxide emitted from human activities in a year, about half is removed from the atmosphere by natural processes within a century, but around 20 percent continues to circulate and to effect atmospheric concentrations for thousands of years," says the report. "Stabilizing or reducing atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations, therefore, require very deep reductions in future emissions — ultimately approaching zero — to compensate for past emissions that are still circulating in the Earth system." How would government start down the road to achieving zero carbon dioxide emissions from human activities? "The two dominant production sectors responsible for these emissions are electric power generation (coal and gas) and transportation (petroleum)," says the assessment. "Over the period 1963-2008," says the assessment, "annual U.S. carbon dioxide emissions slightly more than doubled, because growth in emissions potential attributable to increases in population and GDP per person outweighed reductions contributed by lowered energy and carbon intensity and changes in economic structure." In sum, America had too many people enjoying too much wealth while traveling too freely and using too much electricity. Some jerk with a wife, three kids and a station wagon went on too many long drives back in 1965, recklessly spitting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, some of which will still be there long after Barack Obama has surrendered the Oval Office. Worse, each of the station wagon drivers' three kids now own an air-conditioned home with a two-car garage, housing a minivan and an SUV. At a United Nations conference in Mexico in 2010, the Obama Administration pledged to cut U.S. greenhouse gas emissions to 17 percent less than what they were in 2005. That, however, would get the United States nowhere near zero — let alone where we were in 1965. And, even if the U.S. government prohibited Americans from emitting a single burp of CO2, what would it matter if China and India and Indonesia and Pakistan continued to grow their own economies and populations and concomitant emissions? Hurricanes would whip Florida, tornadoes would torment Kansas, and the sea level would threaten low-lying areas of New York and New Jersey — as Americans huddled in their hot, humid hovels — because environmentally insensitive peoples in Shanghai and Islamabad were still buying new cars and turning up their air-conditioning. White House science adviser John P. Holdren — who, along with National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Administrator Kathryn Sullivan, released the administration's climate assessment — has been thinking about problems like this for decades. Forty-one years ago, he published "Human Ecology: Problems and Solution," co-authored with Paul and Anne Ehrlich, who had written "The Population Bomb." "Environmental degradation is not the sum of independent causes, it is the multiplicative product of interconnected ones," Holdren and the Ehrlichs wrote. "The relation can be written as a mathematical equation: total environmental damage equals population, times the level of material affluence per person, times the environmental damage done by the technology we use to supply each bit of affluence." "Halting population growth must be done, but that alone would not be enough," they wrote. "Stabilizing or reducing the per capita consumption of resources in the United States is necessary, but not sufficient. Attempts to reduce technology's impact on the environment are essential, but ultimately will be futile if population and affluence grow unchecked." "Clearly," they said, "if there is to be any chance of success, simultaneous attacks must be mounted on all components of the problem." "A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States," they concluded. "The need for de-development presents our economists with a major challenge," they said. "They must design a stable, low-consumption economy in which there is a much more equitable distribution of wealth than in the present one. Redistribution of wealth both within and among nations is absolutely essential, if a decent life is to be provided for every human being." Two decades later, in an essay published by the World Bank, Holdren, Ehrlich and Gretchen Daily of Stanford University, reiterated this analysis. "We know for certain, for example," they wrote, " No form of material growth (including population growth), is sustainable." "This is enough," they said, "to say quite a lot about what needs to be faced up to eventually (a world of zero net physical growth), what should be done now (change unsustainable practices, reduce excessive material consumption, slow down population growth), and what the penalty will be for postponing attention to population limitation (lower well-being per person)." In a nation where government can de-develop the economy, stop population growth and redistribute wealth both inside and outside its borders, there will still be droughts, floods and hot summer nights. But there will be no freedom.
AlSeptember 23, 2014 12:01 pm
"CO2 has NEVER been a leading indicator of warming, it has always been a LAGGING indicator" CO2 didn't initiate warming from past ice ages but it did amplify the warming. In fact, about 90% of the global warming followed the CO2 increase. https://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm "The world has NOT BECOME WARMER IN 17 YEARS..." 2010 is the hottest year on record, tied with 2005. The planet has continued to accumulate heat since 1998 - global warming is still happening. Nevertheless, surface temperatures show much internal variability due to heat exchange between the ocean and atmosphere. 1998 was an unusually hot year due to a strong El Nino. https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998-basic.htm The vast majority of climate papers in the 1970s predicted warming. The 70's ice age predictions were predominantly media based. The majority of peer reviewed research at the time predicted warming due to increasing CO2. The rest of your comment is as ridicules as what preceded it.
Amos BattoSeptember 23, 2014 11:57 am
Actually deforestation in the last decade has been less than it was during the 1990s. Only in tropical regions is there now net deforestation. In temperate regions like Europe, Asia and North America, there is more reforestation and afforestation than deforestation. According to the IPCC AR5 WG1 report, land use change (which is mostly deforestation) only causes 17% of greenhouse gas emissions world-wide. Deforestation is a major problem in tropical countries like Brazil, Bolivia, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc., but it isn't a problem for US, China, Russia, EU, Japan, Australia, Korea, which are the big emitors of GHGs.
AlSeptember 23, 2014 11:52 am
How so? Do you know their carbon footprint? I find it more egregious to sit & critique people who are actually attempting change through action.
AlSeptember 23, 2014 11:49 am
Weather is not climate! http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html#.VCFP8PldW2Y
Amos BattoSeptember 23, 2014 11:43 am
@bobplugh:disqus, Your objections are all over the place and don't make much sense. China is very scared about global warming, since their wheat producing regions in the north are turning into desert and the summer water source for the Yangtse and Yellow rivers will disappear when the Himalayan glaciers melt, threatening wet rice production in the south. In other words, global warming means that China might starve to death and Shanghai and many other coastal cities will be flooded. According to an international poll, China has the highest percentage in the world of the public who believe that humans are causing global warming. China is currently investing more in wind and solar power than any other country on the planet and it seriously talking about implementing a carbon tax. In other words, China is willing to sign up for an international agreement to limit emissions if the US and other large emitters are also on board. As for your argument that CO2 has never been a leading indicator, you are right if you are talking about past ice ages. The Milankovitch cycles of the sun started the climate change, which then produced more CO2, which in turned amplified the change, thus creating a feedback loop. However in the current climate change, CO2 has been the leading indicator. The CO2 levels have increased before the temperature change. As for warming being stalled for the last 17 years, that is only true if you cherry-pick your data. First of all you are looking at data from the Hadley Center, which excludes the polar regions which are the fastest warming regions on the planet. If you look at the GISS temperature record, which interpolates data for the polar regions, there has been slight warming for the last 17 years. Second, you are looking at temperatures since 1998, which was the warmest year in the 20th century. If you started looking at warming from any other year in the 1990s, you get a different result. Looking at average temperatures in decade-long units, you see that the 2000's were warmer than the 1990s, which were warmer than 1980s, which were warmer than the 1970s. Third, you are only looking at surface temperatures of the atmosphere, but the atmosphere only absorbs 2%-3% of global heat. The oceans have absorbed 93% of excess global heat (See Leviticus et al. 2013), and the oceans have continued to warm over the last 17 years. Likewise the cryosphere (ice) has continued to warm, as shown by the melting of glaciers, Greenland and polar ice caps. Nuclear power costs more than solar, wind, geothermal and hydroelectric power, so there is little reason to invest in it, plus it presents much greater potential risks. Population growth isn't a major cause of climate change. Most growth in emissions has happened in countries which have low population growth. The problem is that richer people consume more energy and emit more CO2. Richer people tend to have few kids. Data shows that mandatory population controls, such as China implements, are actually less effective than voluntary controls. Asian countries around China have managed to limit their population growth more than China by using voluntary controls. It looks to me that you are just searching for any excuse to not take responsibility for limiting your own emissions.
Brair RabbitSeptember 23, 2014 10:06 am
Antarctic sea ice is indeed at a record high at least as far as satellite measurements are concerned. In fact the sea ice extent is quite extraordinary and is about four standard deviations away from the average. As for "melting" Antarctic land ice I don't think there is too much of a problem there given winter temperatures in the Antarctic and for most of the summer. In the Arctic the summer melt of sea ice has now come to an end as the sun sinks lower in the sky. The sea ice here while below average is within two standard deviations of the average and there is no cause for panic especially given the multitude of factors influencing sea ice formation. The predictions of no summer sea ice in the near future are like previous predictions for Arctic ice just fanciful and alarmist. The polar bears incidentally are doing just fine now that hunting has been more strictly controlled.
Katness EverdeanSeptember 23, 2014 7:40 am
In March 2009, the Prince of Wales issued the (false) prophecy that the world had only eight years to avert ecosystem collapse due to man-made global-warming.
Joseph BitenSeptember 23, 2014 5:40 am
In a 2006 report on man-made global-warming, climate fortune-teller Nicholas Stern claimed that the cost of man-made global-warming would be equivalent to losing five per cent of global economic production each year.
Barney RossSeptember 23, 2014 4:52 am
The story of Anthropogenic Global Warming (man-made global-warming) is a story of science fiction conjured up to fool the gullible and the ignorant.
jabusseSeptember 23, 2014 4:43 am
because the conference, like all UN get-togethers is not about the subject but about the people who go.
jabusseSeptember 23, 2014 4:42 am
At last the story is so obviously left wing warmist dribble that it leaves nothing more to be said.....Record Ice in the south and by golly gosh at the end of the summer the arctic ice is at a yearly low. Shezam Drill Sgt. And the warmists cry foul for the extra ice in the south and cry woe and doom for the pretty normal low ice in the north. And they still think they are credible?
Devon ShireSeptember 23, 2014 4:42 am
You do realize it's the end of summer, right? And over the next few months, the Arctic will freeze again, like it does every year.
bernard townsendSeptember 23, 2014 4:08 am
As the Arctic gets warmer, more permafrost melts, the lands surrounding the Arctic retain the residual heat from the warm summer heat, the warmer air carries more moisture, the ice melt and evaporation provides more clouds which provoke more melting and more evaporation, the winds carry the clouds full of moisture to lands far far away, it isn't a matter of the ice melting and sea levels going up, the winds bring the tremendous amounts to places far far away. The feedback loops of the warmth are just getting established/
mrvSeptember 23, 2014 3:36 am
Kudos to you!
mrvSeptember 23, 2014 3:36 am
Didn't you see the first "Simpsons Movie?"
mrvSeptember 23, 2014 3:35 am
Good luck getting China, India,Brazil, and Russia to "cough up" some money!
mrvSeptember 23, 2014 3:32 am
I guess they better start moving those people living on islands, like the Marshall Islands,to the mainland.
mrvSeptember 23, 2014 3:30 am
California has had water issues for decades; Arizona, Nevada,also. They should have begun the investment in desalination plants years ago. The political will wasn't there to reduce welfare programs and their three million plus state workers.
Max BinSeptember 23, 2014 1:24 am
well I see the only solution is to wipe out most of asia
Ron BockmanSeptember 22, 2014 10:40 pm
there is also this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html
ConchytonkerSeptember 22, 2014 10:18 pm
The greenies are a bunch of hypocritical slobs.......
bobplughSeptember 22, 2014 10:15 pm
The bottom line is - if China does not act, the rest of the world will simply throw themselves at China's feet. As the rest of the worlds spends TRILLIONS of dollars reducing CO2 emissions (literally throwing money away), China will only benefit from this and they know it. But, the real people that want us to act are the BANKERS - the people that want to CONTROL THE POPULATION. CO2 has NEVER been a leading indicator of warming, it has always been a LAGGING indicator. The world has NOT BECOME WARMER IN 17 YEARS, but yet they shrug that off like it doesn't matter. Before that they look at the previous data, but it wasn't all that long ago that we were about to enter an ICE AGE! I STILL remember the scientists crying, screaming that we won't have enough food or energy to survive the coming ice age!!! Nuclear Power would be the only guaranteed way to keep power going. So, what has happened? Over the past 35 years, we have let the DUMBEST OF THE DUMB people on this planet procreate like there is no tomorrow. The Welfare States, The Blacks in Africa, The Indians, and Chinese (although many of them are not that dumb). When ANYONE even MENTIONS population control they are shouted down, but, it must happen - it is INEVITABLE. Just look at Ebola - sooner or later something will happen that will devastate the populations of the world if we don't limit it ourselves. Plus, if we limit the population ourselves, we will also limit our need for energy! The entire mess becomes a lot easier to handle. But it has to start EVERYWHERE. STOP LETTING WOMEN HAVE MORE THAN 2 babies in a lifetime. After two it should be MANDATORY STERILIZATION.
BillHarrySeptember 22, 2014 7:36 pm
This is ridiculous.
floridanativeeSeptember 22, 2014 7:35 pm
From the photos I saw, there was a bunch of very weird folks attending the event. Politicians flew in on their private jets. Hollywood folks like DeCapreco left their 470 foot yachts to attend, and socialist, communist, and anti capitalist were all there in full force. Hard to give any credability to these types.
Dakota BarrySeptember 22, 2014 7:12 pm
What a bunch of hypocrits...probably most of them flew or drove their car to the "protest".
EhuudSeptember 22, 2014 7:04 pm
If only we could be informed about how the 400 plus busses that brought in the protesters were able to do so without spewing any pollution this would be an immense benefit to the environment.
Lt.Dan .September 22, 2014 6:58 pm
The human race would rather kill itself than take one dollar less in profits.
Roald J. LarsenSeptember 22, 2014 6:33 pm
Impressing to read an article based on science that doesn't contain any science! Guess that's why people drink .. http://roaldjlarsen.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/one-graph-tells-the-whole-story/ Stupidity is king! http://roaldjlarsen.wordpress.com/2014/09/22/stupidity-is-king/
hresitzzoSeptember 22, 2014 3:27 pm
I think that this past winter has pretty much busted the myth of man-made global-warming.
Rose GlassezSeptember 22, 2014 2:48 pm
We don't have to live with the intentions of ice-age deniers, we have to live with the consequences.
القضيب سوداء كبيرةSeptember 22, 2014 2:45 pm
Climate change deniers' heads are exploding with conspiracy theories.
slugSeptember 22, 2014 5:08 am
Have they slowed deforestation in the past twenty years?
exboyracerSeptember 21, 2014 11:34 pm
Fat chance anything will change when one of the major players is inhabited by an increasingly ignorant population that has made denial a cult. Really glad I am old.
Jack HortonSeptember 21, 2014 2:33 pm
Due to the Sun's de Vries cycle, German scientists Luedecke and Weiss predict that the earth's heading back to a little ice age.
Hoo MeSeptember 21, 2014 1:24 pm
While unprecedented climate catastrophes are not on the horizon, it is possible that we may return to an ice age in several thousand years.
Roberta CrichtonSeptember 21, 2014 12:45 pm
When it comes to climate science, it's clearly not settled.
Susan RaymentSeptember 21, 2014 10:44 am
...and London too - in a few hours time!
Andy DufresneSeptember 21, 2014 6:40 am
Despite man-made global-warming fortune-tellers conjuring up fears of diminishing snow-pack and more forest fires, glaciers are advancing and forest fires declining.
John PailySeptember 20, 2014 8:27 pm
We are heating up the environment exponentially and we have intruded into the night cycle when earth works to cool the system. Plants are known to absorb the light and heat and transform it into biological mass. They are known to use up CO2 and produce O2 into the environment thus vitalizing the environment such that other living systems including humans can thrive. We are digging our own grave in the ignorance of the simple principle and design by which earth works to sustain certain energy to matter ratio and thus the heat/temperature of the environment and also CO2 to O2 ratio http://www.thecanadiandaily.ca/2013/08/30/part-1-knowledge-that-can-save-humanity-from-climate-catastrophes/
John PailySeptember 20, 2014 7:46 pm
If we are to stop climate change and the destruction we witness we should know in simplicity PRINCIPLE AND DESIGN on which earth works to sustain the heat and temperature of earth within limits. In our ignorance we are pushing her to limit and she reacting to balance herself by accelerating the change. The coming cycles will be more disastrous. In the past I have written to all the top leaders and organization of the world trying awaken them to the simple realities. But they exist recalcitrant and slave to the present energy industry. I am positive in my outlook for the world. But I am not sure how much destruction the world has to takes before the ego of humans breaks down to see the simple truth that exist next to his skin http://www.thecanadiandaily.ca/2013/08/30/part-1-knowledge-that-can-save-humanity-from-climate-catastrophes/ http://www.scribd.com/doc/161586906/Energy-to-Matter-Ratio-A-New-Vision-to-Understand-Global-Climate-Change-and-to-deal-with-it
Ann DeezSeptember 20, 2014 6:43 pm
I think that this past winter has pretty much busted the myth of man-made global-warming.
Bar AbbasSeptember 20, 2014 4:00 pm
What a mess.
Steve RogersSeptember 20, 2014 3:52 pm
Each of us should also remember that there is no scientific proof that any of the proposed solutions to man-made global-warming will actually have any impact upon the climate.
LeonardoSeptember 20, 2014 1:02 pm
this vital pricing for the CO2 trading would put stability in the climate change investments now being offered for better and reasonable economic projection needed by investors.
aloha597September 20, 2014 10:38 am
Those preaching man-made global warming claim that the science is incontrovertible. In reality, nothing in science is incontrovertible.
Nathan JessupSeptember 20, 2014 9:33 am
In this video we find renowned climate-scientist, atmospheric-expert, and soothsayer, Woody Harrelson, describing his scientific credentials: http://youtu.be/Md08Mrxwpb8
Caeser FlickermanSeptember 20, 2014 9:17 am
The story of man-made global warming is a story of science fiction. Other than measurements here and there, there's nothing scientific about it.
Captain HadleySeptember 20, 2014 5:50 am
If today's liberals will callously murder the unborn, who won't they attack?
WowSeptember 20, 2014 4:08 am
Climate Change causes sea-level rise which speeds up erosion. Erosion typically takes decades and a man his age would NOT see the beach completely gone if not for the effects of sea level rise, which is a product of climate change as the ice caps melt.
Buzz FledderjohnSeptember 20, 2014 1:27 am
"warmers will not allow the vast majority of scientists to weigh in on the subject" Really? Where's the evidence that the 30,000 or so climate scientist who active publish research on climate change are missing a larger number of individuals that aren't allowed to weigh in?
Buzz FledderjohnSeptember 20, 2014 1:25 am
Not that it really matters, but Gore actually graduated Harvard cum laude , meaning "with honors."
Buzz FledderjohnSeptember 20, 2014 1:20 am
Bruce... How many research papers on climate change have you read?
Buzz FledderjohnSeptember 20, 2014 1:19 am
"Yet, I am the only one in my neighborhood with hundreds of houses that has solar panels." Hm... In my neighborhood maybe half the houses have solar. I see you come from the school of "making sh-t up."
savethechildrenSeptember 19, 2014 9:36 pm
I'd love to see your source for that preposterous claim. Sea level rise is faster today than at any time in the past 2000 years. By a LONG shot.
bufo75September 19, 2014 12:59 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/jan/27/david-cameron-eco-image-retoxification Friends re-united !
bufo75September 19, 2014 12:56 pm
Good to see the two "husky-hugging" friends together again ! LOL
weescampSeptember 19, 2014 11:38 am
So there will be investment in projects but not in creating a long term Scottish renewables technology manufacturing sector. So what benefit do you think that is long term to the Scottish economy? Nothing changes.
Sarah Chen LinSeptember 19, 2014 10:07 am
It's really sad to see most people still don't understand or believe in climate change but fast forward 50 years from now (or perhaps even sooner) and we'll be the ones telling them "we told you so" hahahaha But I'd rather we all work together now and avoid that kind of awkward situation in the future. "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win" =]
Sarah Chen LinSeptember 19, 2014 10:02 am
Most environmental NGOs are actually against hydro projects in case you didn't know. Building dams to generate electricity is actually more detrimental to the environment, poses more risk for the people living near the area and harms the economy on the long run. It is a misconception that it is a "green" and "clean" energy source. I don't blame you if you don't come from an environmental science background but I suggest you read up on it.
Kees van der GeestSeptember 19, 2014 9:25 am
Hi Sophie, good you write about this! Note that the work on loss and damage is not primarily about compensation. It's about how to deal with impacts that cannot be or have not been avoided by mitigation and adaptation efforts, especially among the most vulnerable populations. If you take a look at the work plan, you will see that the word compensation is not even mentioned. The work plan can de downloaded here: http://unfccc.int/files/adaptation/cancun_adaptation_framework/loss_and_damage/application/pdf/workplan_18sept_11am.pdf
OskarSeptember 19, 2014 12:47 am
Really? There is no conspiracy it is a hard fact that climate change has been happening for years. you are just to ignorant to accept it.
ClimateLearnerSeptember 18, 2014 10:19 pm
The commitment to renewables could by itself wreck Scotland's industrial competitiveness. The supine position of the SNP in the face of eco-lobbying is a major concern, but an independent Scotland could still vote them out.
Ted StanwoodSeptember 18, 2014 3:28 pm
What the gentleman does not seem to understand is this. His world the way it was, he got to see and use. The world the way it will be his and other's descendants will get to see, and use. No beach? It will not be missed by those who follow. The world is constant change, there is no way for it to stay the same. Pitiful efforts of mankind are meaningless. Life has been fprced to move countless times on this Earth, that never ends.
Lennart BilénSeptember 18, 2014 3:25 pm
What are they protesting? Is it that the Antarctic sea ice is now the largest ever since satellite records begun, surpassing 20 million square kilometers. It is a sign of Climate change alright, but of Cooling. http://lenbilen.com/2014/09/18/antarctic-sea-ice-keeps-growing-and-growing-now-over-20-million-square-kilometers-new-absolute-records-set-six-days-in-a-row/
PeteSeptember 18, 2014 3:25 pm
Sorry but these atolls all sink or are worn away by erosion, it has nothing to do with climate change....
PygmalionSeptember 18, 2014 3:16 pm
Financial traders have to make hundreds of split-second decisions every day. Some are tough calls - they win some, they lose some. Not putting any stock in Ban Ki Moon is one of the easy ones.
Climate HomeSeptember 18, 2014 2:41 pm
Thanks for the note JimmyP. Worth pointing out that envoys from those countries will attend, just not the leaders. Are there any other reasons why you think the meeting is "basically useless" Best wishes, Ed King RTCC
Paul MatthewsSeptember 18, 2014 2:09 pm
It's this new report that is flawed economics. Prof Reiner Grundmann describes it as "wishful thinking", and makes the point that you need back-up for renewables because of their intermittent nature. http://klimazwiebel.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/sirens-for-new-york.html Amazingly, this simple and obvious fact does not seem to mentioned in the new report by Stern and his like-minded colleagues.
David O'FlynnSeptember 18, 2014 12:52 pm
A fair price for carbon will mean some externalities are finally being properly absorbed by goods. A simple example is renewable energy which is low carbon would become even more competitive with fossil fuel heavy energy sources
Swo FordSeptember 18, 2014 12:23 pm
We should also remember that Iceland has one of the highest gun-ownership rates in the world and yet has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.
JimmyPSeptember 18, 2014 11:42 am
This climate change meeting is basically useless. China, Russia and India have already said that they won't attend.
Climate HomeSeptember 18, 2014 9:13 am
Hi Agsb, By last count 122 leaders of the 193 UN member states say they will attend. So I guess it's how you define 'most'. A further 40 senior officials are taking part, brining participation up to the 160 mark. As for temp, the NY average is 21C at that point in Sept, and the BBC says it will be 20C on the day. I think it's important we keep a little perspective here Best wishes, ed - RTCC editor
James CrockettSeptember 18, 2014 3:15 am
It's very simple, actually: Low solar activity ? global cooling ? cool summer ? cold winter.
agsbSeptember 17, 2014 6:44 pm
Is that the climate meeting that most major world leaders chose to ignore except Obama. Most said they have a country to run, not attend meetings and it is predicted that they will have record COLD at the meeting.
zakk49September 17, 2014 4:50 pm
You can use correlation in statistics to determine the probable cause of the phenomena. Then scientists have to find out how it actually works scientifically. Until scientists can do that, it is all conjecture.
Will HuntingSeptember 17, 2014 12:16 pm
It's not the intentions of ice-age deniers we have to live with, it's the consequences.
joeg2September 17, 2014 1:40 am
The sun is by far the most influential climate driver. Next is water vapor. Air is also a significant contributor. This Axis of Evil must be destroyed, to save the planet. We must reduce the pollutants we know as air and water by at least 70%. The sun must also be stopped. Help save the earth. Eliminate sunlight, water, and air. These climate pollutants must be dealt with. The moon has a stable climate. Let's follow the example of the moon.
rwayfordSeptember 17, 2014 1:09 am
And this is one of the wettest millennia in the last eight for CA.! Perhaps Mann shouldn't spend SO much of his time trying to make mountains from molehills?
NickSeptember 16, 2014 10:17 pm
Another record global temperature month emerges - second or third this year. But let's not "read too much" into this. Just a little global warming, that's all. Hey, what about all that "global warming has paused" and "the earth is cooling"? Somehow, the earth isn't cooperating with that scenario.
mattwmSeptember 16, 2014 10:14 pm
But that's just one region, not globally. That's what liberals say when we inform them that most the country had a COOLER than normal August. Hey liberals, it's not global warming, it's called summer time.
Steven CohenSeptember 16, 2014 10:12 pm
Yet CC deniers keep insisting that the world has not warmed over the past 17 years or so. NASA states that August 2014 was the 354th consecutive month that worldwide average temps were above the 1951-80 norms. That seems like a long term warming trend to me. Ocean temps are warming too.
inductancereluctanceSeptember 16, 2014 8:34 pm
What do the uneducated deniers have to say about that ?
Escape76September 16, 2014 8:07 pm
The satellite data says otherwise for August. The satellite data says August was .2 C above average.
jSeptember 16, 2014 2:31 pm
so that is your suggestion Daniel? do nothing and take the risk? , even there is just 1% of the change they are not lying , we should do sth , agree?
Guy TannerSeptember 16, 2014 1:42 pm
don't be silly Albert.
DrewSeptember 16, 2014 3:37 am
We need a breakthrough.
Jay AltSeptember 15, 2014 7:10 pm
Looks like climate dopes have discovered rtcc. Cue the clueless.
heatherGirlSeptember 15, 2014 5:39 pm
I still do not see any of these scientist explaining the pause in warming. I read that they want to now blame the pause in warming on heat being trapped in the deep ocean. But this is something they have been studying since, I believe, the 1960's........ So, if they knew about this deep ocean heat trapping process, then surely they would have included it in their computer models? If they did that, then shouldn't they have PREDICTED the pause in warming...... and not been surprised by it?
Dakota BarrySeptember 15, 2014 4:56 pm
The costs of feeding the climate-change “monster” are staggering. According to the Congressional Research Service, from 2001 to 2014 the US government spent $131 billion on projects meant to combat human-caused climate change, plus $176 billion for breaks for anti-CO2 energy initiatives. Federal anti-climate-change spending is now running at $11 billion a year, plus tax breaks of $20 billion a year. That adds up to more than double the $14.4 billion worth of wheat produced in the United States in 2013. Follow the money on the hoax called climate change...
escapedfromnySeptember 15, 2014 3:02 pm
Behind closed doors at this conference:"The Climate is not obeying our models. We have fudged the numbers before. Can we do it again?"
JimKSeptember 15, 2014 2:59 pm
How are they all getting there? Why not teleconference if they are so concerned about pollution?
JimKSeptember 15, 2014 2:42 pm
How are they all getting there? Private jets and limousines? Hypocrites! Why not teleconference these meetings? Why are they always held at posh hotels near fine dining and brothels?
jSeptember 15, 2014 2:28 pm
What will the Carbon Footprint be? Have these people ever heard of Net Meeting?
Jed EckertSeptember 15, 2014 7:13 am
One of the nice things about low solar activity and global cooling is that it offers a unique opportunity to discredit climate fortune-tellers like Paul Krugman.
Al BlackSeptember 15, 2014 6:34 am
"The thinning of the floating ice shelves is enough to explain the unexpected rise." False. Floating sea-ice is already displacing its weight in sea-water, so the sea level will not and cannot rise due to the melting of floating ice. If you don't believe me (Many climate scientists appear not to have caught up on recent discoveries by Archimedes), try this experiment: put a large chunk of ice in a bucket - half-fill with water, and mark the water level. Wait till the ice melts. I guarantee the water level does not rise.
Al BlackSeptember 15, 2014 6:26 am
It is strange that Climate Scientists do not appear to know that the Antarctic Ocean is just one area of a single Global ocean, so if it is rising, it would be rising everywhere. Perhaps they are also ignorant of Tectonic subduction, where the sea level appears to rise because the land is sinking, or appears to fall because the land is rising. In the case of the Antarctic continent, it is likely that the continent is being depressed through the Earth's mantle by the weight of the ever-growing ice shelf, leading to an apparent, but false rise in the local sea level.
George KatoSeptember 15, 2014 5:21 am
A quick climate fact: So far, 2014 has been the coldest year on record in the north-east US.
aloha597September 14, 2014 3:26 pm
It has been eight years since the last major hurricane struck the United States.
Sean MaguireSeptember 14, 2014 9:41 am
The failure to prove man-made global warming over the last 20 years makes the case for it even less plausible.
Malcolm PowersSeptember 14, 2014 7:56 am
A quick climate fact: So far, 2014 has been the coldest year on record in the north-east US.
Scott SmithSeptember 14, 2014 5:44 am
We we warned by Gen. Bill Odom, among others, that the 2003 Iraq invasion would be one of the greatest strategic disasters in US history.
David LSeptember 14, 2014 3:16 am
I wonder how much the enlightened ones plan on charging us to breathe?
Captain HadleySeptember 14, 2014 2:03 am
Arctic ice was up 67% in 2013, from 2012 and the West Antarctic Ice Streams that feed the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica have also thickened recently.
Captain DicksonSeptember 13, 2014 10:55 am
I think we all know whose side Obama is on.
DiggsSeptember 13, 2014 10:08 am
The term "scheme" is used correctly here. It's a scheme, scam, whatever. Watch people and companies flee from the areas where carbon taxes are implemented. Who gets hurt most by carbon taxes? Not Ban Ki-Moon, or Rachel Kyte. Or any of the other rich people pushing for the taxes (Al Gore, anyone?). It will be the poor who are most affected. Ask any of them if they are willing to pay double to fill their gas tank in order to keep the seas from rising two inches in the next one hundred years because a computer model said they would. Ban Ki-moon
FredSeptember 13, 2014 10:02 am
As long as I pay the tax...it is Ok to spew anything I want... Will the tax money go towards cleaning up my mess?
Boyd ReddingSeptember 13, 2014 8:02 am
Well, we should also keep in mind that man-made global-warming is a story of science fiction. An ever-shifting mirage of illusions conjured up to exploit the sympathies of the gullible and the ignorant.
PygmalionSeptember 13, 2014 7:17 am
Now those are posh jobs!
OatmealformeSeptember 13, 2014 6:13 am
This is the end game for the "global warming" hysteria which is to enrich crony capitalists and corrupt politicians around the World. And Al Gore is the patron saint of global warming who has vastly enriched himself and leads an extravagant energy wasting lifestyle. And yet ditto heads keep shilling for people such as Al Gore even though it will be to their and most people's detriment.
Richerd HeatherlySeptember 13, 2014 6:01 am
It has been almost 9 years since the last major hurricane struck the US - the longest hurricane lull since reliable records began in the 1800s.
James BennettSeptember 13, 2014 3:06 am
Here is the real reason for wanting to say that global warming myth as reality. All for carbon taxes. Obama can't get enough ill gotten gains, this is another way to skim of these funds.
WarrenSeptember 13, 2014 2:09 am
Nope. A carbon tax can readily be made revenue neutral by reducing taxes in other sectors, and still have its full intended effect on the behavior of consumers, producers and investors to move away from high carbon to low carbon alternatives. Your fear of the left is delusional. This is an issue of Science, and pricing in an externality..the cost of climate change mitigation...into our goods and services. You have the issue exactly backwards..the costs iof climate change are socialized now..no one pays for those costs when they use fossil fuels or drive their autos. You don't like socialism? (Neither do I) then pass a carbon tax..then each individual pays his own cost of the pollution he generates.
Robert G. Berry Jr.September 13, 2014 2:02 am
It is time to abolish the UN and all of it's demon seed minion agencies.
danielSeptember 13, 2014 1:44 am
Global Freezing 1960's 70's, the world would be in an ace age in 20 years (all the scientist paid by the government to promote their agenda). Global Warming, the waters would flood New York City and Manhattan Island would be under water in 10 years (AL GORE 2002), Climate Change, the Ice capes will be melted in 20 years, (all the scientist paid by the government to promote their Carbon Tax agenda). 2014, the coldest winter on record, and the Ice Caps have grown not shrunken this year. So they changed it yet again and now it’s called Weather Fluctuations with catastrophic consequences. All these So called Scientific (theories) 9Paid for by AL Gore and his bunch of Carbon Tax Goonies). He has millions invested in this scam so the UN can impose a CARBON TAX on humans because we breathe and fart out CO2 gases. Don't get me wrong, I want to do my part to keep the earth healthy. I just don't want these politicians continuing to propagate their lies so they can raise more taxes because they have over spent what they have already stolen from the American people to the tune of $18,000,000,000,000. Vote all of these entrenched politicians out of office and demand they pay off the debt, balance our budget, and quit spending more than they take in. Most importantly, quit the BS crap about what the earth does daily, change climates, warms and cools in cycles, and has continued to do so for thousands of years.
WarrenSeptember 13, 2014 1:40 am
Why do you suppose all Of the Worlds National Science Academies, Major Universities, and Scientific Professional Associations agree with the IPCC conclusions that Man is Warming the Earth, and the Effects are liketo be strongly negative?
WarrenSeptember 12, 2014 10:42 pm
You're completely out to lunch on this point. The IPCC, whose Assessments reflect 10s of thousands of peer reviewed papers, states exactly the range of estimates for its projections, with confidence levels or probabilities defined in %. Not only is there is a consensus on the basic conclusion that Earth is Warming and Man is the Cause, there is a near consensus on the range of expected warming per doubling of atmospheric CO2 ppm....3C average, 1.5C lower bound, and 4.5C+ upper bound. The 'pause' ,which only seems to have the Deniers in a fit, is nothing more than a combination of weather phenomenon and heat absorption by the oceans...which researchers are trying to understand in more detail..but has no bearing on AGW, which is a long term trend
JDSSeptember 12, 2014 10:16 pm
Build hundreds of desalination facilities around the world as a jobs program. That will solve the issue of rising seas, it will bring water to drought areas and create jobs to build the facilities and also to run and maintain the facility and in water distribution. That is a creative capitalism solution. The governments only purpose is to clear the rights of way for the land to build the facilities. This Carbon pricing is nothing but a Socialist UN SCAM to take whatever wealth remains with the middle class around the world.
varkdriverSeptember 12, 2014 8:42 pm
Remember Al Gore terming privatization of Social Security as "risky schemes"? He was talking about the wrong "risky schemes".
KeithSeptember 12, 2014 8:42 pm
Plant production is currently CO2 limited, meaning that vegetation will continue to experience faster production as the CO2 level in the atmosphere increases, actually up to about 1200 ppm CO2 for most species, after that it is solar input limited. This is a science experiment usually performed in the 6th grade. Temperature will have a very limited effect on crop yields as long as the CO2 is below 1200 ppm.
varkdriverSeptember 12, 2014 8:42 pm
Yep, just like big government stuck their nose into the housing market, relaxing the lending rules causing artificial rising demand and prices while keeping interest rates low and guaranteeing the bad loans with Fannie and Freddie.
BillSeptember 12, 2014 8:42 pm
As winters get progressively colder as the cycle we are entering will surely bring about a cooling, Americans will be screaming for cheaper fuel prices and will want to produce carbon as fast as possible. It is time to stop the lies and be rid of this hoax. Climate is doing what climate does, it changes.
Lacy JackSeptember 12, 2014 8:21 pm
When they raise the cost for me to live beyone my means, I start chopping trees and burning wood, hunting and killing animals for food. There is ALWAYS a way to survive.
Trevor DeMontSeptember 12, 2014 8:13 pm
This Rachel Kyte.......she's clearly a raving, frothing-at-the-mouth communist.
GUNNERSeptember 12, 2014 8:04 pm
The first order of business is telling the UN to go pound sand then follow that up with a denunciation of all the environmentalist groups with a stop on all funding to any of them then arrest Al Gore and put him in jail for gross misrepresentation of the truth.
imdunSeptember 12, 2014 8:03 pm
Cap and trade worked to stop acid rain and it can work to help control CO2. http://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2012/02/13/cap-and-trade-curbed-acid-rain-7-reasons-why-it-can-do-the-same-for-climate-change/
joeSeptember 12, 2014 7:21 pm
the really stupid thing is, all it will do is drive the price for oil, coal and natural gas through the roof hurting the middle class and the poor. They will all go to fire places to heat their homes burning wood or coal without the filters and restrictions the companies have on their equipment thus raising the carbon emissions and doing the exact opposite of its intentions. Liberalism at its best
Cliff DaySeptember 12, 2014 7:17 pm
Yes, now a World Wide Carbon Tax! The Mega-Rich Liberals will be finally able to Tax the Middle Class into Poverty on a Global Scale!
Alex KontosSeptember 12, 2014 7:13 pm
Fat chance of getting the world's worst polluters (China and India) to pay a carbon tax..
slycatSeptember 12, 2014 7:05 pm
"Never mind that there has been no warming for 18 years" Is 100% False
Lou LindenSeptember 12, 2014 6:55 pm
The only way to get the world to find non fossil fuel power sources is to make it profitable for the players who have skin in the game. All of the coal and oil companies would happily pursue alternative energy sources that don't pollute the planet as long as they are confident they will control them. I am in disbelief at the number of people who have somehow been convinced that air pollution has no effect on the environment but then again these same folks convinced us that smoking was OK and filled structures with asbestos. The vast majority of Americans and the rest of the world know that we have altered the environment dramatically since the proliferation of fossil fuel pollution and will just move on from here and try to deal with the effects in a way that allows future generations to remain on the planet. Even if you don't believe that man made air pollution has no effect on the environment you can't deny the fact that the planet is warming, no matter what the cause. How can adding to the problem with man made pollution be of any benefit? I believe there's still a "Flat Earth Society" that is active proving that some people can be swayed to believe anything, even when the evidence is placed before their eyes. The overwhelming scientific evidence (98 out of 100 scientists) along with common sense confirms the warming effects of man made CO2 emissions but for those that don't believe in the science I ask you this: If 98 out of 100 airplane mechanics told you the plane you were about board was not safe to fly would you still get on?
objectiveSeptember 12, 2014 6:51 pm
My real question is who is collecting from the pollution created by war?
WarrenSeptember 12, 2014 6:31 pm
There are many things not understood about Plate Tectonics, Evolution, DNA, Relativity, and many other fields of Science. Do you have any idea of the $billions bring spent annually by the CDC on diseases, by Corporations on Research into basic Science, by Universities, by hundreds of other research entities? That doesn't mean the underlying evidence and Physics of those fields of Science are invalid, it means there's much more detail to be learned. The basics of AGW are as well understood, if not better than DNA, Evolution, or Plate Tectonics. The point you raised of the so-called pause, which is actually a slowdown in the rate of increase, is not valid. There are many long cycle weather phenomenon, which is why the World Meteorological Organization defines the minimum period for CLIMATE trends as 30 years. Within any 30 year period, weather trends can obscure climate trends. The analogy is sitting 6 inches from your 50 inch TV and declaring 'there's no football game here, all I see is pixels". The upward March of global temps over 30 years and longer is clear from the data.
Mike S.September 12, 2014 6:30 pm
Your comment is a lie. You need to study what science is, and why scientists can say they know something. Your goal is to confuse the public and delay action on an important issue that involves the well-being of the whole planet and future generations. You should be ashamed, and look for a new line of work.
ldoSeptember 12, 2014 6:16 pm
Here comes ANOTHER U.N. TREATY which the U.S. Ambassador will vote YEA, then submit to the Senate for approval and 46 Democrat Senate representatives will VOTE FOR THE TREATY like they did for the U.N. ARMS TREATY.
1mikejanz1September 12, 2014 6:15 pm
The only thing that will surprise critics is if the forego this global warming nonsense and forget the ridiculous carbon tax!
georgeSeptember 12, 2014 6:07 pm
You g d liars. You are a bunch of progressives or socialists or communists. Whatever. But you are going to kill millions if not billions with this anti capitalist agenda. Poor, disabled, anybody whose not rich. You are all a bunch of fakes and you are not using science.
luke dieboldSeptember 12, 2014 5:45 pm
This is why America has been dumbed down the past few years.This is the biggist scam in history.
MikeSeptember 12, 2014 5:40 pm
Here you go - financing the new world order
KeninmoSeptember 12, 2014 5:35 pm
Much like my comments....that get moderated out because they offend the leftist bent of this website.
KeninmoSeptember 12, 2014 5:33 pm
Yeah, because natural gas companies *profit* by increases in the cost of competing energy sources. Hey, thanks! You and the Euros in the article are just trying to extort money from people instead of earning it.
KeninmoSeptember 12, 2014 5:29 pm
What a scam. The so-called "Carbon Market" is just a gigantic wealth-transfer system, with Euros taking a skim off the top. The "Carbon Market" produces *nothing*. It is an extortion payment set up by politicians to charge businesses for the "privilege" of doing business, and the "Market" is simply those same politicians selling parts of the extortion business to other crooked politicians. All of it set up and run by a bunch of Euro politicians.
Harry HudsonSeptember 12, 2014 5:26 pm
If Dems get their way we will be paying more for fuel, for utilities, which in turn will raise the cost of everything. But do not expect your wages to keep up.
Harry HudsonSeptember 12, 2014 5:23 pm
"greenhouse gas emissions, which hit a record high in 2013" Yet temperatures did not follow and we have been in a warming pause for over 15 years. It does not take a scientist to realize the correlation between CO2 and temperature is not "settled science"
CricketSeptember 12, 2014 5:22 pm
well 4 comments with no bad words or cussing and all denied, what? not enough Climate Lemmings slobbering over you're article so you won't let mine thru?
PenoceaSeptember 12, 2014 5:20 pm
The Politics of Accountability. The same political party that depends on the Lazy, Indolent, and Thoughtless push man-made global warming. Take a look at areas of Detroit where the inhabitants believe their poverty and ignorance are someone else's fault and responsibility. They did not create that, someone else made that happen. Take a look at women who empower politicians to wring concessions out of the successful and industrious to pay for their sexual well being, birth control, and abortions because nobody got time to be self-accountable, self-aware, self-sufficient, and self-governing. So, we reward the lazy, indolent, and thoughtless regarding their personal lives and life choices and then turn around and punish them with a carbon tax for being lazy, indolent, and thoughtless about the planet. Either you hold personal accountability as an important part of protecting and honoring this earth, or you use it as a means to an end of controlling people. You can't have it both ways. You can, but it makes you look like power hungry greedy morons.
DaveSeptember 12, 2014 5:19 pm
Pretty soon the UN will pass a child tax as if you choose to have a child you are responsible for the add CO-2 created by that child's life. Makes sense to me, and if you fail to pay the tax a public stoning is required of the parent or child.
bryan dennySeptember 12, 2014 5:18 pm
here it is. the carbon tax that will be forced on us by democrats.why is it people are too stupid to see what is happening right before their eyes with this government.
TheKyleSSeptember 12, 2014 5:06 pm
I don't know what to say other than that you're wrong, the consensus DEFINITELY incorporates the uncertainty. Perhaps you should try to read the latest IPCC report, which pretty much enumerates the current consensus. It also explains how confident they are in the conclusions that have been reached. There is extremely broad agreement among the experts on this sort of thing. Science deals with uncertainty all the time, and can never 100% eliminate it, but that doesn't prevent things with 90% or greater certainty from being accepted and having a consensus built around them. Uncertainty does not automatically invalidate a consensus. Uncertainty merely frames what we know with the likelihood that we might be missing anything significant. For AGW, that level of uncertainty is ridiculously low. There just isn't enough unknown stuff to overturn the things we know already. It's like having a temperature reading of 75 degrees with a 1 degree margin of error: the amount of uncertainty in your measurement isn't enough to mask a true temperature of only 60 degrees.
Sarah Chen LinSeptember 12, 2014 5:00 pm
Those expectations seem to be pretty low. Expectations being: Reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 25% by 2020 – that they will improve energy efficiency in operations by 50% by 2020, that they will reduce electricity demand by around 15% by 2020, and that they will obtain at least 20% from renewable resources by 2020.
StanleySeptember 12, 2014 4:41 pm
If you think the price of oil and gasoline is going to drop, I'd think otherwise. Tax on it will skyrocket and then be ready for the next big crash...
WarrenSeptember 12, 2014 4:37 pm
So you now include in the Denier category those that accept the findings of Science? You've now given us a ninth absurdity to add to my original post of Deniers arguments. Thanks.
normsrevengeSeptember 12, 2014 4:22 pm
censorship in action,, interesting
pound puppySeptember 12, 2014 4:17 pm
My name is Albert Gore Jr and I approved this tax because I'm going to get even richer from it.
Mark BofillSeptember 12, 2014 4:15 pm
Delusional.
ekofreekSeptember 12, 2014 4:15 pm
These are posters who enjoy giving their money to oil companies and want to keep doing so. I got a bike. my last electric bill was $12.
pound puppySeptember 12, 2014 4:14 pm
I'll need to see exactly where in our Constitution it says the UN....or any other foreign organization can tax me. I believe our Constitution was written after the British tried the same thing.
frankly2September 12, 2014 3:41 pm
It doesn't stand a chance of getting implemented.
Joseph KubicaSeptember 12, 2014 3:14 pm
The greatest SCAM of the 21st Century!
HOMEY2September 12, 2014 2:54 pm
carbon pricing --the "green" version of derivatives.Trading these will be even more fun and profitable--not for the average person--but we don't care about their desires--its all about money.Maybe this market won't blow up--but that doesn't matter either--Central Banks will monetize any fallout--that too will be "too big" to fail--never mind that there has been no global warming for 18 years.-
NikolaiSeptember 12, 2014 2:44 pm
Every carbon tax, or cap and trade scheme serves only one purpose: to increase the cost of energy, and decrease its demand, or there is no environmental gain. The consequences, no matter how noble the intentions, will be that millions are pushed into, or further into poverty.
balkySeptember 12, 2014 2:44 pm
Tragic faces of islanders who have no place to run because of rising seas? Really? All you academic's want to discuss if land sinks as well? And are the islanders going to stand there while the water rises to their necks and let themselves drown? Business' are already pricing in carbon rates? So our fuel and energy costs rise while many other entities get rich in this scheme? You people want anarchy, you will get it, when you start charging more and more for a system that has brought more people out of poverty than any other system of economics ever. This scheme has nothing to do with going green, it has everything to do with taking money from one place and sending it to another. It's called a bribe or better yet extortion. So paying a carbon tax lets the company continue their practice, and they pass this tax onto the consumer. I personally feel that all who support these policies are deranged and in an effort for clean water and clean air, you who have control of people at the point of guns, are traitors to the very people that live on this earth and are at the mercy of the ruling classes who actually see this scheme as a way to get richer while proclaiming they are saving the planet earth from ourselves. Go to h***.
RHO1953September 12, 2014 2:36 pm
Accounting gibberish. It is a perfect example of how government screws up the economy. Pass laws, regulate, tax, kill jobs, control people.
Paul M RaupSeptember 12, 2014 1:47 pm
The "huge number" of countries interested in carbon pricing ? For everyone BUT them, possibly, yes..............and the UN, of course, which wants to "redistribute" the funds.
Professor Om Prakash MisraSeptember 12, 2014 10:54 am
I do agree with your comments Monsieur Bob. How prediction & solution of present science & technology can be possible which have depending upon out dated Science base of Newton & Leibniz? They should consult Experts prior to take any decisions?
Nick GrealySeptember 12, 2014 9:40 am
Carbon pricing has been a key demand of the world natural gas industry for some time. It's not helped by Just Say No simplifications by some green activists against it.
Bar AbbasSeptember 12, 2014 6:49 am
Few people realize that - by the geologic definition - the Earth is presently in an ice age that began 2.6 million years ago.
WarrenSeptember 12, 2014 3:41 am
The IPCC estimates 1% uncertainty. A recent peer reviewed paper estimates 0.1%. All Major Universities, National Science Academies, and Scientific Professional Associations around the world conclude 'Earth is Warming and Man is the Cause'. Which makes AGW as well established Science as DNA, Evolution, or Plate Tectonics. I'm happy to be included in that camp, and to be excluded from the 1%
WarrenSeptember 12, 2014 3:36 am
You say AGW can't be proven wrong and isn't, and then you say it's flawed and uncertain Science. So which is it, wrong or right?
TheKyleSSeptember 12, 2014 3:18 am
'You can't be serious, can you???? Really? : Since when has “consensus,” rather than experimentation and hypothesis testing defined science? ' The consensus isn't for the scientists. The consensus is for us, who aren't scientists. It tells us what all of the experiments, studies, research, and models have brought to light. Because we need to know what the science actually says and how strong the case actually is, it's important for us to know how much the field has matured and how much agreement there is among the experts who do all the experiments and studies. What you don't seem to understand is that the 97% + the 3% incorporates some of those people you cited (most of them in the petition.org list, for example, don't study the climate so they aren't counted). The ones who disagree fit into that 3%. Keep your perspective as you rattle off your list of preferred experts and remember that for every one you cite, there's 32-33 more with just as many (or more!) qualifications who disagree with yours.
TheKyleSSeptember 12, 2014 3:09 am
The consensus already incorporates all the uncertainty. What you don't seem to realize is that there isn't enough uncertainty to overturn what we've already established. We don't know everything, but we know too much to reasonably doubt the power of human activity to dramatically change the climate.
HansSeptember 11, 2014 11:13 pm
"What we need is a trillion dollars a year". Yeah right, this isn't a wealth transfer scheme to 3rd world dictators. What a scam. No man made global warming in almost 18 yrs and counting. What we really new is for IPCC to be shut down now!!
Scrupulous.GeographerSeptember 11, 2014 4:54 pm
I wouldn't worry about that. Tusk is a very technocratic politician. He does only things that are rational and given a full report on an issue, he will choose the most rational way, which is likely to be the green way. He also is a bridge-builder, so every decision will be diplomatic. He also proposed an unconditional energy union - shareing gas, oil and electricity resources across the EU. That will lead to greater efficiency, lower costs and bulk deals bought by the comission - in other words - satisfy both capitalists and environmental groups. We just need to talk to him, rather than kill him in the media over a month BEFORE he assumes the office.
paultdSeptember 11, 2014 4:28 pm
It seems like they're asking developed nations to voluntarily raise prices across the board (to account for higher energy prices), and take the risk that the developed nations will follow suit. Does anyone trust the governments of the developed nations to respect international law and to keep their word?
WarrenSeptember 11, 2014 4:51 am
The medieval warm period was warmer in parts of Europe, but global avg temperatures were not warmer. None of which has anything to do with the conclusions of science that fossil fuel burning started raising global avg temperatures via an enhanced greenhouse effect, around 1880.
WarrenSeptember 11, 2014 4:48 am
Which has nothing to do with the validity of the Science. Try again.
WarrenSeptember 11, 2014 4:47 am
A beneficial effect of a Global temperature rise is increased crop yields, as projected by the IPCC, up to about a 2C rise; after that, it's all downhill.
WarrenSeptember 11, 2014 4:43 am
A Denier of AGW is someone who rejects the findings of the Science. The IPCC concludes, from it's Assessments of 10s of thousands of peer reviewed papers, that the uncertainty that 'Earth is a Warming and Man is the Cause' is ~1%. A recent peer reviewed research paper estimates 0.1%. Plus the unanimous conclusions of the Institutions of Science I cited in my prior post.Which makes the Science of AGW as settled as Evolution, Plate Tectonics, or DNA. So It would seem the Deniers have vanishing small support from the field of Science; I am neither a supporter of these Deniers, or one of their cadre.
WarrenSeptember 11, 2014 4:28 am
True. And the resulting increase in atmospheric CO2 increased the atmospheres greenhouse effect, which caused additional warming. atmospheric temperature rise and atmospheric CO2 have a two way cause and effect relationship, ...positive feedback, which is exhibited by other phenomena in nature, and occurs in both electrical and mechanical systems. Nothing new, but often a point of misunderstanding, such as by you.
WarrenSeptember 11, 2014 4:22 am
There's a scientific consensus that eating Arsenic will kill,you. Have you tried that?
StevoSeptember 10, 2014 11:48 pm
John Landry instead of using 'talking points' why don't you present data. Better yet show some data from George Monckton? Oh wait he has a degree in classics and a diploma in journalism.......
Hugh Joseph CurranSeptember 10, 2014 11:25 pm
125 cubic km. There are 250 billion gallons of water in each cu km so we are talking of an immense amount of water, This is equal to 1 trillion liters/cu km The vast quantity of meltwater involved is somewhat diminished, in the mind of the average reader, by the use of cu km as a measure.
larry1dartSeptember 10, 2014 11:21 pm
At one time or more the ice at the poles didn't exist, therefore causing the oceans to be less saline. The sea levels were much higher then and it cycled back to having ice at the poles. We have been exiting the last ice age and the sea levels have been rising anyway. Has anyone done a study of the continent to see if it has been sinking any?
WarrenSeptember 10, 2014 10:04 pm
CO2 is both a requirement for life on Earth, as well as a Greenhouse Gas. Not one or the other, both. Both properties are established Science since the 1800s..
shawkins57September 10, 2014 9:50 pm
That's why it is called "global" climate change. We have an entire field of research called paleoclimatology that does just that.
WarrenSeptember 10, 2014 9:43 pm
'Denier' is someone who rejects the finding of Science that 'Earth is Warming and Man is the Cause'. You say 'We don't and we can't' (prove AGW wrong). Then you say ' we should not be .......over a science that is flawed,uncertain, and probably not dangerous at all." Your second statement contradicts the first. Which do you mean?
WarrenSeptember 10, 2014 8:26 pm
The better question is why should we accept the view of a tiny anti AGW segment of the population who can't get their science right?
WarrenSeptember 10, 2014 8:23 pm
Deniers are those that Deny the conclusion that' Earth is warming and Man is the Cause', which is concluded by all the Academies, Associations, and Universities as indicated. A recent peer reviewed study concluded that the confidence or probability that such is valid, based on the evidence, is 99.9%+, and the IPCC 5th assessment of 10s of thousands of peer reviewed papers published 99% confidence. Whether you use the figure of 0.1%, or 1%, that pretty well defines the space Deniers operate in. I'm not one of them.
Lance1234September 10, 2014 8:19 pm
Not "all scientists" are afraid to disagree. THere are far more disagreeing than agreeing, but the are the deniers and most have been silenced becasue they "know what is good for them personally". A fool is the one who unthinkingly accepts the word of purported "experts", as you apparently do.
John L.September 10, 2014 5:38 pm
Ok Stevo, I will let you define reality. Whatever you say is truth. Perhaps you need some blood letting to stop your vapors?
John L.September 10, 2014 5:37 pm
I know, this "has been settled". Claiming that something "has been settled" is contrary to scientific method. You, my friend are among good company!
John L.September 10, 2014 5:36 pm
Yea, I guess I missed it. Sure is cold today. BTW MN had the coldest winter on record last year. I think you would need at least 1000 years of temps to observe a pattern.
bob ashworthSeptember 10, 2014 4:45 pm
Global Warming from CO2 is a fraud! Same atmosphere reflects energy back to outer space that reflects energy form the earth back to earth. We get our energy from the sun which is over twice that from the earth to the atmosphere. Overall effect is cooling. Stupid, stupid, stupid !!!!!!!!!
SunilSeptember 10, 2014 12:13 pm
Whats wrong in adopting to good habits of past culture? If everyone follows good habits which can also act as the solution to this big and serious problem, what is wrong in adopting to it? We are all for Modernization but not mean Westernization. And getting Modernize do not mean leave all the habits of past culture even thought it offers excellent solution technically & scientifically too.
ConqueringlionSeptember 10, 2014 12:05 pm
But continuing to emit CO2 at record levels is not 'to do nothing'.
SunilSeptember 10, 2014 12:04 pm
What is wrong in adopting good habits even if it is from old age? 'Old age' does not mean crap. Our culture is always for Modernisation but not for Westernisation. When you can understand this difference, you will know what Modi said and what is fundamentally wrong in this article.
IAF101September 10, 2014 11:11 am
To the small-nations - Give us one good reason why we should care if you get swallowed up by the sea ?? How does your "Existence" impact our lives ?
IAF101September 10, 2014 11:09 am
Why should India care about "island nations" ? Let them perish - what's it to India or the billions of Indians ? NGOs can barely get their checks approved by the banks - they don't have the audacity to advocate on the behalf of any "foreign nations" anylonger.
IAF101September 10, 2014 10:40 am
The stench of a insufferable liberal academic permeates this drivel. Apparently the PM of India addressing the nation is "mass propaganda" - where as when Nehru fondled young children, it was "ok" ? Disgraceful and ignorant garbage made to sound intelligent. These self-advertised "intellectuals" apparently will spare no opportunity to edify the rest of us about what's what.
geoff ChambersSeptember 10, 2014 8:47 am
“Observers to the process are also starting to articulate their expectations for Paris, and the tone is cautiously optimistic. There are two big questions. Will the Paris deal be enough to limit temperature rises to the agreed 2C threshold? And how legally binding will it be? To get to 2C, negotiators will have to find a balance of obligations on different countries that all accept as “fair”... Some are already preparing for the eventuality the deal doesn’t hit the 2C sweet spot.” It’s somewhat odd to expect countries to negotiate a treaty to limit temperature rise to a stated level, when scientists have not the slightest idea what quantity of greenhouse gases would result in that level of temperature rise. Official IPCC estimates are that a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere will lead to a temperature rise somewhere between 1.5°C and 4.5°C, in other words, somewhere between the barely noticeable and the possibly catastrophic. They can’t be more precise, and they refuse to give a best estimate. If you don’t know what’s going to happen, and you don’t know whether hugely expensive projects to stop that something from happening will be effective, possibly the best thing to do is nothing.
narasimman laxmanSeptember 10, 2014 8:04 am
yes. modi told reasons for the climate change and how to address the issue that situation would become better than today hence detailing of doing small habitual practices of ones which we had been doing but now dropped. each country is doing its bit in worsening the global climate cycle and not many know actually how to control this erratic cycle and many know but don't do anything and some intentionally do wrong things to worsen global climate cycle affecting human being lives, living being lives to the worse. but why only blame modi in this? each knowledgeable person has to blame developed countries, china, etc., as even using a.c's all time is a bad one on climate. developed countries with 24/7 power use a.c's everywhere whole day and china without clean industrial practices all doing bad in one way or other then why only blame india? here also many industries are doing anti-climate practice knowing and not knowing what they do? chemical industries should do proper effluent treatment and tanneries have to do this and coal power plant have to do some for clean power and these will make india better slowly in long run.
KrishanSeptember 10, 2014 1:26 am
I am afraid, the hot air Malini Mehra has spewed alone is enough to change "the climate." Please be careful next time. On the lighter side, bad weather: too much rain or too little of it, not to mention the "untimely" one, is blamed on man made "climate change" these days. California is having unprecedented drought this year. It appears such droughts, and many far worse, were common just a century ago in California. Climate change happens. It also happened when there was no man on this earth. Man made "climate change" is still an open question. Should we abuse air or water (lakes, rivers, even oceans)? No. Are the Indians adding to "climate change" or are the Chinese and Americans doing it? .
David RiceSeptember 10, 2014 1:13 am
Excellent. Let's hope they can agree on a carbon tax.
APSeptember 10, 2014 1:07 am
Malini, I would like to know your educational credentials. Through out the west (yes , your left wingers) are shouting from the roof top that human is responsible for climate change due to the pollution and other reasons. This is what Modi referred to. If you cannot even understand this, I suspect your credibility and/or intentions.
bruce lancasterSeptember 9, 2014 10:08 pm
Cultist. Whacko crazy strange cultist. You are just like those Moonies I used to see in airports. It just didn't take any effort whatsoever to get a whole bunch of liberal l00nies to join a doomsday cult... Bizarre. You are a k00k.
geoff ChambersSeptember 9, 2014 8:52 pm
“Over the past year leaders in Tokyo, Ottawa and Canberra have backed away from accepting tougher greenhouse gas cuts – a situation the UK suggests is untenable. UK energy secretary Ed Davey criticised these “regrettable examples of backsliding” at the report launch, which was held at the offices of insurance firm Aviva.” Why would not accepting tougher greenhouse gas cuts be untenable? And since when has doing what your electors want been considered “backsliding”? And what does a British government minister think he’s doing, lecturing the governments of three major developed nations on what they should be doing, and from the head office of an insurance company? What does he propose to do if the governments of Japan, Canada and Australia fail to listen to the hectoring of a junior British government minister? Raise their premiums?
ThirunarayananSeptember 9, 2014 8:49 pm
May be Mr. Prime Minister Modi meant that since we have changed, climate has changed, and trying to adjust to our irresponsible acts. It is each of our responsibility to contribute to reversing the climate trend, not just any government's. For a simple example, we have done a good copycat job of emulating western practice of using throwaway items like plastic bags, plastic and foam cups, etc. etc.. May be that is what Mr. Modi was alluding to, that we should be more responsible in using the environment in a proper way as we traditionally used to.
MarshallSeptember 9, 2014 8:47 pm
Bless all those who refuse to spread fear-mongering AGW lies and propaganda. Regulate corporations, bankers and the mainstream media! (Don't let corporations, bankers and the media regulate the people.)
WarrenSeptember 9, 2014 8:34 pm
You've gone to a lot of work to quote from those not actively engaged in research on the Climate and geologists and meteorologists, who don't have the same level of Education and skills as Physicists and Atmospheric Scientists. You have also quoted from just a few of the 3% of true Climate Scientists who disagree on some, not all, the findings of the 97%+ of their colleagues. AND you've left out the published reports of ALL the Worlds Science Academies, Scientific Professional Organizations, and Major Universities, all of which conclude 'Earth is Warming, and Man is the Cause'. Which leaves AGW as settled a finding of science as that of Evolution, Plate Tectonics, or DNA..
AkashSeptember 9, 2014 8:08 pm
I dont understand since when being a Hindu nationalist is a bad thing.
k pSeptember 9, 2014 8:02 pm
Environmental movement has been hijacked by communists, totalitarian statists and anarchists to wage war on economic and human development. Other than stopping economic and human development, they have no solutions to handle climate - they probably know that nature is self-correcting in the long run and environment has ability to adapt and evolve, therefore, they do not have to offer any solutions other than obstructing and stopping development, while at the same time, empower their statist ideologies by exploiting environmental changes. This is pure politics and has nothing to do with climate or nature or science. In USA, it has already been reduced to a partisan issue, and it will meet same fate in India
k pSeptember 9, 2014 7:48 pm
Nature is never static. Nature works in cycles, it goes thru ups and downs. Nature is self-correcting mechanism, and it evolves the environment around its ups and downs - it has been going on since ages and humans and eco-systems have been adapting to it since ages. Environmental extremists exploit every swing of nature for their anti-development political ideology. Environmentalism has become their faith and creed, clocked in rhetoric of science. They want veto over development and hold humanity to ransom. Floods, famines, fires, volcanoes, hurricanes and tsunamis reshape environment too. So it is not just human development that has impact on environment. But it is hard to argue with these fanatics. Modi should bury them in Ganges.
neeruSeptember 9, 2014 7:17 pm
Ms. Malini, please change your attitude. Don't try to copy western media. Atleast you are an Indian and talk positive about your country. Modi is right. Your article is not very well explained!
SSSeptember 9, 2014 6:31 pm
You still did not read complete article. She is not blaming him for all those issues. As a PM, he has to answer such serious questions based on scientific and technical facts and has to propose and implement correct ways to solve this. Not just giving lecture on cultural values and how it can help save us from everything.
SSSeptember 9, 2014 6:28 pm
Saying "He said, we had a culture of calling rivers as mother, earth as mother and asking apology to mother Earth every morning for stepping on her" is not miseducation but replying to some serious questions which is caused by pollution and emerging industries and growth needs to be answered technically and scientifically. He can say stop building industries, using cars that pollutes enviornment because that is what he is after. So he wants think us how good he is and think about our past culture. But please awake and try to think as real human being.
bruce lancasterSeptember 9, 2014 6:27 pm
Cultist. It took so little effort to suck a whole bunch of liberals in to a doomsday cult... It's astounding.
SSSeptember 9, 2014 6:24 pm
PM's job is to tackle problem in the most efficient way. He talks about technology and science when it comes to business. But when real problem which needs scientific and technical solution which does not involve any business, he does not care to think that way and expect everyone to adopt old age habits and behavior which no one is going to adopt, even you yourself.
SSSeptember 9, 2014 6:22 pm
What is crap ? When student asks something so serious questions, PM should answer the correct way to make them understand. And he still talking about culture and you tell me, are you going to adopt all those old age habits and behavior explained by him ?
SSSeptember 9, 2014 6:20 pm
Modi himself calls him Hindu nationalist. What's wrong if some one refer to him by that. And please awake from sleep and say wrong to what is wrong. dont just human worship else we all will be doomed.
RajeevSeptember 9, 2014 6:15 pm
Another leftist Sickularist congress stooge seeking cheap publicity and deliberately misinterpreting the words of an honest man at the behest of her Masters (namely Congress).
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:57 pm
There are some, but they've likely taken handouts from Exxon or the Koch brothers.
NickSeptember 9, 2014 5:39 pm
Please answer my question
NickSeptember 9, 2014 5:38 pm
I think that YOU had better do the research. There's little or no evidence that supports your position.
PaulnbamaSeptember 9, 2014 5:34 pm
UN can warn us of ocean acidification...but can't warn us that UN Peacekeepers are raping women and children in Somalia?
geoff ChambersSeptember 9, 2014 5:21 pm
“... the fact that only 3% of the world’s scientists are skeptical about global warming tells you everything you need to know about the overwhelming weight of the evidence.” No it doesn’t. It tells you nothing at all about the weight of the evidence. And anyway, where did you get the “3% of the world’s scientists” from? The only survey of scientists I know of was the Doran and Zimmerman study that launched the 97% myth. They sent out questionnaires to about 30,000 scientists and wittled down their 10,000 replies util they got 75 out of77 climate scientists who agreed that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that man might be heating the planet to some unspecified degree. On their way to their 97% solution they threw out thousands of replies from scientists who disagreed with those two propositions. If scientists can’t get something as simple as the basic facts of an opinion survey right, why should we trust them to forecast the state of the climate in a hundred years’ time?
mukeshSeptember 9, 2014 5:19 pm
Malini needs to know that English is not the mother toungue of Indians,and nothing wrong to say that we have been tracked out from our environment friendly life style so nature have all balancing act to set it right.we are still not knowing many of nature's acts but we only see it when happens.Better we adopt environment friendly life style,that is briefly understood but could have said in detail how to go for it.
Tanta MountSeptember 9, 2014 4:51 pm
The UN wants to get their hands on global taxing power for GW. Do you get it, lib todds?
Independence_R_USSeptember 9, 2014 4:28 pm
I don't belive either. ALso, I don't belive that many of these groups have our best interestes in mind. I read a report yesterday saying that coal fired power plants in China weren't causing green house gasses & aren't influencing the climate? So which is it. Coal plants are causing pollution or not? The facts that the temps are climbing says something is wrong with the so called global model. It's not like science has gotten it wrong in the past. There are numerous times their observations have been incorrect & even though they went through this wonderful peer review, it was still wrong. We can go back a few decades to show that they had it wrong that time. So we're to believe that these self same folks are doing it right this time? Really!!! The oil industry has it's agenda. That doesn't mean that they are wanting to kill off all humans. Last time I checked we're still alive & the oceans hadn't claimed NY City, New Orleans, etc. We had reports from the same climate folks saying oops we didn't take into account the volcanic activity concerning the ice melts. Oops. Yet they cried wolf & the world is ending. But missed a major find. Do you honestly believe that the climate changers on't have a political agenda?REALLY!!! Especially since they can increase their wealth exponentially & control the world. REALLY!!! I find it hard to belive that these scientists are n't being coerced into saying what those in power want them to say. I know for a fact that science has to rely on grant money. The money they get has to be wooed & those providing the money have an agenda. Hmm So one doesn't have to be a climatologist to see that climate is changing. That man has a small part in it's change. Yet when one major eruption from a volcano can change the global climate for years, on has to be aware that things may not be as they appear. So I'm skeptical at best. Especially since you can use Al Gore as the poster child for how politics & money changes the story line.
KeithSeptember 9, 2014 4:17 pm
Heather, I am so sorry for your misinterpretation of data. Caloric production of all plants increases dramatically with higher CO2 levels. The basic experimentation has been a mainstay of remedial science classes for years. Your confusion is likely due to the reported factual reduction in trace elements in the plant mass on a weighted caloric basis. While this is true, and it is true that trace elements are beneficial to animal physiology, their reduction is not the reason that people are starving. I appreciate your enthusiasm.
Independence_R_USSeptember 9, 2014 4:16 pm
Heather are you doing this to be green or are you doing this because those in power are causing the rates to increase . So you're doing it to save money. Don't get me wrong as it's up to you. However, just because someone places a solar panel on their roof, installed a wind generator, solar hot water, etc doesn't mean they're buying into the farce of the global warming crowd. Just that they might just want to save money, get away from those that are holding us hostage for energy, etc.
MichMikeSeptember 9, 2014 3:31 pm
Carbon credits were created as an additional source of corruption and so the elites can trade the people's money. But nice job shilling for the elites and their scam.
JASBEERSeptember 9, 2014 3:02 pm
Nope ! It was cunning misinterpretation of anti modi lobby in some media. What Modi said is that climate does not change for the worse automatically, it is due misconduct and pollution mankind is making. Idiots ! or Liers ? Modi is not the Best PM ever for India, he is also one of the most suitable and practicle leaders in the World. Very practicle, clear headed and decisive.
WarrenSeptember 9, 2014 2:42 pm
A more complete description of 'Deniers' would be 'Deniers of peer reviewed Science, the findings of All the Worlds Science Academies, Scientific Professional Associations, and major Universities'. Which ALL conclude 'Earth is Warming and Man is the Cause.' Good enough for you now?
SamSeptember 9, 2014 2:35 pm
If you understand the cause for global worming, Ms. Malini, then, you can understand his statement about "We Change" If you compare how we change and how over changes affected the environment. Our life and living style change significantly. Being an Indian Origin, it is a shame for you to report wrong information about our Prime Minister. If you need a juicy story to report, then, go after Nehru Dynasty and corrupted congress. You will get a real juicy and exciting stories that world will love to know. Unless you had an instinct to flare up communal disturbances, Stop using the word Hindu nationalist.
Surefire2007September 9, 2014 2:32 pm
the Hindu nationalist Modi "Hindu Nationalist PM" The writer is from Western country who never tagged US or Europe, Israel, or Islam nation's head "Christian Nationalist", Jewish Nationalist, or Islam Nationalist" but the India PM Modi is a Hindu Nationalist. In short this writer is a biased and hypocrite. I think he/she needs his mind and thoughs cleanup and control.
Kirk TSeptember 9, 2014 2:25 pm
There is that word likely again. You probably go to fortune tellers too. Pardon me for not buying into a doom and gloom scenario over a trace amount of a week greenhouse to support a dishonest agenda. Is the climate changing? of course it is. You know what they are finding under the ice in Greenland, farm fields from the viking area. which tells me this has happened before without our emissions. the earth is a rotating ball of co2 and is not that fragile to its introduction. Observation not prediction
PeteSeptember 9, 2014 2:12 pm
I agree that we need to stop poisoning the earth. However, C02 is not a pollutant. It is a natural gas that plants use for food.
Kirk TSeptember 9, 2014 2:10 pm
Being an economist probably qualifies him more to examine how reports are processed which is what we are talking about here not the science itself.
PeteSeptember 9, 2014 2:07 pm
Warren, The point is not that we prove AGW wrong. We don't and we can't. Our point is that we should not be increasing taxes, having government take control over energy, ruining our economy and our way of living over a science that is flawed,uncertain, and probably not dangerous at all.
Beena ThomasSeptember 9, 2014 1:56 pm
While I believe climate change is real, the reality is that Modi is the leader of over a billion people. He needs to find employment for many of them through industry and businesses. Thus, climate change cannot be the priority for his country. Many in the West seek environmental controls to offset and reduce climate change. However, during the 1800s, places like NYC and London were the epi-center of pollution during its industrial revolution. As a result, the West has prospered. Now the West warns emerging countries like China and India about the dangers of pollution. We see articles and pictures of smog in places like Beijing daily. Yet, for these countries, it is a necessary evil. Much of today's climate change occurred from the pollution of the West. Same thing is happening in Brazil, where 3 miles of the Amazon rain forest is cut down daily by local farmers and loggers. That too is an environmental nightmare, but it will not stop. The funny thing about the US and Europe is that they have technology which will reduce pollution and lower risk of climate change, but they will not provide that technology to emerging countries. Heck, the US is worried about Iran having nuclear reactors for energy. Although they fear nuclear warheads down the road, the alternative for Iran is to rely upon fossil fuels for their energy. It's a vicious political circle.
RonnySeptember 9, 2014 1:46 pm
Too much laughing can make you stop laughing forever ! Be careful!
lsk1956September 9, 2014 1:36 pm
Funny, I thought the "science" was settled. Links below reference Scripps ocean pH paper and WSJ article for laypeople: Study: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0028983 WSJ article: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203550304577138561444464028?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052970203550304577138561444464028.html#printMode There are over 1100 peer reviewed studies showing this is a non-issue; why do they keep trying to make it one?
Heather DraytonSeptember 9, 2014 1:11 pm
Regardless of the climate change dilemma - we must stop poisoning our earth, the amount of water ways that have been poisoned by mining world wide is beyond a joke. Air pollution in the cities is awful.The sooner we can replace fossil fuel with renewables, the better off the world, and our health will be. To argue to keep the status quo is madness. If we choose wrong, we either poison ourselves, or we wreck the weather systems.. Is that a risk we want to take?
DotssonSeptember 9, 2014 12:55 pm
The UN is the greatest threat to mankind.
averagejoe72677September 9, 2014 12:55 pm
No Mention of underwater volcanic eruptions causing acidification? This is another critical omission of the facts by the U.N. pushing their Carbon Tax agenda.
BobSeptember 9, 2014 12:36 pm
Carbonic acid. I'm all for reducing carbon emissions but how are you going to do it? Populations keep growing, energy needs keep growing, more industrialization in places that were not industrialized, more cars, more need for gas. We can't even regulate ourselves, much less other nations just now enjoying the benefits of industrialization. Here in America we ring in around 3 million immigrants per year. That is enough to populate a new major USA city every year. That means more cars, more concrete, more fuel use. It seems hopeless.
InspiridosSeptember 9, 2014 12:32 pm
There will come a time when we will look upon on the wars we are fighting now as petty distractions that prevented us from doing what was right for humanity as a whole.
SayWhatSeptember 9, 2014 12:23 pm
We had better do something...quick, send me all of your cash!
SayWhatSeptember 9, 2014 12:18 pm
The oceans already swing daily, more than they would with the projected CO2 levels of 2100. I'll post the paper, but I bet the censors won't let it happen.
Gordon GekkoSeptember 9, 2014 12:00 pm
We also need to keep in mind that it's not the intentions of ice-age deniers we have to live with, it's the frigid consequences.
Bhagirath JoshiSeptember 9, 2014 11:44 am
Malini Mehra Are you still calling him hindu nationalist.. that is good. now call Obama and other western leaders 'Christian Nationalist'. Also you did not really understand what he said. He was giving reasons for climate changes. He said in many ways that according to Hindu philosophy the river is a mother, which we have forgotten (changed) as result the river Ganga is dirty( has dirty shores and water). I write in the bracket so that you can understand Miss Malini. Do not just write what the Christian nationalist wants to hear, understand the whole conversation as well. Prime Minister (not premier) Mr. Modi pointed out the Hindu philosophy of taking care of the environment, which is forgotten because we have changed.
ASHISH SHRIVASTAVASeptember 9, 2014 11:36 am
Addressed genun.unausa.org/ashishshrivastava for "take the pledge to reduce your footprint'
SunilSeptember 9, 2014 11:26 am
Hehehe. You reply is funnier than the article :-))
Heather DraytonSeptember 9, 2014 11:12 am
Suicide is exactly what we are trying to avoid.. suicide of the whole planet.
Heather DraytonSeptember 9, 2014 11:11 am
You must live in a denier cluster. I live in an area with every other house or more have solar panels. And we formed co-ops to get them cheaper.
Heather DraytonSeptember 9, 2014 11:06 am
More CO2 is having an adverse effect on plant edibility, increased toxins, and lower yields are in fact the case. Some plants like wheat, maize etc will have higher yield but lower protein content, so therefore decrease the food quality. You have been misinformed.
Eddie IngramSeptember 9, 2014 10:50 am
There is no evidence that the natural causes of climate change, such as solar activity, are somehow being overwhelmed by mankind.
anti-christianfundamentalistSeptember 9, 2014 10:45 am
Malini take a good look in the mirror. Who are you to criticise Modi to speak in his own language in his own country? Why don't you criticise Obama to speak english in his own country? Why don't you criticise the uk prime minister to speak english in his own language? Why don't you criticise puting to speak russian in his own country? Why don't you criticise the dutch pm to speak dutch in his own country? why don't you criticise the french pm to speak french in his own country? etc..... you have a wannabe english syndrom.. colonialism is over. former colonies do not have to speak english in their own country. and if you like slavery then get the hell out of india.
Abdul BasitSeptember 9, 2014 10:25 am
I see a lot of people defending Mr. Modi, but not a single word about the real problem that the sub continent South Asia face today. The Environment is maligned by us and we need to take corrective measures. The untimely rains and floods are only warnings. This will be followed by the worst climatic changes. Be careful; denial is not the answer.
Abdul BasitSeptember 9, 2014 10:21 am
Hahaha. You are funny or were trying to be. Jealous on Modi? I can't stop laughing.
Nick GrealySeptember 9, 2014 10:07 am
Is this the same Joss Garman who worked so assiduously at Greenpeace to destroy natural gas, the only currently viable alternative to coal? For some bizarre reason, he was convinced we can move straight from coal and gas to renewables : Making the perfect the enemy of the good. What will happen at Paris 2015 is perfectly clear: The US and China (and even Russia) will agree on a suite of solutions, including natural gas, the method the US has used to cut emissions and the one China has used (with giant hydro and efficiency) to cut the slope of coal growth. Europe risks being sidelined. Host Francois Hollande will look especially ridiculous. What would China and India think if the UK banned onshore natural gas as Greenpeace suggest? What message would that give, and more importantly, how much carbon would it actually remove?
Amar Akbar AnthonySeptember 9, 2014 9:36 am
This author has written soooo bad and have stooped so low that it is not even worth commenting on what she wrote except that what she wrote is a piece of crap. I will any day challenge you if you were un-biased and wrote a well informed well researched article rather than a biased garbage opinion of yours.
poizzonSeptember 9, 2014 9:35 am
Ms.malini do not try to misinterpret. First every people has his own right to speak in mother tongue. Second Modi answered a question which will be easily understand by a teenager. Initially he wanted not to get panicked about climate change because it depends on us. Then he elaborated how to act in order to bring back usual climate balances by reciting our ancient old age practices. I do not know how you misunderstood are you a congress or aap? whatever you are do not try to misinterprete.
SunilSeptember 9, 2014 8:18 am
Pity on the columnist. They are so frustrated and jealous on Modi, that they keep 'spinning' his words to create a controversy. The message was very clear and do not know from which angle these people find controversy. You people are out of ideas, so just keep attacking on Modi in whatever way possible. You are the gutter inspector, so will only find faults with Modi, no matter how many good things or good talk he give. He said, we had a culture of calling rivers as mother, earth as mother and asking apology to mother Earth every morning for stepping on her. You call this as miseducation? Problem for you is not his words, but Modi himself. Happy propaganda campaign :-)
Cy NinSeptember 9, 2014 8:02 am
Those who preach from th altar of man-made global-warming, like Al Gore, work to confuse natural climate change with man-made global warming.
KrishnaSeptember 9, 2014 7:54 am
What are Malini Mehra's credentials? Is she qualified in environmental engineering or management or just another Modi hater seeking attention in the Western Press. Modi has been the Prime Minister only for 100 days. But she blames him for India's electricity and climate problems. India's problems are because of 60 years of misrule by a dynasty. It will take time to fix them.
RamSeptember 9, 2014 7:09 am
People like Malini call themselves professional but are driven by agenda of particular foreign groups . Modi's speech was crystal clear and his concern for climate change is also clear . But he is a nationalist and not sold to some foreign funded groups. While climate concerns must be taken into account, it cannot be at the cost of stalling all development projects.
A VaidyaSeptember 9, 2014 6:20 am
Don't you think it brings us back to exactly the same point where we started from. We need an equity reference framework on the basis of which NDCs can be evaluated relatively......period. Whatever nomenclature or jargon we might use, we need a formula which can help us determine the adequacy of NDCs both in terms of quantum and equity as it has to be ambitious and equitable both.
A VaidyaSeptember 9, 2014 6:14 am
Don't you think it brings us back to the exactly the same point where we started from. We need an equity reference framework on the basis of which NDCs can be evaluated relatively......period. Whatever nomenclature or jargon we might use, we need a formula which can help us determine the adequacy of NDCs both in terms of quantum and equity as it has to be ambitious and equitable both.
Habil AcharyaSeptember 9, 2014 5:56 am
I don't think PM Modi is miseducated in this topic.
Harr DriverSeptember 9, 2014 5:31 am
In related news, a soothsayer named Daniel P. Schrag has recently conjured up the dramatic narrative that 13-foot storm surges will be normal on the Eastern seaboard by 2050.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:22 am
You do realize that all science is funded through grant money, unless it is funded by private corporations looking for a specific outcome, right?
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:22 am
These deniers have never met a climate scientist, read a scientific paper, or attended a scientific meeting. They are blinded by ideology and the money machine promoting climate denial.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:21 am
He is an economist.
Joker DavisSeptember 9, 2014 5:20 am
Nothing is incontrovertible in a complex scientific field like atmospheric science and climate.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:18 am
The GWPF is the fraud. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Global_Warming_Policy_Foundation http://www.desmogblog.com/global-warming-policy-foundation
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:16 am
They are obviously making a big impact on many of the idiots here.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:15 am
I guess you missed the nine independent investigations that vindicated the scientists. Climate scientists have no relationship with corporate interests, but fossil fuel companies and big polluters have certainly done a good job of convicing so many sheeple on this page. All of you spout media reports and know nothing about science.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:14 am
You are being dishonest. 2012 was a record low. We have always had interannual variability. Arctic sea ice is declining by 11.5%/decade. http://climate.nasa.gov/key_indicators/
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:13 am
350ppm
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:12 am
Don't you dare use NASA data that way! You are cherry-picking from 2012, but what counts is that Arctic sea ice is declining by 11.5%/decade. I work for NASA, so please do not misrepresent NASA data! http://climate.nasa.gov/key_indicators/
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:11 am
They are clearly smarter than you are!
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:11 am
Please share your citations to back up your statement.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:10 am
Try reading scientific papers.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:09 am
Complete nonsense. http://climate.nasa.gov/key_indicators/
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:08 am
Actually, they would.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:08 am
Please name the thosands of scientists who disagree - and no, astrophysicists don't count. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v484/n7392/full/nature10915.html
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:06 am
Which seems to reflect the majority here....not a single piece of scientific evidence refuting climate science.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:05 am
What a bunch of unscientific hogwash. Temperature is not linear, plain and simple. http://climate.nasa.gov/key_indicators/ While you're at it, go ahead and study the heat capacity of the ocean.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:02 am
Study climate forcings and return for a meaningful discussion.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 5:02 am
No, they don't, because almost none of them are scientists. The cover letter was signed by the infamous Fred Seitz, who also spoke out in favor of tobocco. http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=s04201998
pdjmooSeptember 9, 2014 4:59 am
Thank you Brahmputra...I'll second (and third) that ... we humans have to wake up to the fact that we are the cause of climate change....change is upon us and change we must. An Urgent Memo To The World: One Environment, One Humanity, One Planet http://ow.ly/BgoCr
shawkins57September 9, 2014 4:57 am
Roy Spencer of the Heartland (which is backed by the Koch brothers) and the George C. Marshall Institute (which is backed by Exxon)??? Give me a break!
shawkins57September 9, 2014 4:57 am
illiterate
shawkins57September 9, 2014 4:56 am
Junk scientists - from every major scientific body in the world? I don't think so.
pdjmooSeptember 9, 2014 4:55 am
On Modi's remark: “Climate has not changed. We have changed…our tolerance and habits have changed. If we change then God has built the system in such a way that it can balance on its own.” He is not wrong. Climate is the RESULT of our actions/inactions. Nature will balance herself if we humans readdress our consumption habits and our rapidly growing disconnection from the natural world and ecosystems that we have ravaged and raped, in some instances, almost to extinction (e.g. the oceans with 99% of the large fish gone); deforestation; fossil fuel addictions; toxic pesticides in our soil, food and waterways killing all insects they engage...and it goes on. I think what Modi is saying that we humans need to reconnect with the fact that without Nature we do not exist and that we are not separate from Her but an integral part that requires responsibility on our part to ensure Her balance and health which then, in turn, reflects in the health and well being of the humans race. The more we remove ourselves from the biosphere as a species within it, dependent on a healthy food chain, and the more we lose respect for that which supports all life by turning it into a dollar figure for unbridled profit, the greater the devastations and biodiversity losses resulting in a gross chemical imbalance of the Planet Earth. We have little choice, if we are to survive as a species, to change our ways and refocus on restoring a healthy environment required for the life and well being of all life and all species. As Modi infers, nature was here long before us. We are the intruders and we need to reconnect and understand the needs of the natural world to maintain the rich biodiversity and balance, our ignorance of which is causing climate change. In the final analysis we cannot drink oil or eat money.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 4:55 am
It's both!
shawkins57September 9, 2014 4:55 am
You're listening to the media, and no doubt haven't read a single scientific journal on the subject.
shawkins57September 9, 2014 4:54 am
What nonsense!
shawkins57September 9, 2014 4:53 am
Burning patroleum by-products does not affect our atmosphere? Please share your scientific information, as you seem to know something that every major scientific institution in the world doesn't agree with.
Amrit PatelSeptember 9, 2014 4:33 am
Dear Malini, I think you are seeking for attention, so you wrote provocative Title. Otherwise there is nothing wrong, what Modi said. Modi is "Maha-Maanav" and your are "Nothing".
GuestSeptember 9, 2014 3:19 am
If you want to talk about this by referring to God, then consider that the laws of physics were created by God. These physical laws say that if humans burn fossil fuels and release trillions of tons of CO2 and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, the atmosphere will trap more and more of the sun's energy, thus heating the planet. As a result, there are more heatwaves, more droughts, more intense rainstorms and floods, and more drastic changes in Earth's climate, including changes in monsoon patterns. If you want to talk about this by referring to God, you should say that we have violated God's laws, and the punishment is already beginning.
Bucky LastardSeptember 9, 2014 2:51 am
The global warming cult needs lots of cartoons to fool their simple minded followers.
WarrenSeptember 9, 2014 2:49 am
Spencer is a real scientist, but long ago lost his dedication to the Scientific Process, and instead has dedicated himself to self-promotion, rather than following the evidence and using his training to arrive at valid conclusions.If you want to know more real Science, read a good science textbook on Climate, or the IPCC reports. or a dozen other authentic Science resources. Not Spencer.
WarrenSeptember 9, 2014 2:40 am
I first thought Most Deniers were just smart people that held opposing views, but now I'm not as sure. There are some, posting on this forum, that make the following assemblage of absurd claims, sometimes more than one in the same paragraph: 1) "We can dismiss AGW just BECAUSE all Scientists come to that same conclusion." (Consensus means it was a bad conclusion) 2) THOUSANDS of Scientists disagree with AGW. (Its not a consensus, and THAT proves AGW is wrong.) 3) I am an amateur scientist and the arguments of the PhD Researchers make no sense to me; and if I don't understand it THEREFORE AGW must be invalid. 4) I don't care that all the Major Universities, National Science Academies, and Scientific Professional Associations of the World have published reports concluding AGW is real, or that the Pentagon, Exxon, Chevron and many US corporations account for AGW in their long range planning. That means nothing. 5) The Scientist members of these Organizations have no participation in their organization's reported conclusions, and the real truth --that AGW is invalid--- is only known by these thousands of oppressed members. 6) All PhD Scientists are incompetent (except of course, me the amateur) 7) All PhD Scientists are in a conspiracy to deceive me and the public. (I'm something special) 8) Science makes lots of mistakes, and therefore I've just proved AGW is invalid. Anyone is welcome to add to this growing list.
Tanta MountSeptember 9, 2014 2:22 am
GW scam alert. And there are plenty of scientists who haven't drunk the GW Koolaid.
screaming eagleSeptember 9, 2014 2:19 am
I think you need to educate your self and get at least 30-40 points added to IQ as you could not understand simple statement - our bad habits had adverse affect on climate and if stop them nature knows to balance it self.
StevoSeptember 9, 2014 2:16 am
Gee HOMEY2 is this a lie? "34 national science academies, three regional academies, and both the international InterAcademy Council and International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences have made formal declarations confirming human induced global warming and urging nations to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases." The American Association for the Advancement of Science, Science & Technology Australia, United States National Research Council, Royal Society of New Zealand, The Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge, African Academy of Sciences, European Academy of Sciences and Arts, European Science Foundation, InterAcademy Panel, International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences, American Chemical Society, American Institute of Physics, American Physical Society, Australian Institute of Physics, European Physical Society, American Geophysical Union, American Society of Agronomy, Soil Science Society of America, the European Federation of Geologists, European Geosciences Union, Geological Society of America, Geological Society of London, International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics, National Association of Geoscience Teachers, American Meteorological Society, Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences, Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, Royal Meteorological Society, World Meteorological Organization, American Quaternary Association, International Union for Quaternary Research, American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians, American Institute of Biological Sciences, American Society for Microbiology, Australian Coral Reef Society, Institute of Biology, Society of American Foresters, The Wildlife Society, World Health Organization, American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Preventive Medicine, American Medical Association, American Public Health Association, Australian Medical Association, World Federation of Public Health Associations, American Astronomical Society, American Statistical Association, Engineers Canada, Engineers Australia, International Association for Great Lakes Research, Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand, WFEO. All of these scientific organizations agree that "warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as evidenced by increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, the widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level." and "Most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities." Organizations that are either non-committal or disagree with the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming: American Association of Petroleum Geologists Gee, is that a surprise? Wait you are a denier you can just say 'It's not true" and that of course doesn't make it true right?
StevoSeptember 9, 2014 2:12 am
LOL wow the tin foil hats are out today/!!!!!
StevoSeptember 9, 2014 2:09 am
JimG there is a consensus that tides occur on the planet earth. I think you should be skeptical and stand at the edge of a beach at low tide and see how that skepticism goes for you.
StevoSeptember 9, 2014 2:06 am
Keep grasping for straws, now its "all the scientists in the world are scared to disagree". Well in a sense yes because when you disagree with basic science you do look like a fool Lance1234.
StevoSeptember 9, 2014 2:02 am
Tol's paper has been debunked up and down, welcome to the real world Skippy!
StevoSeptember 9, 2014 2:00 am
Wow you really need to go back to Elementary School and take science again. "CO2 is broken down by the sun and absorbed into the earth". Wow, just wow! Even better "Burning petroleum by-products, in any amount, does not affect our atmosphere"
WarrenSeptember 9, 2014 1:58 am
1) Bruno is 100% correct. There are no thousands of PhD Climate Scientists or Physicists engaged in Climate Research period -- the total number is more like several hundred -- and only a very few engaged in active research --perhaps one or two -- argue against fossil fuel combustion warming the planet. 2) You have the Science on CO2 half right and half wrong. Higher planetary temperatures, such as those caused by Earth's orbital changes during the Milankovitch cycles when the Sun's rays become more direct -- drive CO2 from the Oceans . And since CO2 is a potent greenhouse gas, the resulting higher levels of atmospheric CO2 amplify the original warming. This positive feedback effect is seen in the proxy data taken from ice cores over the last 800,000 years-- a warming cycle, followed quickly by more warming from the higher CO2. Same effect in reverse has occurred since the beginning of the industrial age. CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels increased atmospheric CO2 (up 40% since 1800), and is now warming the planet via the Greenhouse properties of CO2. 3) The long term trend of a warming planet is undeniable. The rate of warming has been slower in the last 17 yrs (not stopped, but the oceans have picked up the difference., and will eventually give this extra heat back to the atmosphere. Finally, since you seem to be a doubter, consider that ALL of the worlds Science Academies and Professional Organizations and the World's major Universities all conclude Earth is Warming and Man is the Cause; NONE deny any aspect of AGW. The only possible argument you can have is that they are all --The Academies, the Professional Associations, and Universities of the World -- engaged in a massive worldwide conspiracy to defraud the public. And if you lay claim to that argument, you aren't a subscriber to either Reason or Science.
StevoSeptember 9, 2014 1:51 am
Dr. Tol's so called debunking paper in itself has been debunked in fact taken together all his reasoning still supports the 97% which is real.
ManasSeptember 9, 2014 1:50 am
I like the way he explained it.We have to be more conscious about our need.It does not make sense we have to waste more and spend more though we can afford it.For example his thoughts about switching of the electricity,save water and be habituated with nature.Rather then fighting with nature we need to cop up with that and That's a good idea.
J. DesaSeptember 9, 2014 1:48 am
Malini: It seems you have half knowledge of climate change. Also you need to grow up and learn some philosophy, It was stupid of you to mix your knowledge of climate change, and making a political point against PM. PM is thousand times smarter than most of the people you have met so far. So do not try something you do not understand.
StevoSeptember 9, 2014 1:41 am
Let us agree that once again a denier like you John M Landry comes on a comment board about science and but cannot converse in that subject.
StevoSeptember 9, 2014 1:38 am
Let us agree that you absolutely use the same talking points that pervade the denier community,
WarrenSeptember 9, 2014 1:34 am
Thanks for your good post. The Peer-reviewed paper count (your most important point) is accurate. However, the information on oil companies is not. Chevron has been a supporter of the IPCC's conclusion for many years, and has supported and funded research into solutions. I know this because my neighbor, now retired, was, in addition to his position as Under Secretary of International Trade many years ago, was a Chevron Board member. Exxon changed their tune in 2008, and now spends 10s of $ millions annually on research for solutions. They stopped funding the Anti Climate Change Deniers at the same time. Many oil companies (not all), and my corporation (not in the oil business) do not fight, but rather support, finding solutions.
KeithSeptember 9, 2014 1:24 am
More CO2 int he atmosphere means faster photosynthesis, which leads to more food for the human race, eliminating starvation for millions. And this is bad how.
WarrenSeptember 9, 2014 1:21 am
Science invites evidence, which is overwhelming that Earth is warming and Man is the Cause. Skeptical Scientists arrived at these conclusions from their Research. No Scientist engaged in this research has concluded the opposite. I don't see any data from you in support of your claim that Scientists coming to these conclusions (which they all do) are alarmists.
RajSSeptember 9, 2014 1:15 am
For goodness' sake, the man was answering a group of school children. It is NOT a forum for making a policy announcement. Would the author also respond to her child asking "mummy, why is it hot ?" with a long diatribe about climate change geopolitics ? Enough of trolling the man's every action with your own Western Leftist climate change agendas.
WarrenSeptember 9, 2014 1:09 am
Oh yes, there is overwhelming evidence. And ALL the World's top 200 National Science Academies and Scientific Professional Associations conclude the same, as do all the World's Major Universities. Your statements are complete nonsense, not supported by any science, or scientists, anywhere. I am a life long Conservative Republican, and the only thing I lust for is for purveyors of anti-science trash to leave the Party and start a new one -- they could call it the new Neanderthals.
Earl DeckerSeptember 9, 2014 1:05 am
RickA---Yes. And so are his other 96.99% PHD buddies that is why they can not observe the weather and use computer models to tell them what the climate is doing. So far they have been 100% wrong with hundreds of models missing their predictions . That is the reason why numerous articles by these scientists have been occurring lately with all kind of conjectures explaining why the temps. have not been rising as predicted by the models. Also they are alarmed that Arctic sea ice extent and thickness has dramatically increased the last few years and the amount of Antarctic sea ice has increased . They should be happy and enjoy the cooler temps but I think they would be worried about job security and future funding from failed climate research. Happens when you claim you know it all.
Earl DeckerSeptember 9, 2014 12:48 am
Tama---Do your own research. There are many articles that explain how these global temperatures are derived and many of the original temperatures have been changed. This is admitted in many of the articles and the reasons they give for doing so. This changing of original temperatures is what is called cherry picking and fudged temps. Cherry- picking is leaving out temp. data that does not support their models and picking ones that do. Hide the decline to make the hockey stick graph show a more dramatic and false skewed slope.
jayaSeptember 9, 2014 12:46 am
Malini, are you Indian? It seems the nuances of the speech went over your head!
CBSeptember 9, 2014 12:44 am
Here's Richard Tol suggesting the complete meltdown of Greenland and the partial meltdown of Antarctica is likely because of our emission of CO₂: motherboard.vice.com/read/the-house-science-committee-spent-all-day-proudly-denying-climate-change#comment-1413198875 If you think Richard Tol is a reliable source of information, why would you be skeptical of the dangers he's identified?
Earl DeckerSeptember 9, 2014 12:36 am
john bruce----You are referring to the CAGW'ers of course.
Earl DeckerSeptember 9, 2014 12:34 am
event horizon---and that caused a lot of CO2 as well as a few volcanoes spewing GhG's. And the polar regions are colder and temperatures down. The increased and accumulated amounts from previous years of CO2 did not increase global temperatures, Believe what you want but I believe in observed facts not false computerized models. CO2 and global warming did not cause the drought conditions that the SW US is experiencing. Weather patterns have shifted and will eventually shift again and replenish the parched regions.
RajSeptember 9, 2014 12:18 am
What he said was climate did not change but we changed and it has implications. Sigh! What a dumb article!
Len BotterillSeptember 9, 2014 12:06 am
Thank you for your thoughts John Bruno. I would concur that the approach by John Cook to make the case for climate change relatable and simple to the general public is a great idea. I am not a scientist myself - my qualifications are in the humanities, but I do try to keep up with the science and try to follow it even back to the original research papers. To the multitude of deniers here i would say - do your homework and go back to the original research if you can. Recognise that scientists are not perfect, but that science is an ongoing proposition of theories to explain observations. But that these observations will necessarily always be incomplete. That is the nature of the beast We live and learn. Scientists are highly trained and go through considerable effort and angst to try and get a handle on things, and often never do. I have had so many debates with deniers about aspects of AGW that I am almost about not bothering anymore. ALL comments by deniers that I have read here so far are false and have patent absurdities or selective use of data either in timings or extent, and I would need a month to answer them all. I would just say that it is great that they get a voice, thanks John Cook for that fairness. To John Bruno, don't take the criticisms to heart. As Caesar said " they know not what they do". In regard to the Great Barrier Reef, it is great that the government and Adani are now reconsidering dumping the spoil on land. That should remove one stressor. But of course the warming water and acidification levels are by far the larger extant threats.I have seem research studies done at James Cook University, similar research at Monash University here in Melbourne and parallel research in England which suggests that cellular impediment and breakdown of organelles within species of phytoplankton on the corals will start to occur when water temperatures increase by about 1.8 degrees. Would you be able to assess this at all?
Earl DeckerSeptember 8, 2014 10:54 pm
Larry---Venus never had an atmosphere , oceans, continents,biota, etc, etc and distance from sun as earth or moon as earth does. So what does looking at Venus prove. Look at all the other planets and moons in the solar system. LOOK at all the galaxies, stars , black holes. white holes , a--holes in the universe!!!!! That's amazing and doesn't worry me.
John L.September 8, 2014 9:10 pm
Please look-up "climategate".
John L.September 8, 2014 9:09 pm
Big oil is involved in green energy, don't kid yourself.
John L.September 8, 2014 9:08 pm
You are right, big oil has dirty hands. In fact they are most like involved in green tech too, playing both sides. I am of course speaking of corrupt "scientists", those that would violate a basic premise of science and say that "the case is closed". Many scientists aren't buying AGW either.
j_reaySeptember 8, 2014 8:30 pm
Stated simply so even you will understand: You are a fool.
BitterjackSeptember 8, 2014 8:23 pm
Also of note - The people that literally worship the science of AGW deny the science of GMO. I read it on Yahoo, so it has to be true.
BitterjackSeptember 8, 2014 8:18 pm
and yet less than 1% of the Al Gore Worshippers have taken personal action to reduce the global warming they are causing. Don't believe me? Walk outside, look at the roofs around your neighborhood. How many houses have solar panels or wind turbines. Now according to the pollsters, only half the population denies AGW. That means the other half of the population believes in it. So then at least half of those that believe in it should be able to do something about it. Yet, I am the only one in my neighborhood with hundreds of houses that has solar panels. there is one other house in the region with solar panels. Go ahead, look around. Then take some personal responsibility for something you so fervently believe in.
bernard townsendSeptember 8, 2014 7:39 pm
With the daily disaster being delivered to many areas of the Northern Hemisphere, floods from tremendous rains, superstorms and drought, all traceable to the warming Arctic which is continually increasing its influence on the weather patterns, people are starting to notice something is changed.
Robin_GuenierSeptember 8, 2014 7:21 pm
You're right: but that "very cheap energy" will be based on Old King Coal.
Derrrrrrrr.......September 8, 2014 7:12 pm
There are some idiots here. Your name pretty much places you in that category. Gore just described the situation to the average person, but has no more of a scientific background than you. The difference is, he believes the experts, you hate a politician so much you cannot believe anything you heard of through him. So if he told you your house was on fire, you would be content to ignore him because he is not a fireman, then you would keep boasting your ignorance as your house and you burned into ashes. And the scientific community (for some reason) is trying to convince the last few REALLY unintelligent people in the world that AGW is a fact. They publish thousands of papers you would not read or would not understand even if you could read them and show the data from thousands of studies (ditto above) in an attempt to show the really stupid people that this is a very important issue not only for you but for your grandchildren who will really suffer the effects of your ignorance.
Klaus MagerSeptember 8, 2014 7:12 pm
when a doctor tells us we have a high probability of cancer because our blood shows elevated levels of whatever, we start fearing for our live and react immediately, submitting ourselves to more tests, none of which we really understand, trusting in the science that developed all of this. When that same science is telling us that the planet has a very high probability of going into a cardiac phase, the result of which would essentially have the probability of ending our civilization as we know it, we are doing what? Have we gone completely nuts? Who in the world do you guys think you are second guessing the world's best scientists who are profoundly disturbed and literally begging you to pay attention? Or would you rather believe the carbon industry executives funding people who want to tell you everything is just fine, it is all a hoax, keep going as is. Really?
Derrrrrrrr.......September 8, 2014 7:07 pm
Dr. Richard Toll? The economist? This is the problem with you deniers. You base your entire (false) theology on people who are not qualified to make a statement on the subject (but do anyways), then you think because they have a 'Dr.' in front of their name, they have reliable credentials. The man who's study you quote is not a scientist! Moreover he is an economist, which pretty likely puts him under the payroll of the Kock Brothers (or a similiar vested group). The scientific Consensus IS accepted as fact because there is no better explanation.
Derrrrrrrr.......September 8, 2014 7:02 pm
It's funny how the ONLY people who don't agree about the scientific consensus on this issue are people who have no understanding of, nor background in science.
Derrrrrrrr.......September 8, 2014 7:01 pm
Nobody agrees with ANYTHING past your first statement. And remarkably, that is the one you have no understanding of.
Substance22September 8, 2014 6:53 pm
They say the proof is in the pudding. For mainstream climate science, the pudding (global temp) seems unwilling to cooperate.
bruce lancasterSeptember 8, 2014 6:51 pm
Global warming cultists are off their nut. Just wait. It won't be long before they start preaching to their followers either mass suicide or genocide to remove human carbon footprint. The kool aid is chilled and poured. Just keep lapping it up.
jim_robertSeptember 8, 2014 6:44 pm
And now REAL meteorologists speak. I don't expect any intellectually honest response from the left to this, of course: “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.” “Inevitably in climate science, when data conflicts with models, a small coterie of scientists can be counted upon to modify the data...That the data should always need correcting to agree with models is totally implausible and indicative of a certain corruption within the climate science community.” Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist. “The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet. “Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles. “The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico “It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA. “Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ. “After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review. “For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden. “Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee. “Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh. “Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles. “CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan. “The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. “Climate is not responding to greenhouse gases in the way we thought it might. If increasing carbon dioxide is in fact increasing climate change, its impact is smaller than natural variation.”Prof Christopher de Freitas, of the University of Auckland, NZ said there was no evidence to suggest carbon dioxide was the major driver of climate change) (In 2003, Dr. de Freitas, who edits the journal Climate Research, had published a peer-reviewed article saying the recent warming is not unusual, relative to previous historical climate changes in the past 1,000 years. As you might suspect, Dr. de Freitas had to withstand multiple demands he be fired from his editorial job, as well as his university position. “I appreciate the opportunity to add my name to those who disagree that global warming is man made,” John Theon wrote to the Minority Office at the Environment and Public Works Committee on January 15, 2009. “I was, in effect, Hansen’s supervisor because I had to justify his funding, allocate his resources, and evaluate his results,” Theon is former Chief of the Climate Processes Research Program at NASA “Over the years, the IPCC has changed from a scientific institution that tries to be policy relevant to a political institution that pretends to be scientific. I regret that. There are already more than enough climate activists, while there are too few solid and neutral bodies that make down-to-earth and well-founded statements about climate change and climate policy.” Economist Richard Tol, in a prepared statement for the Dutch parliament examining climate-related controversies Interestingly, even IPCC uber-warmer Ken Trenberth has stated “It’s very clear we do not have a climate observing system… This may be a shock to many people who assume that we do know adequately what’s going on with the climate, but we don’t.” Professor Emeritus Friedrich Karl Ewert a geologist from Paderborn University noted the "evaluation of long-term temperature readings . . . disprove that we have man-made global warming," and presented the results of his analysis at a CFACT meeting in 2011 that of over 1,100 temperature curves from around the world, concluding, "the final result is that in 74% of all stations of the world we had no warming." While the UN has often been told there will be terrible consequences if the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere remains at or increases from the current 390 parts per million (ppm), Dr. Ewert pointed out that "in the geological past, we had the greatest glaciation of the earth (the glacier went down to 35 degrees north) when we have carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere of 1400 [ppm]. That means it was several times higher than today." In other words, the historical evidence proves CO2 does not control earth's climate. Dr. Ewert summarizes "It is necessary to conclude that the particular effect of manmade carbon dioxide production is not recognizable, in other words, does not exist."
jim_robertSeptember 8, 2014 6:43 pm
Farley Mowat, the noted Canadian leftist and Greenpeace activist, wrote in his book West Viking (written while we were still in the global cooling scare) that there were probably at least dwarf forests growing in Greenland when the Vikings arrived in 985 AD and the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History reports “… Erik the Red discovered two areas of southwest Greenland which were suitable for farming, with grasslands and small stands of alder and birch.” You will note that it is too cold today for any type of forests to grow in Greenland, and there is zero ability to farm, unless modern technologies are utilized – and even then, crop selection is very minimal. Mowat also reported the Arctic pack ice was much less in that Viking discovery era than today. Dr. Fred Singer writes that when the Vikings first settled Greenland, they grew vegetables, and it was warm enough to allow the population to grow to 3,000 people and by 1100 AD the place was thriving enough that they had their own bishop and twelve churches. Nature reported in a 2010 article that clamshell studies also confirm Norse records. Meanwhile, the Archeological Survey of Canada has also noted around “A.D. 1000, a warmer climate resulted in the tree line advancing 100 kilometres north of its present position.” Indeed, when I was conducting research in Iceland at Skaftafell Nat'l Park two years ago, Icelandic historians know from extant deeds – and have put in the displays at the park - that somewhere around FORTY old Viking era farms are currently buried under the Vatnajokull glacier system (the largest in the world outside of Greenland and Antarctica). In other words, it was simply much warmer in the Icelandic settlement era than it is today. We are routinely informed of the melting of Greenland glaciers today at lower altitudes, but demonstrably there are at bare minimum low altitude glaciers in roughly the same geographic area that had seen more melting and more pronounced glacial recession one thousand years ago than we see today. Al Gore may want to visit Skaftafell National Park in Iceland on one of his many jet-setting, carbon burning trips to check the facts himself. More evidence: There are records of grape growing occurring in places in northern Europe back during this optimum where they can't grow today. Gregory McNamee, in the Weather Guide Calendar (Accord Publishing, 2002) noted that wine connoisseurs might have gone to England for fine vintages (can’t grow fine vintage grapes there today!), that heat loving trees like beeches carpeted Europe far into Scandinavia, and Viking ships crossed iceberg free oceans to ice free harbors in Iceland…”. Art Horn writes that “In the winter of 1249 it was so warm in England that people did not need winter clothes. They walked about in summer dress. It was so warm people thought the seasons had changed. There was no frost in England the entire winter. Can you imagine what NOAA would say if that happened next year? “ On the other side of the world, research by Panin and Nefedov in 2010, where they analyzed rivers and lakes in the Upper Volga and Upper Zapadnaya Dvina areas in Russia, also found evidence of a Medieval climatic optimum in that part of the world Even worse for the warmers, recent research has found evidence for the Medieval Climatic Optimum in the central Peruvian Andes, southern South America, China, see, where the author XJ Zhou notes "temperatures in the Medieval Warm Period are comparable to those in the current warm period over China," and Antarctica, Li, Y., Cole-Dai, J. and Zhou, L. 2009. Glaciochemical evidence in an East Antarctica ice core of a recent (AD 1450-1850) neoglacial episode. Journal of Geophysical Research 114: 10.1029/2008JD011091 Amazingly, there is even clear evidence of the LIA and MWP in Antarctica. Better, google Dr. Tim Ball+picea glauca (hint to anti-science leftists… that means white spruce). Here is a pix of a 5,000 year old picea glauce right NEAR TODAY’S ARCTIC OCEAN in western Canada, FAR from the tree line today. How did it get there, anti-science leftists? Truth is, there have been numerous climactic optima, including the Medieval Warm Period, the Roman Warm Period, etc. - that all have been as warm as, or warmer, than today.
jim_robertSeptember 8, 2014 6:41 pm
I am a Canadian who hikes a lot in the Canadian Rockies. Early pictures from the area vs. today show much glacier recession, at least for some glaciers, such as Bow Glacier, which is the source of the Bow River. The hiking book Classic Hikes in the Canadian Rockies shows this glacier around 1900. If you go there today, the same glacier is much, much receded. But here is the rub. The same anti-science types, who think science is determined by “consensus” (of which there is none, not even close) rather than **experimentation and hypothesis testing**, unthinkingly look at this and make utterly unwarranted conclusions. The fact of the matter is that there was something called the Little Ice Age (LIA) the nadir of which was the early 1800s. The simple fact is that this was one of the coldest periods since the Ice Age, and we are still emerging from this. THAT, mon ami, is why the Bow Glacier – and its sisters – have receded: we are still emerging from that LIA. This is why, according to the Archeological Survey of Canada, the tree line was 100 km. NORTH of where it is today during the MWP (Medieval Warm Period, which was preceded by the similar Roman Warm Period. Incidentally, that emergence from the Little Ice Age has stopped over the past dozen years – there has been ZERO global warming since 1998, which now even the co-opted IPCC admits, as did Phil Jones at Hadley , the lead global warmer – until ClimateGate forced him to resign (and you’ll notice the leftists and Agenda 21 scamsters hope you’ll forget Climategate… along with Lois LernerGat More evidence. Kegwins’ study in Nature on marine radioistopes shows that we are, today, still BELOW the 3,000 year average. If you google “Dr. Tim Ball+picea glauca” you will find a white spruce stump on the coast Canada’s Arctic Ocean, dated about 5,000 years ago, and NOWHERE near today’s treeline. Of course, no one on the left has the intellectual honesty to address any of this. The reality is that the left, the BIG GREEN MONEY, and the Agenda 21 types want to control energy, which allows them to control everything that touches, which is… well, everything
jim_robertSeptember 8, 2014 6:39 pm
You can't be serious, can you???? Really? : Since when has “consensus,” rather than experimentation and hypothesis testing defined science? Since Galileo? Copernicus? Columbus? Since Hitler had published “100 Scientists Against Einstein?” Since Ignaz Semmelweis was drummed out of the medical biz in the 1800s for insisting his doctors wash their hands between operations? Oh, and that consensus horsemanure? Al Gore, the same man who flunked out of graduate school (in a non-scientific area no less) has stated about global warming “The debate in the scientific community is over.” In contrast, Dr. Richard Lindzen of MIT, professor of atmospheric science has stated “Al Gore is wrong. There is no consensus on global warming.” and the frantic alarmism all over the media has, in Dr. Lindzen’s own words, “nothing to do with science.” Meanwhile, Colorado State University meteorology professor emeritus William Gray says about global warming: "It's a big scam.” Frederick Seitz Past President of the National Academy of Sciences sponsored a petition against the whole global warming façade, which over 19,000 scientist signed this petition... as opposed to the 600 the U.N. could scrounge up, and some of these 600 have since reconsidered their past agreement, such as Nobel Prize winning physicist Ivar Glaever who stated in an update to the U.S. Senate Minority report for 2007 that “Global warming has become a new religion” and “I am a skeptic,”.Japanese scientist Kiniori Itoh, another former IPCC member who has called Gorian warming a “scientific scandal,” while noting that people “will feel deceived by science and scientists” when they learn the truth. For a complete list of signees to the OISM petition – which includes a simply staggering number of Ph.Ds go to the .oism (dot) org/pproject/ site, where they are arranged in alphabetical order. Meanwhile a similar petition www (dot) petitionproject – as of Aug., 2008 – had 31,072 scientist signatures, including 9,021 with Ph.Ds disagreeing with anthropogenic global warming.
paultSeptember 8, 2014 6:37 pm
Awesome video. The '97%' should be forced to watch this over and over until they get it! Don't you love it when the 'climate scientists' in their own private emails question everything they're saying publicly, based on their OWN finding that there is no global warming evidence in the troposphere, the one place THEY touted as inviolable evidence for global warming? Shame on them! Billions of dollars of research might finally resolve into one simple measurement that debunks the whole scam.
StarbuckSeptember 8, 2014 6:32 pm
Nonsense.... "There is essentially no disagreement within the global scientific community that burning fossil fuels is measurably (and obviously) warming the planet" The only reason why he can make this statement is that the warmers will not allow the vast majority of scientists to weigh in on the subject and expel anyone that goes against their religion. The truth is the vast proportion of world scientists do not agree with this dogma. Those of you who go along with this and believe these articles are victims of propaganda....
paultdSeptember 8, 2014 6:13 pm
Unless we carry beauty within us, we find it not. (Emerson?)
Thudar9September 8, 2014 5:45 pm
Climate change is a government sponsored scam to eliminate freedom. They want more taxes, they want your savings. They want your property if you don't meet the green law criteria. Government want you to install solar panels only so they can later tax the saving you accrue. They want you poor,silent and compliant. John Bruno is leading the charge.
Daniel33333333September 8, 2014 5:43 pm
Your precious 97% is as made up as the data used to feed the models that continue to be wrong. * The survey was sent to 10,257 scientists with only 3,146 scientists responding to the survey. So, 30.67% responded - how can you sat 97% agree if 67.33% never replied? * One question asked: "When compared to pre-1800 levels, do you think mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant? Of the 3,146 respondents, 90% said risen yet this would be false if you started with the temp during the Roman Empire when it was warmer than it is today. * Another question asked "Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?". Of the 3,146 respondents only 82% answered yes to this question. Hmmm ... they don't specifically say CO2 but rather "human activity" which can include population explosion, land clearing, etc and they're still nowhere near 97% of the responders. *The 97% figure from the survey comes from a whittling down of the accepted number of responses from 3,146 to 79. The 79 scientist are those that said they have recently published 50% of their papers in the area of climate change. Of these, 76 of 79 answered “risen” to questions one (96.2%). How this number is not 100% is very strange. As to question two 75 of 77 answered “yes” (97.4%).
1GentlemanLen1September 8, 2014 5:33 pm
The entire article is a 'puff piece'. There is NO evidence - much less OVERWHELMING evidence - the earth's climate is - or will be - any kind of a problem for human habitation. Further CO2 is broken down by the sun and absorbed into the earth. There is NO accumulation - or an EXCESS - of CO2. Burning petroleum by-products, in any amount, does not affect our atmosphere. This HOAX is not about the earth's atmosphere - it's 100% centered in human corruption and lust for dominance among GOVERNMENTS. The blue state voters - and low information voters - are lusting after a way to change the way the world works. Karl Marx is the model for that - 'Take it from who have it - and give to those who 'need' it'. Petroleum is the TARGET - but NOT the objective....
hahcuttSeptember 8, 2014 5:32 pm
Historically, almost always when there has been broad consensus among the scientific community, they have been wrong.
BRAHMPUTRASeptember 8, 2014 5:29 pm
Malini Modi is absolutely right. What he meant by his saying that we are responsible for climate change. Prime examples is pollution. Why carbon credit was created? answer is reduce the pollution. What was the result? It was created as a penalty which turn into muscle flexing between two countries. It takes years to nurture a tree and a moment to cut it. Who does it? We the consumers for our needs. In one sentence he brought up the idea of reverence to nature rather than utilisation of nature. Nature is a constant cycle. It never depletes. The form of energy changes but energy is never depleted. This is the eternal fact. Water is a natural resources. Is Government polluting rivers or we the people do it? Can social reformers like you bring the awareness even to the bid industrial houses which are responsible for pollution? You guys do not have gut to take on them. Why is it wrong for Modi to say that even turning the light bulb helps to reduce pollution? Is it because it will cut the profit of utilities companies? Why efficient countries like USA can not provide affordable mass transportation to every town and city, so that people do not have to consume oil? Each of us can contribute significantly. We remember in our childhood, we did not have paper bags or plastic bags to buy the grocery. Grain, vegetables were packed in jute sacks and bags which were reusable. Do we need lesson climate lessons from you guys? Dear Malini understand the subtle message that was given by Modi to everyone. More you understand him better it would be for you. He works with strategy of "Ishavasyam idam Sarvam......ten tyekten bhoonjitha maa grudha kashysvidhanam" ( Spelling of the Ishopanishad sholk may be wrong...) You can take trouble to google read Ishopanishad on Google, so that, it will benefit you to carry you mission. Entire Universe is abode God, utilise and enjoy with the grace and reverence to God.
event horizonSeptember 8, 2014 5:24 pm
I know the 3000 people who lost their homes on the east side of Cascades and Sierra Nevada are part of "a carefully crafted lie"The Colorado River basin is dry. They are fighting over water in Cal. and you say " is the world getting warmer, and is man made co2 the primary cause? my god wake up
Mike LambertsenSeptember 8, 2014 5:23 pm
Morons.... We do not control the climate ..... We are on this rock for the ride we do not control what the earth does or will do. If you convert the age of the earth to a 24 clock, man has only been for 7 seconds. So in 7 seconds we control the whole day?? Wake up people Al Gore was dead wrong
event horizonSeptember 8, 2014 5:18 pm
@ Pierre: the Aleutian Low over the North Pacific is changing. the east side of the Cascades and Sierra Nevada lost alot of homes.
john bruce beardsleySeptember 8, 2014 5:18 pm
Thanks for sharing your obsessive fantasies
john bruce beardsleySeptember 8, 2014 5:17 pm
Believing the people who really know is not being a syncophant. it's using your sense. Try it sometime.
Mark Van GroosSeptember 8, 2014 5:16 pm
if the Climate stopped changing, then i would worry.
john bruce beardsleySeptember 8, 2014 5:15 pm
The consensus that AGW is read and dangerous is strong everyplace except one and that place is Yahoo threads. It's like Alice in Wonderland here, a thousand red Queens and mad hatter deniers.
jpk112September 8, 2014 5:08 pm
Cartoons! Really-once again this is satire-right????
Kevin ParlettSeptember 8, 2014 5:00 pm
Democrats are desperate for a new revenue source and this is just the scam to do it. These scientists come out every day with more bs. They claim the science is settled yet something changes almost daily. I guess its not settled. Plus how many times have they been caught faking data? many. Some of you people need to quit buying everything the media feeds you.
event horizonSeptember 8, 2014 4:57 pm
It is not climate change that is the problem. It is the destruction of the eco-systems. Climate Change is just one of many processes man has fueled to sustain the systematic, step-wise destruction of this once beautiful planet. I can do nothing about it because" I am just a Singer in a Rock and Roll Band" you tube music Seventh Sojourn Moody Blues 1972 you did not listen then and you are not listening now.
StackRatSeptember 8, 2014 4:55 pm
Right, better to believe those powerful corporate fossil fuel interests. They only have the public good at heart, and would give humanity a big warm, sticky, oily hug if they could. Scientists aren't too bright, anyway. In college, while classmates in other disciplines were taking difficult classes, these future scientists were taking physics, organic chemistry, math - you know, the easy stuff.
StackRatSeptember 8, 2014 4:49 pm
That's right, why believe a scientist about science when you can believe "common sense people." Those common sense people, who didn't spend up to 10 years of their lives getting a PhD in science, are pretty smart when it comes to science.
BenSeptember 8, 2014 4:48 pm
Has anyone else noticed how the alarmists try to explain the cooling of the last 17 years? There are articles that claim the "Deniers" are just cherry picking time. There are articles that claim the heat is in the ocean. There are articles that claim the heat is in the soil. There are articles that claim the cooling is just a blip and warming will continue. The alarmists can't even generate a vast consensus on how to debunk the "deniers". Also, my last post was about an hour ago. It contained no links to other sites or inappropriate language. It touted the flaws of Cook et al and their 97% consensus. Hopefully that post and this will be approved. Science invites skepticism.
JimGSeptember 8, 2014 4:45 pm
Consensus is a political ideal, not scientific. Real science demands skepticism and proof. What we have here is a bunch of out of work academics that have found a cash cow.
darthusurpusSeptember 8, 2014 4:44 pm
Science is NOT a consensus vocation, so the only people who are participating in these b.s. consensus claims are junk scientists -who have violated the Scientific Method and therefore have zero credibility.
belongoneSeptember 8, 2014 4:39 pm
From what I've read of the scientific consensus on climate change, the question is no longer if humans cause climate change, but how profoundly damaging the results. Sadly, there are those moneyed interests evil or crazy enough to fund active opposition to addressing climate change. I applaud these scientists for not giving up the fight for sanity. To see such intransigent denial in the face of scientific proofs which scientists understand based on, well, math, must be extremely discouraging. We live in a time when volume too often passes as truth. Truth, as always, will out. Hopefully with our species still present or with an advanced enough civilization to notice.
markSeptember 8, 2014 4:36 pm
in the past co2 does not creat warming but was a result of warming .co2 was forced out of the oceans co2 increase was 200 to 800 years after the air warming.
PaultdSeptember 8, 2014 4:30 pm
When these 'scientists' really lost me was when I was attacked and ridiculed online for asking the most basic question: "How was it decided that CO2 should be the focus when investigating climate change?" (After all, it is a trace gas in the atmosphere, and long term climate change require hundreds or thousands of years to manifest itself.) The answers I received: "You're scientifically illiterate, you're a right wing nut, a schill for the oil companies, you're a moron, you're stupid, everyone knows this, it's been known since the 1800's, thousands of studies have proved it, it's the same way a greenhouse works, etc". But all of their arguments unraveled when the planet stopped warming, and instead of conceding that this disproved their models, they said "the heat must be hiding in the oceans". Yes, they really said this! My reply: "If the heat can hide from you, how can you say with any certainty what the actual average global temperature might be?" Inescapable conclusion: You can't! It follows then that you can't say if the planet is getting warmer, cooler, or not changing at all. So they continue to rely on models that are disproven by actual measurements, and have abandoned science and rationality and have become propagandists, slogan work-shoppers, spin masters, bullies, and liars, in the tradition of Lance Armstrong. For the record I am a retired computer scientist with a life-long interest in science and nature. For those who wish to know more, I can recommend "The Great Global Warming Blunder", by Roy Spencer.
Lance1234September 8, 2014 4:27 pm
Keep in mind that “scientists” are just like everyone else. They are not “Super Men”. They get up in the morning and put their pants on one leg at a time just like everyone else. They make bad judgments and get married and divorced like everyone else. They have mental and emotional issues just like everyone else. They are subject to peer pressure just like everyone else. They have financial issues just like everyone does. They also live and die professionally based on the ability to receive government grants from politically controlled agencies looking for predetermined answers. 97% of those scientists who are in the fraternity and asked to agree have expressed agreement in fear of being kicked out of the fraternity, as has been the fate of the 3% who were asked and who expressed disagreement.. Those who were never admitted to the fraternity are never asked to agree are not counted. Those not asked, but expressing a contrary opinion are labeled as “Deniers” and ostracized. The 97% agreement argument is intellectually dishonest politically driven BS.
FBDSeptember 8, 2014 4:26 pm
"There is essentially no disagreement within the global scientific community...." I guess 31,000+ American scientists who have signed this petition don't count: http://www.petitionproject.org/
belongoneSeptember 8, 2014 4:23 pm
No, I just read other denier comments below. Clown noses are allowed free speech too.
frankly2September 8, 2014 4:23 pm
Questions you need to answer: If it is measurably contributing to global warming how much is it contributing and what are the other reasons we are warming?(there is no consensus to the answer of that question) If we eliminate all the co2 emissions man makes will global warming stop? (there is no answer to this question. One of your bearded scientists likened reducing co2 emissions by half having the same affect on global warming as spitting off his back porch).
belongoneSeptember 8, 2014 4:21 pm
So, any would include the one you just made? Or are they just the ones wearing big red clown noses?
Solving TornadoesSeptember 8, 2014 4:12 pm
They agree to agree. They agree to not ask questions.
LarrySeptember 8, 2014 4:12 pm
Anyone take a look at Venus? That's global warming gone amuck.
JSSeptember 8, 2014 4:12 pm
There is no industry on Earth more powerful than petroleum. Let's suppose, purely hypothetically of course, that the climate scientists were correct. Do you think the oil billionaires would simply say, "Sorry, our fault, let's search for cleaner forms of energy."? True or false, the Koch brothers and their type would fund denialism. Saying that green energy is "powerful" is like comparing Pee Wee League football to the NFL.
BenSeptember 8, 2014 4:11 pm
Alarmists want to be right(who doesn't). As a means to deflect any critique, they claim that "all scientists" support their opinion. Thus any contrarian view is vilified as: not the appropriate scientist, mythological belief, scientists that are paid off by an evil "corporate" party that "just wants to destroy the planet", "you're obviously not a scientist, so you have no legitimate argument", "the science is settled", "the debate is over", etc, etc, etc. The reality is: a very minor few actually read these studies. The comments within this very thread show that on both sides of the argument. Scientific studies are boring and the average person is going to find them as the driest piece of paper they will ever experience. We like a quick and easy synopsis. Unfortunately such a synopsis can generate a very misleading understanding of the study Anybody that knows anything about a census/poll/or statistics; would know that a percentage of people agreeing at a rate over of 50% is going to be hard to muster. The greater the number, the greater that something likely isn't right. But it doesn't matter. because the purpose is to make a talking point. That talking point synopsis is used to corral a perception. Cook even wrote: "The public’s perception of that scientific consensus is necessary to stimulate political debate about solutions." This talking point is out. The alarmist have obviously given it no critique. Because that would make them hypocritical to their own argument of "questioning science". It supports their view and unfortunately, like the "car companies have a carburetor that can get a 100 mpg, but big oil is paying them off not to use it"; it's going to linger around for a while.
HOMEY2September 8, 2014 4:11 pm
stop repeating that 97% consensus--its a lie--you do know that there are other news sources and that there is an internet ? right ? --the 97% is broken down--the formula is available--its not what is being touted--you are either a liar or willfully stupid
HOMEY2September 8, 2014 4:07 pm
there hasnt been any warming for 18 years--none of the models predicted the "pause" if the "consensus" wasnt looking for lots of money they would have more credibility-this scam has run out of steam--but Im sure there will be no stopping the get togethers at exotic locations--gotta love those meetings--and most take private jets to get there ?
BillSeptember 8, 2014 4:05 pm
Funny, there is a different thread going on about the origin of the bible and the skeptics here are fine accepting that myth on faith, while they won't accept evidence based science. Says allot about their reasoning ability.
Jim BlackfordSeptember 8, 2014 4:05 pm
And what is always ignored is that unless you go along with this politically driven agenda your funding will be cut off.
JSSeptember 8, 2014 4:02 pm
There were 10,885 peer-reviewed papers written on the topic in 2013. The papers that supported the belief that man-made forces are the main factor in climate change: 10,883. It's one thing to simply say it's not true, but it's another to prove it. That's why deniers cannot prove their contention with science. There are 10 companies on Earth that have annual revenues in excess of $100B. Seven are petreoleum companies. If anybody believes that these companies wouldn't fight tooth and nail to ensure that support for finding alternatives to oil and gas, raise your hand.
Jim SpeedSeptember 8, 2014 4:01 pm
Yep.
Jim SpeedSeptember 8, 2014 4:00 pm
Yes they are... anyone disagreeing with him with FACTS is..
Jim SpeedSeptember 8, 2014 3:59 pm
John Bruno your statements are laughable. Especially "There is essentially no disagreement within the global scientific community that burning fossil fuels is measurably (and obviously) warming the planet.".. that is blatantly FALSE. There are thousands of Scientist, Climatologist and Astrophysicist who DISAGREE with you. And NO.. CO2 does NOT drive Temps.. Temps drive CO2 - its evidenced in core samples. AND.. noting that there have been NO global rise in temps in 19 years - seems to deflate your balloon as well. You also FAIL to mention the medieval warm period in which almost all the glaciers were gone from lower Greenland and viking were growing CROPS. Temps were actually MUCH higher during that period with NO HUMAN interaction such as cars or fossil fuel burning to account for it. You need to go back to school dude...
g_sorosSeptember 8, 2014 3:55 pm
The demise of global warming is occurring now. The pathetic and questionable 0.8C rise in surface temperature since 1880 has been in hiatus since 1998. Temperature measurements from 1880 until at least 1960 are unreliable. It is possible that there has been no warming at all. The shrill predictions that never come true have hurt the warming argument badly. Source; March 6,2014 according to research published in the journal Environmental Research Letters the average global temperature has already increased by 0.8C on pre-industrial levels.
TweetytudeSeptember 8, 2014 3:53 pm
Watch this Canadian scientist testify to the bad science called Gorebal Warming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDKSkBrI-TM
Kirk TSeptember 8, 2014 3:43 pm
The 97 percent figure has been widely debunked. Even the IPCC’s lead author, Dr. Richard Tol mocks the 97 percent figure. He states, “People who want to argue that climate researchers are secretive and incompetent only have to point to the 97% consensus paper.” He refers to a report authored by John Cook, Dana Nuccitelli and others that examined 11,944 “climate abstracts” in the scientific literature. But the authors of that study themselves found otherwise, noting that “66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming.” In other words, examining the abstracts alone found only 32.6 percent supported the notion of man-caused global warming. The 97 percent figure was derived by comparing the 32.6 percent with those who rejected (0.7%) or were unsure (0.3%), and essentially ignoring the rest. so who is not worth listening too.
JSSeptember 8, 2014 3:31 pm
Seriously! All the liberals have to offer is facts and data. 1) 10,885 peer reviewed papers from top scientists written on the topic in 2013. Number of papers supporting the belief that climate change is manmade: 10,883. 2) Ten warmest years on record have all happened since 1998. 3) Number of years that global temperature has been above 20th century average: 37 consecutive. Move along people, nothing to see here...
Michael RyanSeptember 8, 2014 3:30 pm
here's a clue - consensus is feelings, not science. try math next time.
NickSeptember 8, 2014 3:23 pm
Explain to me how they "fudge temps". Show me how this was done. Show me also the un-"fudged" temps. Let us agree that those who oppose any measures to mitigate the present human induced global climate changes think that they're the only ones who are going to be asked to change their lifestyles to a degree. I suppose you think that all those scientists who labor on through thousands of hours of analysis are going to be except from any lifestyle changes. Right?
TheFuture CanasodaSeptember 8, 2014 3:22 pm
This is a great way to debunk all the myths around fossil fuels being good for us. Thanks for taking this on.
RHO1953September 8, 2014 3:18 pm
Obviously the oceans store energy and massively impact climate AND weather, and that is nothing new. So why has there been no warming for nineteen years? Why is it turning into winter already? Even if you believe in AGW you have to understand that co2 is ubiquitous, regulating co2 is regulating every human activity and behavior. There is simply no way to cut co2 enough to roll back co2 levels to that of the 18 century. No way, and they know it. This is about leveraging more control and taxation.
Independence_R_USSeptember 8, 2014 3:14 pm
I have to agree that man is making a change to his environment. That's it's measurable. Yet that is a far cry from being the key factor to global climate change. These self same Global Warmers keep saying that man's the main culprit. Yet we have evidence that the planet is emitting tons of methane, volcanic eruptions have & will make huge changes to the local climates & sometime globally for years. Still the intestinal fortitude that man's role is more than minor, unless he unleashes a Nuke attach, is silly at best. There is no proof that man's additions to an ever changing climate will stop the perceived global calamities prognosticated by the fear mongers to gain a politically motivate agenda.
NickSeptember 8, 2014 3:05 pm
no such thing as "scientific proof", but only those who understand what science is all about seem to know that plenty of evidence shows carbon dioxide as the primary culprit in the global warming we are presently experiencing; and the statistical evidence is quite plain to anyone who is versed in statistics
RickASeptember 8, 2014 3:05 pm
John Bruno is Professor, Dept of Biology, University of NorthCarolina at Chapel Hill So now biologists are "climate scientists"?
GoldenBoysSeptember 8, 2014 2:58 pm
Only 3% of scientists are skeptical about Global Warming/Climate Change? That's funny because we need only use the data coming from many of the organizations being paid to prove Climate Change...to disprove it. NASA found that in 2012, Arctic sea ice was down to 3.9 Million Sq Kilometers. Today, NASA's own data shows Arctic Sea Ice is back to 5.4 Million Sq Kilometers...a growth of 38%! Thank you NASA!
JakeSeptember 8, 2014 2:56 pm
The Ice Age has been over for a long time. Exactly what carbon dioxide reduction do we need to stabilize the polar ice caps? I hear all the arguments about "we have to make reductions" but I see NO QUANTIFIED NUMBERS about what reduction is necessary. Are we talking about more than all the CO2 produced by the human race? Are we talking about some new silicon-enhanced stone age? Or are we really talking about wholesale re-engineering the planet's weather? Because in all honesty that's the only way to reverse what's already been done.
garySeptember 8, 2014 2:45 pm
its god's job to set the temp, not people. the scientists are wrong, first its warming, then when the temps fall for 19 years, its global warming, too? how rediculas. stop lying to us. its the sun that causes global warming so lets nuke the sun.congress just needs to follow the same laws that they make for us.(inside stock traders) #1the sun is the heater. lets bomb the sun.#2 its god's job to regulate our temperture. #4more heat=more evaporation=no rise in water level. #5 its not carbon thats causing change. CO2 is required for life to exist on earth. you all need to wake up. no carbon=no oxygen + no plants + no food. i am not afraid of warming however, an ice age would bad. still not afraid. jesus christ will repair all the human damage of earth and he is coming full speed.
jaybar2September 8, 2014 2:41 pm
I'm mostly seeing pictures of the arctic from two to three years ago. Not the current pictures where the arctic has 43% more ice cover than a few years ago. It reminds me of the pictures of a cute Travon Martin when he was 12 and a cute pudgy Michael Brown of a few years ago. The media is so dishonest. It just never ends.
Jon PSeptember 8, 2014 2:40 pm
Better yet, how about John Bruno do his research without grant money.
Pierre LaPlanteSeptember 8, 2014 2:08 pm
How and Why did the Atlantic and Pacific get so cold? The cold oceans insure a another bitterly cold winter and another mild hurricane season next year.
DahunSeptember 8, 2014 2:06 pm
Any comments other than sycophantic support for climate change are being censored.
Barry MooreSeptember 8, 2014 2:06 pm
Complete utter rubbish there is absolutely zero scientific proof connecting CO2 with global temperatures in addition there is no statistical evidence. These carbon tax fanatics are getting really desperate.
John L.September 8, 2014 2:05 pm
Let us agree that the climate always changes. Let us agree that "scientists" have been caught fudging temps numerous times. Let us agree that there are powerful corporate interests vying for green energy grants, carbon credits etc... Let us agree that a global carbon tax will not solve any perceived climate problems. Let us agree that AGW is a farce and will be catagorised as quackery in the future.
DahunSeptember 8, 2014 1:55 pm
Cook’s data Analysis of Cook’s work has been severely hampered by his procrastination and ultimate refusal to release all of the data associated with the study. Cook had arranged for his team to rate each paper more than once to provide some reassurance that different people were approaching the task in the same way. The economist Richard Tol, who wanted to test the paper’s findings, asked Cook for the ratings given by individual researchers for each paper, as well as information about when the rating was made, so that he could assess how many papers each rater was getting through and how quickly. Tol was told, implausibly, that he could not have this information immediately since it was necessary to anonymise the data to protect the identities of the raters and the scientists who had responded to the subsequent survey. It was also said that timestamps were not collected as this information would have been irrelevant. However, some weeks after Tol had been rebuffed, blogger Brandon Shollenberger discovered Cook’s data on an unsecuredwebsite operated by the University ofQueensland. When the university became aware that the data were out in the open, one of its legal officers wrote to Shollenberger threatening legal action if the data were disseminated or, extraordinarily, if the existence of this threat was revealed. When Shollenberger publicised the threats anyway, the university responded with a press release which claimed that they had only withheld information that would allow participants to be identified, in accordance with confidentiality agreements they had entered into with third parties. They had done this, they said, in accordance with the ethical clearance for the research project. http://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2014/09/Warming-consensus-and-it-critics.pdf Cook's 97% 'consensus' is a fraud.
PeteSeptember 8, 2014 1:45 pm
The 97% figure is flawed on so many levels that it would take too long to go into it. I will this - I agree with the 97%. The world is getting warmer and man is responsible for climate change. That is what the poll asked. However, the poll did not ask how much man has contributed to client change and how much is due to natural forces. Many scientists believe that man has caused climate change but most of it is due to other influences like the sun. Also, your article is misleading in that you make it appear that 97% of the scientists believe that warming is a bad thing. That was never part of the poll . Many scientists believe that a warmer world would be prosperous. Growing seasons would increase which would increase the food supply is just one example.
Lawrence13September 8, 2014 1:30 pm
Cartoons just about sums this lot up, a fantasy cartoon world the just doesn't match reality
GuyBBSeptember 8, 2014 1:24 pm
Lies, damned lies, and liberals. Really? There is no question? Then, they are idiots. Overpaid political consultants, to a liberal cause with no value, no validity, and no veracity. Let's see, where do I start. OK, how about, they do not have climate models, as they have claimed. What they have, is an oversimplified model of climate temperature sensitivity to atmospheric CO2 concentration. Built into those models, is the logical fallacy, begging the question. Wherein they have assumed that not only is CO2 the dominant driver of global temperature, but that it is the only significant driver. Maybe that is why no matter how many factors, modifiers, or adjustments they make, the "climate models" have failed to predict anything. Further, even the contention that the scientific community is in agreement, is yet another case of creative accounting. Much like any statistic, you have to be very careful when establishing the boundaries. Statistics can be used to prove anything, yet, in reality they prove nothing. For, statistics are an analysis tool, not the pure mathematics of physics that actually can model simple physical systems. In this case, the statistics they quote are a carefully crafted lie. We keep seeing that 95% of the scientific papers that have been written agree with climate change. However, what they don't say, is that most of those papers have no bearing on the central issue, "Is the world getting warmer, and is man made CO2 the primary cause." Most of the papers they counted, simply assumed that temperatures would rise, then went into detail as to how devastating such a change would be.
renault314September 8, 2014 1:19 pm
"only 3% of the world’s scientists are skeptical about global warming tells you everything you need to know" That's not everything you need to know. He leaves out the fact that the only people sent the survey where they get these numbers from were scientists considered to be reliable because they had already published papers that supported the notion of human caused global warming. If Bruno doesn't know or doesn't care that this is not very scientific, then hes not worth listening to.
Anti -GoreSeptember 8, 2014 1:17 pm
It makes me laugh how the GoreBull Warming Hoaxers keep talking about this so-called 97% consensus. Don't they ever get tired of quoting that number that some idiot pulled out of his ass? Who are they trying to convince? Us common sense people that know the truth or themselves > lefty loony green religion zealots?
Eyes Wide OpenSeptember 8, 2014 1:05 pm
Why doesn't John Bruno put some real skin in the game. Show us how he can go 97 days without using fossil fuel derived energy.
SayWhatSeptember 8, 2014 1:01 pm
yawn...even NOAA admits the warming has stopped http://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-earth%E2%80%99s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade Prepare for cooling, cold kills. (I wonder if this will be censored?)
3GSimpletonSeptember 8, 2014 12:56 pm
"Civil society must call out India and China on climate summit snub" No. India and China should be congratulated for putting the health and welfare of their people, and indirectly by extension the health and welfare of all people in the developing world, ahead of the nonsensical political charade that is the so-called "global warming" movement. Good for them. It is a good step forward. Stop the Green Genocide!!!
Peter WadeSeptember 8, 2014 12:32 pm
Hilariously china may not be making any deals and others may conclude they don't have to convert to clean energy . Suckers, China will have an economy powered on very cheap energy while most others are still beholden to the fossil lobby's expensive poisons
geronimoSeptember 8, 2014 11:57 am
"Moreover, we all agree that this is a bad thing for people and other critters – whales, plants, even insects – that inhabit the earth. " You agree, but do you have any evidence? Let me tell you a story about a man named Malthus, who decided that as the population grew geometrically and the food grew arithmetically he could prove that population would outstrip the food supply by the early 20th century. He was wrong. Do you know why he was wrong? Because he failed to understand that he was dealing with a chaotic system, not population, not food supply, but human ingenuity. Yet here we have a bunch of people who regard themselves as the smartest people on the planet, with this miserable failure as evidence, tell us they are so clever they can foretell the future because they're "scientists", and it will be uniformally bad. You'r e not practising science if you believe you can predict the future.
Richerd HeatherlySeptember 8, 2014 9:55 am
We also need to remember that the pseudo-scientific goose chases associated with stories of man-made global-warming hurt legitimate science.
Hal BurtonSeptember 8, 2014 9:16 am
Those who preach from the altar of man-made global-warming purposefully confuse natural climate change with man-made global warming.
Robin_GuenierSeptember 8, 2014 8:33 am
Yet less than a year ago (November 2013) Greenpeace was demanding that, in Paris, "Governments must deliver: A Protocol under which all countries take on binding emissions reduction targets: To guide these commitments, the Protocol should re-affirm the need to keep warming below 1.5/2°C."** This total change of heart is not very impressive. ** http://www.greenpeace.org/international/Global/international/briefings/climate/COP19/Greenpeace-Road-to-Paris.pdf
Albert AhoSeptember 8, 2014 8:00 am
Man-made global warming cannot be proved. It's an ever-shifting mirage of illusions conjured up to exploit the sympathies of the gullible.
Swo FordSeptember 8, 2014 7:17 am
The decision to invade Iraq, in 2003, is quite arguably the worst decision in US history.
Jed EckertSeptember 8, 2014 7:04 am
One has to wonder if there is anyone in the world who takes Obama seriously at all.
Toni WalshSeptember 8, 2014 6:26 am
According to recent scientific research, the West Antarctica Ice Sheet (WAIS) is actually thickening.
Bilbo BagginsSeptember 8, 2014 6:21 am
There is no evidence that the natural causes of climate change, such as solar activity, are somehow being overwhelmed by mankind.
Bar AbbasSeptember 7, 2014 2:05 pm
There's been no statistically significant warming in about 17 years.
Toni WalshSeptember 7, 2014 10:38 am
In related news, a soothsayer named Daniel P. Schrag has recently conjured up the dramatic narrative that 13-foot storm surges will be normal on the Eastern seaboard by 2050.
Gordon GekkoSeptember 7, 2014 10:25 am
The cult of man-made global-warming is one of the main sects in the counter-Christian religion that is today's liberalism.
Jack ReacherSeptember 7, 2014 8:03 am
Those preaching man-made global warming claim that the science is incontrovertible. In reality, nothing in science is incontrovertible.
Jon JohnstonSeptember 6, 2014 9:07 pm
We're only beginning to understand the impacts on Earth's climate resulting from the Sun's ever-changing magnetic field.
CandleInTheDarkSeptember 6, 2014 1:34 pm
Since our idiot PM isn't doing anything about AGW (and is in fact actually being obstructionist), SOMEONE needs to step up to the plate. Good job Quebec and Ontario!
Steve RogersSeptember 6, 2014 10:27 am
Folks: The story of man-made global warming is a story of science fiction conjured up to advance a counter-Western political ideology.
Melissa NewtonSeptember 6, 2014 6:21 am
Nothing is incontrovertible in a complex scientific field like atmospheric science and climate.
Wizz KeySeptember 6, 2014 6:15 am
Man-made global-warming is a myth.
Joker DavisSeptember 6, 2014 5:52 am
When it comes to climate science, it's clearly not settled.
Jack RossSeptember 6, 2014 5:30 am
We don't have to live with the intentions of ice-age deniers, we have to live with the consequences.
mistyeyrieSeptember 6, 2014 3:49 am
Which most of the world are you talking about ? They have sold the world a non-existent Carbon bogey. So why did Greenpeace shut down a hydro project in Chile ? It is clean and green and all that. The water is free, maintenance only, would have halved your OIL bill. Cut that much Carbon. But no, the Earth will Climate Change...Boooo...
shiva iyerSeptember 6, 2014 3:14 am
Crap news. India and China would like to see how the US and West are ready provide technology they developed after polluting plant earth for 200 years. West is looking for free ride in the name of developing countries
RealityCrashesInSeptember 5, 2014 8:14 pm
Poor Al Gore - he will have to live on the few hundreds of $Millions he already has if the carbon credit trading system does not provide him with more wealth. Can Tipper Gore get used to living on a constrained budget?
tmalthus2010September 5, 2014 5:00 pm
So it's going to be ice free by 2050 now? After everybody responsible for the prediction is no longer around to be held accountable? How convenient. I guess they learned when their ice free by 2013 prediction blew up in their face.
Spetzer86September 5, 2014 4:32 pm
Took all the way to the end before the subject of money came into the story. The 18yr pause was never mentioned.
mikeandleSeptember 5, 2014 3:56 pm
The story of man-made global warming is a story of science fiction conjured up to scare the gullible and the ignorant.
Charlie DaltonSeptember 5, 2014 2:58 pm
Man-made global-warming cannot be proved.It's a story of science fiction. An ever-shifting mirage of illusions conjured up to exploit the sympathies of the gullible and the ignorant.
TrishAppsSeptember 5, 2014 1:23 pm
So Sage, what's a statistically significant rate of melting then? What melt percentage does it have to be for us to worry about it?
MervynSeptember 5, 2014 1:11 pm
Governments dabbling in the obscenely costly green agenda to fight climate change, at the risk of a backlash from citizens, have now got cold feet. If they sign the extension, voters will toss them out... just like what happened in Australia.
Cade YaegerSeptember 5, 2014 12:18 pm
The story of man-made global warming is a story of science fiction put forth to advance a primitive, collectivist political narrative.
erichjSeptember 5, 2014 9:08 am
Basically we have been Geo-engineering for 10,000 years, we just call it Agriculture. Putting all that soil carbon back into soils should be called; Reverse-Geo-Engineering. Biochar systems have so many market applications yet to be cultivated; "Carbon Fodder" feeds for Livestock in the EU, Plant Chemical Communications, (plant signaling), even Char building materials such as Biochar-Plasters which block Cellphone signals, the potential markets are massive. CoolPlanet's investors & CEOs project (assert) that they will be the first Trillion Dollar Company, based on their $1.50/Gal. cost to produce Bio-Gasoline. Biochar the by product. For a complete review of the current science & industry applications of Biochar please see my 2014 Soil Science Society of America Biochar presentation. How thermal conversion technologies can integrate and optimize the recycling of valuable nutrients while providing energy and building soil carbon, I believe it brings together both sides of climate beliefs. A reconciling of both Gods' and mans' controlling hands. Agricultural Geo - Engineering; Past, Present & Future Across scientific disciplines carbons are finding new utility to solve our most vexing problems 2014 SSSA Presentation; Agricultural Geo-Engineering; Past, Present & Future. https://www.soils.org/files/am/ecosystems/kinght.pdf
Jacob HughesSeptember 4, 2014 9:02 pm
The Earth has not warmed any in 19 years. I feel sorry for the nuts who still believe in the man-made global warming scam.
Mike_HohmannSeptember 4, 2014 5:42 pm
Why should anyone worry about CO? “Increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is not even a little bit bad. It is, in fact, wholly beneficial. The more carbon dioxide we can put into the atmosphere, the better life on Earth will be for human beings and all other living things.” [David Archibald in TWILIGHT OF ABUNDANCE [Regnery Publishing, Washington DC, 2014] followed by: “Global warming did serve a couple of useful purposes. The issue has been a litmus test for our political class. Any politician who has stated a belief in global warming is either a cynical opportunist or an easily deluded fool. In neither case should that politician ever be taken seriously again. No excuses can be accepted." Not to forget a free press. To leave no doubt, in an interview published in the Neue Zürcher Zeitung on 14 November 2010, Ottmar Edenhofer, co-chair of IPCC Working Group III, said “The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War…. one must say clearly that de facto we redistribute the world's wealth by climate policy…. One has to rid oneself of the illusion that international climate politics have anything to do with environmental concerns.” So IMHO, that whole AGW palaver simply amounts to the biggest political and intellectual fraud one can think of. http://cleanenergypundit.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/west-is-facing-new-severe-recession.html
ParmaJohnSeptember 4, 2014 4:25 pm
Kyoto is the final experiment proving once and for all the futility of the global climate circus. It "may have limited value in terms of slashing global emissions"? You win today's prize for understatement. Meanwhile, Mr. Ortega and the other "developing countries" are still waiting for their slice of the $100bn+ pie. That threat's got me trembling: "We might not give you all your next suicidal treaty if you don't fork over the big bucks now!"
Jed EckertSeptember 4, 2014 2:15 pm
According to recent scientific research, the West Antarctica Ice Sheet (WAIS) is actually thickening.
Gunnar JensenSeptember 4, 2014 12:10 pm
If there's a single man-made global-warming prophecy that the climate fortune-tellers have gotten correct, no one seems to know what it is.
Professor BrandSeptember 4, 2014 11:20 am
It is patently unjust for the central government to be wasting over $1 million a day on the baby murder factory known as Planned Parenthood.
James CrockettSeptember 4, 2014 10:36 am
Despite man-made global-warming fortune-tellers conjuring up fears of diminishing snow-pack and more forest fires, glaciers are advancing and forest fires declining.
Will HuntingSeptember 4, 2014 8:34 am
Always keep in mind that the story of man-made global-warming is a story of science fiction conjured up to advance a counter-Western political ideology.
David RiceSeptember 4, 2014 12:32 am
Excellent news: thank you. Damn shame Obama was been forced to bypass Congress to do the same.
Rich BalanceSeptember 3, 2014 5:32 pm
The UN's 2050 forecasts are absolute nonsense. They are based on climate models that have already been falsified (Fyfe et al). Why do you continue to post these anti-science articles that deny peer reviewed research?
EWorrallSeptember 3, 2014 2:37 pm
Goodness gracious, at this rate of melting, in 200,000 years all the Antarctic ice will be GONE. We must start preparing for that day now.
Alex RandallSeptember 3, 2014 1:24 pm
But the neoliberal "freedom from government interference" is a sham. The companies that yell about it enjoy huge public subsidies.
Melissa NewtonSeptember 3, 2014 5:22 am
Fact: Today's central Pacific cyclone activity is near the lowest levels of the past 5,000 years.
Maria HeideSeptember 2, 2014 5:39 pm
Dearest Bruce Callow, I would love to hear what Stephania Romano is saying, as I think regional environment improvements are important in our world of complex settings. To know what productive use each environment is best for, and how to care for each, takes a lot of wisdom & knowledge. The need for wholesome foods in place of drug related plants, and how to cause the soil to produce these is a challenge for our human beings to keep up. This is a whole lot easier than the destruction many of our people create. When we all collaborate for this cause, whole some foods are enormously tasty, such as cinnamon, honey, cane sugar, maple syrup etc., and they do us no harm :). I like to speak my thoughts on very important things in life :), I am so excited!!! I knew you were the smartest man on this blessed earth :):):). Yours Truly, Maria Heide :):):)
Travis O'BicklesSeptember 2, 2014 2:26 pm
I know but thats on your planet, the flat one. The EU is on the planet Earth, the round one.
Steve RogersSeptember 2, 2014 1:08 pm
Unlike the science-fiction story of man-made global warming, legitimate science recognizes the serious limitations of the scientific method.
Jack HortonSeptember 2, 2014 12:58 pm
Like its related ideology of liberalism, the cult of man-made global-warming is fundamentally unserious.
Climate HomeSeptember 2, 2014 9:32 am
Thanks Tom - noted ed
Wizz KeySeptember 2, 2014 9:31 am
It's also important to keep in mind that neo-cons like John Bolton, Bill Kristol, Sean Hannity, Richard Perle, and John McCain have zero credibility on foreign policy issues.
Nick BradshawSeptember 2, 2014 7:58 am
We should also keep in mind that the story of man-made global-warming is a conjured narrative of fortune tellers and sooth-sayers.
CurtisSeptember 2, 2014 7:24 am
This is a good summary of some of the most serious health consequences. A major step towards addressing these diverse and multiple effects could be taken If WHO adopted a rights-based approach to health. WHO still does not take a rights-based approach and its World Health Assembly has refused for almost 70 years to adopt a resolution on the right to health, demanding that WHO take a rights-based approach. This is important because a rights-based approach empowers both governments and individuals to act and to cooperate in a way that protects it's people. Let hope this small but important step will be taken soon. The January 2015 Executive Board would be an excellent opportunity as it will be chaired by the Maldives...one of the States most impacted by climate change.
Boyd ReddingSeptember 2, 2014 7:00 am
We don't have to live with the intentions of ice-age deniers, we have to live with the consequences.
James CrockettSeptember 2, 2014 5:45 am
I think that this past winter has pretty much busted the myth of man-made global-warming.
Robert MorrisSeptember 2, 2014 1:25 am
Man-made global warming cannot be proved. It's an ever-shifting mirage of illusions conjured up to exploit the sympathies of the gullible.
Captain HadleySeptember 1, 2014 11:45 pm
Despite man-made global-warming fortune-tellers conjuring up fears of diminishing snow-pack and more forest fires, glaciers are advancing and forest fires declining.
jdmethSeptember 1, 2014 11:25 pm
That last sentence is true. In North Korea the public is behind Kim Jong-un. Most people are poor. Most people think America is a bad country. Most people still want to be an American. Look at history without hydocarbon fuels. There are no substitutes. Life will go on, if you call that life, but not for 90% of today's population.
WolfemanSeptember 1, 2014 9:54 pm
Perhaps the greatest challenge facing mankind is that of distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda, and science from fiction.
ManoftheRepublicSeptember 1, 2014 9:53 pm
I can understand the government mandating to the people in socialist and communist counties,,,. I do not understand why AMERICANS put up that kind of TYRANNY...
nonameSeptember 1, 2014 7:41 pm
Carbon markets are a scam. Europe has a carbon market - it didn't do ANYTHING to cut carbon emissions. Australia is currently dismantling their market.
No Climate Scam!September 1, 2014 7:39 pm
The sea level is rising at a SLOWER rate now than it was rising 100 years ago, so the continental ice sheets are most certainly not melting at an "unprecedented" rate. The sea level is now rising at 7 inches per century as measured extremely accurately by satellites. Sheesh, everyone now knows that the climate scammers lied when they said Manhattan and Florida would soon be under water - when are these scammers going to give it up?
Spence PateSeptember 1, 2014 7:00 pm
"but is growing in volume in East Antarctica." In fact the area growing in East Antarctica is MUCH larger than the tiny area melting on the West Peninsula. Also, the word "unprecedented" is unwarranted. WE've only been able to monitor ice in Antarctic for a very short time.
Joseph KoolSeptember 1, 2014 6:58 pm
Warmists want to degrade our quality of life based on computer models that are all wrong.
Meredith QuillSeptember 1, 2014 5:09 pm
It took me awhile to recognize that Obama is the problem. But, now I see it.
Sage ValsSeptember 1, 2014 3:31 pm
So, taking Antarctic melt figures of 125 cubic kilometres as above, and total Antarctic ice sheet volume of about 25.4 million cubic kilometres, this gives an annual melt rate of 0.0005%. This is tiny, well within natural variation, and possibly within margins of error for this kind of work. The quoted result for Greenland is perhaps a little more statistically significant at 0.01%, but is still tiny enough to be questionable. In either case, three years of data cannot reasonably establish a long term trend. This report is pure rubbish. If it represents the actual research, then the scientists conclusions are unsupported and it should not have been published in this form.
Jaget santosSeptember 1, 2014 3:27 pm
Difficulties with links denier? Or are you also a link denier?
Sgt. O'NeilAugust 31, 2014 11:20 pm
In some related climate news, a 67% Increase In Arctic Ice during 2013: http://bit.ly/1t2L2Gu
smaritcusAugust 31, 2014 7:47 pm
Carbon Taxes, even if a good idea, just don't sit well with the rich down to the poor people. The word Tax just is not a way to win over voters. outlaw profits on unneeded waste instead, allow same profit $'s to be placed on present consumption. Only allow for recapitalization of costs for losses. slowly remove % of unneeded waste allowed to be capitalized as efficiency measures and efficiency equipment-technology can be reasonably installed in a given time frame. laggards loose right to charge for wastage if they drag their feet. Those proactive and ahead of the impending lowering of wastage limits. get keep extra profits, until they are removed. Another feed-forward policy would be to allow a tax waiver on profits IFF it is reinvested in more efficiency measures. Helping the less capitalized utilities that are having trouble with keeping up with the wastage removal limits, would be an example of a possible tax waiver, that would accelerate removing unnecessary GHG emissions in a pain free way
guestAugust 31, 2014 7:36 pm
Don't go on vacation in Australia, don't by Australian products, until they become part of the solution and not the problem of global extreme weather. Its a world economy, and its interconnected, with $ and with a common atmosphere. Its not that hard a concept to grasp.
Ben VorlichAugust 31, 2014 6:22 pm
Christina Ora from Solomon Islands has already addressed climate negotiators in 2009. She told them: “I was born in 1992. You have been negotiating all my life (on climate change). Stop negotiating away our future.” For over 17 years of this women's life there has been no global, the climate has been stable and quiet, fewer hurricanes, fewer tornadoes, more Antarctic sea ice, the Arctic hasn't been ice free, Britain still has a Northern latitudes maritime climate, the sub-Sahara is greening. Bangladesh is still there, as are the Maldives, The Solomons and Tuvalu. Why do you think people aren't coninced?
Amercan111August 31, 2014 1:36 am
???? And of course, China, India and many other nations can do as they please? Makes ZERO sense. Then again, everything he does makes zero sense. Must be golf-of-the-brain syndrome.
LouiseStoningtonAugust 30, 2014 11:21 pm
When most of the world is powered with solar and other low carbon sources we will look back on this time as crazy. What were we thinking, waiting for so long and letting greenhouse gas emissions overheat our world, burning the forests, flooding the seacoasts, killing the chain of life in the oceans and displacing millions, maybe billions of people. Thank you to Chile. The source of most of the accumulated excessive warming gases in the air is the US. It is time for us to change the laws that have favored oil, coal and natural gas for a century and given them a hammerlock on the energy industry. We need laws that charge fossil fuels for their costs instead of dumping them on taxpayers. We need to push back against fossil fuel propaganda, to take pity on the employees of that industry, and help them do the right thing - create a clean energy economy. If you skipped science classes - check NOAA, NASA, World Bank, National Academy of Sciences on whether climate change is real, is caused by people and is deadly serious. If you don't know what to do, check out Renewable Energy World, or Triple Pundit or Citizens Climate Lobby.
geoff ChambersAugust 30, 2014 4:19 pm
The headline claim about a 97% consensus among climate scientists is based on three studies. Doran and Zimmerman sent out ten thousand questionnaires and based their 97% figure on just 76 replies. The Cook and Anderegg studies didn’t even get 76 replies because they didn’t ask any questions of anybody. They just did an estimate of scientists’ opinions based on abstracts of articles selected via a Google word search. Cook even announced before doing his study that he was looking for a 97% result. This is not science.
Tom MoranAugust 30, 2014 3:28 pm
Crop yields are at an all time high. Blaming global warming for drought is unwise based on both IPCC SREX and of course the mountains of data showing droughts lessening over the last 60 years. Burning food for fuel has much to do with not being able to feed the world. CO2 alone is making the world greener and more productive.
Tom MoranAugust 30, 2014 3:15 pm
Malaria deaths are due to climate change? No, that would be due to not using DDT to exterminate the mosquito. Thank you Rachel Carson.
Evelyn Rodriguez-CacatianAugust 30, 2014 5:08 am
Climate change is already taking its toll. The global community has to act the earliest and soonest time possible. The most appropriate, immediate, effective, massive and encompassing mitigation lies in our very own hands, that is, through the application of basic Economic concepts for, THE ROOT CAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE is ECONOMICS IN NATURE and that is "MAN'S DESIRE TO SATISFY HIS UNLIMITED AND EVER CHANGING W A N T S". In connection with this, I have written two books titled: "Applications of Basic Economic Concepts to Mitigate Climate Change" and "Basic Economics: The Lighthouse for Climate Change Mitigation" a pamphlet titled: Climate Change! What We Need to Know and a flyer titled: Climate Change: Root Cause, Consequences that Lead to It and Mitigation. These are already available for sale.
Spetzer86August 29, 2014 11:31 pm
I suppose they'll all want to use fossil fuels to get there.
windy2August 29, 2014 2:54 pm
This should be no surprise to anyone. The war on nuclear energy has doomed the only solution that advanced societies could accept. Thought leaders like James Hansen and the Breakthrough Institute have made cogent arguments for nuclear development but they were met with ideology, ignorance and inflexibility. China has once again begun to increase coal plant construction too so the dice are cast and now the only solution must be carbon capture.
Nana BaakanAugust 29, 2014 2:45 pm
Obviously, climate change is an unavoidable aspect of being a part of an ever changing, ever expanding Universe. While I do agree that human behavior can hasten or retard its progress, it will happen. It happened in ancient times, it is happening in modern times. Modern humans tend to think that their technology and science can arrest the inevitable. Ironically, if the science to modify the weather was used to prevent droughts, devastating storms, and other harmful effects on the planet and its inhabitants there may be some salvation, but we know that the concern is for those who are most prosperous. The concern that they may suffer and be without the creature comforts of the Modern Life style. The tentacles of this debate are far reaching. History will show how modern man handled it as history is showing how our ancient ancestors handled it. There will be debate over what was the best procedure, but there will be no debate over the inevitability that the climate will change as it changes on all planets in our solar system and beyond. IMHO
3GSimpletonAugust 29, 2014 1:48 pm
"Millions of people each year are affected by extreme weather events such as heat and cold waves, tropical cyclones, floods, and droughts. These can damage or destroy health facilities and water and sanitation infrastructure. Even more are impacted by under-nutrition resulting from food insecurity, respiratory diseases from poor air quality, water-borne and vector-borne diseases. Climate change is intensifying – and complicating – these relationships." No, it is not. There are some indications that climate CYCLES are having an impact on some of these dimensions, but that is simply a function of the natural variability of our planet's climate. The sad and real fact is that the conditions stated in the second paragraph quoted are problems which can be better addressed through the development of energy supplies, as all these issues benefit from, and suffer without, adequate energy. Agricultural production benefits greatly from the deployment of energy sources, both in terms of working the land, but also to deliver irrigation. There is a reason why agriculture in the developed world is highly productive, and that is because energy supplies allow for mechanization and irrigation. Poor air quality is endemic in underdeveloped places, simply because people resort to open burning of carbon based fuels (plants, wood, dung...) in order to have energy supply. Unless these basic energy needs (cooking, light, warmth...) are satisfied by other means, open burning will continue, resulting in excess mortality and respiratory disease which could be avoided. Climate "change" has absolutely nothing to do with it. And insofar as water- and vector- borne diseases, this too is a matter of developing energy supplies, standards of living and public services, which is not something that can be done in the absence of a reliable, available and reasonably priced energy supply. The reason why we don't have the same issues in the developed world is because we have raised our standards of living to the point where we mitigate against such issues. This is only possible because we have developed access to energy supplies. "The WHO-WMO joint office is a historic step toward closer collaboration." The WHO-WMO joint office is a sad joke being perpetrated on the poor living in squalor due to such nonsensical reasoning that "climate change" is the most important thing. Go ask them what they think is more important. In particular, go ask a mother who lost her child to perfectly preventable causes. STOP THE GREEN GENOCIDE!!! Speak out against the Climate Change Delusion, and speak up for the poor of this world.
BillhookAugust 29, 2014 1:26 pm
"No matter what name govt scientists ultimately give climate manipulation, it's a bad idea." If you can't do better than promoting a conspiracy theory - which lacks any peer-reviewed documentation in scientific journals - as evidence of why all modes of climate stabilization are "a bad idea", you're wasting your time. Regards, Billhook
windshipAugust 28, 2014 11:15 pm
Ironically, Japan is lamenting low birth rates and an ageing population now. You'd think they would rejoice at finally getting back toward sustainable numbers.
BillhookAugust 28, 2014 9:22 pm
Professor Hulme is right to decry the term 'geoengineering' not only for its ambivalence but also for its hubristic overtones, which are plainly counterproductive in public discussion. Resolving that ambivalence in my view requires a term that defines the interest as being in the recovery of a naturally 'stable' climate while ending anthro-GHG outputs, as opposed to seeking the means to manage climate in perpetuity, (the latter being deliberately inequitable in inevitably benefitting some nations at the expense of others). To this end the most explicit term appears to be: "Climate Stabilization" [CS]. While this would emphasize the role of the 'Carbon Recovery' (CDR) mode of action for cleansing the atmosphere of its anthro-CO2 burden, it does not exclude the complementary mode of 'Albedo Restoration' (SRM), should it be recognized that without it either the major interactive positive feedbacks could overtake advances made under the best practicable rates of an Emissions Control regime plus a Carbon Recovery program, or that during their operation intensifying climate volatility could threaten dangerous global crop failures. Personally I'd suggest that the starting point of the practical discussion of Climate Stabilization lies in the agreement that the requisite UN agency for the supervision of research and possible accreditation of both modes' techniques - (with any deployment being by the collective decision of the UN members states) - should become operational with the ratification of a global Emissions Control treaty. If there is a better means of limiting the moral hazard issue I should be very interested to see it, as merely obstructing CS research poses the dire moral peril of ignoring the climatic threat to global food security, followed, very probably after widespread famine, by the emergency deployment of the cheap, ready and highly deficient Stratospheric Sulphate Aerosols option. Regards, Billhook
Robin_GuenierAugust 28, 2014 5:24 pm
David: your "Very close to 100% consensus among the world's scientists" is seriously misleading. For several reasons: 1. Science is not done by consensus - i.e. by counting heads. Here’s a comment by Thomas Huxley (‘Darwin’ Bulldog’): ‘In science, as in art, and, as I believe, in every other sphere of human activity, there may be wisdom in a multitude of counsellors, but it is only in one or two of them.’ (Collected essays (1898), 335 ) 2. In any case, there are many examples of cases where the scientists agreed and the scientists were wrong. You'll find some here: http://ipccreport.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/the-consensus-was-wrong/#comments 3. Moreover, we don't know what the relevant (see below) scientists think about the key issues. That could only be determined by carrying out a properly conducted and correctly implemented worldwide opinion survey - in particular, it would have to be anonymous and address a balanced, representative sample of the relatively small number of scientists whose specialty was detection and (especially) attribution. That has not been done. And it would not be easy. For further detail, see my submission to the recent UK Energy and Climate Change Select Committee's inquiry re the IPCC's 5th Assessment: http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/WrittenEvidence.svc/EvidenceHtml/4191 (Note: see in particular paragraph 1.3 about the term "climate scientist".)
LauraAugust 28, 2014 4:21 pm
No matter what name govt scientists ultimately give climate manipulation, it's a bad idea. For years ex EPA Rosa Peterson has been warning the public that GeoEngineering is already being done by private agencies and that it has caused droughts, tree death, and disease. Watch: http://youtu.be/7Yg8FBnGXIk
Sabe_MoyaAugust 28, 2014 3:21 pm
Meanwhile, the Chilean government rejects low-polluting and highly sustainable hydro power in its Aysén region, in favour of continuing to burn wood, even subsidising wood burning, providing its regional capital with the highest level of air pollution in the entire country. And the climate change that it pretends to be afraid of would result in turning its Atacama desert into a highly productive agricultural area. Chile: high on populist emotion and trendy hand-waving, low on science and pragmatism.
RedRoseAndyAugust 28, 2014 2:35 pm
You can see the world's first self-financing near-zero CO2 plan at: http://www.kadir-buxton.com/page2.htm
3GSimpletonAugust 28, 2014 2:04 pm
"Fast-forward to contemporary Australia and you find a similar chorus of criticism, rejection..." Not just in contemporary Australia, but throughout various diverse lands, peoples and cultures. And for a very simple reason. It can clearly be seen that the "alarmists" have overplayed their hand, and have relied on dodgy methods to achieve their ends. The public knows how to spot paranoid maniacs when they see them. They know when they are being fed propaganda. The "wisdom of crowds" is a concept the genocidal green maniacs would do well to understand.
ASHISH SHRIVASTAVAAugust 28, 2014 11:35 am
Addressed genun.unausa.org/ashishshrivastava for limit carbon emission & global vaccination priority
CodewizardAugust 28, 2014 9:39 am
Just more proof that “climate change” is ANOTHER vehicle to institute Socialism to make a bunch of losers feel good about themselves. I’m still waiting to have to build my igloo that I was told, by the same people that are no touting “global warming” err “climate change,” that I would be needing in the early 2000s.
Climate HomeAugust 28, 2014 9:03 am
Actually, Daniel33333333, there are three studies listed, with links. Click on the blue writing.
GUNNERAugust 28, 2014 12:22 am
Viva il Papa do not listen to these fools they have an agenda that is against all you as head of the church stand for. These are communists who have no belief in the lord and all they want is to control destroy belief in our lord so please do not listen to these bestia.
Daniel33333333August 27, 2014 10:45 pm
Studies say....yet they don't list the studies....I know the 97% is bunk the Climate alarmists know its bunk, yet they keep using it because the sheeple can't think for themselves
David RiceAugust 27, 2014 10:03 pm
Very close to 100% consensus among the world's scientists in fact. Last year Cook et al. released a paper in which they analysed the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article What they did in that study was examine 11,944 abstracts from 1991 to 2011 that included the words “global climate change” or “global warming” in their abstract. What they found after analysing these abstracts is that among those that expressed a position on global warming, 97% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. They also contacted 8,547 authors to ask if they could rate their own papers and received 1,200 responses. The results for this again found that 97% of the selected papers stated that humans are causing global warming. For anyone aware about similar research this was not a surprising result as in 2004 Oreskes did a similar literature search – although it included ‘only’ 928 abstracts – which already found this scientific consensus. http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full A 2009 survey of Earth scientists found that among climate scientists actively publishing climate research, 97% agreed that humans were significantly raising global temperature. http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf A 2011 analysis of scientists’ public statements about climate change found that among those who had published peer-reviewed climate research, 97% accepted anthropogenic global warming. http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract When you [sic] take a look at how this consensus evolved from 1996 to 2009 you see a steady increase in the agreement among scientists (Bray 2010). http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1462901110000420 "Who counted them? Who measured? Where did that figure come from?" The answer: A 2009 survey of Earth scientists found that among climate scientists actively publishing climate research, 97% agreed that humans were significantly raising global temperature. http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf A 2011 analysis of scientists’ public statements about climate change found that among those who had published peer-reviewed climate research, 97% accepted human-induced warming. http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract The most recent one was a 2013 analysis that examined 11,944 abstracts and again found this 97% consensus. http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024 The sum total is that over 660 science organizations in 85 countries that agree that humans have caused and are causing dangerous climate change, without even one rejecting that conclusion.
GregoryCAugust 27, 2014 9:06 pm
Free? For whom? Maybe the top 0.01%. The rest of us have the freedom to be ignored, downtrodden and live in debt.
SLDIAugust 27, 2014 6:05 pm
"Lumping all 'geoengineering' techniques under one label risks making sensible options guilty by association." Agreed. Why not consider adding the triple-bottom-line word 'sustainable' ('sustainable geoengineering') to differentiate between the types of approaches being discussed? Sustainable Land Development Initiative... SLDI Project Goes Carbon Negative - http://www.triplepundit.com/2010/09/sldi-project-carbon-negative/ The Man Who Planted Trees: Lost Groves, Champion Trees & An Urgent Plan to Save the Planet - http://www.triplepundit.com/2012/07/man-planted-trees-lost-groves-champion-trees-urgent-plan-save-planet/
Robin_GuenierAugust 27, 2014 5:19 pm
Why should it matter that the UK public is ignorant of the (supposed - see below) climate science consensus? After all, science is not done by consensus - i.e. by counting heads. In any case, As Richard Tol has said, "there are plenty of examples in history where everyone agreed and everyone was wrong". For examples see this: https://ipccreport.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/the-consensus-was-wrong/#comments Moreover, as I argue here**, we don't even know what the relevant scientists (see 1.3 of my paper cited below) think about the key issues. That could only be determined by carrying out a properly conducted and correctly implemented worldwide opinion survey - in particular, it would have to be anonymous and address a balanced, representative sample of the relatively small number of scientists whose specialty was detection and (especially) attribution. It would not be easy. ** http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/WrittenEvidence.svc/EvidenceHtml/4191
bBrian R SmithAugust 27, 2014 8:59 am
I hadn't realized the "consensus gap" was as wide in the UK as here in the US. This is further confirmation not only of the depth of public ignorance of climate risks, but also of the obvious need to repair the gap... quickly and decisively! No offense intended to you personally Megan, but I have to say that it's no longer enough, IMO, for journalists to define the problem of public misunderstanding of climate science consensus without approaching what the solutions to the problem might be. The source you quote saying "it is for the scientific community to communicate a strong evidence-based message to the media and through them, the public" is exactly on target. Scientists are the missing voice. But we know this already. The unanswered, begging question is what to do about that and in a very short time frame. I suggest investigating the potential for scientists to collaborate strategically with their allies in civil society , business and government to inform the public on the facts and personal/social consequences of climate change. When does the moment come when the public determines political will for progress with climate policy? What is the path to get there? What kind of organizing is required? Are we going to have a strategically organized climate movement or are we going to leave it all to chance and a determined and better organized opposition? Tough, practical questions that need to be framed & pursued. I hope climate journalists will take them seriously. We can't keep ignoring the need for strategy and collaboration. We already know how serious the situation is.
Robert SchreibAugust 27, 2014 4:41 am
Dear Sirs, To fight global warming, have the United Nations create 'The Global 50/50 Lottery', the world's first honest global lottery, to raise the massive funds needed to buy clean electricity generating wind, solar, ocean and water systems, to replace the electricity from our coal burning electric power plants, that are emitting the carbon dioxide that is causing global warming. Remember, human greed is like a force of nature that can move mountains. If we can exploit it to fight global warming, we just might beat it!
Scotts ContractingAugust 27, 2014 2:43 am
Seems to everyone but the Republican climate change deniers are the only ones NOT on board the climate change bus and developing a plan for the Future on how we as Mankind are going to tackle the challenge that will defy modern humans.
Ms. AdamsAugust 26, 2014 9:58 am
Of course all of the above and then some... age, race, continent... all of humanity must be represented since it affects all of humanity.
nobodoywilleverstealmynmeacerAugust 26, 2014 9:32 am
well we already reached 7.1 billion people i guess if EVERY single country in the world put in a ban on having children then in a little less than a year we would see a decline
Ron HotchkissAugust 25, 2014 7:14 pm
This is a joke right?
Ilissa OckoAugust 25, 2014 4:06 pm
Strategy for re-framing the narrative: http://decarboni.se/insights/moral-optimism-climate-action
windy2August 25, 2014 1:33 pm
The critical lesson to be learned is that climate change will occur with or without man, that only fools think that man can prevent climate change and that man needs a plan to adapt to climate change. In the 11th century the rise of the oceans was far greater than today and the people of modern day Netherlands began to lose cropland to sea level rise. Instead of blaming themselves and creating a cult like religion to cope like the Mayans, they looked for adaptation solutions that would allow them to regain their fields and built sea walls which did the job and allowed them to survive while the Mayans perished. We face the same choice today between a cult religion style segment of society which wants all science and industry eliminated as a sacrifice to Gaia in hopes that Gaia will spare them, and against using science and industry for adaptation and survival. Crop yields in drought conditions today are much better that crop yields from drought conditions 30 years ago. In fact yield/acre in drought conditions in the USA today are approaching yields during ideal conditions 30 years ago. This is due to adaptation using science technology and allows for plants to flourish under harsher climate conditions. Without the science and industry we have achieved thus far, we would already be seeing mass starvation in poorer countries that now benefit from higher yields leading to more abundant food. Recently a blind African youth Tweeted "I'd rather be blind than eat GMO foods" which was retweeted at viral levels by religious cult types that are anti-GMO. The African youth was a science student illustrating the insanity of religious cult types that would agree with the idea of poor people dying and going blind than eat GMO foods for survival.
Ron HotchkissAugust 25, 2014 11:42 am
So it was the SUVs the changed the climate hundreds of years ago. Got it
bernard townsendAugust 24, 2014 6:30 am
The warming Arctic, is setting new standards for weather in the Northern Hemisphere, the never ending rains, are just beginning, the tremendous snowfalls during winter, the tremendous amounts of rain in the recurring rain events, are indications of feedback loops that are just getting established.
practicalman45 .August 24, 2014 4:54 am
What gets me is that these nations are acting like it is a new idea and let's now talk about if we maybe should be trying some "experiments"?? Bullsh*t! It is heavily actively already underway! And has been in use STRONGLY, not experimentally, for over 20 years now! By multiple Nations!. Including for purposes BANNED by international law, such as REGIONAL DEPOPULATION, and MILITARY COVERT WARFARE, CROP FAILURES and FLOODING for Tactical Geopolitical purposes.. What do they mean "we'll talk about experimenting" ?? Existing Geoengineering is already proven to be a causative factor in global warming and climate change. Possibly a stronger factor than CO2 emissions. http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
Tanta MountAugust 24, 2014 2:20 am
Right. So we should stop shipping food and supplies to third world countries because that creates CO2. Disband the UN.
Max MogrenAugust 23, 2014 8:31 pm
Geoengineering is merely weather modification. Weather modification has been used as a weapon since at least the mid-1960s when the US Military used cloud seeding to flood out the Vietcong. Anyone who actually studies the sky quickly realizes that geoengineering is already taking place and that the primary motivations are less noble than "saving the planet". Any geoengineering technology that can combat climate change is by definition a climate-changing technology. Why doesn't the mainstream address the obvious. Everyone else can see the crap in the sky: artificially induced cirrus clouds that actually increase greenhouse warming and surface temps.
zedanskiAugust 23, 2014 6:28 pm
This is nothing but wealth and growth redistribution, masquerading as environmental altruism.
piyush2August 23, 2014 4:30 pm
"sustainable growth" is an oxymoron. On a planet already in significant overshoot of natural resources (soil, water, energy, minerals etc) and mounting pollution, the worship of growth everlasting by virtually all countries is basically a race to unsustainability. See the movie growthbusters.
ACAugust 23, 2014 9:10 am
This is so ridiculous. Everybody knows that AGW is just Obama's hot air!
RichardAugust 23, 2014 5:03 am
It would look like a fools ruse since man-made global warming is a myth, By the way guys, Temperatures have been cooling for the last 15 years. An inconvenient truth to coin a phrase.. .
tmalthus2010August 23, 2014 3:32 am
China emits more CO2 than the US and Europe combined and is increasing their release rates by circa 10% per year. The US has reduced its releases by 20% since 1990. Yet the UN targets the US and Europe while giving China a free pass. That tells you all you need to know how much the UN's climate agenda is about climate.
MikkiAugust 23, 2014 3:00 am
Scam. This isn't about 'climate change', this is about money change. Take from the producers and give it to the third worlders who breed like rabbits on steroids.
ManoftheRepublicAugust 23, 2014 2:36 am
Two comments and since I did not jump on the bandwagon you deleted them,,,,
ManoftheRepublicAugust 23, 2014 2:35 am
Sorry, the United States is a free country.... You people in the other countries let people tell you what you can do and think..
GuestAugust 23, 2014 12:17 am
What would be fair? Let me see.......White males paying through the nose while everybody else gets a free ride? Sound like the UN? Yep!
NikolaiAugust 23, 2014 12:16 am
It seems all "solutions" to climate change simply ensure millions will be forced into poverty.
bgreen2266August 23, 2014 12:07 am
Major fossil fuel companies have spent much energy to determine whether the fuels they sell actually cause climate change. The bottom line? They do and, perhaps surprisingly, many of them own up to it and are calling for federal action. The fossil fuel finding offers another firm reason to move forward to safeguard our future. Even if we’re uncertain of the potential worst effects, we need an insurance policy. There is growing concern among these major companies over climate change and a call for equitable federal action. Shell minces no words: “CO2 emissions must be reduced to avoid serious climate change.” U.S. power provider NRG says, “Global warming is one of the most significant challenges facing humankind.” Major coal user, American Electric Power, also recognizes the problem
Trevor DeMontAugust 22, 2014 11:42 pm
Wow, this is complete insanity.
Rich BalanceAugust 22, 2014 11:12 pm
Based on ... “Varying planetary heat sink led to global-warming slowdown and acceleration,” by X. Chen at Ocean University of China in Qingdao, China; X. Chen; K.-K. Tung at University of Washington in Seattle, WA. ... it looks like climate change is on hold for at least another 10-20 years. That means we have time to determine whether a problem really exists. The answer to your question is no deal is the best deal.
RHO1953August 22, 2014 11:06 pm
Sheer insanity and this shows the real agenda of the AGW movement. They can just kiss my ass. I have children and grandchildren that need jobs to have a future.
Jim ShanksAugust 22, 2014 10:41 pm
Anything that rewards the UN for the years of constant lies about global cooling, no global warming, no climate change, no Atlantic warming will do nothing but perpetuate the biggest fraud the world has ever seen. It would be best to just disband the UN's fraudulent climate study organizations, but barring that, just ignore them.
StanleyAugust 22, 2014 10:40 pm
The best deal would be no deal. IE it sounds like the deal is how much we the people of the earth have to suffer while Government workers get sweetheart medical, pay and pensions forever.
frodo67August 22, 2014 10:22 pm
How about quit telling the lie that man has any control over the Climate.
GuyBBAugust 22, 2014 9:52 pm
Well, although there is an imminent disaster here, it isn't what the climate might or might not do. Rather, it is the UN attempt to muzzle the most powerful economies in the world. There are many ways to divvy up a pie, but taking away our piece isn't going to work. This whole discussion is so stupid. The only constant in history is, nothing ever remains the same. Adapt and overcome, or die, it is as simple as that. You do realize, that we will run out of oil long before CO2 hits the levels they are predicting right?
Tuxedo_PlowboyAugust 22, 2014 9:08 pm
I just made three posts and none of them were even allowed.
Tuxedo_PlowboyAugust 22, 2014 9:06 pm
Our government is using our own money to tell us these lies. And we pay our cable and satellite companies to divide our payments so that the state run media can tell us lies also.
mapsguy1955August 22, 2014 9:01 pm
This is a start... I wonder if the fact that technology costs decrease as usage increases plays a part in this? If the Western world sets the bar with full implementation, my guess is that the rest will quickly follow. It would be an incredible amount of leverage to have, since the Chinese and Indian economies are highly dependent on Western money...
Tuxedo_PlowboyAugust 22, 2014 9:01 pm
SO???? Another gutter based article on here said the droughts are causing the Earth to rise. So the water and the land are both rising, and sky is falling articles keep spewing!!!
BillAugust 22, 2014 9:00 pm
And so the one world government begins......
Tuxedo_PlowboyAugust 22, 2014 8:58 pm
COULD???? A pig could fly over my house today too. Please stop these fraudulent articles!!
Tuxedo_PlowboyAugust 22, 2014 8:50 pm
Through all of the perpetrators of this HOAX in jail????
John D. FiatAugust 22, 2014 8:49 pm
A fair deal would be to ignore these UN idiots. They are not looking out for the best of the United States. They are not climatologists (the IPCC has only a few actual scientists) but rather world government pushing bureaucrats. In this so-called fair deal, China and India can pollute as much as they want, while the UK and the US gets screwed? Gas would become 30 dollars a gallon and the whole nation would go bankrupt (perhaps even the world), and all for something that doesn't even exist. Climate Propagandists are complete morons and a-holes!
BillAugust 22, 2014 8:49 pm
Next question ...
BillAugust 22, 2014 8:48 pm
Answer ... a deal where scammers are sent packing while being told that no taxation or wealth redistribution plan will have any affect on a climate. Nice try but we know it's a lie, bye bye.
Jeff PetsingerAugust 22, 2014 8:30 pm
We are broke! Why are we "paying" poor countries to let us pollute? Because transfering wealth out of the US to the rest of the world is the real agenda.
Tom AthanasiouAugust 22, 2014 7:37 pm
One wee clarification . . . Where Ed says "China’s emission trajectory for 2020 is a whopping 16,688 MtCO2e, just under the target total for the whole world. But the ERF calculator says it just needs to shave off 1,575 MtCO2e, or 9.4%" What he should have said is something like . . . "China’s emission trajectory for 2020 is a whopping 16,688 MtCO2e, not much less than the mitigation target for the whole world. Of this, according to the ERF calculator, it needs to itself finance mitigation of 1,575 MtCO2e, or 9.4%. (It's "fair share"). The total mitigation that needs to take place within its borders is, of course, much greater, and amounts to about 4,673 MtCO2e, or 28% of China's projected 2020 baseline emissions." Sorry to nitpick! -- toma
Tom AthanasiouAugust 22, 2014 7:33 pm
One wee clarification
renojim_2000August 22, 2014 7:22 pm
The only good thing the UN can do is dissolve itself.
Get to Work PeopleAugust 22, 2014 7:14 pm
Yup, the USA better become a 3rd world nation and give all our money to the UN so they can "save us".... All AGW is a political attempt at wealth redistribution. The world is not coming to an end.
PaulTDAugust 22, 2014 6:53 pm
LOL. There's a 95% chance that half of non-existent warming is not due to natural factors. What gibberish. If you think warming might be expensive, just wait til you get the bill for 'mitigation efforts'. Then the planet will continue it's natural cooling cycle, and you'll get another huge bill to 'help' warm it back up! Complete idiocy.
PaulTDAugust 22, 2014 6:31 pm
I agree, doesn't pass the smell test. The decision to move was the result of a tsunami! Furthermore, since when does sea level rise at different rates in the same ocean? Lastly, if sea level is rising 4mm per year, that's only a threat to places that are less than 2 feet above sea level. No need to panic if you're city planners weren't complete idiots.
Edward J WoodAugust 22, 2014 6:26 pm
You do realize, of course, that none of this is going to happen. The UN is not going to de-develop the world. The Western powers will not revert to an Amish farm community, and the developing world doesn't want to hear that they can't have automobiles, air conditioners, and TV sets. The global warming fanatics will have their conventions, issue their reports, and no one will listen.
RickAugust 22, 2014 6:25 pm
A new equity calculator. Reduce UN funding by: US 89% UK 85% INDIA 75% CHINA 10% (they probably don't pay any anyway)
HansAugust 22, 2014 6:05 pm
The best solution is do nothing but adapt to climate change as we simply cannot control the climate. With the current near 18 yr hiatus in global warming and more and more studies suggesting solar and ocean cycles have significantly more impact on climate than once thought along with more and more studies concluding CO2 does not drive the positive feedbacks as originally thought, it's becoming apparent that adoption to climate change is the best path forward vs trying to think we can control climate through CO2 emissions regulations.
jabbadonutAugust 22, 2014 6:05 pm
First of all, "EcoEquity" is really "Earh Island Institute." These are environmental activists whose agenda has always been slanted towards environmental concerns. They are completely biased. Go to the Earth Island Institute website, check out their board of directors, and find out who these people are. I did.
Steven KingAugust 22, 2014 6:02 pm
It would look like what it is: Pure Communism
kilosqrdAugust 22, 2014 5:36 pm
Here is some food for thought for all the AGW, climate change alarmists out there. In ten years I will be filling the fuel tank of my internal combustion engine powered automobile with fossil fuel based energy (i.e. gasoline). In twenty years I will be doing the same thing. Get used to it.
kilosqrdAugust 22, 2014 5:21 pm
It may have passed the point of no return in 2006? If so, there is no way to stop it? Then what the heck is all the fuss about? There is so much nuanced language coming from the global warming alarmists. Could, might, suggests, may, possible. etc. Are you going to NYC in Sept, Cg? I hope so. Then the rest of can sit back and enjoy a good laugh at your expense.
guyguytfg556August 22, 2014 4:25 pm
That document on Scribd is suspicious. There are strange, basic and serious language mistakes and the document is not on the Visegrad group's website.
danoAugust 22, 2014 1:54 pm
“Every week there’s a new explanation of the hiatus,” So I guess you need to come up with one that explains nothing but is good baffling bullshit.
Clive ElsworthAugust 22, 2014 9:50 am
#Bilbo Baggins If you read the report from Regional Economic Modelling (REMI) which modeled the Fee & Dividend policy advocated by Citizens Climate Lobby, you might be more in favour of carbon pricing. The report showed that the US economy would be boosted, with more jobs, higher wages, higher GDP, better health (from less pollution) and of course much lower CO2 emissions over time.
joe blowAugust 22, 2014 5:08 am
More government funded science conspiracy. What a load of BS. Notice that it's a new story every week? We're all gonna die! I really love the stories about rising sea level only in SOME places! That's great! Yeah, it's rising in Florida but not in Maine. But it's all about big tax and spend liberal policy.
tmalthus2010August 22, 2014 3:34 am
Amazing finding given that in the REAL WORLD, Antarctic ice cover is INCREASING.
RonAugust 21, 2014 11:56 pm
Keep it up boys. In a few centuries you'll be spot on!
MikkiAugust 21, 2014 10:46 pm
I can't tell you what the weather will be next week much less what the climate will be in twenty years and neither can anyone else. That fruit cake, Al Gore, has already been proved wrong but boy oh boy has he made a fortune milking the true believers.
johnAugust 21, 2014 8:35 pm
I see that my last comment is being reviewed by RTCC. It looks like dissenting views are being suppressed
johnAugust 21, 2014 8:09 pm
OK. Lets start the mad dash to higher ground. 37 cm is just short of 15 inches
Bilbo BagginsAugust 21, 2014 7:47 pm
This is what happens when you take a small child and, instead of educating him and letting him grow up normally, you submerge him in acting and have him hang out with half wits, perverts, drug addicts the mentally unbalanced (AKA Hollywoodsters). If any politician in this country imposes a carbon tax on us, we should drag him/her out of their office and publicly hang them. Too bad this man/child, DiCaprio, can't understand what severe hardships will occur by placing a useless ineffectual carbon tax on normal people.
dubidabeeAugust 21, 2014 7:03 pm
Climate change is serious business and should be studied without bias. Blaming the trace quantities of greenhouse gasses is not the answer nor is it real science. In the radiative forcing concept, if all particles emitted as blackbodies and could emit the entire thermal spectrum, 0.04% of the particles could only emit 0.04% of the energy. However, CO2 is activated by only 8% of the thermal spectrum and that is all it can emit 0.04% of 8%.
CgAugust 21, 2014 6:40 pm
Yes, as this article points out... "The effect of climate change on the world’s two polar regions looks like a stark contrast: the Arctic is warming faster than most of the rest of the Earth, while most of Antarctica appears to remain reassuringly locked in a frigid embrace. BUT! an international scientific team says the reality is quite different. The Antarctic is warming too, it says, and the southern ice could become the main cause of global sea level rise during this century − far sooner than previously thought-. 'Southern Ice' exists on the continent of Antarctica.. not in the Arctic Ocean. This means when the southern ice melts.. it runs off into the southern oceans raising the sea level much more that ice in the Arctic ocean just melting in place. Rising sea levels have a very sinister side effect. They cause melting of permafrost where trillions of tons of Methane Hydrate are now found. Why is this so sinister? Melting permafrost is releasing Methane directly into the atmosphere. The problem NOT MENTIONED in this report is the rate in the increase in Methane, a much stronger Greenhouse Gas than CO2. There is a significant danger related to Methane being released into the atmosphere by melting Methane Hydrate, the most abundant supply of Energy on the entire planet, surpassing all the crude oil, Natural gas AND coal combined. If this Methane were being burned, it would be gobbling up O2 at a record rate but its being released UN-burned, into the atmosphere. Bottom line: Melting permafrost begets unburned Methane which produces more Global Warming which begets MORE Methane. This is a vicious cycle called Global Thermal Runaway.. and it may have passed the point of return in 2006. Runaway means there is NO WAY to stop it and because it is exponential in nature, that Year 2100 is actually no more than ten years away and may already be out of control.
SayWhatAugust 21, 2014 6:39 pm
37cm per century is 0.37mm more per year. We had been at 3.1mm per year, until the recent slowdown. http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n5/full/nclimate2159.html Is the projected 3.47mm per year vs. 3.1mm we're accustomed to that bad?, especially when tempered by "challenges in modeling" and "inadequacies"?
Dash RiprockAugust 21, 2014 5:57 pm
Why did the ice melt at the end of the last ice age? It's too bad Al Gore and his gang weren't alive then they could have stopped the glaciers from melting then and we'd have ice up the wazoo.
Mike LambertsenAugust 21, 2014 5:48 pm
The BIG word here "COULD"
Mark CatherAugust 21, 2014 5:41 pm
Ice in Antarctica is growing. This story is nothing more than a chicken little propaganda piece.
sdcreality1August 21, 2014 5:01 pm
I predict in the year 2525 if man is still alive, if woman can survive, global sea level will decline by 450 cm. Further in the year 3535 aint going to have to tell the truth, tell no lie, everything you think, do or say, is in the pill you take today, and global sea level will rise 200 cm ect......
WSIMPYAugust 21, 2014 4:39 pm
THE ARTICLE WRITTEN FOR STUPID PEOPLE WHO MIGHT MISUNDERSTAND 37CM FOR 37 FEET. IF THEY HAD REPORTED RISE OF 14.5 INCHES PEOPLE MIGHT NOT GET SO EXCITED.
Jack WolfAugust 21, 2014 4:27 pm
I am brave. I shall defend our island planet, whatever the cost may be, I shall fight on the beaches, I shall fight on the landing grounds, I shall fight in the fields and in the streets, I shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender to the fossil fuel foe. It is no use saying, 'We are doing our best.' You have got to succeed in doing what is necessary. This is our ultimate challenge, the stuff that epic history is made of. Don't stay home and watch it on the tele. Be there. Be brave. People's Climate March: NYC 9.21.14
UltrabombAugust 21, 2014 4:27 pm
The world needs atmospheric carbon dioxide reducing devices.
ppiaseckAugust 21, 2014 4:22 pm
These scientist and these organizations must need money, can you imagine going to a bank for a business loan and stating this as your business plan, This paper is a critical input to projections of possible future contributions of diminishing ice sheets to sea level by a rigorous consideration of uncertainty of not only the results of ice sheet models themselves but also the climate and ocean forcing driving the ice sheet models. See the word uncertainty, they don't have a Bucking clue, it is a guess.read more The team also emphasizes that the study’s results are limited to this century, 14 years, yea right, they love their Crystal Balls, what will the future hold, have they won the lottery yet with those computer models? everything in this article is based on predictions, you would be better off reading Nostradamus predictions and making them fit..............................
BillAugust 21, 2014 4:10 pm
Could, should, might, may, possibly, predicted, anticipated, in 100 years .... just ignore the failed predictions up to this point.
Armed CitizenAugust 21, 2014 4:01 pm
Anything to perpetuate the lie.
Jack WolfAugust 21, 2014 3:53 pm
I shall defend our island planet, whatever the cost may be, I shall fight on the beaches, I shall fight on the landing grounds, I shall fight in the fields and in the streets, I shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender to the fossil fuel foe. It is no use saying, 'We are doing our best.' You have got to succeed in doing what is necessary. This is our ultimate challenge, the stuff that epic history is made of. Don't stay home and watch it on the tele. Be brave. Be there. People's Climate March: NYC 9.21.14 http://peoplesclimate.org/
ArchangelAugust 21, 2014 3:39 pm
t This report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - over 91 years ago The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department from Consulate, at Bergen, Norway.

 Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

 Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable. Climate Change as Historical Scientific fact exhibits is inevitable, Global warming is a fallacy!
Lynn WiremanAugust 21, 2014 3:39 pm
what a load of lies and deceit. The Antarctic is is growing at a record pace and the polar bear population is on the rise. Ask to ship of fools who went there last Antarctic summer to film "global warming" They were stuck and stranded by the expanding ICE. It has been proven by factual evidence the Man Made Global Warming is BS..
Barack_OnumbNutsAugust 21, 2014 3:31 pm
OMG! We're all gonna die..... what's Al Gores address so I can send a check.
Born_n_TejasAugust 21, 2014 3:25 pm
Guess the fund raising dollars are drying up an Arctic Ice Melt.
TabludamaAugust 21, 2014 3:00 pm
This is so bogus! The Antarctic ice is expanding rapidly.
JasonHAugust 21, 2014 2:33 pm
Do you ever notice almost all of these alarmist articles about 50 or 100 years from now contain the word "could" or "might"? Doesn't that also mean it "could" NOT happen or "might" NOT happen as well? That is not science. It's purely a guess and seeing as how all of their climate models have consistently been wrong vs. what actually is happening, why would any of us believe they can pinpoint disasters so far off in the future?
Brad ArnoldAugust 21, 2014 10:56 am
There is a simple and very cheap way to immediately cool down the Earth: just add a little (more) short-lived sun dimming pollution to the air. If you don't like the results, just stop, and it will wash out. We won't have to do it long because there is a new clean energy technology that will beat the pants off of fossil fuels. It is so cheap and abundant that it can be used to remove the excess carbon from the air. http://pesn.com/2014/07/22/9602521_SHT-publishes_3rd-third-party-test-results_1345x-overunity/ "Solar Hydrogen Trends has now revealed the name of their third-party testers: TRC Solutions, and have published their results. TRC measured 127 cubic feet per minute (215,800 liters per hour) of 97% hydrogen being produced from water using only 414 watts of power. That's 1345 times more energy out than in." http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913 "Given the deliberately conservative choices made in performing the measurement, we can reasonably state that the E-Cat HT is a non-conventional source of energy which lies between conventional chemical sources of energy and nuclear ones." (i.e. about five orders of magnitude more energy dense than gasoline, and a COP of almost 6). This phenomenon (LENR) has been confirmed in hundreds of published scientific papers: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJtallyofcol.pdf "LENR has the demonstrated ability to produce excess amounts of energy, cleanly, without hazardous ionizing radiation, without producing nasty waste.” - Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center "Total replacement of fossil fuels for everything but synthetic organic chemistry." --Dr. Joseph M. Zawodny, NASA By the way, here is a survey of some of the companies that are bringing LENR to commercialization: http://www.cleantechblog.com/blog/2011/08/the-new-breed-of-energy-cataly... For those who still aren't convinced, here is a paper I wrote that contains some pretty convincing evidence: http://coldfusionnow.org/the-evidence-for-lenr/
Kimbowa RichardAugust 21, 2014 9:41 am
I agree. This coupled with national country's redtape has made the anticipated REDD+ benefits a 'pipe dream' for many communities. Change is essential and urgent
Beverly JeffersonAugust 20, 2014 1:06 pm
I suppose that some people are aware of what is happening in our environment, but at some point they still don't have any actions to help it. I hope that all people will have the guts to do what is right to save the earth and to lessen the risks of climate change.
MistyLynnAugust 20, 2014 12:50 pm
I don't consider a city flooding to be climate change. I consider that bad infrastructure planning by government officials that are blaming climate change for their short-sided planning efforts.
NicholBAugust 19, 2014 1:07 pm
You're right. Though these are two separate problems. We should be concerned about both. CO2 emissions from Coal fired powerplants are huge, and we should do something about them. But CO2 emissions don't have the direct health problems that are caused by other types of emissions. And certainly wood stoves are not at all very advanced or clean in that respect. It isn't easy to change the behaviour of all those many people that like their wood stove or open fire. Some people know how to build a nearly smokeless fire, but most don't. But all of them treasure the experience of sitting around a fire.
NicholBAugust 19, 2014 1:02 pm
Better insulation is the thing that can keep us warm and comfortable. Electric heating only starts making sense when you need very little of it: in perfectly insulated buildings.
windy2August 19, 2014 1:01 pm
New messengers are needed too. John Kerry pleaded with people to "ask any child" about climate change. My first thought to that statement is "Children is where John Kerry gets his knowledge?" Is that really a message that adults will find motivational? Oops. Or how about Mike Mann's egomaniacal antics of taking legal action against those that criticize his work? Mann is now the poster child for killing free speech in the USA and has become so worrisome to the public that every major news outlet is now filing legal motions against Mann. He has become a pariah and a detriment to climate change messaging. Obama's popularity is at an all time low and he has been awarded so many Pinocchios for lying by the Washington Post that public trust has dropped to around 30%. He also has political baggage now as the US has been forced to increase imported coal in the face of Obama and the EPA destroying the domestic coal industry in America and putting coal workers out of work. No political candidate of the upcoming election wants to be seen with Obama. Obama's lack of interest in climate change for his first term gives the impression that Obama's using the climate issue to distract from his disastrous foreign and economic policies. I think it is too late to rebrand the climate message and even if it is somehow achieved, the current crop of messengers are still a problem and sucking all the life out of the movement.
NicholBAugust 19, 2014 1:00 pm
This is why we need some reasonable price to be put on CO2 pollution. In the EU, the ETS CO2 pricing system was supposed to do this job, but it hasn't worked, as the system is not able to set a price that is meaningful to powerstations burning (brown)coal. Luckily, renewable energy is growing fast, and energy efficiency is improving .. at least that cannot be undone by coal power.
NicholBAugust 19, 2014 12:36 pm
Interesting .. should be expect Obama to visit the Maldives for an underwater meeting with its prime minister and cabinet? Followed by the first speech by an american president broadcast from underwater! Start the diving lessons now :)
NicholBAugust 19, 2014 12:34 pm
.. what is the relevance of this comment, to the article above? Quite apart from the validity of its content.. I'm trying to bend my mind to the concept of 'legislating a narrative change'. How can you legislate the stories people tell?
JanetteNoelleAugust 18, 2014 10:26 pm
Bravo, fellow global activists throughout the UK!
Patty ShenkerAugust 18, 2014 7:43 pm
I want to & plan to be there as climate change is happening & worsening due to the deniers & the corporations that don't want to change & don't care. Time to stop animal agriculture, deforestation & overpopulation if we want a livable planet.
Climate HomeAugust 18, 2014 5:10 pm
Hi Nick - old cables, but we ran the story as it looks like Assange is leaving the Ecuadorean embassy soon. Hope all well with you - Ed
Nick ChanAugust 18, 2014 4:20 pm
Are some of these newly released cables?
Floyd Howard JrAugust 18, 2014 3:50 pm
Dems are trying to legislate a narrative change hurting the American people in the process! All Democrats and supporters here and abroad, are trying to flood the media with hysterical climate change & global warming alarms and fabricated evidence to take the heat off Dem candidates in the November 2014 and 2016 elections due to the train wreck of Obamacare and immigration chaos! They shout, scream, cry, make outlandish claims and won't stop till after the elections! Poor Democrats! The tsunami cometh!
Frank ReganAugust 18, 2014 1:36 pm
The climate disaster narrative may have not worked well, but the monsters are no less real. Pandering to the public’s disinclination to hear dreadful, long-drawn out bad news about Climate Change has its complications. Climate Change means planning and planning accurately for the world we live in. And this requires that we plan long before the effects of Climate Change show up because by that time they are usually too late to solve. Already we are experiencing a continual march of warming and its consequences (extreme weather, rising seas, etc) during which the public finally understands that Climate Change is happening. Now the public doesn’t want to hear about all the dreary details. If the public wants hope peppered into Climate Change news, they need to act in such a way that there will be hope—not turn off bad news (the monsters) that are really the repercussions of doing nothing.
Daniel Oliver JostAugust 18, 2014 12:09 pm
And what about revealing the "secret" taught in no economy class in the world, that economy and ecology actually share the same etymological roots?... ECONOMY: From Latin oeconomia, from Ancient Greek οἰκονομία (oikonomía, “management of a household, administration”), from οἶκος (oîkos, “house”) + νόμος (nómos, “law”) (surface analysis eco- +‎ -nomy). ECOLOGY: from Ancient Greek οἶκος (oîkos, “house”) + -λογία (-logía, “study of”)
Dorota RetelskaAugust 18, 2014 7:23 am
The more I read about climate, the more I feel that cited disasters are separated examples of what is likely to happen the way we pollute. I was surprised that IPCC report talks about 4-5 degrees Celsius warming, but doesn't discuss the implications and feedback effects that that level of warming would trigger. Press, even more, does nto apprehend the true consequences of warming. We need to clearly realise that stopping global warming is a life or death matter for our children and most of Humanity, and any discussed disaster would be only one in tousands.
vAugust 18, 2014 2:21 am
on a world scale, embrace nuclear power temporarily along with renewables and you get rid of fossil fuels faster. in return for less climate change devastation there is a CHANCE a few plants and nuclear storage sites might statistically suffer chernobyl scale accidents. We lose in a worst case scenario maybe several hundred square kilometers per century of usable land to radiation and a death toll maybe at worst in the millions per century or status quo. Nuclear is being supressed. Renewables are increasing in number slowly so fossil fuel hangs around much much longer. Climate change then FOR SURE becomes worse, what else is the CO2 being spewed gonna do?. We lose millions of square kilometers per century to desertification and sea level rise. At worst case, death toll in the billions per century from heat waves, displacement of populations, famine, increased extreme weather events, new diseases or tropical diseases moving to temperate areas, economic collapse and maybe resource wars
Vinny BurgooAugust 17, 2014 9:28 pm
The town on Taro Island was never supposed to be there. It was a quick fix when Choiseul separated from Western Province in 1991 and, a new provincial capital being needed pronto, they threw up some buildings next to an existing airstrip. Choiseul Province has been trying to raise funds to relocate its capital to the main island ever since. Precious little to do with climate change - or not until now, when just saying the magic words suddenly gets funding for what had long been sought. Hurrah for climate change! (For a while, anyway. The capital is to be rebuilt in a coastal swamp, so if local sea levels really are rising at three times the global average it'll have to be relocated again a few years from now - no doubt paid for once more by gullible, guilt-stricken ex-colonialists.)
Leslie GrahamAugust 17, 2014 12:13 pm
It's good to see even the kids have rumbled the Denial Industry BS. We should be glad they are only making speeches and planting trees - they have every reason to be extremely angry at the misinformation campaign of the carbon corporations. They may not be so polite in future decades.
Leslie GrahamAugust 17, 2014 12:11 pm
LOL More great parody. Yeah - they should all be learning the Bible eh? Heh heh.
Leslie GrahamAugust 17, 2014 12:09 pm
Now that climate change is such an obvious everyday reality all over the world that even 9 year olds can't avoid seeing it the last-of-the-deniers are sounding shrill, desperate and not a little insane.
Leslie GrahamAugust 17, 2014 12:08 pm
Heh heh. Nice one Per. The trouble with that kind of comment is that climate change deniers are now so far beyond parody that there is a danger many people reading this thread will think you are actualy serious. I kid you not. But anyway - keep it up - the only rational response to the last-of-the-deniers is to laugh at them.
Truth TellerAugust 17, 2014 5:44 am
Flyoverman- You are ridiculous! Just because YOU can't understand the science that -pertains to climate change, it doesn't mean that it isn't true. There is NO voodoo, in medicine or climate change, you are an idiot! Climate science is all about physics, which unfortunately a lot of people do not get. Don't put something down that you know nothing about! It would behoove you to actually do some research on global warming and climate change. Go to NASA/Climate change for the truth.
SlindseyAugust 17, 2014 5:01 am
Has it ever been warmer in the History of the Earth? Has CO2 levels ever been higher? If you can answer yes to both... then congratulations... you are a THINKER
notfookingtakenAugust 17, 2014 1:43 am
so basically a doubling of CO2 doubles food production!!! Brilliant!
BartAugust 16, 2014 4:59 pm
The minister understands rural voters want a few passersby to complain about the revenue-generating windmills on their farmland? He understands farmers want floods, unreliable weather, loss of soil nitrogen and invasive pest risks inevitable with fossil fuel pollutants in the air? Owen Paterson, MP, understands that fertilizer costs, transportation and labour costs go up as extreme weather resulting from CO2 pollution wreaks hardships on agricultural lands? The minister understands voters poll by far in the majority for immediate action on fossil fuel-caused harms of climate change? The minister understands Swanson's Law, the principle that lowers the cost of renewables 20% per doubling of installed capacity, while driving down the price of fossil fuels as demand for them vanishes? The minister apparently understands campaign donors living in 'rural' manors paid for by coal and oil, two of the most subsidized commercial goods in the world, whatever else we may doubt about the ex-minister's capacity for understanding.
BartAugust 16, 2014 11:56 am
One of the main problems of communicating climate change, at least in the English speaking world, is the epidemic of nescient climate change objectors who invert messaging, spoof communications, propagandize and infiltrate processes to subvert public statements. Very little in the IPCC's reports focuses, for example, on catastrophe. Less than one percent of the Fifth Assessment Report even mentions the most dire outcomes. This is fitting, as the largest expense of climate change AR5 finds is to everyone in slight and small, incremental ways, like the tale of the frog boiled by gradually warming the water in the pot. AR5 can be summed up in short to say, "You cannot pollute without consequence, and CO2 pollution's consequences are global damage." Food prices will go up one food in one region at a time as local, regional droughts and floods, invasions by hostile species and habitat loss from unseasonable weather eats away at the agriculture and fisheries of the world. Air conditioning needs will go up in spikes in summer, while heating needs will lower except for more intense spikes in winter. People will need to travel farther for relief from weather -- a major reason people travel -- and to find fresh market produce. These aren't catastrophes of life and limb, but of wallet and time. These costs are made to vanish in the messaging by the lobby of ill-advice and willful ignorance of such well-funded and well-organized tax-exempt groups as the Cornwall Alliance and the GWPF. Note the irony that the GWPF calls itself the 'Global Warming Protection Fund'. And the truer irony is that governments worldwide actually subsidize the fossil fuel industries more than any other activity, in the false belief that they can make energy cheap to drive their economies. www.iea.org/publications/worldenergyoutlook/resources/energysubsidies/ The mathematics of Swanson's Law tells us that more diversity in the renewable energy mix is the lowest cost national energy policy, as each doubling of installed renewable capacity results in economies of scale of 20% of the per Megawatt cost. Already competitive renewables like solar, wind, geothermal and tide and their dispatchable storage have such a small share of the total market that they can double five times in installed capacity and still may only displace half the carbon burned, but their price will be more than halved. The message ought be simple. A very few make money from the burning of fossil fuels at the expense of the rest of us because dumping the pollution of burning fossil fuels into our shared air has not been priced yet in most of the world. A very few make excess money because of false faith in bad models of carbon burning subsidy and investment. www.carbontracker.org/ The IMF at the start of August revealed a simple message: the major nations of the world must all stop subsidizing fossil fuels and price carbon burning to at least the level of damage polluting with CO2 does. The Canadian province of British Columbia has successfully had a model CO2 fee and dividend system, its Revenue Neutral Carbon Tax, that pays its citizens in tax breaks by charging a price for carbon polluting at the point of sale. www.vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/Cayo+reinforces+case+carbon/10122620/story.html It's not fair to get something for nothing, to risk harm without compensating the people you impose costs on, to burn carbon and just dump CO2 into the air. What more climate change message do we need than that? People are basically decent, and will seek what is fair.
David NevadaAugust 16, 2014 9:59 am
I'm so sick of this leftist bull
zztomAugust 16, 2014 6:05 am
I am sure all the scientists flying and sailing around doesn't help.
FlyovermanAugust 16, 2014 4:16 am
Climate change is to actual climate sciene as voodoo is to the practice of medicine.
StanleyAugust 16, 2014 2:45 am
Yes man made global warming is a hoax. Not proven. Climate change is occurring the only constant is change. Change can be for the good or change for the bad. The Pilgrims made a good change from socialism to a system based on capitalism. Looks like the change Obama promised is going to be state capitalism. IE some key prices are going to be controlled by a few. The controlling few will decide what's good or bad for you not you.
JasonAugust 16, 2014 2:33 am
Until the "discussion", which isn't a discussion but indoctrination, is allowed to be fairly debate and researched on both sides of the issue, shown by where grant money is going, we know that any reports are highly political.
john greenAugust 16, 2014 2:30 am
you don't get any dumber then climate scientist unless you believe them
David Lee GardnerAugust 16, 2014 1:59 am
This article is one of the largest piles of BS I have read. The climate will change in spite of man and what we do to try to stop it from changing. I know enough real science to know that this is bunk. Has anyone forgot that th the Antartic summer, there was a ship with Climate Change Scientists on it that became stranded because their Russian Ship became licked up in a huge ice field that solidified around them? Have we forgotten that it was the coldest winter in the Northern Hemisphere we have had in years? That we are experiencing an extremely mild Summer in the East and in the South? I live in the deep South and we have had no 90^ weather. Someone reported that in New Jersey their summer was also mild, and on that day it was 69^. By the way, CO2 is only a tiny fraction of our atmosphere, less that 0.04%, N2 is 78.084% and O2 is 20.946% of our atmosphere. H2O has a little more than 2x the specific heat than any gas. The gases in the atmosphere have less than half the specific heat than H2O. And that includes CO2. CO2, being such a small part of the atmosphere could not possiblt heat the Earth. If you took a piece of paper, covered its surface entirely with pepper, then placed 2 grains of salt on in it randomly, that is what CO2 would look like. How could that reflect, blanket or absorb so much heat that it warmed the Earth. Besides, ALL GREEN PLANTS INSPIRE CO2 AND EXPIRE O2. THAT PROCESS IS GOOD FOR PLANTS AND MAKES THEM VIGEROUS AND HEALTHY!!!!!
courtney goodwynAugust 16, 2014 1:20 am
So this great ocean rise of 3/16th of an inch every 12 year to reach 1 meter in 2000 years. The people of this island are moving to a new bigger and better place. Their ancestors had lived here because the island had no one living on it. They had freedom to do what they wanted to do. The younger generations look for more and free things!!
Chuck OAugust 16, 2014 1:14 am
Scientists helping to improve forecasts? This can't be possible. It would mean that scientists actually do know what they're talking about.
Barack_OnumbNutsAugust 15, 2014 10:55 pm
Oh gee... all of a sudden the cult is now gonna claim that climate is relative to weather..... how intellectual.
noahharrisAugust 15, 2014 10:40 pm
The deniers will not be impressed. Certain right wing politicians won't be impressed. None of the right wing radio dummies will be impressed either. Fugetaboutit....just work around these people, that's all the scientific community can do.
FactChecker3August 15, 2014 10:38 pm
Understanding weather and climate are two totally different problems. Ihe earth's global climate is an extremely complicated system of nonlinear feedbacks, limits, and response functions that is way beyond our current understanding. It requires global measurements of air temperature, ocean water temperature (both shallow and deep), humidity, ice melting on land, and ice melting in the oceans, just to name a few, and how they all interact. Weather prediction is child's play compared to that.
zip98053August 15, 2014 10:17 pm
People who argue against human caused climate change seem to get really angry if someone uses a weather event as evidence of climate change but are more than happy to use them to "prove" that there is no global warming. Curious.
leonard boltonAugust 15, 2014 9:48 pm
Regardless of the evidence the verdict is always the same. Heat means global warming, cold means global warming. Where the evidence gets shaky the subject is changed to "climate" where the warmers are on safer and vaguer ground. Minds are made up -- that's it.
Marine Core SoldierAugust 15, 2014 9:46 pm
"prompting scientists to patiently explain the distinction between weather and climate" Which only prompts us to explain why they are kooks.
Marine Core SoldierAugust 15, 2014 9:42 pm
Oh GOD !!! Not another Global Warming Kook story at Yahoo !!! Who would have ever guessed?
bottleponicsAugust 15, 2014 9:35 pm
Specifics?
ScoobyAugust 15, 2014 9:06 pm
So it's acceptable for "scientists" from the U.K to predict that snow would become a "rare and exciting event" by 2013? Climate science predictions currently have no basis in reality and the propaganda is being seen for what it is.
Solving TornadoesAugust 15, 2014 8:59 pm
This article is to science what bubblegum is to nutrition.
ohiodaleAugust 15, 2014 8:44 pm
So the last 16 years of cooling temperatures are not considered climate but one hurricane is? Is this the new liberal argument that we are just confusing weather and climate, lol. After a 10 year trend the climate of a region is usually changed. The liberals are using data that goes back so far that is spans different climate eras. Over the last 16 years, the earth's average temperature has dropped. This drop in temperature over 16 years constituents a climate change. Sure the previous 2 decades had increased tempertures but the last 16 years has to be considered.
joe petroskyAugust 15, 2014 8:23 pm
The difference between weather and climate is one of the most ridiculous arguments that I have ever heard. More Global warming/cooling/warming for political science dummy's.
Tom TerrificAugust 15, 2014 7:52 pm
We,as a species, are in the unique situation of not only being able to witness, but also being the cause, of our own EXTINCTION!
adam_s_0625August 15, 2014 7:52 pm
Afraid of anything that doesn't agree with the agenda. Why are we not surprised.
adam_s_0625August 15, 2014 7:43 pm
For alarmists, snow events are "weather" but heat waves are "climate change". It's ridiculous. Skeptics understand the difference between weather and climate quite well. We only wish our alarmist counterparts would acknowledge that the recent pause in atmospheric temp is a sign that their models are flawed, need MUCH more work, and that they do indeed NOT understand, with great confidence, how the biosphere operates, much less the role of CO2 within it.
JimAugust 15, 2014 7:36 pm
"Short term fluctuations in atmospheric conditions are one thing, they say; the long term warming trend observed through thousands of scientific studies is another." Short term periods of cooling in an otherwise long term warming trend are understandable. That's called normal variability. Extremes of cold that shatter low temperature records are another. A warming planet should not be breaking low temperature records anywhere on the planet. It also shouldn't be necessary to adjust historical data to make what appears to be a warming trend out of what would otherwise appear to be a straight line. By all accounts, we've been hitting all time records for atmospheric CO2. Doesn't that seem to contradict what the IPCC called "the hiatus in warming"? Fifteen years is no short term fluctuation. Why do climatologists blame weather events like the rains in the eastern US and the drought in the western US on climate change, and then freak out when someone points out a cold weather event and say "Climate is not weather!". You want to convince skeptics? Try getting most of your predictions right, for a change.
Uncle Sam Gone BadAugust 15, 2014 7:02 pm
Yeah, right.
Tom ServoAugust 15, 2014 6:01 pm
If the temperature goes up, this is just what the models predicted – watch out because ……soon it will get a lot worse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_climate_change If the temperature goes down, the deep ocean is swallowing the heat – even though the heat can’t be measured, we know it must be there, because that is what the climate models tell us. Global warming prevails! http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pacific-ocean-and-climate-change-pause/ If the global temperature crashes, its because global warming induced melting of arctic ice shut down the ocean currents. http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/05mar_arctic/ If the snow disappears, this is just as models predicted – snowfall is a thing of the past.http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html If there is an unusually heavy snowfall, this is just as models predicted – global warming is increasing the moisture content of the atmosphere, which results in increased snow cover.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/10/2010-snowmageddon-explained-sans-global-warmingclimate-change/ If there is a drought, that is because of global warming.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/21/causes-of-midwest-drought-2012_n_1690717.html Except of course, when global warming causes heavy rainfall.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/13/global-warming-the-incompetent-politicians-excuse/ No matter what the observation, no matter how the world changes, we can never falsify alarmist climate theories. Any possible change, any possible observation, can always be explained by anthropogenic global warming. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/22/occams-razor-and-climate-change/
BartAugust 15, 2014 5:47 pm
The problem is that whenever there is a weather event that, they use it as an example of climate change. Perhaps practicing what you preach would move the discussion forward.
James TikoAugust 15, 2014 5:39 pm
It doesn't matter if it's hot, cold, snowing, raining, or stable. The ironic monopoly put on normal weather patterns by the alarmists says no matter what it's global warming...no wait, sorry climate change.
Jesse IngallsAugust 15, 2014 5:24 pm
Weather forecasting has certainly improved. However, these left-wing, socialist so-called "climate scientists" also believe they can predict the climate. They even believe they can predict man's impact on climate. They are delusional--and it's all about the money-chase (for grants) where funding always goes to those "scientists" with a predisposition for finding man-made climate change.
RockyAugust 15, 2014 5:17 pm
Global Warming liars just never quit! Don't give up folks and keep the faith.
Scott CohenAugust 15, 2014 2:38 pm
The study this story is based on is available in the Journal of Transport Geography at: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0966692314001586 An open access authors' version is at: https://www.academia.edu/7732175/Why_sustainable_transport_policies_will_fail_EU_climate_policy_in_the_light_of_transport_taboos
ChrisAugust 15, 2014 10:37 am
We should be thankful that we are in the latter stages of warming from the last ice epoch. If you live by the sea at the moment you are going to get flooded. During the last Ice Age sea levels were 120 metres lower, the UK was joined to France by land and the Mediterranean sea was land locked. At least the rate of rise is significantly lower now than it used to be. What shall we say when we go into the next Ice age and the sea level falls back again - complain because our holiday retreat of the Maldives are no longer small islands but hugely exposed Atolls. Or that the sea view from my holiday home on the coast is no longer a sea view, but one of trees and forest. You have to put things into perspective. if you live on the coast while we are still exiting an ice Age, eventually you will get flooded. Stop blaming natural variation and Ice Epochs on human beings. It was doing the same thing millions and billions of years before we ever arrived.
Climate HomeAugust 15, 2014 9:47 am
Hi Rocketdan You're absolutely correct to say many leaders will not be taking part - India's Narendra Modi yesterday said he won't be there. But it doesn't follow that those countries will therefore not make commitments. That's something for the UN's official negotiations process - which is quite separate from the BKM meeting. Germany already has CO2 commitments as part of the EU (which will be out in October). And Merkel recently pledged $1bn to the Green Climate Fund. Oz, Russia + Canada are a different ball game - and it will be fascinating to see if their leaders attend (Tony Abbott won't) and what they'll say. Japan, post tsunami, is regarded as in a different category, although there are hints the government is moving back to limited use of nuclear. My point is the picture is far more nuanced than you suggest. But as you rightly say, it will even be interesting to see how Obama handles this. Best wishes, Ed King, RTCC editor
Climate HomeAugust 15, 2014 9:41 am
Thanks Cri - amended
shindigAugust 15, 2014 9:40 am
Holy moly, this meeting of minds cannot be a good thing. Given that Australia's not going to raise its target, nor agree to anything long term, and the US can't do anything more than its paltry 4% target, then this lot, with the Canadians and the New Zealanders, spell big trouble for both Lima and Paris. Especially if the Australian delegation behaves like it did in Warsaw.
WarrenAugust 15, 2014 2:35 am
@STEVIETEES: Here's what the science says... 1) Volcanic activity can account for ~10% of the observed global warming from 1979 to 2005. Between 1889 and 2006 volcanic activity had a small net cooling effect on global temperatures. Volcanoes have not caused the long-term global warming over the past century, and can explain only a small fraction of the warming over the past 25 years. AND 2)Humans emit 100 times more CO2 than volcanoes. Solar: The Sun's effect on Climate over the last 30 years has been a very slight cooling; over long time periods, the sun's climate effect has an 11 year cycle, and in any case is much smaller than the Greenhouse effect, from CO2.
WarrenAugust 15, 2014 1:59 am
You say 'Scientific Facts' that support your view or position. But what is your position?
CriAugust 14, 2014 10:12 pm
It is not one but TWO decades since the war is over.
Trena WorkmanAugust 14, 2014 5:05 pm
The Fund should look at supporting the TIST Project in Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania and India. They help over 70,000 poor farmers earn carbon income through planting millions of trees. TIST was voted the Best Offsetting Project in 2014 by Environmental Finance.
rocketdanAugust 14, 2014 4:38 pm
It is incredible that the author of this propaganda piece would never mention the nations who have already said they will not support the meeting, or at least won't offer any targets for CO2 reductions. Merkel from Germany stated she will not attend, meaning there will be no commitments from Germany. Japan has backed off any percentage pledge for CO2 reductions. Other countries including Australia, Canada and Russia, have stated an unwillingness to accept the basic premise that Climate Change can be stopped, as this article claims is the goal here. On top of this Germany has just announced their GDP growth for the quarter was negative while France's was flat again. Japan's growth was around -6.8%. Most of these countries now admit that their prior efforts to fight AGW have damaged their economies so getting big commitments when their economies are already hurting would be difficult. It will even be interesting to see how Obama handles this. It was planned in NYC so he could take the lead and show America's commitment which has been lacking for many years. Now that the President's numbers are falling and with elections coming up 2 months after the meeting Obama must realize that polls show Americans do not consider fighting Climate Change to be a priority. This conference looks like it will be as feckless as the prior 4 or 5 UNFCCCs.
HollyAugust 14, 2014 4:25 pm
Simultaneous march and activity in London too! Expecting a large march. And all the activity is most certainly not just for activists - for everyone concerned about climate change. Sure there will be some activists there, but focus really is on it being the People's Climate March, an opportunity for those concerned but not otherwise engaged.
WarrenAugust 14, 2014 2:39 pm
"If they're smart they're building coal fired power plants''. I agree that may be smart for their local short term standard of living, but it's a negative factor for the world's climate. (Another, and I would say, even more pressing issue for many of these LCDs is improving governance, reducing corruption, putting in place the rule of law and infrastructure, and thereby encouraging entrepeneurs to invest in the country.) In the meantime, yes, the LCDs have a crying need for power. The challenge is to develop and invest in practical renewable energy sources for these countries that can satisfy their energy needs, while not aggravating the very problem they're facing for the longer term --adaption to Climate Change.
WarrenAugust 14, 2014 1:05 pm
The evidence for AGW is overwhelming, and well laid out in 10s of thousands of peer reviewed papers by independent researchers around the world. Those findings are summarized in the IPCC Assessments. . Your post begins with the phrase "the Scientific Facts" in response to my post asking Rich balance for his sources for his opposing view, vs my view, which I share with the IPCC, ALL the Science Academies, the Pentagon, Exxon, and Chevron. Please tell what position you hold instead of theirs, and the sources for the particular evidence you allude to in your post, and for your conclusions. I've given you my view as well as my sources.
JSAugust 14, 2014 9:42 am
These youths would benefit from some Climate Lessons: http://climate lessons.blogspot.com
Mark J.August 14, 2014 7:29 am
Ladies and Gentlemen, human population control is a top priority for establishing a stable climate. Countries reduce their greenhouse gases by 10% but when population increases by 15% in a year you have more people coming of age who want to consume fossil fuels. Education is key here and it must be done and programs must be set up.
KylaAugust 14, 2014 6:42 am
Now that's a novel approach. Great when we can take garbage and make it productive!
Steve MortonAugust 14, 2014 6:38 am
Yes, of course it's easy to yell and scream that we need to take control of the situation. But not when it hurts your own economy...
Steve MortonAugust 14, 2014 6:37 am
Agree!
Steve MortonAugust 14, 2014 6:34 am
Still waiting for a study about causation not just corrolation. Thought this might be one, but still just theories.
Barry MooreAugust 13, 2014 7:42 pm
Scientific facts. Now produce your scientific facts that support the role of CO2 in climate change.
Barry MooreAugust 13, 2014 7:35 pm
Rob from the rich and give to the poor that is the UNs objective and they will tell any amount of lies to achieve it. Yes it is time to shut the UN down it is a corrupt hypocritical organization .
Robin_GuenierAugust 13, 2014 6:32 pm
Good - so we both think agreement is unlikely. That's the reality to which I was referring. As for your continuing assertion about "the Academies", you seem already to have forgotten my quotations from "Darwin's bulldog" and Einstein. I suggest you go back and consider them. In any case, I've demonstrated quite clearly that the Chinese Academy of Sciences does not conclude that "Man is the Cause". Here's an extract from the recent comment on their website: " ... worldwide scientists are still skeptical and debate on the possible explanation of the global warming never ends. Research shows that the IPCC’s model tends to underestimate the impact of natural factors on the climate change, while overestimate that of the human activities." Read the whole thing - it's most interesting.
Robin_GuenierAugust 13, 2014 6:17 pm
Let's see now. You write: "NO Science Academy … of any standing disputes any aspect of AGW." And: "Check the websites for proof." So I do precisely that. And the first website I choose is that of the CAS (arguably the most important in view of China's pivotal role in climate negotiations). What do I find? (1) No sign of the promised statement and (2) a very recent CAS comment (on a June 2014 scientific paper) - a comment that in the plainest language expresses scepticism about the IPCC's model. You can find it here: http://english.cas.cn/ST/HT/ht_progress/201406/t20140617_122890.shtml So, on my very first attempt to follow your advice, I turn up clear evidence that your statement that "NONE dispute any aspect of AGW" is - not to put too fine a point on it - wrong. PS: I've no idea what the website for "The Albany Academies" (your link) has to do with this.
Not MotherAugust 13, 2014 4:18 pm
"Natural" non-human causes have killed many more fish and species than humans have. Mudslides, volcanoes, drought, floods, giant meteors. Don't be such an alarmist.
WarrenAugust 13, 2014 3:20 pm
These kids are on the side of Science and the Scientists....you appear to be on the other side.
DONAugust 13, 2014 2:53 pm
call for finance for this crap? Iraq, Syria, Countries in Africa, Ukraine, North Korea, Iran, Hamas we have more priorities to be on top of the list.....you SOB's needs to stop funding this SCAM otherwise just disband the UN
ChaskaAugust 13, 2014 2:47 pm
Barry - the "smartest" youth might not know all the science or need to debate a knowledgable scientist to prove themselves worthy of caring for people and planet - but what they sure do know is how to productively contribute to their community, or how to grow their own food, or use the wind, sun and water, appreciate and respect nature and others and by all means take action towards a better situation than what we've got going on right now. At least they know what is at stake and are aiming for justice. It's not about facts, it's whether you think that people and the planet are worth it - and thankfully the youth seem to have one fact straight: Yes, definitely worth it. Ubuntu - that's what I learned with YOUNGO in Durban and Solidarity - that's what I learned in Doha. Y Lima - volveremos herman@s !
WarrenAugust 13, 2014 12:59 pm
Agreed. Unfortunately, the no- nothing's who would fight against the teaching of evolution or Climate Change Science are also part of the problem.
nicsmurthAugust 13, 2014 12:30 pm
Oh dear another nutty rightwing climate change denying think tank. That all we need.
freshfor88August 13, 2014 11:24 am
you mean the science featuring 97% of scientists agreeing on climate change?
Andrew DaviesAugust 13, 2014 11:11 am
These kids know what's up. There will be plenty of adults who tell them that they shouldn't be involved, that they should leave it to the older/wiser ones. But that's just what they always say.
EricAugust 13, 2014 9:30 am
...said an anonymous comment on the internet.
EricAugust 13, 2014 9:30 am
That's rather patronising to the young people involved, don't you think? 'Easily propagandized'? Sounds like you've been pretty well proagandized to me.
BrennanAugust 12, 2014 7:55 pm
Hmmm . . . might want to check your definitions. adjective: totalitarian 1. of or relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state. These kids are all ranting AGAINST their nation-states.
MaggieSk8August 12, 2014 7:51 pm
These young people are intelligent and speak for themselves. Did you bother to actually listen to them? Your comments and Per Strandberg's are what appear a bit drone-like to me.
BrennanAugust 12, 2014 7:51 pm
If it's propaganda, it's been VERY effective. 94% of millenials agree with these kids ===> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sara-horowitz/94-of-millennials-want-to_b_5618309.html Utopia here we come! Count me in!
MaggieSk8August 12, 2014 7:49 pm
These young leaders are so inspiring and they give me hope. Aisha Niyaz's speech was especially powerful. You forgot about Zack Kopplin who is fighting to keep religion and political ideology out of the science classroom and also Ta'Kaiya Blaney who is fighting against tar sands oil in Canada.
Alec SevinsAugust 12, 2014 7:14 pm
Rest assured, people will blunder along in the gluttonous pursuit of economic growth and a spill will be inevitable. Nothing has really been learned over centuries of hasty decisions. People assume that someone will always clean up their messes later. No place on Earth is safe from industrialization, and that includes all the wind turbines being built on rural lands.
WarrenAugust 12, 2014 4:45 pm
I should wake up to reality? Lets review the bidding: I said, and believe, an agreement is unlikely, just as you have, but I add 'is possible'. You say you are 'agnostic' on the science even though all the Academies (you say 'authorities' --your semantic mischaracterization to avoid the meaning of 'experts') conclude Earth is Warming and Man is the Cause. I support the same conclusions from my reading of the Science. So I need to wake up to reality, but you are realistic? Not so much.
RimfireAugust 12, 2014 4:05 pm
More baloney from the rich environmentalists.
climate-justice.infoAugust 12, 2014 3:16 pm
Hi Paul, I completed the registration form as an academic at the Universidad de La Sabana (as I then was) and submitted comments in the expert-review phase, particularly on the parts relating to the international agreement, ethics, equity and sustainable development. A.
climate-justice.infoAugust 12, 2014 3:09 pm
Hi Enjoyer... apologies for delay in replying, I only just got the notification. Anyway, It's not the "use" or "harnessing" of nature that people are concerned about but its privatisation and conversion into a product that is removed from the commons and then used to enrich a few whilst providing very little of the "clean water, affordable energy or plentiful food supplies" that you talk about. The term also refers particularly to the creation of "offset" markets - the idea that you can damage nature somewhere but if you do something else "good" somewhere else it's ok... an idea that fails to understand the interconnectedness of natural systems (for biodiversity offsets) and a proven failure for carbon. You may like this piece by Monboit that explains it in more detial - http://www.monbiot.com/2014/07/24/the-pricing-of-everything/
Barry MooreAugust 12, 2014 1:43 pm
Is this the best they have got. A bunch of grade school kids, brainwashed by greedy politicians and they know it all. I will guarantee that if the smartest of them was to debate a knowledgeable scientist we would find out how little they know and this is supposed to impress us? Quit the propaganda and publish facts the only problem is you do not have any.
Tam O'ShanterAugust 12, 2014 1:38 pm
Good news. The disgracefully almost unanimous vote for the Climate Change Act revealed a grossly ill-informed and unbalanced, some would say unhinged, set of MPs.
WarrenAugust 12, 2014 12:26 pm
Check out national academies.org and you will find "joint statement of the national academies" which is signed by 11 national academies, including the CAS. It begins with "climate change is real" and continues on to endorse the IPCC conclusions as well as the need for action. This is the official position statement of the CAS. Suggest you dig deeper next time
Robin_GuenierAugust 12, 2014 9:15 am
I like the "my friend" bit. Usually a sign of being on the back foot. As for twisting words - I most certainly did not say that because there was a consensus the science was called into question. Either find the quotation - or stop unwise misrepresentation. What I said was that "one of [the Enlightenment's] most basic tenets was the rejection of the medieval idea that science was what important people said it was – in other words the rejection of authority". Yet you seem keen on on the perpetuation of that medieval idea. I have just given you a comment on the Academy point - perhaps you haven't yet seen it. As for the "issue" meriting "responsible action, and soon" you may be right - contrary to your arrogant assumption about my view on the science, I'm entirely agnostic. You may be right. But what I do know is - and few people seem willing to face up t this - the issue is not getting the action you think it merits and shows no sign of ding so. Time to wake up to reality.
RBPHDAugust 12, 2014 2:49 am
Bad logic leads to bad policy. The Keystone XL would increase the efficiency of the crude transport system. With or with-out the Keystone the crude will go to market.
ReduceGHGsAugust 11, 2014 11:11 pm
We should each ask ourselves... What am I doing to get our governments to address climate change? Too many members of the U.S. Congress are blocking legislation to reduce emissions. Either they cater to vested fossil fuel interests or some political agenda. Either way, they put future generations at risk. Join the efforts to confront them and have them removed. Our future generations are worth the effort. ExhaustingHabitability(dot)org
WarrenAugust 11, 2014 10:21 pm
You twist words, my friend. YOU indeed made the ludicrous argument that because there was consensus, the validity of the science is THEREFORE called into question. I've told you my position --from my own reading of the science (against which you offer no scientific arguments in opposition), affirmed by all the academies (for which you have no answer other than 'consensus is not science'), and my reading of the skeptics arguments (which I find to be wanting). Your position also seems clear; you are a lawyer, not a scientist, and accordingly haven't made science based arguments, and yet don't accept the consensus of the Academies or of peer-reviewed papers, which can mean only one thing: You don't like the answer -- that Man is Warming the Earth through the burning of fossil fuels. I leave it to the judgment given to us by the evidence: the rate of planetary warming since 1880- unprecedented in millennia, the 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 science the early 1800s and the underlying physics of the Greenhouse Effect, the precipitous decline in global ice packs, migration of species, rising sea levels, ongoing decreases in the difference between nighttime low temperatures and daytime highs, the cooling of the stratosphere due to the absorption of infrared thermal radiation by Greenhouse Gases, and much more. Finally, your critique of the International Process seems suspiciously negative -- you seem to prefer to focus on evidence of hypocrisy rather than competence or gravitas - I presume since those characteristics would validate the view of Science and the International Community that the issue merits responsible action, and soon.
lsk1956August 11, 2014 9:37 pm
This article says a lot without really saying anything at all. So what are those countries doing to adapt to climate change? Based on the information provided here they are "adapting", whew! Glad that's cleared up...
Per StrandbergAugust 11, 2014 7:09 pm
This is child abuse. Like most totalitarian utopian movements and CAGW is a totalitarian movement, they love to mobilize innocent easily propagandized children to further their cause.
realheadlineAugust 11, 2014 6:16 pm
These indoctrinated drones should serve as a warning to free thinking people everywhere. Totalitarians are not your friend.
Robin_GuenierAugust 11, 2014 6:00 pm
My congratulations to the moderator - publishing that was really quick. Thanks!
dougmanxxAugust 11, 2014 5:25 pm
If they're smart, they are building coal fired power plants. And an electric distribution system. Cheap electricity is the key to modern technology and civilization. Modern technology and civilization are how you adapt more easily to a changing climate. Once you have access to cheap power and more modern technology, it doesn't really matter what the climate does. Colder. Warmer. You can do SOMETHING to adapt. Much easier than if you are cooking with a dung fire inside a hide hut, while scratching out a bare subsistance on your farm with the single ox pulled plow. Tractors. Fertilizer. Modern farming techniques. All due to cheap power and modern technology. So build coal fired power plants, and yeah, get rid of your corrupt governments. Because most of the time it isn't the environment, or the climate, keeping these places poor.
Robin_GuenierAugust 11, 2014 3:50 pm
As promised just now, here's my comment on your claims about the world's top science academies. Here are three of your (many) statements: "All 200 of the top Science Academies … of the World have published reports or statements concluding that Earth is warming and Man is the Cause. NONE dispute any aspect of AGW." "NO Science Academy … of any standing disputes any aspect of AGW." "Check the websites for proof." So, taking you at your word, I checked the website of the Chinese Academy of Sciences: http://english.cas.cn But, despite a careful search, I couldn't find any report or statement. You seem so sure about this that I must have missed it. Please help. But I did find something most interesting. Try this yourself: type "anthropogenic global warming" into the search box - the top hit is to a report "High Correlations ...". Click on that. You find it's a CAS report on research published (in Chinese) in "Chinese Science Bulletin" in June of this year. The opening paragraph of the report - remember this is a Chinese Academy of Sciences statement - is most interesting. Having referred to the IPCC claim that anthropogenic GHG "contributed to as much as 90% or even higher" of observed temperature increases, it goes on to say this: "However, worldwide scientists are still skeptical and debate on the possible explanation of the global warming never ends. Research shows that the IPCC’s model tends to underestimate the impact of natural factors on the climate change, while overestimate that of the human activities." (The rest of the CAS's comment is equally interesting - and, I suggest, revealing.) "NONE dispute any aspect of AGW." Hmm ... it seems you may have got that wrong.
Robin_GuenierAugust 11, 2014 3:09 pm
Let's see now. In 1992, 154 countries met in Rio and formed the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCC). Its objective was at achieve "stabilization of greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere ..." So here we are 22 years later - how's it going? Well, despite the growth of numerous and increasingly complex bureaucracies, seemingly countless climate conferences and negotiations (often with thousands of participants), hundreds of "agreed" targets and the advent of a massively expensive and expanding climate change industry, fossil fuel emissions and CO2 atmospheric concentrations have continued their inexorable rise - if anything they've increased: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=110boly&s=8#.U-jIqVYmxJM. So what's next? Hmm ... it's been "agreed" to try and reach an agreement that, if it is agreed, will be effective in 2020 - i.e. 28 years after Rio. And, assuming there is such an agreement, the prospect of it being at all meaningful now looks increasingly unlikely. See my comment here: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/08/08/basic-group-urges-rich-countries-to-act-on-climate-change/ Yet this abject failure has come about despite a legion of apocalyptic warnings and deadlines issued by assorted dignitaries - such as Rajendra Pachauri (see above). If you really think that drawing attention to this appalling history is trivial nitpicking, I'm sorry for you.
jabbadonutAugust 11, 2014 2:02 pm
How are the world's poor preparing? I'd say it would be best if they make sure that their wills are up to date.
Robin_GuenierAugust 11, 2014 1:42 pm
So it seems that our slow motion discussion continues - a pity the RTCC moderator cannot speed it up. Especially perhaps as probably only you and I are any longer interested. For an engineer your grasp of logic seems to be strangely deficient: the fact that a scientific hypothesis is not validated by a consensus of opinion does mean that it is therefore validated by a lack of consensus. Surely you can see that? As for those "independent scientists" whom you believe have arrived "at similar conclusions about AGW", a few questions. Which independent scientists? What are their specific areas of study? What are their similar conclusions about AGW? And, above all, how do you know? In answering that, please respond to my invitation to tell me where you think I got it wrong in my submission to the UK government select committee. I've now asked you twice. Thanks. I see you're still obsessed with your understanding that "every single Academy comes to the same conclusion". Well, for the reasons I've already stated, I don't think the opinions of a lot of important people are particularly relevant. But you obviously do - so, somewhat reluctantly, I will deal with it. But, as you understandably don't like long posts, I'll do so separately.
budzy1911August 11, 2014 12:22 pm
The kids are revolutionized because the schools have stopped teaching science and are pushing liberal agendas.
Hege M. Norheim, SVP StatoilAugust 11, 2014 11:25 am
Looking forwards to discussing price on carbon, reductions of methane and global flaring and the tremendous task of energy efficiency, through technology, technology, technology!
Anna GintyAugust 11, 2014 7:43 am
Gary Williams - just what is silly beyond reason? The only nonsensical item I can discern, has come from your own post.
Asok AsusAugust 10, 2014 5:58 pm
[gathered in a UN-backed event in Venezuela ... to combat climate change ... by ending "hegemonic capitalism"]. Right. And they picked the absolutely most perfect spot possible to show how well ending "hegemonic capitalism" works as compared to before it was ended. A true stroke of genius to demonstrate how well their proposals function because we already see how much "climate change" has been "reduced" in Venezuela as well as the tremendous improvement in the average Venezuelan's life. And paid for to boot with YOUR U.S. tax dollars as almost all U.N. operations are paid for!
annie hayesAugust 10, 2014 1:33 pm
Richard Tol is formally listed on the Global Warming Policy Foundation site (referred to by another site as Great Britain's most high profile climate denying association ) as one of its academic advisors.
Keith OliverAugust 9, 2014 4:54 pm
Advances in the technology of aviation has come a long way to include the fuel used! Soon those airliners that have been using fossil fuels will be replaced with one that is battery powered.
WarrenAugust 9, 2014 2:13 pm
I disagree. We only have two choices: 1) To continue on the current course, and force our grandchildren and theirs to pay the enormous costs of adaption to a 3C, and eventually much higher, rise in Earth's temperature, and for all the consequences, or 2) we pay much less now, through policies such as carbon tax, to start reducing emissions. Economists, such as Yale's William Nordhaus, estimate those costs of mitigation as between 1 and 1.5% of incomes, to stabilize warming, and spent through a carbon tax, cap or trade, or similar national policy. Yes, you would take a cut in pay. Its either that or force your grandkids to pay much, much more to adapt. We're leaving them enough of a burden in terms of the national debt. I vote to prevent the biggest of all burdens being left to them.
Paul HoganAugust 9, 2014 11:26 am
What exactly is the problem with carbon dioxide? Answers preferably on a postcard please.
JimKAugust 9, 2014 4:10 am
Yeah that makes sense...raise air ticket prices so it's cheaper to drive and put more cars on the road. You climate nuts are wack.
WarrenAugust 9, 2014 1:51 am
The consensus on the Science, and on the conclusion that mankind must act, is stronger than ever, around the world. It's time for politicians in the US, Australia, and Canada to follow the UK's lead, abandon their hand wringing over 'could this report be flawed' and instead ask themselves 'could it be right?', and if so, do we dare to avoid action, given the deadly consequences for the world if we continue to oppose? These are profound questions, for Scientists estimate the probability of damaging consequences at 90%. Who among us thinks he is so brilliant as to see the odds as the other way round, while all of the Science Academies agree with the IPCC? It's time for the Deniers to stop fighting the inevitable and recognize they are on the same planet as the rest of us, inexorably warming, and threatening the future of our grandchildren and theirs.
GuarionexSandovalAugust 8, 2014 7:59 pm
Oh, how quickly people shoot up to extreme levels of idiocy who start from faulty premises. And how quickly in their wake those follow who lack the requisite knowledge and proper degree of skepticism.
Cliff DayAugust 8, 2014 7:49 pm
It used to be called Global Warming, but since we've been having cooler than normal weather they had to change it to Climate Change! It totally BS, they just want to Tax away the Middle Class!
Bob ArmstrongAugust 8, 2014 7:17 pm
Let's all go back to sail boats and a global population a tenth today's and a lifespan of 40 years , all on the thoroughly disproved notion that the building block of life will destroy that which it enables .
WarrenAugust 8, 2014 5:59 pm
Seems obvious...time is running out for action to be taken. Every years delay means that the cost and extent of actions to mitigate will become more onerous, and the temperature rise that can be expected will be greater. I think you're now 'picking the fly specks out of the pepper.'
Robin_GuenierAugust 8, 2014 2:20 pm
Reported here also: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/BASIC-nations-vow-to-take-united-stand-against-rich-nations-over-climate-change-negotiations/articleshow/39868730.cms After the two major negotiating sessions (in Bonn) earlier this year, no progress was made towards resolving what Alden Meyer (Union of Concerned Scientists) has described as the two "thorniest issues of the negotiations" (http://www.rtcc.org/2014/06/13/lack-of-finance-holding-up-un-talks-say-worlds-poorest/), namely (1) whether the division between developed and developing countries enshrined in the original UN Convention should apply to the Paris agreement and (2) the deep divide on finance revealed by China's insistence that a legally binding provision of massive funding from the developed to the developing economies should be a precondition of a Paris deal. Yet, far from resolving these issues, the BASIC meeting has exacerbated them: (1) According to the Times of India, an objective of the BASIC team "is to ensure that the differentiation between developed and developing countries finds its place in the 2015 climate deal" (2) According to this RTCC article, the BASIC team "demanded demanded “immediate and substantial capitalisation” of the Green Climate Fund, which is seeking to raise US$15 billion by the end of the year." This development bodes ill for Paris 2015.
Les BlevinsAugust 8, 2014 1:44 pm
The Chinese are willing to sign a global warming reduction pact if the U.S. agrees to increase greenhouse technology cooperation, and so I've contacted the U.S. State Department in an effort to disclose and explain a new means of helping the Chinese reduce carbon emissions but no one there in the State Department will return my calls or contact me via email. Why is that?
WarrenAugust 8, 2014 12:44 pm
You say '(consensus) is not how science is done'. Don't you think that's rather a silly argument? By that standard, you would have to conclude that if scientists were in wide disagreement, then, Ipso facto, AGW theory is MORE likely to be true. Really? Consensus is indeed NOT how independent scientists arrive at similar conclusions about AGW. To say so us to imply conspiratorial collaboration. Rather, consensus is a measure of how well the evidence points to a valid conclusion! I certainly feel more confident about my conclusions about the evidence are valid, after finding out that every single Academy comes to the same conclusion, not less confident!
Travh20August 7, 2014 11:07 pm
So which is it, we have 10-20 years to stop climate change or it is already here? If it is already here, why is it only the bad things that happen that are attributed to it?
Robin_GuenierAugust 7, 2014 10:11 pm
Regarding Academies (and other "authorities"), see my very recent post above. Regarding the possibility of a middle ground being reached - well the very best that can happen is that some (almost certainly unsatisfactory) "agreement" will be signed to do something after 2020. Yet we were once told (by the so-called authorities) that 2009 was the "make or break" year. And here's Rajendra K. Pachauri (chairman of the IPCC) in 2007: "“If there’s no action before 2012, that’s too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/17/science/earth/17cnd-climate.html?pagewanted=print) It doesn't inspire much confidence that these important people know what they're talking about.
richardAugust 7, 2014 10:00 pm
I, for one, happen to agree with the idea of limiting populations... Not for climate problems, though, but for all the other problems associated with large populations, such as hunger, welfare, land use ( think forest instead of concrete ), reductions in carbon dioxide ( used by plants & trees, which then emit oxygen ).
Robin_GuenierAugust 7, 2014 9:54 pm
So, Warren, your background is in science and engineering. That being the case, I’m surprised that you seem to put such enormous weight on what various scientific academies, other eminent authorities and so-called “mainstream” scientists are supposed to believe about AGW. It’s something you’ve demonstrated over and over again in this exchange. I’m no scientist, but I have studied the history of science and, in particular, the scientific method and how it developed as a result of the Enlightenment. It was a remarkable human achievement and essentially the basis of human society as the more advanced economies experience it today. And one of its most basic tenets was the rejection of the medieval idea that science was what important people said it was – in other words the rejection of authority. That’s not how science is done. And I won’t bore you with the numerous examples of concepts that were widely believed by the scientific establishment but were eventually shown to be false. Instead, I’ll offer you two quotations: First, Thomas Huxley (“Darwins’s bulldog” - http://creation.com/darwins-bulldog-thomas-h-huxley): “Every great advance in natural knowledge has involved the absolute rejection of authority.” And then Albert Einstein: “Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth.” As for that “high degree of agreement among independent researchers”, I refer you (again) to this: http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/WrittenEvidence.svc/EvidenceHtml/4191. And I invite you tell me where you think I’ve got it wrong. Thanks.
tmalthus2010August 7, 2014 9:49 pm
A pertinent question would be what percentage of scientists are women. A competent writer who wasn't pushing gender propaganda would know this.
KennyAugust 7, 2014 8:23 pm
There is always a shortage of woman and or minorities in a liberal setting. It is amazing how they have brainwashed people into believing its every one else who hate woman and are racist.
kcy2014August 7, 2014 7:23 pm
World ends tomorrow. Women and minorities hit hardest.
shindigAugust 7, 2014 2:52 pm
The transcript doesn't explain anything, unlike what we were led to believe by Tol. It reads more like a Monckton-style "blind with incomprehensible statements, answer anything but the question - and thrown in a lot of ad hominem" rant. Unbecoming to a Professor I'd have thought. Ackerman, on the other hand, appears to quite calmly and rationally explain what he meant.
shindigAugust 7, 2014 2:49 pm
well actually KCY2014 it didn't start there. Here's a short history of the scientific understanding of global warming. http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
NicholBAugust 7, 2014 12:46 pm
If we're all have to have fewer children, the whole social structure will be changed to make sure that everybody will still be able to live to old age with friends and whatever support is needed. We should all look at the countries that are making this transition first and learn from them: Japan, Europe, China.. How can we make sure that people can have a meaningful job at old age, keep learning new things?
Richard GibbardAugust 7, 2014 12:21 pm
Did I read this correctly, that the world's population needs to be stabilized at 7.5 MILLION? How many wars and plagues will that take?
todaysguestisAugust 7, 2014 10:11 am
Alice Bows-Larkin she's who you want. http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/people/staff/academic-staff/profile/index.htm?staffId=32
JodyAugust 7, 2014 5:14 am
Samoan Youth Brianna Fruean should be on this list.
Bill_BeckhamAugust 7, 2014 2:55 am
Then the Indian minister needs to eliminate half his population, and you know how well that will go over the populous.
joe petroskyAugust 7, 2014 2:38 am
Please motivate me by going first.
Mother Nature will fix itAugust 7, 2014 1:57 am
At a presentation of the UN’s IPCC climate science study in Delhi, Jitendra Singh said stabilisation of population was an “urgent need” according to a government report of his speech." Very true but it seems most people want it taken care of by the four horseman. Oh well, mother nature does not care about humans and will unleash something to rectify the problem. Humans have the wherewithal to solve the problem but that requires a willingness to limit human population. Since that solution is not acceptable by everyone, it off to the conquest, war, pestilence and death.
WarrenAugust 7, 2014 1:20 am
When all the Science Academies of the world conclude Earth is Warming and Man is the cause, the Pentagon, Exxon and Chevron incorporate Climate Change into their long range planning, and 99% of peer-reviewed research papers conclude the same, what are your sources for the opposite view?
John FairplayAugust 6, 2014 11:32 pm
If everyone who publicly frets about global overpopulation would simply show they have the courage of their convictions and kill themselves right away, this problem would be solved.
rockyvnvmcAugust 6, 2014 8:34 pm
Certain uber wealthy 'Global Elites' have determined that, according to them, the world can only 'sustain' from between 300 - 500 million human beings. There are, currently around about 7 Billion humans residing upon this planet. Some, including the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, have plans to utilize eugenics methods (Google it) for determining who is worthy of being allowed to live and who must be 'removed' from the gene base. ala Margret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) and her avid fan Adolph Hitler. We all recall who he deemed unfit for life and what he did about it... This is some scary stuff, folks. These people have the money to drive this program forward and, indeed, are currently doing exactly that. re; UN Agenda 21
juancarnubaAugust 6, 2014 5:56 pm
The oceans absorb CO2 when they're cooler, release CO2 as they warm up. Henry's Law. Not the other way around.
WarrenAugust 6, 2014 3:00 pm
You're making nuanced arguments as a well trained barrister would; I can't dispute, or support, what you say. My background is Science and Engineering, not law; I spent my career as a corporate VP of Engineering, while working on Climate Change policy matters in DC. I support the mainstream Scientific view of AGW for three reasons (not in priority order): First, I believe the skeptic's arguments (I've read most of them) lack either completeness, sound scientific reasoning, or fail to take into account all the evidence. None pass the 'smell test' of sound Science, at least for me. Second, as I prepared to teach Climate Science in retirement, I found my readings of the mainstream Science compelling. Third, since I am not a PhD Climate Scientist, nor a researcher, the first two reasons would not be enough to make a solid case. But the unanimous positions of the Academies, as well as the high degree of agreement among independent researchers,(whether 97.1% or something else seems a distraction), in combination with the first two points, was convincing. Finally, Scientific debate is still robust --about details, not so much about basics. I find the most convincing point is the data on Climate Forcings -- showing that increases in Greenhouse Effect caused by increased Greenhouse gas presence in the atmosphere --far outweighs any other effect. I find this a rock solid argument -- convincing me that as long as Man continues to add GHGs to the atmosphere the planet will continue to warm.
WarrenAugust 6, 2014 2:19 pm
Rather than arguing about semantics of my use of the word 'spokesman', which is wandering way off topic, the original point of my post was that the Chinese Academy, like all the Worlds Major Academies, maintains a formal position endorsing the basic IPCC view that Earth is Warming and Man is the Cause. As long as all Academies support that view, and none dispute it, it seems impossible to argue that the Scientific view on the validity of AGW is anything but well established. Regarding the rest of your sizeable posts, my experience with the Chinese attitude was as you've posted -- they want the West to bear the burden, we want the Chinese to do so. The issue is whether a middle ground, acceptable to both parties, can be reached. I don't propose that it can, or that it can't; just that it won't be easy to accomplish.
WarrenAugust 6, 2014 2:04 pm
You say, "No it doesn't". If you want to be believed, post the Academy's retraction, which, if it exists, would reduce the number of Scientific Academies and Professional Organizations endorsing the IPCC position from the top 200, to 199 out of 200, while no such organization maintains a formal position disputing any aspect of AGW.
John SmithAugust 6, 2014 1:53 pm
I looked it up before I posted, thanks. Some have, Europe has not
sinaAugust 6, 2014 5:56 am
The moment of reality has finally arrived .Africa must be powered out of darkness Let this be the basic minimum for serious economic development initiative
Craig L'holzAugust 6, 2014 5:50 am
yes, the temperatures can drop dramatically after ecological systems get way out of balance. In the mean time, the vectors made possible by degrading mechanisms of ecology will heat up like an out of tune car engine with a stuck thermostat keeping flows to the radiator from working (While the driver puts the gas pedal to the metal and has the heater going with the windows rolled up nearer to closed.... the earths core and incoming energy from sun makes us lucky that space is relatively very cold, might give a bit more time to drive the car to the shop, unless god tows us in:) Oh, and those pesky polar vortices - erratic responses to mixing of hot and cold, ramping up via an electrical short between the heater's blower and a deep freeze in the back seat that is draining the battery (Battery of cold sinks like ice that is melting, currently). Oversimplified, kind of, but if you,ve ever had vagus nerve problems, ormajor fever, or One major obstruction of artery or minor nerve pdamage in the right place, one can understand that slight diffetences make a majjor difference. I know, a little off the topic, yet similar. As to the causes / prrscription / most logical scientists have it right now, enabling solutions is where we need to be turning the steering wheel including honoring / collaborating with the rich and valuable in many an indigenous persons education of and through working with nature, more frequently.
Craig L'holzAugust 6, 2014 5:41 am
More people are realizing that new (to them, or in their distant past) ways need to be learned, adopted, changed-out, and or integrated. Hang in there Grinch (and or be even more the change)
Craig L'holzAugust 6, 2014 5:29 am
Nice application!
Craig L'holzAugust 6, 2014 5:17 am
Pathetic whiny response. And, alternatives (new & old) have been viable for a while now.... why aren't they more utilized. Because naysayers and biased people will go to war to feed and drink from a deadly cash cow.
BartAugust 6, 2014 12:13 am
Want to find your way to my parallel universe? 1. Simplify your assumptions to the fewest necessary to apply inference to all available observations. 2. Be parsimonious of allowing exceptions to the explanations dictated by logic from step 1. 3. Select the explanation from step 2 which most universally explains phenomena observed. 4. Hold to be accurate or very nearly true the explanation from step 3, until such time as new observation require amendment of the explanation or entirely discredit it. You'll find Isaac Newton first described this parallel universe and its laws and principles three hundred years ago, in his Principia.
Cain AbelAugust 5, 2014 11:28 pm
@ Warren "the Academy's official, published statement remains and it endorses the IPCC conclusions" No it doesn't. The positive retroaction is not a sure thing.
M JAugust 5, 2014 11:18 pm
But here's the problem: until that happens, money IS the most efficient way to trade what I have that someone needs for what I need but cannot make myself. That is WHY money is defined in economics textbooks as a medium of exchange, unit of account, store of value etc. Even in Cree and other "native american" societies this was true -- they used wampum as money, so that the Dutch buying Manhattan Island for $24 were really forgers, debasing the currency. So insightful though that apocryphal Cree saying may be, it does NOT point the way out of our impending doom: only forcing the users of carbon-based energy to pay for the FULL cost of carbon -- including the costs it imposes on future generations -- can channel for strengths of a market-based society to the immense problem of cutting GHG emissions and maybe even removing some of the CO2 from the atmosphere. Now as if this wasn't all sad enough already, what is even more sad is that the people who are doing all this damage to all our future generations will not live long enough to see "the last tree cut down" etc. It is their descendants who will suffer it -- when there is nothing that can be done to stop it.
Eli RabettAugust 5, 2014 10:30 pm
Mr. King, thank you for the transcript.
Eli RabettAugust 5, 2014 10:29 pm
NO, only with high frequency traders who appear to be winning
Gary WilliamsAugust 5, 2014 10:14 pm
This is silly beyond reason. total nonsense.
WarrenAugust 5, 2014 10:06 pm
Thanks for the top-notch post --explaining the logic of embedding the cost of carbon to move us from a high carbon economy towards low carbon alternatives. May I recommend 'The Climate Casino' by Yale's William Nordhaus -- comparing policy alternatives ..carbon tax, cap and trade, command and control, subsidies. Carbon tax wins. But IMO, before a carbon tax there must be an International Treaty committing the major nations of the world to reduce emissions -- along the lines of the Montreal Protocol-- for two reasons: First, without China, the EU and Japan in addition to the US, not much can change, since US GHG emissions are only 17% of the world's total. Second, when voters find out they're being asked to support a new tax, and that the climate benefits will be insignificant, I doubt it can pass. There is a chance, however: If the Administration signs a treaty, the Senate ratifies it, then policy can possibly move forward. Still, it won't be easy, given the 2009 failure of Cap and Trade in the Senate, when both Congress and the Pres were pro-environment Democrats.
MattAugust 5, 2014 9:36 pm
Piers Corbyn does not have mixed reviews from those who have actually looked at his forecasts. They have a success rate that is statistically significant. Whether he's right about Co2 is another matter
MattAugust 5, 2014 7:18 pm
Piers Corbyn does not have mixed reviews from those who've actually taken the time to look at his forecasts. There is a definite statistical significance to his forecasts. Whether he's right about Co2 as well is not necessarily the case, but perhaps some part of what he says might be true. His explanation for the erratic weather of recent times certainly makes sense - that we're simply going through the same weather patterns as the early 1800s and late 1600s.
Robin_GuenierAugust 5, 2014 4:14 pm
A footnote to my earlier (but at the time of writing unpublished) reply to the above. The current Chinese negotiating position is set out here: http://unfccc.int/files/bodies/application/pdf/20140306-submission_on_adp_by_china__without_cover_page.pdf And outlined here: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/06/us-climate-china-idUKBREA251LT20140306 As you see, the doubts about AGW expressed by Ding Zhongli and Xie Zhenhua, far from "articulating political negotiating positions" are wholly incompatible with China's publicly expressed position. In view, as you say, of China's usually circumspect approach to negotiation (my initial experience of this was in 1979) these comments are odd - and interesting. After all, to express doubt about AGW would be at odds with China's clear determination to hold the West's feet to the fire. My guess is that they may have been inadvertent and uncharacteristic slips - note the "consternation" of China's negotiating partners reported here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/24/china-climate-change-adviser Whatever the truth of the matter (and I have a theory about it) they were hardly the views of official spokesmen expressing part of a "coordinated government policy".
Mad DogAugust 5, 2014 2:41 pm
Imaginary problems are so much easier to address than real problems.
WarrenAugust 5, 2014 2:31 pm
Actually, there is plenty of analysis, not just opinion, that supports your assertions. I recommend "the Climate Casino", by Yale's William Nordhaus; Nordhaus does a thorough job analyzing the economics of a carbon tax, and the tradeoffs of mitigation vs adaption. Paying for mitigation is an excellent, high payoff investment in our Grandkid's future.
WarrenAugust 5, 2014 2:20 pm
No they haven't dissented. The Academy sponsored a debate with skeptics to allow them to 'have their day' of discussion. But the Academy's official, published statement remains and it endorses the IPCC conclusions. Here is a segment of that statement: "We support the IPCC’s conclusion that it is at least 90% certain that temperatures will continue to rise, with average global surface temperature projected to increase by between 1.4 and 5.8C above 1990 levels by 2100. This increase will be accompanied by rising sea levels, more intense precipitation events in some countries, increased risk of drought in others, and adverse effects on agriculture, health and water resources."
Robin_GuenierAugust 5, 2014 8:43 am
Hmm - we're in danger here of arguing about semantics. But you're right about the Chinese being "very circumspect". That's why it was surprising that Ding and Xie made sceptical comments about AGW - which rather undermines China's insistence on the developed world's duty to compensate the developing for climate damage. Hardy the utterances of "spokesmen".
Robin_GuenierAugust 5, 2014 8:35 am
OK, so it seems our interesting exchange hasn't run its course. So let's examine the question as to whether or not there's strong worldwide scientific agreement on AGW. Well, you may find it helpful that I've set out my view on that here: http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/WrittenEvidence.svc/EvidenceHtml/4191 I'd be interested in your comments.
Cain AbelAugust 5, 2014 4:28 am
French Science Academy dissented in an important way about the "consensus".
Cain AbelAugust 5, 2014 3:55 am
In which parallel universe do you live?
WarrenAugust 5, 2014 2:25 am
This conservative Republican would like see the Climate Science Deniers peel away and form a new Party (they could call themselves the New Neanderthals), while the Republicans return to their roots -- free markets, pro-immigration reform, reaching across the aisle, objective, pro-environment like TR, respecters of facts and Science, and no longer captive to the 'Intelligent Design', 'No Climate Change", and 'the Earth is only 9000 years old' crowd. At the same time the IQ level of the party might double. When the public's condos on the seacoast start to wash away, or the droughts continue without end in the Southwest, the Republicans will lose whatever credibility they have left with the voters, unless the Neanderthals spin off. The sooner it happens, the better for the Party.
tomandersenAugust 5, 2014 1:17 am
Its fairly obvious that Tol has been excommunicated.
WarrenAugust 4, 2014 10:51 pm
Yes to your point on embedding the price of carbon in everyday transactions. It is the only strategy that can cause massive behavior changes among consumers, investors, producers, and innovators simultaneously. However the lesser point you make about oil company profits is irrelevant. Corporations are only a pass through entity --the degree to which you raise or eliminate taxes on companies, you merely raise or lower the cost of goods and services they produce. All tax costs are paid, in the end, only by shareholders (pensions, and individuals) and consumers in the goods they buy. So fiddling with oil company taxes won't do anything for you, me, or the environment, but embedding the price of carbon in everything, at the producer level, will start the economy on a transition to low carbon -- just what we need if we're serious about mitigation.
Will HeinlAugust 4, 2014 9:51 pm
I think the human cost will be much higher than monetary costs.
WarrenAugust 4, 2014 9:27 pm
This life long conservative Republican applauds Rubin for speaking the Truth about the findings of Science, as concluded by ALL 200 of the top Science Academies of the World, the IPCC, and as reflected by the Pentagon, Exxon and Chevron -- who abandoned opposition to Climate Change Science years ago-- in their long range planning, and my Corporation and others who recognize the long term effects of AGW. IMO, citizens with an ability to understand Science have an obligation to read and understand such an important issue, and those who lack training in the Sciences should consider the unanimous conclusions of the Science Academies when deciding how to vote, either for politicians or for policies that address the problem. We owe it to our Grandchildren, and to future generations.
BartAugust 4, 2014 5:19 pm
Dr. Tol seems loathe to admit his faults. Nordhaus, Ackerman, Stern the list of qualified economists taking issue with blatant and obvious problems in Tol's economics continues to grow. It's not about people who don't like Tol; it's about people who don't like bad scholarship repeated pushed on an unsuspecting public by a pop economist. Perhaps, Dr. Tol, it is time for introspection. When over a quarter of your sixteen sources are Nordhaus, and Nordhaus goes so far as to publicly rebuke your interpretation of his work, should your response really be to put on a flimsy charade of 'adapting' Nordhaus' work instead of admitting you've been schooled? When Ackerman finds issues, shouldn't you work on those issues rather than whinge that Ackerman has a 'skewed view of history'? What does history have to do with confirmation bias and cherry picking?
GeraldWilhiteAugust 4, 2014 4:49 pm
Mr. Rubin, former Secretary of the Treasury in the Clinton administration, brilliant deal-making Goldman-Sachs investment banker, and economist is at it again. He seems to thoroughly enjoy stirring up images of catastrophic threats that have no scientific basis. He is the secret captain of Obama's Fearmonger Team. Rubin applies his well-honed fear-mongering skills to set the stage for ripping off more of the scant resources the public sector. He pretends to be dedicated to improving the condition of the poor and middle class. Along the way he and Obama will likely destroy the Democratic Party. Rubin will pick up the pieces and rebuild it into the political force his supporting cadre of elitist super-rich multi-generational trust fund babies think they envision. The vision is Rubin's not theirs. When Mr. Rubin speaks keep your hand on your wallet. He is the dangerous puppetmaster of presidents, Senators, Congressman, Governors, and Bankers.
Climate HomeAugust 4, 2014 4:13 pm
The full transcript interview link is here (that link is to this story) http://www.rtcc.org/2014/08/04/tol-v-ackerman-debating-the-costs-of-climate-change/
BartAugust 4, 2014 3:50 pm
I've come a bit late to this party, but let's be clear that Economics is sharply divided on just about everything, and that's all fine. Economists are often compromised by their adherence to one political philosophy or another, and we all as grown-ups recognize and accept that up to a point. However, data manipulation and misleading argument is not fine. Tol clearly and repeatedly practices these methods in his writing and his use of the works of others. Anyone can confirm this for themselves, as Ackerman has adequately done. Why anyone bothers with Tol anymore is simply beyond me. It's like taking tax advice from Wesley Snipes.
BartAugust 4, 2014 3:41 pm
Hasn't Nordhaus repeatedly refuted Tol on Tol's use of Nordhaus' work?
WarrenAugust 4, 2014 3:19 pm
Some on his forum are either ignoring what the World's Scientists conclude, or reject the findings of modern science altogether: 'In 2009, the national science academies of the G8+5 nations issued a joint statement declaring, "Climate change and sustainable energy supply are crucial challenges for the future of humanity. It is essential that world leaders agree on the emission reductions needed to combat negative consequences of anthropogenic climate change". The statement references the IPCC's Fourth Assessment of 2007, and asserts that "climate change is happening even faster than previously estimated; global CO 2 emissions since 2000 have been higher than even the highest predictions, Arctic sea ice has been melting at rates much faster than predicted, and the rise in the sea level has become more rapid." The thirteen signatories were the same national science academies that issued the 2007 and 2008 joint statements.'
TKAugust 4, 2014 3:17 pm
I'd be very interested to know the technical features. TK
WarrenAugust 4, 2014 3:15 pm
From our interesting exchange, it seems you doubt there is strong worldwide agreement on AGW, or on the need for action. You didn't comment on my post that ALL 200 of the top Science Academies of the World conclude that Man is Warming the Earth, so let me post the official reactions to the IPCC 4th Assessment. Note that the G8+5 includes China. Worldwide Science Academy positions in response to the other IPCC Assessments are similar, and I can post them if this isn't enough for you: 'In advance of UNFCCC negotiations to be held in Copenhagen in December 2009, the national science academies of the G8+5 nations issued a joint statement declaring, "Climate change and sustainable energy supply are crucial challenges for the future of humanity. It is essential that world leaders agree on the emission reductions needed to combat negative consequences of anthropogenic climate change". The statement references the IPCC's Fourth Assessment of 2007, and asserts that "climate change is happening even faster than previously estimated; global CO2 emissions since 2000 have been higher than even the highest predictions, Arctic sea ice has been melting at rates much faster than predicted, and the rise in the sea level has become more rapid." The thirteen signatories were the same national science academies that issued the 2007 and 2008 joint statements'.
BartAugust 4, 2014 3:08 pm
What costs are those? The cost of removing subsidies from fossil fuel businesses? They're the most profitable businesses in the world; they sure don't pass along the savings to their customers. Why do they need subsidies? The cost of reducing income taxes and corporate taxes across the board and replacing the revenue with a price on CO2 emitting? That's a simple one-to-one shift from regressive payroll-type and hidden business taxes to retail tax on things with plentiful alternatives. In British Columbia, there was next to no measurable cost at all for that. The cost of moving to new solar, geothermal, wind, switching flood control reservoirs to hybrid pumped flood control/electricity generation-storage as coal burners age out? The alternatives are right now cheaper to build new than new coal. The cost of moving away from leaking pipelines and disaster-prone fuel trains, with explosions reported every week somewhere in the world? What cost are you talking about?
BartAugust 4, 2014 2:58 pm
America's Role in the Technetronic Era? What the heck is a technetron? But sure, let's make our own individual 'moral judgments about the actions of those who loot resources through lies, theft and murder.' It is self-evident that we each have a share in the air; try to alienate ownership of air from a person, and you kill us. We all need it. We each have equal share, as it is also self evident that we're created equal. The level of CO2 in the air is climbing because some are using more than their share to burn fossil fuels. It's just that simple: we're being stolen from by people who don't care about our equal share, and governments that refuse to enforce our rights. It is natural, normal, and a core value of capitalism to put a price on any scarce resource, for the government to enforce the regular rules of the Market on that resource, and for people who use more of a resource to pay more in proportion. What result do we see of the government's failure to put a price on CO2E emission? Firstly, there is a distortion in the economy as some enjoy excess profit at the expense of the businesses of all, just as any subsidy by government might do. Second, yes, we see the resource running out, the ability of the air to deal with CO2E dumping getting worse and worse. That's why we must call for governments to follow the lead of British Columbia, as recommended by the IMF, to put a price on carbon burning.
bernard townsendAugust 4, 2014 2:49 pm
England cut back its crop planting to about 40 percent, too much flooding going on from the arctic flow bringing continuous rain, California cut its crop production to about 40 percent, the drought is continuing, the workers won't be needed for planting, maintaining the crops or harvesting them, the transportation won't be needed, the people that process and package the goods won't be needed, it is a cascade effect that goes through a lot of different directions, the income from the workers won't be there to help the local economy where the people live, the measure of the loss from climate change is going to go way beyond money.
BartAugust 4, 2014 2:45 pm
The IMF can't be called left wing, and came out last week with far stronger arguments for carbon taxes than Rubin's. This is not a left-right thing. This is a can-do-math/can't-do-math thing. The IMF is pretty good at math. A guy who thinks it's all about control of the weather? Not so much.
Bjorn ThompsonAugust 4, 2014 2:36 pm
But hey, she cried, so..
Rich BalanceAugust 4, 2014 2:24 pm
When you envision future changes that can only be accomplished using political leverage. it does not matter to that person whether that leverage is valid. They believe it is valid because that is the only way they can see reaching their goals. This is why so many of these people will never accept the reality that there is no dangerous warming of our planet. In fact, we are likely to see cooling for several decades.
Thomas JAugust 4, 2014 12:57 pm
This is a complete reordering of global society. The Marxists are finally acheiving their goal. The socialist's caliphate...
you knowAugust 4, 2014 12:37 pm
The costs of believing the bullshit that spewth from Rubin's mouth are much more dangerous than the man made lie about global warming.
japhillipsAugust 4, 2014 12:23 pm
Rubin is another moron who thinks that Democrats and Left wingers can control the weather.. Obama said he can control the weather and the level of the oceans.. but we know that Obama is a liar.
Thomas JAugust 4, 2014 12:16 pm
It is even bigger than that. It is a complete reordering of global society. The Marxists are finally achieving their goal.
hom240 .August 4, 2014 11:57 am
Where is it going to cost us the most? Keep reading this excerpt. Taken strait out of Zbigniew Brzezinski book Between Two Ages. "To me, it’s natural for the power elites to talk like this and for decades to promote moral subjectivity via the education system and media. They don’t want to have citizens who are able to make moral judgments about the actions of those who loot resources through lies, theft and murder. They have some “sophisticated” propaganda for you to believe in about their latest war or tax or power grab and they don’t want you being “backward”, “primitive” or “emotional” about it. So in retrospect, I can extrapolate from what he is saying in the context of what we now know about what came later in 1992:UN Agenda 21. Human-centered concerns about rights and morality are replaced by all sorts of centrally planned obsessive resource calculations about air, water and food and how people are using these things, and whether they can be beaten over the head about them in appeals to guilt about overuse or fears about scarcity and pollution. And they obsess over finding ways to tax and fine us in such a way as to gradually impose conservation measures and rationing, and capture these resources from the control of ordinary people. In other words, the point is to destroy property rights (individual or community-based) and the means people have to survive and thrive. And the politicians and corporations can call it whatever ideology they want, and appeal to “crises” and “clean air” or “clean water” or “climate change” in order to justify what their bosses want to get away with. So the part about replacing ideology with ecology is important I think. You can have mercenaries running around with rifles, but you can also at the same time have mercenaries running around with thermometers and pocket calculators taking measurements (such as “energy efficiency”) and counting up all the stuff that belongs to others, and discovering new ways to take it from them via fines and taxes."
Richard TolAugust 4, 2014 11:50 am
I recommend that people compare the purged comments above to the full interview: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/08/01/leading-climate-economist-accused-of-distorting-research/
WarrenAugust 4, 2014 11:39 am
Agreed. Furthermore, as the interior of Antarctic is so cold that as atmospheric warming has occurred, it's still too cold to permit the ice sheets to melt, but precipitation has increased since warmer air holds more moisture, and has thus more ice buildup has occurred in the interior. But the periphery has shown increased signs of melting.
WarrenAugust 4, 2014 11:34 am
Why do you think that Arctic sea ice, the worlds glaciers, and the Greenland ice sheet, have been in precipitous decline for decades? If you're not sure, check the evidence over the last several decades (not just the last few years as short term changes are irrelevant). Then get back to us.
WarrenAugust 4, 2014 11:28 am
Thei Chinese academy of science, along with the other 199 top Science Academies of the World including the NAS and AAAS all conclude, in published position papers, that Earth is Warming, Man is the Cause, and the net effects are likely yo be strongly negative. In China, people at the level of those executives you quote are 'spokesmen' in the sense that they are articulating political negotiating positions of the government, not necessarily a scientific one. In my experience, and helping the US State Dept develop the US negotiating documents for a global agreement on short lived greenhouse gases, the Chinese were very circumspect. Much more cautious about giving anything away than trying to have open dialogue in order to reach a compromise agreement. Our company also has a major enterprise in China, and working with, and supporting the governments political position was critical to having the govt on our side rather than against us. Which means such public statements by leading climate negotiators in China must be taken as coordinated with govt policy, not as the scientific positions of either the Academy, or of their researchers.
Edward J WoodAugust 4, 2014 11:12 am
There's no longer any doubt: it's not about doing away with petroleum, it's about doing away with free-market capitalism.
CartoonmickAugust 4, 2014 10:12 am
Climate change is a major problem which will bring many changes to our environment and weather. The severity of these changes is being hotly debated in many circles but, regardless of who is correct in their opinion, it is better to err on the side of caution. Then, if things don't turn out that bad after all, we will end up with a far better environment but, with some wealthy people not as wealthy as they wanted to be. In the meantime, I think this cartoon covers one end of the argument . . . http://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-891 Cheers Mick
James GreysonAugust 4, 2014 9:56 am
The IMF should know that taxes are just one way to fix market failures. They also know that calls for tax shifts are routinely ignored by governments, who continue to subsidise fossil fuels because that's the only game plan they know. If the IMF wanted real change, and not just green PR, they would call for a new game plan and make space for innovation to fix markets failures. http://climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/1300404/planId/1309209
PygmalionAugust 4, 2014 8:15 am
Anyone still have lingering doubts that climate politics is wealth redistribution in disguise?
Raymond Michael BorlandAugust 4, 2014 7:23 am
Nell, the world is doomed because of socialism and communism which have destroyed 200 million people in the 20th century, devastated economies, destroyed ecosystems and polluted their countries worse than capitalistic countries. Birth rates go down as countries develop economically. Socialism and communism leave everyone but the party leaders in absolute poverty.Venezuela has rationing of food and toilet paper now following Hugo Chavez's Marxist policies. The environmental groups attending this conference have proven they are watermelons: green outside but red inside.
longjohn119August 3, 2014 10:25 pm
The Arctic is a big ocean encircled by land masses The Antarctic is a large land mass surrounded by oceans Since the Arctic is mostly ocean sea ice is extremely relevant Since the Antartic is mostly land sea ice is considerably less relevant and it's land ice that counts
K.N.S.Reddy.August 3, 2014 8:33 pm
Dear Sirs, Loss of energy to cooling water is a fact. You will realize when you open bonnet of your car. Please refer to 'How stuff works' This problem is not addressed by manufacturers of IC Engines including manufacturers of cars. I am at an advanced age I don't have ambition of making millions. I am concerned at the huge loss which is reducing valuable life of our project. I have attempted to find a solution which manufacturers of IC Engines have not solved. Without going through the technical data I have built, to make comment like 'Idiotic posturing is premature. If anybody wants to know the technical features, I can mail the literature. K.N.S.Reddy.
Bill SmithAugust 3, 2014 7:12 pm
If the oceans are rising, make a canal from the upper Miss. River to CA. H2O for CA, mitigate flooding to lower Miss Valley, ameliorate rising ocean. Win, win and win. Oh! & Jobs too. Oh!& end fish fights in Sacramento Bay. Simple supply & demand.
RowanAugust 3, 2014 6:13 pm
the main component of the 97% consensus research was external analysis of the abstracts of hundreds of climate science papers. Go back to SkepticalScience and actually READ the paper - which clearly describes the methodology followed - before comparing it to a radio poll.
RowanAugust 3, 2014 6:04 pm
Hi Diogenes - most data are already publicly available if you bother to look. You can even do your own analyses of the data, and come up with your own conclusions - but I should point out that the "skeptics" that have done so thus far have only proved themselves wrong and Mann, Cook, Nuccitelli as correct.
RowanAugust 3, 2014 5:57 pm
Hey kcy - yes it is still rising and yes it's still accelerating, and yes there are millions of pieces of evidence - from tree rings to ice core samples to ocean sediment cores to archeological analysis of pollen - to demonstrate that our current climate is, globally, getting warmer. Perhaps you discount the disrupted weather patterns, the increased heat content of the oceans, the early onset of spring, massive early wildfires in Alaska and Siberia, the melting glaciers and ice sheets, the loss of snow packs world wide, the shift to cooler regions of entire ecosystems, rising ocean levels, and all the other myriad effects that GW is already having on the world? Don't they count as proof?
RowanAugust 3, 2014 5:49 pm
Hi Larry - what do you mean "by the time these predictions come to pass"? They're already happening! Please, enlighten us, what technology could possibly stop the West Antarctic ice sheet from melting out, given that the latest research indicates it is now beyond the point of saving and we are therefore committed to several feet of sea rise? What technology can suck gigatons of CO2 out of the atmosphere and store it away so it stops affecting our climate? Techno-optimism is just a way of pretending there isn't a problem, that "we" don't have to do anything because "they" will fix it in the future, and as such is a complete cop-out.
nicsmurthAugust 3, 2014 3:56 pm
As usual judging by the last three comments. Denialists continue to refuse to even consider reasoned argument concerning CC. What part of "The idea we should base policy on a petition that imaginary people are on…rather than on what NASA, NOAA, the US Navy and every single scientific society and the entire property casualty reinsurance insurance industry are telling us is just extraordinary "don't you get? Already the perma frost in Siberia is melting and is releasing co2 and methane. If this continues it will be a disaster for the earth.
BartAugust 3, 2014 5:50 am
Could you specifically cite where Al Gore said this thing you say he said, and quote him directly? Because when I look, I find he said something entirely different. "Last September 21, as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years." Al Gore, Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech, Oslo, 2007. Hey look, Gore talked about a few decades, and said "could be", and never said anything that would contradict "most summers". http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm talks about who actually said what in more detail. Note that the original argument was first ice-free summer by 2013 is more reasonable than first ice-free summer not until 2040, and even then the opinion of most scientists was that while 2040 was far too late, 2013 would be a bit early. If you do look at the trend line for the Arctic, it looks like 2025 +/- 7 years is the date. It appears you owe Al Gore an apology.
BartAugust 3, 2014 5:36 am
It appears? Howso? Maybe you're unfamiliar with the general lack of social skills of many scientists; they browbeat everyone who they think wrong, and their hides are tough enough that it just rolls off their backs when it's done to them. The petty insults are not the point: reason and observation are. This is nothing new, and not unique to climate. People so seriously thin-skinned that they feel bullied by scientists perhaps ought stick to celebrity gossip instead.
BartAugust 3, 2014 5:30 am
If you want to do "nothing", why doesn't your "nothing" include not burning fossil fuels? Forgetting for a moment that new solar, geothermal, conversion of water control measures to pumped hydroelectric generation/water control hybrids, and wind installations are almost invariably cheaper options right now, today, than new coal or new natural gas, why is your definition of "something" so tied to personal liberties? What about my personal liberty from coal rollers' pollution? Ptolemy was wrong before science reasoned that the explanation for observations least reliant on baseless assumptions, most parsimonious of exceptions and with greatest universality ought be regarded as accurate or very nearly true. Once we figured that out, and looked at the observations, we ended up with Ptolemny's views refined and improved. Do you think that for 900 years, the world had no personal liberties? As for your claims of economic ruin, let's look at British Columbia: Ruined? Nope. Economic alarmism can be dismissed. It just ain't true.
johnAugust 3, 2014 3:10 am
No matter how loud they insist, for me the dialog is not over and the issue is not settled.
johnAugust 3, 2014 3:08 am
relying on computer models reminds me of the old saying about" garbage in, garbage out. By now it is all political and has taken on religious overtones of belief. Would that mean we are in a religious war with propents vs, skeptics?
PrefabsproutAugust 3, 2014 2:40 am
RTCC is just another denialist blog.
Bongstar420August 3, 2014 1:39 am
Our spring in the NW was nearly a month ahead of normal, and our summer has been about 5 degrees above normal for the 30 year running average that the climate service employs. Our hottest year correlates with the most sun spots since the little ice age.
Bongstar420August 3, 2014 1:34 am
They should be pushing Star Trek, not this anti-technology, misanthropist garbage coming from most "environmentalists."
Bongstar420August 3, 2014 1:32 am
The ocean current went through the north pole during those times. That will not be happening this time around- the coming ice age is inevitable
Bongstar420August 3, 2014 1:31 am
I wish "global warming" is true. My fingers are crossed. Ever wonder what life is like during an ice age? Colder and dryer over all with very little accessible farm land
Bongstar420August 3, 2014 1:29 am
Ignorance will cause starvation and death
PrefabsproutAugust 2, 2014 11:15 pm
Cherry picking the IEA estimate simply shows your ideology. $115 Trillion in fuel savings via the $44 Trillion is noted in the same report as a benefit. You only give half the story.
bruce lancasterAugust 2, 2014 8:35 pm
Global warming cultists are off their nut. They are just plain crazy.
MervAugust 2, 2014 7:46 pm
Yes....yes it is. In a technical sense, anything is pollution if it disrupts the stability of the atmosphere.
WarrenAugust 2, 2014 7:36 pm
I never made the ridiculous claim that CO2 oxygenates the atmosphere. And my statement to Steve that 'ok, you understand the greenhouse effect, so please explain it" was tongue in cheek, because he clearly has no idea what it is, nor did he respond. I assume you meant to address your post to Steve, rather than me.
PrefabsproutAugust 2, 2014 7:22 pm
the same IEA estimate you quote also stated that the $44 Trillion would save $115 Trillion in fuel costs. You conveniently failed to mention that.
Eli RabettAugust 2, 2014 6:28 pm
Mr. Tol, perhaps you might list a few of those studies that Mr. Ackerman has not kept up with? Is it not true that your publications in 2009 and 2014 which estimate damages from warming, for their numeric estimate of damages, rely on only 16 studies of which "6 are authored or coauthored by William Nordhaus; 3 are by David Maddison; 2 are by Tol; and 2 are by Chris Hope. The remaining 3 studies are by economists who have collaborated with either Nordhaus or Tol". Essentially the same estimate (with sign errors now corrected) is found in the AR5 WGII chapter 10 This is a very specific allegation, which anybunny who reads the papers can tell is true. Did you discuss this in detail with Mr. King, or are you simply blowing smoke?
lsk1956August 2, 2014 6:27 pm
Hackerman, oh, nuff said...
Robin_GuenierAugust 2, 2014 12:46 pm
Ding Zhongli is not a "spokesman". He's a distinguished scientist: a senior geophysicist and VP of the Chinese Academy of Sciences. Nor is Xie Zhenhua a "spokesman". He's the leader of China's climate negotiating team - probably the most important climate negotiator in the world. As his views reflect Ding's we'd be wise to pay attention.
Anarco SomaAugust 2, 2014 11:18 am
German Industry will eventually have lowest cost power on the planet because of the investment being made in a decentralised grid that is creating significant opportunities to store energy at a negative price for profit. Investing in the future pays dividends - rather than use present fossil fuel taxes as general revenue or in Australia's case roads more should be directed toward 21st century technology - the tipping point is now -investment in and subsidy of fossil fuels is mal-investment
bruce lancasterAugust 2, 2014 7:34 am
Global warming cultists are off their nut. They are just plain crazy.
larry1dartAugust 2, 2014 6:33 am
I just love the cost analysis that economists try to put on something they can't even imagine. By the time these predictions will come to pass, technology will more than likely mitigate any damages done by GW/CC.
MisterMax2000August 2, 2014 6:24 am
I've got news for you. Clinton, Bush and especially Obama have done more economic damage to the country than 10 "greenhouse" gases.
WarrenAugust 2, 2014 3:43 am
As will your grandchildren's food supplies, homes ( if they live near a sea coast), and water supplies (if they live in the Southwestern US) That what you want? Is that also funny?
LewisAugust 2, 2014 2:36 am
Glad my university position doesn't demand agreeing with the wishes of a grant.
LewisAugust 2, 2014 2:35 am
Were the Professor from Gilligan's Island and Dr Frankenstein on the committee? How about those scientists at the perfume company? The Scientists at Dow Chemical who brought us napalm? Remember, 97% of scientist (who replied to a )poll agree. Same accuracy as a radio call in poll.
mitch MonteithAugust 2, 2014 2:24 am
It pays to slow down the worlds climate control measures Tol laughs all the way to the bank.
SantaluzManAugust 2, 2014 1:02 am
Great reading comprehension, Drwho2. Perhaps you miss the point -- NEITHER scientist is saying global warming ("climate change" was coined by Republican propagandist Frank Luntz because it is "less scary" to voters, so I refuse to use it) is NOT happening now and NOT caused by humans. These are just two scientists feuding -- but they still agree that anthropomorphic global warming IS happening. (If anything, Ackerman's thesis against Tol would seem to point to greater economic peril than Tol does if global warming is not addressed and attacked more robustly.)
bryan dennyAugust 2, 2014 12:38 am
and the liberal hits just keep on coming. most know climate change occurs naturally and it has for thousands of years.we don't need a carbon tax from the liberals to raise prices on everything from gas to food.
Richard EklundAugust 2, 2014 12:02 am
Yep, global (fill in the blank) is very real. A very real big business. Tell them the conclusions you want and they'll either find, manufacture or jigger the facts to support it. Love the studies that start with one conclusion until the funding party sees the conclusion, suddenly the conclusion changes 180 degrees! Please don't bore us with "scientists conclude, say, prove. .. . " any conclusions. Before 1944, scientists agreed that the atom couldn't be split, seems they were wrong.
George Parigian Jr.August 1, 2014 9:28 pm
First of all we have gasoline taxes that are taking in less money now because gasoline use has gone down. There is now talk of raising the tax even more to maintain revenue. Have you EVER considered how much of an economic burden these taxes would be to the average working man or woman who has to drive to work and/or heat their homes in winter? It is like getting a cut in pay! I bet you are the same type of person clamoring for a "living wage," even as you advocate this nonsense about taxing us away from fossil fuels, well before alternatives are economically viable (for the 99% who are not wealthy)!
kcy2014August 1, 2014 9:05 pm
Do you remember how all the Warmist brouhaha started? I do! They showed us the "hockey stick graph". "The temperature increase is too fast and accelerating, so it can't be natural. It must be man's fault" - they said. Well, it's not so fast anymore and it's not accelerating anymore. Perhaps it's all natural after all. Right now there is no proof supporting the AGW hypothesis.
Diogenes60025August 1, 2014 6:04 pm
Go Dr. Tol!!! ALL of the research (records, lab notes, model algorithms and code etc.) of activist "climatologists" like Mann, Jones, Cook, Nuccitelli, et al should be publicly released at once. Until there is full disclosure, their research and conclusions are worthless and unpersuasive. No one could raise $100,000 in venture capital on the basis of such as their opaque "research". But they want world taxpayers & energy users to expend $44 trillion (IEA estimate) to "decarbonize" the world.
DaisyAugust 1, 2014 5:58 pm
As somebody who claims that returning more co2 to the atmosphere would lead to 'more highly oxygenated air', you've indicated the absence of basic knowledge, which would invalidate the rest of your paragraph even if any of it actually made sense. Please, research things (or maybe acquire a basic scientific education) before you comment on anything like this.
MarkAugust 1, 2014 5:27 pm
It would appear that in 40 minutes you failed to convince him.
FrankAugust 1, 2014 5:27 pm
Man-made global warming is a hoax.
JimAugust 1, 2014 5:12 pm
"The debate over the costs and benefits of addressing climate change cuts to the heart of current negotiations at the UN on developing a global agreement to curb carbon pollution." CO2 isn't a pollutant.
John DoeAugust 1, 2014 4:41 pm
So, ah, what does the company he works for actually do? Not involved in 'alternative energy' by some chance are they?
Johnny GrahamAugust 1, 2014 4:36 pm
They spread these BS articles like climate change has actually already been proven.Whatever work he did ,it makes no difference since climate change ,just like the global cooling and the global warming scams don`t exist.
Robin_GuenierAugust 1, 2014 4:35 pm
Warren - two points: (1) A carbon tax may be "straightforward" for the developed West. But I assume you're using that word in a strictly relative sense: for virtually every Western economy to change its tax arrangements and climate policies would be massively difficult. (And, as we've seen in Australia, the introduction of a carbon tax can be a good way to lose elections.) But, for the developing world - the major economies of which show no serious interest in reducing their emissions (poverty elimination having much higher priority) - it's must be completely fanciful. They're not 'waiting for more information before acting': they're not really interested in acting at all. And the developing economies are responsible for nearly 70% of emissions. There's your real problem. And it's one you seem anxious to avoid. (2) Your insurance analogy is false. Homeowner's insurance works because, if e.g. my house burns down (as houses sometimes do), the cost of rebuilding is met by the premiums paid by the householders whose houses have not burned down. I pay a premium, not to stop my house burning down, but to be compensated if it does. See the difference? In the case of climate change, the householder is the entire population of the world and the "premium" is paid in an attempt to avoid a possible catastrophe affecting everyone - and, if there is such a catastrophe, who's going to provide compensation? The analogy would be more accurate if the householder considered it worthwhile to avoid the remote risk of his house burning down by incurring the vast cost of demolishing it and rebuilding and furnishing it exclusively from non-flammable materials. But that's not what householders do - although some may buy a few fire extinguishers. In other words, they focus on adaptation - and plan to deal with the problem if and when it occurs. Anyway, thanks for the interesting discussion. I suspect it's probably run its course. You may , however, be interested to read this: http://ipccreport.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/uk-climate-policies-are-pointless2.pdf
Jon PAugust 1, 2014 4:33 pm
He came out as a skeptic, now he is being blacklisted and discredited by the church of global warming. Surprised??
drwho2August 1, 2014 4:22 pm
More damnable lies from these "scientists" and their corrupt climate change cr ap!
Richard TolAugust 1, 2014 4:17 pm
I spoke for about 40 minutes with Mr Edward King MA, refuting in detail every single point raised by Mr Ackerman. Unfortunately, Mr King left out the arguments but left in the more colourful language. I urge Mr King to publish a transcript of the interview.
hebintnAugust 1, 2014 1:30 pm
The detrimental environmental and health impacts of mountaintop removal coal mining are facts documented repeatedly in the scientific literature, yet the practice continues. Fossil fuels cause havoc, and you don't have to be a scientist to see and smell the impact, but our governments continue to drive the use of these fuels. It is essential to fund the transition to clean energy, including new generation nuclear such as LFTR. The trillions of dollars in subsidies that are now afforded fossils should be moved to the clean energy R&D column. Hopefully this will happen before climate change reaches catastrophic conditions. It will happen when deniers around the world are voted out and reason prevails. It's proven over and over that as price goes up consumption goes down. As gasoline prices go down, Detroit makes bigger less efficient cars. This is the only thing consumers understand... conservation and innovation are driven by demand... the one good thing I can think of related to capitalism.
furwoko nazorAugust 1, 2014 11:54 am
Companies occupied and encroached indigenous people lands all over around the world as main actors on environment and social destruction and threathening so thus this policy has produced and impacted a world biggest problem right now it is climate change which so horrible will be faced indigenous people that this along depend on non timber forest product for their livelihood and their social, culture and religion need to forest, grassland, and other natural resources on the earth.
devildoc68August 1, 2014 11:49 am
There I a native saying... I think it may be Cree but not sure and it goes something like this, "Only when the last fish has been caught, only when the last tree has been cut down, only when the last river has been poisoned, only then will you understand you cannot eat your money".
Eli RabettAugust 1, 2014 11:27 am
Tol's response that Ackerman has not kept up with the literature is risible. As Ackerman points out, Tol's work in the IPCC report and his publications for his conclusions emphasize the work of a small number of authors. Ackerman points out that of the 16 studies that Tol considers to establish the cost of changes in global temperature anomolies "6 are authored or coauthored by William Nordhaus; 3 are by David Maddison; 2 are by Tol; and 2 are by Chris Hope. The remaining 3 studies are by economists who have collaborated with either Nordhaus or Tol" Moreover, a considerable number of these date back more than 15 years ago. Were Eli a reporter, he would have asked Richard Tol, if he too had trouble keeping up with the literature. In the words of John McEnroe, Richard Tol cannot be serious.
Graham ThompsonAugust 1, 2014 11:17 am
Wow, the $6/t double counting thing is really shocking. Has Tol responded to that anywhere?
David RiceAugust 1, 2014 2:03 am
The annoying thing is, everyone knew this already: yet another study did not add to the discussion. Fossil fuels cost consumers far less than what they are worth because the economic loses due to the ecological damage and health care expenses associated with burning fossil fuels are not added. The only fair way to fix the market failure is to tax the people who use fossil fuels.
John BentonJuly 31, 2014 10:01 pm
What absolute rubbish, Antarctic sea ice has been increasing for over 30 years.
John BentonJuly 31, 2014 9:58 pm
This is a good start but it's time ALL spending on climate change by the government was stopped. Our taxes should not be squandered on this nonsense.
Kyle RogersJuly 31, 2014 7:48 pm
I would love to know the method of turning this extra heat into sustainable energy. Is this possible? My elderly grandparents live in Pheonix area and I don't know how they would deal with the 116+ heat without their Portable ac units . It seems like a problem that we created that we cannot undo easily at all.
vig menonJuly 31, 2014 7:37 pm
Possibly ,the observation could be "true",with one pole acting as a "hot sink" and the other as a cold sink ,possibly driven by the "cells' of westerlies
Robin_GuenierJuly 31, 2014 5:30 pm
" ... climate talks in Paris next year, where a global deal is set to be signed." Signed maybe ... but unlikely to achieve very much. See my comments here: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/07/25/rtccs-climate-thermometer-whos-hot-and-whos-not/ And here: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/07/18/make-2015-count-campaigners-urge-on-mandelas-birthday/
Science OfficerJuly 31, 2014 4:40 pm
Ah, yes. We most cooperatively agree to be sharing the kickbacks and extortion fees. There is plenty for everyone.
Jon PJuly 31, 2014 4:23 pm
"We trust NOAA with weather predicting." Who is we? NOAA has failed year in and year out on weather predictions.
PygmalionJuly 31, 2014 4:08 pm
“For millions of Indians, extreme weather and resource shortages are not future threats; they are here now,” he said. He could have added, "They always have been!!" While these self-proclaimed world-savers wisely stopped short of discussing any possible actions, it still appears they will have to rely on external sources to remind them that HFC regulations date back to the Ozone-Hole hoax, and have nothing to do with the current, Climate Change hoax. At long last, is there really anyone left who takes this idiotic posturing seriously?
savantJuly 31, 2014 3:22 pm
The "alarmists" have become fanatical.....This is their religion....
WarrenJuly 31, 2014 1:24 pm
OK you know about the Greenhouse Effect. So please tell us: What is the Greenhouse Effect, 2) The Physics of how it works, and 3) The result of its operation in Earth's atmosphere. Thank you
mike flanaganJuly 31, 2014 12:09 am
That is the problem, we have one installed in the PM's office by the Murdoch climate Mafiosi, but he will not be offered any awards and I doubt he will survive more than 300 performances let alone a thousand. But Broadway can have him if they like and I'm sure Rupes will offer him a climate change free couch at his new digs rather than the Army's Nissan hut Abbott seems to prefer at the moment
WarrenJuly 30, 2014 8:42 pm
A carbon tax is easy to collect, because it's levied on the producers of carbon --the oil companies, etc. Then they pass those costs onto the consumers through the supply chain. This straightforward operation is one of its attractive features. Your comment on 'years' or decades'' is important. Even an immediate reduction in emissions will take at least 50 years to show ANY impact, and its full benefit won't be felt for much longer --up to perhaps hundreds of years, because the length of time additional Carbon remains in the Carbon cycle. That's why the sense of urgency from so many in the Scientific community --they see that waiting until the public is truly alarmed by disastrous coastal flooding, or the extreme effects on crops or weather, and demanding action, will be very late in the game. That's why I disagree with those who want to 'wait for more information before acting'. The IPCC assesses the likelihood of major impacts at well north of 50% by 2100, and much higher in the 22nd century. And that's why action to mitigate AGW is comparable to homeowner's insurance --which all of us purchase when the likelihood of a major fire is less than 5%. Damage from AGW is much more likely, and the costs of mitigation (via carbon tax) are assessed at about 1% of incomes, globally. Since the Earth is the only home our Grandchildren can ever have, its seems to me that responsible citizenship demands action.
WarrenJuly 30, 2014 8:19 pm
Lets distinguish between the Scientific issues and negotiations to arrive at an International Emissions agreement. My original post, to which you responded with statements by a couple of Chinese spokesmen, dealt only with the Science. So what is your response to the fact that all the world's Science Academies conclude Earth is Warming, and Man is the Cause, and that the US military and some US corporations are including the anticipated effects of AGW into their long range planning?
WarrenJuly 30, 2014 8:06 pm
OK, then tell us what the Greenhouse Effect is, the physics of how it works, and the results of it's operation on Earth's system. Thank you.
stevefJuly 30, 2014 5:18 pm
Listen mr know it all, there is nothing wrong with my fact based assertions. You're the one who supports a ridiculous claim by ignoring millions of years of fossil record, as well as the gas you put in your car every day. Did you think that gas was man-made too???
Science OfficerJuly 30, 2014 4:54 pm
Guess the Aussies and Kiwis have figured out, they don't need a Professor Harold Hill's Boy's Band in their town....
RogerWilliamsJuly 30, 2014 4:43 pm
Sheldon Whitehouse is the Chris Farley of the US Senate. Only Chris Farley was funny.
Sarah Chen LinJuly 30, 2014 2:20 pm
Partly yes, but other key factors (i.e. mismanagement of resources, incompetent governments, etc) are definitely to blame as well. I personally believe nature will always "check" population through natural disasters and whatnot =P
Sarah Chen LinJuly 30, 2014 2:17 pm
As a Venezuelan, I am not at all surprised by this article and I could totally see where they're coming from. The Venezuelan society, especially youth groups, are indeed concerned about the environment but sadly the current politics of the country is ranked first in their list of priorities. Just a quick observation and suggestion: Next time, it would probably be a good idea to define what "green economy" is, to avoid misinterpretation by readers.
Robin_GuenierJuly 30, 2014 1:32 pm
Of course, 'hope' isn't a strategy. My point is that, whatever the Scientific Academies may or may not say, it looks increasingly unlikely that the Paris conference in 2015 will achieve the hoped-for agreement for global GHG reduction - however desirable you may consider that to be and however much you may advocate it. The most probably outcome is that the current increase in emissions will continue its upward trajectory. So, if those who predict that is likely may lead to catastrophe are right, our grandchildren will face most serious problems, with adaptation as their only practical response. In other words, the outcome would be seriously unpleasant. That's why I suggest we should hope that the sceptics are right after all. I agree that a carbon tax is a most interesting concept - in theory more likely to work than current emission reduction "solutions". So, yes, it's worthy of serious consideration. The trouble is that experience shows that it would take many years (probably decades) to get global agreement, if indeed that were possible at all. And, even then, it would be horrendously difficult to administer and enforce. But - again if the "experts" are right - we simply don't have years or decades.
Robin_GuenierJuly 30, 2014 1:05 pm
If, by AGW, you mean the hypothesis that mankind has contributed to recent temperature increases, your comment is probably valid: at least regarding climate scientists, academies and professional bodies in the West. But, as I point out above, it appears that it may not be so in China. It would be extremely unwise to ignore Ding Zhongli's position on the science (don't forget he's a senior geophysicist and VP of the Chinese Academy of Sciences as well as adviser to the Chinese Politburo), especially as it's been echoed, not only by Xie, but by other Chinese climate negotiators. China's policy on climate change matters more than that of any other nation (assuming that is you're interested in the reduction of GHG emissions) - and it's not going to be influenced by Dr James Powell or any other Western scientist, however eminent.
evenmindedJuly 30, 2014 12:58 pm
She did have the one about geological activity in Antarctica right. A paper on that can be found here: http://www.pnas.org/content/111/25/9070.short?rss=1&ssource=mfr It doesn't really refute AGW though, so it's unclear what her point is.
Robin_GuenierJuly 30, 2014 12:48 pm
I'm well aware of that, Warren: I try to follow China's position re the climate negotiations closely. Look a little deeper and you'll fund Xie was referring to a "peak", not a "cap" (in the most usually understood meaning of the word). Two very different concepts. See this for an explanation: http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/15/china-clarifies-its-plans-on-setting-a-co2-emissions-peak/?_php=true&_type=blogs&smid=tw-share&_r=0 But, in any case, over the years, China has from time to time announced (as here) actions it "could" or "might" take. It's always best to wait and see what they actually do - it's usually disappointing. As Andy Revkin says the the above article, "At the Berlin meeting, Xie stressed that China still sees itself as a developing nation, with different obligations on greenhouse gases to those of developed countries." To get a taste of how climate negotiations are proceeding, I suggest you read the developing economies (of which China is one) "draft negotiating text" published in Bonn a few weeks ago it indicates, for example, no progress whatever on the critical developed/developing divide - a major cause of the Copenhagen debacle. LINK: http://unfccc.int/files/documentation/submissions_from_parties/adp/application/pdf/adp2-5_submission_by_malaysia_on_behalf_of_the_lmdc_crp.pdf
mike flanaganJuly 30, 2014 2:07 am
Abbott's excuse is limp and dishonest. Any meeting that has been scheduled in the international sphere has been avoided by Abbott to protect his denialist position. Abbott survives with a minority of voter support and only on the encouragement and support of the Murdoch Press. Abbott's international behaviour has been abominable, where he has refused every invitation to meetings that are to address the climate change challenge and he has offended major leaders and allies with offensive speeches to forums and gatherings of fossil fuel industry. His refusal to include Climate Change in the agenda for the forthcoming G20 meeting and is a major embarrassment to most Australians and it will be evident in Abbott's polling in the next election, should he contest it.
Kenneth SandaleJuly 30, 2014 2:04 am
"In the complex domain of aerospace engineering" Idiot tries to impress with big words, clueless how funny she sounds. "Climate researchers have an awful track record of predictions. Using a computer model written by James Hansen, they predicted a new ice age" No, they did not, idiot.
Kenneth SandaleJuly 30, 2014 2:01 am
He repeated that SOMEONE said it MIGHT take 22 years and that SOMEONE said it MIGHT take 7 years, and did not say who, if either of them was right, and you freaks yell that he said it WILL be gone in 7 years.
WarrenJuly 30, 2014 1:48 am
FYI: 'China could present plans for an overall carbon emissions cap as early as next year, according to the country’s chief climate negotiator, Xie Zhenhua. - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/07/14/china-could-reveal-carbon-cap-by-first-quarter-of-2015/#sthash.y6eFtXlt.dpuf
WarrenJuly 30, 2014 1:37 am
You don't seem to know anything about the Greenhouse effect. Please read about it before making Scientifically wrong assertions about CO2.
WarrenJuly 30, 2014 1:34 am
Did you notice the word "Global' in Global Warming? Check the Global data out: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence
WarrenJuly 30, 2014 1:33 am
Misleading. The data clearly shows an inexorable long term steep decline with variations up and down around the trend line. Your cherry picking using short term data doesn't convey what going on.
WarrenJuly 30, 2014 1:16 am
Finally, some real facts, instead of recycled garbage from those that don't read the Science. Thank you.
WarrenJuly 29, 2014 10:49 pm
@BuddyGC: You say '.. you say Scientists must be right, unless they work for a corporation'. I said just the opposite -- that my corporation and many others conclude that AGW is occurring --they are including its effects in their long range planning.
WarrenJuly 29, 2014 10:46 pm
@Tedsunday: You say 'another consensus lie'. Check the websites of any of the Academies for proof; you could start with the US Academies -- the NAS or the AAAS, and then check the other Academies of Europe, Germany, China, or Japan. They all conclude AGW is occurring. Consensus is the result of independent researchers reaching the same basic conclusions on a subject of Science. All the Academies have done so, and I support their conclusions, not only because of their expertise, but also because I find the evidence and the underlying physics compelling.
evenmindedJuly 29, 2014 10:15 pm
Wow, you are factually challenged. What records show that the warming from 1880-1960 was faster than that from 1960-today?
WarrenJuly 29, 2014 10:15 pm
Did you notice the word 'Global' in Global Warming? Look at the Global data since 1880. You can find it here: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence
WarrenJuly 29, 2014 10:11 pm
Good post. Skepticalscience.com is an excellent reference. I'd also recommend Realclimate.com.
WarrenJuly 29, 2014 10:09 pm
Oh, and I'm not a liberal, but a life-long Conservative Republican. If you think a Scientific theory is invalid because Liberals believe it, you should reject the other findings of Science they believe, including Evolution, Plate Tectonics and Relativity. Are Politics how you decide on Science?
WarrenJuly 29, 2014 10:03 pm
@TedSunday: You say my 'statement is a lie'. Check any of the Science Academies' websites for proof. You could start with the US academies - NAS and the AAAS. Or the Academies of Europe, Germany, China, and Japan. 'Consensus' occurs when all have independently researched the issue and find the evidence and underlying physics compelling, as I do.
WarrenJuly 29, 2014 9:51 pm
Why would anyone consider 'hope' a strategy? What I hope for is that the citizens of each nation will responsibly consider appropriate policy action to address the issue. My reading of the science leads me to the same conclusion of the Science Academies -- that Earth is Warming, man is the Cause, and the effects are likely to be strongly negative. Therefore I advocate a Global treaty, similar to the successful Montreal Protocol, in which nations agree to reduce GHG emissions. Economists such as Adele Morris and Yale's William Nordhaus conclude that a carbon tax, costing about 1% of our income, is the most effective policy, and that it will save trillions in the cost of adaption for our Grandchildren. I believe we owe our Grandchildren, and theirs, serious consideration of such action.
WarrenJuly 29, 2014 9:41 pm
There are a few individual Scientists -- vocal outliers -- who argue against AGW, but NO Science Academy or Professional Organization of any standing disputes any aspect of AGW and its harmful effects, and all of the top 200 Academies and Science organizations, worldwide, have published formal reports or statements concluding that AGW is occurring. More importantly, there are almost no peer- reviewed papers that dispute AGW. The most famous academic study, by Dr James Powell, appointed to the US National Science Board by President Bush, reviewed 25000 peer reviewed research papers on AGW, and found only 0.28% that disputed any aspect of AGW. Its very difficult to conclude that there is a significant debate about the validity of AGW among scientists active in the field.
USArtguyJuly 29, 2014 6:50 pm
Well, Ptolemy had a very convincing explanation of our solar system that stood as the academic/scientific standard for 900 years. Unfortunately, it was wrong. I'd rather not have the long term economic fate of the largest economy in the world, not to mention even more restrictions of my and my descendants personal liberties, tied to the vagaries of what "might" happen if we don't do "something".
USArtguyJuly 29, 2014 6:32 pm
Yeah, actually he kind of did. In his 2007 Nobel lecture he said "Last September 21, as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years. Seven years from now." While it isn't "his" prediction per se, he certainly endorsed it and made it his own in the context of that speech. http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2007/gore-lecture_en.html
Paul MatthewsJuly 29, 2014 5:17 pm
In her defence, Fiona Harvey may have been misled by the announcement on the committee's website, "IPCC processes and conclusions robust - MPs report" which makes no mention of the two dissenting members.
The GrinchJuly 29, 2014 4:20 pm
While i am completely in favor of indigenous peoples being given more voice in these climate issues as well as a host of other issues affecting both themselves as well as humanity as a whole, i do not realistically look for that to happen in any meaningful way.Almost every historical precedent points to indigenous peoples opinions/knowledge being ignored,belittled, and denied rather than listened to and considered from a subjective and objective perspective.,and the "justification" for this appears to be no more than since indigenous peoples as a whole are not generally wealthy or powerful as perceived by todays standards,then they by virtue of that are meaningless and ignorant."Not until the last fish is caught, the last tree cut down, will you understand that you can not eat money".The truth of that axiom is clear, but there is about zero chance of the "more, more, more" mindset of todays modern man being so much as dented by that inescapable reality, however true it may be.
The GrinchJuly 29, 2014 3:46 pm
it would appear the goal is to create the truth , not find it, and the preferred "scientific method" for establishing the "truth" seems to be to create some incredibly bad models, publish them and then browbeat any who dare to question them as being ignorant science deniers with the intelligence of a flat worm.In other words, business as usual for Liberals, whose mantra seems to be that the truth is not what it is, it is what they say it is.
EnjoyerJuly 29, 2014 3:25 pm
Ed, papers are hard to come by, but in 2010 Phil Jones of UK's Climate Research Unit (CRU) admitted that for the past 15 years thereEd, papers are hard to come by, but in 2010 Phil Jones of UK's Climate Research Unit (CRU) admitted that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming. See link below. That pause has continued to this day. The authorities cite land-based temperature data to support their assertion that temperatures continue to rise. Satellite data doesn't show a rise at all. Furthermore, temperature datasets have been significantly altered over time. Raw land-based temperature data shows now warming, either, until it is 'adjusted'. You aversion to blogs is understandable. With most academics and governments lining up on the warming side, it's only the bloggers who are disinterested parties in exposing the chicanery. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html#ixzz38rpQFO1W
EnjoyerJuly 29, 2014 3:00 pm
Interesting that systems that focus on "commodification of nature" are criticized. I'd say that commodification of nature can be good or bad, like most everything. It's the extremes that can be bad -- on either side. I would argue that commodification of nature can also be described as "harnessing nature" -- for progress. It's the definition of progress that's the real issue. More comfortable lives for the humans of the globe is important and comes from commodification of nature (think clean water, think affordable energy, think health & plentiful food supplies). I think the issues need to be better defined. Commodification of nature isn't all bad.
EnjoyerJuly 29, 2014 2:53 pm
Just so you know, RTCC is refusing comments that are are critical of this story and its perspective. Chickens.
Climate HomeJuly 29, 2014 2:53 pm
Hi Enjoyer, This is off topic, and I only approved this as I'm keen to see what papers you can cite for the 'observable science' you mention. Please do post links to the specific papers in question, rather than blogs or other news stories. Best wishes, Ed King, RTCC editor
EnjoyerJuly 29, 2014 2:44 pm
NASA debunks this story: "Re reported measurement error in expansion of antarctic ice: “The apparent expansion is real and not due to an error in a previous data set uncovered by the Eisenman et al paper,” NASA’s Josefino Comiso told Live Science. “That error has already been corrected and the expansion being reported now has also been reported by other groups as well using different techniques.”" Look it up on the web before you call it a lie.
Plea For SanityJuly 29, 2014 2:41 pm
Desmond Tutu hypocritically ignores the BRICS countries (including his very own South Africa) when it comes to fossil fuel production. Russia is one of the largest producers of both oil and coal, and South Africa has one of the worst per capita carbon footprints in the world as a result of its coal production. He ignores OPEC - as if they are blameless because the demand (in his selective and subjective world view) was mostly (if not all) the fault of the 'West' - the target of most of his various criticisms. If he sought a fair solution where both the supplier and consumer were made to pay equally for the damage, past and present and future, he would find that he will soon run out of funding, as the BRIC part of BRICS and OPEC itself turn their back on him. He is now no more than a pawn in the tiresome never ending game of blaming the West for all that is wrong in the world.
EnjoyerJuly 29, 2014 2:39 pm
Indigenous people have the most to lose over the climate change issue. They are marginalized by "green climate imperialists" who have less to lose when energy prices soar. Not so indigenous and the poorer among us. When you consider that climate change is always happening due to natural forces it becomes clear this is a money & power grab by the 'greens'. What do they want that's green? Money. Consider that rising CO2 is blamed for rising temperatures. Since CO2 is still rising and temperatures globally are flat or falling, the causal link is invalidated -- but they're denying it and hoping no one will notice. Well, as global temperatures cool in response to less solar energy reaching Earth, hopefully people will wake up. Look to the science not the superstitious disproven myth that CO2 causes temperatures to rise. I hope RTCC has the courage to 'approve' dissenting opinions based on observable science not flawed models.
GuestJuly 29, 2014 1:56 pm
Why don't you try sourcing some of your claims? Sea levels are at the high end of the predictions. Climate models don't predict tornadoes and hurricanes. Climate models also cannot accurately predict the ENSO cycles, which is why they cannot be expected to capture ~20-30 year fluctuations associated with ENSO cycles. We are not even sure if there will be an el Nino this year or how strong it may be if it does come. You might try getting your facts straight.
Matthew J. RenzJuly 29, 2014 1:40 pm
Indigenous people have the solution to climate change. I think that humans can try to develop and change our consumption to reduce man made effects on the climate, but only when we live a life with just the bare necessities are we reducing our effect on the environment. Even renewable sources of energy require energy use to implement.
evenmindedJuly 29, 2014 1:34 pm
Why don't you try sourcing some of your ridiculous claims? Sea levels are at the high end of the predictions. Climate models don't predict tornadoes and hurricanes. Climate models also cannot accurately predict the ENSO cycles, which is why they cannot be expected to capture ~20-30 year fluctuations associated with ENSO cycles. We are not even sure if there will be an el Nino this year or how strong it may be if it does come. Perhaps if you got your facts straight you might be taken more seriously.
Paul MatthewsJuly 29, 2014 12:32 pm
This is a very misleading report, even by the usual biased standards of the Guardian. It makes no mention of the fact that Peter Lilley and Graham Stringer, the only two members of the Committee who hold science degrees, voted against accepting the report and released their own statement, criticising the politicised Summary for Policy Makers.
SkulduggeryJuly 29, 2014 12:24 pm
Hi Alex I notice that you are a lawyer with a background in environmental law and climate change. I note, too, that you were an expert reviewer to IPCC Workgroup III which assessed "all relevant options for mitigating climate change through limiting or preventing greenhouse gas emissions and enhancing activities that remove them from the atmosphere." Out of interest, how were you chosen as a reviewer (for clarification, I'm interested in the process) and what was your contribution? Paul
Ben GhazyJuly 29, 2014 7:45 am
Yeap. It is called self defense.
Ben GhazyJuly 29, 2014 7:41 am
The beauty is: you don't have to read the articles any more.
JbirdJuly 29, 2014 4:16 am
When the data don't agree with your model or theory, you toss out the model. You don't toss out the data or try to make it fit your theory. P.s. The mean summer ice extent for the Arctic is approaching a ten-year high this summer. I thought, according to past predictions, the Arctic was supposed to be ice free by this summer.
localman22July 29, 2014 2:59 am
. . . "look at the measurements taken anally . . ." That's a really unfortunate typo. I think you mean annually. Taking measurements anally would be very uncomfortable for somebody . . .
Miguel LJuly 29, 2014 2:58 am
Huh guys, I think one reason (just a lucky guess) the Antartic ice is increasing, well. DUH, this is their WINTER. If the Science guys don't know this, boy, schools like UCLA, Standford, et tal better include a course covering the yearly seasons. Actually , when you take the normal variations, it quite normal.
pete14789July 29, 2014 12:54 am
no he didnt
Bad HabitJuly 28, 2014 11:01 pm
So much stupid. Not the article, the comments.
SamJuly 28, 2014 10:36 pm
I see. So when the data doesn't match the money making global warming model, you change the data. Now that's good science! My bank account has about 3000 bucks in it, so I think I'll just write in that I have 100,000 dollars. It would be exactly the same thing. I might also add that it's almost August, and here in Oklahoma where I've lived the last 20 years the temps are normally lows in the high 70s and highs in the high 90s to low 100s. Yet this year, we've only had one day over 100 and it's going to be in the 80s all week. 3 of the last 4 summers have been unusually cool, for that matter. So, last 20 years, 17 of the last 20 years have had normal, consistent temperatures and three years have had lower than normal temps. I realize this is just one small part of the planet, but if the alarmists were correct then we should have been seeing at least a month in summer where the lows are in the high 80s and the highs are over 110 by now. My father, who has lived in this part of the country for 50 years now reports that the hottest summer he ever spent down here was in I think 1960.
Robin_GuenierJuly 28, 2014 9:44 pm
Further to my post, here's a reference for Mr Xie's interesting observation: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7067505/China-has-open-mind-about-cause-of-climate-change.html And, if you're interested, there's a picture of him here (he's No 3): http://www.rtcc.org/2014/07/25/whos-who-the-men-and-women-tasked-with-stopping-climate-change/ We keep being told that climate scientists agree that humans are causing global warming. But it seems that may only be western climate scientists, and may not be true of the so-called "developing" countries. Yet its those countries that are responsible for over 67% of GHG emissions. And remember: it was they who caused Copenhagen to fail and appear to be gearing up (helped by the UN?**) to do the same in Paris. So, Warren, perhaps you should take Mr Xie's view more seriously. Or at least start hoping that the sceptics are right after all. ** See my comment here: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/07/25/rtccs-climate-thermometer-whos-hot-and-whos-not/
PV MaroJuly 28, 2014 6:49 pm
That was a very interesting side-step to the point I was making. Thanks so much for illustrating an inability to remain on the topic as presented.
PV MaroJuly 28, 2014 6:47 pm
Yes, partially correct and partially wrong. To you that means he's right. I get it.
PV MaroJuly 28, 2014 6:47 pm
Things are changing, huh? The land I own used to be under an ice sheet a mile thick. We KNOW that the climate is very capable of changing all by itself, without any help from humans. All we can do now is try to test a theory that is before us now. The cost to "fight global warming" is far too great to implement it "just in case."
always rightJuly 28, 2014 6:37 pm
Human extinction is inevitable, who cares if we contribute to it?
Alberto KnoxJuly 28, 2014 6:09 pm
The media picks journal articles it thinks will draw eyes to the ads on this page. there is no controversy here.
Alberto KnoxJuly 28, 2014 6:06 pm
Al Gre is a retired politician, not a scientist. Does the exact date really matter? Scientists are trying to predict something that has never been observed before. The coming changes are uncertain. We will learn as we go. What is not in doubt is that things are changing and why.
Alberto KnoxJuly 28, 2014 6:04 pm
It was a scientist that claimed there was an inconsistency. Scientists at NASA claim their data is accurate. Right now other scientists are testing both claims to see which is more correct. That's how science works, always moving closer to the truth. That isn't easy to report in the popular media, but it is how we know everything we know about the physical world. You can't get away with being wrong for long in science before someone "outs" you. Eisenman hopes to make his mane by reporting what he sees as an error. NASA will try to defend their good name. it will all be settled months or years from now as others test their methods.
hey geeJuly 28, 2014 5:37 pm
In 2007, Al Gore the godfather of the global warming hoax predicted that by 2014 all Arctic Ice would be gone.
WakeJuly 28, 2014 5:34 pm
Between 1600 and 1650 we had the Little Ice Age. The temperature dropped twice as much in half the time as it has warmed since 1880. Was that man made global cooling? The Liberals would think so. The present warming started in 1880 and actually warmed faster up until 1960 than after that time when man's CO2 was supposedly causing the warming. The warming stopped in approximately 1999 and hasn't resumed. The experiments on Mauna Loa in Hawaii demonstrated that MOST of the increases in atmospheric CO2 are from natural sources and not man-made. We are nearing the global climactic conditions from around 1400 which is demonstrated by sea levels. The "True Believers" are horrified that the earth's climate is in continuous flux. Without that simple fact why would there even BE a science of "Climatology"? Like babies on the teat they want things to remain forever stagnant and the same. They are frightened of the world and what it might bring to them. And they are not smart enough to understand that after several hundred million years we have a pretty good idea of the swings and their limits. Things ARE as they are and if that scares the True Believers so be it.
Bob DerryJuly 28, 2014 5:23 pm
Well Gore was partially correct. We are now running shipping through thin ice in the artic. That is a fact. So it is only very thin instead of gone completely. Wow what a difference.
Tim ReedJuly 28, 2014 5:01 pm
These climate deniers and trolls don't need to data to prove their point to themselves. They believe they know more than the scientists and thus it is true. I am just astounded by the ignorance that is displayed on these blogs. It is really sad.
Tim ReedJuly 28, 2014 5:00 pm
And food doesn't make you fat.
Nikki HernandezJuly 28, 2014 4:59 pm
In the complex domain of aerospace engineering, when data does not agree with a computer model, the model is modified until it matches the data. When they finally do match, it is validated. Conditions can be perturbed in the neighborhood of the validation point(s) to get accurate predictions. Only climate researchers try to change the data to match the model. Climate researchers have an awful track record of predictions. Using a computer model written by James Hansen, they predicted a new ice age, with the cause being the burning of fossil fuels. That was wrong. Using computer models, written in part by James Hansen, they predicted ever-warming temperatures, with the cause being the burning of fossil fuels. That was wrong. They predicted an ice-free Arctic by 2013. Wrong. They predicted increase sea level rise rates. Wrong. They predicted the disappearance of glaciers in the Himalayas. Wrong. They predicted increased tornadoes and hurricanes. Wrong. One interesting prediction they made recently was that the West Antarctic ice sheet is on imminent collapse. The problem of course is that that very same prediction was made in 1922, and that data shows it is a result of geological heating from below, not atmospheric warming from above. So, we can call that one right, but it has nothing to do with global warming.
PeteJuly 28, 2014 4:54 pm
so tired of this meme the tax payers cant afford $$$$$$$$$$ to do anything you cant control the Earth man thinks he can play God and do this things dont happen overnight whatever we did now would take a lot of years to see the results and there is no guarantee that all that effort would help Oh yeah, with out the rest of the planet on board with this, how the heck is that gonna work. the only way that it all works is a new energy source, thats CHEAP, it has to be cheap or its not gonna work, $$$$$$$$$$$$
stevefJuly 28, 2014 4:38 pm
Global warming probably is a fact, the earth was much warmer for long periods in times past, which would make that the "norm", not the partially ice covered planet we have today and there was far more ice just 15,000 years ago, when we were in the grip of an ice age. The fossil fuels we use today in vast quantities are a result of extensive plant and animal growth in a warm, wet, high CO2 climate over eons of time. I fail to see how that could be a bad thing if it returned today. Firstly, the air would be more breathable, being more highly oxygenated. There would be far more food than we need, ending world hunger. Keeping warm in winter would be far less of a problem, fuel for cars could be much less polluting, and I'm sure there are many other benefits of a warmer climate. What benefit is there to believing that all the changes we see are only man made, instead of observing the obvious, that we are in a cycle that has continued for millions of years? Man made global warming is a wrong-headed political agenda sponsored by those who cant see a bigger picture than themselves...
agsbJuly 28, 2014 4:32 pm
What is really interesting is the number of people who believe ICE can melt in a place where it rarely gets above 32.
LongawaitngJuly 28, 2014 4:30 pm
They;re not necessarily wrong. They're simply models and should be treated as such. They can be either wrong or correct. Again, they are simply models.....translated it's simply someone's opinion.
LongawaitngJuly 28, 2014 4:27 pm
You guys ever think about finding a real job in a real field of work?
PV MaroJuly 28, 2014 4:22 pm
Dogma is used on the side of the alarmists, who constantly take every piece of contrary evidence and try to force it into their theory. The truth is, we don't know how much of an impact we are having on the climate, there is no way to conduct a controlled experiment on a planetwide scale to prove it, and all the doomsday predictions are failing to come true. Stop telling global warming campfire stories. They may frighten children, but adults should know better.
Independence_R_USJuly 28, 2014 4:19 pm
You forget that you're tryig to make a liberal think. That's impossible. They demonize others for not being scientists & can't possibly understand. Yet they're not scientists either but hypocrisy is another term liberals don't get.
BillJuly 28, 2014 4:15 pm
"Scientists are naturally unhappy when data doesn't match their predictions". How in hell is that possible? Aren't predictions based on data? If the data changes shouldn't the predictions change? Aren't the feelings of scientists supposed to be irrelevant and completely unhinged from the facts? That statement tells you everything you need to know about "global warming scientists".
billJuly 28, 2014 4:15 pm
No ice at the North Pole in a couple decades. Who cares? We can get at all that yummy oil without liberals crying about ecology and their poor Polar Bears, Santa etc - because they will be gone.
Devon ShireJuly 28, 2014 4:13 pm
True science would never say the way to fix the climate is to tax Americans and the British. That would be magic, not science.
Robin_GuenierJuly 28, 2014 4:12 pm
"NONE dispute any aspect of AGW". That's almost certainly inaccurate, Warren. For example, this article** refers to Ding Zhongli (“China’s most prestigious geophysicist”, VP of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and described as ‘the final word on climate science for the Chinese Communist Party’) as saying, "the idea that there is a significant correlation between temperature increases and concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide lacks reliable evidence in science". You may be interested also to read this abridged translation of an article about Ding Zhongli's paper: *** The original is here: **** (But perhaps you regard Ding Zhongli as a "non-scientist Denier"?) This has most important ramifications. For example, it's probably no coincidence that Xie Zhenhua, China's leading climate negotiator, has said: "There are disputes in the scientific community. We have to have an open attitude to the scientific research. There's an alternative view that climate change is caused by cyclical trends in nature itself. We have to keep an open attitude." Moreover, there's evidence that Russian, Indian and possibly Polish scientists may share this view (I can provide references if you're interested). ** http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/14/china-imprints-all-over-copenhagen-talks-fiasco/?page=all *** http://www.energytribune.com/2621/china-fights-back-scientists-find-no-solid-scientific-evidence-to-strictly-correlate-global-temperature-rise-and-co2-concentrations#sthash.7PBBQBK5.dpbs **** http://www.edu.cn/re_dian_tui_jian_1279/20090907/t20090907_405060.shtml
John BennettJuly 28, 2014 4:11 pm
CO2 levels pre industrial period were 280 parts per million of the atmosphere, current CO2 levels 400 parts per million. A difference of 120 parts per million. 120 divided by a million = .00012% of the atmosphere. 1.2 ten thousandth of a percent is supposed to doom us. Yeah, right.
mvogellJuly 28, 2014 3:56 pm
Most people aren't buying it because they are as ignorant as you, listening to faux news instead of what the actual scientists write. None of them say the models are flawless. None of them say no debate is allowed ( they do say repeating the same lies over and over is useless though). They DON'T say it's all man made- far from it. Look up credibility yourself~ you don't have any when you base your argument on lies you made up about what scientists actually say.
BuggerthatJuly 28, 2014 3:56 pm
I see the expected spew of Denialist stupidity and lies.
VRJensen1 .July 28, 2014 3:44 pm
...Yeah The Earth is Flat. FLAT! FLAT! FLAT! No matter what science says or Facts put forward...because Big Oil, Faux News and Sean Hannity and a bunch of other Political Comentators Said so!....FLAT!
VRJensen1 .July 28, 2014 3:40 pm
....Sooo That is why Big Oil want's Drilling rights in the Arctic and in Anuar...I'm so glad they aren't greedy planet killers. OH Wait they are!
SA BenderJuly 28, 2014 3:38 pm
"Puzzlement" ? It's "Settled Science!" "NO debate allowed." The computer models are flawless...Forget about the deception they keep pushing, all of the left wing "scientists" say it's ALL man caused...SO IT IS! Nevermind they can't even tell if the Ice is getting bigger or smaller. Any wonder most Americans aren't buying the blatent attempt to force an Ideological driven agenda down our throats? Look up "credibility". Lame that they don't get why few buy in.
VRJensen1 .July 28, 2014 3:37 pm
it is Ironic yes that some bit of scientific evidence has some debate about it's accuracy. but not as depressingly sad as all the Climate Change Deniers who, no matter what Facts are placed in front of them, still can't seem to see the forest for the trees, but will believe whatever hype, lies and spin that manage to fall out of some Big Oil paid political commentators mouth....Sadly the Flat Earth Society is Alive and Well.
MagloreJuly 28, 2014 3:37 pm
So all of the models that prove global warming are wrong. They tried to recalibrate the instruments to get the right reading yet we still have not got what the models say.
TedsundayJuly 28, 2014 3:36 pm
Another consensus lie. Consensus is not science and your statement is false. Unfortunately for these researchers, there is no visible step in the Antarctic sea ice anomaly circa 1992. In fact, the graph is unusually flat during this period. On the other hand, starting around 2011, the graph shoots up at an uncharacteristically high rate. The error they describe cannot have produced this. Robert Willie
Mtn_ManJuly 28, 2014 3:36 pm
In the title of this article, the word green means "green" as in money as opposed to "green" as in environmentalism.
bgreen2266July 28, 2014 3:35 pm
True Science is not always static. It will and must be subject to revision as new data is incorporated.
Mtn_ManJuly 28, 2014 3:31 pm
On the deniers side,,,,it is to maintain a theory...in the form of political dogma.
Mtn_ManJuly 28, 2014 3:29 pm
The Deniers themselves are politically driven.
STEVIETEESJuly 28, 2014 3:27 pm
yeah you left wingers want to damage the economy more for what? Less than 6% total overall effect in the world because all the other countries are not dumb enough like us and make their country suffer for something that WILL NEVER BE PREVENTABLE!
RegionalismJuly 28, 2014 2:58 pm
I'm not sure where you are getting your information. 5 years ago there was a fairly prominent discussion about when the summer arctic ice would melt. They were estimating around 30 years in the future (~2037 give or take). What you are saying sounds like a deliberate misinterpretation. The paper is: Wang, M.; Overland, J. E. (2009). "A sea ice free summer Arctic within 30 years?". Geophysical Research Letters 36 The global surface temperatures have not cooled since 1998. http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm And please take a look at the papers on the ocean temperatures. There are a number of them, some of them are really well done. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7296/pdf/nature09043.pdf
Al HopferJuly 28, 2014 2:52 pm
On the other hand, the warm'ies have always been in force. Constantly. Every day in the media and via very large government institutions. Why? It is very hard to convince other's to a given opinion in the face of obvious discrepancies.
WarrenJuly 28, 2014 2:44 pm
Lets see: All 200 of the top Science Academies and Scientific Professional Organizations of the World have published reports or statements concluding that Earth is Warming and Man is the Cause. NONE dispute any aspect of AGW. The Pentagon takes AGW into account in its long range planning, as do Exxon, Chevron, my corporation, and an increasing number of corporations who businesses will be affected by the long range effects of Earth's warming. Yet we see multiple posts on this forum by non-scientists rejecting the conclusions of all the Science Academies. I wonder who's right -- the Academies and their PhD Scientists and the 10s of thousands of peer-reviewed research papers concluding the same, or the non-scientist Deniers?
RegionalismJuly 28, 2014 2:33 pm
Looks like the deniars are out in force. You might consider that this is not a conspiracy people.....and if you think this is a hoax you might want to consider why there are so many patently false things being said on your side. http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php Read the papers before you make statements about people working in the field. You are acting as if this is politically driven. It is not.
PV MaroJuly 28, 2014 2:33 pm
Is the goal to find the truth or find a way to maintain a theory?
GregJuly 28, 2014 2:28 pm
Ha. Global warming cultists professing skepticism over observable events that have already happened, while loudly screeching that the global warming hypothesis is indisputable and imminent. You can't make this stuff up.
PV MaroJuly 28, 2014 2:26 pm
"The Arctic Ocean sea ice is shrinking visibly, and the entire sea could be ice-free most summers in a few decades." Now they are learning. In 2007, AlGore famously quoted one of the climate alarmists who said that the Arctic would be ice-free in summers by 2013. Now it "could be" ice-free "most summers" - "IN A FEW DECADES." Or not.
Keith OliverJuly 28, 2014 2:17 pm
Deniers will always have an excuse when it comes to their pocketbooks!
RickJuly 28, 2014 2:10 pm
Its as the old saying goes, "figures don't lie, but liars figure".
AlexJuly 28, 2014 2:00 pm
I'm sure they can always find an excuse as to why things go against their theories. yet they wonder why so many do not believe them when they tell their theories.
jnobfanJuly 28, 2014 1:57 pm
Just stop it! Nobody believes anything you "climate" people say and its your own fault
grantJuly 28, 2014 1:56 pm
2 points. The western continent of Antarctica melting is not caused by Global Warming, it's caused by the active volcano that is 1 kilometer below the ice that is warming the water in the area, hence the melting and the strange designs of the ice that it is melting. This exact location was discovered a few years ago, and can be verified as the cause of the warm water and reason for the melting ice, yet the IPCC does not ever mention it. second point is don't look at the jump the article talks about, look at the measurements taken anally and you will see that the increase is huge. Even if the satellite data was off the first year when switching to it, the annual changes show increases that prove the ice is increasing at a very fast rate.
HighSnidesJuly 28, 2014 1:52 pm
"Scientists are naturally unhappy when data doesn’t match their predictions − and they want to know the reason why." Yes, but true scientist will alter their predictions if the data proves their original predictions wrong. The warming alarmists just look for ways to twist the data to fit their original predictions. In this case, Global Warming is a given so any data they find that contradicts that must be explained as a consequence of global warming. Hence the stupid theories about deep ocean currents, which must have been in hiding for 50 years before surfacing in 1998, to explain the lack of warming the last 15 years. As for this new story that the antarctic ice is not increases but instead its an error in the data, NASA has already come out and vehemently denied their estimates are incorrect. They said the error in their calculation was fixed a long time ago and now the data is accurate. If the theories of warming were given as much attention and scrutiny as the data the seems to contradict the warming theory, perhaps we would have some plausible truths about climate.
LewisJuly 28, 2014 1:52 pm
Scientist also speculate that the use of rubber yardsticks might be the problem. When questioned on this theory, "No comment" was the standard reply as these scientists realize where their salaries come from. Grants, donations, and tax dollars could shrink faster than Arctic ice.
silverfishimperitrixJuly 28, 2014 1:46 pm
Let's see if I've got this right: When data shows that sea ice is increasing, it's flawed, but when it proves global warming, it's 100% reliable. Got it. Thanks.
ohiodaleJuly 28, 2014 1:40 pm
More excuses from the scientist. When will people realize that the climate models are wrong. Name me a time they have predicted anything correctly. 5 years ago the Artic Ice was supposed to be completely melted in the summers. Now they are saying in 2 decades, as if we can believe them. So the satellite senors are wrong about Anarctica but correct in all other areas of the world? Scientist are educated fools. I wouldn't trust a scientist to change a light bulb in my house. I work in research and most (not all) of it is theory and not practical. The tempertures getting cooler over the last 16 years goes to prove the climate changes without the help of man. I love how recently the climate scientist put out a world map that showed how the temperatures around the world have increased over the last couple of decades. This map was not real measured data but data generated from the inaccurate climate models. It was all over Yahoo a couple of weeks ago. Of course 90% of the people believed it because they know zero about choatic mathamatical models. The truth comes out that the climate has significantly cooled over the last 16 years but yet we will see dire predictions about how tempertures are going up. BTW, it is a 100% guess that the heat is being absorbed in the ocean depths.
Michael BartoeJuly 28, 2014 1:30 pm
the biggest inconsistency is that we cause global warming
Daniel BargerJuly 28, 2014 1:13 pm
Desperate to maintain the global warming fiction NO lie is too big, NO deceit too heinous and NO conduct too self serving that it won't be employed by the church of global warming and it's fanatical adherents who do what all good liberal progtards do....pick and choose what science they like and denigrate and dismiss any science they don't like.
Spence PateJuly 28, 2014 1:07 pm
Yes...it's really increasing. This is the most ignorant question I've ever seen. Just because our failed climate models say it should be otherwise is not a very good reason to suspect it. We have freaking satellites...the same ones that measure Arctic Sea Ice decrease are clearly measuring Antarctic Sea Ice increasing. If you question one then you should question the other.
Rog TallblokeJuly 28, 2014 1:06 pm
Rule one of climate science. Data errors are always making it "worse than we thought".
Johnny BeachamJuly 28, 2014 12:55 pm
America should ban the words Climate change from being heard by the citizens.This is the worst myth to get more money from the citizens since the scam that Tobacco caused cancer.People die everyday in America that has never even touch are looked at tobacco products just a tax myth on a group of citizens just like the tax on Alcohol.
future is vegetarianJuly 28, 2014 10:41 am
Sorry for making an unfair comment. I was upset. But it's been proved that on a vegetarian diet. 7 billion people, maybe more would be fed thus erradicating hunger in the world. And according to many sources, if improving the climate is going to cost $40 trillions, ir we all adopted a vegetarian diet, that figure could be reduce by 80%!. My apologies to Amy Brazilian people who are readying this and congratulate for such an amazing World Cup, knowing that the 2016 Olympics are going to be a great success and celebration. It seems to me that what Mother Nature wants from all of us is that we work together.
Climate HomeJuly 27, 2014 10:03 pm
Hi Alex, Thanks for the note! I suspect this is an issue we will both differ on. For my part, I'm happy with my reporter's explanation as to why on this occasion the source was kept anonymous. We do this rarely but usually for good reason. Everyone else who was there appears to disagree, and we have been asking for other views - although evidently no-one emailed you. I'm interested by the claim we 'often quote anon Gov officials repeating identical lines from plenary sessions' - if you can email me some examples I want to look into this, as that worries me if that is the case. Happy to continue this on email Best ed
Doc ClimateJuly 27, 2014 9:05 pm
see the Citizens Climate Lobby website for details on the revenue-neutral carbon fee-and-dividend plan mentioned in pot below. Does not punish consumers, but will phase out fossil fuels. Successfully working in British Columbia for the past 5 years.
Delton ChenJuly 27, 2014 3:51 am
Here we propose a new carbon price as a globalised reward (not a tax) that would complement existing taxes. http://climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/1300701/phaseId/1301101/planId/1307204 Please offer your vote for this initiative.
Delton ChenJuly 27, 2014 3:43 am
Please read our proposal for an alternative policy for strongly mitigating climate change. If you agree with the ideas, then please vote ("Support Proposal") on the MIT webpage. http://climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/1300701/phaseId/1301101/planId/1307204
grampatcJuly 26, 2014 8:43 pm
The problem with Elected officials is usually they wait until the house has burned to the ground before they call 911. The USA has had the ability and technology to convert Ocean water to drinking water for the last 25 years, however wwe have no leaders that will start the ball rolling and get those plants up and working. Within 18 months enough fresh water could be produced that we could acyually be selling fresh water across the world. But as long as our leaders more about a snail darter than people , this will never happen.
hctrpntJuly 26, 2014 10:55 am
Preventable
future is vegetarianJuly 26, 2014 10:33 am
Rubbish...We'll see what happens after de 2016 Olympics. People just don't stop eating meat. But I just say one thing: Mother Nature doesn't need anyone.
Robin_GuenierJuly 25, 2014 5:20 pm
May I propose the UN as another "3C"? Two recent RTCC stories support this: (1) "UN presents 'shopping list' for 2015 climate deal" (10 July 2014). This provides a helpful link to said list. This confirms that the UN believes that the 2015 deal must not rewrite the 1992 UNFCCC and specifically mentions Article 4. Yet Article 4.7 allowed developing countries (responsible for nearly 70% of global emissions) to make economic growth an overriding priority over GHG emissions. It was a major reason for failure in Copenhagen. And now the UN proposes to make it an integral part of the Paris deal. (2) "Mary Robinson appointed UN climate change envoy" (14 July 2014). And Ms Robinson is reported to told RTCC's Sophie Yeo (see Ms Yeo's article dated 19 September 2013): "Developing economies such as China, on the other hand, will focus on their right to use fossil fuels to develop in the present as the UK and the US have done in the past, and that it is therefore up to these countries to enable them to do so." Yet China is responsible for nearly 30% of global emissions - more than the US and EU combined. Hang on: maybe you'd better make that a "4C"!
climate-justice.infoJuly 25, 2014 4:32 pm
Thanks, Ed. Sorry it was Alex Rafalowicz commenting and commenting again now... Although I do think twitter/comments are a different forum to "news" stories, but perhaps RTCC prefers to be a blog - that's fine, whatever standards you want to apply. As (surely one of your most dedicated!) readers I understand the need to occasionally use anonymous quotes but I think context is important. A Gov official not allowed to speak to the media, ok - although I would note that RTCC often quotes anonymous Gov officials repeating almost identical lines to those used in plenary. But a CSO rep making an unsubstantiated claim (one I do not think was verified by Sophie - and I'm emailing her about that) doesn't seem like a very good use. I do hope you look into the standards you have on this. I agree that it's politically interesting that the voices of people who have expressed concerns about carbon markets as 'solutions' haven't been heard yet at the UNFCCC, but I think that's changing. I'd disagree that the idea of 'green economy' is specifically in the UNFCCC decisions (it was hardly in the Rio+20 outcome in the end). Not sure what this refers to: "many protests against human rights abuses around the world" - there was one show of solidarity with Gaza - no other 'protest' that I was aware of... and that was spontaneously organised by folk in reaction to what was happening...you of all people appreciate news : ) Otherwise given it was a climate conference not sure what you expected? I think it's unlikely those marching related to the Ban Ki Moon Summit in NYC will talk about the use of Lethal Autonomous Robots against civilians or the widespread detention without charge and state-violence against the Occupy protests, but hey, you never know. Didn't send me any interview requests and you know I'm always there for you :P Am emailing sophie too. Best - Alex
Robin_GuenierJuly 25, 2014 4:00 pm
Yes ... well maybe. It depends what's meant by "save". The truth is that, without Obama, the BASIC group and their "Accord", there would have been nothing of which to "take note". But, in any case, however you look at it, Copenhagen was a disaster for the West. As Rupert Darwell put it, " ... there was a side that lost more comprehensively than at any international conference in modern history where the outcome had not been decided beforehand by force of arms."* And that side was the West. In particular, the result was that the Non-Annex I countries (the developing economies - now responsible for about 70% of global emissions) - accepted no change to their original UNFCCC Article 4.7 freedom to increase their emissions in pursuit of economic growth. It's a position that's unchanged since 2009 and threatens to undermine next year's Conference in Paris. I suggest it would have been preferable had Miliband not intervened. Then the true failure of the Conference could have been fully exposed, recognised and not, as happened, swept under the carpet. And then it might have been possible to face up to harsh reality with time (just) to do something about it. Now it may well be too late. ** "The Age of Global Warming", 310
Climate HomeJuly 25, 2014 3:12 pm
Yes - it sounds surprising, but do check the linked article for Fred Pearce's take on Copenhagen and what Miliband did (or didn't) do Ed - RTCC
Robin_GuenierJuly 25, 2014 2:59 pm
That's funny - I thought the Copenhagen conference was saved from total failure by a last minute meeting between Obama and the BASIC countries (Brazil, S Africa, India and China). The EU was not represented - i.e. Miliband wasn't even there.
Charles MetcalfeJuly 25, 2014 1:22 pm
Your last point, the economic viability of Shale gas in the UK, is the only one that might change the minds of industry and, even, the Government. The Govt has been deaf to all evidence of the inadequacy of UK 'regulations', and dismisses solid evidence of the harm to environment, people and animals in the US, Australia and Canada, and the worries about fugitive methane emissions. But the economic argument might be the answer. Frackers are already losing money in the US, and everyone admits the costs will be much higher here. But to continue the dangerous experiment, with no adequate UK regulation, would be cynical and shocking. It treats the UK environment, water supply, and health of people and animals as dispensable. We are guinea-pigs in an experiment by the oil and gas industry to see if they can squeeze out a few more dollars profit before they have to give up their fossil fuel addiction for good.
ron harperJuly 25, 2014 12:35 pm
Abbott knows he has a short time to help his investors and that is the reason he is destroying Australia's economy
Climate HomeJuly 25, 2014 9:58 am
Hi climate justice-info, Many people prefer to speak anonymously (as we can see from the name on your email/twitter). It's not standard practice and we try and avoid it where possible, as should be apparent from most of our stories, but all sources are verified by reporters. From a political perspective, we found it interesting that the declaration calls for policies that appear to contradict the efforts of the UN climate negotiations - which specifically call for a green economy and use of markets. It also seems odd that while there were many protests against human rights abuses around the world, few participants were keen to mention the host country's recent record. Our reporter Sophie would be very happy to follow this up with you. We have put in a number of interview requests with the government and participants, none of which have so far been replied to. Best wishes, Ed King, RTCC editor
midnighteyeJuly 25, 2014 4:26 am
How on earth did you get on the page, Science Officer? My polite message merely pointing out that coal can help the Europeans get out of the Russian natural gas stranglehold it has on them was deleted almost before I had a chance to refresh the page. Perhaps someone is afraid of my stating the obvious!
midnighteyeJuly 25, 2014 4:13 am
I am pleased to see that the Europeans may not have completely lost their minds after all. With Putin's natural gas fuelled antics in eastern Europe only likely to intensify if he gets away with what he is up to at the moment, coal looks to be a white knight riding to a rescue they hardly deserve but which may anyway release them from the Russian blackmail.
ReddlerJuly 25, 2014 2:47 am
Renewables are unreliable.
4TimesAYearJuly 24, 2014 10:23 pm
Doesn't sound like an end to capitalism to me: "Venezuela climate summit calls for end to ‘green economy’" Did someone write that wrong???
FritzJuly 24, 2014 7:01 pm
I dunno, the Danes seem happy to me, Officer: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/denmark-happiest-country_n_4070761.html
Dave JonesJuly 24, 2014 4:11 pm
Thanks Megan for the article! The report you cite is available at the link below, as is a free database of all the EU power stations with their emissions, fuel type, capacity and investment status. http://www.sandbag.org.uk/reports/ Dave Jones, Sandbag
climate-justice.infoJuly 24, 2014 2:55 pm
I was there (full disclosure so means I accepted the flight and accommodation from Venezuelan Gov) and although quoting people anonymously is RTCC standard practice it seems a pretty weird thing to do in this context... Particularly as (as I said, being there) every single "Mesa" (or roundtable) nominated its own facilitator and rapporteur and selected its own agenda completely driven by participants. As far as I recall none of those positions were filled by the apparently all-powerful Venezuelan movements who so crushed your anonymous "participant." Interesting that those criticising the declaration may not have read it - it actually criticises all systems that focus on the commodification of nature and calls on developing countries to move away from development models based on fossil fuels. To see a Minister from Venezuela read out a declaration that says that, and that 80% of fossil fuels need to stay in the ground, is indicative of a process that actually challenged Venezuela's current position - and the Government welcomed that challenge.
Science OfficerJuly 24, 2014 1:29 pm
In Denmark, the poster child of wind power in Europe, their coal usage has remained relatively unchanged since launching their massive, heavily subsidized wind power program. They enjoy the highest utility rates in Europe and pay similarly high costs at the gas pump. Their CO2 emissions have been lowering, thanks to using more natural gas. Imagine how much happier they would be, if they weren't throwing away a chunk of their paychecks every month for the vanity of having a forest of wind mills in their backyards. Imagine how foolish they will feel, when the hoax of CAGW is finally acknowledged for what it is.
NeilJuly 24, 2014 12:23 pm
The planet's doomed because of human overpopulation.
bmatkinJuly 24, 2014 3:56 am
I was waiting for the environmental part of the declaration and all there was....was political.
Smarter than Your Average BearJuly 23, 2014 11:02 pm
Short of getting 5 or 6 million marching on NY on that day this can only end badly - as in the media going on about not enough support -
jimharveyJuly 23, 2014 6:35 pm
Venezuela is next on the list.....
ekofreekJuly 23, 2014 4:45 pm
I'm there.
Gerald KatzJuly 23, 2014 6:50 am
Besides solar potential which can satisfy most of the higher daytime loads as pump pump water into tanks or fields a few batteries can provide lighting and other power needs during the night. Street lights with solar panels, batteries and leds are a popular product in that the increased cost is offset by avoiding tge expense of hooking them to the grid which often meandvtearing up tge streets. Mexico also has a lot of geothermal potential and had been exporting power to the USA from the Cuero Prieta region. Solar can benefit millions of rural residents just by providing water for irrigation and sanitation and basic improvements like lihhting, communications and refrigerators. The major reason for the increased flow of immigrants especially the children is to escape the violence spawned by tge American market for drugs that the government has madr illegal, the gangs terrorize and kill with guns and rifles from America. Must be that guns for drugs deals that Reagan and Ollie North got going. The government's of El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala have blocked reforms in workers right and land ownership usually with CIA aid and American guns. Fortunately Belize and Costa Rica have kept democratic goverments for the people not the wealthiest, while Venezuela, Nicaragua and Uraguay have overcone the right wings and created socially beneficial economies that give the workers a fair deal. Children are fleeing none of the progressive counttied of the Americas. Mexico implementing renewable energy and sustainable development will probably be able to get people to return to the land and towns with more opportunities than their getting in the declining economies based on fossil fuel and cobtrol of the wealth by a small percentage of right wing billionaires. Done right Mexico might be able to improve the lives of their people like China and India had. I met people in Baja who emigrated from the USA when Reagan was elected, they finally have immigrant status and do proud their grandson is a Mexican citizen. They have a little house near the besch in El Pescador. Beautiful town an hour north of Cabos. So quiet and peaceful, getting more so as dolat replaced generators.
Robin_GuenierJuly 22, 2014 12:30 pm
Here's a recent statement by Mrs Robinson**: "We need to change the debate on climate change – to move beyond its construct as a scientific or environmental problem and to realise that it is in essence an issue of development and of rights. Taking a climate justice approach to climate change means you respect human rights. I particularly welcome the Human Rights Council’s reaffirmation that human rights principles and obligations can inform and strengthen policy making on climate change at all levels." It's hard to disagree. Yes, let’s move from sterile debate about the science of climate change and the environment and focus instead on how best to improve human development, justice and human rights. And there can be no better way of achieving these things than the improvement of well-being by eradicating extreme poverty and hunger and providing access to healthcare, clean water, education, efficient agriculture and good communication. And recent peer-reviewed research has indicated the best way to achieve all this.*** An extract: “Humans use fossil fuels in various activities tied to economic development, leading to increases in carbon emissions and economic development is widely recognized as a pathway to improving human well-being.” An outstanding example is provided by China: because of affordable, reliable electric power derived from inexpensive fossil fuels, mainly coal, it has lifted over 600 million people out of poverty in the last 30 years. It’s hardly surprising other developing economies are determined to emulate that astonishing achievement. But it’s probably not what Mrs Robinson has in mind. And it's totally at odds with those UN negotiations aimed at an agreement to cut carbon emissions that this report tells us is "set" to be signed off next year in Paris. ** http://www.mrfcj.org/news/statement-resolution-on-climate-change-and-human-rights.html *** http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n3/full/nclimate2110.html
350orbustJuly 22, 2014 11:11 am
A revenue-neutral carbon fee and dividend system is simple to implement and easy for the public to understand, and stops polluters from using our common atmosphere as a dumping ground. A fee is collected at the source - mine, wellhead, or when it comes across the border - and rebated among all citizens equally. It doesn't swell government coffers or pick winners and losers in the carbon game. It truly is a free market solution. It's too bad it wasn't mentioned in the article.
SA_NYCJuly 22, 2014 7:56 am
That's funny, I just read today that the globe just experienced its warmest average month ever--for the second month in a row. Hottest years ever on record are 2010 and 1998 (2010 above 1998), with 2014YTD on pace for third. So, how's that cooling trend looking?
SteveJuly 22, 2014 1:16 am
sounds good to me.
Climate HomeJuly 21, 2014 5:18 pm
Michael, that's an excellent point, and it won't happen again! But it does do a job in representing the 'church', and after all, we are all one under god ed
Science OfficerJuly 21, 2014 4:31 pm
Australians everywhere are breathing a little more freely.
jabbadonutJuly 21, 2014 1:56 pm
Stop punishing those who need the money to develop cleaner processes. A "tax" helps no one, and instead causes prices to rise. Of course those of you hell bent on destroying capitalism don't really care about that now, do you? Who gets this "carbon tax" money? What is it then used for? How can you believe making the cost of energy rise helps mitigate global warming? I think it is much simpler: Identify all those facilities responsible for the majority of the CO2 emissions, and HELP THEM work on cleaning up their processes so they either reduce emissions to zero, or at least lower them. Punishing them with a "tax" helps NO ONE.
Innocent IdahosaJuly 21, 2014 1:22 pm
Climate job............global task.All the best.
handjiveJuly 21, 2014 10:17 am
In 2012 Australia was officially declared drought free. http://www.theage.com.au/environment/weather/its-official-australia-no-longer-in-drought-20120427-1xpsp.html Emissions were reported @400ppm. So what is causing the current droughts in 2014?
MichaelJuly 21, 2014 4:20 am
Thanks for the article. But I'm curious why there is a photo of the Catholic Cathedral in an article about the Anglican Church?
Science OfficerJuly 21, 2014 3:22 am
First, arrange the kickbacks and extortion fees. Then, take the money and run. If the world gets warmer, we didn't take enough money. If the world gets cooler, then the plan worked. It's a win-win money making scheme. Who could object to that?
BLJuly 20, 2014 8:43 pm
Many countries have made it a crime to deny the holocaust - look it up.
Leo WiserJuly 20, 2014 1:11 pm
Prof Phil Jones of CRU at East Anglia says that there has been no global temp increase since 1995.
Robin_GuenierJuly 19, 2014 8:58 am
It's interesting that climate change is seen as the secondary issue in this letter, with the eradication of poverty very much the first. And that's hardly surprising: the developing economies (responsible for nearly 70% of CO2 emissions) are, in keeping with the main thrust of the letter, prioritising the improvement in the condition of their very poor - an ambition that's been demonstrated is best achieved by the provision of affordable, reliable electric power derived from inexpensive fossil fuels.** The best example is China. It's exploitation of fossil fuels has enabled it to lift over 600 million people out of poverty in the last 30 years.*** It's hardly surprising that other developing economies are seeking to follow that example. ** http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n3/full/nclimate2110.html (An extract from this recent research: "increases in carbon emissions and economic development is widely recognized as a pathway to improving human well-being`".) *** http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/china/overview. (Go to ‘results’)
JessJuly 18, 2014 11:56 pm
What a beautiful wall!
Brandt HardinJuly 18, 2014 8:37 pm
Nelson Mandela changed the face of racial politics across the globe. His message should live on and all races should embrace their own voice as a people to stand against governments who would have us segregated and separated by race, class, gender or creed. Many minorities and social classes still fight to this day for equal pay and equal rights. I paid my own homage to Mandela shortly after his passing with a portrait of the world leader at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2013/12/in-memoriam-nelson-mandela.html where you can drop by and let us know how he’s influenced you!
Dan DelgadoJuly 18, 2014 8:35 pm
Australia has had droughts ever since there's been an Australia. Don't you people get tired of lying?
TruGhost OfBoJuly 18, 2014 5:57 pm
More couldda wouldda shouldda, from the pseudo science, Academic Alchemist's Brush fires caused by GloBULL, according to The National Science Foundation, tsunami's are too
Liberals are MoronsJuly 18, 2014 5:04 pm
Can't wait to see how their economy rebounds, finally a country is standing up to the global warming myth.
David GreenJuly 18, 2014 4:42 pm
wow! you actually swallow the propaganda. Not any of the AGW forecast models has proven accurate. There have been much more rapid changes in climate in the past and life adapted. CO2 levels have been 15 times higher in the past. All plants except C4 plants (think sugar and corn) benefit greatly from increased CO2 levels and are not "less nutritious" despite the strange Yahoo article from a wacko scientist claiming as much.
windy2July 18, 2014 4:18 pm
How is participating in the democratic process and refusing to be taken advantage of by lying politicians and green rent seekers "Europhobic"?
floridanativeeJuly 18, 2014 3:55 pm
I don't think we need any massive societal change and if we did, it would be up to the individual country, not the socialist UN.
Alan CarterJuly 18, 2014 3:41 pm
This is an excellent report on the blatant contradictions with the highly ideological and opportunistic stance of the Venezuelan Government, ably expressed by Alejandro Luy, to climate change and lack of environmental initiatives in Venezuela. Without concern for human rights including the right of all Venezuelans [including the more than 7 million who voted for the opposition candidate in last year's presidential election] to live and participate in a society without fear of violence and access to basic commodities, it is not surprising that the Venezuelan Government has done nothing on landfill gases from food wastes, high air pollution in major cities to mention only a few examples. Venezuela has attracted attention at previous Climate Change conferences but it's government ironically finds company with the very conservative ideologically ones of Canada and Australia where politics dominate and there is a complete action of meaningful action on Climate Change.
IlmaJuly 18, 2014 3:23 pm
I have to look at the observational data when I decide who to believe, the LibDems or UKIP, and the trend data for most, if not all weather events/measurements do not support Davey's alarmist case. Davey is 'yesterdays man', and nature herself has rendered him obsolete.
David MaddernJuly 18, 2014 2:25 pm
Buy coal stocks mate, good value, because there's widespread shifting of investments from Carbon rich to banks and so on that don't invest in coal. they'll be cheap.
David MaddernJuly 18, 2014 2:17 pm
Abbott's only claim to fame is that he has the World's First Tea Party Government. He is one of the Looney Right, one of Sarah Palin's ilk.
John SmithJuly 18, 2014 1:35 pm
I don't believe Europe has outlawed Holocaust denial
budermanJuly 18, 2014 11:24 am
Yes bravo Australia for caving in to powerful corporate interests who put their own investors short term greed before the long term interests of humanity. They want to continue to see us depend on polluting and environmentally destructive fuel sources and technologies because its in their financial benefit to do so. They lack the capacity to consider the possible future consequences of their short term get rich quick corporate thinking on all of humanity. Are you that confident of your positions to not accept the possibility that global climate is real? And what if you are wrong do you accept the responsibility for being so confident now that are right and the possible consequences of not taking concrete actions to reverse global warming?
LukeJuly 18, 2014 10:19 am
So many here are happy to see a tax scrapped that did absolutely nothing to lower emissions or drop carbon and only raised prices all over. Funny thing being, with all the effort being made, the whole world would manage to drop our overall temperature by .00038 degrees celcius by 2100. Might pay for people bagging us to dig a bit deeper into the global warming scam and get some real knowledge. BTW @davepope and RichardMcLellan, Emus don't bury their head in the sand, that's an Ostrich trick.
JoeskiJuly 18, 2014 12:56 am
Good to see some sane people on this planet.
ArtisteJuly 17, 2014 10:56 pm
What have you found that works in making massive societal change?
notbentJuly 17, 2014 10:49 pm
Bravo, Australia! You are the first to say, "The emporer has no clothes!" May others wise up and follow your fine example. Prime Minister Abbott - you have served your country well by jettisoning the economy-stifling carbon tax. A good leader you are -putting your people first and rejecting this mascaraded global wealth-redistribution scheme. Here in the U.S. we are enjoying a summer polar vortex. On top of 18 years of NON-warming temps. So much for global warming/climate disruption/climate change. Or whatever the meme de jour is. Like that little boy who first pointed out the obvious, Prime Minister Abbott, I'm afraid you're going to suffer quite a bit of pressure and rdicule at first from those who have too much of their credibility and fortunes invested in the global warming/climate disruption/climate change flim-flam. But hold tight - you'll have the last laugh! Many people rejoice in Australia's wise decision today.
CobraJuly 17, 2014 9:31 pm
I applaud Australias decision to repeal the ridiculous, regressive, carbon tax. For the countries that have implemented a carbon tax, which other taxes have been reduced or repealed to offset the carbon tax? Or do the governments just enjoy the windfall of all the extra cash rolling in from the poor energy consumers? I fear the carbon tax is designed to increase government income, not reduce pollution.
ben_stanklinJuly 17, 2014 7:55 pm
LOL 'Global Outrage' maybe among the hand-wringing UN bureaucrats and lemming cult worshipers of Al Gore and BH Obama who believe they can 'limit warming to below 2C...' by taxing carbon. Ben wonders just how much in taxes does 'limiting warming to <= 2C' require and what great overseer of mother Gaia collects said taxes to save us all from the climatic cataclysms that are to surely ensue at the magic 2C threshold, according to the left wing universe? If we can tax the Earth's populace to hold 'warming' to 1.9C are we then safe? Ben reserves his chastisement for the Aussies until such a time as empirical proof is given that humans can control and regulate the temperature of the Earth by taxation or any other means. In the meantime may you chicken littles wail and gnash your teeth while I fire up my charcoal barbeque and raise a sudsy glass in congratulations to Mr Abbott for making all you bed wetters in the carbon cabal cry in your chardonnay.
jplaist002July 17, 2014 7:20 pm
global outrage? Really? THE GLOBE overrides the will and pocketbook of the Australian people?
MichaeljJuly 17, 2014 7:02 pm
The clear strategy is, there is no strategy and it is not needed.
u140904July 17, 2014 6:23 pm
Finally somebody is waking up to this scam.
alneumanJuly 17, 2014 6:13 pm
seen for what it was, a hoax to re-distribute wealth, Australia took the only action a responsible country could.
PeacefulArgumentJuly 17, 2014 5:50 pm
Personally, I have bought 2 Australian stocks since this was announced and I intend to invest very heavily in Australia in the coming year. This is going to be a huge boon for their economy and the fact that a major industrialized nation has finally silently admitted that the whole thing is a joke to begin with is telling .
Robin_GuenierJuly 17, 2014 12:02 pm
Ed: you claim that "global moves to address climate change are accelerating". But an examination of what's really happening suggests the opposite. For example, as you know, the UN held two major negotiating sessions in Bonn this year, yet at neither was any progress made towards resolving the two key obstacles that have dogged all UN climate negotiations - and were the cause of the debacle at Copenhagen. These are: (1) the bifurcation between developed and developing countries enshrined in Article 4.7 of the 1992 UN Convention (enabling the latter to give economic growth an overriding priority over emission reduction) ; and (2) the deep divide on finance revealed by China's and India's insistence that a legally binding provision of massive funding from the developed to the developing economies should be a precondition of a Paris deal. These are fundamental and exceptionally tricky issues. Given current progress (none) they're most unlikely to be resolved before Lima - or even before Paris. That doesn't sound much like "the advanced stages of talks at the UN" to which you refer.
steveJuly 16, 2014 9:25 pm
this ain't good at all
David G. MusserJuly 16, 2014 7:49 pm
that's a blankload of $ to invest. it would be a shame if skeptics were to interfere with trillion dollar green profits now wouldn't it?
agsbJuly 16, 2014 4:56 pm
What about all the Ozone eating chemicals that come from an active volcano and Antarctica has many active volcanoes? Its kind of funny that CFC were outlawed only to be replaced by HFC's which this report says caused more damage. With the world getting colder, I would think HFC's would be welcomed since many record cold Temps have been broken
Jean-Sébastien BrocJuly 16, 2014 11:16 am
See also the discussion paper by ECEEE about setting targets for sustainable energy demand, where the issues related to this topic are covered in details: http://www.eceee.org/policy-areas/2030-policy-framework
RHO1953July 15, 2014 5:59 pm
This is ridiculous. Everyone is a fucking communist these days. Nuts.
Andy_RevkinJuly 15, 2014 5:04 pm
Fluent Chinese speaker and veteran China journalist confirms Xie was discussing peaking, not a cap. Big distinction in climate diplomacy circles. Dot Earth: China Clarifies its Plans on Setting a CO2 Emissions Peak http://nyti.ms/1kZKSe0
tmalthus2010July 15, 2014 3:27 am
Yeah, we're all gonna die. We get that a lot nowadays.
kcy2014July 15, 2014 1:26 am
Climate Justice? Global Court? Carbon Tax? Wealth Redistribution? Is this the same United Nations that said that Mother Nature has a soul and has the same rights as humans?
tmalthus2010July 15, 2014 1:05 am
Q - What kind of scientific background does Mary Robinson have? A - She doesn't. She's a lawyer and scientific illiterate.
floridanativeeJuly 14, 2014 11:36 pm
Another example of the massive waste of time and money by the UN.
BuggerthatJuly 14, 2014 10:51 pm
And so it goes.
Drom EDaryJuly 14, 2014 10:35 pm
Sooo, did the illustrators show the growing Antarctic Ice sheet. Noooo Surprise, Surprise, Surprise
Drom EDaryJuly 14, 2014 9:57 pm
So, Did the new illustrations show the expanding Antarctic ice??? No?? Well Golleee, surprise, surprise, surprise......
TruGhost OfBoJuly 14, 2014 9:41 pm
Did the illustrators also show the expansion of the Antarctic ice??? Didn't think so..
Science OfficerJuly 14, 2014 9:14 pm
For all the scientific accuracy displayed in this Atlas, I'm surprised the Earth isn't shown as flat.....
shindigJuly 14, 2014 6:30 pm
Noting that Tol is NOT a scientist. He's an economist.
Bob JohnsonJuly 14, 2014 6:30 pm
Australia, being a generally more thoughtful country than the U.S., is well on the way to throwing the climate change alarmists and money grabbers out. Here in the U. S. we will probably have to wait a few more election cycles to achieve as good of a result. It has been a long, costly lesson in: if you fund scientists to make theories, they will make them to your liking to get more funds for more theories later.
Ben WildeJuly 14, 2014 11:54 am
Well largely because the international community responded and dealt with the ozone-hole by unilaterally banning large CFC outputs, ocean acidification is still as relevant as ever with the US just agreeing landmark protection of the Pacific on oceanic acidification. I suspect all those scientists are probably doing exactly what they were doing then and continuing to produced peer-reviewed work to better inform the scientific community, policy-makers and the general public.
earth friendlyJuly 13, 2014 9:39 am
I thought there was a population problem!
MervynJuly 13, 2014 6:44 am
I am sick and tired of the Tim Flannery's of this world. Tim Flannery has no shame spouting off climate predictions that keep turning out to be utterly incorrect. These alarmists are in denial of the overwhelming body of scientific literature that does not support the IPCC's supposition on catastrophic man-made global warming. More importantly, they are in denial of the real world observational data on climate, which proves they are all wrong. With record increases in carbon dioxide emissions, the alarmists climate models predicted rising global average temperature trends based on various rising carbon dioxide emission scenarios. Instead, for almost 18 years now, there has been a temperature pause. The climate models have failed to predict this pause. According to climate models, it was predicted that Antarctica would lose half its ice by 2014. Instead, the real data from the US National Ice and Snow Data Center reveals the greatest amount of ice ever recorded since satellite measurements commenced with 2.1 million square miles of extra ice compared to this time last year. The real data from the US agency, NOAA, reveals hurricane activity has declined in number and strength over the last 30+ years which is contrary to the alarmists claims. And even the IPCC's 5th Assessment Report acknowledged global warming is not responsible for this activity. As for rising sea levels, the precision satellite systems do not show a discernible rise in sea levels. For example, check out the European ENVISAT data and see for yourself. I won't go on. You get my point. From Obama and Prince Charles to the Tim Flannery's of the world who keep repeating the same old alarmist claims based on models... they are wrong. The real actual data proves it.
JMAJuly 12, 2014 7:30 pm
BL: nice degree of fervour, shame about the science. Predictive models run on complex natural systems commonly do not work well if based on simple first principles (e.g. GHGs): there are too many unknown parameters and feedbacks that may strongly affect the system (water vapour a likely candidate in this case). So the models need to be tested by comparing them to observations. The CO2- driven climate models have spectacularly failed to predict the last 15-17 years of no increase in average global temperatures, strongly suggesting that the models' input assumptions and predictions are wrong. This failure plus ice-core data indicate that CO2 is not a strong driver of climate change. It is far from criminal to require better proof of catastrophic CO2- driven warming before wasting huge amounts of money on what appears to be an insignificant issue, especially when the funds could be better spent on curing diseases, reducing famine, and so on.
CartoonmickJuly 12, 2014 6:42 am
No one knows for sure what effect the massive overdose of carbon in our atmosphere will have on our environment in years to come. As a mere mortal, I have 2 choices. 1. I can believe the Politicians, Big Biz and the various attached chorus lines that say there's nothing to worry about. Based on minimal scientific knowledge and experience of their own, they tell us all will be well, and we can continue to save the economy (rich get richer and poor get poorer) whilst crapping in our own nest. or 2. I can believe a majority of the Scientists who are experts in this field and have minimal vested interest in the economy. Hmm, decisions, decisions,,,, it seems we stand a good chance of either wrecking our economy or wrecking our environment. Now, what's most important to me? And should I be intimidated by noisy groups who keep demonising the "messenger(s)" Maybe this cartoon would worth considering at this point . . . http://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-775 Cheers Mick
Mark BarterJuly 11, 2014 10:26 pm
Tim Flannery is alarmed at the mistruths being spread. OMG what a hypocrite. Maybe we should remind him of all his ludicrous predictions that NEVER came true. He wants to "keep the science in the headlines". Sure. Why not. Its about time we had real science in the headlines instead of the Tim Flannery style of alarmism which is against the laws of science, the very science he claims to represents. So, lets start with "in science, empirical evidence ALWAYS trumps theory". Yep that's right. If just one piece of empirical evidence exists that disproves the theory then the theory is, by the laws of science, wrong. One example, the ice core samples, clearly show temps rising, on average, 800 years BEFORE CO2 levels and temps falling, on average, 800 years BEFORE CO2. This clearly shows that CO2 is not controlling temps. According to the laws of science, Mr Flannery, the AGW theory has been proven wrong. Now could you please explain to Australia, and the rest of the world, why you have taken our money off us and used that money to spread your lies about CO2 causing global warming when I have just clearly shown you that the empirical evidence has proved the theory wrong. Given there exists empirical evidence that disproves this theory, there cannot, therefore, also exist evidence that proves the theory to be correct. It is IMPOSSIBLE. Please explain how you can pas yourself off as a reputable scientist when you have defraud the public at large by claiming the science is in when you are completely ignoring the REAL science and inflicting you brand of voodoo science onto us and, worst of all, you used our money to con us. We demand and explanation, an apology and a refund of our money.
John SamuelJuly 11, 2014 10:04 pm
The GWPF is aligned with Heartland. Heartland has just aligned itself with creationists. The anti-science movement is no longer ashamed of its ignorance. UKIP and a chunk of Tories will follow. http://io9.com/creationists-help-climate-change-deniers-attack-scienc-1603554406/all
john_busbyJuly 11, 2014 9:10 pm
BGS has ruled out gas extraction in the South East and with 5% recovery the oil resources would only last the UK 5 months at its current consumption rate. In the US shale gas production is peaking and the drilling action is moving to "sweet spots" of "wet" gas for NGLs and oil in the Eagle Ford and Bakken plays. In the North BGS finds only gas, but the energy return of gas on the diesel energy investment is of little gain. Unless BGS can identify similar "sweet spots" fracking in the UK is an unlikely pursuit. BGS has so far not had a mandate for looking for "wet" gas and needs further prospecting to find it. Shell and other majors are looking eslewhere for gas, mainly to be shipped as LNG from "stranded" fields like Qatar. There is also no UK treatment works with a permit to take in the wastewater with its toxins, high salinity and NORM. The radioactive scaling of the process equipment and pipework means that the works need to find the capital to build dedicated treatment plant for it. Fracking got away in the US with the "Halliburton Loophole" in which the Safe Drinking Water Act 1974 was set aside and it enjoyed a regulation "holiday" with terrible consequences for health and water contamination. Royalty agreements with landowners contained "gagging" clauses, but much has been revealed. It is simply not worth ruining the countryside for such little gain.
adam_s_0625July 11, 2014 8:18 pm
That's why a majority elected Abbott into office. Oh, wait. That doesn't make sense. Could it be the alarmists are delusional???
adam_s_0625July 11, 2014 8:15 pm
"The head of Australia’s leading climate advisory body has lashed out at what he says is a concerted attempt by politicians and media groups to spread climate denial." As opposed to what? The head of Australia’s leading climate advisory body supporting a concerted attempt by politicians and media groups to spread climate alarmism? Geez.
Eleanor H.July 11, 2014 5:31 pm
What about investing in the securities of companies in the renewable energy and energy efficiency area? I saw no questions in the survey about that. We have to have energy. Divestment from fossil fuels should provide money for support for the transition to a clean energy economy.
Eleanor H.July 11, 2014 5:22 pm
I see no mention of reinvesting the money obtained through divestment. Reinvesting in securities in renewable energy and energy efficiency companies should follow divestment. We have to have energy. Divestment should be supporting the transition to a clean energy economy. Did the World Council of Churches decision involve reinvestment?
joshJuly 11, 2014 4:29 pm
having grown up on the southern fringe of the Albert tar sands and knowing damn well the negative ecological impact this has had I greet this news with joy We can do better as a species than adopt lifestyles that cause our planet to try to shrug parts of the infestation off .
Science OfficerJuly 11, 2014 4:18 pm
Don't worry folks...we'll work out the important kickback and extortion fee arrangements in plenty of time to save the planet.
Frank SnappJuly 11, 2014 2:23 pm
No fracking can not supply energy. Fracking does not produce net energy, bottom line. Also, there are dozens of well developed clean, less costly, more accessible, alternative 24/7/365 energy alternatives such as non-blade municipal sized helical wind, wave, solar (Germany--also cloudy 50% of it's grid now), tidal, reverse ion, HVAC, urban human thermal, etc. Don't let fossil fuel greedy types fool you. You brits are smarter than that, aren't you?
Dave AndrewsJuly 11, 2014 2:21 pm
man-made acid rain, man-made ozone hole, man-made death of the oceans... all alarming front-page headlines from decades past based on the "consensus of the world's leading scientists." Funny, you don't see those headlines anymore. Where are those scientists now, anyway? Have they moved on to a new global threat?
NicholBJuly 11, 2014 12:33 pm
Strange .. would eastern Europe not have great renewable resources as well, that are also becoming more competitive every year? I wonder how large this 'burden' is, in fact. Maybe, the ETS system amounts rather to a huge subsidy for coal, in the form of free ETS allowances. Maybe the rest of Europe could threaten to allow Poland to step outside the ETS system. They would lose that ETS subsidy, and the ETS allowance would then need to be paid on any power imported to one of the ETS countries.
Steven JonesJuly 11, 2014 10:15 am
It is science people.. there is no debate.. it is evidence not belief that frames the climate disaster we are facing. Keep your dirty coal in the ground, wake up and grow up.
Dean BrucknerJuly 10, 2014 9:25 pm
Like the priests and worshipers of the ancient Canaanite storm god Baal (the original climate disruption/change deity), Bishop Wilmot lashes out against all who will not bow the knee to Green idolatry. Watch for more messages supporting the agendas of revived deities and Baal pals Asherah and Molech. He doesn't even realize he's rooting for the wrong team.
DannzJuly 10, 2014 4:47 pm
Any comments by the Chief Climate Clown - Flannery - should be censored and publication prohibited. He is not a climate scientist therefore his views according to the Warmists should not be heard.
DannzJuly 10, 2014 4:43 pm
The average Australian recognises a rort when s/he sees one. This was never about Global Warming it was always about money and a grab for power. Time to charge Flannery and others with fraud.
Michael HarrisJuly 10, 2014 12:10 pm
I have seem many times the radical left, toying with fascism to protect the earth. Kuni below, is a great example. The reason Lawson influences politicians is because he is talking sense, and using real world evidence to back up his claims. All the Global warming scientists ever do is refer to climate models and predictions. Can someone tell me why it is that models are getting further and further away from what is really happening in the real world? Why is it that all the major data sets used for predictions is showing a cooling trend over the last 16 years, when the CO2 level is increasing to record highs? (record highs which are also very very low compared to historical levels, in the past 7000ppm has been reconstructed during an ice age!, and is right now about the level in the ISS). Back 750 million years ago the Co2 level was 300,000ppm & there were glaciers at the bloody equator. AGW proponents, please give me one prediction that has been made that has come true is Al Gores science fiction movie An Inconvenient Truth? Can someone tell me why typhoons, tornadoes & other violent weather events globally are at record lows but every storm is now linked to global warming? Can someone point out where the evidence actually is that Co2 is actually bad for the globe? Its a bloody element, on the periodic table of elements, and we are carbon based life forms? Can someone tell me how exactly Co2 and temperature correlates? Historically, temperature goes up first, and then Co2 follows around 2000 years later. Why do so many greens not know this basic fact? I'll tell you, because Al Gore did not explain that in his movie, he showed to nice graphs, correlation was there but he failed to tell all watching which way around it actually was. Did he forget to tell people, or did he leave it out on purpose? God bless the climate sceptics, they are the ones sticking to the science and actually practising good science. Its the likes of Mann et al who are destroying the integrity of science the world over and those people I submit to you, are the ones who should be locked away, but only if they are found guilty of wrong doing and fraud. Science has not spoken, check out climate bet where 30,000 scientists registered dispute regarding the evidence. It has been estimated that AGW researchers get 3,500% more funding annually than the "sceptics", nothing to do with big oil or the bloody Koch brothers. This is just one more red herring that the religious green movement shout from the rooftops with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. But being a sceptic, we are used to bogus claims of the great green menace. Science has spoken hey Kuni, tell me something. What do you think of someone like Michael Mann, who refuses to provide his data set and his methods for creating his hockey stick? Do you support a scientist whose graph has been used over and over again by the UN without providing his methods and sources? Science has spoken yes? well science is based on the sharing of methods and data for others to replicate your results, its called peer review, but not for Mann and many of his cronies who don't need peer review, the eco nutters don't need evidence, they have faith that if there was wrong doing it would be revealed to them. Just like climate gate, and the claims that Mann has been investigated by 5 different panels looking for wrong doing. Nonsense. Mann was not investigated by 4 of those panels, just one, which was ran by his then Dean at Penn State. A man that has been prosecuted for fraud! Mann was also getting massive attention & funding, which is great for any university. Mann was as likely to get a harsh critique by his then Dean than a pig is to fly. The one thing you need understand is that on the sceptics side, we have the planet Earth. She will provide all the evidence we need to convince the world that these idiotic green activists are 100% wrong. We are entering a cooling trend which has been predicted by scientists looking at history and real world data. As Co2 goes up, the plants will say thank & global temps will drop. Just wait until 20 years in the future, when the IPCC of the UN is mothballed and dozens of climate scientists are on jail for scientific fraud.
Michael HarrisJuly 10, 2014 12:00 pm
The world sceptic makes me laugh. Scepticism SHOULD be the default position of any scientist the world over! The fact in this debate thousands of scientists and millions of normal members of the public see through the lies & distortion of the green religion that is global warming (man made) can be called sceptics is a joke. Tim Flannery should be absolutely ashamed of himself, positing videos etc.. He is an utter charlatan who made prediction after prediction that failed to come true during his time in office. The guy should not be allowed within 2k miles of any policy making building let alone publishing disinformation on the web. He would have regulated Australia into the ground, destroying it from within all because of a belief. He is a activist first and a scientist last. I thank the lord that Australia voted out Gillard and dumped Tom Flannery on his backside. I am utterly fed up with the constant lies, propaganda failed predictions and scare tactics of this group of people whom are either profiting greatly from the fear they are weaving or are religious nutters that need locking up.
JMAJuly 10, 2014 4:03 am
Hurray for Abbott and Newman. Glad someone has the brains to evaluate the abundant evidence against man-made global warming and the courage to do something about it. When will the climate alarmists stop ignoring the fact that the absence of warming over the last 15+ years, and the Greenland and Antarctic ice core data show that the CO2-driven climate models are wrong? World governments should redirect the money wasted on the climate change delusion toward solving real problems--curing disease, ending famines, cleaning the oceans, preparing for the effects of natural climate change.
StanleyJuly 10, 2014 3:50 am
There are no long term climate risks. Greenland was green in the time of the Vikings it will be green again. Viking ships tied to docks 90 miles in land of the current ocean shore have been found. People near the ocean shores need to start backing away from the shore.
prolibertateJuly 10, 2014 12:51 am
Anyone using the term "denial" in a scientific context, when debating scientists who don't agree with a particular hypothesis, is a cult fanatic, not a scientist!
BLJuly 10, 2014 12:44 am
Thank you, Russell Brand. The willful ignorance and misrepresentation of scientific facts by the far right is malicious and should be criminal. They are endangering all of humanity. Europe outlaws Holocaust denial; it is a crime to say the Holocaust did not take place. We need to make Global Warming denial by people in positions of power a crime against humanity.
bigjaceJuly 10, 2014 12:13 am
The oceans haven't risen in 20+yrs of warnings,storm activity hasn't changed at all, the polar ice cap hasn't melted as predicted(it has increased recently), Antarctic ice is at unprecedented levels and polar bears are thriving with growing numbers not to mention global temperatures have not increased in 17 yrs yet CO2 emissions have grown exponentially in that time. Saying max temps in Australia were recorded over 10% of the country ignores the 90% of the country where temps did not rise as predicted.Growing up in Adelaide in the 70's I clearly remember some very hot 40+ days which is quite a normal occurrence there too.
mike flanaganJuly 10, 2014 12:07 am
Yes, and the majority of Australians are ashamed of the direction these clowns lead the nation. Abbott has been ably supported by the Murdoch press monster in highjacking the agenda and destroying an innovative and flexible ETS program, that had been met worldwide with credit and admiration. All citizens of the world should gather together to boycott any material produced and sold by the Murdochs and their propagandists News Corporation publications, as many Australians now are doing.
Tom ServoJuly 9, 2014 11:53 pm
Guess what - I'm betting my money on Shell.
Al HopferJuly 9, 2014 10:15 pm
You will always save more managed investment when weather prediction become fact not assumption from short range data. We are not at that point.
Al HopferJuly 9, 2014 10:14 pm
Basing long long range capital management on short short range data.
Al HopferJuly 9, 2014 10:12 pm
This think tank has taken the position that global warming is predictable per the past few decades of warming and then no warming. They are not thinking they are just following very close to the money.
scottmcJuly 9, 2014 8:15 pm
Some sanity in the debate we are witnessing an unprecedented rise in climate denial Finally something that is unprecedented
BuggerthatJuly 9, 2014 2:19 pm
Shell is one of the single biggest CO2 emitters on the planet.
Other_AndyJuly 9, 2014 11:34 am
Climate denial? I have never met somebody who denied climate. Neither have I ever met anybody who denied that the climate changes. The reason why people are turned off is because of the ad homs, straw man and the fact that those who believe in catastrophic anthropogenic global warming caused by CO2 now suddenly believe that is the same as believing the climate changes.. And those who say 'carbon pollution' when talking about carbon dioxide, a trace gas essential for life on the planet Earth, should go back and repeat third grade science.
Frederick ColbourneJuly 9, 2014 10:40 am
“We’re witnessing an unprecedented rise in climate denial in media and politics – personally I’ve never seen anything like it,” So Australia now has reason to hope their economy will not be wrecked by these modern Green Luddites.
PygmalionJuly 9, 2014 9:12 am
In other news today, the IPCC says there is still time to act to keep warming to less than 2°. Not only is this the exact opposite of what they say here, but it contradicts their earlier and multiple "tipping point" warnings. Yet amidst their myriad and multiple contradictions, they still find time to accuse the oil company of "Orwellian Doublethink". “Orwellian doublethink”
Ava CristiJuly 9, 2014 7:49 am
Arctic shipping lanes is concern because increased shipping could adversely affect indigenous hunting of marine mammals. Also concerning is the lack of infrastructure on the coast to deal with a spill or a wrecked vessel.
kartashokJuly 9, 2014 2:03 am
Carbon dioxide is healthy and there are many worse things to worry about, like arsenic, mercury, etc. You want less carbon dioxide? PLANT TREES!! No cuts in development. This whole climate change is real BUT the idea of the elites that CARBON DIOXIDE IS THE DEVIL'S BREATH IS TOTALLY FALSE! The West has destroyed the environment to develop themselves and now they want to maintain their developed status by telling the third world to remain poor. Solar energy is a giant waste of money, because you need rare earth materials for it to work, so EVEN SOLAR ENERGY is NOT sustainable.
Michael PulsfordJuly 9, 2014 1:04 am
Nah mate, it's 2014, not 1914! They can get their power from renewables.
JC CorcoranJuly 8, 2014 11:23 pm
The best chance to mitigate climate change is to severely reduce consumption of animal foods. About 1/2 of human induced warming is attributable to animal agriculture. Methane is 24 times more potent than CO2 but takes only 7 years to cycle out of the atmosphere. CO2 takes around 100 years to come out. Human pursuit of animal protein is the leading cause of methane release and a primary cause of CO2 concentrating in the atmosphere. Check the facts and act! "A 1% reduction in world-wide meat intake has the same benefit as a three trillion-dollar investment in solar energy." ~ Chris Mentzel, CEO of Clean Energy "As environmental science has advanced, it has become apparent that the human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future: deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities, and the spread of disease." Worldwatch Institute, "Is Meat Sustainable?" “If every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetables and grains... the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than half a million cars off of U.S. roads.” Environmental Defense Fund How to Transition to a Vegan Diet http://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/step-by-step-guide-how-to-transition-to-vegan-diet/
Storm PetrolJuly 8, 2014 9:43 pm
I would agree if it was possible for consumers to have an unbiased understanding of the issues and the true costs of using fossil fuels was represented in their price. As it is, we are accustomed to the pre-existing fossil fuel infrastructure. This entire system only appears affordable because the value of using the atmosphere as a carbon sewer is not represented in the price of fossil fuel energy sources. In addition, there is a very great deal of propaganda distributed about why we should continue to develop and use fossil fuels. This is based on the claims that climate change is unreal, not caused by fossil fuel use or, if it is, not significant. These and other reasons are provided as rationale explaining why there is no need to move toward renewable energy sources. Here in the US, those state governments most closely controlled by fossil uel industry minions are rapidly passing laws that tax the individual use of solar power (in spite of the supposed aversion the Right has to increasing taxes!). State legislators are also busily working to curtail the ability to particpate in net-metering. This to protect the corporate profits of the fossil fuel industry. These and other factors point to a need to prime the green-energy economic pump.
Kuni LemlJuly 8, 2014 4:46 am
Science has spoken. When it comes to global warming there is no debate, there is not discussion, and there is no opinion. There are those who want to commit mass murder on a global scale with global warming, and those who do not to commit mass murder on a global scale. Why is this Lawson cretin still walking around free? I thought that the U.K. was a first world country governed by the rule of law, not some corrupt soon to be second world crap-hole like America is becoming. The difference between Conservatives and al-Qaeda members: al-Qaeda members are a better class of hominid because at least al-Qaeda members do not lie about wanting to murder us. Lawson and his ilk need to be jailed for conspiring to commit mass murder.
Kuni LemlJuly 8, 2014 4:33 am
Science has spoken. When it comes to global warming there is no debate, there is not discussion, and there is no opinion. There are those who want to commit mass murder on a global scale with global warming, and those who do not to commit mass murder on a global scale. India’s high levels of poverty and low development levels, has no relevance to the discussion. If India wants to address the issue if its high levels of poverty and low development levels, India needs to implement the only policy that creates and maintains a middle class and shared prosperity: Strong unions, a very progressive tax system, and proper regulations vigorously enforced. I would suggest that India emulate The New Deal instead of whining. Furthermore, India needs to accept personal responsibility, not foreign aid, when it comes to dealing the impacts of global warming. India should not get a single red cent in aid until it significantly reduces its coal emissions, which are not only affecting the climate, but also allowing Conservatives to use India’s inaction as an excuse to do nothing here. If India needs money so badly to address the problem, it can get it from the Jindal Steel and Power Limited and the other Indian companies that made $32 billion in windfall profits after corrupt Indian politicians let said companies pillage and loot the Indian countryside.
Kuni LemlJuly 8, 2014 4:25 am
India needs to accept personal responsibility, not foreign aid, when it comes to dealing the impacts of global warming. India should not get a single red cent until it significantly reduces its coal emissions, which are not only affecting the climate, but also allowing Conservatives to use India’s inaction as an excuse to do nothing here. If India needs money so badly to address the problem, it can get it from the Jindal Steel and Power Limited and the other Indian companies that made $32 billion in windfall profits after corrupt Indian politicians let said companies pillage and loot the Indian countryside.
GaryDoggettJuly 8, 2014 1:46 am
And what, pray tell, is the Church's response to over two thirds of India's population burning dung for cooking? http://bit.ly/1skLbF6 When the developed world for the first time in human history shares its wealth willingly, I will be the first to go back to church.
andres pirazzoliJuly 7, 2014 9:34 pm
@kartashok:disqus that is the exact interpretation of CBDR some Indian diplomats have flagged for 20 years... Hopefully Minister Ramesh´s view will find traction in the Indian govt. We all need to do our share. From USA to India, to Chile. Not cutting carbon will force our citizen into even harsher conditions.
marshallJuly 7, 2014 9:08 pm
CELIBACY is a DESTRUCTION of NATURE, in that, GOD tells humanity to "Be Fruitful and Multiply"; GOD did not exempt men-of-the-cloth from "Be Fruitful & Multiply.'
NhanJuly 7, 2014 8:47 pm
Researchers,have many new research to make renewable energy become a reality, efficiency pic.twitter.com/13t4WFLX7D Here Model for islands, rural areas
windy2July 7, 2014 3:01 pm
The first solar power generator was introduced to the public in 1878. Yet for some reason, after 136 years, solar is not all the rage and not widely accepted in the free market. Why does the solar industry need David Cameron to thwart free market competition and force taxpayers to subsidize what most people have been unwilling to buy with their own money? Solar has had 136 years to wow and excite the public into putting their own hard earned $$ on the table to buy solar but it isn't happening. Why? Does anyone believe that government officials are smarter than consumers when it comes to spending money in a responsible manner?
Open Energy MarketJuly 7, 2014 2:28 pm
Definitely agree with the quote that efficiency doesn't just happen. Th is for the legislation to be well-communicated and at the same time absolutely obligatory. Setting ambitious, feel-good targets that we don't expect to achieve is missing the point. Academia could help with making this possible by researching the link between energy efficiency and profitability, rather than shying away from business (there is some research focusing on business case for energy efficiency, for example http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921344999000427 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12053-007-9000-8 )
charlesxJuly 7, 2014 12:48 pm
Is this the same Chris Huhne who on Channel 4 acknowledged that he "lied and lied again"?
ectogamitJuly 7, 2014 8:39 am
you are either incredibly naive, stupid, or evil if you promote the climate change of agenda
PoppaJuly 7, 2014 12:20 am
more waste of tax dollars, sad, very sad.
NicholBJuly 6, 2014 5:13 pm
Those that still think that growth needs to come from fossil fuels may be disappointed, not too far in the future. It looks more and more profitable skip the old and immediately embrace growth based on efficient use of solar and wind energy. That is the energy of the future. India has the chance to overtake rich countries that will need to make a transition.
NicholBJuly 6, 2014 5:07 pm
Regions with lots of sun and wind should exploit this resource of the future. Not try to base their growth on the fossil energies of the past. It is to their own advantage. It will make them look good. It is easier for them, as they have not yet been shackled to a system totally based on fossil energy. In some sense it is more difficult for the rich countries that need to transition: cut away the old fossils-based system. India has the advantage of an old system that needs upgrade anyway. They can jump ahead.
J MartinJuly 6, 2014 8:37 am
By not publishing my comments you show that you know that global warming is based on adjusted, ie. fake data, that it isn't real, isn't happening, that the models are wrong, that you global warming alarmists are self deluded fools. Livingston, Penn, Svalgaard have magnetic data on sunnspots that had been heading for a cut off point but is no longer. Even so, it means that the next solar cycle will be no higher than the current half height solar cycle, so the pause (in fact slight decline) will continue for another 1.5 solar cycles at least. By which time we will have had 40 years of the pause (or it may have become a decline). 40 years of decline would mean you could keep your alarmist title of climate change and you could fret about global cooling instead. No wonder outfits such as GISS and NOAA are desperately adjusting historical temperature data downwards in order to lengthen the apparent (but fake) warming trend that led to the current pause, as the current pause / cooling trend is on course to last for 40 years.
President SamboJuly 6, 2014 3:54 am
Well, this is simple. No energy for this church. Let them sweat and freeze to death and no cooking of food!
J MartinJuly 6, 2014 12:15 am
Global warming hasn't taken place for 17 years and 10 months. Yet co2 increased steadily. The GCMs are based on the assumption that an increase in co2 will cause an increase in moisture content which hasn't happened. Meanwhile solar activity is at a much reduced level and likely to stay that way through the next solar cycle. Good luck trying to pedal that global warming nonsense. You guys have an entire website here devoted to confirmation bias.
J MartinJuly 6, 2014 12:05 am
Where did you get that misleading nonsense from. The US has cooled steadily for the last decade and more. https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/uscrn_average_conus_jan2004-april20141.png
kartashokJuly 5, 2014 10:39 pm
We are a developing country. You Americans and Europeans have no right to tell us to cut carbon emissions when you destroyed our planet in the first place. Carbon dioxide is healthy. Much healthier than all the depleted uranium and chemical weapons you Westerners keep using everywhere. Please leave India alone!
DiamondJoeJuly 5, 2014 6:19 pm
Why do deniers/fossil fuel lobbyists believe chemical changes in the Earth's atmosphere can be stopped by character assassination...?
DiamondJoeJuly 5, 2014 6:17 pm
Why is it that global warming deniers like being fooled so much. I don't know...
J MartinJuly 5, 2014 5:52 pm
We are about due for the next northern hemisphere glaciation when much of the northern hemisphere will become uninhabitable buried under ice. We need all the heat we can get, but unfortunately co2 cannot save us as history shows when at the end of the Ordovician period and through the Silurian period a glaciation took place despite co2 levels ten times higher than today's. co2 has a declining logarithmic effect, we are now on the essentially flat bit so adding more co2 to the atmosphere has no measurable warming effect, witness the fact that temperatures have shown zero increase for 17 years 10 months now (RSS sattelite data). Warming shows no signs whatsoever of returning, which is hardly surprising given that the Pacific has entered its 30 year cold phase 6 years ago and that the Atlantic will enter its 30 year cold phase in a few years and that the sun is at a reduced activity level and is expected to stay that way throughout the next solar cycle as well. Global warming has been canceled. I hope you don't mind.
GarethJuly 5, 2014 11:37 am
It is a wonder to behold the way the victims of global warming groupthink cling to their delusions. http://www.ac4pr.org/global-warming/global-warming-predictions-wrong/
Abdussalam Bin KhaledJuly 5, 2014 11:15 am
Our nation project that is truly serious is the one under his highness QSTEC this one is serious and well structured.
Abdussalam Bin KhaledJuly 5, 2014 11:13 am
I agree these multiple announcements sounds so unprofessional and gives a bad image on of our country
Chris BlackmoreJuly 5, 2014 9:39 am
Cameron knows Lawson's "think tank" channels a lot of money into Tory Party funds. That's all he cares about.
CartoonmickJuly 5, 2014 9:21 am
Many Australians are very worried over the various Abbott policies which effect Science, Climate Change, Environment and Education, to name a few. A majority of his policies are not good for our environment and tend to favour big business over the people's concerns. They show a tendance to ignore a majority of scientific advice. His Direct Action Plan allows major polluters to continue polluting, or, if they wish, they can volunteer to reduce their pollution and be paid for it by the Government. Note the word, "volunteer". There's several cartoons on the topic, this is one of them . . . . http://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-775 Cheers Mick
LettaMegoJuly 5, 2014 2:35 am
The "made in China" company, General Electric, and the telecommunication industry think they can force these invasive, intrusive wireless transmitter on our homes... then tell us what and when to buy zigbee chipped appliances... I hope people aren't ignorant enough to allow it.... The zombies walking around with their cell phones... and other radio-frequency microwave radiation emitting devices... probably will fall right in this trap though..
Gitmo (DL) RupperJuly 5, 2014 1:55 am
The scientific consensus "back in the day" of Columbus day was the World was flat. How did that work out
Harry ClarkJuly 4, 2014 6:36 pm
"Lawson is an influential climate change sceptic" what has this got to do with global warming ? ,in a democracy all forms of opinions and discussion should be on a equal footing ? it says a lot for Lawsons power of reasoning to convert Cameron to anything :¬)
Harry ClarkJuly 4, 2014 5:04 pm
Perhaps the so called climate science global warming group should now be called historical fact deniers since they are obviously unable to understand the natural climate cycle of past ice ages that even the BBC judging by some of their program makers obviously do
markoparJuly 4, 2014 1:37 pm
Monday, June 23, 2014 by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger Tags: global warming, fabricated data, scientific fraud (NaturalNews) When drug companies are caught faking clinical trial data, no one is surprised anymore. When vaccine manufacturers spike their human trial samples with animal antibodies to make sure their vaccines appear to work, we all just figure that's how they do business: lying, cheating, deceiving and violating the law. Now, in what might be the largest scientific fraud ever uncovered, NASA and the NOAA have been caught red-handed altering historical temperature data to produce a "climate change narrative" that defies reality. This finding, originally documented on the Real Science website, is detailed here. We now know that historical temperature data for the continental United States were deliberately altered by NASA and NOAA scientists in a politically-motivated attempt to rewrite history and claim global warming is causing U.S. temperatures to trend upward. The data actually show that we are in a cooling trend, not a warming trend (see charts below). This story is starting to break worldwide right now across the media, with The Telegraph now reporting (1), "NOAA's US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been 'adjusting' its record by replacing real temperatures with data 'fabricated' by computer models." Because the actual historical temperature record doesn't fit the frenzied, doomsday narrative of global warming being fronted today on the political stage, the data were simply altered using "computer models" and then published as fact. Here's the proof of the climate change fraud Here's the chart of U.S. temperatures published by NASA in 1999. It shows the highest temperatures actually occurred in the 1930's, followed by a cooling trend ramping downward to the year 2000: The authenticity of this chart is not in question. It is published by James Hansen on NASA's website. (2) On that page, Hansen even wrote, "Empirical evidence does not lend much support to the notion that climate is headed precipitately toward more extreme heat and drought." After the Obama administration took office, however, and started pushing the global warming narrative for political purposes, NASA was directed to alter its historical data in order to reverse the cooling trend and show a warming trend instead. This was accomplished using climate-modeling computers that simply fabricated the data the researchers wished to see instead of what was actually happening in the real world. Using the exact same data found in the chart shown above (with a few years of additional data after 2000), NASA managed to misleadingly distort the chart to depict the appearance of global warming: The authenticity of this chart is also not in question. It can be found right now on NASA's servers. (4) This new, altered chart shows that historical data -- especially the severe heat and droughts experienced in the 1930's -- are now systematically suppressed to make them appear cooler than they really were. At the same time, temperature data from the 1970's to 2010 are strongly exaggerated to make them appear warmer than they really were. This is a clear case of scientific fraud being carried out on a grand scale in order to deceive the entire world about global warming. EPA data also confirm the global warming hoax What's even more interesting is that even the EPA's "Heat Wave Index" data further support the notion that the U.S. was far hotter in the 1930's than it is today. The following chart, published on the EPA.gov website (4), clearly shows modern-day heat waves are far smaller and less severe than those of the 1930's. In fact, the seemingly "extreme" heat waves of the last few years were no worse than those of the early 1900's or 1950's. Short-sighted agricultural practices cause more global warming than CO2 Seeing these charts, you might wonder how the extremely high temperatures of the 1930's came about. Were we releasing too much CO2 by burning fossil fuels? Nope. That entire episode of massive warming and drought was caused by conventional agricultural practices that clear-cut forests, poisoned the soils with chemicals and plowed the top soil away. Lacking trees to retain moisture, areas that were once thriving plains, grasslands and forests turned to desert. Suddenly, the cooling effects of moisture transpiration from healthy plant ecosystems was lost, causing extreme temperatures and deadly drought. Shortsighted agricultural practices, in other words, really did cause "warming," while a restoration of a more natural ecosystem reversed the trend and cooled the region. Reforestation is the answer This brings us to the simple, obvious solution to all this. If you want to cool the planet, focus on reforestation efforts. If you want to retain moisture and keep your soils alive, you need diverse plant-based ecosystems, not clear-cut fields running monoculture operations. Forests act like sponges that soak up rainwater, and then they turn around and slowly release that water back into the air, "moisturizing" the atmosphere and keeping humidity levels high enough to support other nearby grasses, shrubs and plants. When you clear-cut forests -- as has been done all across the world to make room for mechanized agriculture -- you effectively raise temperatures by eliminating nature's plant-based water retention and cooling systems. Industrialized farming, in other words, has already been historically shown to radically increase continental temperatures and "warm" the region. So why isn't the White House warning the world about the dangers of industrialized agriculture? The answer: Because it doesn't accomplish anything that's politically important to this administration. It's far more important to use the false panic of global warming to shut down clean coal power plants (U.S. coal plants are FAR cleaner than China's) and drive the population into a state of subservient obedience through doomsday scare tactics. Now we conclusively know the government is lying about global warming As an environmentalist, I'm always concerned about pollutants and emissions, especially heavy metals being dumped into the atmosphere. But I've also learned over the years that almost everything the federal government aggressively promotes to the public is a blatant lie. Rarely does anything resembling the truth ever come out of Washington D.C. These people are experts at lying with bad science, hiding their deceptions behind the cover of "scientific thinking" and making outlandish claims such as saying that anyone who doesn't believe their fabricated data must also believe the Earth is flat. Remember, the people who are telling you that burning fossils fuels is causing runaway global warming are the very same people who also claim mercury in vaccines is safe to inject in unlimited quantities, toxins in GMOs are safe to eat, chemotherapy works great for cancer patients and that there's no such thing as any food or nutrient that prevents disease. These are the same government people who build massive networks of underground bunkers and caves in complete secrecy while publicly claiming preppers are conspiracy theorists. It's the same government that lied about running inhumane medical experiments on prisoners via the National Institutes of Health, then got caught and had to apologize decades later. If you think this same government is telling you the truth about global warming, you probably need to have your head examined. But not by a government-licensed psychiatrist, or she'll dose your head full of psychiatric medications that cause you to lose so much of your cognitive function, you'll actually start to believe CNN's broadcasts. Sources for this article include: (1) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment... (2) http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/han... (3) http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/... (4) http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/ind... (5) http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/2... Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/045695_global_warming_fabricated_data_scientific_fraud.html##ixzz35YL3oV45
markoparJuly 4, 2014 1:35 pm
Earth Day, 1970: “We have about five more years at the outside to do something.” • Kenneth Watt, ecologist “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….” • Life Magazine “Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” • George Wald, Harvard Biologist “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation.” • Barry Commoner, Washington University biologist “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.” • New York Times editorial, the day after the first Earth Day “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.” • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.” • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation.” • Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.” • Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University
mike flanaganJuly 4, 2014 1:58 am
Thanks to Megan for the above coverage of yet another credible warning and costing of the pathways we must adopt to avert the calamitous impact our destabilisation of the planet’s atmosphere our current activities present us. These figures are moving projections of the necessary investments to meet the agreed target to maintain our current inevitable temperature rise of 2C. The IEA presented a paper to a Korean Forum on Climate Change in May 2014 in which they projected a world budgetary requirement of $44T to the year 2050 to meet these minimalist ambitions. This figure was an increase of $8T over their earlier estimates from 2012 to accomplish the same ambitions. As we watch many governments and business leaders obfuscate and ignore the challenges our carbon dependant economies present, we are being advised by recognised institutes and credible economists and scientists of the exponential increase in costs being accumulated to avert the impacts by their tardy and off handed efforts to attend to this challenge.
ariana13542July 3, 2014 9:00 pm
i have to do global warming for the school project. seriously who said that methane and CO2 don't heat up the world.they do and so does nitrogen. btw i am not annoyed or shouting just matter of fact if u wanted 2 know. why was i have to be born in 21st century
whjke33July 3, 2014 8:49 pm
1) Scientists with years of training, working full-time, completely knowledgeable on the subject 2) Some guy on the internet Hmmmm.... Not sure who to trust. (Either way, you better believe I'll be back if you're wrong ;) )
Francis GrunchardJuly 3, 2014 12:06 pm
Considering the role of SLCP (short-life climate pollutants, i.e. CH4, black carbon, tropospheric ozone and HFCs) in climate mitigation strategies, a recent academic study concluded that “Parallel strategies must focus on long- and short-lived pollutants, but not at the cost of reducing pressure for action on CO2.” http://ramanathan.ucsd.edu/files/pr200.pdf
GrunchardJuly 3, 2014 11:52 am
"Considering the role of SLCP (short-life climate pollutants, i.e. CH4, black carbon, tropospheric ozone and HFCs) in climate mitigation strategies, a recent academic study concluded that “Parallel strategies must focus on long- and short-lived pollutants, but not at the cost of reducing pressure for action on CO2.” http://www.fluorocarbons.org/mediaroom/563/74/CLIMATE-MITIGATION-POLICIES-MUST-FOCUS-IN-PARALLEL-ON-HFCS-AND-ON-CO2-SAYS-AN-ACADEMIC-STUDY
mike flanaganJuly 3, 2014 1:47 am
Thanks to Ed King for this worthy article and expose. The problem may need not only an admission by the financial advisers to address their ethical and legal responsibilities, but we must address the flaws becoming evident in our accounting structures and models. It is time to incorporate the costs in accounting standards and for them to appear in P &L's and Balance sheets . Likewise it should be mandatory that IPO's and M & A proposals should contain, in accounting terms, their methods and costs to address their necessary redevelopment into a decarbonised manufacturing and processing structures. The lack of leadership shown by our financial and corporate sector leaders is shameful but I suppose we must welcome small mercies when at long last our legal fraternity show some focus and leadership, however tardy and miniscule.
DSTEININJuly 2, 2014 6:50 pm
Study doesn't take into account the large number of nuclear reactors being built in China and planned to be built. Nuclear power plants are also CO(2) emission free. BNEF's evaluation is therefore very deficient and suspect.
Rambabu yadavJuly 2, 2014 4:08 pm
It's need climate protection for save the earth planet.
wylie123July 2, 2014 1:22 pm
Man's impact on the global climate is so small that it cannot be calculated.
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EKMcMJuly 2, 2014 8:37 am
All you need to do is go back and check the history of the Earth. Let's not forget that we are really overpopulated and running out of resources for the number of people that we insist on putting on the face of the Earth.
GoldenBoysJuly 1, 2014 10:42 pm
All of these areas have experienced periods of intense drought in the past....Look it up. Tree ring data going back 600 years indicates western United States had numerous periods of severe drought...going back to the 1400s and continuing to the Dust Bowl of the 1930s and beyond. A recent study by NOAA reluctantly admits that the rise in sea levels has tapered off over the last several years but they're certain it will start increasing again...Really? And of course, NASA's own embarrassing findings that Antarctic Sea Ice reached the highest point ever recorded in 2013...a record only beaten by the Second highest amount of Sea Ice in 2012. People like me are called "deniers" when the unpleasant scientific facts put out by the very organizations Warmers are counting on for all their Cap & Trade Schemes contradict them over and over again. And I'm being kind about these organization which are under intense political pressure to put out a narrative and mix it with some "science" and keep those grants flowing.
John AndrewsJuly 1, 2014 10:14 pm
Too funny. Please tell me how HRH's Navy intends to stop the weather from changing? The "Climate" is always changing and there is nothing man did to make it happen, and there is nothing man can do to stop it. It is mental masturbation. A Scam to scare people into allowing governments to control them and steal more of their hard earned money. It is Complete Horse Sh*t!
Spetzer86July 1, 2014 7:52 pm
So Mexico has a high poverty rate meaning that increased energy costs will cause this situation to get worse. Green energy increases costs due to inherent variability and the need for a secondary backup system for when sun/wind aren't available, so more energy poverty. While increasing efficiency makes sense, to achieve this will require many to purchase new units, at least temporarily increasing costs. And we wonder why we're seeing more people showing up on our southern border.
Robin_GuenierJuly 1, 2014 6:05 pm
Well, India may be "more willing to engage" and "to rise to the challenge" but, if this Times of India report on the Nairobi Conference is accurate,** that engagement doesn't seem likely to be welcomed by Sir David King or Samit Aich. Referring to the USA's attempt to exclude the "Rio principles" *** from the Paris agreement, it reports India's environment minister, Prakash Javadekar, as saying: "We resisted that...we lobbied...all Arab countries, BRICS, G-77 plus China...all came together to oppose America's position and ultimately Rio principles were part of the final outcome document." So it seems that the US and EU wish that the "binary division should be cast out of the new agreement" is most unlikely to be realised. In other words, as Greenpeace fears, India may well be planning to "ramp up fossil fuel use - especially coal". This doesn't bode well for a satisfactory Paris outcome. ** http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/environment/global-warming/India-to-strengthen-climate-change-negotiation-team/articleshow/37533640.cms *** Essentially that developing economies - India, China etc. - should not be bound by CO2 reduction obligations - often referred to as "common but differentiated responsibilities" (CBDR).
kirupavathiJuly 1, 2014 4:39 pm
how the planetary carbon budget would predict the future effects of CO2 ?
moresnare1970July 1, 2014 4:01 pm
Propaganda incoming...
VestiasJune 30, 2014 10:04 pm
Low-carbon economy and raise barriers and cultivate the political sustainability of the world will help to wake a diference for millions of people inthe world
peacemaker20June 30, 2014 6:40 pm
let's see how this group and involved participants work together to stop the Tar Sands project in Canada. This is a disaster in action!!! calling upon UNDRIP, UNDP, UNEP, and all International organizations pretending to care about the environment. This is the # 1 enemy. Stop all aspects of it if you can- and if you do not try. please explain your value to the climate change battle.
Jon ElamJune 30, 2014 6:22 pm
The UN Foundation has been a critical leaders around the issue of indoor air pollution with their support of the Clean Cook Stoves Program. Air Quality management is an issue that works from the bottom up as well as the top down.
jabbadonutJune 30, 2014 2:34 pm
I would like to know where the actually offending CO2 emissions are coming from. What plants / facilities, etc. are actually generating it? Identify them, and clean them up (however that may be done). That would seem to be a solution to the problem, wouldn't it?
Roald B. LarsenJune 29, 2014 10:52 am
Actually, the polar vortex is not a new phenomenon, just that it did move so far south and stayed there for so long, due to the causes explained above. Otherwise you are right :-)
Leslie GrahamJune 29, 2014 1:37 am
We have reliable corroborating temperature records dating back hundreds of thousands of years. There are many more ways of measuring temperatures than just using thermometers and they all show that the current rise in temperature since the onset of the industrial revolution has never happened this fast before. It's not rocket science. We have known for 120 years that a rise in heat-trapping gas in the atmosphere would trap more heat. It was already mainstream science by the 1950's. There is NO 'debate' about the fact that the extra 41% of CO2 we have added to the atmosphere has caused the current rapid warming. In every country in the world apart from the US it is basic schoolboy science. Now that man-made climate change is simply an obvious everyday reality all over the world and the US - as proved by the data above - the the desperate ravings of the last of the deniers have become hysterical - you always sounded pathetic but now you just sound insane. What an embarrassment that the US should be the last bastion of this level of wilfull ignorance and stupidity.
rwayfordJune 28, 2014 11:56 pm
So, what was the WMO's prophesy re: last year's hurricane season? Or the year before? Fool me once...
FroddoislostJune 27, 2014 8:18 pm
I bet you don't even know any laws of physics. By your interpretation of the precautionary principle we ought to all go back to living in mud huts. The theory of AGW indicates that we expect to see the increase in global surface temps present as increased prevailing night time lows rather than higher day time highs. Nothing in the science supports your interpretation. It's actually even more complicated than that, as it was supposed to present primarily in the tropics, according to AGW and the GCM's that purport to model it. That hasn't happened. Also; it isn't the increase in temp that gets you. remember; 1.6C. There is nothing in the science supporting the notion of increasing heat wave, hurricanes, tornadic activity, etc. The problems were supposed to arise due to melting polar caps and higher sea levels, and disruptions to the hydrologic cycle; droughts and monsoons. What is being claimed here is simply not in the science. You claim you don't know everything. You are right. Neither do I. By the way; neither do they. A working model of the Earths lower troposhere doesn't yet exist. Their models are horribly flawed as is our understanding of our climate system.
FroddoislostJune 27, 2014 8:11 pm
So . . . since AGW theory strongly supports the notion that the warming will result primarily from warmer night time lows rather than higher day time highs, do you cede this point, as it is unsupported in the science? Or do you choose to say 'it's science', express your smugness and continue on with your unfounded belief? The warming of the later half of the 20th century is correlated VERY strongly with increases in crop production. The science says that both warmer temps (albeit to a point) and increased CO2 will produce larger yields, this is strongly supported by the data and yet we have alarmists making things up to the contrary. Cede the point or admit you are but the great and powerful Oz, hiding behind a curtain and trying to maintain the illusion.
GuyBBJune 27, 2014 4:58 pm
Meters? Odd, even a rise in sea level caused by every glacier and both polar Ice Caps melting of 30 meters wouldn't be a disaster. Especially, if it is spread out over the next 3,000 years. Come on! IPCC can only predict a rise of just over an inch per decade! It is all about perspective. Presenting the worst case scenario, of an indefinite point in time far in the future, that also presumes that trends will continue as they have predicted? Sensationalism, attempted fraud, scam, or whatever term suits you better.
JeremyJune 27, 2014 3:31 pm
Many people have had some concern regarding the safety of the data that smart meters send too. Installing these needs to be a choice rather than a mandatory fixture. Jeremy www.smartpowershop.co.co.uk
Jos CozijnsenJune 27, 2014 12:59 pm
Gerald, thanks for the attention to CCS. You may have missed this: there is a smart international ENGO group, (http://www.engonetwork.org/ ) that has a more realistic view of the role of CCS and CO2 reuse for reducing global emissions. Combined with co-firing biomass CCS leads even to negative emissions, lowering cost up < 50%
Rob SparrowJune 27, 2014 12:30 pm
In Astronomy and Astrophysics [ volt 51, pp 127-135 1976 ], A. J. Berger in a paper entitled " Obliquity and Procession of the Ecliptic for the last 5 million years" showed how there was a 400,000 year cycle on top of the familiar 100,000 year cycle between ice ages. Over the last 20,000 years ocean currents have suffered repeated interferences when ice dams broke and hundreds of cubic miles of fresh water were dumped rapidly into both the Pacific and Artic oceans. Surely the fundamental question is based on the ice core data from the Vostok and EPICA Dome C cores. Over the last 800,000 years a regular pattern of a cooling cycle changing to a warming cycle, 20,000 years of warming then a sharp transition to a long slow cooling period back into an ice age. 1. We are almost 20,000 years since the last age so are ripe for a sharp transition. 2. How does the sea level drop by 300-400 feet and transfer the water to polar regions as ice except by clouds acting as the means of transport. 3. Whilst some high level wispy clouds can reinforce warming NASA report that the net effect of all clouds is a cooling one i.e. the albedo effect increases. 4. As the oceans warm surely the water vapor in the atmosphere increases causing more warming until it reaches a point where cloud cover increases the amount of insolation reflected back into space and we start a long slow cool. At this point the concentration of carbon dioxide almost becomes moot but may put off the next ice age by a few centuries.
Bartolome C. SagadalJune 27, 2014 7:48 am
Lets pursue Solar, Wind Mills, Hydro and other non-pollutant green energy technologies. More power.
Bartolome C. SagadalJune 27, 2014 7:45 am
Congratulations to the 7 EU countries who initiated the energy binding target to 2030. Green energy is the safest move for us today. I hope the EU should consider helping the other developing countries like the Philippines. "In destroying Mother Earth, there is CHAOS and DEATH; in preserving, protecting, caring and enhancing Her, there is ABUNDANCE and LIFE! If the global warming which effected climate change due to human irresponsibility, abusive exploitation and indifference to Mother Earth, lets do the reverse of it. Be a true ambassador of Mother Earth to ensure Abundance and Life. Be an advocates and witnesses of Sustainable Development. Think Globally and act locally! Act now before its too late. Adopt Human-Ecological Sustainable (HESUS) Development paradigm cum Community Empowerment. binding target for energy efficiency in 203 binding target for energy efficiency in 203
C.D.June 26, 2014 10:52 pm
I don't know what to believe anymore! I recently read that the Antarctic ice is growing while Arctic ice is shrinking. What role does GEOENGINEERING and greed play in all of this?? That is the question! What about "solar radiation management" that they are definitely working on now.... it is making things much worse everywhere!
Mark TalmontJune 26, 2014 10:37 pm
"More jobs will be created". Name one. Maybe picking up all the dead birds around the windmills? Paying less for utilities? Did you miss where the Emperor Jones proclaimed "electricity prices will skyrocket"? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/74892.html Note Chu's slip of the tongue quoted there. What strange Orwellian world has emerged where you can't take the government leaders at their word?
DthrtbrgbdtndgtndtnJune 26, 2014 7:42 pm
Europeam united, lol
agsbJune 26, 2014 3:43 pm
Another problem is all life on Earth is Carbon based, so this is a weird way to commit suicide since all life contains carbon from DNA to the largest whale to plants and all life in-between!
Rich BalanceJune 26, 2014 12:51 pm
We know it was warmer many times in the past 10,000 years. That is what the Greenland ice cores tell us. So, why are the ice sheets still there? http://i.snag.gy/BztF1.jpg This paper is beyond bad science.
PygmalionJune 26, 2014 12:28 pm
They told us there were no more "what if" questions
Dimitar MirchevJune 26, 2014 9:51 am
Why do you think that fracking is even remotely possible in Europe?
David LewisJune 26, 2014 6:28 am
Carbon capture is too expensive to be practical. There is also no need. Of the various models of the IPCC (the United Nations climate group) only one predicts devastating warming but this models makes may unrealistic assumptions. The other models predict only moderate warming and it has become obvious that even these have over stated the impact of green house gasses.
Tony LusichJune 25, 2014 9:50 pm
People will not substantially modify their carbon footprint. I like the idea of putting it in the bottom of some selected areas under the ocean.
Joseph KubicaJune 25, 2014 8:59 pm
FOOLISHNESS!
Dutchman61June 25, 2014 7:13 pm
Wind is fine as a local surge supply supplemental power source, but it nearly useless as a primary supply since it can not maintain a steady voltage and current without heavy filtering. .It is very expensive and can not go head to head on cost. If it could why the drop? And there are not many places to put the mills. They are already slaughtering birds and bats in numbers that dwarf the highest by the coal industry. They the number one killer of California Condors (driving them back toward extinction again) and Bald Eagles. They are whipping out all of the progress made in whooping cranes and other endangered migratory birds. Yet that does not matter to the Left.
jaime54June 25, 2014 6:40 pm
Nato chief is right.Putin is against fracking because he wants Europe dependant on Russian gas.Of course mr putin will not say he is behind ptotests.KGB works like that
GuyBBJune 25, 2014 3:35 pm
Yet another attempt to use short attention span theater techniques. Odd, isn't it? Warmers will decry any attempt to use weather to argue against climate change, yet have not problems pointing to each and every weather event and saying, "SEE! SEE! I WARNED YOU!!!" What science that there is, has no meaning without connecting back to real world predictions of trends. A notable failure so far, yet, thousands of papers are being written on studies done ASSUMING that the worst case predictions WILL be true. Not one of those studies of secondary and tertiary effect are valid, in fact, they represent the logical fallacy, begging the question.
Angus2100June 25, 2014 11:31 am
Nope, your reasoning is simplistic. What's been termed the 'polar vortex', is a new weather phenomenon, that science has not yet fully understood. Best current understanding is that the very cold air that's normally confined to the Arctic region, due to the meandering jet stream, had been allowed to move to lower latitudes, creating the extreme cold that occurred in the US. But at the same time, Alaska, the Arctic, Siberia and other norther latitude places experienced very high temperatures.
David NevadaJune 25, 2014 11:26 am
Here you go Ed, Global warming data FAKED by government to fit climate change fictions http://www.naturalnews.com/045695_global_warming_fabricated_data_scientific_fraud.html#ixzz35e4djArM
hctrpntJune 25, 2014 5:56 am
I usually believe my friends about climate change;...
Peter BlaskoJune 25, 2014 2:50 am
I would like to see the math for the statement that cookstoves generate 11 billion in economic benefits for China. Writing that one equation will tell us a great deal about the quality of reasoning that underpins the headline-grabbing 2.6 trillion.
MAC615June 24, 2014 11:07 pm
The discussion should also include how predicatable and reliable wind generation is. Mother Nature is not either prdictable or reliable to be there consistently to generate electricity. I should know, since I operate a natural gas pipeline which is relied on alot to makeup for the missed predicition of wind power.
TEEJAYZJune 24, 2014 9:12 pm
Here's what I keep trying to wrap my head around but can't. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that climate change is a "hoax.' That all the data that's been compiled is strictly about making money. But isn't that what the oil and coal companies have been doing since they're been around? Running businesses to make money? Now unless the 'hoaxers' can explain to me why they would rather breathe polluted air and drink contaminated water, I just don't see the money trail they seem to want to follow. More jobs will be created with a big switch to renewables. That's for sure. And they'd be paying less for their utilities too. So the only conclusion I can draw is the hoaxers are standing in support of those who hurt them. I'll never get that.
NikolaiJune 24, 2014 8:29 pm
The ONLY thing a carbon tax will do is make energy more expensive, and move millions into poverty. But, I guess that is the plan...
Paul M RaupJune 24, 2014 8:22 pm
All the energy companies will just have to wait and see who Obama will choose to be profitable next year...........maybe he will have more "flexibility" after this election.
kcy2014June 24, 2014 7:28 pm
Sometime in the future but we don't know exactly when but it's going to be later than we told you but when it does it's going to be really bad. So give us more money and we'll tell you more stories about how bad it's going to be.
spec9June 24, 2014 6:51 pm
The GOP led Congress is a disaster. They have managed to exceed the record of the "Do Nothing" Congress in managing to do EVEN LESS.
wldJune 24, 2014 6:44 pm
Give them back their tax credits and fire some people at the IRS, NSA, ATF, and EPA to pay for it. The tax credit is cheap compared to breaking the liberal fantasy bubble they live in making us have to read this crap and hear them whine.
kcy2014June 24, 2014 6:00 pm
Yeah, and today was the hottest day since Sunday! Such records will begin to be significant once we gather data for about 20 thousand years.
floridanativeeJune 24, 2014 4:50 pm
This proves that wind can not begin to stand on it's own. As long as you are giving something away, people will take it, but when they have to pay for it, they will pass. If we had only spent a fraction of the money spent on huge old technology projects on research, the wind industry would be much further along. This is the fault of greedy politicians give projects to the democrat politically connected. We wasted billions of dollars on this.
Escape76June 24, 2014 4:31 pm
Yes, but only in Kazakhstan, Indonesia and other places where they can basically invent the past temperature records.
Climate HomeJune 24, 2014 4:23 pm
Hi David - could you supply a link to the story you mention? I'd be interested to read it. Ed King, RTCC Editor
gregreimerJune 24, 2014 3:21 pm
Outrageous cost, few benefits, wi-fi in your home 24/7, interference with pacemaker, gfci, afci, fires etc. no way
clearfogJune 24, 2014 3:11 pm
Just wait until the El Nino makes its inconvenient presence known. 2014/2015 will make 1997/1998 look like the blade end of another hockey stick.
David NevadaJune 24, 2014 10:12 am
One story on Yahoo truthfully admits data has been changed and this one explains the real reason for the fantasy of climate change..... World Bank: Climate policies could generate $2.6 trillion a year
Science OfficerJune 24, 2014 3:19 am
So, once again there's more Arctic ice coverage than at this same time last year. Mother Nature just isn't playing along with our global warming predictions, is she?
Science OfficerJune 24, 2014 3:06 am
H-m-m-m...with more humans on the planet, and more densely populated areas of economically developed structures. Wouldn't any weather event today have a greater socio-economic impact than previously? How much more devastating would the Great Dust Bowl of the '1930's have been, if our current populations and urban development had been in place?
Rich BalanceJune 23, 2014 11:02 pm
Nonsense. Ask any meteorologist and they will tell you that extreme weather is driven by temperature differential. A warming Arctic would reduce that differential and lead to less extreme weather. But hey, ignore decades of science. That is what you do best.
rodlemanJune 23, 2014 10:14 pm
It never ceases to amaze me how people will develop the most convoluted rationalization for avoiding anything that is an inconvenience. Man pollutes a river and fish die. Man stops and fish thrive again. Sure nature responded to our recklessness...fish died. WE had to change our behavior for nature to respond. Sometimes nature is more resilient than we thought. So...we can just test our recklessness and throw the dice? We have control over our destiny ....... if we are wiling to act in a timely manner.
michael mariotteJune 23, 2014 4:35 pm
It depends. For reactors with cooling towers, there are significant water losses. Less so with one-through cooling systems, but for those reactors, the water re-enters the river or other source at a much higher temperature, which has proven devastating to marine life at every site using once-through systems.
RussellLowesJune 22, 2014 8:41 pm
Thanks for putting out this article. I have one criticism, however. You are talking gross water use here. There should be a distinction. These plants do have an extremely high gross water use, and also have an extremely high net water use. The difference can be illuminating. For example, Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station, uses a net water intake of 63,000 acre-feet per year. However the gross water intake which recycles about 20 times if I recall (see the "Got Water?" report from the Union of Concerned Scientists). The net water use is the water that actually is lost to the environment through evaporation, be it a warmed river that then evaporates more water, or as in the case of Palo Verde's treatment plant water, three cooling towers per reactor (the most towers/reactor in the nation due to the highest temp for a nuke in the nation).
James FrancisJune 22, 2014 4:52 am
yes, a nuclear plant may withdraw 45,000 gallons per MW-hr, but that then goes back in the river. A bit more may evaporate, but nowhere NEAR 45,000 gallons. Sounds like someone's out to scare people with bogeymen.
Donald CampbellJune 21, 2014 7:26 pm
Wynn is on target. Hansen has it right. The Fee&Dividend solution with monies returned to legal residents is a workable, rapid, and effective solution to begin to bring down atmospheric pollution. Annually increasing fees are placed on carbon where it enters our economy--at the oil/gas well heads, coal mines, and ports of entry. A business-as-usual approach has been shown to be largely worthless as it does not effectively reduce the production of carbon-based fuels. Explanations of CF&D can be found in the publications of the Citizens Climate Lobby.
Tim ThomsonJune 21, 2014 2:57 pm
Not zealous enough unfortunately, and with highly suspect motives!
Tim ThomsonJune 21, 2014 2:52 pm
Apology accepted! See him off soon please before he does too much damage (eg Tasmanian forest, Gt Barrier Reef etc)
MegaGorgoJune 20, 2014 11:12 pm
You just went over the heads of every single teabagger.
bgreen2266June 20, 2014 9:52 pm
Crumbs yes but it will spur further inovation
Buzz FledderjohnJune 20, 2014 6:33 pm
Actually, 2014 has a good chance to be the hottest year on record, and 2015 is more likely to be the hottest. This is due to the developing El Nino. If you're talking about the severity of the winter in 2013, then you're only discussing North America, not including Alaska. Last winter saw a very warming winter in other parts of the northern hemisphere. The Arctic ice sheet will certainly NOT be "above average." Not even close.
Buzz FledderjohnJune 20, 2014 6:28 pm
The facts are that, 1) Arctic sea ice is in rapid decline and we will likely see seasonally ice-free conditions within the next 30 years, 2) The planet has likely not seen such conditions possibly since the the peak of the last interglacial and potentially not for over a million years, 3) We know the Antarctic sea ice is increasing as a result of warming, since Antarctic ice mass is in decline. Long and short is, you don't have a clue what you're presenting in these charts.
Weatherman RichieJune 20, 2014 1:11 am
Folks I do not believe that this El Niño will be the hottest (2014). This study is so bias warm that it's funny how they can say this. We are now in a COLD PDO phase and this is not going to be a big El Niño believe me. We here in NYC had a colder winter in 2013/14 with above snow, and I can tell you this expect another colder winter in the NorthEast and NYC with above snowfall for winter 2014/15.
GeorgeJune 19, 2014 5:03 pm
OK! But most of the 'hot air' originates from politicians!
Abdullah OblongataJune 19, 2014 11:24 am
This article is very confusing. The headline is almost laughable. The republicans have flip flopped on this issue because of fossil fuel money from The Koch Bros. and Exxon. Anyone who doesn't toe the line will have a well funded opponent running against them. Most of the current tea bag members of the house are as knowledgable as a tomato when it comes to climate science.
David NevadaJune 19, 2014 10:32 am
Us right wingers already know that. That's why we don't push the fantasy of climate change.
Leslie GrahamJune 19, 2014 9:55 am
Good greif. Says it all about the deniers doesn't it. What happens in the Arctic doesn't stay in the Arctic. For one thing it's likely that the decreased temperature differential is what is causng the Jet Stream to meander further south over the US and bringing Arctic temperatures down with it. The high pressure area that has got stuck over the north east Pacific is probably as a result of it too - this has cause the drought in California and this is why you will be paying more for food soon if you aren't already. The aquifers are being pumped dry to keep production going in the short term but if we don't slow the warming then it's game over for the south west within your lifetime. This is going to effect every person on Earth.
Leslie GrahamJune 19, 2014 9:49 am
The ice didn't expand 50% anyway. That was based on a lie from David Rose at the Daily Mail who fraudulantly used data from the lowest ever extent on the 21st of September 2012 and compared it to data from the 12th August 2013. You have to remember that the Denial Industry disinformers just make stuff up. The actual increase from the lowest ever level was 29% and even then it ended the melt season at 425,000 square miles below the average and was the sixth lowest extent on record - and very likely the sixth lowest extent for 8,000 years. That the Denial Industry shills tried to spin this as some sort of 'recovery' merely illustrates either their profound ignorance or their total lack of shame about deliberate lies,. Fortunately climate change is now so obvious that they just sound insane these days. And the last fringe whackjobs will never never admit they have been proved utterly wrong by events so they are not really worth bothering with. The 'debate' has long since moved on to 'what are we going to do about it'. If the Denial Industry shills really can't bring themselves to lend a hand then maybe they will have the decency to STFU and get out of the damn way while the grown ups try to clean up their mess.
Leslie GrahamJune 19, 2014 9:36 am
The Arctic summer ice volume has fallen by 75% since 1979. It hasn't been this low for the last 8,000 years, Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound, And by the way - last year was the 5th warmest on record. The US consists of 1.8% of the surface of the planet and Europe even less. Those were just about only two regions on Earth that were not warmer than average. A bigger area of Siberia was 18C!! above average for over a month just for one example. This absurd denialist meme "It was cold in my back garden so therefore it was cold all over the world" is so mind-meltingly stupid I can hardly believe there are still a few idiots who yet parrot it, It's pathetic.
Leslie GrahamJune 19, 2014 9:34 am
LOL Yeah right. Come back in late September and admit you are hopelessly and ludicrously wrong, It's already been the warmest spring in recorded history and the El Nino hasn't even started yet. Even with a mild El Nino we will break the 2010 record. In fact it's looking like we will break the 2010 record even without an El Nino. You whackjobs are sounding more imbecilic every day. Not that you matter any more.
Leslie GrahamJune 19, 2014 9:31 am
Another day another peice of misleading junk from the climate denial BS machine. Do you really think we are all so stupid that we can't see that graph is for today not for the September minimum? Now that climate change is an obvious everyday reality all over the planet the denial industry shills have become desperate and hysterical. It's so pathetic. Give it up guys - it's over - you are on the wrong side of history and these ever more vacous and insulting attempts to deceive are not foolong anyone.
Al HopferJune 19, 2014 4:23 am
Given enough time, science must eventually agree with the truth. Just give it time.
Al HopferJune 19, 2014 4:23 am
Nature will survive whatever nature allows. Nature allowed humans, thus showing we humans ARE nature just as everything else on this planet. Nature will also take care of itself regardless even if nature itself is the attacker. 4.5 billion years of a lot worse than what humans alone are able to do. The problem with some people is that they frighten easily. Nature fears nothing.
DougMovedIn67June 19, 2014 1:37 am
"The implication was climate scientist" that is pathetic... "As independent scientists, we know that apparent evidence of "Climate Change," however scary, is not proof of anything," wrote the 15 scientists and meteorologists,including Dr. Don Easterbrook of Western Washington University and Dr. George Wolff, who formerly chaired the Environmental Protection Agency's Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee. http://www.delhidailynews.com/news/Group-of-scientists-reject-White-House-global-warming-report-1400261383/ Are these 15 scientist stupid or are you? ( hint: copy and paste the link if you have trouble).
DougMovedIn67June 19, 2014 1:32 am
you are blind to the facts, your eyes can not see logic. Its you.
Alan PoirierJune 19, 2014 1:20 am
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Fight terrorism by decarbonizing. Kerry can't be serious. Then again, considering The U.S. is leaving Iraq with its tail tucked between its legs, a climate policy to fight terrorism makes so much sense.
agsbJune 19, 2014 12:14 am
Satellites that can read sea levels and temperature say all is normal!
AngelboorJune 19, 2014 12:05 am
Of course it got hotter, like in Paleocene, Eocene. Just a reminder, in those ages the world was most water with a little portion of land.
joe petroskyJune 18, 2014 10:46 pm
More political science gone wrong. send me money.
BobbyJune 18, 2014 9:47 pm
Scientists Respond to the Obama Administration's National Climate Assessment - 2014 The National Climate Assessment - 2014 (NCA) is a masterpiece of marketing that shows for the first time the full capabilities of the Obama Administration to spin a scientific topic as they see fit, without regard to the underlying facts. With hundreds of pages written by hundreds of captive scientists and marketing specialists, the administration presents their case for extreme climate alarm. As independent scientists, we know that apparent evidence of Climate Change however scary, is not proof of anything. Science derives its objectivity from robust logic and honest evidence repeatedly tested by all knowledgeable scientists, not just those paid to support the administration’s version of “Global Warming,” “Climate Change,” “Climate Disruption,” or whatever their marketing specialists call it today. We are asked to believe that humans are drastically changing the earth's climate by burning fossil fuels. The problem with their theory is very simple: It is NOT true. Here we address the administration’s basic thesis and the essential evidence that they claim support extreme concern. The theory of 'Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming' (CAGW) is based on a string of inferences that begins with the assumptions that carbon dioxide is a 'greenhouse gas' and that we are slowly driving up the atmospheric concentration by burning fossil fuels. It is therefore claimed as self-evident that the Global Average Surface Temperature (GAST) has already risen significantly and will continue to do so. Higher GAST is then presumed to lead to all sorts of negative consequences, especially Extreme Weather. They promote their 'Climate Models' as a reliable way to predict the future climate. But these models dramatically fail basic verification tests. Nowhere do they admit to these well-known failures. Instead, we are led to believe that their climate models are close to perfection. This document is structured around a “fact-check,” where we quote a number of the government's key claims in the NCA and show each to be invalid. The first three claims involve their three crucial scientific arguments (Three Lines of Evidence or 3 LoE), which, if valid, would satisfy a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for making their case. But each is easily shown to be false; and because each is crucial, their entire theory collapses. That means that all of the overblown “Climate Disruption” evidence that they mention, whether true or not, cannot be tied back to man's burning of fossil fuels. Hence, efforts to reduce or eliminate Extreme Weather by reducing the burning of fossil fuels are completely nonsensical. NCA CLAIM #1: “First 'Line of Evidence' (LoE) - Fundamental Understanding of GH Gases” “The conclusion that human influences are the primary driver of recent climate change is based on multiple lines of independent evidence. The first line of evidence is our fundamental understanding of how certain gases trap heat, how the climate system responds to increases in these gases, and how other human and natural factors influence climate.” (NCA, Page 23) RESPONSE: Many scientists have provided ample evidence that the government's finding, used by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), is grossly flawed. In its Endangerment Finding, EPA claimed with 90-99% certainty that observed warming in the latter half of the twentieth century resulted from human activity. Using the most credible empirical data available, it is relatively straightforward to soundly reject each of EPA’s Three LoE. This U.S. Supreme Court Amicus brief contains the details: http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/files/2013/07/GW-Amicus-2013-05-23-Br-of-Amici-Curiae-Scientists-ISO-Petitions-fo...2.pdf EPA’s Greenhouse Gas 'Hot Spot' theory is that in the tropics, the mid-troposphere must warm faster than the lower troposphere, and the lower troposphere must warm faster than the surface, all due to rising CO2 concentrations. However, this is totally at odds with multiple robust, consistent, independently-derived empirical datasets, all showing no statistically significant positive (or negative) trend in temperature and thus, no difference in trend slope by altitude. Therefore, EPA’s theory as to how CO2 impactsGAST must be rejected. Below is a graphical comparison of their Hot Spot theory versus reality, where reds denote warming and blues, cooling. Clearly, the government's understanding of how CO2 gas traps heat is fundamentally flawed. NCA CLAIM #2: “Second LoE - Unusual Warming in recent decades” “The second line of evidence is from reconstructions of past climates using evidence such as tree rings, ice cores, and corals. These show that global surface temperatures over the last several decades are clearly unusual, with the last decade (2000-2009) warmer than any time in at least the last 1,300 years and perhaps much longer.” (NCA, Page 23) RESPONSE: “Global Warming” has not been global and has not set regional records where warming has occurred. For example, over the last fifty years, while the Arctic has warmed, the tropical oceans had a flat trend (see e.g. NOAA Buoy Data: NINO 3.4, Degrees C, available at http://www.cpc.ncep. noaa.gov/data/indices/ersst3b.nino.mth.81-10.ascii,) and the Antarctic cooled slightly. The most significant warming during this period occurred in the Northern Hemisphere, north of the tropics but that ceased over the last 15 years or more. Also, as the figure below shows, over the last 130 years the decade of the 1930’s still has the most U.S. State High Temperatures records. And, over the past 50 years, there were more new State Record Lows set than Record Highs. In fact, roughly 70% of the current State Record Highs were set prior to 1940. http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=66585975-a507-4d81-b750-def3ec74913d See NOAA NATIONAL CLIMATIC DATA CTR., State Climate Extremes Committee, Records, https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/scec/records If the observed warming over the last half century can anywhere be claimed to be unusual, it would have to be where it was greatest – in the Arctic. Both satellite and surface station data show a warming of about two degrees Celsius since the 1970's. But the surface station data (see the Figure below) show that warming in context. Recent warming was very similar to the previous warming from 1900 to 1940, reaching virtually the same peak. This refutes the government claim that recent warming (which occurred when man-made CO2 was rising) was notably different from an era when man-made CO2 was not claimed to be a factor. It also points out an essential feature of most credible thermometer records that cover many decades. Our climate is highly cyclical, driven in fact by ocean and solar cycles, not carbon dioxide. Using only the upward trend of the most recent half cycle to suggest relentless warming is very deceptive. NCA CLAIM #3: Third LoE – “The Climate Models” The third line of evidence comes from using climate models to simulate the climate of the past century, separating the human and natural factors that influence climate.(NCA, Page 24) RESPONSE: The Administration relied upon Climate Models, all predicated on the GHG Hot Spot Theory, that all fail standard model validation and forecast reliability tests. These Climate Models are simulations of reality and far from exact solutions of the fundamental physics. The models all forecast rising temperatures beyond 2000 although the GAST trend has recently been flat. See the figure below. This is not surprising because EPA never carried out any published forecast reliability tests. The government's hugely expensive climate models are monumental failures. NCA CLAIM #4: “Extreme Weather – Temperatures” “global temperatures are still on the rise and are expected to rise further.” (NCA, Page 8) “The most recent decade was the nation’s and the world’s hottest on record, and 2012 was the hottest year on record in the continental United States. All U.S. regions have experienced warming in recent decades, but the extent of warming has not been uniform. (NCA, Page 8) RESPONSE: As mentioned in the response to CLAIM #2, most of the warming in the second half of the 20th century occurred north of the tropics. But as shown below, this warming stopped over 17 years ago. Furthermore, the Hadley Centre (upon which the government and the UN IPCC heavily relied) recently announced a forecast that the GAST trend line will likely remain flat for another five years. See Decadal forecast, MET OFFICE, http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/seasonal-to-decadal/long-range/decadal-fc As for claims about record setting U.S. temperatures, please see our response to CLAIM #2 above. See National Space Sci. & Tech.Ctr., North of 20 North Temperature Anomalies UAH Satellite Data: Lower Troposphere Degrees C, available at http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/ t2lt/uahncdc.lt The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) was critical of the draft National Climate Assessment, saying that “An overly narrow focus can encourage one-sided solutions, for instance by giving an impression that reducing greenhouse gas emissions alone will solve all of the major environmental concerns discussed in this report.” The NAS has also criticized “the lack of explicit discussion about the uncertainties associated with the regional model projections,” saying that “Decision makers need a clear understanding of these uncertainties in order to fairly evaluate the actual utility of using these projections as a basis for planning decisions.” NCA CLAIM #5 “Extreme Weather – Hurricanes” “The intensity, frequency, and duration of North Atlantic hurricanes, as well as the frequency of the strongest (Category 4 and 5) hurricanes, have all increased since the early 1980s.” (NCA, Page 20) “Extreme Weather - “Droughts and Floods” “both extreme wetness and extreme dryness are projected to increase in many areas.” (NCA, Page 33) RESPONSE: According to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC,) there is “high agreement” among leading experts that long-term trends in weather disasters are not attributable to our use of fossil fuels. Hurricanes have not increased in the United States in frequency, intensity, or normalized damage since at least 1900. Currently, the U.S. is enjoying a period of over eight years without a Category 3 or stronger hurricane making landfall. Government data also indicate no association between use of fossil fuels and tornado activity. The data on droughts paint a similar picture. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration found that “Climate change was not a significant part” of the recent drought in Texas. And the IPCC found that “in some regions, droughts have become less frequent, less intense, or shorter, for example, central North America ….” The IPCC also states there is “low confidence” in any climate-related trends for flood magnitude or frequency on a global scale. Still More NCA CLAIMS RESPONSE: All of the other government claims worth discussing have been answered effectively in other commentaries. These include those related to ocean and lake ice levels, sea levels, and ocean alkalinity. Detailed rebuttals of such government claims can be found in reports available from CATO, CEI, Climate Depot, Heritage, ICECAP, TWTW, and WUWT. SUMMARY The Obama Administration's National Climate Assessment begins with probably their most preposterous claims: “Climate change, once considered an issue for a distant future, has moved firmly into the present.” (NCA, Page 1) “Evidence for climate change abounds, from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the oceans.” (NCA, Page 7) “There is still time to act to limit the amount of change and the extent of damaging impacts” (NCA, Page 2) RESPONSE: This is pure rhetorical nonsense born of a cynical attempt to exploit short term memories and/or little knowledge of the Earth's climate history and climate processes. Our climate is constantly changing for perfectly natural reasons that have nothing to do with carbon dioxide. With the Earth's vast oceans and atmosphere never in complete equilibrium, our climate will always be changing on time scales from weeks to months to years to decades to centuries and beyond. With a star varying cyclically as our heat source and with an enormous planet like Jupiter tugging on our orbit around the Sun, dramatic climate changes are expected to occur. (See pages 39-50 in USCA, Case #09-1322, Document #1312291, Filed: 06/08/2011.) However, none of these dramatic climate changes have any connection to our use of fossil fuels. Yet the Obama Administration insists on building a House of Cards predicated on their Three Lines of Evidence as discussed in CLAIMS 1, 2, and 3 above. With all three of their Lines of Evidence shown to be invalid, their entire House of Cards collapses. For example, if increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations do not yield higher GAST, the claimed CO2 connection to higher sea levels is lost. What about their frequent claims that nearly all scientists agree with their analysis findings? By ignoring and even denouncing growing criticism, they have lost the benefit of crucial scientific debates which are critical to keeping their analyses honest and objective. In fact, as documented above in response to Claims 4 and 5, they are even disregarding their usual allies, the UN IPCC and US National Academy of Sciences, both of whom have been dialing back apocalyptic claims, not amplifying them due at least in part to such critical feedback. Bottom-Line: This NCA is so grossly flawed it should play no role in U.S. Energy Policy Analyses and CO2 regulatory processes. As this rebuttal makes clear, the NCA provides no scientific basis whatsoever for regulating CO2 emissions. NCA REBUTTAL AUTHORS/REVIEWERS Joseph S. D’Aleo Certified Consultant Meteorologist, American Meteorological Society Fellow M.S., Meteorology, University of Wisconsin B.S., Meteorology (cum laude), University of Wisconsin Dr. Harold H. Doiron Retired VP, Engineering Analysis and Test Division, InDyne, Inc. Ex-NASA JSC, Aerospace Consultant B.S. Physics, University of Louisiana - Lafayette M.S., PhD. Mechanical Engineering, University of Houston Dr. Don J. Easterbrook Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University Ph.D., Geology, University of Washington, Seattle M.S., Geology, University of Washington, Seattle B.S., Geology, University of Washington, Seattle Dr. Neil Frank B.S., Chemistry, Southwestern College M.S., Ph.D. Meteorology, Florida State Former Director of the National Hurricane Center Dr. Gordon J. Fulks Ph.D., Physics, University of Chicago M.S., Physics, University of Chicago B.S., Physics, University of Chicago Dr. William M. Gray Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University Ph.D., Geophysical Sciences, University of Chicago M.S., Meteorology, University of Chicago B.S., Geography, George Washington University Art Horn B.Sc. Meteorology Lyndon State College Teaches Meteorology/Climatology at Tunxis Community College TV Meteorologist 25 years, lecturer, expert witness, radio broadcaster Dr. Thomas P. Sheahen Ph.D., Physics, M.I.T. B.S., Physics, M.I.T. Dr. S. Fred Singer Fellow AAAS, APS, AGU Prof Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, U of VA Ph. D., Physics, Princeton University BEE, Ohio State University Dr. Anthony R. Lupo IPCC Expert Reviewer Professor, Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri Ph.D., Atmospheric Science, Purdue University M.S., Atmospheric Science, Purdue University Dr. Madhav Khandekar Retired Scientist, Environment Canada Expert Reviewer IPCC 2007 Climate Change Documents George Taylor Certified Consulting Meteorologist President Applied Climate Services Two time President of the American Association of State Climatologists B.A. Mathematics, University of California M.S. Meteorology University of Utah Dr. James P. Wallace III Jim Wallace & Associates, LLC Ph.D., Economics, Minor in Engineering, Brown University M.S., Mechanical Engineering, Brown University B.S., Aeronautical Engineering, Brown University Dr. George T. Wolff Former Chair EPA's Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee Ph.D., Environmental Sciences, Rutgers University M.S., Meteorology, New York University B.S., Chemical Engineering, New Jersey Institute of Technology Dr. Theodore R. Eck Ph.D., Economics, Mich. State U.; M.A, Economics, U. of Michigan Fulbright Professor of International Economics Former Chief Economist of Amoco Corp. and Exxon Venezuela Advisory Board of the Gas Technology Institute and Energy Intelligence Group May 15, 2014
Rich BalanceJune 18, 2014 9:37 pm
Actually it is quite amusing that anyone thinks Congress can control the weather. Hilarious even. In addition, during the last couple of decades the global temperature has been flat. Exactly what is it these people think Congress should change?
Earl DeckerJune 18, 2014 7:53 pm
Were these the 4 people concerned about the next ice age happening if we did not do something to change the climate during the 1970's when the EPA was established by President Nixon .Seems like a flip-flop bunch of Republications that know little of climate change.
AJJune 18, 2014 5:47 pm
Who, when, where is it explained with great clarity??
GhawkerJune 18, 2014 3:42 pm
Valerie, you obviously have absolutely no understanding of the fracing process: 1. Each well can have up to 18 or more frac stages--the totality adding up to the 5 million gallons you quote. You are exaggerating this claim by 18 times. 2. The 25 billion gallons of water used for fracing in Texas represented less than 1 percent of all groundwater useage in the state for that year. Agricultural and residential water use makes up the majority of water use in all states. Far more water is used per unit energy for ethanol production, which is federally subsidized. 3. You imply that groundwater is a finite, non-renewable resource. In actuality, most aquifers are subject to recharge and renewal. Granted, some may be drawn down during doughts, but they will be recharged, probably during the coming El Nino event. 4. You conveniently omit the fact that the EPA found absolutely no evidence of groundwater contamination in Dimmock Township. That's why the state no longer requires Cabot to supply the residents with water. 5. We all know the real reason behind fractivism--the shale revolution has made renewables uncompetitive with natural gas-fired power production.
Tom CoppersJune 18, 2014 3:12 pm
Fracking Fluid has caused poisoned ground water flowing through new man made cracks in all directions. Up to the surface, down and sideways. Coming up in springs, creeks, streams and lakes. Gas coming into families' homes through the faucets from their now poisoned wells. Farms without clean water for their animals. Families needing to truck in water to bath, drink and use. Flowing hazardous chemicals(fracking fluid) poisoning land throughout how many miles of ground and surface water from the Gas Well Site? Millions of acres of NEW TOXIC WASTE LAND in AMERICA approved by corrupt politicians and bribed EPA workers is being created. Lets see them drink the contaminated, poisoned water caused by injecting hazardous chemicals into the ground. Where are all the Going Green People as these millions of acres are being contaminated forever. It cannot be cleaned up. The earth and the water flowing through it in contact with these hazardous chemicals from 1 foot to 20000 feet down will be poisoned forever. The cost of cleaning earth and minerals in this amount would be more than can be imagined. Many of the birds, fish and animals that consume this water, depending on the amount of hazardous chemicals leaked into the pond or stream they drink from, will die quickly or slowly. Right now Openly in America clean land is being poisoned while the Government Regulators, Politicians and citizens watch. The current administration said, regarding the Gulf of Mexico spill, that non-enforcement of drilling rules was a problem for decades. History seems to be repeating itself in the name of greed. All while clean, long existing alternatives for energy are ignored or prevented from being used. WHY IS DESTROYING AQUIFERS and CLEAN LAND and WATER and AIR OK in AMERICA? Are they horizontally drilling under your family's home now to take the natural gas and poison your well water/ground water? They can drill from two miles and further away to directly underneath your home to poison your family's well water if your states' politicians have voted to allow it..............PS.-Is the Fracking causing Earthquakes? Pumping billions of barrels of Toxic Fluids UNDER MASSIVE PRESSURE INTO the GROUND. Could it be figured this may be a problem for geology/earthquakes? Also, once the natural gas is sold overseas and almost all the ground water in North Carolina is poisoned, then the residents will be dependent on buying water at any price forever to stay alive. Is selling drinkable water the hidden agenda? If you live for another 30 years, you will see the wasteland NC will become. The toxic soup springing up from under our feet could happen with any step we take. The Aquifers can flow together for hundreds or thousands of miles. It would be too late then. North Carolina is not new to allowing industry to destroy former clean natural resources. The COASTAL FISHING INDUSTRY WAS KILLED after NC permitted 3800 massive open-pit hog waste lagoons contaminating the state's drinking water, polluting its air and streams and causing open sores and deformed fish and crabs. The runoff from 19 million tons of hog waste produced annually in Eastern North Carolina from the hog factories has polluted Albemarle Sound, the largest freshwater sound in the country, and adjacent Pamlico Sound, the largest enclosed saltwater sound. Would you eat seafood with open sores and deformations? Also causing Red Tide and Pfiesteria. So, they have polluted the large sounds on the coast for decades and now they want to poison the Aquifers in North Carolina and water in nearby states that share the same ground water? This can be stopped. Please call your representatives. The internet can show you how many vast communities have poisoned water from Fracking. It's documented. Now they have no clean water. So again, what price will they be charging citizens for clean water to stay alive?
moresnare1970June 18, 2014 2:56 pm
That. Was. Awesome.
JimKJune 18, 2014 1:47 pm
You liberals live in a dream world.
windy2June 18, 2014 1:40 pm
Sophie - Al Gore's Hedge Fund has sold off all but 1 of its "green" investments. Get a clue about reality and why nobody is willing to put their own hard earned money into "green" sandcastles that Kerry is trying to pawn off as good for the economy. If green investment were so great investors would be banging down the doors to get in. Look at the BETA on these stocks and the performance and see why most people who hold these stocks lost 90% of their investment. I assume you have no money as you seem incapable of identifying economic nonsense when it is presented to you by someone like Kerry. As for DeCaprio, he is busy yachting around the globe in a 300 foot ship emitting huge amounts of CO2 at the moment. Is yachting to the World Cup better for the planet than private jetting to the World Cup like he did last time? He's soooooooooo green that DeCaprio fellow and thanks for presenting him as just another rich activist spouting a "do as I say not as I do" philosophy. everyone with a brain knows that his $7 million is shakedown/payoff money meant to curry favor with brain dead climate fanatics and to keep journalists like you drooling over him and not portraying him in the light of reality as the horrible polluter he really is.
Kairon WoulfgangJune 18, 2014 10:29 am
I've watched a few videos about people who are fighting desertification. one guy invented this thing that you put the plant in and it collects moisture from the air to watter the plant.
FredJune 18, 2014 3:55 am
Yes David, natural things happen with the climate system. Why don't you go share what you just learned with your right-wing friends?
firemanJune 18, 2014 3:14 am
in layman terms, if we double the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere we will add about 1 degree C to the climate....not 5 to 10 like the models predict. They are arguing that the natural mechanisms that balance our climate will shut down. They base this on ......nothing....that's why every model has failed for the last 10 years to predict....anything...
firemanJune 18, 2014 3:08 am
OH come on, Hansen who heads up N.A.S.A's Climatology department has to be a neutral party.....just because he has been arrested for stopping coal truck from leaving the mines....doesn't make him a nut case does it....And when the figures didn't show enough global warming for the last 10 years...he found an innovative new way to calculate the temperatures....he didn't recalculate the bench mark though......do you think that's a problem?
QueenslandchrisJune 18, 2014 2:56 am
The hottest in the northern hemisphere will follow the hottest in the southern. So your next summer will be a beaut.
SchlibdiverJune 18, 2014 1:05 am
Get the facts.
SchlibdiverJune 18, 2014 1:03 am
Another day, another AGW propaganda piece. Meanwhile, in other news; http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2014/06/17/sea-ice-update-june-17-2014-100th-daily-record-for-antarctica-global-sea-ice-higher-than-one-standard-deviation/
Mike HillsgroveJune 18, 2014 12:53 am
There is only one real solution. That is the phaseout of all fossil fuels. There is a solution however, and that is a worldwide movement toward building a HYDROGEN economy built on renewable energy sources. The worldwide deal must include the sharing of technologies and the prevention of attempts to use IP laws to prevent implementation of renewable solutions.
rodlemanJune 18, 2014 12:17 am
Science is about probabilites. Media is about sensational headlines. Please don't mistake one for the other. The satellites show the earth is retaining more and more heat year after year. It is out of balance. More ice melts, deserts get larger, oceans get warmer. This is not good....its happening too fast.
rodlemanJune 18, 2014 12:13 am
Ridicule and Sarcasm often come before the shock. Climate Change is going to hurt.
rodlemanJune 18, 2014 12:11 am
Let's be clear. Total meltdown will take hundreds of years. Arctic sea ice could be gone in summer within a few years - that is a big deal. Much more solar energy absorbed on earth - much more heating.
rodlemanJune 18, 2014 12:08 am
It has everything to do with our progeny,.....and your pocketbook. Higher food prices for one. More fires to endure. More civil unrest in drought-stricken regions (that have oil).
rodlemanJune 18, 2014 12:02 am
But can they survive ocean acidification?
rodlemanJune 17, 2014 11:42 pm
Both terms are used. Global Warming is what is generally happening. Climate Change is the end result of Global Warming. The terms are used depending on the context of discussion.
rodlemanJune 17, 2014 11:38 pm
True.
rodlemanJune 17, 2014 11:35 pm
I don't know what you mean by "fact". A scientific "theory" is the highest form of understanding about a phenomenon. There is no "proof" in science. Probabilities - yes. High confidence - yes. But, everything is open for reexamination if compelling evidence is presented.
rodlemanJune 17, 2014 11:30 pm
For anyone who cares, El Nino is not forced by climate change but can be affected. They are hard to predict more than 6 months in advance and even then its chancy. ON AVERAGE, across the globe, temps tend to get hotter and wetter. The extremes will cause starvation and death. Its a serious event.
Glenn dorseyJune 17, 2014 9:54 pm
The global warming trumpeters will be thrilled to take this news as gospel and adopt it to their gloom and doom reports. The only problem is no one can forecast when El Nino will retreat and La Nino take over.
Ron BurgessJune 17, 2014 9:49 pm
Here's the problem-"On record". I guess it never got hotter before records were kept, right, warmists?
AitorJune 17, 2014 6:57 pm
I'll make a prediction: 2014 will NOT be the hottest year on record, the winter of 2014 will be more severe than that of 2013 and the Arctic Ice Cap will be above average of the past 30 years..
MissMagooJune 17, 2014 6:02 pm
The UK is led by zealots. Most of them are completely in the dark about climate and accept what they are told by false prophets. Which is the wrong side of the climate debate may well surprise our clueless leaders. Let's take a measured and responsible line on carbon reduction in line with the reality of the changing climate rather than the hype.
Ray Del ColleJune 17, 2014 5:45 pm
"El Niño and La Niña make temperatures change from year to year. In the long run, the Earth is steadily warming." http://clmtr.lt/c/IFb0Bbg0cMJ
Science OfficerJune 17, 2014 5:32 pm
So in other words, seasonal ice coverage in the Arctic continues to expand from the low point in 2012. There's more ice than before. Yeah, that doesn't sound very threatening, does it? Better express this in terms more likely to sound as if there's a problem, and global warming is causing extreme conditions in the Arctic. We'll also conveniently ignore the record ice formation in the Antarctic and the fact that there's still ice on Lake Superior this year. Maybe an El Niño will cause enough higher temperatures to make us forget the record frozen winter North America and Europe just went through.
agsbJune 17, 2014 5:32 pm
How about getting the UN out of the US
clearfogJune 17, 2014 4:22 pm
Deniers got all excited when they were told that 2013 Arctic ice had increased 50-60% over 2012. After all, it meant the end of the AGW hoax, did it not. Funny though, the people telling them that, but certainly not them, knew that 2012 was the first lowest since modern measurements and 2013, with it grandiose increase over the lowest ever, was still the sixth lowest ever. Puppetmasters enjoy pulling strings. Now comes 2014. What say you puppets and masters alike?
clearfogJune 17, 2014 4:13 pm
It is completely irrelevant to you. Not to smart people though.
bubsirJune 17, 2014 3:55 pm
Scientist have indeed explained the greenhouse effect with great clarity. It is quite clear that without CO2 it would be a frozen planet - that is not disputed by reputable scientists.
bubsirJune 17, 2014 3:53 pm
NASA said nothing of the sort! The "trend" is still very much one of warming. Many people are focused on much to small a part of the signal. Be patient, we are still in the warmest period in recorded history.
YubamanJune 17, 2014 2:03 pm
Who paid for this study?
BIll TestonJune 17, 2014 1:59 pm
Well, it's got to happen sooner or later. temperatures are not going to stay the same forever.
bloozedaddyJune 17, 2014 1:31 pm
I'm sure these dolts "might expect" every possible scenario...just to cover their a$$es. Basically "if you like your global warming you can keep your global warming".
Robin_GuenierJune 17, 2014 12:57 pm
It's important to remember that cutting "carbon intensity" is not the same thing as cutting emissions. In a growing economy, such as China's, it's possible to make significant reductions in intensity yet still increase emissions substantially - as China has demonstrated since 2005. If it's seriously intended that at the Paris conference (COP21) “Governments must deliver a Protocol under which all countries take on binding emissions reduction commitments” (http://www.greenpeace.org/international/Global/international/briefings/climate/COP19/Greenpeace-Road-to-Paris.pdf), China will have to move from intensity cuts to emission cuts. It's most unlikely that it will be interested in doing so. Moreover I was astonished to see this statement in the article: "But the target was a pledge, rather than a binding target agreed under a treaty. Such national pledges are expected to be the approach taken in climate deals going forward ..." Is that really the case? If so (and it would be helpful to see a reference supporting it), any Paris deal, far from comprising "binding emissions reduction commitments", would essentially be meaningless.
SherlocktooJune 17, 2014 11:15 am
AGW scientists predictions are laughable. Just study all the WRONG predictions of the past, as they continue to try to scare a new generation into believing. With all these dire prediction, you know that a some point they are bound to get something right. But now they have a way of claiming to be right always. Just have different scientists predict the opposite, and the msm will confirm who is right, without ever saying who is WRONG.
andres pirazzoliJune 17, 2014 11:06 am
it`s all about access to information....
David NevadaJune 17, 2014 10:11 am
So it will have NOTHING to do with man, but a NATURAL phenomenon that occurs every few years.
Ben GhazyJune 17, 2014 9:44 am
El Niño means 2014 could be hottest year ever El Niño means 2014 could be hottest year ever El Niño means 2014 could be hottest year everIf my sister had balls, she could be my brother.
PygmalionJune 17, 2014 9:30 am
"El Niño means 2014 could be hottest year ever" Or not - They don't know.
kcy2014June 17, 2014 8:04 am
Too bad, so sad. What has that to do with us? Meanwhile, our economy is going what direction?
ThomasJune 17, 2014 6:15 am
More Malarkey from the GloBull Warming crowd
Palefac 43June 17, 2014 6:12 am
Interesting. I moved to the Los Angeles area in January so I'm not familiar with the usual weather for this time of year. Since being here I have been amazed at how cool and comfortable the weather has been. 2014 is almost 1/2 over and it has been great. I do hope we will be getting some rain though.
jmokeJune 17, 2014 5:29 am
4,406 record cold temperatures in January; 1,073 Snowfall records... City Fines Residents Up To $100 For Not Shoveling Sidewalks... Panicked Shoppers Fight Over Food... 'Snow Rage' Afflicts Locals.. Man Puts Gun To Plow Driver's Head... Psychiatrist: 'Tremendous Amount' Of Seasonal Affect Disorder... Pregnant woman killed by snowplow in Brooklyn... Great Lakes ice breakers exhausted...HuH? Let us pray: ALGORE is my shepherd; I shall not think. He maketh me lie down in Greeneth pastures: He leadeth me beside the still-freezing waters. He selleth my soul for CO2: He leadeth me in the paths of self-righteousness for his own sake. Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of reason I will fear all logic: for thou art with me and thinking for me Thy Gore’s family oil fortune and thy 10,000 square Gorey foot mansion,they comfort me. Thou preparest a movie in the presence of contradictory evidence: Thou anointest mine head with nonsense; my obedience runneth over. Surely blind faith and hysteria shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of ALGORE forever..........
PygmalionJune 17, 2014 5:17 am
"Warming Arctic may mean fewer icy blasts for Europe and America"... Or not. They don't know. The only thing of which we may be certain is, whatever happens they will say it proves them right.
grandpaezJune 17, 2014 4:51 am
Well it's going to have to warm up fast because we have just experienced the coldest spring in years.
DarylJune 17, 2014 4:00 am
As a Canadian, I'm don't support everything our government does, but I'm fully supportive on this matter.
RealityJune 17, 2014 2:33 am
I live in Dallas, TX. No where close to the "hottest" year here. Not one 100 degree day yet. In 1998 we had over 20 days over a hundred in May.
Engineer66June 17, 2014 2:00 am
And it could also be the coolest....
RedJune 17, 2014 1:46 am
Maybe, could, might, chance... blah... blah...
Ray Del ColleJune 17, 2014 1:40 am
"In the last 200 years, the ocean has become about 30% more acidic, threatening the habitats of sea creatures and making it harder for corals and shellfish to form the hard shells they need to survive." http://clmtr.lt/c/ICu0d90cMJ
$5308190June 17, 2014 1:26 am
"I think there’s a reasonable chance it could be the warmest year on record given the El Niño forecasts." More chance of 2015 being the hottest on record, since El Niño doesn't care about our standard-northern summer/ winter split, and takes many many months to reach its maximum. Certainly that's what we saw in the dullards-favourite starting point for global temp measurements - 1998. The El Niño for that year began in mid 1997.
reddye26June 17, 2014 1:02 am
The problem with contemporary climate scientists is their universe is far too small. They pretend they alive during the Medieval, Roman and every other warm period the planet has experienced and were measuring temperature and other quantities with modern instrumentation. It is highly unlikely 2014 will be the warmest year ever. It may be the warmest year since 1998. This is exactly the hyperpole that tripped up Michael Mann, Penn State Climate Scientist and data massager. The National Academy of Sciences told him the current period is warmer than any time in the last 400 yrs because that's what his data shows. It is not warmer than any in the last 1000 or whatever he claimed. Plus, about 600 yrs ago, the planet began the Little Ice Age. Doesn't take much to be warmer than a weak ice age, does it. I long for Climate Scientists to behave like scientists instead of like activists advancing an agenda.
agsbJune 17, 2014 12:31 am
They were wrong last year, yet yahoo gives then top billing
G. Wayne MooreJune 16, 2014 11:55 pm
So we're back to global warming again? I thought we morphed from global warming, to global climate change to global climate disruption? To the chicken-little pseudo-scientists out there; get you lie straight.
TEEJAYZJune 16, 2014 11:49 pm
As someone who lives in Los Angeles I'm kind of hoping for the wettest year ever. We've been feeling the effects of serious drought for a few years now. I don't wish ill on any other regions but we REALLY need this weather event.
nigelfJune 16, 2014 11:28 pm
williamfisher, this Canadian likes this centre right government very much. Harper and Abbott aren't about to be steamrolled by the global warming industry and any person who likes prosperity and freedom to choose has to agree. It's nice to see sanity in an otherwise climate obsessed world.
IsraelmbnJune 16, 2014 10:58 pm
I wonder what they will say at the end of the year when it runs out that the "news" about this having been the hottest year will be found to have been an exaggeration
Scott1154June 16, 2014 10:57 pm
Droughts or extreme rains. These mixed up little warming bums cannot make up their minds.
Scott1154June 16, 2014 10:55 pm
Could be the hottest. The key word is could. A giant meteor 'could' destroy the earth also.
David WrightJune 16, 2014 10:53 pm
"This year could be the hottest ever, due to the high possibility of an El Niño weather phenomenon." Wait a minute! I'm confused. I thought this was all the fault of man-made carbon emissions!?! What is the UN and Obama going to start doing about this?
mojo jojoJune 16, 2014 10:46 pm
What they should say is this...the truth: "because of the government geo-engineering the climate, the west coast can expect record high temps and drought, while the midwest and east coast experience flooding and then blame it all on the brainwashed public"
BurroJune 16, 2014 9:51 pm
It could have a beneficial effect too. Rain for the southwest for example.. Stop making this a political issue, it is really annoying. Stick to the science.
clearfogJune 16, 2014 9:49 pm
How could scientists possibly make an accurate prediction in a complex chaotic system like climate? Oh yeah, those communist New World Order grant hungry junk science computer models. And they did so almost a year in advance? How could that be? I'll have to check out WUWT and the Daily Caller; they will be able to explain this somehow.
Raymond Michael BorlandJune 16, 2014 9:42 pm
El Nino-La Nina climate changes have existed for millions of years. These scientists are just looking a a very short part of climate history to ake their speculative claims. So far the climate scienists have been wrong about every doomsday claim they have made so I will not bet my money on what they claim.
Roxanne PalmerJune 16, 2014 9:01 pm
El Nino---El stupido.
Jay SmithJune 16, 2014 8:12 pm
That's why I called Gore a High Priest. At least he knows that AGW at its core is just a religion. You should read some of the peer reviewed white papers that I have studied. Actual climate "scientists" are indeed claiming completion of the science by moving the debate from "theory" to "fact."
Solving TornadoesJune 16, 2014 7:59 pm
This article is just stupid. El Nino's are associated with heavy rain, and these frauds show a picture of a desert. For real science go here: www.solvingtornadoes.com
The TruthJune 16, 2014 7:50 pm
There is no such thing as Man Made Global Warming. We have had El Nino and La Nina for centuries. It's hot one year colder than ever this winter The temp is basically the same over last 30 years. Wake Up America it's a Fraud so the Govt can gain more control over our lives
ddJune 16, 2014 7:17 pm
NASA says that the earth hasn't warmed in 18 years. So does the IPCC. It may be time to eliminate all Democrats from politics. It seems that they can't read or can't tell the truth. Obama does neither! He has ignored his own NASA to spread the lies of Al Gore! Obama wants to get rich on your money. You might want to eliminate any Democrat you can in the next 100 years.
bernard townsendJune 16, 2014 6:29 pm
Curious about the warm water due to arrive, seems the maps are a bit out of touch with the facts. NASA, has a website that is called "Eyes on the Earth", an interactive site that shows the data gathered by satellites. the histories of warming, cooling, fluctuations in gravity, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, even changes in the ocean water temperatures, there is a tremendous amount of warm water build up to the west of the northern coast of South America, highlighted in really bright colors.
HansJune 16, 2014 6:06 pm
So does this imply global temperatures are driven by natural climate forcings, like El Nino's and La Nina's? Appears to the be the case...
AJJune 16, 2014 6:04 pm
Climatologists still haven't explained with any clarity how CO2, comprising just 0.03% of the atmosphere, has prevented heat from escaping the planet. I'm still waiting for the definitive explanation in layman's terms. As for El Nino, lets wait and see if its the hottest year on record, and where in the world this will occur.
willieJune 16, 2014 6:00 pm
or maybe not
[email protected]June 16, 2014 5:49 pm
In other words we still don't know whats going on.As far as I'm concerned ElNino and La Nina are the only driving forces for Climate.Bring them on cause the rest is Horseshit!
JimGJune 16, 2014 5:30 pm
After inaccurate predictions of "warmest year ever" or "worst hurricane season ever" for over a decade, why don't we just wait to find out? I know, if they predict a hot year every year, sooner or later it's likely to be true, but that doesn't make them weather sages, it just means they're like a broken watch that's right twice a day.
RHO1953June 16, 2014 5:29 pm
Sure. Whatever you say, asshole. There is still ice on Lake Superior. None of your predictions have come true. None of them.
melinda gladstoneJune 16, 2014 5:22 pm
Caleb Rossiter, , was apparently sacked by the Institute for Policy Studies where he was an associate fellow just two days after publishing an OpEd piece in the Wall Street Journal called “Sacrificing Africa for Climate Change,” that also claimed that climate change is an “unproved science.” Rossiter, a long-time progressive activist who stated in the editorial that he spent his entire career “on the foreign policy left,” questioned what he deemed the well-intentioned campaign for so-called climate justice. Explained Rossiter, in part: And I oppose the campaign even more for trying to deny to Africans the reliable electricity — and thus the economic development and extended years of life — that fossil fuels can bring. The left wants to stop industrialization — even if the hypothesis of catastrophic, man-made global warming is false.” If people ever say that fears of censorship for ‘climate change’ views are overblown, have them take a look at this: Just two days after I published a piece in the Wall Street Journal calling for Africa to be allowed the ‘all of the above’ energy strategy we have in the U.S., the Institute for Policy Studies terminated my 23-year relationship with them… because my analysis and theirs ‘diverge.’ I have tried to get [IPS] to discuss and explain their rejection of my analysis. When I countered a claim of ‘rapidly accelerating’ temperature change with the [UN] IPCC’s own data’, showing the nearly 20-year temperature pause –the best response I ever got was ‘Caleb, I don’t have time for this.’” Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1299796/climate-change-editorial-gets-professor-fired-from-think-tank/#OXPCMjeEGS2UaiZq.99
rodlemanJune 16, 2014 3:59 pm
China sees the writing on the wall. They are beating us. They have a plan.
george e.June 16, 2014 1:11 pm
Utter BS, the oceans are not getting more acid, only slightly less base. Why? Because the ocean bed is rock and that provides nearly infinite buffering, carbon dioxide does not harm the oceans.
Andrew FailesJune 16, 2014 8:21 am
The implication was climate scientist, but I suppose if you can't win an argument based around the actual issue and scientific knowledge you will pick out something trivial and scream victory. Pathetic.
Andrew FailesJune 16, 2014 8:20 am
Your statement just proves that you don't understand 'global warming'... Key word is Global. Ice on the great lakes is meaningless in a global context.
I call out idiotsJune 15, 2014 10:43 pm
In the eyes of all logical people.... Still you.
rodlemanJune 15, 2014 8:08 pm
They had a local food production system that was more resilient and FAR more land for far fewer people. And they had plenty of famine and pandemics anyway. It was no picnic. But, we are accelerating to temperatures MUCH higher. Things will get ugly.
rodlemanJune 15, 2014 8:05 pm
Now that is utter nonsense when you study the science of plant growth and food production. Dry soils are the key regardless of "warmth" or more CO2. or "longer growing season".
rodlemanJune 15, 2014 8:03 pm
Tell that to the Africans who are seeing record droughts and expanding deserts.
rodlemanJune 15, 2014 8:02 pm
Nonsense. Science finds your oil, produces your medicines, produces your food. Science is effective and competent. You just can't handle the reality - so, you shoot the messenger.
rodlemanJune 15, 2014 8:00 pm
Wishful thinking. Only some plants are helped by added CO2 and only within a range. They also are less nutritious. The RATE of adaption will be too great for most plants and animals (including humans).
rodlemanJune 15, 2014 7:57 pm
Droughts at record levels. Deserts are expanding. American crop insurance payouts at record levels. This is real stuff, Not just a conspiracy. Climate change is beginning to bite.
rodlemanJune 15, 2014 7:55 pm
Food prices will likely be the factor that hits developed countries in the nose first. "Adapting" will get ugly.
rodlemanJune 15, 2014 7:53 pm
Appears to be far too little..far too late. This is going to get ugly.
rodlemanJune 15, 2014 7:51 pm
I am all for climate change action but I cannot depend on Hillary. She voted FOR the Iraq War and wasted trillions of dollars and, even more precious, time.
rodlemanJune 15, 2014 7:47 pm
Al Gore is not a climate scientist. A scientist is not trained to think anything can be absolutely proven or "settled". All theories are open to reconsideration if there is compelling evidence for a new explanation.
FrankJune 15, 2014 3:31 am
Good to see a state approving a bill to benefit All of it's ppl and not just for a select few.
ClimateLearnerJune 14, 2014 10:57 am
Three hearty cheers for Abbott and Harper. There is an urgent need for calmer, more levelheaded thinking about climate policies, and it seems to me they are encouraging that.
David NevadaJune 14, 2014 9:10 am
What HASN'T climate change been connected to? They are running out of things to Blame our doom on. Desperation to scare the sheeple.
rojiJune 14, 2014 8:07 am
Obama is too busy trying to "leave a legacy of accomplishment and heroism" to be bothered with what he considers a "back burner agenda"….China willfully pollutes to continue its global economic conquest…game over!
mbee1June 14, 2014 6:49 am
I would like to point out your model line is not correct, Even the IPCC admits no warming in the last 17 years. If you look at the numbers on your own graph the temperature on average has not risen in that time. Your line is a distortion of the numbers as the actual average is flat.since about 1998. You get your tilted line by ignoring the spike and than ignoring the average since than, I could give you a tilted line all the way back to 1625, the lowest point about of the little ice age but that would ignore the medievil warm period and a whole bunch of stops in warming since 1625 such as the one from 1940 to1980. If you take any short period you can get any tilt you want by simply picking the correct start and ending points. As for the El Nino claim, what about in 100 years, 500 years, 5000 years? Again you are cherry picking and really do not know what the El Nino was 51 years ago, especially since nobody realized back than there was a El Nino or El Nina. Perhaps I should also point out the El events affect the pacific not the whole world which reciieves the same solar gain only the Els distribute it around differently in the Pacific. The IPCC model uses data only from 1951 so they can ignore all contrary temperatures which might conflict with the political model they use to extort money from the first world and put in their pockets.
mbee1June 14, 2014 6:33 am
Well it did warm a bit since 1625 in the last 400 years. What is really interesting is how did the medievil warm period and Roman optimal period occur when CO2 levels were half todays?
mbee1June 14, 2014 6:31 am
the people running the place back than did not realize the goldern trove from carbon taxes or they would have taxed firewood.
mbee1June 14, 2014 6:29 am
So the chain is talking up a storm over how climate change 1.6 degrees and currently holding for the last 17 years is making them raise prices. I am pretty sure they learned a lot from watching the gas companies at work. Storm in Asia, raise gas prices, Storm in Antartica, raise gas prices, refinery shut down for routine repairs raise prices, Hurrican, number 5 of the season raise prices, you get the picture, raise prices on any excuse even if the tanks are full at the refineries and the ships are on schedule, only lower prices a bit now and than to pretend the market is not fixed. The grocery thieves are starting to do the same thing.
BuggerthatJune 14, 2014 3:06 am
It si good to see that there are people trying to get prepared for what is coming down. If the Denialists is the U.S. had there way, this country would be helpless in the coming decades.
BuggerthatJune 14, 2014 3:03 am
Conditions were not as warm as they are now, and most certainly not as warm as the Earth is going to be. You really need a clue.
Michael STAVYJune 14, 2014 2:38 am
To download my 2013 Solar Power International paper, the user name is: SPI13 the password is: Chicago1818 I had a good time when I visited Norway in 1975. I took the Oslo Bergen Railroad and stayed a night in Flam. When (1968-74) I was in the USAR 308 Civil Affairs Group in Hyde Park (Chicago) Illinois we prepared area studies on Scandinavia. I was, therefore, familiar with Norwegian culture, economics and policy.
Michael STAVYJune 14, 2014 2:24 am
I presented my paper, "The Increase in Global Solar Power Caused by Extending the Kyoto Protocol Until 2030", at Solar Power International 2013, October 21-24, Chicago, IL USA. My paper is a counterfactual scenario that the Protocol is extended until 2030 with all the major emitters as signatories. I am preparing an updated version of my paper for the 2015 COP 21 in Paris. GO TO: http://t.co/vdCy84yvxF
rodlemanJune 13, 2014 11:55 pm
Agreed. Burning anything must stop. But, by the time we realize it, I fear it will be far too late. We will probably see some ugly stuff over the next 10 years.
rodlemanJune 13, 2014 11:31 pm
not true
rodlemanJune 13, 2014 11:30 pm
False comparison. Different food system. Current one is more vulnerable.
tmalthus2010June 13, 2014 11:18 pm
Make that 347% of food supplies. When you're making hysterical stuff up, why be timid?
Marion FosterJune 13, 2014 6:03 pm
Just more lies,and inuendos. Hillary got an 8 million dollar advance in 2000 on one of her books, her and Bill had two houses, the one they moved into was 1.5 million, and she claims they were dead broke? She lied about where her name came from, She lied about getting a denial Letter from NASA, She lied about dodging sniper fire, she lied about Bengahzi, and she is lying about Global warming meetings.
BillJune 13, 2014 5:30 pm
When it comes to denial it is your crowd that is running into reality issues. As I type this there is still large chunks of ice on the Great Lakes. Yahoo posted a Live Science article on the subject just 3 days ago.
robdammitJune 13, 2014 5:18 pm
Climate change is real and is happening, most conservative neophytes don't understand that the debate isn't over if it's real or not. The debate is whether climate change is natural or if mankind is causing it.
David GreenJune 13, 2014 5:09 pm
This is more idiotic scare mongering by the frantic warmist cult. With more CO2 and more water in the atmosphere there will be more plant life and therefore food will be more abundant. Any changes in location of productive zones will happen gradually and, like we have for thousands of years, we will adapt.
ddJune 13, 2014 4:35 pm
The Corruption of Science defines the 21st century. Liars and incompetents supported by a corrupt moronic news media will destroy knowledge. I'm surprised that the US media hasn't demanded that we destroy all science text books! They clearly support the Obama Lies!
KapundaboyJune 13, 2014 4:19 pm
It is good to read that Hilary Clinton really is concerned about Climate change. For too long, the US has been keeping their head in the sand and denying the truth of Climate change because of those with huge vested interests in Hydrocarbon fuels ie .. Oil, Coal and Natural Gas. Even if Climate Change was not happening because of Human activities, the evidence for the warming of the Oceans and its acidification is worrying enough.The USA has to wake up to the fact the Economy and the Environment must be considered together. They are inseparable, for Humans to think we can take what Nature will throw at us from a Climate gone haywire is just crazy. To continue on the same old path is simply not possible. The USA has spent a fortune in the middle east because of the Oil there to maintain its continued supply. If it spent the same sums of money to develop a Solar / Hydrogen based Economy in the USA it would boom and the US would not have to worry about Oil and where it is coming from.. This 21 st Century fuel source would stimulate all areas of the Economy and the conversion to Hydrogen in a big way would clean up the environment, with cleaner air and in the longer term reduce fuel costs over the entire County with lower costs of mass Hydrogen generation. There would need to be a massive amount of money spent to develop the infrastructure and the technology for hydrogen usage, but its benefits long term would be enormous...
BuggerBuggerthatBuggerJune 13, 2014 3:33 pm
I would say that with all the regulations being put in place to combat so called Global Warming, the food supply will obviously be impacted -- A Billion deaths Worldwide thru starvation minimum -- Nothing to do with increased temperatures at all
Jay SmithJune 13, 2014 3:21 pm
No, I'm pretty sure they do claim it's 100% settled. Warmie High Priest Gore will back me on that one.
fred smithJune 13, 2014 2:59 pm
A warmer climate, a longer growing season. More food available. Reduced world hunger. Seems nothing will EVER make liberals happy except staying in power at any cost to the rest of us.
Science OfficerJune 13, 2014 2:09 pm
Odd, civilizations thrived during the Medieval Warm and the Roman Optimal Periods, under conditions warmer than we're now trying to desperately avoid. Wonder what they knew back then, which we seem to have forgotten.
Snoot MagruderJune 13, 2014 11:57 am
Taking into consideration that all the previous predictions by the global warming wacko's have failed, why should we believe this?
KayJune 13, 2014 5:00 am
The seas have been rising gently since the last ice-age. Also, Kiribati is sinking as are all similar islands (such as the Hawaiian chain) due to the weight of the underlying volcanic base.
williamfisherJune 13, 2014 2:28 am
Climate change is real but maybe not so apparent in an air conditioned government building or media empire head quarters.
williamfisherJune 13, 2014 2:24 am
What do canadians think about their centre right government?
williamfisherJune 13, 2014 2:22 am
On behalf of responsible Australians ( most of us are ) I wish to appoligize for the stupidity and ignorance of our Prime Minister. Mr Abbott is finding it increasingly difficult to find any one to take him seriously. ( There is however Mr Murdock but he is not Australian anymore )
DougMovedIn67June 13, 2014 2:13 am
"Do you think every scientist in the world" good one!!! who's stupid now?
Randy MillerJune 12, 2014 8:44 pm
Time to spend some money on our own country for a change. Sadly I won't be holding my breath. http://bit.ly/1i2Zx8l
rodlemanJune 12, 2014 8:27 pm
I don't know if climate change or fukushima is worse for them.
jaffa99June 12, 2014 4:09 pm
Oh, is that the "strongest El Nino event of the previous 50 years" that wasn't predicted by ANY climate model? Yet we're supposed to make huge financial decisions based on those same models. As for "cherry-picking", yes I guess I "cherry-picked" the last 18 years, the most recent 18 years, the 18 years where the warming (which was predicted to be accelerating) would be highest - but it isn't - it is non-existent. So again the models are falsified. But it's not about warming, warming and cooling cycles are quite normal. Alarmists need to show the warming is both unusual and has negative impact to justify their demands for changes that negatively affect people lives. There is no proof that the modest warming over the past 100 years is unnatural and there's abundant evidence that it's actually beneficial. In my experience warmists are either fools or liars - which are you?
Andrew FailesJune 12, 2014 3:55 pm
There is no debate on the subject. There is an overwhelming consensus. You are just screaming that the earth is flat like an idiot. The only debate amongst the scientific community (of which you are not a part of, otherwise you would know this) is to how quickly and how devastating the impact will be. It all depends on feedback mechanisms and tipping points now. Try learning the science instead of reading journalism and arguing from a point of view that's ideologically based rather than scientifically.
Andrew FailesJune 12, 2014 3:50 pm
You don't know what you're talking about. We came out of the Late Glacial Maximum ca. 13,000-10,000 years ago, warmed and reached relative stability. The current global mean temperature (GMT) is above the temperature peak associated with the forcing imposed on the climate system when we came out of the last ice age. Do you think every scientist in the world just forgot to take into account the last glacial maximum? Are you really that brainwashed and stupid? We are in no way naturally warming up. Stop reading journalism and learn the science instead, look up orbital forcing (Milankovith Cycles). This is the only way you will actually begin to understand climate change as it's clear to anyone who has studied this at even a basic level that you don't.. There is an overwhelming consensus amongst the scientific community that you are ignoring based on ideological preference. That's just plain stupid and it is obvious to anyone in this field or related fields that you don't know what you're talking about. If the climate had been allowed to follow it's natural rhythm we would be heading into another glacial maximum in a bit over 10,000 years time... thus we actually should be starting to cool around now, not warm up.
José Truda Palazzo Jr.June 12, 2014 2:49 pm
Abbott should try gaining supportg from the corrupt, fascist regime in power here in Brazil - they are bribed by the coal and oil lobbies and are actively boycotting any global agreements on climate.
rodlemanJune 12, 2014 2:44 pm
I agree with "bold govt action" but not sure desal plants are best. About 70% of water is used by agricutlture - that needs to be the focus. Desal will cause food prices to skyrocket. And unless energy for desal comes from renewables, it is all for nothing.
rodlemanJune 12, 2014 2:25 pm
Not settled but now enormously compelling. To not act at this level of probability is next to criminal.
rodlemanJune 12, 2014 2:22 pm
Again, science deals in probabilities and is open to new information. But, the compelling evidence on climate change is now overwhelming. We are in big trouble.
rodlemanJune 12, 2014 2:09 pm
Short term greed now = long term suffering in the not-too-distant-future.
rodlemanJune 12, 2014 2:01 pm
Thanks for your comment. The IPCC did not say Warming stopped. Warming continues. Satellites observe this net heat gain occurring year after year. Avg Global Temps will go spike, dip and go "flat" as positive and negative forcings stack up differently. Looking at anything less than a 30-60 year trend on AGT is pretty much useless unless there an enormous change. Its all about the long term trend. Short term AGT values are NOT a good indicator of global warming magnitude or rate of change.
rodlemanJune 12, 2014 1:53 pm
No they do not claim "completeness". High probablity on some things. Science deals in probablities.
GoldFishJune 12, 2014 1:42 pm
Don't be ashamed. It's not just Australia. Every country has them. But please keep fighting them, for all our sakes. Canada's PM Harper is even worse than Abbott. He actually appointed a Creationist as Federal Minister of Science and Technology.
Thomas AlbertJune 12, 2014 1:18 pm
Nature's sink hole
siquijorislandJune 12, 2014 9:54 am
there are ten new coal burning power plants in Germany?
Ben GhazyJune 11, 2014 11:12 pm
Love this comment !!!!! That's exactly what the problem is. But it is much lucrative to build up scary forecasts than to talk about trash.
noahharrisJune 11, 2014 8:56 pm
Bold action is the name of the game. Disregard the nay sayers and the energy mafia and just start building up a solar infrastructure. In a decade the idea of burning coal will be right up there with burning witches. In twenty years the idea of burning anything will be suspect.
grantJune 11, 2014 8:32 pm
if co2 truly is the culprit, then why don't they seed the oceans with iron? It's cheap, quick, very effective and has been tested. It will eliminate huge amounts of co2. They can calculate how much to seed based on how much additional co2 they want to get rid of. If the warming is the cause of man, then this will reverse things, if man is not the cause, this won't do anything but clean the air.
Plug199June 11, 2014 6:21 pm
We are as doomed as these islands if Hans & Rick Charles etc are any way to judge humanity. Not only do they dismiss the concept that these islands are people's homes, but also dismiss the idea of climate change and global warming. I assume they have merely been listening to the deniers paid for by the energy corporations etc, if they are not shill for them themselves. Do a little research, you'll find that 97%+ of climate scientists agree that global warming is a fact and that human activity, whilst not the only cause, is certainly increasing the effect. Those 3% who deny it are mostly allied/financed/employed by corporations whose interests are in maintaining the myth of fossil fuel suitability for the future. All I can say is I hope you live in Florida or another such low-lying area and will one day lose your homes in the same manner that those poor islanders you so unfeelingly dismiss. Where is your humanity? And where is your reason and intelligence?
KnightBiologistJune 11, 2014 6:21 pm
Another reason I'm proud of my heritage. Jeg blev født i København! Denmark is largely atheist and agnostic which makes the previous comment all the more ridiculous.
agsbJune 11, 2014 6:05 pm
Who is to get the carbon if it is $10/ton? I don't want it. If it is so bad to nature, why is all life carbon based in our nature!
Jim WrightJune 11, 2014 5:02 pm
The UK is now part of the Socialist Communist block!
TruGhost OfBoJune 11, 2014 3:34 pm
Executive order #000000 Barack Obama is now Doctor of America...
aldoniusJune 11, 2014 2:34 pm
As an Aussie, I'm so sorry. Good news is that this government should be gone next election or the one following (so 2-5 years). They got in mostly through dislike of our other major party, and have steadily proceeded to enact austerity-lite policies.
TomJune 11, 2014 1:29 pm
The downside of Wind and solar is, high cost to build, high cost to maintain, low output, Ugly to the environment, and dangerous to wildlife. The real answer is the giant waterwheel., low cost to build, low cost to maintain. high output, Water fed by hidden pipes to the wheel from a higher elevation simply goes back into the river or stream. no damage to fish or wildlife. This system works 24 hours a day, 365 days a year for hundreds of years. and the Wheel plant itself, because of its unique design, like the London eye, will become a tourist attraction drawing people from around the world to see it, thus creating many new jobs in construction, hotels, restaurants etc. Its the only system I know of that if built properly will serve us and our grandchildren for years to come. Click on wheelelecricity .com for full information on this possible project.
Dr Graham LovellJune 11, 2014 9:45 am
It is sad that the IPCC have not moved from micro-climate modelling to macro-climate modelling. Moving from micro to macro modelling was the innovation in economics, introduced by Keynes, that allowed the modern science of economics (flawed though it is in other directions) to be able to use fiscal stimulus and monetary management to mitigate the impact of mistakes and misjudgements made by economic players. If the IPCC had adopted macro-climate modelling they would have been able to demonstrate that there is a direct and predictable relationship between increases in GHGs and the average global temperature. And they would have been able to do this without the usual mantra "believe the science." This is because it would have been obvious to everyone who knows that a R-squared on a regression analysis of 0.90 represents a very good explanation of the variability in the data. Instead of adopting macro-climate modelling we are back in the equivalent of the days of Hayek, who believed that the economy was too difficult to model, and rejected Keynes' innovation in economics. So also, climate scientists are currently arguing that much of the warming is going into the oceans, since they are tied up in knots trying to explain the last 16 years of data. It is not difficult to carry out this kind of analysis, using publically available data. e.g. http://australiancarbonprice.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/testing-ghg-warming-hypothesis.html In addition, if the IPCC had done this kind of analysis they would not be talking about a 2C increase at 450 ppm of CO2: they would have a quantifiable result, with a definable range of possible errors. Since 450 ppm of CO2 is likely to result in a 1.2C increase in global average temperature (assuming that the other GHGs are also managed properly), the President of Kiribati might have more hope for the future. It will not be easy for Kiribati, as President Tong is right: most of the damage has already been done. But has he really been well served by the IPCC?
Dr Graham LovellJune 11, 2014 8:50 am
Each country is in a different situation, and each needs to respond according to their own perceptions and ability. On this basis, Finland is to be commended for striking out so boldly, even if they have got a head start with nuclear energy and abundant hydro. Rather than calling upon others to duplicate Finland's plan, for those interested in advocating change in this area, our energy should be put into encouraging national action on GHG emissions, and not on chasing an international agreement that will inevitably be frustrated at every turn. As the EU and the USA has demonstrated, it is possible to take action on CO2 emissions without an international agreement. So, let us get on with it. The IEA goal of a limit of 450 ppm for the CO2 atmospheric levels is achievable, if each country gets on with the task of reducing its own emissions. If we are able to keep CO2 down to 450 ppm, it is likely that we will also be able to hold the average global temperature increase to 1.2 °C. http://australiancarbonprice.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/iea-450-scenario-and-12-c-increase-in.html This will be troublesome for some, but it should not be catastrophic for the world.
TeuriJune 11, 2014 6:36 am
All of you make these unnecessary negative comments and maybe it is easy for you to do so because you are not there to witness the heartbreak of not being able to do anything about your home land. Have a little more compassion for all these island nations suffering. God Bless all of you.
tmalthus2010June 11, 2014 5:23 am
But I'll bet a few boatloads of cash will make things just fine, right?
Kateia KaikaiJune 11, 2014 5:00 am
Money is not a solution to the impacts of climate change. It is one's change of heart and attitude and to become considerate of the future generations and earth.
José Truda Palazzo Jr.June 11, 2014 4:47 am
In the meantime, the Brazilian fascist regime boycotts a global climate agreement by dragging its feet with subterfuges, subsidizes coal and oil, destroys public transport in cities to boost car sales for corporations that bribe the ruling party, and lets forest destruction continue unabated despite fake official statistics to the contrary. The World Cup of Corruption's greenwashing is just one more lie in this billions-dollar scam stealing from actual Brazilian needs and true environmental management.
Meg AlvarezJune 11, 2014 2:37 am
Yes, I'm. In Florida.
DougMovedIn67June 11, 2014 2:17 am
These low information leaders and followers have to research that there are thousands of year old settlements under sea level located on the ancient land bridge from Alaska to Russia and along the coast of Iran, etc. We are still coming out of the last ice age and the sea level will continue to rise. Trying to stop it is the most idiotic plan civilization has conjured up and its amazing there are that many low information followers that parrot the bovine excrement like they know what they are talking about.
VivKayJune 11, 2014 1:23 am
As populations grow exponentially and people migrate to cities, the green house gasses feed back into the atmosphere, exacerbating climate change. It's a cycle of growth, increasing temperatures and extreme weather, and more use of power. Until there's an energy revolution, the cycle won't be broken.
YomommaJune 10, 2014 11:47 pm
The right wing is blinded by their hate for Obama. The GOP base are holding America back. Only 25% of Americans doubt climate change.
sniperbait66June 10, 2014 11:13 pm
I'm sorry, atolls are nothing more than bits of coral and sand waiting to sink into the Ocean. Move to a stable landmass and stop whining. Even Hawaii is SINKING, although it will take decades longer than your Atoll's demise. Sayanora.
MattJune 10, 2014 10:26 pm
Hans, you are a complete idiot! Atolls do not rise and fall. Pacific sea levels have risen 12 mm per year since 1993, until 2009, the last year available for such data. That's equal to an sea level rise of 8" in 16 years, and if you think that won't inundate islands that are only 4' above sea level, there's a sanitarium somewhere waiting to take you in.
NewtonJune 10, 2014 10:06 pm
Yes we are not affected by storm, earthquake, but we are affected by lack of fresh water caused by climate change. We have a large of reserve of fund in the World Bank so we do not need billions of dollars foreign countries but we need to buy a new land from foreign countries....so wait and see....
NewtonJune 10, 2014 10:00 pm
Climate change is not only about rising level, but it is also cause flood, wild fire, earthquake, storm, cyclone that had cost millions of life across Asia, Europe, America, Africa and the Pacific....Climate change is also affecting people in China and USA
Truth TellerJune 10, 2014 8:51 pm
You don't even know what the heck you are babbling about!
Truth TellerJune 10, 2014 8:50 pm
And just how much are the Koch brothers paying YOU to put our planet in peril all for their profit?? What a fool you are, babbling nonsense like that!!
Edward J WoodJune 10, 2014 8:39 pm
Try to stay with me on this: carbon...dioxide...is...NOT...pollution. Carbon dioxide is not toxic, not a poison, it occurs naturally. Every breath you exhale is loaded with carbon dioxide. Plants need it to grow. There are no health benefits to trapping carbon dioxide. No, none, zero.
BillJune 10, 2014 8:36 pm
I made a post in here that wasn't favorable to the global warming crowd and it was marked as spam. That so typifies the whole "debate" on the subject, all is settled and silence the dissenters. Pathetic.
RedJune 10, 2014 7:43 pm
Obama needs to stop being a community organizer and start being a leader.
greenspaceJune 10, 2014 7:36 pm
Pretty disingenuous to use pictures of LA smog when writing about CO2, or about coal-fired power plants. CO2 is colorless, odorless, and doesn't form or contribute to smog. And there are no coal-fired plants anywhere near LA. Let's keep it real, ok?
jack daleJune 10, 2014 6:11 pm
Nice cherry picking there. Like no one would notice that your time frame gives inordinate emphasis to the strongest El Nino event of the previous 50 years. 2 decades of warming
Rick CharlesJune 10, 2014 4:58 pm
How much did the global warming minions pay you to become a global warming lapdog???
Alberto KnoxJune 10, 2014 4:41 pm
but there is still something that can be done for us and billions of others. the longer we wait to take action the more drastic those actions will be and the more they will hurt the economy.
Mike_HohmannJune 10, 2014 2:43 pm
Well, in any case, Climate is and Climate does its climate thing, and we have thermometers to measure the facts – and as Alexius Meinong reminds us: “Truth is a purely human construct, but facts are eternal.” So I thought hmmm…, temperature arises from the zeroeth law of thermodynamics and all the rest is nothing but energy shovelling around. What happens, therefore, if I try measuring ‘Climate’ in energy terms, like kWh or joule? I tried, with the result at http://cleanenergypundit.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/eating-sun-fourth-estatelondon-2009.html . I think we simply should take King Canute more seriously. On the way there, I thought I have a look at how best to keep a level head myself in this Orwellian Newspeak age we’re in. Might be worth a look: http://cleanenergypundit.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/brainology-101-midwives-hold-thenewborn.html
HansJune 10, 2014 2:26 pm
Yeah, you're right. Let's send his impoverished country a few billion dollars to help mitigate a non-problem. Dude, your nation consists for atolls. They rise and sink with sea level changes as coral & sand will build up and raise the islands with increasing sea levels and visa versa when they decline. That's science, not victim-hood...stop lying!
Jon PJune 10, 2014 2:18 pm
I have been to the Maldives. Didn't see any evidence of "rising seas", but saw lots of evidence of man altering the islands to their detriment.
BIll TestonJune 10, 2014 1:41 pm
Yeah, start packing. At the current rate of rise, (or is your island system sinking and/or dissolving from within like Hawaii?) You have about 100 years to get off. Better Hurry.
BuggerthatJune 10, 2014 12:44 pm
It was sad watching President Tong's interview on CNN as he stated it was already too late for his country, there is nothing that can be done for them.
JimKJune 10, 2014 12:00 pm
They're not "your" islands, sir; they are Earth's islands. And mother nature is constantly changing. So when it's time for them to go, no amount of wealth transfer can stop it.
jaffa99June 10, 2014 11:49 am
Seems odd that Denmark are legislating for what is essentially a religion. Clearly the ecofacists are well ingrained. No warming for 18 years and counting.
Thomas AlbertJune 10, 2014 10:28 am
Ever have that sinking feeling?
LanaJune 10, 2014 1:01 am
Consider the media reaction to Fukishima compared to the the Soma Coal Mining Disaster in Turkey... In Fukishima, 2011, a major earthquake causes a tsunami to cause a nuclear accident. Nobody is killed as a result. There might be a 4-7% increase in cancer risk in nearby populations, less than the risk of smoking. The reaction: The EU's largest economy, Germany, half way across the world and in an area not even vulnerable to earthquakes, decides to shut down its entire fleet of nuclear power stations and replace them with coal power stations, leading their emissions to increase in 2013 despite spending billions on renewable energy. In Soma, Turkey, 2014, a huge explosion at a coal mine causes a mine fire, more than 700 workers are trapped in the mine, many dying from carbon monoxide poisoning, hundreds of bodies are pulled from the rumble with 301 workers confirmed dead, 1 reportedly 15 years old. It's not an isolation incident, the year before (2013) 95 people died in Turkish mines, and another 78 died the year before that. The reaction: No reaction, countries across the world continue using coal power plants. In fact, Germany is building 10 new coal power plants in the next 2 years.
LagesJune 9, 2014 2:47 pm
Its an OPEN goal
Getachew, A PhD student at AAUJune 8, 2014 4:22 pm
As it is mentioned in the discussion above, the issue of land degradation is becoming a threat for people who are especially living at the sub-Saharan Africa. People are cutting and clearing forest for additional agricultural land to meet their food security. However, this is really at the expense of the environmental resources disturbing the normal functioning of the ecosystem. Thus, we need to do something on land today to save ourselves and next generation from a very serious environmental challenges that will come. "We need to start acting on it in collaboration" If not, the one I mentioned above will be inevitable!!!
Tony PeartJune 8, 2014 3:34 pm
Give a reference please . I would like to read this statement for myself.
rodlemanJune 8, 2014 1:45 pm
Who won't try to manipulate? China has more incentive than most to stop fossil fuel burning. Their air pollution is terrible.
Jay SmithJune 8, 2014 11:42 am
@lemon: You wrote an inconvenient truth (for many) and that was my point. It's the Warmies and Changies who are making the claims of absolute scientific completeness thus precluding any possibility of statistical anomalies or natural processes being responsible for any empirical temperature variations.
VmJune 8, 2014 12:32 am
finland has at least 4 nuclear reactors that supply like 30% of their power
jmokeJune 7, 2014 6:55 pm
Yes Rod that is true
QuasimodoJune 7, 2014 5:49 pm
A little curious Rod Leman that the gurus of Climate Change say constantly that it is settled science, and you defy them by claiming that, "Science is never complete". So it isn't complete, but it is settled? So the IPCC itself admits in the 5th Assessment that there has been no warming since 1997, but you claim it continues to warm. So how does something change that stays the same? What you see here are illogical fallacies and equivocations. Anyone who can't see that is either profoundly intellectually incompetent, or profoundly intellectually dishonest!
JayMaseJune 7, 2014 5:23 pm
The imaginary $.10/watt thin film stuff?
Ray Del ColleJune 7, 2014 2:44 am
"97 percent of top climate scientists and every major National Academy of Science agree that man-made carbon pollution is warming our climate." http://clmtr.lt/c/Ify0cd0cMJ
John HartshornJune 7, 2014 1:58 am
Great news! These reductions match the consensus recommendations for what is required to keep warming below 2 degrees C, which is the best estimate for the warming that will result from an atmospheric CO2 level of 450 PPM. As we are now at 400 PPM and rising at a rate of almost 1 PPM a year, which will continue to grow until China caps and starts to reduce their emissions in about a decade, we have no time to spare. Finland has been a leader in reductions and this signifies a formal acceptance, possibly the first by a government body, of the expert consensus as an official target. This is a long-term problem that requires immediate action so Finland's pledge, combined with the US EPA ordered reduction in power plant emissions of 30% by 2030, comes at a propitious moment, ahead of the tough work of hammering out a way forward for the 2015 International agreement that should provide a framework for effective control of greenhouse gases globally. The time for debating is past, now we need more bold actions such as this one.
Andreas GeorgeJune 6, 2014 7:52 pm
Every country should have a goal like this.
rodlemanJune 6, 2014 7:02 pm
Agreed.
rodlemanJune 6, 2014 5:15 pm
agreed
rodlemanJune 6, 2014 4:43 pm
Antarctic weather is complicated. Science is complicated. The warming ocean creates more snow fall. This causes more surface ice. But, the warmer ocean is undercutting the ice shelves, causing them to fracture. Eventually, the heating will lower total ice volume.
rodlemanJune 6, 2014 4:39 pm
Natural forcings over a much longer period of time. This time it is US.
rodlemanJune 6, 2014 4:21 pm
Warming continues; arctic sea ice, ocean temps. Avg global temp has ups and downs but trend is UP.
GuestJune 6, 2014 3:43 pm
Those unaccepting about the climate science below really need to learn more about SCIENCE if they value the intellectual honesty of their views.
rodlemanJune 6, 2014 3:36 pm
Yes, millions of years ago it had alligators. Of course, much of the rest of the planet was uninhabitable!
rodlemanJune 6, 2014 3:31 pm
Earth most definitely is continuing to warm. Arctic ice melt, ocean temp rise. Avg global temps will have ups and downs but the trend is UP. The temp in an ice-laden area will not change while the ice is melting due to more heat (latent heat of phase change). There are lag times in temperature.....but that does not mean heating is not occurring.
rodlemanJune 6, 2014 2:51 pm
There are libraries of observations and compelling evidence. Denial is deadly.
rodlemanJune 6, 2014 2:44 pm
Science is never "complete".
Rod LemanJune 6, 2014 2:18 pm
This is about a changed biosphere. Suffering and death.
Rod LemanJune 6, 2014 2:16 pm
Your premise that climate science was ever said to be "complete" is false. Science is never "complete".
QuasimodoJune 6, 2014 9:43 am
Spokesmen for scientists say that recent analysis shows that water vapor, 40% of all atmospheric molecular composition, is a major cause of man made global warming. The threat of water being outlawed has resulted in lawsuits by the Shrimp Preservation Action Conservation League, or SPACL. This crisis is only out-weighed by the contributions of Oxygen, which the IPCC says is settled science! But do to conflicting solution approaches, it is currently speculated that breathing will not be outlawed, only taxed!
jmokeJune 6, 2014 4:36 am
Well at one time recently Greenland was a lush green grass habitat. Which proves that today's modern climate scientists are total dolts!
ddJune 6, 2014 3:59 am
Yes, new evidence that shows that CO2 isn't the issue. CO2 has been increasing and US Satellite data says the earth hasn't warmed in 17 years. The earth is "warming" do some other gas! When will the media latch onto the truth. The hypothesis of man-made global warming via the models has been proven false by 20 years of data!
Jay SmithJune 5, 2014 1:11 pm
NEW "greenhouse" gasses contributing to anthropomorphic global warming and/or climate change? HOLD THE PRESSES! Is this a tacit admission that the "complete science" of AGW and/or climate change is not quite as "complete" as we have been told? I mean after all, how can NEW causes be found when the science is already complete??
Climate HomeJune 5, 2014 11:50 am
Yes- we published an analysis on the US climate laws today. Unlikely, as you say, to make a huge difference on their own > http://www.rtcc.org/2014/06/05/obama-climate-plan-will-deliver-only-a-quarter-of-pledged-2030-cuts/
AlexRandallUKCCMCJune 5, 2014 11:42 am
There are actually several other climate impacts that make life there harder, whether or not the islands are growing or shrinking: more frequent and server storms, salination of fresh water and coral bleaching. Also the article points out that movement from islands states to other countries is one among many kinds of migration and displacement linked to climate change - most of which are not influenced by sea level rise.
AlexRandallUKCCMCJune 5, 2014 11:36 am
Perhaps but many people from Kiribati (and other Pacific islands) want to move to NZ and Australia because they already have family, friends and connections there.
BRUCERUBINJune 5, 2014 11:05 am
What about the unending gasses spewing from all the corrupt politicians!!
William R. MosbyJune 5, 2014 3:24 am
Siberia would be a perfect destination. Very sparsely populated and warming would probably benefit the place. Somebody get Vladimir Vladimirovich on the phone.
Raymond Michael BorlandJune 5, 2014 2:35 am
The three new compounds are equivalent to approximately 105,000 tons to 130,000 tons of CO2. CO2 emissions were 34 BILLION tons in 2011. This is like the effect of peeing in the ocean.
Philip TondiJune 5, 2014 1:24 am
God help us
Nicci AngelosJune 5, 2014 12:01 am
This is all about redistribution of wealth. Nothing more. Wasn't East Anglia where "climate gate" originated?
glennkJune 4, 2014 9:29 pm
Its all going to start melting soon. The oceans will rise and far worse things will start to happen after Mother gives off one huge belch in the Arctic and fills the atmosphere with fossil methane from the melting permafrost soils and from the release of massive amounts of gas from the methane hydrates on the sea bed in that region. Temps. on Earth will soar as they have in the past when similar situations happened. The source of the atmospheric carbon that starts this feedback loop isn't really all that important , but the chemistry sure is. Man or Nature caused, once in the air massive amounts of CO2, Methane among other greenhouse gases are going to warm things up for a very long time to come.
PsalmonJune 4, 2014 4:35 pm
Excellent plan. How you going to run all those desalination plants without electricity? Any idea how many you need and how many megawatts? It's going to get interesting when there is no coal, oil or gas; All water is dumped to the sea for endangered fish; There's no food; We've invested all our money in desalination plants we can't run; There's no water; And you've successfully created a massive crisis. When do you get to the part about human sacrifices and population reductions (aka genocide)?
Robin_GuenierJune 4, 2014 2:29 pm
Thanks, Ed - a useful comment. And the Chinese journalists' story is especially interesting. But the plans of the Chinese government are always a mystery - sometimes even after they've been announced! In any case, it seems to me that this story, as originally reported, didn't really amount to all that much: emissions were still "likely to grow until 2030", as you say it was not clear at what level the cap would be set and it all depended on various assumptions. It was all rather vague. Incidentally, it seems to me that the US announcement is unlikely to be seen as particularly positive in an international context. Even if the new policy is wholly successful, it would reduce US emissions by only about 7.7 percent on 1990 levels: http://www.popularresistance.org/obama-power-plant-plan-doesnt-cut-carbon-pollution-quickly-enough/. But, as you've reported, the developing economies are demanding that the developed world cut emissions (on 1990 levels) by 40%: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/03/06/china-demands-rich-countries-make-40-carbon-cuts-by-2020/ PS: I very much appreciate RTCC's clear reporting of these key international policy issues. It's an area not much covered elsewhere on the web - too often focused on fruitless squabbles about the "science".
Robin_GuenierJune 4, 2014 2:18 pm
See my reply to "Guest" below.
Climate HomeJune 4, 2014 1:58 pm
Hi - we have amended article to reflect the amendments, but I'm not sure it's accurate to say the Chinese govt has no plans. As we understand He Jiankun is an influential advisor and unlikely to have talked of a carbon cap unless one was being discussed at high levels. Interestingly, Chinese journalists say he mentioned this in March, but only to a domestic audience, which apparently seemed unsurprised at the comments. Ed King, RTCC
Kevin McGrathJune 4, 2014 11:54 am
So this is where the lemmings go?
jack_hocJune 4, 2014 5:34 am
No one stops USA to do the same.,,,Are you jealous or feeling pity?
Bob BinghamJune 4, 2014 3:03 am
We did refuse this man and his family but as a protectorate Kiribati would have a better case for the whole nation. Most islands in the Pacific are part of a larger countries territorial area and it may be that part of that responsibility would be to accommodate the citizens when their island goes under.
Robin_GuenierJune 3, 2014 8:50 pm
As Andy Revkin (NYT) has reported (http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/behind-the-mask-a-reality-check-on-chinas-plans-for-a-carbon-cap/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0), Reuters' report was mistaken. Here's what He Jiankin has now said: "It’s not the case that the Chinese government has made any decision. This is a suggestion from experts, because now they are exploring how emissions can be controlled in the 13th Five Year Plan…. This is a view of experts; that’s not saying it’s the government’s. I’m not a government official and I don’t represent the government." In other words and contrary to the headline, the Chinese government has no plans to cap its CO2 emissions.
Robin_GuenierJune 3, 2014 8:40 pm
Guest: for some mysterious reason, my reply to this post seems not to have survived moderation. So here's the essence of it: First go here: http://report.mitigation2014.org/drafts/final-draft-postplenary/ipcc_wg3_ar5_final-draft_postplenary_technical-summary.pdf As you'll see, it's the Technical Summary of WG3 from the most recent IPCC Report (AR5). Then go to Figure TS.2 on page 13 and look at the RH Panel of the top category. The OECD (much more than your US+EU) is the blue block: assuming the IPCC scientists got it right, it was responsible for less than 50% of CUMULATIVE CO2 emissions (all sources) from 1750 - 2010.
JC CorcoranJune 3, 2014 6:39 pm
"A 1% reduction in world-wide meat intake has the same benefit as a three trillion-dollar investment in solar energy." ~ Chris Mentzel, CEO of Clean Energy "As environmental science has advanced, it has become apparent that the human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future: deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities, and the spread of disease." Worldwatch Institute, "Is Meat Sustainable?" “If every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetables and grains... the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than half a million cars off of U.S. roads.” Environmental Defense Fund If Al Gore can do it, you can too! Step by Step Guide: How to Transition to a Vegan Diet http://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/step-by-step-guide-how-to-transition-to-vegan-diet/
James Fenimore CooperJune 3, 2014 6:08 pm
They say it is a hoax for political cover for their prime loyalty to Big Oil and Coal. The "hoax" charge is a smoke screen.
James Fenimore CooperJune 3, 2014 6:06 pm
Are you kidding? Republicans say "no" before Obama finishes asking. Republicans first loyalty is to Big Oil and Coal, not to out children and grandchildren, and America.
James Fenimore CooperJune 3, 2014 6:01 pm
Republicans want to protect their Big Fossil fuel funders more than protecting America. The military speaks the truth, Republicans want to silence them. Is what the Republicans are doing Treason?
James Fenimore CooperJune 3, 2014 5:50 pm
We just can't get it through our heads, mankind has made a fundamental change in the thin atmosphere surrounding our planet by escalating use of coal, oil, gas and other CO2 emitting substances. Ice and snow in the Arctic have melted affecting world air currents and weather. Escalating Western drought was predicted by UC Santa Cruz researchers ten years ago. Now they say it will get worse. This drought is essentially permanent. California is going to be a very different place ten years from now. Bold government action like building massive desalination plants on our ocean coast is missing. Hang on folks, it's going to get interesting.
SayWhatJune 3, 2014 4:37 pm
"Climate scientists have expressed surprise at findings that many low-lying Pacific islands are growing, not sinking. Islands in Tuvalu, Kiribati and the Federated States of Micronesia are among those which have grown, largely due to coral debris, land reclamation and sediment. The findings, published in the magazine New Scientist, were gathered by comparing changes to 27 Pacific islands over the last 20 to 60 years using historical aerial photos and satellite images. Auckland University’s Associate Professor Paul Kench, a member of the team of scientists, says the results challenge the view that Pacific islands are sinking due to rising sea levels associated with climate change. “Eighty per cent of the islands we’ve looked at have either remained about the same or, in fact, gotten larger,” he said. “Some of those islands have gotten dramatically larger, by 20 or 30 per cent. “We’ve now got evidence the physical foundations of these islands will still be there in 100 years.” http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/09/kiribati-on-the-move-not-sinking/
mapsguy1955June 3, 2014 4:17 pm
We need to spend the money, but the truth is that the IEA target is probably too high. Prices will decrease as production ramps up. We don't get second chances with any potential extinction events. If greed wasn't a factor, there would not be any question of what we need to do.
JohnJune 3, 2014 1:29 pm
There is no such thing as "catastrophic" global warming. There is zero scientific evidence of "catastrophic". Yes the globe has warmed 0.8c the last 100 years due to the Atlantic & Pacific Decadal Oscillation cycle changes & due to increase in atmospheric C02. Right now it seems warming was due more to the natural forcing than extra C02. One reason I say that is the fact that we are in a 17yr 8mth "hiatus" or "warming pause" that looks to be tied mostly to the Pacific Decadal Oscillation flipping to it's negative, cool 25 yr cycle. The pause has occurred while atmospheric C02 has increased drastically during the same time frame. The hiatus is acknowledged by the IPCC AR-5 report: “. . .the hiatus is attributable, in roughly equal measure, to a decline in the rate of increase in effective radiative forcing (ERF) and a cooling contribution from internal variability (expert judgment,medium confidence). The decline in the rate of increase in ERF is primarily attributed to natural (solar and volcanic) forcing but there is low confidence in quantifying the role of forcing trend in causing the hiatus, because of uncertainty in the magnitude of the volcanic forcing trend and low confidence in the aerosol forcing trend.” (AR5 Chapter 11) #2 reason is that many things that are pointed too as due to C02 increase have happened before during Pacific & Atlantic Decadal cycle changes A. THE ARCTIC was as warm or warmer during the 1920's & 30's as it is today...per IPCC AR-5: “Arctic temperature anomalies in the 1930s were apparently as large as those in the 1990s and 2000s. There is still considerable discussion of the ultimate causes of the warm temperature anomalies that occurred in the Arctic in the 1920s and 1930s.” (AR5 Chapter 10) B. SEA LEVEL RISE was as great or greater from 1920-1950 as it is now...per IPCC AR-5: “It is very likely that the mean rate of global averaged sea level rise was 1.7 [1.5 to 1.9] mm yr between 1901 and 2010, 2.0 [1.7 to 2.3] mm yr between 1971 and 2010 and 3.2 [2.8 to 3.6] mm yr between 1993 and 2010.It is likely that similarly high rates occurred between 1920 and 1950.” (AR5 SPM) C. EXTREME EVENTS....there is no evidence whatsoever that any climate events have or are occurring outside historical natural variation: -TORNADOES....strong to violent EF-3 or greater were more numerous from 1954-1974....per NOAA data. Go check it out yourself on NOAA tornado page. -HURRICANES....have not increased at all the last 30 years. In fact hurricanes...especially during the 1950's where more in number & intensity in the U.S. than today. In the 1950's the East Coast was slammed with 9 hurricanes, 4 of which were major -ACE (accumulated cyclonic energy) is currently lower than levels in the early 1970's -DROUGHTS...were much more numerous in the 1930's & 50's than today. -HEAT WAVES...in the U.S. were greater in number & intensity in the 1930's than today...per EPA. There's so many things that are being falsely reported & blamed on C02 that it's alarming to those who know better. We certainly need to continue to explore cleaner energy alternatives but the scare tactics need to stop. If anything humans will benefit from a warming planet than suffer from it. Times of Global cooling have shortened human lifespan (1500-1700's) while in times of historical global warming humans have prospered (Roman Warming).
Hadoto AbrahamJune 3, 2014 12:09 pm
Trees help remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere! How would it work out if small holder farmers were encouraged to plant trees along boarders of their land and governments lined all roads with trees?
GEmersonBigginsJune 2, 2014 9:49 pm
How, in the information age, are there still idiots that believe in this AWG nonsense. How many times does this crap have to get debunked before the articles stop?! It's been daily it seems, for a couple decades. Meanwhile, there's been absolutely no evidence to come forth to back up the AWG claims, nor has there been any slowdown of evidence to disprove it. Journalism is dead.
Askgerbil NowJune 2, 2014 9:40 pm
China is adopting new technology - making substitute natural gas from coal - that uses coal more efficiently. This allows generation of cleaner, cheaper energy than a coal-fired power plant. Gas turbines have evolved rapidly with both GE and Siemens achieving over 60 per cent efficiency in converting energy in fuels to electrical energy. The African Development Bank may reconsider withdrawing support for coal-fired power plants on a commercial basis - having regard to the innovations that make coal gasification with Combined Cycle Gas Turbine [CCGT] power plants a superior and more flexible solution.
jburt56June 2, 2014 5:35 pm
Bring out the $0.10 per Watt thin film stuff.
Kurtis EngleJune 2, 2014 3:20 pm
Well of course you can't see, if you have your head up your ...tailpipe.
Science OfficerJune 2, 2014 1:44 pm
These cuts should be effective until approximately January 20, 2017. When the next President will fulfill a campaign promise and cancel them all.
plasquecomJune 1, 2014 1:27 pm
It's not an argument. It's a fact. http://youtu.be/cjuGCJJUGsg
plasquecomJune 1, 2014 1:02 pm
Ah, yes, let's simplify things to the extreme in order to ridiculize ideas that are inconvenient, and does not fit in to our narrow perspective. Right on.
NathanaelJune 1, 2014 10:38 am
These things were provided by inventors. Not by "capitalism". Just like the solar panels which are going to get us away from destroying the atmosphere are provided by inventors. Not by "capitalism".
nswanbergJune 1, 2014 7:12 am
All you need to know about global warming is that the ice is melting.
Michael LutherMay 31, 2014 10:00 pm
Well when you can light your water well on fire with a bic and a big oil companies just drilled through your well to get natural gas it doesn,t take a science degree to figure out why...
grantMay 31, 2014 5:17 pm
I believe I recently read there was a layer of ash found in the ice cores. And in 2012 they discovered an active volcano under the western portion of the continent.under the ice.
johncomayleMay 31, 2014 3:49 pm
The overwhelming majority of electric power in France is nuclear. Economically, France favors providing thorough social protections for all French citizens. French culture is the envy of nearly every American who identifies as progressive. Why cannot Americans who admire France, follow France on nuclear power, and rely less on fossil fuels?
Ghol ChotMay 31, 2014 7:39 am
The Number of refugees from other countries have been molded up as South Sudanese refugees. When will gods hear that our peoples have been violated for so long and have became tools for globalists begging in our name?
Offshore hostingMay 31, 2014 7:27 am
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adamjohnstonwpgMay 31, 2014 3:25 am
Points well made but, keep in mind the Olympics is in 2016. Plus Rio and Sao Paulo got hit with torrential rains last week or two.
stevek9May 31, 2014 2:04 am
China doesn't need to bother with this artificial market nonsense (I guess they think they should do it because the idiots in the West are doing it). They can just continue accelerating their nuclear program, and as soon as its feasible announce they will be building no more coal plants. With some diligent work they can replace the boilers in the newer coal plants with molten-salt reactors.
hurricanepaulMay 31, 2014 1:51 am
Can anyone tell me what the Carbon Footprint of Haiti is? Is it high, or very, very low?
Jay AlexanderMay 31, 2014 1:41 am
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hurricanepaulMay 31, 2014 1:39 am
** New study suggests melting Antarctic ice sheet contributed to rapid sea level rise 15,000 years ago ** How did the Antarctic ice sheet melt 15,000 years ago without man burning fossil fuels 15,000 years ago?
SherlocktooMay 30, 2014 11:55 pm
Gee, another definite maybe prediction, in which if it doesn't happen, they will say that it could have happened, but didn't. Should it come true, they will swear that we were told it would happen. More BS from the supposed most intelligent left.
Robin_GuenierMay 30, 2014 6:49 pm
I assume, Guest, that you are the same person as FMN. I suggest that you do scrutinise those links - especially the IPCC Technical Summary: http://report.mitigation2014.org/drafts/final-draft-postplenary/ipcc_wg3_ar5_final-draft_postplenary_technical-summary.pdf. Go to page 13 which comprises some useful data re "Total Anthropogenic CO2 Emissions ... by Region between 1750 and 2010". The panels at the right of the top line show "cumulative CO2 emissions". It's clear from this that the OECD (i.e. all major Western economies, not just US+EU as you had it) was responsible for less than half of total emissions over that period (1750-2010). Therefore, unless the IPCC is mistaken, your understanding of emission history would seem to be deficient and your "by a long shot" assertion incorrect.
puckstopper27May 30, 2014 6:10 pm
In other words, give us more of your money and nothing will change.
ddMay 30, 2014 4:33 pm
Now the Antarctic Ice Sheet is growing according to US Satellite data. I don't understand this article in that context. Would someone explain how an increase in ice produces an increase in water. The Ice Sheet has been growing for the last 30 months. The US Data shows it. Is this another Obama lie? a Progressive Liberal lie? or simply the Democrat Party doing what it does best - LIE! The GOP needs a focus. Democrat corruption, incompetence covered with lies would work.
arne-nlMay 30, 2014 4:10 pm
This is a big deal. 1/3 of all the world's fresh water flows through Brazilian rivers, making it one of the agricultural powerhouses of the world.
HansMay 30, 2014 3:50 pm
So if sea levels where 6-9 meters higher during the last interglacial, a 120,000 yrs ago, one can ONLY conclude the current Antarctic ice melt is virtually completely natural as we are recovering from the Little Ice Age of 200 yrs ago and per the study, this has happened before without man's influence. With that, the only conclusion one can draw is to adapt to climate change as it's natural, occurs frequently, and NOT foolishly fight it like the lefties want to do!
Rick KargaardMay 30, 2014 3:06 pm
" It takes a shocking amount of heat to melt ice" It releases the same amount of heat when water is frozen. So, by your reasoning, refreezing the arctic would would contribute to global warming.
Science OfficerMay 30, 2014 2:30 pm
Just wait. China will manipulate these carbon markets, taking inflated credit for a few emission control projects here and there, to claim massive reductions in "potential carbon emissions" and treating them as "cuts" in CO2 budget goals. Meanwhile, they will continue to expand their industries and produce ever higher emissions while we hamstring or economies and wallow in energy poverty.
Edward J WoodMay 30, 2014 10:46 am
Ah, yes, the emerging study of "green accounting:" the idea that it is somehow more valuable to leave stuff in the ground than dig it up, to put a dollar value on things you don't intend to sell. No more mining, no more drilling, no more forestry, no harvesting of natural resources whatsoever. Turn America into one big Amish farm community with no powered vehicles, no electricity, no running water.
Olivia JenniferMay 30, 2014 6:08 am
Yeah its a good article. According to you what we project managers do is communicating. And a lot of this communication is done during project meetings. It can sometimes feel like you are running from one meeting to another and that your time is often wasted. Meetings don’t start on time, the issues aren’t dealt with, there is no agenda, there is no focus, nobody assigns any follow ups or tasks and of course then they also don’t end on time. An efficient project manager is required for the good management of a project. I think a project manager should PMP certified. Looking forwards to apply what I learned in PMP classes in my company.
gogreen2006May 30, 2014 4:37 am
Global warming apocalypse is approaching right now and we are getting closer to the point of no return.
SandroidiegoMay 30, 2014 12:12 am
It's worded a little strangely, but that's not what it's saying. It hasn't gone FROM 0.7C in 1895 TO 1.1C today. Those numbers represent the range of temperature change from 1895. That is, in some places, the average temp has gone up by 0.7C since 1895 and in others it has gone up by 1.1C since 1895. The country is pretty large, so the temperature changes are not going to be uniform across the entire country. It's more like from .058C per decade to .092C per decade.
WhatMay 29, 2014 11:01 pm
The temperature has increased by .7C to 1.1C, depending on the datasets used. The issue is that the rate is increasing. From NASA's website, the mean global average temperature has increased by approximately .7C since 1950, which is a rate of .107C per decade. Also, radiative forcing is up in the last decade, despite the relative stalling of actual temperatures. The extra energy is being stored in the deep oceans and elsewhere in the climate system, but it will eventually manifest itself as an increase in temperature. Sources: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.gif http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/NetF.gif
ddMay 29, 2014 6:52 pm
If Obama believes it, it must be wrong. Scientists are running from the IPCC and the US report on climate as fast as they can. Politicians came in and added lies and deleting facts. Only those researchers dependent on Obama money continue the lies and corruption. In the world order, it is the same. Some governments pay these researchers to lie like Obama does. News journalists love alarmism and lies. They help Obama spread lies and kill people. News journalists have now become the new Mafia! Soon, the people will start a revolt and news journalists will find it dangerous to walk on the street.
Antonio Found MatamorosMay 29, 2014 6:50 pm
Where can I find the latest "program and proposed bill" that demonstrates to the international community that Mexico is leading by example?
johnpatrickMay 29, 2014 6:01 pm
This article is really puzzling to me. What upward creep of mercury levels in thermometers? I hope the writer is not referring to global warming causing a higher reading on the thermometer because the thermometer mercury level is unchanged as to quantity. Is the article telling us that thermometers are requiring more mercury now - what, are they making bigger diameter tubes? For what reason? And if you really want to undergo an exercise in futility, try to find a mercury thermometer from some supplier. About the only mercury thermometers left in this country are the super expensive standard thermometers which sell for several hundred dollars. I wanted to check my electronic thermometer but never found a reasonable, accurate mercury thermometer. They have not been available for several years.
GuestMay 29, 2014 3:27 pm
I would have to scrutinize Guenier's link further and their sources, before I can comment. I'm fully aware that developing countries especially China is now top polluter, with its break-neck double digit economic growth in the last 30 years. But I wrote 'cumulative' pollution over 260+ years, which western economies are still the world's leading cumulative polluters, by long shot. My beef is Greenpeace & Co fought the wrong battles and were in the wrong region - tropical areas. The WMO's red alarming dots all over northern hemisphere is testament to that failure, today. The 2014 UN's IPCC/FAO finding clearly singled out energy production sector (electricity & heating) as the worst culprit (25%) while livestock as the biggest GHG emitter/culprit from agriculture sector (24%), not productive crop like oil palm. In fact, UN scientists said in the same report that net greenhouse gas emissions due deforestation registered a nearly 10 percent decrease over the 2001-2010 period, due to increases in the amount of atmospheric carbon being sequestered in many countries' forest sinks. Mind you tropical countries do not need to burn coal for their heating needs, and the vast mighty lush tropical forests did help sequester CO2 into oxygen. The WMO's amber dots along the tropics confirm this, just by looking at their remote stations in Danum Valley (Malaysia) and Bukit Kototabang (Indonesia).
savantMay 29, 2014 1:54 pm
Nonstop propaganda from Yahoo...Any "journalists" there? Hello...hello...
Jnk BckMay 29, 2014 12:17 pm
man does anyone have any common sense anymore????? carbon neurtral? why would you even WANT to????? ITs how plants breathe you idiots!!! and how we get oxygen...idiots Get a clue and quit trying to rob people with "SCIENCE", which it is NOT
David NevadaMay 29, 2014 11:34 am
WOW.What 4.4 Billion could do to end hunger,poverty and disease. What waste on fantasy.
Gulrez Shah AzharMay 29, 2014 10:41 am
Thank you Pramila Krishnan! Here are the links to some of the research papers from Ahmedabad including the PLOS ONE paper plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0091831 www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/10/6/2515 www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/11/4/3473 www.hindawi.com/journals/jeph/aip/946875/
Michael FosterMay 29, 2014 6:57 am
Coal oil and gas fueled a frenzy of accelerating growth for a couple centuries, during which time we have run into biological limits. Economics must understand Value and account for the True Cost of failing to achieve 6%-8% annual reductions in fossil fuel emissions that the geophysical laws of the planet demand. If we plan to return something habitable at the end of this century, HOW MUCH. Never mind peak oil and running out of stuff like fish and water, which causes another kind of collapse. Please tell me how economics values my grandchildren's right to stuff like biodiversity as we observe the 6th extinction unfolding. Please explain to the forest industry the economic benefit of leaving a forest standing in a decade when our remaining carbon banks might keep us from crossing thresholds that trigger abrupt shift-state global warming. Please explain to Monsanto the economic benefit of handing over seeds and foregoing patents so that people can eat and farmers stop committing suicide. Please explain to fuel corporations the economic benefit of a moratorium on drilling and mining for new fossil reserves in a time when we have 5x more reserves than we can possibly burn without cooking our grandchildren and everything to come. Where are the values-free models that can answer how to live in a finite system where human population has climaxed and our incredible waste now forces us to face collapse or a whole new model built on cradle-to-cradle resourcefulness that restores a balance of cleaner air and water and land use on a rapid time frame.
Truth TellerMay 28, 2014 9:52 pm
Jeff- Because he is up against the political wall! Most republican policy makers think that global warming is a huge hoax, that would include all of the scientists in the world that believe in climate change. Climate change is like gravity, you can't see it, but make no mistake, it is there! It is absurd for anyone to think this is a hoax, but there was 25 mil dollars funneled into websites by the Koch brothers, who post lies and misinformation about climate change. The hoax lie is one of them. All of this is stopping progress on our fight against climate change. It, however, will not be very long before our president uses his executive powers to override those that are stopping our fight. Lot's of people are so afraid of change. We humans, generally do not do well with change. We are all going to have to learn to adapt to new ways of doing things, and, eventually, we will do it.
Truth TellerMay 28, 2014 9:31 pm
Jeff- What's all the fuss about? You obviously have not been keeping up with the information that is right at your fingertips. It would behoove yourself to actually research climate change @ NASA/ClimateChange. The higher our temps, the more extreme weather events we will see. You are not reading the correct data for temperature rise. Every single decade has been warmer than the last, it does not take much of a temperature rise to affect our climate. This past decade has been warming, with over 90% of the heat going into the oceans. The oceans have warmed, and are becoming acidic, because of all the CO2. Before the Industrial revolution, our temps worldwide stayed pretty much the same. If it did change , it took millions of years to do so. Then along came the Industrial Revolution when our temps started rising and Co2 and other greenhouse gases, trapping our heat, and raising the temps. The higher the temps, the more effects we will have like, droughts, heat waves, diseases and flooding. Some people will lose their lives because of these effects. There are things we can do to keep the temps from rising at the rate they are. We can reduce our CO2 emissions by moving towards implementing clean energy. By reducing the CO2, we will also reduce the effects of climate change. We can keep from making it worse. We only have a small window of time to do this. If we do nothing, it WILL be catastrophic for our children and grandchildren. THAT is why there is all this fuss.
GraehameMay 28, 2014 8:11 pm
If climate change led to the downfall of the Bronze Age civilizations, the fall of Rome, & the Mongol invasions, then what does that do the the argument that modern-day climate change is man-made? What it does, in my view, is make the whole argument about whether climate change is man-made or not completely irrelevant.
FMNMay 28, 2014 6:11 pm
I would have to scrutinize your link further and their sources, before I can comment. I'm fully aware that developing countries especially China is now top polluter, with its break-neck double digit economic growth in the last 30 years. But I wrote 'cumulative' pollution over 260+ years, which western economies are still the world's leading cumulative polluters, by long shot. My beef is Greenpeace & Co fought the wrong battles and were in the wrong region - tropical areas. The WMO's red alarming dots all over northern hemisphere is testament to that failure, today. The 2014 UN's IPCC/FAO finding clearly singled out energy production sector (electricity & heating) as the worst culprit (25%) while livestock as the biggest GHG emitter/culprit from agriculture sector (24%), not productive crop like oil palm. In fact, UN scientists said in the same report that net greenhouse gas emissions due to deforestation registered a nearly 10 percent decrease over the 2001-2010 period, due to increases in the amount of atmospheric carbon being sequestered in many countries' forest sinks. Mind you tropical countries do not need to burn coal for their heating needs, and the vast mighty lush tropical forests did help sequester CO2 into oxygen. The WMO's amber dots along the tropics confirm this, just by looking at their remote stations in Danum Valley (Malaysia) and Bukit Kototabang (Indonesia).
SchlibdiverMay 28, 2014 4:51 pm
Truth is, they don't want free trade, national autonomy, and economic freedom, they want communism. Let not ours be the generation that caves-in to communist tyranny.
Jeff MillerMay 28, 2014 4:00 pm
Why doesn't Obama do something to save us?
Robert WMay 28, 2014 3:48 pm
We now have an entire generation of confounded buffoons. Changing economics textbooks to include sensationalized alarmist dogma? What could we call this chapter, "how to fund raise yourself to prosperity" perhaps?
RickMay 28, 2014 3:47 pm
This is what people who don't like the laws of economics do - they pretend that they can ignore that which they don't like. The problem is that it's like ignoring physical laws, like gravity. You end up with the blind leading the blind right off a cliff, with the leader complaining that it's the cliff's fault.
SayWhatMay 28, 2014 3:14 pm
"US average temperatures have risen from 0.7C to 1.1C since 1895...a warming trend that was set to continue over the coming decades" That's 0.4C over 119 years, so less than 0.034C per decade is “overwhelmingly clear”? Since all of the major climate data sets show no warming for the past decade, why the fuss?
BillMay 28, 2014 2:12 pm
As you type away on a computer powered by electricity, in a home that is air conditioned and heated, with a refrigerator stocked with food in the next room, and a television blaring the latest global warming scare tactic, all things provided by capitalism. Funny.
BillMay 28, 2014 2:05 pm
Therein we find a hint of truth. Fact is we don't need to rewrite economic textbooks because of climate change. We need to use the lie that is climate change to change textbooks. This whole thing is about control and money. Follow the obscure path to those two things and you will find the puppet masters.
Science OfficerMay 28, 2014 1:54 pm
The Vikings raised crops in Greenland, the Romans cultivated vineyards in Britain. Conditions which would suggest warmer climates have existed within historical times than we are observing today. All with lower CO2 concentrations and without widespread sea level flooding caused by melting ice caps. Our ancestors must have been a lot smarter than we give them credit for. They some how managed to thrive under conditions we think are going to cause the end of civilization.
Science OfficerMay 28, 2014 1:40 pm
Economically, global warming is proof that you really can pull money out of thin air....
lanedcMay 28, 2014 1:36 pm
Are there any business people who have started, developed, and run a business that majored in economics in college? And by that I mean a real business not a paper pushing business but one that actually produces something. I am 65 years old and know several successful business people. Not one has a degree in economics. But most have a bettter understanding of real life economics than the talking heads I see and hear on T.V. Or on Yahoo.
Ben GhazyMay 28, 2014 12:43 pm
Instead of talking, studying, debating, modeling why don't we simply enforce the already existing laws and stop trashing our planet?
Robin_GuenierMay 28, 2014 12:20 pm
Yes - burning wood and dung (normal practice for the world's poorest people) emits vast amounts of GHG and is a major cause of sickness and short life - and it's why poor people stay poor. The good news is that it is possible to overcome the latter problems. China has resoundingly demonstrated this by lifting over 600 million people out of poverty in the last 30 years. They've done so by giving them access to reliable, affordable energy. But that has largely been effected by burning fossil fuels - mainly coal. As a result China is responsible for over 27% of GHG emissions - more than the US and EU combined. And other developing economies are following suit. Hence the dilemma referred to in the link I provided above.
Robin_GuenierMay 28, 2014 12:06 pm
Who is the "We" who must do these things? If you mean the developed economies - i.e. the West - it sounds like an embarrassingly arrogant neo-colonial attitude that's unlikely to attract "developing" economies such as China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, South Korea and South Africa. They might be amused by your proposed trade sanctions.
BillMay 28, 2014 6:45 am
My God!! The sky is falling--The sky is falling!!!!!!! Only communism can save us now!
maggieMay 28, 2014 3:51 am
Bill! Change your slogan to "CALL TO LINK ARMS!" Call to arms may attract some negitive influence on what will be a call to make governements aware that we mean to save the planet. Thanks!!
Wasiu Adigun AlimiMay 28, 2014 1:47 am
You are really right about your data. Developing countries has been contributing more to GHG emissions in recent times than in the past. Major source of energy here is Fuel wood and most rural dwellers get their means of livelihood from the forest engaging in activities such as illegal logging, sales of Shrubs, Lianas and other form of plant growth as a means of sustenance because of the socio-economic situations. The overall effect is decrease in trees to absorb CO2 leading to excess of this gas in the atmosphere which leads to loss of biodiversity and loss of natural resources.
Robin_GuenierMay 27, 2014 10:52 pm
How confident are you, fcvnyc, that the governments of, for example, China, India, Brazil, Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia might be interested in (as you put it) "a global governance system that integrates the social, economic and environmental pillars of sustainable development"? I would suggest not even remotely.
FukowiMay 27, 2014 10:35 pm
Yes - we should be as lucky as the Danes who pay more than FOUR times the price we pay for electricity and pay the absolute highest taxes on the face of the earth. There is no serious industry in Denmark that can compete on a world scale with such ridiculous energy costs and create the levels of employment needed to sustain a huge economy. No wonder the Danes lead the world in anti depressant consumption. The tar sands is a huge Canadian natural resource that will generate jobs and tax revenues for years to come for Canadians. If Denmark had this resource - do you realistically believe they would leave it in the ground? Please. The emphasis should be on how can smart people (environmentalists and industrialists) work together to further ameliorate negative environmental aspects through technology development while at the same time offering the world relief from the greed of unstable OPEC monopolists and the disproportionate impact of the Middle East on everything. Stop complaining and make it work better.
Ted AtwoodMay 27, 2014 9:59 pm
As a refrigerant reclaim company with 20 years of global refrigerant recycling and destruction, it would be my opinion that if we are going to limit emissions related to refrigerants we need to do a few things better than we are presently 1. harmonize the end of the chillers useful life with its IRS amortization schedule. 2. improve accountability at the local level - not the federal level, but the local level 3. provide advanced support through the SNAP program well enough in advance of the final phase out. If we adequately define the expectations and then harmonize activity across the spectrum of participants, then we will together accomplish the goal and not disrupt the marketplace.
VestiasMay 27, 2014 9:15 pm
As a person interested in the future of the envorimment We need yo work with yhe developing coutris to reduce the pollution and hver trade sanctions against nation who ignore good science but the good science must show economic benefits or these coutris will go for the expensive means of power prodution and industrial
pdjmooMay 27, 2014 8:04 pm
This is just great. Old Economics has lead us to the brink of disaster on this planet when everything and everyone has become just a dollar figure on a balance sheet. It is heartening to see our younger generation questioning the old order.
Frans Verhagen, PhDMay 27, 2014 8:00 pm
Maynard Keynes, the famous British economist, believes that anything that matters can function as a monetary standard and has a dim view of gold as a standard. Thus, taking a specific tonnage of CO2e per person as a monetary standard is quite possible, though unusual even for liberal economists and thinktanks. I developed a carbon-based international monetary system based upon that standard. Its conceptual, institutional, ethical and strategic dimensions are presented in Verhagen 2012 “The Tierra Solution: Resolving the climate crisis through monetary transformation” and updated at www.timun.net.
GGRMay 27, 2014 6:55 pm
Dear Rethinking Economics, I have taught AP Macroeconomics for 26 years. During that time, I have seen a concerted movement to bury Keynesian economics and enshrine neo-classical, laissez-faire economics. That fad has mostly faded except that it now infects our national legislative branch to such an extent that fiscal policy solutions to our current crisis are impossible. It isausterity or nothing. This has crippled one of the world’s biggest economies. Although we teach negative externalities, a serious attempt to include the cost of environmental degradation in every economic calculation is not done. The role of altruism, compassion, and global awareness that affects decision-making at the individual level is discounted as an emotional as opposed to a “rational” basis. We should not throw out the good with the bad, but a thorough rethinking is more than important, it is vital. I am, at 65 years of age, still a student of economics. I would be proud to join your organization. Thank you for the work you have started.
Pat A - 350NYCMay 27, 2014 6:54 pm
Four thousand people have RSVP'd in a little more than a month on the march's event page on Facebook - and we've still got about four months to go! Join us! https://www.facebook.com/events/301805359975258/
cacique437May 27, 2014 6:32 pm
When the wolf is in charge of the hen house, chickens start disappearing and their eggs no where to be seen.. The worst part is when the forests become deserts
Robin_GuenierMay 27, 2014 6:05 pm
It seems, FMN, that your understanding of some essential data is outdated. For example, according to the Technical Summary of the IPCC's most recent report (WG III),** the developed world (i.e. more than just your US+EU) is responsible for less than half total greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions emissions since 1750. Moreover, the Summary shows that growth in GHG emissions since the 1970s came mostly from the developing economies. That therefore is the trend that would have to be reversed if GHG emissions are to be cut - so perhaps Greenpeace etc. might usefully have given rather more attention to the developing world. The overall dilemma is summarised (with detailed supporting links) here: http://ipccreport.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/uk-climate-policies-are-pointless2.pdf ** http://report.mitigation2014.org/drafts/final-draft-postplenary/ipcc_wg3_ar5_final-draft_postplenary_technical-summary.pdf (go to page 13.)
Ron GrummerMay 27, 2014 6:00 pm
Changes do not just happen, they occur because of specific causes. With climate, these changes are well understood and have been for more than a century. We understand what causes contributed to past climate changes and we well understand what is causing the current changes. The only way to keep the current episode of climate change from become the worst such event in the history of the planet is to eliminate human generated fossil fuel emissions and to actively reduce the emission residues we have added to the active carbon cycle over the last 200 years. Humans emit 300x more fossil fuel carbon each year than all the volcanoes on the planet combined. http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/archive/2007/07_02_15.html
Climate 4 RevolutionMay 27, 2014 4:47 pm
Capitalism Apologist alert
FMNMay 27, 2014 3:19 pm
Yet another wake-up call, among many that have been ignored one too many times. In fact in 2014 after 260+ years, the status quo remains unchanged: 1) US+EU are the world's biggest and longest cumulative polluter since 1751. 2) UK is the world's biggest cumulative polluter per capita since 1800. If Greenpeace, WWF, FoE, RAN, etc have been fighting the right battles, at the right regions (northern hemisphere of course), then we could have reversed the trend, just might.
Climate HomeMay 27, 2014 1:38 pm
Hi Ryan, The 25% figure is one from the EU. If you disagree I suggest you take it up with them. But as the study quoted by Sophie explains, oil sands extraction is energy intensive and could increase if markets open overseas - with or without R&D. Also worth acknowledging Shell's recent investment in CCS could change that - but time will tell. The EU study link is here: https://circabc.europa.eu/d/d/workspace/SpacesStore/db806977-6418-44db-a464-20267139b34d/Brandt_Oil_Sands_GHGs_Final.pdf Best wishes, Ed King, RTCC
Thomas SimmonsMay 27, 2014 12:56 pm
Sorry, but as an Economist who's been teaching the subject for 16 years and written 3 textbooks, I have to disagree with all of these students. Economics, as currently taught, *clearly* and *unambiguously* allows for the examination and inclusion of values these students hold dear. I think, perhaps, they need to examine the totality of the field more, and whine a little bit less. My suspicion is that they are more concerned with "telling the world what they know they already want" than doing the hard work of learning to think in the logical, systemic steps that characterize economics. The Tweet Generation enters the University....
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robnbcMay 26, 2014 10:02 pm
How about: We all want our children to grow up in a hospitable climate and the adverse human impact on the planet is become more and more obvious. We can work together to create a sustainable future for our children even if it causes us some minor inconvenience now. Science supports it and our children are worth it.
Nick GrealyMay 26, 2014 5:08 pm
I assume they will read ALL the IPCC Mitigation report and seize the opportunity coal to gas switching has as the quickest option for the greatest CO2 reduction.
Ray Del ColleMay 26, 2014 2:44 pm
"More extreme weather, rising seas, and escalating risks to our health. That's what we can expect as climate change gets worse." http://clmtr.lt/c/HIL0Y0cMJ
DavidAppellMay 24, 2014 9:40 pm
That is not PIOMAS's projection. PIOMAS finds a trend of -3 Kkm3/decade, with annualized ice volume now at at 5 Kkm3. So zero is 16 years in the future, if you assume the trend continues. But is that a good assumption? There has lately been science showing that Artic melting has been enhanced by natural variability (the Atlantic Meriodonal Oscillation), which will not continue indefinitely. Most projections put the zero of Arctic sea ice out several decades.
ScottMMay 23, 2014 5:46 pm
Makes sense for them to have it deleted, it is a UN organization and the Saudi's have lots of sway. Why would they want to be embarrassed?
ScottMMay 23, 2014 5:42 pm
Good news, some competition is good, may reduce gas prices of over $10 a gallon in Europe.
RyanMay 23, 2014 5:42 pm
Misinformation. Please do your research before writing articles. The net emissions output of Canadian oil sands is on par with United States crude. The statement that Oil-sands is 25% more polluting then conventional oil is false. Fact: Oil-sands accounts for under 1% of north american greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels with over 90% coming from coal. If you want to positively effect emissions output take a look at the coal industry that accounts for the majority of all greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels. Canadian Energy companies including those that are involved in the Oil-Sands are investing millions of dollars a year in R&D to develop the technology to reduce environmental impacts of resource development. Further Canadian energy companies are at the cutting edge of environmental and safety processes, and Alberta has some of the most stringent carbon capture regulations in the world. Please understand the research before jumping in the fanatical bandwagon.
Steven WolfowitzMay 23, 2014 2:00 pm
The world has been waiting for new technology to reduce CO2 emissions, excessive fossil-fuel use, fix global economies, reduce energy requirements from neighbouring countries, and mitigate against possible climate change. New technology recently proven at Regensburg University in Bavaria, Germany can make a significant contribution. The new microbiological conversion of CO2 to CH4 process uses predominantly the metabolic energy provided by methanogens instead of the costly non-viable electrolytic pathway unsuccessfully attempted over many years. 99,4% conversion has been achieved. The technology is unknown to the authorities who have the capacity to implement it meaningfully. Details can be found on website www.co2recycled.com or www.wolfowitz.com .A method to manufacture very large operational plants in a few days and resolve the CO2 emissions problem quite soon depending on the degree of implementation has also been devised. Instead of importing LNG from Russia, the US, etc. the EU can obtain the 30% shortfall in its requirements using this process instead of dumping its furnace emissions into the atmosphere. This needs to be brought to the attention of the authorities and powers who can implement it.
radicalMay 23, 2014 8:15 am
Environmentalists or fossil fuel lovers are not going to change what will happen. Is everyone completely ignorant about what the earth regularly goes through? You can try to capture carbon and you can pollute to your heart's content and make so little difference it is of no consequence. Just one example; the volcano in Iceland released more CO2 than has been produced by industry and automotive use in the last 100 years in only an hour. How do you expect to overwhelm what naturally occurs on this planet? This earth we love goes through regular cycles of cooling down and heating up and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
RandomGuy189155May 23, 2014 3:10 am
Excellent , good luck !!
Evelyn Rodriguez-CacatianMay 22, 2014 9:24 am
If the increasing rate of increase in global temperatures has to be stopped, each and every able individual has to take its part. Let us not just put the blame totally on China, but the buyers of Chinese products. For, if they will not keep on buying their products, China will not keep on producing and will not be performing all other activities related to a product if there will be no buyers of these products. So, there is a need to educate the global economy to maximize the use of almost all products they have, for, in doing so, will lead to the non-performance of so many activities, which at this point in time are highly mechanized contributing so much to global warming which results to climate change. -Evelyn Rodriguez-Cacatian [email protected]
arne-nlMay 21, 2014 5:46 pm
" mass of Si etc required for PV" You are probably unaware that the Earth's crust is mainly Si. It's the 2nd most abundant element on Earth. The same is true for iron, there is so much of we simply can't think of enough reasons to use it all. And concrete. All these are extremely abundant materials. Your notion of shortage is hilarious. "to increase rate of deployment of renewables by around 100..." Annual wind installations are ~40 GW, good for ~100 TWh per year. Solar is about the same annual capacity, good for ~50 TWh per year. The total is 150 TWh per year. Now multiply by your number (100) and annual installations would be good for generating 15,000 TWh/year. Global electricity consumption is 22,500 TWh per year. So at 100x today's rate, wind and solar would completely replace today's electricity generating capacity in a mere year and a half. Did you just throw in a random number, or did you really do your homework but made an error with a decimal point somewhere? If we assume 5x today's rate, then the time to replace the global capacity is ~30 years, which seems a reasonable period. 5x. To have a reference: Wind power installations grew 5x in the past 10 years. Solar PV grew even faster: 5x in the past 4(!) years.
scarletphoenixMay 21, 2014 5:14 pm
Climate change is real in the reality that there is a climate and it changes. Sometimes its hotter and sometimes its colder. If you were to take the time to look up actual climate information rather than listen to some talking head, you would find a wealth of knowledge that shows you they global warming guys are taking you for a ride and literally trying to tax you because you breathe. We are currently in an interglacial period. Please look it up. Interglacial is warmer the glacial. We have been warming for the last 8000 yrs. Even at the current temps its not the hottest its been in the last 400,000 years as the epa website claims. If you look up interglacial you will learn about ice ages. Ice ages run in cycles. You can see the correlation between glacial stages and the rise and decline of carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide being "the cause" of so called "global warming." Now man made carbon dioxide emissions, would have been made over what the last 200 yrs, i believe they said it has been raised by 40%. Interesting though that graphs show the same climate oh for the last 8000 yrs. I would also love point out that volcanoes erupt regularly, releasing untold amts of carbon dioxide. Recently there was at least 7 volcanoes erupting at the same time. Not to mention hawaii that has been erupting for the past 25 yrs straight. So youre telling me mother nature can handle massive belches of carbon dioxide all the time but the last 200 yrs of ppl carbon emissions are the problem? My real question is whos going to tax the volcanos?
arne-nlMay 21, 2014 5:05 pm
You simply don't understand do you? The uptrend on Shell was merely a general market rebound after the credit crunch. The Dow Jones has posted similar gains, meaning any mainstream stock would have yielded the same gains. So how exactly are those Shell investors 'big smart money'? Outperforming the market, that is smart. And saying what WOULD have been a smart decision by cherrypicking the entry point is typical of people who never learned it the hard way, i.e. who never bought any stock and know that perfect timing doesn't exist. Sounds like you doesn't it? Lets talk about the investors who bought Shell in 2007. How do you feel about them? Are they smart too?
Cricket FanMay 21, 2014 12:55 pm
I am an environmentalist and I (for want of a better word) support Shell. I agree Shell’s commercial activities have lifted millions of people out of poverty, historically speaking. I grew up watching The People’s Republic of China develop wealth and pollution. My understanding is that stationary energy shall turn green well before transport energy. Therefore coal shall become worthless well before crude oil. Assuming we all agree to keep below the two degree C temperature increase and we do not have reliable technology for oceanic freight other than crude oil then we need to work with the big oil companies. I would prefer Shell to use their expertise in organic chemistry to pursue harvesting algae oil rather than carbon capture and sequestration. The Australian Government spent a small fortune researching CCS and there is still not one coal fired power station using CCS. The advantages of algae oil include being carbon neutral and suited to sunny non-arable locations. Shell are global leaders in organic chemistry. We should ask them to go well.
AlexMay 21, 2014 2:14 am
Regardless of esoteric arguments about the value of stocks, the fundamentals of energy demand (huge and growing), the capacity and relative costs of the options to meet that demand and the physical challenge of replacing the world's energy infrastructure with renewables (mass of coking coal, iron ore and steel and concrete required for wind turbines, mass of Si etc required for PV) necessary to increase rate of deployment of renewables by around 100 means that it is simply impossible to make the transition quickly (ie bubble). It will take decades.
Optimist58May 21, 2014 1:45 am
Sounds like you missed World History class. Cheap coal powered the industrial revolution and the cheap electricity that has lifted billions out of poverty. I have no words for anyone who thinks oil is uneconomic- largest daily financial exchange in the world.
Optimist58May 21, 2014 1:37 am
Does not sound like you have ever owned a stock in your life but maybe you know more than all the millions of smart successful people who have been buying into the uptrend on Shell for the last 5 years. The big smart money in the world is voting with their dollars - coastal real estate and energy markets say that global warming is over estimated and over hyped.
Optimist58May 21, 2014 1:29 am
Their natural gas, nuclear and hydro power producing assets are the majority of their value. I see they are spinning off the wind power stuff now that the subsidies are ending.
h idkMay 21, 2014 12:00 am
how tim?
h idkMay 20, 2014 11:58 pm
I think it would be cool if they could use solar energy to power home appliances kind of like they do with calculators. :)
bernard townsendMay 20, 2014 11:05 pm
In doing just a moment of calculations, the ice loss of 159 billion tonnes, would cover an area of over 60 thousand square miles one meter deep, that would have an effect locally where it is taking place.
VestiasMay 20, 2014 9:54 pm
New China stop Pollution
AaronMay 20, 2014 9:51 pm
If fossil fuel companies get their way, human life will be kinda like the dystopian "Mad Max" movies, except with even worse weather. So if that sounds good to you, go ahead and buy some Shell stocks.
Bob JohnsonMay 20, 2014 7:19 pm
RDS share price has almost doubled since 2008. Would have doubled your investment including dividends paid. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=RDS-A+Interactive#symbol=RDS-A;range=my
arne-nlMay 20, 2014 6:12 pm
How typical, cherry picking to twist reality to conform to your ideology. Shell stock was higher than today in 2008, until the credit crisis struck. But of course, you select the lowest post-credit crunch price point to sound optimistic. This is nothing more than a slow recovery. Corrected for inflation, the stock is still lower than its 2007/2008 peak. Nice shooting. Does your foot hurt? Stock price is based on expectations. Basically the one single question investors ask is: How much dividend will I get? True believers like you are the ones keeping the stock high. But as soon as the general opinion takes hold that the demise of fossil fuels is inevitable, the bubble will burst at an astounding speed. Mass psychology sets in as everybody scrambles to sell their shares before the others do. But as a true believer you will stick to your faith and be the one left holding the bag. I wish you good luck with you portfolio.
A Real OptimistMay 20, 2014 5:32 pm
Coal and oil also proved to be uneconomic without essentially free labor, lax regulations and monopolies. They also had no competition to start since they were the first true forms of energy.
elayne rayburnMay 20, 2014 3:30 pm
Thanks.
Dimitar MirchevMay 20, 2014 2:32 pm
Of course stocks of some renewable energy companies will prove to be uneconomical. The worst is yet to come after all we have yet to see the real merger and acquisition phase. What is important is that the yearly installations are up for 40-50 years in a row while the installation const is falling and the markets are diversifying. New renewables provide the cheapest electricity and heat - its cheaper than new coal, new gas and new nuclear.
Optimist58May 20, 2014 2:20 pm
RDS.A on any stock quote site. The 2009 low was low 40's and recent high is 80.83 For renewable see the RENIXX - 2009 high about 850 and 2013 low was 160 although it has come back up as they dropped the bankrupt companies off the index which is a false recovery.
ChrisMay 20, 2014 1:24 pm
Here's a renewable energy stock that's doubled in 5 years: Next Era Energy (NEE)
TomMay 20, 2014 1:23 pm
They are not at all interested in tackling climate change, merely on increasing the income made from exporting more oil and gas. If they can avoid funding solar projects by securing foreign investment, they'll pursue solar hammer and tongs. I find it pretty amusing that the said delegate claimed they had "no hand in" the upcoming "storm", having been the largest exporter of oil for nearly 50 years, lining his and other Saudis pockets in the process.
Climate HomeMay 20, 2014 11:54 am
Hi Optimist - can you provide some data (a link to an official document?) if you post comments saying certain stocks are up, (or down by 90%). That's not a figure I have seen, but would be interested if accurate. Best, Ed King, RTCC
Climate HomeMay 20, 2014 11:52 am
Hi Elayne - there's a link to the report in the second line of this report Best, Ed King, RTCC
Optimist58May 19, 2014 10:18 pm
Meanwhile in the real world Shell stock has doubled in last 6 years since 2008 financial slump. World wide shareholders obviously not too worried about a Carbon Bubble. The only stocks that are down 90 % are the so called renewable energy companies that are proving to be uneconomic without heavy government subsidies.
Media MentionsMay 19, 2014 9:58 pm
It is a dangerous thing, when money and politics join forces as motivators, and this is exactly the case with fracking. Money? It's profitable. Politics? The world is looking to rid itself from Russia's noose. That's why it is so damn important to get our facts straight now. From my experience PressReader is a good start http://kxan.com/2014/05/12/fracking-causing-earthquakes-lawmakers-want-to-know/ and coupled with the likes of you and your posts, we're on the right road. Thanks for the post.
elayne rayburnMay 19, 2014 9:19 pm
I would love to read exactly what investment portfolios -- and who offers them -- increased by 50%. Where did this information come from? A survey?
Charles BeattieMay 19, 2014 5:27 pm
China is claiming to be communist, they are in terms of freedoms (like the internet). They opened markets and they allow are companies to use them for cheap labor.
MattMay 19, 2014 3:37 pm
I thought the classic sales technique was to end with a nine? "Left wing new age fascists". Preposterous nonsense - I presume you've never encountered anyone who works at the IEA.
ZukMay 19, 2014 10:38 am
The title is wrong?! This isn't an article about climate change increasing volcanic eruptions, as far as I can see, this is about volcanic eruptions and pollutions having socioeconomic consequences.
Clyde IsraelMay 19, 2014 7:13 am
21st century evolving socialism? And who is making all the money, i.e. who are the renewable 'oil barons'? In this capitalist world money is driving this process, I shudder to think that it is purely out of concern for our fellow man, or has human nature changed?
Daniel WülbernMay 17, 2014 8:37 pm
Marty - The point is it should not be a "free" card. Carbon credits at say $30 per ton would stop more polluters from polluting than any (unrealistic) legal obligation on a company or industry to stop polluting. GM needs to produce cars and you still want to use cement to build a house and Holcim will keep producing it. The only way for these companies to stop polluting is to shut down their operations. If innovation does not allow these "polluters" to come clean, at least they are given a proven mechanism to pay to reduce emissions somewhere else where it might be much more efficient and have some important co-benefits to communities. The global climate does not care where emissions are being reduced but it needs us to reduce them now and not in 10 years.
BradMay 17, 2014 3:45 pm
The market should choose this solution because of the lower cost. However, I fear that it won't choose this solution quickly because of the power of the fossil fuel industry and the extreme short term orientation of the market. It's more spending up front for savings in the future, and short term oriented market system doesn't like that kind of solution. Putting a price on carbon and making polluters pay to use our shared atmosphere as their toxic waste dump is what we need to overcome these obstacles.
JfiddleMay 17, 2014 4:45 am
That first LNG disaster could be in North Bend/Coos Bay Oregon. They want to build an LNG export terminal, power plant for condensing the gas, and a pipeline. However, it's on a sand spit, in an earthquake & tsunami zone... an utterly INSANE idea considering we're being told it's past time for the next big one from the Cascadian Subduction zone, right off the coast of Coos Bay. http://citizensagainstlng.com/wp/
BobMay 16, 2014 10:30 pm
Do you really think it wise that we are putting 7 billion people into a climate the world hasn't seen in 50 million years. Modern man has only been around for the last 10,000 years. In that 10000 years temperature has only varied + or - 1 degree C. It will be a far more violent world as civilization as we know it falls apart
roberta4343May 16, 2014 1:51 pm
so they are going to factor in global warming myths into their calculations and raise their cost accordingly then on top of that they are saying that payouts of legitimate claims is a loss, really? how much money have they made off the insured with tax subsidies and investments etc. it seems that payouts of legitimate claims for people who have paid plenty to them is a loss no matter how small. they are just trying to find ways to avoid payouts by creating loopholes, oh you did not get global warming coverage so your storm damaged house is not covered since we believe (but cant prove) it was the result of global warming rather then a normal storm. whatever loopholes are they planning on implementing? greed and selfishness especially among the super rich and rulers is a plague on human kind. lthey will lie cheat steal and murder to keep their power/wealth. in fact they already do.
kalebMay 15, 2014 2:23 pm
nice try to env121. the sulfur levels in the area could be high which means that that causes the water in the area to be undrinkale. http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/02/26/greenpeace-co-founder-no-scientific-proof-humans-are-dominant-cause-warming/ the liberal co founder of greenpeace says that there is NO scientific proof that fracking causes any damage to the earth
GannojoMay 15, 2014 9:21 am
Climate changes. Always has always will. What are you going to do about it? Stop a hurricane? If you think you can change the weather perhaps your over shooting a bit... But you probably believe CO2 (man made) is the key? Even thought in ALL ice core samplings show the rise of CO2 followed the warming period. It could not be the cause of warming. Maybe warming is the cause of higher CO2 following the warming? This makes sense when you consider the oceans hold and emit the most CO2. So when they are cold they hold CO2, when they get warm they release into the atmosphere CO2. That is what the ice core samples tell us isn't it?
Wambi MichaelMay 14, 2014 10:39 am
The Municipality is Mbale not Bally. It was one of the original towns/ districts in Uganda.
MyNameisGuyFauxMay 13, 2014 9:52 pm
Great money-saving opportunity, but our politicians don't get bribed from mother nature to pass corrupted legislation.
Tom OlinMay 13, 2014 9:21 pm
Capitalism and free enterprise will be what will get us out of this mess.
JimmyMay 13, 2014 3:47 pm
What?
rob de laetMay 13, 2014 12:45 pm
Way to go! The military have to kick the politicians into quick and forceful action.
Shamba Shape UpMay 13, 2014 10:16 am
Interesting article. A fund for climate change is certainly needed, and hopefully the money will go where it is needed. We work a great deal with acting or re-acting to the problems of climate change on our 'edu-tainment' TV show Shamba Shape Up (www.shambashapeup.com) within East Africa, yet many farmers have yet to even hear of climate change so it is a slow process.
itsallgood4meMay 13, 2014 5:29 am
With all the things that mankind has done that pollutes , this planet ,how in the hell could it not negatively affect the conditions on this planet ?
moovovaMay 13, 2014 2:38 am
"However, fossil fuels continue to supply almost 80 percent of world energy use through 2040. Natural gas is the fastest-growing fossil fuel in the outlook." http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/ieo/
ekanetiMay 13, 2014 1:54 am
These people would be complete jokes were it not for the fact they'd turn society into a toltalitarian police state.
snafubarMay 13, 2014 12:59 am
So what I want to know is, when the world goes into a deep freeze what are you gonna do about it? Sun spot activity, which is not included in IPCC models, is a minimum right now. Think of New York Harbor freezing, like it did in the late 1700's. Increases in death and destruction is due to overpopulation in coastal areas. We are living where we shouldn't be.
ShootistMay 13, 2014 12:43 am
For the love of God, before you do anything as stupid and short sighted as all that, call Freeman Dyson and see what he thinks ('cause he's smarter than you and is a "climate scientist" to boot). "The polar bears will be fine." - Freeman Dyson "Generally speaking, I'm much more of a conformist, but it happens I have strong views about climate because I think the majority is badly wrong, and you have to make sure if the majority is saying something that they're not talking nonsense." - Freeman Dyson "What I’m convinced of is that we don’t understand climate." - Freeman Dyson As a general rule, if Freeman Dyson doesn't understand something, you don't, either. And yes, IEA, I am talking to you. "The polar bears will be fine." - Freeman Dyson
mikewatson021May 13, 2014 12:23 am
Clean Energy reported revenues of $334.01 million in fiscal year 2012, its fiscal year end on December 31 http://bit.ly/1on7YB5
Lester ForsytheMay 13, 2014 12:13 am
Just confused, because DOE says just the opposite...........http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/ieo/
Lester ForsytheMay 12, 2014 11:59 pm
US DOE just predicted exactly the opposite.... "However, fossil fuels continue to supply almost 80 percent of world energy use through 2040." http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/ieo/
JanetkMay 12, 2014 11:03 pm
If I understand it, renewable energy is cheaper in the long run, while coal and natural gas are cheaper in the short run but disastrous in the long run. It took cholera epidemics for sewer systems to be installed in the 19th century (yet to be installed in large areas of third world), must we wait for more devastating epidemics, "natural" disasters, unbreathable air, undrinkable water to make a full scale commitment to renewable energy? As the article said, the energy sector is policy driven. Time for policies to favor the public over short term profits.
Energy GuyMay 12, 2014 10:27 pm
I am in the energy business and have been in the solar industry from the beginning. There is no way that solar and biofuels have accounted for the number of jobs report in this article. If it was a third of this I would be surprised. Who is trying to zoom the American public on this?
jack lehrMay 12, 2014 7:03 pm
No, no - 150 TRILLION! No, wait - A BILLION TRILLION! Yeah, yeah, that's it. I love how the prediction ends with a one (71) - a classic sales technique. Perhaps all the science is really "settled" (hard to see how with such a complex problem, but who knows?), but the bullying of not coincidentally left wing new age fascists really beggars belief of whatever they say.
Jens RundbergMay 12, 2014 11:19 am
Are they really claiming that EU is on track decoupling growth from emissions? It is not honest when CO2-emissions from the products we import from China and consume in EU is not accounted for in EU, but in China. So who controls the rules about where to measuse the CO2-emissions? Change the rules!
Gunn SinclairMay 10, 2014 1:35 pm
It's really heartening to see what the collaboration of youthful energy can accomplish. There is a new invention I would like these Stanford activists to see, which is a brand new type of double-enclosed wind turbine that can be put up in close proximity to people and communities...directly on top of buildings, without even being seen. I would like to challenge these students to consider the future possibility of depleting seawater to control rising oceans--by using wind turbines to generate electricity, which would then be used to create hydrogen from water. Hydrogen is both store-able and transportable, and it burns 99% clean. After reading this article, I wanted to give these hyped-up students at Stanford a peek into the future. Why? Because I see that they can make a huge impact! Anyway, here's my own contribution to help fight climate change: See the new YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi_7gdITA_s&feature=youtu.be Learn more at my website: www.hallmarkemporium.com
JournalistMay 9, 2014 12:00 pm
"The latest climate science reports showed once again that we don’t have time to waste switching to clean energy systems and getting fossil fuels out of our economies" This isn't strictly true, is it? The latest IPCC report actually shows we need to decarbonise fossil fuels - not get them out of our economies; a very big difference and a much more achievable proposition in the next 100 years.
A fellow lobbyistMay 8, 2014 10:35 am
"Our elected representatives have a responsibility to listen to young people as a powerful section of the electorate...And if they want to secure our vote in 2015 just listening politely won’t cut it." THEN "We know that voting isn’t the only way to make change, and we’re not leaving it up to politicians to get us on track for a sustainable, safe future." So which is it? Vote for politicians or ignore them? Make up your minds but a word of advice...I wouldn't tell politicians you'll never vote for any of them because then none of them would have any reason to listen to you (as individual voters and as lobbyists)
bobMay 8, 2014 1:28 am
this ain't good
Marty JonesMay 7, 2014 10:24 pm
"World Bank and Al Gore call for ‘polluter pays’ principle to be implemented across global economy" Completely disagree. The principle should be that the polluter stops polluting, is obliged to stop poilluting, The ability to buy a get out of jail free card is not the answer, its like a rogue being to able to buy their way out of jail and into heaven, and it is intrinsically unjust.
JanearthloverMay 7, 2014 7:45 pm
We must keep fossil fuels in the ground in order to avoid climate cataclysm. A carbon tax will not do this now. Too little too late. Disappointed that Al Gore cannot come up with any visionary ways to aid this world but repeat the same mantra over and over again and collude with agencies intent on continuing to support fossil fuel polluters.
davidMay 7, 2014 1:50 am
This is such an emergency of global proportion. No its not an emergency of global disruption it the emergency to tax the breath I take, I hope the EU continues to take it where it hurts. Aviation week tracks the EU carbon trade market where the credits to breath are traded as it crashed a couple of months ago cue to the ongoing global depression. They had to mani;pilate the market to withdraw credits so my breath would be less free.
cesium62May 6, 2014 7:18 am
During the Eocene, 50 million years ago, it looks like temperatures were 12 degrees centigrade warmer than they are now. Somehow, plants and animals survived.
JohnMay 5, 2014 4:50 pm
FIFA claims that they and BP will offset emissions for 50,000 travellers, but that is NOT TRUE: http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/fifa-bp-please-remove-the-limit-on-your-carbon-offset-contribution?lang=en-GB
NemesisMay 5, 2014 4:19 pm
No matter how much facts there are- they simply DON'T WANT to see the truth as long as they have enough fuel for their cars, enough money on their bank account etc... they just don't care. When the game is over only then they will realize that they and their children will have to pay for their endless ignorance. Sela.
Victoria HayMay 2, 2014 12:47 am
I guess you can't explain what you want. Only to insult. I guess if you explain yourself you will ignore the facts and data. Or something?
LGMay 1, 2014 6:56 pm
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614097/Top-climate-experts-sensational-claim-government-meddling-crucial-UN-report.html. Who is misleading whom?
windy2May 1, 2014 4:55 pm
There is zero chance that global elitists, many of which enriching themselves by profiting off the poor and ignorant by use of scare tactics, flying private jets to meet in one of the richest locations in the world will gain any traction with the public.
Ray Del ColleMay 1, 2014 4:03 pm
Europe has a carbon tax. Why are we the last ones to figure it out? "Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has gone up 40% in the last 150 years. It disrupts our climate, impacts our livelihoods, and threatens our health." http://clmtr.lt/c/Gyh0bN0cMJ
APPAN VARMAMay 1, 2014 3:24 am
NATURE IS STILL BEYOND HUMAN CONTROL as we are yet to understand even a fraction of its vastness
Don OsbornApril 30, 2014 6:31 pm
And we have the right to express our disgust at it. AND to point out how these Ultra-rich and their Supreme Court are drowning out our rights and our futures as well.
jfreed27April 30, 2014 2:30 pm
Right on. They oppose all solutions to the problem of AGW. They recently oppose solar. They are sad, money grubbing fascists who own our government and would determine our energy future. We beat Hitler. We beat Stalin. We will beat the Kochs.
jfreed27April 30, 2014 2:27 pm
If Soros supports a low carbon economy, I am all for him. If not, then no, I'm not.
niknarApril 30, 2014 2:42 am
There's a difference between contributing according to one's beliefs or conscience & according to one's greed. The Koch brothers know exactly what they're doing. They know the policies they espouse will lead to the destruction of our democracy as well as the extinction of most living things on earth, including humans. They don't worry too much about that, because they won't live long enough to see the catastrophe they're creating. They simply have an obsession to make as much money as possible without any concern about the rest of this planet's living things. It seems they even get a perverse sense of satisfaction for destroying as much as they possibly can.
niknarApril 30, 2014 2:27 am
Not sure how trying to help out this hemisphere's poorest nation is so condemnable. Everybody should have the right to express & fund their opinions on climate change, however not in a way that undermines our democracy and drowns out all other opinion. The Koch brothers are all about greed and subverting our legal system so that they can get away without paying taxes: pillaging our land, exhausting our resources, destroying our forests, killing our wildlife, changing our climate, polluting our air, & poisoning all our aquifers from underground water to the oceans with impunity. That is why they're (funding) against everything that helps American people, from universal health care to public education to climate mitigation to income equality. Nobody, and I mean nobody, in the history of our nation & the world, not Hitler, not the Soviet Union, has been more of a threat to our democracy, our economy, or our existence than the Kochs & their ilk.
niknarApril 30, 2014 2:13 am
Including the bit about insiders taking out the twin towers, I agree with virtually everything you said here (except that nobody could approach how pathetic the current Republicans in Congress are, even those disappointing Democrats that Carter had to deal with). You pretty much expressed the feelings I have inside me, so thanks for that! On the other hand, calling people "mullet heads", "cretins" & the like will probably not gain us many converts. But then again, it's a tricky business trying to inform & persuade those who are so ignorant & gullible that they fail to grasp the obvious. So maybe a mixture of cool, calm reasoning with antagonistic, in your face put downs can do the trick. :)
niknarApril 30, 2014 1:56 am
How right you are! Very well said.
ErockerApril 30, 2014 1:50 am
NOx is higher with higher amounts of ethanol in fuel. I don't understand why they are spreading this misinformation. Ethanol is an oxygenator when added to fuel. With the extra oxygen it combines with the nitrogen creating more NOx.
PsalmonApril 29, 2014 10:38 pm
Sources: CDEC for all water data Major reservoirs are CLE, SHA, ORO, BUL, FOL, SNL, NML Rainfall at ORO is at the CDEC page for ORO NWS Sacramento for rain and snow fall Wunderground for Seattle rainfall by month News reports archived for farmer allocations, Sacto Bee, etc. You know rp, the problem is not the sources, it's the data itself that points out the facts, and that's what you can't stand.
joy sujeckiApril 29, 2014 9:27 pm
Thank you for your astute comment. Jimmy Carter is a great man. He tried to deal with the insurance company problem during his presidency and was shot down. There is (or was) a very informative book "The Invisible Bankers" which tells about this. Also, look what he has been able to accomplish with Habitat for Humanity and many other things he has done.
robert paulsenApril 29, 2014 9:02 pm
funny how you don't list any sources for your data, yet you call out an article with verifiable facts as a 'travesty'. do climate change deniers just magically create numbers out of thin air?
AJApril 29, 2014 6:30 pm
You are giving us plenty of information, especially about the inaugural backroom deals by the Dems. Based on the writings herein, you might be preaching to the choir or Republicans that won't read this anyway. Your rant was entertaining, I must say.
AJApril 29, 2014 6:24 pm
It may be that these organizations and people should go to jail for holding back the progress that America should be making in addressing the climate change problem, similar to obstruction of justice. I also think other countries could prosecute the U.S. because some countries (Africa) are not the originators of the greenhouse gases that ultimately affect them.
gscales631April 29, 2014 3:33 pm
So yet another poll showing more support for shale gas than opposition.... Roll on the next election when shale gas will have a democratic mandate. And of course more people support renewables, but what has that go to do with anything??? We support them because it is easy to support them. No one serious is saying we can only have renewables and don't need to build any reserve generation for them. Germany has 90% redundancy for its renewables and we would need this too.
Climate HomeApril 29, 2014 10:42 am
Hi Shalegasexpert, Yacob's view is interesting as he was lead coordinating author on the energy chapter in IPCC WG3, which specifically dealt with shale gas + renewable technologies. He's not dismissing any argument, merely suggesting that the way the IPCC study was reported could be viewed as misleading. And I think on reading the study, it's fairly clear that while shale gas is a short term solution (if it replaces coal), longer term + without CCS it doesn't appear to offer the scale of emission cuts scientists say are needed to avoid dangerous levels of warming. Ed King, RTCC
TruthTellerApril 29, 2014 4:28 am
My God you people are nuts. Do you think you can publish this garbage and no one outside your cult will read it? You've just published a users manual for alarmist conspiracy. You do understand that people are going to figure out that if there are no "events" to trigger policy, maybe the policy isn't necessary? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you did it. I'm going to get more mileage out of exposing this than nearly anything I could have imagined. But I wonder sometimes what color the sky is on your planet.
FatBastage72April 28, 2014 12:00 pm
By 'only politicians' are you talking about the likes of Jimmy Carter and Al Gore? I wouldn't credit political establishments (such as IPeCaC with the intelligence or discipline to successfully manage a conspiracy, 'the cause' are simply defending their pet theory (and their raison d'etre) regardless of how observational evidence refuses to follow the modeled rules. And why would 'the cause' need any of the Koch brother's millions when the gullible warming gravy train steams on very lavishly funded by the billions on offer from government. I suggest you refresh your memory of Occam's Razor old son.
Nick GrealyApril 28, 2014 11:32 am
There were 234 other authors of the report. Were any of them asked for this story? If Nigel Lawson held up one scientists, opinion, even if it was someone of the stature of James Lovelock, and used that to dismiss the entire climate argument, he would be rightly derided by the green community. But if one scientist out of 235 says he disagrees, it's cited by RTCC to dismiss the entire argument too? Both are equally wrong.
AaronApril 28, 2014 8:12 am
The stupidity of the climate deniers that are ridiculing Carter and are in love with the Koch bros. is appalling. What part of the connection between denying climate change and their fossil fuel empire don't these people understand? How could anyone think that it is their 'opinion' that they are expressing by funding the climate denying? Obviously, it's just all about making more money for themselves, they could not care less about truth or the veracity of the science, they just don't want their business to slow down, even if it wrecks the climate. There's not even any debate about climate change among sane, honest people. It's scary how climate deniers surf the internet denying climate change, and they don't have a clue about what they're talking about. If they spent a fraction of that wasted time reading a book now and then, they could converse without just name-calling and have some knowledge to support their points. The Keeling curve which correlates with the warming is so simple to understand.
Paul Buffalo TatankohApril 28, 2014 2:47 am
Hey all you mullet heads don't know much if you think Jimmy Carter is some kind of failure. It was the Democrats that screwed up his term, they didn't like him cause he wasn't a good old boy from their network of places to come from. No, he was peanut farmer from plains GA. So just like the Republcans the night of Obama's win, while he was giving his victory speech they were in some restaurant in DC vowing to not pass a god damn thing he wanted to do. The Democrats the Carter had to work with were no better, but even with all that he was able to put through an energy plant that had we stuck to it we would be at 35% minimum total power in this country would come from solar power. We would be completely independent of foreign oil. Do any of you bone heads know what that means?? Of course not you use your heads for a hat rack and that's about it. It means that we wouldn't have gone to war in iraq for oil and if you think it was to liberate the people that you are more ignorant than I already know you to be. Tell ya something else, I stood right by Jimmy Carter in the flesh after he left the White House and we got that prick Reagan. Carter didn't have some memorial built to stroke his ego like all of the ones in modern times. Including Dubya that couldn't read a book unless it had pop ups in it. Remember that day the insiders took out the twin towers?? Did it look like he even knew how to hold a children's book No, Jimmy Carter started habitat for humanity and he went out there put on his hammer and apron full of nails and helped build those shelters for the poor. I know cause I was right there, Jimmy Carter is about the best human being ever to enter and hold the White House. Please explain to me why it is that so many of YOU PEOPLE have something against good, kind and compassionate people like the Carters?? Cause your stupid that's why. Because you are stupid I am sure that you have no idea about the 6 or so diseases that the Carters helped through their foundation eradicated from the African continent and saved untold Thousands of deaths to children, women and old men. But that doesn't register with you dumb cretins because you would rather vote for someone that will do all the things detrimental to your life. Idiots.
GreenHeartedApril 28, 2014 12:59 am
There is no such thing as being "too focused on climate change." Indeed, our *only* focus beyond day-to-day survival should be climate change. The poor little coal industry ... as though they haven't seen this coming! too focused on climate change too focused on climate change
dragon997April 27, 2014 11:49 pm
There are many comments on other pages which totally reinforced the blatant disregard of life, lives and the sources that support same. It seems that a vast majority of people condone murder, oppression, and abuse for the color and smell of money and or the promise of same. Some even say vote Republican this November. Some even spurt their disdain for Arabs/Muslims. For as long as humanity and so call development has been in existence we have defiled, corrupt, and destroyed one another the environment and the earth causing chaos and destruction not only to ourselves but to others and the country we live in. Rome, Greece, Egypt, Israel, Ethiopia and the list continues, they all have experienced same, [so call call rise and then Downfall} why? Why hasn't Mankind learned from our past ancestors huge mistakes? why have we continued to lie to ourselves and others destroying all that is good? why can't we learned to grow and develop with out this hatred of life and this urge to destroy? why do we continue to take what is not truly ours and claim it for our own creating genocide and pain as we go? Why do we constantly fight to show we have a facade of so call power when none of us have same? We were all born/created meeting everything that is here, we are all interdependent on everyone and everything. We did not bring anything with us other than our soul,and spirit, even our physical body is a loan it does not belong to us. When the destined time comes for us to pass from this journey and consciousness the physical goes whether it is burned or buried, it does not remain with us, neither does anything we gather here and call our own. Jobs, money, bills, so call fame etc, all is passed from us and we are made to answer and pay for all wrong and misdeeds before going to the next level of consciousness what we do and learn here determines our real outcome. so why can't we learn to do it the right way [live the right way] this time? Instead of destruction lets build, build to preserve and move to the next enlightenment. For this time its no joke No-one would be saving us "Man will destroy themselves" and the world as we know it.
svenabApril 27, 2014 10:11 pm
Finally, a US official challenges these villains - the Koch bros. and their criminal activities. These masters of deceit are doing their best to destroy the Western culture, and are willing to go to any length to ensure the flow of petro dollars to their banking accounts. If they happen to kill millions of people in doing so, they couldn't care less. Make 2014 the climate year - and all coming years. http://ufbutv.com/2014/01/11/make-2014-the-climate-year/
nataliaApril 27, 2014 8:42 pm
Dear Gerard, I'ts not like governments "can now" support conventional generation; quite the contrary. the EEA Guidelines are not "inovating" in letting states implement capacity remuneration mechanisms, it's excatly the opposite: while before these mechanisms were allowed under the electricity directive (arts 3 (imposition of puclic service obligations) and 8 (tendering process or other equivalent in transparency and non-discrimination), without necessarily being considered to constitute 'State aid' i.e. not subject to Comission's clearance under arts 106 and 107 TFEU; after april there is the presumption that, as a rule, these mechanisms do constitute State aid and are thus subject to Commission's approval. Furthermore, the conditions they must meet in order to be cleared are a lot more stringent than before. this means that capacity remuneration mechanisms will be much harder to implement from now on.
AaronApril 27, 2014 7:11 am
If China's emissions aren't peaking like right now, then it's gonna be game over really soon. The math is pretty obvious. What worries me, is that they don't seem to worry about having horrible environmental conditions like Westerners, indeed, they seem to just kinda live like that all the time. And I think we'll all have those fabulous conditions quite soon also.
Ken RobertsApril 27, 2014 12:43 am
Carter, a one term president who brought peace to Hati so many times I lost count ! The Koch brothers, like George Soros, have a right to express and fund thier opinions on climate change !
The Journal RomaniaApril 26, 2014 8:51 pm
Hopefully it will get better as the climate is going upside down.
PsalmonApril 26, 2014 8:42 pm
Worse drought since 1500s? Well that's absolute rubbish. Here's major CA reservoir April 1 storage for historic drought years (M acre feet): 2014 8.3 2009 9.8 1991 7.5 1977 4.5 1990 and 1992 were similar to 1991. So 1977 racked up HALF the water storage as this year. 1977 in Sacramento rained just over 7 inches, while its over 10 this year. Lake Oroville locally measured 15 inches of rain Feb, Mar, Apr in three months this year. Seattle WA receive 18.5 inches for the same period and it was a record. To say no significant rain is on the way is also amazingly misleading. Between April 24 and 25, yesterday, the foothills above Folsom Lake, east of Sacramento, received over two inches of rain. Two feet of snow fell at Donner Pass. And they are taking it out on the people and farmers. In 1990-91-92, farmers were allocated 50-25-25 % of normal water. This year, with more storage, 5%. What a travesty of journalism this is.
EverhopeApril 26, 2014 7:42 pm
That should be "Lock up Koch Bros...." They are literally responsible of 10s of thousands of deaths world wide by working to convince people and governments that climate change is a hoax. That's, plain and simple, murder. Should we ever wonder at the motives of billionaires who've gained their wealth on fossil fuels? To say that these people and their cohorts and, yes, "running dogs" in legislative and regulatory agencies, are carbuncles on the ass of humanity is to give them a break. They and their ilk need to be scraped off the worlds hulls and flushed back from whence they came.
CAApril 26, 2014 4:56 pm
Jimmy Carter.... I guess he's the best they can get. Don't you know Carter has a lot of credibility LMAO.
johndances2April 26, 2014 3:17 pm
Would not there be a need to spend billions to build the LNG infrastructure? Cracked gas would have to travel somehow to the terminals, which will be hard to develop due to NIMBY. And wait till the first LNG terminal or ship disaster. It could be a doozy.
Nancy YoungApril 26, 2014 3:13 pm
I applaud his attitude toward fossil fuel but not that toward dangerous and expensive nuclear power.
Mark CrutchleyApril 25, 2014 10:37 am
Of course the growth in emissions is coming from developing countries. That doesn't change the fact that developed countries should take the lead on reductions. US per capita emissions were 16.4 tonnes in 2012 compared to 7.1 tonnes in China and a fraction of that in India. So there remains much more to be done by the US, which together with Europe and Japan is also responsible for the greatest part of historical emissions.
Raymond DeBraneApril 24, 2014 5:08 pm
There's more feedbacks, such as the methane escaping from the arctic and Siberia at ever increasing rates. Methane is a far more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. Another feedback is the acidification of the oceans because they absorb CO2. That is killing off the plankton. Half of all the plankton is dead already. And then there is the 40 year lag between the greenhouse gases we have put into the air and their effect on the climate. We have put about 200 times more greenhouse gases into the air in the last 30 years compared to what we put in since the start of the industrial revolution. And now when the temperature rises enough, plants find it harder to convert CO2 to oxygen, and when it rises further, the plants will die because they can't cope with the higher temperatures. it will be like baking them in an oven. Animals will die because of the heat and because there's no plants to eat. So, when there's no plants and no animails, then there's no food for humans. So in short, I think we've already screwed ourselves and we're done as a species. It's just a question of how soon will things get real bad. Check out Guy McPherson's videos on YouTube if you want to see the most bleak, depressing, and dire predictions by any scientist out there. McPherson is a very nice guy with a horrible message.
CreamOnTopApril 24, 2014 4:19 pm
Yes scientists are turning down the millions on offer to support the Koch position to push a massive conspiracy instead. Do you believe that? That 2 Billionaires pushing the 'truth' cannot get almost any support from science? You can buy doctors for a few 1000 dollars to prescribe rubbish drugs yet they with their Bns cannot get a reputable climate scientist? Only politicians! Ever heard of Occam's Razor?
skhpcolaApril 24, 2014 3:33 pm
the Koch brothers donated over US$ 67million to think-tanks and organisations working on anti-climate agendas Do you grifters and liars realize how absurd you sound to people not deluded by the fantastical (and failed) claims that you screech about continuously? There are no such things as organizations that are "anti-climate." WTF does that even mean? Hahaha! Gadzooks, you folks are retarded. "We want the climate to be gone. Or for it to be "worse." Or something!"
HBMApril 24, 2014 2:35 pm
I love this guy. In my country, South Africa, there's a problem. Politicians and economic advisors contend that any effort to cut on carbon emission will stifle economic growth for developing countries when they (world powers) polluted the world and are all must bear the brunt of not developing our economies.
KevinApril 24, 2014 1:27 pm
Politicians are all short sighted and see only self interests so why is any one surprised that whilst selling off nuclear and becoming dependent on gas from an increasingly hostile Russia, they want to hamstring wind power. Time to stock up on candles when we brown out. However, that will be blamed on somebody else. - part of the not accepting responsibility ethos of government. If only the example of the S. Korean vice principal who committed suicide over guilt at having arranged the fatal trip, was to be made compulsory for politicians.
VladamirApril 24, 2014 12:49 pm
So just to get this straight, George Soros=good and Koch brothers=bad? Why is it every time the left is confronted or beaten using their own tactics they start to whine?
KitApril 24, 2014 12:40 pm
The current Conservative party have no vision other than to retain their voters. Policies are constantly changed, updated, shelved or created with this in mind and no thought for what they will *actually* do. Depressing.
MNHawkApril 24, 2014 12:04 pm
I guess speech is scary to those pushing a fraud. A great way to counter a couple of brothers' speech is with a model that actually works. Try it. It just might work better in convincing people than an un-American attack on the First Amendment.
Adam KellyApril 24, 2014 5:09 am
Look up 'Koch Bros Exposed' on YouTube
derekcolmanApril 24, 2014 1:09 am
Cutting Australian emissions will have no measurable effect on global temperatures, and therefore will not protect Australia from any supposed ill effects of global warming. It will however have a considerable effect on Australia's prosperity, and in the wrong direction.
Arthur DoucetteApril 23, 2014 11:57 am
This is why it won't do anything: Who takes the lead? - To be taken by developed countries, due to their historical emissions and the wide gap of per capita emissions/due to their capacity and historical responsibility - The developed countries have already cut substantially. The GROWTH in CO2 is almost ALL coming from Asia and the ME. US CO2 emissions in Giga tons 2000 - 6,377 2011 - 6,016 = US population increased over 10%, or ~31 million over this decade, yet our CO2 emissions went down 6%. China CO2 emissions over same time frame 2000 - 3,550 2006 - 6,415 Passed US 2012 - 8,979 = population increased 5% but CO2 went up 250% India 2000 - 959 2011 - 1,798 up 89% Middle East 2000 - 1,170 2011 - 2,025 Up 73%
môooooApril 23, 2014 7:09 am
Good for you, we defenetly need people like you running our city's and towns.corruption is what's running the show right now.
SpinyanteaterApril 23, 2014 12:25 am
Seeing as the "science is settled", do you think that you could use the correct terminology. 'Decarbonising' infers the removal of all CARBON which includes all life on earth, we are after all a carbon-based life form. Carbon's that black stuff like you get on lamps. Perhaps you should clarify that what they are hoping to achieve is the removal of CARBON DIOXIDE (CO2) the removal of which would effectively end all plant life. Of course you would also have to stop all living things breathing as well. Humans expell 40.000 ppm with each breath, let alone all the other animals on earth.
Smarter than Your Average BearApril 22, 2014 12:39 am
You only have to look at the Middle East and North Africa to see where wars over shared water resources are very likely to happen in the not so distant future. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_conflict_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa - Then also consider what will happen in Asia when the Himalayan glaciers are mostly gone - that water provides for a lot of countries - like northern India, and Pakistan for starters. It's early in the scenario but warming are escalating rapidly so the tensions over resources will as well.
FroddoislostApril 21, 2014 5:46 pm
Andy; you don't get it. The military can prepare all they want. If its true then great, but our ability to adapt and prepare is inherently hindered by military expenditure. As far as it goes; very few places on the planet ever exceed 104 degrees F. And, of those that do, most don't stay there for more than a couple of hours. The planet's average temp is somewhere around 58 F, and the current warming being well less than 1.5 F degrees, per NASA GISS data set, the increased amount of time any part of the earth will spend in excess of 104 F is negligible. Further; the global surface temperature anomaly is currently 0.17C, per the UAH satellite based temperature data set, compared to the 1979 mean. Get that? 35 years, .17 degrees. That's 0.51 per CENTURY. Nevermind that it hasn't increased at all in 17 years. Yes; little known fact; the earth has not warmed in 17 years. In Trenberth's own words; "We cannot account for a lack of warming, and its a travesty that we can't." Or, in Mike Mann's case; "Hide the decline." Study this. Learn what the science has to say, because the journalists and the activist "scientists" (sic) are not telling the full story.
AndyApril 19, 2014 7:04 pm
"I wonder if they realize . . . warmer temps are strongly correlated with better crop production." At 104 degrees F, photosynthesis stops. I don't claim to know everything (or much), but it is not as simple as you or I surmise. Plants, fish, animals have temperature ranges. We are very adaptable, and we assume everything else is too. However, plants just can't catch a flight to a new area. Fish are mobile, and are migrating now. I think people arguing this is worthless, it is very polarized, and we need to see the outcome to determine who was correct. The military is determined to have all options covered (I like this). Wouldn't is suck if they were right in the end, you were wrong and they did nothing as you desire? Then we lose big time. If you are right and they are wrong, we still win. That is what they are doing, protecting our kids future by simply covering all bases. I thank them for that. I've always respected the laws of physics.
TenneyNaumerApril 19, 2014 7:03 pm
I wonder if you realize that all crop plants have temperature limits beyond which they no longer produce food -- these limits are already being reached in parts of Africa, and certainly during the 2012 heat wave in the American Midwest.
00TATEXASApril 17, 2014 12:47 pm
All this has been said in the past. How about this when this does not play out as any more extreme as a naturally occuring situation these alledged scientist admit they were wrong and are just scare mongers looking for thier next grant or liberal cocktail party to go to.
BuggerthatApril 17, 2014 12:45 pm
Cue up another spew of Denialist lies and stupidity.
Mel HarteApril 17, 2014 1:00 am
The heat, however, must have gone somewhere -- was it, as in the Pacific, simply absorbed into deeper layers due to cyclic differences in the weather, such as wind? Just saying that it's in a phase of cooler surface temperatures conveys very little information.
James DunnApril 17, 2014 12:39 am
Correction: The total mass of the Jupiter/Mars Asteroid belt is 1/35 the mass of the Earth's moon.
James DunnApril 17, 2014 12:36 am
Building a global Weather Control System is an active method of compensating for Volcanic off-gassing, rice crops methane release, livestock methane, human septic system methane release, keep methane in permafrost bound/frozen.... and can rebuild the ice caps. In addition to providing scheduled rain, prevent tornados, and control hurricanes (mild hurricanes required for ecological diversity). http://global-energy-system.pbworks.com The same system can be used to terra-form Venus by lowering the atmospheric temperatures and condensing much of the toxic components in the atmosphere. Alternatively, catalysts can use the elements in the atmosphere to convert carbon dioxide to oxygen and other hydrocarbons. Of course we need to confirm first there is no life living within the Venus environment that we can as yet not see due to dense cloud formations. In the Venusian atmosphere, Aerogels float. So instrumentation need not necessarily be deployed on the surface of Venus. Mars has to be terra-formed in caverns because the gravity (38% of Earth) is insufficient to support an atmosphere at human friendly pressures. The total mass of the Jupiter/Mars asteroid belt is 1/3 of the Earth's moon. Three of Jupiter's moons would need to merge with Mars to have sufficient gravity to sustain a human friendly atmosphere. Both Mars and Venus have about 97% carbon dioxide atmospheres. But due to the low gravity on Mars most of the atmosphere has been blown away by the Sun. Venus is 90% of the Earth's gravity and it holds its' atmosphere despite the Sun. Venus is closer to the Sun, so the potential for producing space-based solar energy is attractive. The Mars atmosphere at ground level is equivalent to our atmospheric pressures at 125,000 feet above sea level. Winged aircraft have flown at that altitude, but not many. We suffocate above 12,000 feet above sea level. To fly aircraft at some altitude above ground could easily exceed what we consider 200,000 feet above sea level here. Almost no oxygen on Mars, so solar energy is the only source of sustainable fuel. The highest a solar powered vehicle has flown is 85,000 feet, far short of that needed by Mars. Seems like the carbon dioxide conversion technologies and satellite shade structures can both save the Earth, and terra-form Venus.
Michelle ThomassonApril 16, 2014 8:50 am
The design of the landscape within the city's footprint is also important. Simple actions such as lining streets with trees (drought resistant) will not only help clean the air but will also help to reduce street temperatures. Hundreds of years ago the Moors knew how to use running water, tree mass and wind flows to create air conditioning in public places and buildings and best of all these skills did not require heavy fossil fuel use! We should relearn and reapply these aids in modern urban design along the transit corridors, thinking the problems through as if there was no energy on tap might help to change the mind set.
Gerard WynnApril 15, 2014 6:22 pm
cool sounds good; i think you are right that the terrestrial carbon sink is working to absorb some fossil fuel CO2 emissions but not all, clearly, as atmospheric levels are rising. and for sure rising CO2 is expected to lead to higher crop yields in C3 plants, but i understand from various published journal articles that only calories will incease proportionally with higher crop yields, not nutrient and protein levels. am afraid you wld have to take up the reasons for that with the authors of those articles. hope that helps
Gerard WynnApril 15, 2014 6:17 pm
hi there the article doesnt say these quotes from the SPM - theyre from the IPCC report, you have to go to the supporting chapters. am happy to supply guidance “It would be very hard to attain widely discussed goals of stabilizing warming at 1.5 or 2 degrees without almost immediate and full participation in international agreements that coordinate substantial emission reductions." CHAPTER 1 PAGE 14 http://report.mitigation2014.org/drafts/final-draft-postplenary/ipcc_wg3_ar5_final-draft_postplenary_chapter1.pdf “A defining characteristic of the climate change issue is that most its sources are truly global. Even the biggest emitters are mostly affected by emissions from other countries rather than principally their own pollution.” CHAPTER 1 PAGE 41 “The Cancun Pledges correspond to scenarios that explicitly delay mitigation through 2020. The Cancun Pledges are broadly consistent with scenarios reaching 550 parts per million.” TECHNICAL SUMMARY PAGE 29 http://report.mitigation2014.org/drafts/final-draft-postplenary/ipcc_wg3_ar5_final-draft_postplenary_technical-summary.pdf “Studies estimate that the financial transfers to ameliorate this asymmetry (between emissions cuts and historical responsibility) could be in the order of hundred billions of U.S. dollars per year before mid-century.” TECHNICAL SUMMARY PAGE 33 “Depending on definitions and approaches, climate finance flows to developing countries are estimated to range from $39-120 billion per year during the period 2009 to 2012.” TECHNICAL SUMMARY PAGE 98 hope that helps Gerard
Robin_GuenierApril 15, 2014 12:03 pm
You report the IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri as saying: “... the high speed mitigation train would need to leave the station very soon, and all of global society would need to get on board”. Hmm ... that must be a different IPCC chairman from the one (also called Rajendra Pachauri) who, in 2007, said: "If there’s no action before 2012, that’s too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment." http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/17/science/earth/17cnd-climate.html?pagewanted=print
AaronApril 15, 2014 6:53 am
Not good. Here we go...positive feedback loop time, big time
Robin_GuenierApril 14, 2014 6:41 pm
Gerard: That's odd. This article contains six items within quotations marks - implying that they're quotations from the recently published AR5 WG III SPM. Yet I cannot locate any of them in that report. All are important: I'd appreciate guidance. Here's an example (immediately after the Christiana Figueres tweet): "It would be very hard to attain widely discussed goals of stabilizing warming at 1.5 or 2 degrees without almost immediate and full participation in international agreements that coordinate substantial emission reductions." If that's what the IPCC said, it would be of the greatest significance. But - so far as I can see - it didn't say it.
hey geeApril 14, 2014 5:49 pm
Perhaps the notion that CO2 is being portrayed as a "pollutant" in the global warming scam should be examined a little more. The propaganda always shows chimneys belching smoke (never mind that CO2 is odorless and colorless.) This of course benefits the rent seekers and speculators who will directly benefit from the bizarre government created carbon markets. Moreover, the beneficial effects of CO2 cited by the people who do not support the scam are much more than theory and propaganda. Continuing satellite observations show that increasing atmospheric CO2, has been literally greening the planet. Measurements over the past 30 years record a major increase in vegetation across the world's land area, including equatorial regions such as the Amazon rain Forest. A quantity called the "Normalized Difference Vegetation Index" is used to monitor plant growth, vegetation cover, and biomass production. It shows a considerable net "greening" of the earth, due largely to increased atmospheric CO2. The global warming cabal has been dominated by poor science feeding a reinforcing political process for too long. The world has stopped warming for close to two decades now forcing the warmers to scurry around for explanations and excuses. There are no trends in extreme weather events, despite the astrology that now feeds the attempts to make everything that happens fit the dogma. We should bear these realities in mind when our elected and appointed public servants, rent seeking corporations, grant seeking academics, and "mainstream" news outlets try to tell us otherwise.
AaronApril 13, 2014 6:34 pm
Soo an actor who flies in a plane and has a cheese burger means that global warming is false? And 98% of international scientists are also all wrong because an actor ate a burger? Wow, that's about the dumbest thing I've ever read.
Tim GmanApril 11, 2014 11:50 am
Wow , lets see how well this "Travels"
AaronApril 10, 2014 7:16 pm
So that's like .001% of the endowment? Wow. Another illogical thing is that Faust's big thing is like that Harvard is the leader in building a better mousetrap, so they might discover the next big thing in renewable tech. O.K., then what effect would that have on your fossil fuels stock value? This is really sad that she can just go on lying, call it what it is, about this. I mean, is Harvard a school or a business? This sends a horribly anti-educational, anti-science, anti-future message to the students.
PopsApril 10, 2014 6:40 pm
Well, Ford's a great role model.... Harrison Ford Flies Jet To Buy Cheese Burger! Read more at: http://www.boldsky.com/insync/2010/harrison-flies-jet-burger-260210.html
HipnosisApril 10, 2014 3:26 pm
Wasn't Harrison Ford the guy who said he often flew up the coast just to get a hamburger? People who live large telling the rest of us how to live small. Keep believing in your silly superstition. Global warming.. the biggest hoax of all time.
Robert VincinApril 10, 2014 10:26 am
I sat on UNCTAD UNFCCC helping set up IPCC 96-01. Since then a mass array of representatives from Nations attend the COPs few understand the history . Kyoto science based set a protocol to offset 300 yrs of anthropogenic CO2e emissions covering land use land clearing in mostly now desert nations home to 3 billion people. Well explained the model of planting-out the the 2-4% of vegetation capable of sequestering CO2e in financial terms, actually makes money, plus the correct vegetation grows soil soil-carbon then food fodder and forestry especially in these desert impacted nations. Proven models in Australia PRC replicating nature if applied in say Africa within the briefest of time Nations of Africa could sequester CO2e meet the UN 100yr rule reverse deserts to grow life sustaining food fodder forestry. The only impediment is a UN coordinated access to teach Teachers to teach Farmers Herders to reverse deserts with the CO2 sequestering vegetation to grow soil. Nature without man has following mass volcanic eruption witnesses reparation over a million yrs+. Our models show such can be well advanced within years engaging the folks in poverty even drought also sharing in UNFCCC CO2e offsets to the "developed world emitters". Needs planning but is the solution for the UNSG pressure
John fatlandApril 10, 2014 10:10 am
It is beautiful to see one of the most influential people on this planet adress the single biggest problem we have ever faced!
Kay<3earthApril 9, 2014 12:50 pm
True, the world is full of people who either are unaware or do not care about the environment and our Earth, how we can protect it. We need to work ourselves, as individuals and as a whole to spread awareness and give people a reason to care. Somehow, someday I hope our efforts will not be in vain and the world as a whole will realize that together we can make a true resounding difference.
pillonApril 8, 2014 11:51 am
Take a look here for National Grid power sources, realtime and historically. Now also includes Solar PV on the hourly pages.
ineedairApril 7, 2014 9:01 am
What do you expect in a machaivellian society. They aren't interested in possible harmful effects. They are only interested in a solution whereby they can make a ton of money, regardless of any devastating effects it might have.
ineedairApril 7, 2014 8:54 am
There are actually many errors in this article. “No climate-related geo-engineering activities that may affect biodiversity take place, until there is an adequate scientific basis on which to justify such…with the exception of small scale scientific research studies that would be conducted in a controlled setting.” - Are these people even awake? How can they not realize our entire globe is 100% climate engineered already! And has been for decades. Do they never look up at the sky? Do they not notice our blue skies are GONE? Are they under mind control? Geoengineering is destroying the planet. We don't have another two years to stop this. We are already at the tipping point of the earth in feedback loops. If they wait another two years to stop this crime against humanity, there may not be enough of us left to even implement any kind of climate change mitigation. These people need to wake up fast or get someone in their place who IS awake.
paulhoganApril 7, 2014 5:13 am
What a load of tripe.
Anthony ZaragozaApril 6, 2014 7:19 pm
Hi John, I don't think this is Elk River, WV. Its a dramatic picture and I wanted to use it in this context too, but in looking around at Beebe's work trying to get some comment or caption from him I found that it's Elk River, WA. So, I think you'll need to change your picture. Seems there are plenty of others to chose from and this doesn't necessarily draw your conclusions into doubt. Here's the link to Beebe's work that led me to this conclusion: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/10401114 In Solidarity, Anthony Zaragoza
Gordon ChamberlainApril 4, 2014 5:33 pm
Aviation corporations lobby for delay, disregard to threats of global climate destabilisation, #ecocide? Does global climate destabilisation pose a threat to the web of life, to national security, to humanity? What would criminal negligence by politicians in response to these threats look like? Disregard, ignoring, human impact, ecological and scientific accounting fraud? We had better figure it out that some of political leaders are capable of colluding with corporations who have sabotage our efforts to address global climate destabilisation, what must come be viewed as criminal, as ecocide, causing extensive damage to the environment , the web of life. The campaign to prosecute ecocide has begun , find out more at www.eradicatingecocode.com
AndreasApril 4, 2014 1:10 pm
"The aviation sector is responsible for around 5% of global carbon emissions, a figure expected to rise to 15% later this century". What is your source for these numbers...?
Ray Del ColleApril 4, 2014 12:30 pm
"Methane isn't the main culprit behind long-term warming. It stays in the atmosphere for a decade, whereas carbon dioxide can remain for hundreds of years." http://clmtr.lt/c/FhV0Bbk0cMJ
AdamApril 4, 2014 12:40 am
The IPCC’s report does NOT say that some 15% of Pacific islands will be wiped out by 1m sea level rise, as the headline proclaims and as the article implies. That is another study that makes this claim. By conflating the two, the article is misleading, and does a disservice to what’s a very important issue.
Marty JonesApril 3, 2014 10:00 am
Why would anyone trust the war regime to do anything to support the climate change regime?
Marty JonesApril 3, 2014 9:49 am
So the agreement is that the EU agrees to do all it can to combat climate change and in return the USA will stick to its minimalist effort in reducing their own emissions. An all round success then? Does anyone really believe that the regime at the bottom of so many conference and protocol manipulations will suddenly become reasonable?
Leif Erik KnutsenApril 1, 2014 5:12 pm
The fossil fuel industry is quick to point out that if environmental constraints force the fossil industry to leave much of the remaining fossil reservers in the ground they face serious economic losses. On this point I would agree. However not to the degree that I feel sorry for them. The Fossil industry has made its bets and must take its lumps. It may be hard to believe but others face cumulative losses even greater than the fossil industry and no one is even talking about them, but should. There is very serious drought in the SW & California and the the Nation can be looking at the very real problem of climate refugees from those areas in fairly large numbers, relatively soon. Add in the climate refugee folks from around the world losing Nations, waters, (both for irrigation and drinking), coastal lands, bread baskets, infrastructure, ecosystems, businesses, farms, homes, forests, health and even lives and one can quickly see the "stranded assets" of "We the People" becomes significant indeed. If those climate refugees are environmentally forced to leave those assets they become worthless equity. I would add that the fossil industry funding of the denier sphere and GOPollutocrat enablers are compounding the carnage by funding against reasonable mitigation policies. This is market manipulation depressing the value of investments in the Green Awakening Economy. (illegal?) So suck it up ecocide fossil Barons and the #Pollutocrats you enable. It is the American way.
Leif Erik KnutsenApril 1, 2014 5:11 pm
I think that the Koch Denier-Sphere is nothing more than a "business strategy" to keep the Green Awakening Economy depressed as the Big $$$ Boys continue to amass Fossil wealth while the getting is good and then they will be able to pounce upon any promising green programs that have survived the B$$$B assault and claim them for themselves at the depressed value they themselves forced. Thus be able to paint their grave stones Green. When people unite #pollutocrats take flight.
depamelaereApril 1, 2014 1:36 pm
'Keeping up appearance's ...': Every European country claims to limit victims of car-accidents using plenty of speed-controls and other 'easy sources' of taxes. Air-pollution kills TEN TIMES more people as car-accidents. Not one European country uses it's tax-systems to limit air-pollution. Belgium, France and Luxembourg even misuse their tax systems to force diesel-driving. Let's get serious about 'invisible' air-pollution, killing by far more people (10 x) as 'over-visualised' car-accidents. Dr.Christophe Depamelaere - Belgium.
William AdamsApril 1, 2014 12:21 pm
Will this deal with US benefit the Netherlands as we know that the financial position of country is not very much strong. Accountant Rotterdam
Mark RichardsonApril 1, 2014 9:15 am
Twelve things to consider about the IPCC report. First: The IPCC report did not include the massive recent increase in Arctic natural methane emissions on the grounds that it was less than 3 years old. http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/12/climate-reports-huge-omission-obscures-full-danger.html http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-biggest-story-of-2013.html http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-time-has-come-to-spread-the-message.html http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/12/act-now-on-methane.html https://sites.google.com/site/runawayglobalwarming/the-non-disclosed-extreme-arctic-methane-threat Second: University of Pennsylvania climate scientist Michael Mann made climate change findings in the last month that have included the Arctic natural methane threat that forecast exceeding a 2 degree Celsius rise from pre-Industrial age temperatures by 2036, which means that it is too late to prevent exceeding a rise in-excess of 2 C. Because it takes about 30 years for atmospheric carbon emissions to be naturally absorbed and become nearly climate impact neutral, and we only have 22 years until 2036, even if we were to cut global carbon emission by 100% tomorrow, the earliest positive impact on additional warming would be beyond 2036. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-will-cross-the-climate-danger-threshold-by-2036/ Third: The growth in carbon dioxide emissions in 2013 was the largest ever recorded: http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2014/02/co2-growth-highest-on-record.html Fourth: A scientific assessment has already been made concerning what the impact of global temperature rise on a per degree Celsius basis, which shows massive dislocation of above one billion people at a rise of 4 degrees Celsius. http://globalwarming.berrens.nl/globalwarming.htm Fifth: This recent post made by British climate scientist John Davies: [quote] "There is a very grave crisis in the Arctic which might only be resolved if the world uses geo-engineering to cool the Arctic and there are drastic cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. Failing that most life on earth is doomed including humanity with devastating climate catastrophe starting no later than 2015 and a runaway Greenhouse Event starting in 2014. The warming of the Arctic seems likely to lead to the total melting of the Arctic Sea Ice in late summer no later than the summer of 2018 and to massive release of Methane from the melting of Methane Hydrates beneath the ESAS by the same date leading to runaway Global Warming and the end of most life on earth. In 2018, and probably before, the Arctic will be much warmer and the rate of Methane emissions by 2016 will cause alarm worldwide. In 2016 it will probably no longer be possible to prevent a runaway greenhouse event. The problem is that until after a runaway event has started, drastic climate impacts will not occur, so most people will not be alarmed by the situation. Nonetheless, immediate action is essential to cool the arctic. Humanity may be able to prevent this from occurring, if drastic action is taken almost immediately, but if we don’t react then this will very rapidly become a runaway Greenhouse Event and out of our control. We must drastically reduce Greenhouse Gas emissions and take action to cool the arctic". [end quote] This statement is supported by: Prof. Peter Wadhams, Sam Carana, Paul Beckwith, Malcolm Light, John Nissen, Albert Kallio, Annie Mond, Carl Vilbrandt Sixth: This post made by climate scientist Sam Carana: [quote] "While most efforts to contain global warming focus on ways to keep global temperature from rising with more than 2°C, a polynomial trendline already points at global temperature anomalies of 5°C by 2060. Even worse, a polynomial trend for the Arctic shows temperature anomalies of 4°C by 2020, 7°C by 2030 and 11°C by 2040, threatening to cause major feedbacks to kick in, including albedo changes and methane releases that will trigger runaway global warming that looks set to eventually catch up with accelerated warming in the Arctic and result in global temperature anomalies of 20°C+ by 2050". [end quote] https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153529185720161&set=a.10150592349770161.675455.655795160&type=1 Seventh: Potential for all-time record El Nino this summer: http://robertscribbler.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/monster-el-nino-emerging-from-the-depths-nose-of-massive-kelvin-wave-breaks-surface-in-eastern-pacific/ Eighth: Arctic sea-ice death spiral? Arctic to be ice-free by 2016? http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/may/02/white-house-arctic-ice-death-spiral Ninth: This study on the Permian extinction and parallels to today. http://robertscribbler.wordpress.com/2013/08/12/a-deadly-climb-from-glaciation-to-hothouse-why-the-permian-triassic-extinction-is-pertinent-to-human-warming/ Tenth: $60 trillion economic cost of Arctic warming http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/24/world/climate-arctic-methane/ Eleventh: Collapse of industrial civilization irreversible. (NASA) http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists Twelfth: Arctic sea-ice breaking up two months early amid 4.21 degree Celsius Siberian temperature anomaly: http://robertscribbler.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/arctic-sea-ice-breaking-up-as-heat-anomaly-spikes-to-4-21-degrees-celsius-above-average/ And one more item about rapid ice melt in Greenland for good measure: http://robertscribbler.wordpress.com/2014/03/17/nature-human-warming-now-pushing-entire-greenland-ice-sheet-into-the-ocean/ Frankly, if we do our homework, and only consider the recent IPCC report as a part of our research rather than all of it, let's just hope that Michael Mann is correct rather than the Arctic researchers at the International Arctic Research Center and Peter Wadhams, et. al. are, otherwise our kids very likely will not survive their entire natural lives on the surface of our only planet. Have we all seen this recent interview of climate scientist Guy McPherson by Thom Hartmann? I would recommend watching it too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZjaEE0_MOk
DSarahMarch 30, 2014 10:28 pm
I thought the same thing! I looked further and it seems that during the recent period of La Niña enough water was transported from sea to land to counter both SLR contributions from the steric component (increase in SLR from thermal expansion - including that of the missing heat that is accumulating in the deep ocean) and mass component (glacial melting), thus making it seem as though the SLR rate slowed down post 2003. This writer does a better job at explaining that part (no offence RTCC): http://www.gulf-times.com/opinion/189/details/385716/climate-scientists-solve-sea-level-puzzle Bonus: if you want access to the original paper it's here: http://etienne.berthier.free.fr/download/Cazenave_et_al_NCC_2014.pdf
fereydoun barkeshliMarch 30, 2014 10:48 am
Its now eight decades since we first heard of Hotelling and his exhaustible resource theory where oil would be depleted within twenty years.Later Dr.Schbert added weight to and exclaimed that world will be without oil before the turn of century.However currently there is still excess of supply over demand while some 2.5 M/B/D of Iranian crude oil is out of market and probably part of Russian crude will be sanctioned by the United States and Europe.Having said the above I believe that technology factor is often undermined and that innovations in exploraton and development provides great opportunities for more oil.
JanearthloverMarch 29, 2014 5:05 pm
Describing this in terms of economics and politics leaves us failing. Describing this in terms of us being human is the only way to save lives.
Kenneth LundgreenMarch 29, 2014 3:06 pm
Oops. I mean New Orleans. no no I mean Houston.No I got it now: Boston! NYC? Baltimore? Philly? Not Greenland?
Kenneth LundgreenMarch 29, 2014 3:01 pm
What happens in Greenland stays in Miami
WSG57March 29, 2014 11:53 am
Yep - that is the way to win the debate -silence any dissent - remember I used the Eco-Fascist term with good reason.
WSG57March 29, 2014 3:57 am
"Decarbonisation" - WOW! Wonder if Ms G and the true believers of the AGW HOAX have ever heard of the Krebs Cycle ?!? Wonder if any of them exhale ? Wonder if they see the sun rise in the east everyday? Nah- that stupid star thingy simply can't influence weather and climate - ONLY man can do that - Sarc/ off . FACT warmists, - the earth's climate is dynamic and always has been - check the geologic record. Rocks do NOT lie, nor do they need government grants, nor do they have political and economic agendas tied to destroying Freedom, Free Markets, the US Constitution and Bill Of Rights, Private Property and INdividual Sovereignty. One last thing Ms G and all you eco-fascists - Molon Labe ! There are tens of millions of us in the US who will NOT be made serfs .
CBMarch 28, 2014 9:25 pm
Nor will it, if it is to be relied upon. Science does not deal in absolutes. What you're thinking of is religion.
windy2March 28, 2014 2:39 pm
This is contrary to the facts where I live. The air in Chicago Has NEVER been cleaner than it is now. Growing up I rarely was able to see the skyscrapers in the Loop from 5 miles away and today they are visible every day from 20 miles. Nuclear power generation has done wonders for us but green special interest groups around the world are forcing the shut down of nuclear power and countries like Germany and Japan are switching back to fossil fuels for ON DEMAND energy needed to back up intermittent green energy. The increase in deaths from increased energy poverty caused by energy made too expensive by inefficient green energy in Germany for example, is also leading to more deaths. The IPCC is very biased in cherry picking on this issue and which models they use for projections.
Robert VincinMarch 28, 2014 6:21 am
For 20 yrs UNFCCC assembles with a passing parade of new governments' figures and little comprehension on carbon cycle or the narrow array of vegetation to convert CO2e to soil soil-carbon. What is needed is leadership with hands-on expertise. The UN as a collective should unite relate CO2 build-up to poverty, desertification, and wars. Sequester CO2e into anthropogenic deserts grow soil, food, fodder and in time as soil grows, forestry. Well planned and managed via UN based emission trading accounting a recovery of desert impacted nations they store CO2 for 100yrs paid share of credit income. They restore self worth and the income they buy the Wests goods will see, bottom up recovery of global Banking. As I say well planned cost is about 00.5 GDP when you add no more aid food fodder for all and transpiration and other cycle back working.
ReduceGHGsMarch 28, 2014 5:01 am
Too many republicons in the U.S. Congress can't see climate change. They wear their custom fossil fuel industry glasses. Join the efforts to get rid of them. Apathy/inaction effectively advocates more of the same. More of the same puts people at risk. www.ExhaustingHabitability.com
mememineMarch 28, 2014 2:37 am
Prove me wrong; not one IPCC warning says; "will be".
TheDoctorMarch 27, 2014 7:50 pm
They were wrong about predicting an ice-free Arctic summer in 2013, but we're supposed to believe them about 2050. Right.........
Lana LangMarch 27, 2014 7:35 pm
As recent articles in Nature Climate Change have pointed out, mitigation ambition needs to improve significantly if we are to avoid loss and damage under a scenario of 4 degrees of warming. The limits and barriers to adaptation highlight the need for mitigation of emissions to avoid the worst impacts of climate change. Also, under a catastrophic scenario of 3 or 4 degrees of warming, it will be difficult to get any compensation pledges from developed countries, as they will be in a dire situation themselves.
Rudy HaugenederMarch 27, 2014 4:33 pm
America and the EU will also suffer dramatically -- militarily, socially and economically -- as Climate Change accelerates from its already rapid change. Add to that the threat of natural disaster, especially in the United States which aside from tornados and an occasional hurricane, has so far been spared major disasters like huge volcanoes (Mt Baker and Mt Rainier in the Pacific northwest are due if not overdue), powerful earthquakes that lay the North American west coast to waste and also the overdue one near/along in the east and which will wreak untold havoc because of geology and the total lack of preparation. And there are other types of natural disasters that await like really big droughts that turn the continent's interior in dry scrub unable to support crops of any kind, especially due to an already increasing lack of water. Once Climate Change suddenly, almost overnight, kicks into really fast gear, anarchy and savagery predictably follow.
Lana LangMarch 27, 2014 1:06 pm
I am really concerned that the push towards a "50:50 balance between mitigation and adaptation over time" in the GCF might push us further towards disaster. Under the Fast Start, about 70% went to mitigation and 20% to adaptation. If the funds are pushed from mitigation to adaptation, it will make climate change EVEN MORE severe because mitigation will not be sufficient. Have the decision makers and NGO's even thought about this?
Lana LangMarch 27, 2014 1:01 pm
Does not the evidence of loss and damage also point towards the need to reduce emissions? If climate change is kept to around 2 degrees then the damage will be less severe. Why is it not mentioned in this article? In light of this, it seems a bit foolish that the Green Climate Fund has said it will give balanced allocation to adaptation and mitigation. Since we know there are limits to adaptation, giving more finance to adaptation, at the expense of mitigation, is going to propel us faster towards catastrophic loss and damage! Also, if we get to 3 or 4 degrees of warming, then there will not be any funds available for compensation to developing countries. At this point, developed countries will just be thinking about themselves. All this demonstrates the continued need for mitigation.
Diogenes60025March 26, 2014 8:14 pm
Coal power is all that can save Europe from freezing in the dark.
RiphardMarch 26, 2014 4:12 pm
Will the USA be present at that conference 2015 in Paris? Is there any hope that they will finally sign something this time?
AnnaMarch 26, 2014 2:16 am
I'm horrified at the insensitive remarks here. We are all experiencing climate change, everyone can see it, even here in europe, and we all know it's us causing it. I feel great compassion for those at the brunt end of our human stupidity! Am so sorry some of us humans are so unpleasant and ignorant. xx
Robin_GuenierMarch 25, 2014 7:01 pm
Thanks, Ed - in fact RTCC is fairly quick compared with sites that can take forever. For example, I posted something on tcktcktck yesterday and am still waiting for it to appear. But you know I don't really understand why moderation is necessary on sites such as this. It seems to me that the best and most lively discussions are held where there is no moderation. It's odd to have an invitation to 'start the discussion', to try to do just that ... and then to find that nothing happens.
Climate HomeMarch 25, 2014 4:27 pm
Sorry Robin - all posts are individually vetted before they are approved, so there's sometimes a time lag between posting and going live. All up now - Ed King, RTCC
MikeNMarch 25, 2014 2:21 pm
This article appears to contradict itself. If sea level rise is roughly the same in the 2000s as the 1990s, and yet there is unpredicted levels of heat going into the ocean, and heated oceans expand, then why isn't sea level rising faster? The missing heat is supposed to be going into the oceans, which would require it to actually heat the oceans. Yet the observed reality is less sea level rise, explained away as natural variation. Then how can you claim more heat in the ocean?
Robin_GuenierMarch 25, 2014 1:17 pm
That's odd, Gerard: I posted a reply to this an hour or so ago and it cleared moderation - but now it's disappeared. Anyway, what I said was that I used the National Bureau of Statistics of China for my GDP figures (see link below) and I would guess that's what China is most likely to refer to if challenged. In any case (I added), China has always been clear that that it will not regard its 'carbon intensity" pledge as a binding commitment. So, however you look at it, it seems we must expect China's CO2 emissions (already 27% of global emissions and more than the US and Europe combined **) to continue to grow - although (as your article says) probably less rapidly than before. ** http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/meth_reg.html (Go to ‘Preliminary 2011 and 2012 Global & National Estimates.)
Robin_GuenierMarch 25, 2014 10:30 am
Gerard: as you can see from the link I've now provided, I was using data from the National Bureau of Statistics of China. I expect those are the data on which China relies. And, in any case, China refuses to accept a binding commitment even to the carbon intensity 'target'. It seems inevitable that, by 2020, its CO2 emissions will have increased substantially. Best - Robin
Paul MatthewsMarch 25, 2014 9:59 am
"Climate conspiracy"? Sounds like good material for Stephan Lewandowsky's next paper.
Robin_GuenierMarch 25, 2014 8:39 am
Data for above: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/gross-national-product http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/meth_reg.html (For 2005, go to ‘Historical Global Estimates’ and for 2012, go to ‘Preliminary 2011 and 2012 Global & National Estimates’.) This means that, if China's economy grows at only 5% pa (8% today) and the GDP/emissions ratio is unchanged, it would by 2020 increase its 2012 emissions by 50%, yet still meet its carbon intensity target.
Ray Del ColleMarch 24, 2014 9:35 pm
"Nine of the 10 hottest years on record have occurred since 2002." http://clmtr.lt/c/EMA0H0cMJ
Gerard WynnMarch 24, 2014 5:10 pm
hi - I am using GDP measured in constant international dollars, to remove the effects of inflation, which needs to be removed since it does not apply to the other side of the equation (physical CO2 emissions). Would that help explain the difference? cheers Gerard
TheChuckrMarch 24, 2014 5:02 pm
And the laws of thermodynamics are also non-negotiable, in this case, the 2nd Law. Whatever heat is stored in the deep ocean, assuming it can be measured accurately, and further assuming a creditable mechanism exists to get it there, and lastly, assuming a creditable mechanism exists to bring it to the surface, the heat will be diluted by cooler water limiting any increase in surface temperature of the oceans and thus limiting any potential increase in air temperature.
Robin_GuenierMarch 24, 2014 3:52 pm
My understanding is that in 2005 China's GDP was 19 trillion RNB and its CO2 emissions were1600 TTCE (thousand tons of carbon equivalent) - i.e. 84 TTCE for one trillion RNB. In 2012, GDP had grown to 53 trillion RNB and CO2 emissions to 2600 TTCE - i.e. 49 TTCE for one trillion RNB. That's a 42% reduction in 'carbon intensity'. If these figures (rounded) are correct, China has already achieved its 2020 carbon intensity target, while increasing emissions by 62%. That's very different from the World Bank conclusion above. Which is correct?
Larry OliverMarch 24, 2014 2:34 am
*sigh* more recycled claims. After the first thousand or so times the first paragraph from RealOldOne2 should be worn out from being debunked. Are you some sort of software bot, sadly repeating claims that were destroyed as non-factual years ago? Please go to the datasets and show us where things are falsified or non-empirical. Several are publicly available. Support your argument or go away please.
CJMarch 23, 2014 8:02 pm
Is the US Army now conducting a war against poor people and children? Higher fuel prices = more poor people = more children dying but to add insult to injury denying the poor access to cheap and reliable energy from fossil fuel to lower CO2 emmisions wil do nothing to mitigate climate change. the historical record over a million years shows that CO2 was 10X higher than today when the temperatures were both lower and high which completly blows apart the theory that CO2 is the primary culprit responsible for climate change.
CiccioMarch 23, 2014 4:12 pm
The counties listed all have one major disaster in common and it is all 100% man made. Overpopulation. Even in the best of times agriculture in those countries was marginal but when the population multiplies by ten in fifty years, without additional land water or infrastructure life is likely to turn into a disaster. When Pakistan became independent in 1948, it had a population of about 30 million. Today it close to 200 million.
ruralcounselMarch 23, 2014 2:53 pm
This takes stupid to a whole new level. The military is supposed to handle changing conditions. It doesn't matter what causes the changing conditions. And I highly doubt this military guy knows anything about the science - he's assuming a lot, and drawing conclusions from that. But no doubt his civilian masters support his statements since it adds some kind of legitimacy to a cause they support. And they support it because it justifies their power grabbing money-grubbing policies.
RealOldOne2March 23, 2014 12:34 pm
Danceswithdaschshunds already pointed you to CryosphereToday global sea ice chart, so I won't repeat that link that got censored. But I will re-post the evidence that rebuts your erroneous statement about Antarctic ice, that "ANTarctic is seen some increase (as was predicted)". In the 1980s, the global warming alarmists predicted that both poles would warm an sea ice would decrease: "The maximum warming during West Antarctica is associated with the largest reduction in sea ice cover there." - Hansen, Lacis, Rind, Russell in 'Climate Sensitivity to Increasing Greenhouse Gases'. Since my comment with the link got censored, just google the title to see the evidence yourself.
RealOldOne2March 23, 2014 12:22 pm
"Everything I try to type to refute you [MorinMoss] is being censored by RTCC" Mine too. I linked the global sea ice chart from Cryosphere today also. It was censored. I also quoted from James Hansen back in the 1980s to expose MorinMoss's erroneous claim that they predicted that Antarctic sea ice would increase. That was censored too. Every comment is held in moderation. It's pathetic how they censor factual comments.
IDSproutMarch 23, 2014 4:21 am
Censor the dissent...sounds like a Liberal site to me
IDSproutMarch 23, 2014 4:20 am
I'd rather own bitcoins than carbon credits...both are worthless, but at least with bitcoins I get something shiny to hold
DanceswithdachshundsMarch 23, 2014 2:06 am
Why am I being denied the chance to post a reply to MorinMoss ??
DanceswithdachshundsMarch 23, 2014 1:50 am
I posted the link to the "Global Sea Ice Area 1979 - Present" from the Arctic Climate Research at the University of Illinois but --- RTCC is holding it for moderation so ... Google: global sea ice area cryosphere today Click on link for "Polar Sea Ice Cap and Snow - Cryosphere Today" Search that page for the word global then click on the thumbnail. It's been over a YEAR sitting at about the average sea ice extent from 1979 to ~now. Obviously decreasing CO2 cannot explain the rapid NATURAL rebound of 2 to 3 million km^2 of sea ice area that has occurred at any other time on that chart, (like beginning at the end of 2007, end of 2008 and end of 2010) but, unlike those, this most recent one beginning late in 2012 has endured for over a year and counting. As for your lame assertion "This does not "balance" out the Arctic loss" - yes it does; sea ice is sea ice and it does NOT form in warm water. It has to be a game to people like you because you refuse to believe the data. There is simply NO "catastrophic warming" going on with our climate and this chart disproves your assertion that earth is losing polar sea ice. The current melt rate of Greenland will have it ice free in about 15,000 years - let's talk then okay?
Michael Bruce CombsMarch 22, 2014 11:50 pm
Tide gauge records for the US west coast (San Francisco and Seattle) show no sea level rise since 1980. Has the ocean decided only to pick on the poor? Aerial photos of south Pacific islands comparing now with 50 years ago show almost all islands are the same size or have grown. Actually, this is what coral atolls do when sea levels rise. If they didn't, they would have all disappeared long ago when sea level rose over 400 feet during a very short period at the end of the Ice Age. The largest living thing on Earth, the Great Barrier Reef of Australia, did not exist until a bit over 10,000 years ago, when ice cap melting at the end of the Ice Age raised sea level 400 feet. Until then it was high and dry land - coral cannot grow unless covered by water. Sea level records also show that during the Holocene Climatic Optimum, beginning 8,000 years ago, sea level was up to 2 meters (over 6 feet) higher than now. (click on the image below for a larger chart)
RealOldOne2March 22, 2014 10:53 pm
I made comments on three different RTCC articles. All three were censored and not permitted to be posted. My comments politely answered questions asked by the global warming alarmists, quoting and citing peer reviewed science. It just shows that the global warming alarmist aren't about science, but about propaganda & censorship of anything contrary to their claimit science. I doubt if this one will make it through moderation either. How pathetic.
RealOldOne2March 22, 2014 10:41 pm
Trevor Manuel is a poster boy for everything that is wrong with the radical alarmist global warming doomsayers. Where is Manuel's evidence for his ridiculous claim that climate skeptics "are mainly in lunatic assylums". Does that include Richard Lindzen? Judith Curry? Roy Spencer? John Christy? William Gray? Nils Axel Morner? And the majority of the 31,000+ scientists who signed the Oregon Petition which is skeptical of human-caused climate change? No, it's just pathetic inflammatory rhetoric, likely caused by anger at the fact that empirical science is proving his global warming religion to be false. Over 460 billion tons of CO2 emitted by humans in the last ~16 years & it has caused NO global warming whatsoever. And the RTCC is no better, with the title of this article tarring honest science climate skeptics with the inflammatory, insensitive, holocaust-minimizing 'denier' label name calling. Skeptics don't deny there's a climate. Skeptics don't deny that the climate changes. Skeptics just base their understanding on empirical science, not flawed, faulty, falsified, GCM climate models, 97% of which can't represent the real world. But then when you don't have empirical science on your side, I guess that's all you have left is call names, mindlessly repeat propaganda of the climate cult dogmas. It'll be interesting to see if this comment makes it through moderation. If it doesn't, it will just show that the alarmists can't tolerate anything that exposes their non-empirical alarmist message as being false and based on angry rhetoric.
Mogumbo GonoMarch 22, 2014 9:38 pm
Glaciers are melting, and growing. California is a regional climate, it has nothing to do with global warming. The only island sinking is Guam. And I am not a republican, but I know that the global warming scare has run it's course. From the comments here, anyone can see that the people pushing the "carbon" scare have lost the argument. The public isn't buying.
RealOldOne2March 22, 2014 8:35 pm
"That said, the enormous amount of aerosols from all that coal (they burn as much each year as the entire world, incl themselves, did 25 years ago) is also having a significant cooling effect." The aerosols from burning coal are lower in the atmosphere, in the troposphere, where they are short-lived, as they precipitate out with rainfall, and actually act as cloud condensing nuclei. Only stratospheric aerosols have been linked to a "significant cooling effect." That's because they are above the precipitation layers and are longer-lived, up to a year or two and reflect sunlight away from the surface. These have been low throughout this century. ( icons.wunderground. com/data/climate_images/pinatubo. png ) (remove spaces)
PattyBoyMarch 22, 2014 7:31 pm
If this is the kind of leadership we are getting from the Army we are screwed! He actually believes the IPCC reports in spite of empirical evidence to the contrary and scandalous cooking of the books? This is religion masquerading as science; a freaking political movement. I demand separation of church and state!!!
yerfackingmammyMarch 22, 2014 6:40 pm
So, the whole "carbon trading" scheme was a well organized shakedown scam to launder money into this slush-fund after all? Imagine that. Indeed.
BetawelderMarch 22, 2014 6:20 pm
The rise or fall in CO2 FOLLOWS the rise and fall of temps. CO2 doesn't drive any thing, You can't drive your car on gas that hasn't been made yet. One more scare tactic, just one more lie. How much money and resources do these idiots intend to waste on a make believe problem.
Jacob HughesMarch 22, 2014 6:11 pm
You failed to capitalized God while you capitalized UN. That tells us all we need to know about you.
realheadlineMarch 22, 2014 4:29 pm
Another climate zealot spouting a tautology like he's discovered plutonium. Global warming is REAL. Give me a break, take a pill, enjoy the weather. LOL
paasingbyMarch 22, 2014 4:20 pm
Now the good news, There are 40 countries coming out of poverty. Africa: Continent of Plenty Ten reasons why Africa can feed itself—and help feed the rest of the world too - http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/innovation/africa-continent-of-plenty Deserts 'greening' from rising carbon dioxide: Green foliage boosted across the world's arid regions - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130708103521.htm
paasingbyMarch 22, 2014 3:44 pm
you only have to look at what Israel has achieved over the last 30 years in greening their desert regions to understand that we are perfectly capably of dealing with a few degrees warming, which will in fact be beneficial.
WalterHorstingMarch 22, 2014 2:16 pm
Oceans gave up their temp gains from cycles 21-23, temps go down from here like a roller coaster
Jed Maitland-CarterMarch 22, 2014 4:03 am
Sea Level Control Strategy I believe we can use pipelines to move sea water into desert and polar areas to create inland "reservoirs". Desertification is creating this opportunity. Why not control the sea level? We can stock the fish,do "offshore " drilling is we want, get humidity from evaporation, and even get fresh water from desalination: although the brine by -product needs a solution. We have existing technology in pipelines. We can compensate desert countries with monies saved by not needing coastal city sea walls. I would like to get funding to at least start on project: say in North Africa or Namidia where the desert meets the ocean. see: antarcticproject.com
Byron ShuttMarch 22, 2014 3:47 am
After the purge of officers from the military by this regime...I wouldn't trust their partisan opinion.
Byron ShuttMarch 22, 2014 3:43 am
What would really help the environment is that you and the rest of the Prog/Comms would exit the planet.
Byron ShuttMarch 22, 2014 3:41 am
This doesn't explain why it was so cold in DC this winter that the Prog/Comms had their hands in their own pockets.
aeroguy48March 22, 2014 3:07 am
I linked this thru American Thinker BTW not Drudge.
aeroguy48March 22, 2014 3:04 am
The Drudge report earlier this morning linked to this article titled 'carbon market collapsing' the site showed an error 404! shades of obamacare? Now the site and comments have been opened back up all the site article shows is 'we need more money'
MorinMossMarch 22, 2014 1:41 am
"Global sea ice area recovered from the end of 2012 until now to be back to what it was in mid 1980's" Global? Got a citation? The ARCTIC is undergoing a dramatic decline in ice coverage while the ANTarctic is seen some increase ( as was predicted). This does not "balance" out the Arctic loss as some would think and then there's the increasing loss of land ice from Greenland. "And your typical subterfuge about hottest ~decade.. WHO said it was not?" Quite a few deniers including one very popular bug-eyed British peer. "Game OVER - you LOST!" Last time I heard that was from a 5 yr old. He grew up; you should too.
MorinMossMarch 22, 2014 1:32 am
From what I've read, most of the soot that ends up in the Arctic does NOT originate from China but I'm sure their coal-burning plays a role in glacier melt in other regions. That said, the enormous amount of aerosols from all that coal (they burn as much each year as the entire world, incl themselves, did 25 years ago) is also having a significant cooling effect. If China adheres to the plan to have ALL coal plants conform to emission standards that are as stringent as America's by Fall 2014, we could have another record warm year, even without an El Nino, very soon.
ALCHESONMarch 22, 2014 12:53 am
So was mine. I added a link to the USDA showing that crop yields were increasing substantially along with the increase in CO2 with no hint of a decline. Apparently decided that was too incendiary with respect to the article.
Denver BobMarch 22, 2014 12:52 am
yup
diggferkelMarch 22, 2014 12:14 am
And once they get all those poor countries dependent on them then they have the power to rule with an iron fist. The leftist are not greedy. They're much worse. They're power hungry.
Fleendar the magnificentMarch 21, 2014 11:39 pm
When you live on low lying ocean atolls, you can *expect* to be flooded. The Marshall Islands are less than 8 feet in most places above sea level. So it wouldn't take a very big tide to flood them.
libtard scienceMarch 21, 2014 11:22 pm
Gosh, which is it RTCC? IPCC's last report admitted that man-made CO2 is not the driver of global warming they've been saying it was. Poor wingnuts just can't make up their minds.. or could it be that they want to have it both ways.
FroddoislostMarch 21, 2014 10:52 pm
I wonder if they realize . . . warmer temps are strongly correlated with better crop production. This is a scientific fact. As to the notion that the military has any actual ability to assist us in the matter; no, they are clearly a contrary asset. To the extent we spend money on the military, we are detracting from our ability to adapt. This is a basic economic fact. Swords into plowshares, butter vs. bullets and all that. They literally teach this economic truism in freshman econ. classes at every major university. But its all okay; the world actually stopped warming about 17 years ago. All the data sets agree. It hasn't cooled, and it is warm. But it is not getting warmer. Hasn't for some time. None of the GCM's predicted this, so they are more or less broken. At the very least they are unskillful predictors of climate or the global mean surface temperature. We may yet warm more, we may not. Either way, right now it is not entirely clear that more warming would be worse for us than cooling. In the past cooling has always been the most disasterous, by far. The dark ages and the American and French revolutions have been strongly linked to cooler climactic episodes. And Frankenstein's monster. (Very literally.) No one has established an "optimum" global surface temperature and the alarmism is entirely speculative. Scientifically, it would be hard to even define the term "optimum global mean surface temperature". And the countries already suffering from localised conflict, famine and drought will all continue to have one thing in common; a lack of basic liberty for their inhabitants.
libsmakemelaughMarch 21, 2014 9:43 pm
When will Guam tip over?
ljm4March 21, 2014 9:40 pm
agenda 21
ljm4March 21, 2014 9:39 pm
when they stop spraying heavy metals over us all around the world I'll listen to what they say but until they admit spraying; weather modifying, weather control, storm creation, drought causing weather..then they are lying about global warming. Go to geoengineering watch site and look who hold the patents on spraying to achieve global dimming or whiting.
James MadisonMarch 21, 2014 8:45 pm
Wow, my initital post at 8am this morning was flagged and deleted but I guess the negative comments on this article simply overwhelmed the moderators that they've decided to throw in the towel. That or they didn't like the chicken little reference.
rmillerMarch 21, 2014 8:19 pm
Amen!
steamboatMarch 21, 2014 8:15 pm
LOL - 4 or 5 years ago a site like this would have been inundated by liberal KoolAid drinking Global Warming trolls. I notice they're getting more and more silent !
rmillerMarch 21, 2014 8:15 pm
So they need to try and ripoff America and Americas politicians will help with the ripoff. Why should we pay for this phony crap when we are not the polluters. Only the ones with the money. China is a horrible polluter so go after them for your phony scheme. Trust me if Nature doesn't like her environment she will change it. Humans do not matter to nature. She is one mean lady. Climate changes. It is meant to. Without change we die. This is a UN ploy to grab money and power. If the poor countries are starving, maybe the should eat the liberals who are going there and telling to save all the babies. If you don't change the culture they will keep mass producing babies and starve themselves to death, They live in harsh climates and food has always been short. So sick of these liberals assholes in the world.. I do not care if they don't eat. Same as they don't care if I eat.
steamboatMarch 21, 2014 8:04 pm
GOOD !! This liberal redistribution scheme looking to steal more taxpayer money deserves to die ! I don't know if politicians are so stupid that they actually believe the man made climate change stuff, or if they're just using it for more power and control.
RealscienceMarch 21, 2014 7:47 pm
Global warming is REAL. Look at the science. Anyone who denies scientific proof just needs to look around. Glaciers melting, islands sinking, severe drought in California. Cmon Repulicans, pull your head out of the ground.
PeterSMarch 21, 2014 7:38 pm
European Greens have given Putin the upper hand. Germany must now purchase Russian natural gas because Germany cannot rely on the solar and wind renewable energy sources that the Greens have imposed. Obama will not help by selling natural gas to Europe because his hands are tied by the environmentalists in the US. The price of being green is now being demonstrated in both economic terms and security terms. These impacts are immediate and critical as opposed to the speculative concerns of the greens.
$31615880March 21, 2014 6:40 pm
If Ben Graham's theory still holds true (market = short term voting machine, long term weighing machine), it still depends on what "market" you're talking about. The "carbon credit" market resembles more the pump-and-dumpers or naked-shorters of the OTC marketplace.
NateMarch 21, 2014 6:33 pm
The entire universe is in a constant state of change. Who are these hubris fools to think they can keep a planetary climate exactly the same with an ever evolving galaxy? They do know we aren't at the center of it, right? And even if we were, the center changes far more rapidly than the other parts.
fireartMarch 21, 2014 5:57 pm
While they are trying to stay positive why don't they look for a real job. As far as yields dropping that will only happen if they outlaw GMO and go organic.
FGentaMarch 21, 2014 5:56 pm
I hope they go broke and quit bothering the rest of us.
TheLibertyDefenderMarch 21, 2014 5:54 pm
First it was global cooling, then global warming, and now "climate change." Global warming is the biggest conspiracy theory of all. It's a farce. Get over it, you global warming conspiracy theorist nutjobs!
Shawn FrenchMarch 21, 2014 5:54 pm
If they stop trying to use the man-made global warming hoax to steal money, and just ask people to help them cope with a changing environment, they'll probably get more in contributions.
OsteoblastMarch 21, 2014 5:53 pm
“extremely aggressive” sounds like a code phrase for "Give us more of your money and freedom and shut up, you moronic denier"
spawn44March 21, 2014 5:47 pm
Don't bother posting unless your a lefty whose brainwashed into believing the climate change scam
Nina SageMarch 21, 2014 5:47 pm
The US, is on to the scheme you have developed to sap the wealth of our country to help fund further schemes of the under developed countries, all in the name of Global Warming. Taxing carbon is just part of the scheme.
Rick OmenMarch 21, 2014 5:46 pm
Do we need any further proof that "carbon trading" was simply a UN-sponsored Ponzi scheme?
dubbsMarch 21, 2014 5:46 pm
Thank god for the UN and the green movement
dubbsMarch 21, 2014 5:43 pm
Time to change identity - this is protected by trolls.
okMarch 21, 2014 5:42 pm
"Central to the adaptation finance drought is the collapse of the carbon markets, which were expected to provide a predictable flow of support to vulnerable countries." In other words, provide a front organization to redistribute wealth away from capitalist countries.
TGFDMarch 21, 2014 5:40 pm
TGFD here. Green Climate Fund + Carbon market collapse = Laughable.
dubbsMarch 21, 2014 5:40 pm
Thank God for big favors. Let's hope this carbon hoax goes down in flames. (Sorry Al)
akjim99March 21, 2014 5:39 pm
“We are essentially going with our hands out to everyone,” - that, ladies and gentlemen, defines a liberal.
Gill O’TeenMarch 21, 2014 5:39 pm
Carbon credits are a scam to steal money from the so-called wealthy so politicians can play Santa Clause to the so-called poor. In realty these wealthy are Americans trying to keep afloat in a sea of government mandates and taxes, and these wealthy are those willing to pay politicians for special favors. Any similarity between these wealthy and these politicians to a 'customer' and a prostitute is purely coincidental, I think. That this market is struggling can only be considered a good thing to those yearning to live free and prosper.
morebullshitMarch 21, 2014 5:39 pm
so sick and TIRED of the LIBERAL agenda..TAX AND CONTROL
PasoFinoCAMarch 21, 2014 5:37 pm
Hmmmm UN as usual is imprecise and lacks consistent messaging.....how did they get back to "global warming", it's been. Cooling for 21 years according to their own report!
spawn44March 21, 2014 5:35 pm
I know what would work. The leftist frauds trying to push the AGW CO2 scam on everyone save their time, energy and money and put it where their mouth is. Use their own money for these phony climate projects. Then see what happens.
jackMarch 21, 2014 5:33 pm
Shocking. A crony economic system built on a house of lies and cards collapses, and the intentions are rocked by the reality of the markets shaking off the dust.
left wingMarch 21, 2014 5:32 pm
the sham of the cult of global warming is shown in this one article. MONEY is the reason for the sham and the cult, not science.
CongressWorksForUsMarch 21, 2014 5:31 pm
Gee... a scam program funded by scam carbon credits is failing... Good!
boca_grandeMarch 21, 2014 5:30 pm
We also need studies to see how successful these underdeveloped projects are. Where individuals can read goals and how they succeeded or failed. Open ended flow of cash is not going to keep the world green if not effective.
KWHodges56March 21, 2014 5:24 pm
A hoax can only last until the real facts come out, and have they ever! Now I am wondering how many people will be punished for their roles in this hoax?
albeitMarch 21, 2014 5:23 pm
Actually, soot on ice can increase how much it melts, as it will then absorb more heat from the sun. So it may not be shocking amounts of heat that are the problem. It may be China burning much more coal than it used to.
Libturds-SukMarch 21, 2014 5:21 pm
Good riddance
MGBSEMarch 21, 2014 5:20 pm
...how many shares did algore dump?
Dirk ChesterfieldMarch 21, 2014 5:05 pm
Carbon credits are nothing but a Scam to make Politicians into Billionaires.
Galt2100March 21, 2014 5:03 pm
Gee, I could have sworn I posted a comment here. I guess it was deleted because it was critical; what a surprise, liberal censorship.
skochMarch 21, 2014 5:01 pm
In the US only one in 1000 new ventures in business survive past 2 years. And that is with most providing there own money and services to provide a product or service for which someone else is willing to trade their money. I guess this redistribution crowd is learning that...but their solution to failure is to use a badge and the rule of force. When they don't have that, they fail at a 100% rate. While leave to waste the wealth of others. It is time for the U.N. to crawl back into the hole from whence they came.
DanceswithdachshundsMarch 21, 2014 4:48 pm
Global sea ice area recovered from the end of 2012 until now to be back to what it was in mid 1980's. I suppose you are going to convince us that sea ice starts forming on warmer waters? RSS shows 17 years per Ben Santer's EXTENSION of time needed for a clear signal, the original minimum was by NASA at 15 years. And your typical subterfuge about hottest ~decade.. WHO said it was not? It simply is NOT getting warmer anymore and the GCM's of CAGW alarmist gravy train riders, ($2.5 billion per year), told us it would keep getting warmer. Game OVER - you LOST!
kalliMarch 21, 2014 4:35 pm
Cry me a river! I pray the entire UN collapses as it is the largest theft and fraud organization in the world which has duped countries into bowing down to their demands.
realheadlineMarch 21, 2014 4:34 pm
The climate scam is over. The only supporters that remain are the hardcore environmental zealots and the political collectivist/communists.
junkyardnutMarch 21, 2014 4:34 pm
Why are people running around concerned about carbon emissions while so many of us still burn firewood and pollutes so much air in neighborhoods? Coal fired powerplants already have pollution controls placed there while there is hardly nothing found in millions and millions and millions of fireplaces and woodstoves . Recently EPA announces that there will be a upgrade of fireplaces and woodstoves for 2015 but I am skeptical of the pollution standards that will be required for those manufacturers of fireplaces and woodstoves as still so low, anyway. What about those older woodstoves and fireplaces that will continue to be used for years if not decades to come? Firewood smoke is no funny business!
BoboMarch 21, 2014 4:31 pm
"These are a natural part of tidal cycles and not linked to climate change, "
Jacob HughesMarch 21, 2014 4:31 pm
Since more and more people are learning that there is no such thing as "man-made global warming"...let's hope the UN finds it harder and harder to waste money on this scam.
BoboMarch 21, 2014 4:25 pm
Total SCAM
BillreddyMarch 21, 2014 4:23 pm
It's a simple solution, since algore made 100's of millions off the same scam, order him to give half his accumulated money to the Adaption Fund or else the UN will not allow him to continue in this lucrative scam around the world. The UN fat cats could then continue to live the life they feel they are owed since they feel they are saving mankind from itself.
donttreadonme7March 21, 2014 4:22 pm
Oh, no! The bitcoin, obamacare (a.k.a. the unaffordable care act), and now carbon credits. Things are just falling apart. Pass me a hanky.
The SheepleMarch 21, 2014 4:21 pm
Global warming will bring no hardships ... on the contrary, it will free up ports for longer seasons, it will allow longer growing seasons .... the horrid winters we have just been having will not kill so many people each year. Fewer heart attacks whilst shoveling .... better gas mileage in our cars, easier on the road ways regarding heave and pot holing .... we will use far less energy heating homes and businesses. Many areas will no long require snow tires .... we will not need to travel so far in winter to warm up .... people are generally happier with warmer weather. Will there be a few countries nearer to the equator that will have some extra periods of drought and crop failure? Probably, but those countries are having all that now and the never ending muslim scourge ... so there is no point worrying too much about them ... The other side of this is that it appears far more likely based on the obvious evidence, that there is global cooling ..... there has been no warming for about 18 years and you may have noted a cooling trend. I did. It was all a scam anyway ... put us all in a 'state of fear' and then take control by promising to deliver us from hardships by robbing us of our hard earned money and giving us failed renewable energy projects in the form of bird choppers that don't work and a bunch of much too expensive solar panel farms that are being over grown by vegetation and they don't work well either. Other than Russia we don't have any governments that work well either. At least not in the western world. Well, maybe Stephen Harper of Canada, but that's about it.
FedUpMarch 21, 2014 4:21 pm
"...dangerous impacts are now inevitable, and that climate change will likely reduce median (crop) yields by 0 to 2% per decade for the rest of this century." Huhhh? 0-2% eh?...my, my..what a travesty!!!
McFlyMarch 21, 2014 4:19 pm
Perfect! All lined up with their hands out, having already crafted grand designs for spending someone else's money. It's the modern way. The new norm. Think of all the things I could do if only I could get into your wallet!
Steven DePriestMarch 21, 2014 4:16 pm
No where in the story does it say how much has been collected and spent since 2009 by the UN Adaptation Fund. It does say that last year, $100 Million dollars was given by the "rich countries" and that the same amount was needed for this year. What did they do with the $100 Million from last year?
jnsesqMarch 21, 2014 4:16 pm
"Climate adaptation projects" Wouldn't it just be easier to say "scam"?
Marshall CypressMarch 21, 2014 4:14 pm
Good riddance to bad science!
Lenny BrooklynMarch 21, 2014 4:12 pm
Glow-Bull Warming is one big SCAM designed to transfer wealth from producers to moochers.
arebel1March 21, 2014 4:12 pm
"We take money from anyone." Shocker! - "Please help line our pockets."
JonEffCarryMarch 21, 2014 4:11 pm
Surely al-Gore can help? Maybe he could sell one of his five houses to fund this nonsense, if it is so important?
Sam PyeatteMarch 21, 2014 4:10 pm
This is the way scams usually end because they are.....scams.
TruethBeToldMarch 21, 2014 4:10 pm
Sounds like a SCAM to me!!!
xsnakeMarch 21, 2014 4:09 pm
Al Gore got rich on it....send him a bill.
DefiantMarch 21, 2014 4:06 pm
Who cares? The UN is useless to the point that they might out-useless Obama...
AndylitMarch 21, 2014 3:59 pm
LMAO. I see the chumps here are big fans of free and open debate....NOT
AndylitMarch 21, 2014 3:58 pm
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of scammers.
scarlet pimpernelMarch 21, 2014 3:57 pm
Renewables are a farce and a joke on the European taxpayer. You need nuclear. You need to use your coal with the new cleaner methods. You need gas imports from the US and Australia. If you do not start now, Russia will crush you. 10 years. Each year is a year that will scare the pants off Russia. Stop wasting money on fake green energy; pathetic.
HankyMarch 21, 2014 3:41 pm
Since we know there is no such thing as man made global warming can we just allow this scam to finally go away, these alarmists threw out the science and turned this into a religion long ago.
VenharisMarch 21, 2014 2:53 pm
Ahh.. Censorship... You are not liberals... You are authoritarian SCUM. Soros and Bloomberg spend their Billions pedaling tyranny and yet the people hunger for LIBERTY... Worldwide and that is why you will fail....
banger377March 21, 2014 2:47 pm
Carbon credits, global warming, climate change, global weather, the whole thing is now recognized as a transparent fraud, by covetous people wanting someone else to pay for their pet projects, one of them is "global governance" and "fairly" distributing the worlds wealth, from my pocket to there's.
Charles HMarch 21, 2014 2:20 pm
Ok people I am tempted to make fun of these people and wander were the "think of the children" quote is but there is one part of this article that is impotent, adaptation. While I in no way support the idea of "Man made" Global Warming, Cooling, Change, or whatever the crazies want to call it today I do believe that the climate does change. It has gotten very cold and very warm over many many years without our help and it will continue changing without our help. The best thing we can do is try and plan for the changes. While it is obvious that these people are coming at this from a Man Made direction, which turns me off, I am trying to keep an open mind to the idea of adaptation and making sure we as a humane race are ready, as best we can be, for whatever the earth throws at us. I wish these crazies got off the whole "Man made" thing and just went with being ready and I wouldn't have to make fun of them and they would probably have more support from people. But alas I am sure this will never happen and all these words will mean nothing to them in their religion of Global Warming. Well my response is getting long and for that I am sorry but I will leave on a positive note from the article. According to it we can’t do anything about it now anyways so there we go now we both agree and we can move on from there. Good day
VenharisMarch 21, 2014 2:06 pm
Judging from all the traffic in this comment section you would think the World was coming to an end. First Bernie Madof, then Bitcoin, and now this Carbon Scam goes belly up... I guess people aren't as dumb as the Globalists think they are... Taking the guns from law abiding citizens in the US has been a smashing success as well. CO2 is NOT a pollutant.. Most people learned in elementary school that plants breath in CO2 and breath out oxygen. More CO2 equals greener and larger plants, more food and larger forests. Not a bad thing unless your agenda means killing off 95% of humanity....
MyOpinionPostMarch 21, 2014 1:56 pm
They(the UN) just need more money.
Equality7-2521March 21, 2014 1:56 pm
Maybe people don't like the heavy-handed tactics that the environmental extremists use to market their religion. (Kinda like how you keep "moderating" opposing views like my other posts.)
BobbiMMarch 21, 2014 1:55 pm
Create an artificial crisis, then whine and moan about the need to fleece people (mainly Americans) to pay for fixing a non problem. Typical progressive nonsense.
DustoffMarch 21, 2014 1:52 pm
What a scam.
ChassitMarch 21, 2014 1:51 pm
What an awful site, censors those that disagree. And you folks wonder why you have no credibility,
ike4nsyncMarch 21, 2014 1:51 pm
Come on. Global warming ended several years ago. People spouting this crap need to stop flying and reduce their personal carbon footprint. Then I'll believe they are sincere.
JimMarch 21, 2014 1:50 pm
"predictable stream of finance" ??? You mean other peoples money, thru higher utility rates or carbon taxes. Jim
JasonHMarch 21, 2014 1:48 pm
Is this even a real website or something the Onion created?
genepelczMarch 21, 2014 1:47 pm
"Meanwhile, mounting evidence points to a future where climate-related devastation could become the norm. Adaptation will be key in staving off some of the worst impacts, including flooding as a result of sea level rise and starvation and droughts due to heat waves and changing weather patterns". Mounting evidence, droughts, rising sea levels, these are all hysterical concepts put out by the liberals and the IPCC. Why don't they support these concepts with some references scientific studies (and I don't mean studies made by the IPCC that are pure propaganda) other than just liberal opinion.
Bruce in AZMarch 21, 2014 1:47 pm
"These are a natural part of tidal cycles and not linked to climate change" lets not let facts get in the way!
TroyGaleMarch 21, 2014 1:47 pm
Did you not read or comprehend the story? This is a natural happenstance, it's been going on for centuries. When you build at sea level, you are going to get flooded. Global Warming needs your money, pony up!
nobamasMarch 21, 2014 1:47 pm
Good news! Global warming doesn't exist. Rice farmers can resume their chores.
ahmosisMarch 21, 2014 1:45 pm
These morons can't even give us an accurate five day weather forecast, much less tell anyone what the climate will be like a hundred years from now. Besides, the East Anglica University "Climategate" emails have totaly debunked any kind of Human-caused climate change FOR EVER!
TroyGaleMarch 21, 2014 1:43 pm
Too bad these idiots didn't learn about Chicken Little when they were children. Hey, warming believers, have you ever considered that warming is good for humans? Cooling, as briefly demonstrated by the Winter this year is a much more severe and worrisome condition. It is called weather people, and the idiots who tell you that warming is caused by man are out to keep their jobs, and take your money. Go ahead, buy in to the fairytale, these folks will be happy to take your money. "A fool and his money are soon parted."...........................Hilarious!
VisionMarch 21, 2014 1:42 pm
Only fools believe you can solve anything with taxes.
Willh33March 21, 2014 1:41 pm
Good!!! Corrupt scheme anyway!
Andino MiningMarch 21, 2014 1:40 pm
Um, I thought global warming was out, climate change in. Which is it?
IllKeepMineMarch 21, 2014 1:38 pm
I hope AlGore lost his a$$.
FiftycalTXMarch 21, 2014 1:37 pm
Yah, ZERO percent impact on the deadly globull warming scam. I see a lot of bureaucrats and other scam artists with their HANDS OUT! Question, how much "ocean rise" has there been? ZERO! Yah, "deadly impact".
Quasimodo4March 21, 2014 1:36 pm
I have carbon credits for sale at low prices.. Hurry while supplies last. Free shipping. You can trust Quasi's Carbon Exchange. I am not like all the others.
McFergusonMarch 21, 2014 1:36 pm
Good! The carbon market collapse is great news. The carbon credit scam is just that, a scam to extract money from wealthy countries for re-distribution to third world ones while using the phony excuse of "climate change." Like in Oz, one must always look behind the screen to see what's going on when the ecological loons are in bloom. And when it comes to the "carbon dioxide is a killer" theory, as spun by the environmentalist wingnuts, it's time to hide your money.
Eva St. ClairMarch 21, 2014 1:36 pm
Translation - We have to be more clever in our extortion schemes. Too many are catching onto the scam.
ChassitMarch 21, 2014 1:36 pm
The climate change fraud has been exposed. Increasingly less and less people are buying into it.
Keith PancoMarch 21, 2014 1:34 pm
The real hardships will come from "global cooling". The sun will soon begin its cycle toward slower activity. History proves mankind's hardship during cool periods; food shortages, increased energy needs, difficult travel, etc.
rightwayMarch 21, 2014 1:33 pm
what a bunch of crap.....carbon tax is a scam
mitchellviiMarch 21, 2014 1:30 pm
Well I guess it's lucky then that there is no global warming. If only you people had some actual evidence instead of just models people might listen. Funny that you say "you have a good story to tell," because that's all it is - a story.
Roark PargeonMarch 21, 2014 1:28 pm
The consensus is in, global warming is a hoax! Glory be to AL Gore for making it obvious:)
ConstanceUnderfootMarch 21, 2014 1:27 pm
I bought CO2 credits with Bitcoins, then used that profit to buy stock in a US solar manufacturer, parlaying that money into the "free range" Arugula project.
ShepMarch 21, 2014 1:25 pm
By the way, I wouldn't expect my previous comment to make it past the moderator. Liberal extremists are the group least tolerant of free thought and expression there is...unless of course you agree with them.
Bob WilkeMarch 21, 2014 1:24 pm
The concept of a "Carbon Market" was a stupid idea to begin with.
bruceapilotMarch 21, 2014 1:24 pm
Nobody cares. Global warming has proven to be a HOAX. Faux science, fudged/fraudulent data modeling, etc. That is why nobody else has commented. NOBODY CARES!!! (Especially me.)
Jim LitesMarch 21, 2014 1:22 pm
The Global Hoax continues...perhaps the lack of carbon buy ins will hopefully destroy it.
ShepMarch 21, 2014 1:22 pm
The last paragraph states "there are a lot of challenges". I would think chief among them would be the absence of global warming and the complete failure of the myth that "climate change" is significantly affected by humans... I can hear it now: "The carbon exchanges are failing!!!! Our racketeering dreams have been dashed!"
Eric JohnsonMarch 21, 2014 1:21 pm
This article claims the tides WERE this high in 1979. Only a few years after we were warned about global cooling. Could it be these high tides have been happening for thousands of years, but only now with human development at risk it has become an issue?
joeysdadMarch 21, 2014 1:20 pm
The collapse of the Carbon exchange is the best news I've heard in a while. But it is scary to see that people are still working to establish a world taxation system.
DniceMarch 21, 2014 1:19 pm
GIVE IT UP ALREADY , people know this man made climate change is nothing more than stealing other people's money....what the democrats (marxists) have been doing for ages.... man made global warming is the biggest hoax ever seen... no one believes these lunatics any more..... Remember: under obamas plan energy prices will "neccesarily skyrocket".... This man is dangerous and we are putting him in a corner and will become more dangerous as more and more people are waking up to this so called man's constant lies and redistributive policies...
SidviciousMarch 21, 2014 1:19 pm
More money for bogus climate change...lining the pockets of the corrupt elite everywhere!
PainlessMarch 21, 2014 1:19 pm
Another scam, whose time to die has finally come. Totally designed to part you from what little money you have left in your paycheck to add to the corporate profits. After all, you didn't think they were "absorbing" the costs did you? How about that global warming eh?
Fleendar the magnificentMarch 21, 2014 1:18 pm
You cannot trust the UN at all. Period. As for those who should cut the most CO2 and pollution. China and India are the first that should cut. Ever see the air pollution in these countries?
BobMarch 21, 2014 1:18 pm
Is this tongue in cheek? Is Ms Yeo a humorist?
IatemineMarch 21, 2014 1:17 pm
Good....it was nothing but a scam.
Fried ChickenMarch 21, 2014 1:16 pm
It only took 14 years for the useful dumb dumbs to start realizing they were being scammed... Unfortunately there are still many leftist dummies that haven't figured it out. There will be some other dumb idea the sheep will be duped into handing over their hard earned cash for... Maybe global cooling or something
dltaylor51March 21, 2014 1:16 pm
I hope Obama doesn't hear about this or he will be taking out a second mortgage on America to pay these clowns.
Fleendar the magnificentMarch 21, 2014 1:15 pm
The funding has stopped because the world for the most part has figured out the scam.
Fried ChickenMarch 21, 2014 1:15 pm
It only took 14 years for the useful idiots to start realizing they were being scammed... Unfortunately there are still many leftist morons that haven't figured it out. There will be some other dumb idea the sheep will be duped into handing over their hard earned cash for... Maybe global cooling or something.
Angus of the Hill PeopleMarch 21, 2014 1:14 pm
This is good news. Global redistribution of wealth based on political science rather than real science must stop. Sanity will prevail!
Dabe0612March 21, 2014 8:59 am
we need big oil and big business to set a price on carbon
abadamMarch 20, 2014 10:24 pm
If the ice is melting and diluting the salinity of the oceans or areas of it,then the rate of evaporation of water will be greater as a consequence of dilution.More water vapour in the air will produce a cooling affect.The diluting effect must surely affect marine habitats and their suitability for indigenous species along with the acidification.Is the acidification effect of the CO2 dissolving in the oceans lessened by the diluting effect of the melting ice water,even in a localised way,i.e near the melting ice?
bit_torrentMarch 20, 2014 9:42 pm
Koch cash is conservative political cash...keep it coming especially for this election cycle....Hoorah!
Bob BinghamMarch 20, 2014 8:16 pm
A good temperature bench mark for disaster is 3C http://www.climateoutcome.kiwi.nz/climate-threats.html .. We have already raised the temperature and because of the forty year time lag while the oceans soak up the heat we are already committed to around 2C. If the military understand the threats why don't the politicians.
Jordan BigelMarch 20, 2014 4:17 pm
Oh God, here idiots go blaming anything except humans. I sure wish global warming was actually a scam. So do the people of the RMI. You know what would be globally beneficial Anna, if you shut up and go back to your private heaven where rising sea level makes the world better.
MogggMarch 20, 2014 2:02 pm
My daughter is doing her A levels - I am encouraging her to revise hard now for her exams in May. She would prefer a little work now and then major last minute revision. Not exactly the best strategy to get the great grades she needs for her chosen university. I look at the behaviour of our political leaders on climate change and am reminded of my teenage daughter. Let’s pretend this known event - climate change - isn’t going to happen, let’s pretend we still have a long time to take action or if we leave it till the last minute and then panic - all will be fine. Its madness! Today the EU could lead the way - leaders are meeting for a crucial EU Council meeting where they could decide Europe's climate and energy targets until 2030 - but will they? Most likely they will defer the decision. This lack of urgent action- not just on the part of the EU - runs counter to the scale and immediacy of the problem. Climate change impacts are already being felt. Limiting temperature rise to 2 degrees is a target we are very close to failing. I hoped and worked for a deal at Copenhagen, not getting a strong deal in Paris will truely be disastrous. There are however things that make me more optimistic we will reach a deal - The increasing press coverage (listening?) to the concerns and opinions of LDCs - The next COP being held in Lima - will I hope provide significant momentum - The impacts of climate change through erratic weather and disaster being felt in richer nations (sad to say but probably the very odd UK winter is one of the greatest prompts to UK action) - Businesses increasingly interested in climate change opportunities - described by the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning as a new gold rush Urgency is key.' A little less conversation, a little more action' was the slogan we at Practical Action used in the run up to Copenhagen. As a world we need to shout even louder in the run up to Paris.
MorinMossMarch 15, 2014 8:40 am
"My layman's understanding is that over 17 years without surface global warming has high statistical significance" Your understanding is wrong for several reasons. It has NOT been "17 years without surface global warming" - see link below. The correct thing to say is that's the amount of warming seen in that time - and there has been some - is not statistically significant at the 95% confidence level. This is typical for a short trend. Check this from someone who does understand statistics very well. http://tamino.wordpress.com/2014/01/30/global-temperature-the-post-1998-surprise/ As you can see, "no warming" is more than just a stretch of the truth. There's more - one of the problems with that "17 years, no surface warming" is that temperature monitoring coverage of the Arctic is quite poor. Yet, in that time, we have seen some of the most dramatic declines in sea ice extent, area & volume in more than a century. It takes a shocking amount of heat to melt ice - in fact, the amount required to just melt a given quantity of ice into 0°C water would raise that quantity of water from room temp to just below boiling!! All that energy is essentially missing from surface temp measurements and there has been a dramatic decline in global ice coverage. Furthermore, the ENSO cycle has been trending in favor of La Nina events for quite some time yet have had only a minimal impact on the global temp average. This was not the case prior to the mid-70s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Enso-global-temp-anomalies.png The only year prior to the 21st century that's in the top 10 hottest globally is 1998, due to the strongest El Nino in over a hundred years. That standout year, a mere decade later, is our new normal. And Svensmark? While clouds are an important and not fully understood mechanism, the "cosmic ray" speculation is just that - speculation. http://www.skepticalscience.com/cosmic-rays-and-global-warming-advanced.htm
archaeopteryxgrMarch 15, 2014 7:33 am
“The scale of renewables growth is a good thing but largely it replaces decommissioned nuclear, not fossil fuelled power stations.” A 100% bogus statement. As your graph indicates, pv's provide variable power for a few hours. Wind provides random and variable power. Neither, in any amount and any combination may replace a conventional power plant, including a nuclear plant. The "43%" pv's replaced no coal plants; at best they cut back on gas consumption for a couple of hours. 1,000,000 wind MW's cannot replace 1,000 nuclear MW's. Cannot be done. Coal may replace nukes. Nukes may replace coal. That's about it.
GailMarch 14, 2014 2:27 pm
"...the ‘cooling effect’ of aerosols and ozone has been underestimated." Ozone? Are you sure you have that right? Tropospheric ozone is a greenhouse gas.
Cyril CassisaMarch 14, 2014 4:40 am
Why not 80% by 2020 !!! Even EU won't be able to reach 30% by 2020.
Watching BriefMarch 13, 2014 2:32 pm
These comments open up the thin wedge of a tremendously important debate regarding disclosure by large listed companies of long term systemic risks to which they are exposed, and which they understand, or should understand, very well.
Vick MedelMarch 13, 2014 12:36 pm
Bio-fuels are nothing but an additives to petroleum based fuels! This Act specifically described and defined Biofuels as Fuel Additives: (Sic) SEC. 3. Definition of Terms. As used in this Act, the following terms shall be taken to mean as follows: d) Biodiesel – shall refer to Fatty Acid Methyl Ester (FAME) or mono-alkyl esters derived from vegetable oils or animal fats and other biomass-derived oils that shall be technically proven and approved by the DOE for use in diesel engines, with quality specifications in accordance with the Philippine National Standards (PNS); e) Bioethanol Fuel – shall refer to hydrous or anhydrous bioethanol suitably denatured for use as motor fuel, with quality specifications in accordance with the PNS; SEC. 5. Mandatory Use of Biofuels. - Pursuant to the above policy, it is hereby mandated that all liquid fuels for motors and engines sold in the Philippines shall contain locally-sourced biofuels components as follows: 5.1 Within two (2) years from the effectivity of this Act, at least five percent (5%) bioethanol shall comprise the annual total volume of gasoline fuel actually sold and distributed by each and every oil company in the country, subject to the requirement that all bioethanol blended gasoline shall contain a minimum of five percent (5%) bioethanol fuel by volume: Provided, That the ethanol blend conforms to PNS. 5.3 Within three (3) months from the effectivity of this Act, a minimum of one percent (1%) biodiesel by volume shall be blended into all diesel engine fuels sold in the country: Provided, That the biodiesel blend conforms to PNS for biodiesel. Within two (2) years from the effectivity of this Act, the NBB created under this Act is empowered to determine the feasibility and thereafter recommend to DOE to mandate a minimum of two percent (2%) blend of biodiesel by volume which may be increased taking into account considerations including but not limited to domestic supply and availability of locally-sourced biodiesel component. (Sic) FATTY ACID METHYL ESTER [FAME] IFICATION or Trans [ester] ification Transesterification In organic chemistry, transesterification is the process of exchanging the alkoxy group of an ester compound by another alcohol. These reactions are often catalyzed by the addition of an acid or base. Rancidification: Rancidification is the decomposition of fats and other lipids by hydrolysis and/or oxidation. Hydrolysis will split fatty acid chains away from the glycerol backbone in glycerides. These free fatty acids can then undergo further auto-oxidation. Oxidation primarily occurs with unsaturated fats by a free radical-mediated process. Redox (Redirected from Oxidation) Redox reactions include all chemical processes in which atoms have their oxidation number (oxidation state) changed. This can be a simple redox process, such as the oxidation of carbon to yield carbon dioxide, it could be the reduction of carbon by hydrogen to yield methane (CH4), or a complex process such as the oxidation of sugar in the human body, through a series of very complex electron transfer processes. The term redox comes from the two concepts of reduction and oxidation. It can be explained in simple terms: Oxidation describes the loss of an electron by a molecule, atom or ion Reduction describes the gain of an electron by a molecule, atom or ion Combustion of hydrocarbons, e.g. in an internal combustion engine, produces water, carbon dioxide, some partially oxidized forms such as carbon monoxide and heat energy. Complete oxidation of materials containing carbon produces carbon dioxide.
Rambabu YadavMarch 13, 2014 12:30 pm
Unfccc is UN climate change unit.Rich countries should decide positive for climate change&it's resolution.Unfccc can protect the earth planet.lt's need environmental movement for pressure of UN.
Humphrey Kariuki NdegwaMarch 13, 2014 3:42 am
This feature means that policymakers and authorities will be able to not only cope and adapt with the current state of climate change, they will also be given the opportunity to prepare for the possible effects of climate change to Africa in the future. Ultimately, this gives the hope that the future decisions made by pertinent agencies will always take climate change into consideration. This only goes to prove that development is a global concern and responsibility; and with the help of the more advanced and research-capable countries, struggling regions such as Africa can overcome the challenges of climate change.
JohnMarch 13, 2014 1:04 am
If you are looking for a time line of our imminent demise this 417 page extremely detailed in depth report by the Australian Government published in 2009 is a real eye opener. If you want to get right to it, read the executive summary and the conclusion. Even more worrying the report was pulled from the bitre.gov.au website within days of publication although it was clearly a very expensive and comprehensive report. It is available though. Here is one link http://www.manicore.com/fichiers/Australian_Govt_Oil_supply_trends.pdf They are quite specific about what year things are going to start going pear shaped. The report has been very accurate to date.... forewarned is forearmed. The timeline coincides with the comment by "Reality check"
robnbcMarch 12, 2014 5:28 pm
These Republicans are the same people who think the big bang lasted 6 days.
Craig SmithMarch 12, 2014 5:08 pm
Koch Industries is funding climate-change denial. Their goal is to increase their profit by deregulating any industry they're involved in.... and they are spending a LOT of money to achieve that goal.
John CaroMarch 12, 2014 3:59 pm
Senator Inhofe is the biggest hoax. He will go down in history as a true villian in the climate wars.
Ben DoverMarch 12, 2014 1:26 am
Infinite growth with finite resources and no one sees a problem?! Capitalism is not dying, it is death.
Reality checkMarch 12, 2014 1:25 am
The Bakken Shale oil fields have maybe two years in them. As it is they are a short term stop gap. As one oil industry engineer put it. Shale and fracking are like wringing a wet towel. The first time you wring it. A lot comes out. The second time, only a few drops. We are heading for a world of sh*t the likes of which mankind has never seem. I estimate two years before the fun really starts. Having analysed this problem for years now I can say this. There is no solution with 7 Billion people. We are the problem and unfortunately getting rid of 80% of us solves problem. Essentially we have to step back to pre-coal/Oil populations and life styles. When you look at the timeline of oil overlapped with population levels you quickly realise that we really are living in a blip on time line. We are now on the down hill side of the blip.
Dr KeelMarch 11, 2014 4:49 pm
Your comment exposes your ignorance. Perhaps you should take a little time out and do a bit of research. And by research, I don't mean watching Fox News.
DAHoppMarch 10, 2014 7:58 pm
What a waste of my tax payer dollars! Why can't the Senate spend the same amount of time and pass a budget bill?
Climate HomeMarch 10, 2014 6:38 pm
Hi Alex, Fair points. But it's evident that with Kyoto, the lack of emission reductions from major emerging economies led to many say that as an *overall* framework for addressing climate change it was not successful. With Copenhagen - perhaps - but ultimately it was presented to everyone as the chance for a major deal to address warming, and it failed in that respect. Ultimately I guess it;s all a matter of perceptions, but that's my take ed (Sophie is there for us - do say hi)
Alex RandallMarch 10, 2014 3:28 pm
The evidence linking climate change and conflict is actually rather mixed. There are several studies that link civil conflict to changes in rainfall and temperature. There are several that don't. But on balance there is enough evidence to be concerning. There is no evidence of a link between climate and regional conflict (ie between two nearby states) or states further apart. Another worrying aspect of this debate is that the "vector" for the spread of conflict s often pinned on migration and displacement from climate change. There is (as far as I can tell) no evidence at all for this climate change = migration = war nexus.
Dr BrownMarch 10, 2014 3:20 pm
Democrats are at it again, creating another scam like "Obamacare" and "the Federal Reserve Bank". How many more of these scams do the Democrats have up their sleeves and how much longer will the American people have to put up with them?
climate-justice.infoMarch 9, 2014 4:46 pm
Ed, Under "fact check" you say the Kyoto Protocol had a 'lack of participation from major emerging economies" - which major emerging economy did not participate? They all seem to have here: https://unfccc.int/kyoto_protocol/status_of_ratification/items/2613.php? Shouldn't the measure of 'success' of the protocol be whether it led to the 5.2% reduction which was its objective? If it didn't, can we identify why? (hint, BLAME CANADA). Then under "fact checks" you also suggest that Copenhagen was a 'another stab' at a 'global agreement' but as the mandate arising from the Bali COP was pretty clear: it was in fact to agree to a second commitment period of Kyoto AND to find a way to capture non-Kyoto developed country commitments AND to find a way to ensure developing countries could take mitigation actions, in the context of support. The final "fact check" seems right, although you do ignore the second mandate for 2015 coming out of the 2011 agreement - to increase mitigation ambition pre-2020. See you tomorrow! Alex
Tim GmanMarch 8, 2014 8:06 am
Dont they mean POSSIBLE Climate change? Is the Military part of the Global Liberal Conspiracy? !?!
JimsMarch 8, 2014 5:30 am
I have flagged your comment as inappropriate. Hopefully they will take action soon and take down this type of garbage. It is unfortunate that we still have people like you stuck in "la-la land". Face the facts, please and don't waste your time commenting. Seriously.
Bill N Dayna BeaversMarch 7, 2014 4:18 am
Is there a way to help? International Red Cross?
nfeinstMarch 6, 2014 9:17 pm
Incredibly eloquent and accessible article. Thank you so much for being there, and for fighting this good fight; for getting arrested, and for understanding the gift and responsibility of the privilege you talked about. Keep up the good work - your impact is great - on those you know, and those you don't know. thank you.
fiona_wMarch 6, 2014 3:19 pm
Fully agreed that responsible environmental stewardship reflects values all across the political spectrum, from right to left. It's always irked me that conservatives rail against subsidies for renewables but don't comment on subsidies for fossil fuels, which cost 2.5% (!) of global GDP. Real competition and free markets mean a level playing field for all energy sources, as I blog about here: http://power-to-the-people.net/2013/07/lets-not-add-fossil-fuel-to-the-fire-ii-subsidy-phase-out/ Phasing out subsidies for fossil fuels would be a politically viable conservative campaign - 'End government hand-outs to big oil companies', that sort of thing.
Bridget CameronMarch 6, 2014 5:21 am
I am totally appalled by Tony Abbott's retro-vision of doing anything, in particular his open slash directives to dismantle and destroy anything that is natural and beautiful. He denies Global Warming as it is not in his vested interests to do so. He has since being made PM 1. given North Stradbroke Island - the second largest sand dune island in the world and was a playground for people in the Gold Coast and Brisbane- to a miner to lease for 25 years, to do as he pleases,2. promoted industrialisation of the Great Barrier Reef and pushed the Great Barrier Marine Park Authority to the decision to dump dredge material at Abbott Point, instead of dumping it on land ( to save money), by dismantling Environmental Protection Acts, and opposing all the evidence stating that dredge spoil, dredging and industrialisaton will cause irreversible damage to the Reef, eocide, the loss of over $8 billion dollars/year of tourism income, and the loss of the fisheries industry and future fish populations due to chemicals and disease., 3. the negotiations in progress to destroy heritage listed old growth forests in Tasmania and the list goes on... His motivations are clear. He aims to profit the wealthiest mining magnates/ and heritage destroyers in the country- including himself- and to assist the wealthiest people get richer. in December 2013, he gave (ATO) $900 million to Murdoch (Newscorp), whose primary objective in previous years was to debunk the ALP and get Tony Abbott in. Kevin Rudd led the world with his pioneering pricing of carbon, now we have Abbott, who is not a man of vision, only a self-serving and ignorant man, happy to take Australia back to pre-1950's conditions.
WillMarch 6, 2014 3:43 am
This is wrong I don't get it
MoDareMarch 5, 2014 10:19 pm
We already know this, having seen 'Planet of the Apes.'
C.J.SMarch 5, 2014 6:19 pm
Shouldn't this be everyones concern? Shouldn't the government, you know, the people in power do something to protect our ecosystems? Humans are what made the mess so its humans who have to clean it up!
bigmama1744March 5, 2014 5:26 pm
conserve...conservative...what a shame they have strayed so far from the concept
Michael STAVYMarch 5, 2014 4:27 pm
I made a poster presentation of my paper, "The Increase in Global Solar Power Caused by Extending the Kyoto Protocol Until 2030", at Solar Power International 2013, October 21-24, Chicago, IL USA. My paper is a counterfactual scenario that the Protocol was extended until the 2030 at COP 19 in Warsaw. I am now preparing an updated version of my paper for the 2015 COP 21 in Paris. Attendees at COP 20 in Lima can download my SPI13 paper at http://t.co/vdCy84yvxF . The user name is: SPI13. The password is: Chicago1818. I hope that this helps.
Hugh SealyMarch 5, 2014 12:21 pm
Excellent speech. Well done Nauru. You speak on behalf of 44 small countries who have contributed much to the earth's rich tapestry but who now face catastrophic and irreversible loss through no fault of their own. What world are we living in when others can be indifferent to the plight of entire nations?
Nedal Katbeh-BaderMarch 5, 2014 9:27 am
Well Done Thom, Hope that such alarming events will bw able to send red signals to world leaders towards a new and fair deal in Paris 2015.
FMNMarch 5, 2014 8:11 am
Damn you US & EU, you failed to fix pollution you emitted & accumulated over last few centuries, starting with Britain's industrial revolution in the 1800s. Do act on Brazil's proposal to setup a process/formula that would count the historical emissions of nations since 1850 to help set targets, because the rich countries first created the problem of global warming and ought to fix the damage.
Anna Maria PerezMarch 5, 2014 5:29 am
Oh God, here libs go blaming climate change. I sure wish global warming was actually real. I never bought the false premise that it is a bad thing. Globally it is far more beneficial than not.
ChasInNJMarch 5, 2014 2:30 am
Gimme that global warming (clap-clap) Gimme that global warming (clap-clap) Repeat on endless loop.
Mikey PhillipMarch 5, 2014 1:29 am
what a tragic event..
JulesMarch 4, 2014 10:07 pm
where does one make their monetary donation and know that it is going directly to RMI flooding relief fund?
socalphysicistMarch 4, 2014 8:25 pm
First time in human history where social media needs to be used to validate the flawed science behind a political agenda. Remember when science stood on its own?
TuctaMarch 4, 2014 1:10 am
We agree! Please save us from our intolerable parliament!
Otto ReitanoMarch 4, 2014 12:37 am
Could you please tell me how I'm showing my ignorance? Have I missed something, or is destroying entire ecosystems suddenly acceptable?
Otto ReitanoMarch 4, 2014 12:31 am
There seem to be a lot of depressingly uneducated comments on this article... "Australia has a right to put anything into its atmosphere that it wants to" By this logic, you should be allowed to dump as much rubbish as you please into a river filled with other humans. Australia isn't ruining only local environmental systems, but global environmental systems. For a country as developed as Australia to take such an internationally ignorant and irresponsible stance on an issue as serious as climate change is just sad.
BruceMarch 3, 2014 12:44 pm
Really showing your ignorance here.
stanleyMarch 3, 2014 12:30 pm
"broke 70 year records for snowfall" That's called climate change.
Otto ReitanoMarch 3, 2014 10:47 am
"Australia has a right to put anything into its atmosphere that it wants to" By that logic, you should be able to throw as much rubbish as you want into a lake filled with people, without anyone telling you otherwise. It's flawed logic - Australia isn't only contributing to local environmental problems, but also to global environmental problems. It's internationally ignorant and irresponsible for a country as developed as Australia to take such a nonsensical stance towards an issue as serious as climate change.
BruceMarch 3, 2014 12:36 am
This is a good example of English people whinging about things over which they have no control. Australia has a right to put anything into its atmosphere that it wants to.
GaryMarch 2, 2014 10:39 pm
How about Lord Deben be told to mind his own business. We don't need to be told by a Pom how to run our country. The carbon tax is a crazy tax with no benefits. It is costing jobs, and creating unemployment. Australians gave the Government a mandate to get rid of it. So let's do that...
Andrew HowardMarch 2, 2014 9:45 pm
We will need to start laying the legal foundations for redress when the current anti-science mob's damage starts to manifest. Much of the resistance is from the extremely wealthy, so we cannot let them get away when nations need to be virtually restructured due to global warming. I am personally sick of the radicalism of these "conservatives" as they spout hatred, ignorance and hubris while blatantly acting corruptly.
DeanMarch 2, 2014 8:47 pm
Isn't it the opposite? It's Australia's sovereignty being threatened by the economic vultures in Europe and the US that would like to see our economy undetermined in order for them to increase their profiteering from their oversees operations. Who would benefit the most from a collapsed Australian economy? Who has no resources left that has to exploit 3rd world countries by mining or extracting oil like a locust would devour a crop.
GeraldWilhiteMarch 1, 2014 11:23 pm
Yes, I'm aware of your point about our sleepy Sun. The only natural phenomena I'm implying is demonstrated by dung beetles swarming a warm cow paddie.
JamesMarch 1, 2014 10:28 pm
I think Lord Deben should look and learne at what the Abbott Governments Direct Action policy will achieve before passing judgment. Energy efficiency is the core area of this poiicy and if anything the Climate Authorities statement this week backs this up.Emission reduction target can be achieved and exceeded using technology and simple logic; taxing energy has little effect on reducing emissions, the only thing it really does well is put pressure on housholds and moves jobs offshore; no manufacturing, no economy!
promisbergMarch 1, 2014 7:11 am
Isn't science supposed to be "skeptical"?
Dwight E HowellMarch 1, 2014 4:48 am
This a poor country. They are still trying to electrify. If you don't understand that not being able to afford electric lights and electric equipment of all types is a big hurt then you are beyond me.
GCFebruary 28, 2014 11:47 pm
So the author recommends Australians kowtow to The British upper class once again? Lord Deben is the Tom Flannery of the UK and promoter for the UK carbon credit industry which wants Australia to send billions of dollars to for useless pieces of paper. Meanwhile Scotland has broke 70 year records for snowfall this year. We should send zero dollars to the UK. Australia is no longer part of the British Empire and so called "Lords" don't run our country.
Jack WolfFebruary 28, 2014 5:11 pm
I'm not sure I would want a truce with a denialist. Or have them craft climate legislation. Until they recognize reality, they are sure to sabotage the effort.
Donald CiesielskiFebruary 28, 2014 10:27 am
A short-term slowdown in the warming of Earth’s surface does not invalidate our understanding of long-term changes in global temperature arising from human-induced changes in greenhouse gases,” they said. - Well it does prove that you know less than you thought because they didn't have on model that predicted this And poking holes in a theory used to disprove the theory. One thing that I don't see is happiness that the cooling has occurred . Shouldn't all be happy that things have stopped heating up? All that they can reiterate is that there still is warming not the fact that it is cooling and perhaps we now founds ways that we can cool the earth (if the aerosol theory is correct), I think the lack of gladness but a sadness about the cooling is rather telling
Ram SamudralaFebruary 28, 2014 4:51 am
Yeah, but go to any conservative outlet's news and read the posts there and I was frankly quite surprised by the level of dismissal. I think regardless of political leanings, people in general are in a "business as usual" mode whereas I think what is happening in the arctic may indicate it may be too late. I know many people who are left-leaning who don't really believe the problem will impact them in their lifetimes (the next 50 years) and/or that it won't affect the developed world so much. It's hard to give up your lifestyle or even conceive of it. Even I can't and I actually think I care more than most. It's going to be a tough few decades. Watch the arctic - that's where it's happening. The effects are visible (yes, actually visible, for example with the disappearing ice and the the methane plumes, which you can view via satellite imagery or methanetracker.org).
Miguel BennyFebruary 28, 2014 4:04 am
Well...sometimes governments have to act to keep the electric grid flowing I guess - decisions which are contrary to new findings and developments that are just now emerging because peak oil is projected to occur in 2015 and the world is finally starting to wake up to the fact that if we don't start doing something about things like yesterday we are going to big in a whole heap of dung.
Miguel BennyFebruary 28, 2014 4:00 am
This is some of the most useless rhetoric I have seen to date. If you don't understand the issue or have something informative to add to the issue - even legitimate criticism - why bother to join in a debate and distribute such rubbish?
Climate HomeFebruary 27, 2014 10:28 am
Dwight - out of interest, how do you know it's damaging if it hasn't been implemented yet? Are you basing this on some research or experience in other countries? Best, Ed King, RTCC
Tony LearFebruary 27, 2014 8:57 am
Extreme weather is down, not up. Incidence of Hurricanes is down, Tornadoes down and as for the floods in England and elsewhere the IPCC says there is "low confidence" of any link. Use the money to mitigate the growing effects of the new Solar Minimum.
Ram SamudralaFebruary 27, 2014 1:31 am
I certainly think that conservative philosophy and progressivism can go hand-in-hand, as exemplified by Roosevelt (TR), but political conservatism (and liberalism for that matter) are different beasts altogether. Taking care of our planet should be a nonpartisan issue. That it has become partisan says a lot about particular conservatives than anything else. I was on a conservative (townhall.com?) website and what I observed were people in an echo chamber and generally pitiful in terms of racist, negative comments. I couldn't understand the level of discourse taking place. No one's perfect, but one side seems a little more docile.
Dwight E HowellFebruary 26, 2014 11:57 pm
Since a carbon tax is very damaging to the local economy this was a smart move.
blog dogFebruary 26, 2014 9:05 pm
ocean acidification hysterics keep arguing (obviously without knowing the physics) that we're getting warmer more acidic (actually less alkaline) oceans (pH 8.23 to pH8.14 - neutral is 7, more is alkaline, less acidic) in the last 150 years, as per proxy data and computer models - actual readings only go back about 60 years - additionally hysterics call this a 30% increase in acidification (arguable depending on the activity capacity of the free H ion increase which in raw numbers is about 30% assuming the rise in pH is correctly calculated prevailing paleoclimatic theory is that orbitally driven variable insolation (increased sunlight intake) first warms the oceans, causing them to release CO2, slightly enhance the greenhouse effect and set in motion stronger H2O feedbacks - a theory supported by extensive proxy data this author tells us the oceans as doing humanity a 'service' by holding CO2 - natural enough - and that the the oceans are approaching CO2 holding capacity - equally natural - all begs the question: what service, might not a warmer, more verdant planet be better for humanity? after all it's a planet more often (90% of the last million or so years) capped in ice, i.e. little to no life support above the 45th parallel - which would you prefer?
Su MorrisFebruary 26, 2014 2:52 pm
Hi, where can I find a copy of the UNICEF poll mentioned in this article? Many thanks.
DeFietsreizigerFebruary 26, 2014 10:05 am
What natural phenomena are you implying here? You do know that the suns strength has been decreasing for quite some time now?
marysue5252February 25, 2014 11:03 pm
Harper can't be very smart when he ignores the state of our country and our planet. Certainly, he doesn't care about us-yech- Canucks. He only pays heed to his filthy rich backers, like Oil Baron Koch Bros who sponsored him via million$ in donations to the Fraser Institute (the latter is a very rich mind-shaping organization masquerading as a 'charity' so the filthy rich can dodge some more taxes by donations to the FI.) The corporate-captive newspapers/TV (e.g.David Black, suddenly an Oil Baron, too) all want people's minds bent to vote for Harper, so the Oily Barons'll pay less percentage in taxes than the working poor, and get more millions of taxpayers' money in grants in trurn. The media also want those lucrative Con ads, all while shaping their readers/watchers into accepting the New Feudalism. Things don't look good for us, the people. So we must remember to cover our wrists with Tubegauz for protection from our impending shackles.
HemrajFebruary 24, 2014 3:02 pm
Could not agree more with Hugh. What we need is a commitment not in words but in action to move this along. In addition, we need to increase the sensitization efforts to get more companies involve as well as govt agencies to demand more be done. So be Bold and innovate. Hemraj ramdath
GeraldWilhiteFebruary 23, 2014 6:15 pm
Just what we need. More "maybe" model prognostications based on those amazingly accurate IPCC climate models. Didn't anybody tell these guys that "open water" in the Arctic is a regular natural occurrence? And is "increased economic access" in the Arctic supposed to shock anybody? Somebody should tell these guys that their shocking observation that temperatures have gone up 0.8C deg since 1750 (0.3C deg per century) suggests a trend way, way below the IPCC's lowest 1.5C deg projection. The bottom line here is that these armchair Arctic researchers say It all “makes a strong case to begin mitigation activities". That's climate change code talk for "Please, please give us more grant money next year so we can keep loafing around the lab, maybe making some SWAGs (scientific wild ass guesses) about what 'mitigation activity' means."
Bill GreshamFebruary 23, 2014 1:06 pm
Bob, why would they have a duty to tell what they don't believe?
James GreysonFebruary 22, 2014 10:50 am
Important to be aware of climate security and national security links. Also good to draw in the related links with resource/eco security. May I suggest the next step would be a strategic framework for managing all these links as a whole. This NATO-published piece proposes extending the concept of ‘global security’ for this purpose. http://blindspot.org.uk/global-security/ We're not managing the risks from climate at current levels of warming. Don't believe any 'evidence' that says we'll be fine at 2C. http://blindspot.org.uk/projects/#climaterescue
SvenssonFebruary 21, 2014 3:04 pm
"the recovery in the north"; by which you mean that the ice cover in the arctic was at its lowest ever level in January, February and December, second lowest in Mar, Apr and May, third lowest level in Jun and fourth lowest in the other months of 2013 since records began? Ranging between 66% (Apr) down to 30% of ice cover (Sep) as compared to 1980. That recovery??
PabloFebruary 21, 2014 8:41 am
How are all you Ockers gonna fit into Tasmania?
Mustapha KannehFebruary 20, 2014 4:43 pm
How does it affect the affordability of food??
Rejaldd JournalistsFebruary 20, 2014 1:55 pm
Degradation should not be taken as an environmental issue but as foreign policies.
Robin_GuenierFebruary 20, 2014 11:37 am
My reply seems to be lost. Here’s the essence of it: China and solar power: yes, the Guardian is correct – in fact, China has about 35 GW of solar power. That sounds a lot – but put it into context. China is a huge country and its total electricity output in 2011 was 4692 TWh. Also the capacity of solar PV is poor - 10% on average. So: 35 GW x 8760 hours pa = 307 TWh At 10% capacity = 31 TWh – i.e. only 0.7% of electricity output. Not so impressive. “All countries need to come together in tackling climate change …” Fine words, but the developing economies don’t seem to be interested.
Rick ClineFebruary 19, 2014 7:08 pm
what a waste of money. America needs jobs and oil. Keystone will provide both. The leftists are dragging us all down. In the 70's they were freaking out about "the coming ice age". Never happened…….. I do agree though……the climate changes. IT'S SUPPOSED TOO !!!!!!
Ken TroutFebruary 19, 2014 3:45 pm
Miami has been sinking for thousands of years, in fact the whole Gulf coastline has been falling into the gulf for centuries, this is not climate, its erosion.
Social EntrepreneurFebruary 19, 2014 8:22 am
That's great! It means that African nations get to use up all that solar power from the Sahara desert. Perhaps it would have been a loss for Africa to give away its free energy.
Robin_GuenierFebruary 18, 2014 7:33 pm
Lana: you may not have read my comment very carefully. I didn't say that we had to close down the UK to reduce emissions. What I said was that, as our share of global emissions is only 1%, even closing down the UK wouldn't make a noticeable difference. That's obviously true. BTW the recent floods demonstrate clearly that it's failure to adapt - not futile attempts to mitigate - that show just how costly inaction can be. It might, I suppose, make a difference if humanity was prepared to radically cut emissions. But - to put it bluntly - it isn't. As I noted above, the UNFCCC "Non-Annex 1" group, currently responsible for about 70% of emissions, has consistently refused to accept mandatory cuts - hence the debacle at Copenhagen and the total lack of action since then. It may be disastrous. But I'm afraid it's true.
brock2118February 18, 2014 6:26 pm
No one is interested in the climate story any more. They will get a lot more interested when the administration succeeds in jacking up the price of gasoline and "necessarily skyrockets the price of electricity" as the prez promised us will happen, back in 2008.
Colleen CFebruary 18, 2014 3:45 pm
Will other winter games sites including Squaw Valley, Vancouver and Grenoble also fall victim to climate change induced weather patterns that are literally melting down the list of available host venues? The answer, according to a recent study, is a resounding yes. In all but the lowest greenhouse gas emissions estimates, the goal of limiting global temperature increase to 2° C will not be met. And as a result warmer winters will mean less snow. However, unless global climate solutions are rapidly agreed to and implemented, the damage done to winter sports will only be the tip of the iceberg. http://bit.ly/sochiwinter
JakeFebruary 18, 2014 2:43 pm
Its good to see a positive link between politics and climate change for once! Keen spreading the news, the nation will accept the truth eventually. :)
Douglas WagarFebruary 18, 2014 7:38 am
Odd, a muscle henchmen for Harper for years & Canada & its dirty oil sands. The proof is far from words & thoughts & prayers, watch him closely on that one, cough...
jameshrustFebruary 17, 2014 2:47 pm
The world runs in hot and cold cycles of about 500 years. We are in the middle of a warm cycle, so expect slightly warmer temperatures the next century. These are natural events that man can not prevent. So cutting back on fossil fuel use will accomplish nothing but impoverishing the planet
SayantanFebruary 17, 2014 7:56 am
Inspirational...wish other nations take on similar ambitions in the near future!
Oil sands activistFebruary 17, 2014 3:16 am
Check your sources dear. They spend tremendous amounts of money cleaning up oil spills. I work in the industry and know exactly how much they spend. They are extremely concerned about the effect they have on the environment. Also it was between 800,000 and 1,000,000 gallons of oil in the kzoo river not a billion. Fact checking is important.
Robin_GuenierFebruary 16, 2014 7:58 pm
Interesting. But what this article doesn't mention is that, when presented with 13 issues "now being discussed in Washington D.C." and asked to rank them in order of importance, only 14% judged Global Warming as being of "High Importance" - that was 11th equals (with Abortion) out of the 13. Only the conflict in Syria came lower. The economy and healthcare, for example, got 58% and 47% respectively.
HoosiermanFebruary 16, 2014 6:12 am
This post doesn't mention that Sochi has palm trees.
Garry E. CollinsFebruary 15, 2014 11:23 pm
In the second grade, I was shown an experiment. We froze water in a bottle, marked the water line, and then allowed it to melt. We then noticed the water line had gone down. Ice has more mass than water. Sea levels will rise if ice at the polar caps melt? Second grade. Climate changers are religious zealots who completely ignore scientific fact.
Lana LangFebruary 15, 2014 8:38 pm
Your response is misinformed. Many developing countries are in fact leading the way in climate change mitigation as they recognise the risks and opportunities. For example, although emissions are still rising, China's efforts to introduce solar energy are world-leading. In 2013, China installed more solar energy than any other country in the world: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/chinas-choice/2014/jan/30/china-record-solar-energy Dividing lines between developing and developed countries and "pointing the finger" is a recipe for disaster. All countries need to come together in tackling climate change, through both adaptation and mitigation. We need to recognise the vital collective interest in addressing the global climate crisis, and tackle it together.
Lana LangFebruary 15, 2014 8:26 pm
Your assumption that reducing emissions would require "closing down the UK" is a flawed and misleading assumption. In fact, figures in 2012 showed the UK has already reduced emissions by almost 30% below base years: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/211907/Progress_towards_targets_2012_provisional_figures.pdf During this time, the UK economy has grown and living standards have improved. The Stern Review (2006) also showed that reducing emissions is much more cost-effective than dealing with the impacts of climate change. The recent UK floods show just how costly inaction would be for the UK. Moreover, reducing emissions can actually save money in many ways by improving efficiency and reducing waste, which is why many major companies have specific carbon reduction strategies.
Robin_GuenierFebruary 15, 2014 4:04 pm
Saleemul: As I started the exchange about global emissions I think I’d better explain. But, first, I totally agree with your point that successive UK governments have failed to protect people living in vulnerable parts of the country from severe weather. Indeed I would go further and suggest that government should consider the abolition of wind and solar power subsidies and the reallocation of the money saved to reducing fuel bills and building stronger defences against the anticipated climate chaos. After all, if we’re unable to prevent the chaos (see my comments above), it’s immoral to further enrich rich landowners and the better-off middle classes while harming the poorest and most vulnerable members of society. I believe, however, that your claim that the direction taken by this thread is not one you “even touched on” may be a shade disingenuous. Your penultimate paragraph asserts that current loss and damage is linked to human induced climate change. Then your final paragraph refers to failure to “prevent” resultant impacts – and not, as your claim would require, failure “to provide protection” against them. Whatever the correct interpretation, your article has provided a useful vehicle for an interesting exchange of views. Thank you for that.
Saleemul HuqFebruary 15, 2014 9:22 am
This discussion stream seems to have gone in a direction regarding emissions that I had not even touched on. My point was that the leaders of successive governments of the United Kingdom have failed to invest in adaptation to protect their own citizens (and I am one of them) living in vulnerable parts of the country despite having been warned by the scientists, and that the scale of climatic impacts will become even more intense in future with climate change. The kind of investments that are being done (such as building a second Thames Barrier) will protect the commercial properties of the City of London but do nothing for the people whose houses are currently flooded upstream, and whose children will face much bigger floods in future. If they think things are bad now, they ain't seen nothing yet!
GeraldWilhiteFebruary 15, 2014 8:37 am
As an upfront disclaimer, let me say that I am not a scientist and I have no financial interest at all in fossil fuels. I'm just an ordinary citizen with a very keen life long interest in science. You say "We should be cool, but we’re not.” --- I submit this critique because I think you may be very, very wrong. I see the 17 year pause (which you totally ignore) as a probable temperature plateau signaling the start of a cooling period. My layman's understanding is that over 17 years without surface global warming has high statistical significance that is so high that another two years of it will unquestionably falsify the AGW theory I see AGW as very narrow and antiquated theory. When UN's WMO imposed it the IPCC twenty years ago, it severely crippled the investment payback we should have received from two decades of multi-billion dollar investment in IPCC driven climate science. (By the way, I am totally perplexed by your opinion that IPCC modelers are on the right track.) I'm even more perplexed by your failure to recognize or even mention the 17 year pause, which I mentioned before. The pause could very well be the end the warming trend we've been enjoying since about 1650 at the depths of the Little Ice Age. IMHO, the current period of low solar activity is the strongest suspect for the cause of the 17 year pause. My speculation stems from the opinions I read about from solar scientists. They seem to be very persuaded that pause is start of a long cooling trend, perhaps even the start of Little Ice Age II. Hopefully their expected cooling period won't last long. Despite the ups and downs of the Holocene climate, the general warming trend of this interglacial period has the root of our prosperity. Even so, I fear that humanity will take a severe beating from a long cooling spell. I'm sorry that the link to the paper didn't work for me. I have to ask if your work considers the concepts behind recent work of Professor Murray. It has been widely discussed because of pre-publication informal lectures on his concepts on the internet. I didn't see any recognition of it in the article. His ideas and logic seem to be very persuasive to many climate scientists, perhaps game-changers that cannot be ignored. We'll soon see. His full paper will be published in a few weeks. . Also, I didn't see any reflection in your article of the mind-blowing work of the Netherland's Henrik Svensmark, It is now generally agreed that cloud formation is the key regulator of global surface temperatures. Svensmark theorizes that much cloud development is the result of higher quantities of interstellar cosmic rays penetrating Earth's weaker magnetic shielding as the Sun's emissions grow weaker. In his thinking, as I understand it, CO2's influence plays a minor supporting role relative to H2O and aerosols. Finally I don't see recognition paid to the well established evidence that CO2 kept rising steadily during the 17 year period of the global warming pause. To me this suggests that Salby and Svensmark are right in their conclusion that temperature drives CO2, not the other way around, Isn't that what the geologic record and the ice cores evidence indicates?
Robin_GuenierFebruary 13, 2014 11:12 pm
Hmm ... do you agree that the major Non-Annex ! countries (e.g. China, India, Brazil, South Korea, Indonesia, Iran, South Africa ...) should, in any deal, be subject to the same reduction obligations as the USA, EU, Japan and Russia?
Robin_GuenierFebruary 13, 2014 11:00 pm
But, Moggg, we have to face the reality that mitigation isn't an option. Since the Earth Summit in Rio (1992) via Kyoto (1997) and Bali (2007) to the debacle at Copenhagen in 2009 (and since then) the UNFCC Non-Annex 1 (developing) countries - now responsible for about 70% of emissions - have been adamant that they will not accept binding commitments. Adaptation is the only option. And that requires a total rethink of our (the UK's) climate policies.
Robin_GuenierFebruary 13, 2014 7:10 pm
The chance of there being "a deal that would see major reductions in the world’s emissions of greenhouse gases" is remote: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/02/11/rich-poor-divide-main-question-at-un-climate-talks-says-korolec/. So, if such a deal is necessary if we are to avoid "extreme weather events", we face a grim future. I wonder who is misleading whom?
MOUSSA NA ABOU MamoudaFebruary 13, 2014 6:48 pm
Well, I'm afraid the opposition between developed and developing countries on GHG emissions reductions will be a major barrier for achievement of a climate deal in Paris. It's true that if developing countries are responsible for 70% of GHG emissions, the math clearly shows that the International Community cannot address climate change only by acting on the remaining 30% emissions from developed countries. However, I do not agree with the idea of "mandatory cuts" by developing countries (see the point raised by Lana Lang). On the other hand, we have just one world, one planet and climate induced losses and damages will affect everybody, so let us address it based on ... that fair principle of common but differentiated responsibility and capability of all countries.
GeraldWilhiteFebruary 13, 2014 5:15 pm
Remember. The world was still in a long term 10,000 year warming trend during the Little Ice Age, which lasted from 1350 to 1850.
Robin_GuenierFebruary 13, 2014 3:18 pm
Even if that were all true Lana (it isn't - see below), it wouldn't alter the fact that, as the UK emits little more than 1% of global CO2 emissions, there's nothing we can do that would make a noticeable difference. Think about it. Supposing that, because of our "huge historical responsibility", we decided to make amends by closing the UK down altogether - thereby condemning over 60 million people to abject misery and degradation - it wouldn't do anything at all to "to prevent the worst impacts of climate change". BTW your emissions per capita are incorrect. In 2010 (and they'll be be more by now) China's were 1.68 metric tons and the UK's 2.16. China's were greater than those of Spain, France and Sweden: http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/top2010.cap Also you may be interested to note that, up to 2010, developing countries accounted for 48% of cumulative emissions since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/10/31/climate-emissions-idUKL5N0IL47J20131031 (they're probably about 50% by now).
MogggFebruary 13, 2014 1:33 pm
Great article. We need action on climate change now - mitigation and adaptation. Id like to think this - and other extreme weather events - will be a prompt to our leaders to take action!
Cherry poppin SnowFebruary 13, 2014 8:05 am
Kinda makes me wannt a go to WalMart and shop to help pay for some of the building construction cost!!!
Chris MarshalkFebruary 13, 2014 4:01 am
There is no power shortage nor impact to the electric grid. The best alternative is to significantly increase Electric vehicles in the street to reduce/eliminate air pollution.
EdwinFebruary 13, 2014 1:26 am
and why is he allowing GMO companies to pollute the water and soil with even more pesticides and herbicides?
Lana LangFebruary 12, 2014 7:56 pm
The UK has a huge historical responsibility for emissions as we have been producing greenhouse gas emissions for over 100 years, as the first country to industrialise. This recent study confirms that in fact the UK has made the largest contribution to climate change: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/01/17/uk-has-made-largest-contribution-to-global-warming-says-study/ Secondly, the UK's emissions per person are 10 metric tons of CO2 while those of China are only about 3 metric tons. Thirdly, if we look at consumption, the majority of China's emissions are from producing goods that are exported to rich countries like the UK. Whichever way you look at it, the UK has a huge responsibility for causing climate change. It may be inconvenient, but it's true.
ChasInNJFebruary 12, 2014 5:03 pm
These athletes should be more worried about the Soviet-style TV coverage that NBC is providing.
Robin_GuenierFebruary 12, 2014 12:00 pm
The idea that the UK, responsible for little more than 1% of global CO2 emissions, could have done anything "to prevent the worst impacts of climate change" is absurd. The real "culprits" are the developing economies - not unreasonably keen to escape poverty and ambitious for economic and political growth. These countries (the UNFCCC "Non-Annex 1" group) currently responsible for about 70% of emissions have consistently refused to accept mandatory cuts - hence the debacle at Copenhagen. China, for example, by providing access to reliable, cheap electric power (largely derived from burning coal) has lifted over 500 million people out of poverty. Do you imagine that the Chinese government feels any need to apologise for that to their children and grandchildren (let alone to the children and grandchildren of UK voters)?
MollycaresFebruary 12, 2014 3:38 am
We can start by making sure there are strong water protection laws in all of the states. Disallow fossil fuel subsidies. Tax carbon release.
windyblueFebruary 11, 2014 7:58 pm
I can believe this our wild life in the the north pole they are moving polar bears drowned and our weather has changed very much. some people do not believe this Man kind as really recked this world with the things we have done over the decades. Now we pay the price for it . If it keeps up our grand children and great grandchildren will have zero.
JohnGa1tFebruary 11, 2014 12:06 pm
Well we certainly know that Al Gore and Lord Stern don't want their business put at risk by "climate complacency" complacency
JohnGa1tFebruary 11, 2014 12:02 pm
Would the twenty years of neglect be the result of assurances in the 90's that the UK was more likely to be more drought stricken as a result of Global Warming? Perhaps we could go back and look at what was said at the time.
Jack WolfFebruary 10, 2014 6:29 pm
Yea??? Then why did Obama increase US fossil fuel production to record levels? And, all that talk about fracking being cleaner that coal is a bunch of hoey. There's too much leakage of methane let alone other pollutants, not to mention man made earthquakes in all the fracking states. I'm sorry I volunteered for his 08 primary run.
Haroon AkramFebruary 8, 2014 9:04 pm
We are facing weather extremism in 2014 and the policy focuses 2030, okay we can wait for it but there should be some implementation at least but unfortunately we do not have this implemented at any level. We have damages reached to 5.42 % of GDP. production of rice, main food crop has been reduced by 30 % due to extreme weather events this year. There is a dire need of some immediate action, we are short of capacity, the legislation should be implemented. General public, the major stakeholder should be involved in the process. They do not know what climate change actually is. Government should focus on it.
mapleleafupFebruary 7, 2014 11:13 pm
Of course Christiana Figueres would require sound scientific evidence other than dicey computer models.
Bryn KewleyFebruary 7, 2014 6:59 pm
The strike price debate will be crucial. Tidal lagoons being at the very beginning of their cost curve (first one in the world!) we should expect costs to be higher than most. You make the excellent point that the second lagoon is expected to be cheaper than offshore wind. This innovative new idea is definitely worth the investment.
Say Yes to FactsFebruary 7, 2014 12:14 pm
Check your facts. Not even Chernobyl destroyed any ecosystems. It at worst displaces humans, making it unlivable to us (b/c of increase cancer risk) but that hardly matters to the ecosystem. If anything nuclear disasters benefit the ecosystems because it removes any human interference to that area anymore. Also isn't immediate short term action what all environmentalists say we need? "If we don't decrease emissions by X by 20YY...then temperatures will rise by.." Sound like immediate action is needed.
say no to CO2February 7, 2014 10:44 am
short term CO2 savings from "renewables" like wind and solar which heavily depend on coal&gas backup can never justify the amount of damage these backups which will evnetually run every time the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow do to the environment. we must stop polluting the atmosphere ASAP and there's no way doing it without nuclear power. the externalized costs of climate change outweigh the costs, both economic and ecologic, of any possible (and very very unlikely) nuclear desaster by a million times.
LandbeyondFebruary 6, 2014 8:59 pm
So Kerry will be urging Obama to change his "all of the above" energy policy and actually do something about emissions? No? Thought not.
JamesFebruary 6, 2014 7:24 am
Its is partially fact, because if everyone using EV, then massive power shortage will happen. The best alternative is, increasing electricity productions grids or minimizing the electric vehicles in street roads.
NicoFebruary 5, 2014 7:17 pm
He didn't say climate targets were stupid. He said the EU going it alone without action from other countries is "arrogant or stupid". He's certainly skeptical of 40% but your headline is misleading.
Ray Del ColleFebruary 5, 2014 6:46 pm
"Climate change is already affecting our food, water, health, and homes and businesses. Unless we take action now, the impacts will get much worse." http://clmtr.lt/c/CCv0Ba50cMJ
FatBastage72February 5, 2014 1:56 pm
No Alex, they're our past and there are good reasons windmills, waterwheels and working only during daylight are history now. Nuclear fusion is the future, but in the meantime it's coal, oil and gas, the odd expensive, unreliable monument to political folly notwithstanding. NIMBYs only manage to reduce your ability to locally source the energy you need today.
GabrielaFebruary 5, 2014 11:35 am
Such a useful comment...typical of someone enjoying heating in winter, air-conditioning in summer, sufficient meals and a high speed internet connection. Unless you live in the woods, you are, to some extent, part of this "destruction and genocide" process. You write in a perfect English, so I'll assume you come from an English speaking country. The US? just stop speaking NOW, and start looking at the problems involved by shale gas development (which besides, provided the electricity you used to write your post). Australia ? Look at huge coal mines destroying the soil, and terrible agricultural techniques that every year spread desertification. Kenya? open mines with low security and environmental standards, no monitoring of industries pollution and so on...And if you live in a rich country, you still consume more energy, and so pollute more than a Chinese, because your living standards are just higher. Now, instead of saying that we must banish this coal that is still essential to millions of people's lives, I suggest you to find out about clean coal technologies already in use where government standards impose them (washing techniques, dust-removing facilities, desulfurization and denitration facilities), and which could ensure electricity and heat for everyone while limiting the environmental impact. The problem is not coal, the problem is low environmental standards and lack of enforcement procedures, in developed countries and in developing ones. No one wants to pay for mines and power-generation facilities upgrading. It's posher to use solar panels. Besides, solar panels manufacturing is also crazily polluting, as well as their recycling. Finally, I also suggest you look at Victor Hugo's sentence "the crimes of those who lead are not the fault of those who are led" (referring to the sacking of the Chinese Old Summer Palace by French and British authorities in 1860, the whole letter is worth reading), especially in countries where governments are not elected and partially/totally authoritarian. This is for the Asian "greed culture (...) criminality and immorality".
Robin_GuenierFebruary 4, 2014 10:42 pm
"whatever targets it [the EU] sets will be seen as a benchmark for other national pledges at UN talks aimed at developing a global emissions reduction deal." Since the humiliating defeat of the West (and especially the EU) at Copenhagen in 2009, this embarrassingly arrogant statement has been shown to be patently untrue.
JustinFebruary 4, 2014 10:31 pm
Sophie. If you blog on "Energy" heading, it would pay to understand the difference between power and energy. Re. Your wind power paragraph: Megawatts and Gigawatts is power not energy! The difference is deeply fundamental. Get it right next time and gain Kudos. Rgds
CaptainMMFebruary 4, 2014 8:22 pm
Once the UN becomes involved, I get suspicious! It's all a scheme to redistribute wealth. Sorry I'm not buying it!
pmagnFebruary 4, 2014 5:39 pm
Your article is miss leading ... It's going to happen what ever we do. We need to focus on the next goal.
FatBastage72February 4, 2014 3:45 pm
Bill, you could show the sort of moral leadership Connie Headguard dreams the EU (in receivership) can exercise by disowning your worldly possessions (internet connected PC included), turning your back on the comforts of civilised life and adopting a 'low footprint' feral existence somewhere properly wild. Show your commitment to the cause by taking your kids with you. Greenland is still mostly wild, it's one of the poster children the cause warns us is being destroyed and you'd be conveniently located to join the unwashed minions at future 'no-arctic drilling' protests. If you're unprepared to do that, but are prepared to waste energy running a PC for the purpose of moaning about reducing energy availability by 40% then I'm afraid you're talking out of your greenhouse gas vent old son.
Alex StanekFebruary 3, 2014 11:28 pm
RENEWABLES ARE OUR FUTURE.
Say NO 2 NuclearFebruary 3, 2014 2:12 pm
Limited short term savings in CO2 can never justify nuclear power's potential to destroy irreplaceable eco systems on which we ourselves ultimately depend. Only vested interests can sustain pro nuclear economics through externalkisation of costs and government subsidies @SayNo2Nuclear
Robin_GuenierFebruary 3, 2014 1:44 pm
“I urge you, read the latest IPCC report. It’s really chilling." But is it? The key material is in the WG1 section of the report. And there's nothing particularly chilling there. Where are the claims of looming disaster? There aren't any. OK, it says that 51% of the (very small) warming over the past 60 years was caused by mankind - but that doesn't amount to a claim that we should be especially worried about it. And the IPCC accepts that it doesn't really understand the really big questions such as climate sensitivity and the relationship (if any) between global warming and disaster. You almost wonder whether John Kerry has actually read the report himself.
Alex StanekFebruary 3, 2014 1:15 pm
We need them closed ASAP - massive, expensive, dirty polluters. RENEWABLES ARE THE WAY FORWARD
Dani G.February 3, 2014 5:06 am
You are obviously so ill informed on the science of climate change and haven't opened your eyes enough to see the havoc and expense it is causing in tsunamis, droughts, water shortages, sea surges, super storms, etc. You are obviously oblivious to the cost of these superstorms, 65 billion for Sandy, $75 billion for Katrina, tornedoes devasting whole towns, Fema running out of money. Coal is filthy fossil fuels and we are dumping 70 millions tons of brain damaging polluting into our atmosphere ever day. 40 % of USA children now have asthma and many die of lung disease for filthy fossil fuels that are killing our habitable Earth. It is foolish not to see the wisdome in halting the development of filthy fossil fuels READ THE SCIENCE WORLDWIDE. You are destructive of life and and economy with your foolish, unschooled, xenophobic and ignorant attitude and beliefs. Your mentality, like the nefarious Koch Bros., Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP and Conoco Philips etc. is destroying all life on Earth. Wake up, scientists WORLDWIDE tell us there is only about a decade if that to save habitable Earth.
AlbanSW19February 2, 2014 9:23 pm
Keep up the 'ad hominem'; it's the first tactic of you chancers... for "chancers" on the non-survival of your offspring after your non-distant death, is exactly what you elderly men - overwhelmingly elderly, overwhelmingly men- are. Point of information; ( wasted on the information-averse deaf, of course, but here goes): it's the cabal on Yeo's Tory constituency association who are seeking to unseat him. In 2010, constituents of South Suffolk gave him a majority of over 8,600.
AlbanSW19February 2, 2014 9:07 pm
Stupendous! I recommend 'Finance Green Watch', a blog by my friend in Japan, Yoshihiro Fujii, professor of global environmental economics at Sophia University, Tokyo. BBC-2 TV here in the UK has screened the occasional rare documentary, highlighting the heart-rending pain of lovely Fukushima residents making trips back into the contaminated zone, snatching a few minutes in the homes which they will never see again. From similar documentaries, it is clear that the brave lower-level engineers who have risked their lives to save the devastated nuke reactors have been self-sacrificing lions: their bosses at corrupt, stupid nuke operators TEPCO are moral scum, dogs, and thieves in suits. TEPCO executives are like that nasty brown, smelly stuff you sometimes have to scrape off your shoe.
GuestFebruary 1, 2014 11:54 pm
More of us need to call out Congressional climate change deniers for what they are and see that they're removed from office in the next election. Apathy only advocates more of the same destructive behaviors. Our future generations are worth some effort.
GuestFebruary 1, 2014 11:53 pm
More of us need to call out Congressional climate change deniers for what they are and see that they're removed from office in the next election. Apathy only advocates more of the same destructive behaviors. Our future generations are worth some effort. www.ExhaustingHabitability.com
Stephanie LowJanuary 31, 2014 5:49 pm
Hooraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!! I'm so happy for Fukushima, and for all of us.
Jorn WinklerJanuary 31, 2014 12:34 pm
Why do we have so much warming, the answer is quite simple, in IPCC 2007 it was stated that sea ice would be gone by 2100, where the fact is now 2016..! What most are failing to recognize is that there under that ice are 1740 billion tons of Methane or 200 times our combined Co2 emissions over 200 years.. there Sub Sea Methane Gas Volcanoes have now been activated thousands of them http://www.itm.su.se/page.php?... If just 1% of this Methane is released its like our combined Co2 emission over 200 years " Game Over "... go towww.lasthours.org
archaeopteryxgrJanuary 31, 2014 6:12 am
The only way to stop emissions is to stop economic activity (or life for that matter). The "unreliables" garbage has proven to have nothing to do with emissions or fuel savings. Even nukes may not really be reducing emissions. Common sense and basic economics do not need bureaucratic soviet-style straightjackets. Anyone wanting to get emissions down can go jump off a cliff and spare the rest of us.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 30, 2014 10:57 pm
What makes you think, PG_Bill, that whatever the EU (representing barely 10% of global emissions) might do would make any serious difference? The so-called "developing economies" (65% of emissions) made it clear at the UN conference at Warsaw last November that they had no intention of signing up to binding cuts. Nor will the USA (14%). Nor, it seems, will Canada, Japan, Russia and probably Australia (in total 10%). In practice, there's only the EU left. Or do you take the Hedegaard line that the EU is exercising leadership to the rest of the world? But these days the rest of the world isn't very interested in what the EU may or may not do. To pretend otherwise is, I fear, embarrassing, patronising, neo-colonial, out-dated "White Man's burden" nonsense. Sad really.
Kaj EmbrénJanuary 30, 2014 6:01 pm
Climate strategy is a welfare issue The US-based carpet manufacturer Interface has set itself a target of reducing its energy use through improved operational efficiency, aiming to use 100 percent renewable energy by 2020. It purchases clean electricity from the grid and invests it in carbon-neutral, on-site power generation. Currently, 91 percent of the electricity the company uses is from renewable sources, as opposed to 30 percent globally. Interface also uses the option of carbon offsetting so customers can ensure their purchases are more sustainable. Recycling is another sector that is growing. This is not only crucial to protect the eco-systems ravaged by our hunt for raw materials because, as with energy efficiency, recycling has huge economic and job-creation potential. A recent EU study estimated that 400,000 new jobs could be created through the recycling industry, saving €72 billion at the same time. The EU needs to combine climate issues, energy efficiency and renewable energy into a coherent policy for sustainable growth, rather than separating them and moving away from holistic policy. The UK government, which is acting against this type of integrated target-setting would do well to read the Westminster Sustainable Business Forum’s report on building efficiency which proposes realistic efficiency targets and incentives, while arguing that UK businesses can achieve “a cost saving opportunity of up to £1.6 billion through investment in energy efficiency”. More at http://bit.ly/1cb6NOw
Heike ArndtJanuary 30, 2014 4:02 pm
...unfortunally.....its defently not supportet by the danish public where all polls prove that the public is against Goldman Sachs as a partner and there is no doubt that there will be some digging done by the press how come that a financeminister feels more clever than Goldman Sachs - there history from other countries has shown different........unfortunally its the taxpayer in the end paying the bill..... maybe one good thing comes out of this mess that the public startes to get a wake up call to look more closly who they vote for in the future......
Robin_GuenierJanuary 30, 2014 10:15 am
In any case, as Ed King reported here only two weeks ago (http://www.rtcc.org/2014/01/15/legal-outcome-of-2015-un-climate-deal-in-danger-of-vanishing/), a binding emission reductions deal in 2015 is looking increasingly unlikely.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 29, 2014 10:55 pm
Sir David is right, China is indeed "a leading investor in onshore wind technology": it aims to have 100 GW installed capacity by 2015. Sounds a lot. But that has to be put into context: 100 GW installed capacity of wind power (if it happened and assuming 25% utilisation) would be 100 GW x 8760 hours pa x 0.25 = 219 TWh pa. In 2011, China’s electricity output was 4692 TWh (it would be more today and more still by 2015). Therefore, if the aim were achieved, China would be generating less than 4.7% of its electricity from wind. According to the New York Times, 100 GW would only be 3.3% of the total: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/758511.shtml. So its not so impressive after all. (In 2012, the UK generated 5.4% from wind - and no one claims that was very much.) Moreover, it's reported that one-quarter of China's wind farms are not connected to a power grid: http://alfin2300.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/chinas-great-green-bubble-of-overbuilt.html Maybe its tiny contribution from wind is one reason why China's forging ahead with fossil-fuels, mainly coal, and isn't very interested in next year's global emissions reduction deal.
FatBastage72January 29, 2014 3:34 pm
So the Korean in charge of the United Numpties thinks he can pressure legitimate governments into doing their hot-air homework early and then the Korean in charge of the world bank thinks he can pressure real investors into ostracising cheap, reliable energy development. I'm not normally into conspiracy theories, but is this Korea's way of ensuring that what's left of western industry is finally killed off due to spirally energy cost (and can never again compete with Korean industry) and also ensuring that the third world remains firmly in energy poverty (and can never aspire to compete with Korean industry)? One other point; Christiana Figurehead only suggests that investors could be failing their duty of care to shareholders, it's some leap to imply that constitutes 'breaking the law'. Out of interest, whose 'law' does a United Numpties bureaucrat even refer to if they make veiled threats like this? Are we referring to the law of the most generous donor to the UN? Will Obama sic the Marines on you if you lend the money to Namibia to build a new coal fired power station that works instead of lending money to Kenya to build a photovoltaic monument that doesn't? Since we're obviously in la-la land, maybe it's the law of the Galactic Imperial Empire that holds sway and Darth Vader will find our lack of faith disturbing for failing to give a toss everytime one of these unelected puppets makes another toothless threat? The cause just gets more and more crazy as more and more of the voting population understand that gullible warming and the parasitic instutions that live off it were always a scam.
PG_BillJanuary 29, 2014 3:07 pm
The thing that is stupid is not doing everything we can to get emissions down before disaster becomes inevitable (if it isn't already). 40% is not nearly enough and trying to water it down further is idiocy
hmtcphJanuary 29, 2014 2:12 pm
More likely to hit 200.000 protesters within the next day. The investment has caused a lot of trouble for the government in place as they want advocate for sustainability and social responsibility, but in general GMS is seen as the opposite in DK - as a non-ethical profit-chasing company, underlined by the fact that the ownerstructure is constructed in such a way, that no taxes will be paid in DK but are transferred to a Cayman Island like adress. Furthermore GSM has also negotiated a buy back option on terms that are extremely favourable to GSM. Though there is a lot of public resistance to the sale, it does however seem that the sale will go through as there is a referendum in the parlament tomorrow - Thursday, and it seems that a majority of the members will vote pro the sale.
Ray Del ColleJanuary 29, 2014 2:09 am
Real leadership ... "Climate change is happening now. Just ask 97% of the top climate scientists & every major National Academy of Science in the world." http://clmtr.lt/c/CiV0cc0cMJ
LDJanuary 28, 2014 11:49 pm
Several points: 1) The piece you respond to does not discuss investment in renewable energy. 2) There is no such thing as the "Bloomberg Renewable Energy Index." 3) There are some Bloomberg Global Clean Energy indexes. The one focused on solar is up approx. 65% in the past year, the one focused on wind is up approx. 35% in the past year. 4) There is no such thing as the "Responsible Investment Portfolios." 5) The broadest "socially responsible" index out there is the 23 year old Domini Social Index (now called the MSCI KLD Social Index) which has, since inception, outperformed the S&P 500.
FoxgooseJanuary 28, 2014 11:14 pm
Although not terribly bright, I think Yeo eventually realised the stupidity of his repetitive "killer" question. He went even pinker than normal and started trying to shut Lindzen up and move on. "I will rely on the record to show … blah…blah…". No wonder his constituents are giving him the boot.
MikeRJanuary 28, 2014 9:40 pm
Well, that is exactly what Lindzen said, though his words were truncated here.
Brian KernJanuary 28, 2014 9:35 pm
HA! This must be the narrative you tell yourself to help you sleep at night. Nothing you said here is true.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 28, 2014 4:11 pm
Well said. Or, as Lindzen put it, if temperatures increase to "point A" and thereafter are level, obviously very temperature measurement after point A is higher than every measurement before point A. But that doesn't mean they haven't levelled out. It's bizarre that Yeo (and people voting Barry down) are unable to understand this simple fact.
Clive BestJanuary 28, 2014 3:48 pm
I think Yeo's "warmest" decade argument is stupid. If you have just climbed up a hill to reach the plateau at the top then it is blindingly obvious that your current altitude is higher than your average height while climbing up the hill. If the hiatus lasts for more than 20 years, the IPCC may well regret using this measure of global warming.
DoRightThingJanuary 28, 2014 3:41 pm
If they wanted to hold this hearing fairly, then they should have 33 climate scientists versus 1 fossil fuel funded contrarian. Policy makers are trying to fly an airliner with all their families at full speed by committee, in fog, with a hundred speed and altitude indicators all saying different things, and all while being shouted at. People would not fly if there was a 1% chance of crashing, yet we continue to fly this planet with >95% certainty we are going crash it if we continue business as usual. It is incredible how denial can be so powerful in spite of all the evidence.
BarryWoodsJanuary 28, 2014 2:16 pm
yeo's statement is silly. ie the 'warmest decade' does not counter the fact the temperature have not warmed recently. ie temps are flat, for the last 15 years. both statement are true, one does not counter the other.
Dan HJanuary 28, 2014 9:06 am
That's not true, not factual. Big oil has some of the most advanced engineering solutions/technologies on earth. They've already mapped out all the giant oil reserves. They did this years ago. The planet has been scanned/mapped out. Geologists know where they're likely to find huge reserves. The problem is they need to find a NEW Saudi sized oil giant every 3 or so years just to keep production level. Every year with massive deflationary forces that plateau gets harder and harder to maintain. With a massive increase in investment/technology drive/fracking/shale/tar sands etc that's the best they can do. Keep things level. In addition western oil firms are being locked out by Iran, Russia, China, India, Brazil et al. No longer can America/Europe call the shots. America is having to withdraw from the Middle East. Europe is in massive decline. America has placed its desperate bets on fracking which we know will end with horrific declines in a matter of months making the decline even worse. Since 2008 total global conventional liquid fuels production has been declining at a rate of 6% pa. Central banks have been printing like crazy, sovereign debt is skyrocketing, interest rates in the West are near zero. All of this and we're still finding REAL growth impossible. Collapse is coming for the West. It will be an energy consumption collapse and given the economy is a physics energy equation it's GAME OVER. You state "your opinion" that (western) big oil firms will invest more in oil suppliers. Well yes this is what they've been desperately trying to do. They're having to "invest" greater amounts of capital for less and less oil. Oil is a natural (finite) resource so that means exporting nations will seek to limit exports to the West to serve their own markets. India, Russia, Iran, China, Brazil etc. The West is facing an imminent energy crisis and I think any intelligent rational human being can see that. Denial is dangerous.
Gnoll110January 28, 2014 7:38 am
Very much. That why I think it will take food & water problems triggering full scale riots to get the ball rolling.
CharlesJanuary 28, 2014 1:25 am
The figure for sea level rise is what will happen without melting of ice caps. If Greenland and Antarctica melt, you can add another 300 feet! Scary.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 27, 2014 7:40 pm
But the real supporters of the coal sector are the so-called developing economies - notably China and India. As noted above, coal - as a result of its rising use in China and India - will replace oil as the dominant fuel of the global economy by 2020. According to an Oct 13 2013 Reuters report, coal consumption is expected to rise to 4,500 million tonnes of oil equivalent, overtaking oil at 4.400 million tonnes. It quotes William Durbin, president of global markets at energy consultancy, Woodmac: "China's demand for coal will almost single-handedly propel the growth in global coal use this decade. Unlike alternatives, it is plentiful and affordable." And, again as noted above, China and India have vast domestic reserves of the stuff. That's why I said in my initial post that HSBC's "if governments decide that much of the world’s future coal production should be left in the ground" was a big "IF". In reality that's not going to happen - and talk of "stranded assets" is virtually meaningless, whatever the available 'carbon budget' may be.
JohnnyJanuary 27, 2014 7:33 pm
Every country which doesn't address climate change is a rogue state.
PeatJanuary 27, 2014 7:05 pm
The EU must tax consumer products according to their greenhouse gas footprint.
Steve Leary from LAONJanuary 27, 2014 6:21 pm
I'm from the UK. I wonder how an agency of the UK Government is feeling now after it bailed out UK Coal plc after that company went bankrupt last year. It hived off the remaining deep mines (2) and the working surface mines, but via its stake in Coalfield Resources kept an interest in a 30,000 hectare landbank. A proportion of this is proper brownfield land, left derelict from the days of deep mining. However a large part of it is suspected of being farming land overlying shallow coal deposits potentially ripe for 'development'. Was the UK Pensions Protection Agency sold a dummy?
John McGarrityJanuary 27, 2014 5:55 pm
Hi Jeff, if we count Albertan tar sands as a 'single source' (there are lots of different fields, I know, but there are mostly in the same geographic area) then they are a major emitter of GHGs. Canada's own government estimates that tar sands could triple emissions to over 100m tonnes of CO2e by 2030 (an many suspect that's an underestimate). Canada's tar sands currently emit more than Belcatow in Poland, Europe's most polluting power station, so to say its one of the world's biggest sources of CO2 is correct in my opinion. We can split hairs on whether it should be called a 'single' source, but I think its fair to regard it as such. Thanks, John, RTCC
ghormaxJanuary 27, 2014 7:03 am
The key problem is that what helped economic growth (decentralization of power to local governments) hurts environmental protection. With a lack of transparency, the ability to use brute force, and the lure of quick and easy money, I think the odds for change are low even if public pressure increases. That's just a key disadvantage of the type of authoritarian regime that China has.
Heike ArndtJanuary 26, 2014 11:38 pm
..its not 141.000 danes protest aigainst it right now!!!
stasnJanuary 26, 2014 7:26 pm
Thats weather in Australia you cant count it.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 26, 2014 4:29 pm
Yes, but projections to 2040 show OECD CO2 emissions as essentially flatlining whereas emissions by China, India and the other developing economies (already double those of the OECD) are soaring. See this: http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/ieo/emissions.cfm and this: http://blogs.cfr.org/levi/2013/03/29/the-end-of-energy-as-we-know-it-in-three-graphs/
DanxJanuary 25, 2014 11:15 pm
We are living in an ice age anyway. One of the definitions of an ice age is ice on north and south pole.
Jeff BurseyJanuary 25, 2014 3:32 pm
Why do you say that the oil sands are one of the largest greenhouse gas producers when it's not. The oilsands projects are < 1% of world wide emissions but you make it look like its a major contributor
salome riingenJanuary 24, 2014 7:07 pm
Big oil corporations will invest to more oil supplier countries if oil is on demand. It's just that simple because oil is natural resources that they can find somewhere. Many countries are rich in oil but not yet discovered. U.S . can find it here if these laws stay "friendly!"
NDJanuary 24, 2014 4:46 pm
Do read what the quoted scientist himself, Mike Lockwood, is saying. "Unfortunately, I now find myself in the position of being cited as predicting that the current rapid decline in solar activity will plunge the world into a "Little Ice Age". This is very disappointing as it is not at all supported by the science.". He explains why the "Little Ice Age" wasn't really an ice age, how "Evidence is growing for a regional effect of low solar activity"- and why "Another Maunder minimum would have a very small effect globally". He concludes : "Our research tells us very clearly that this decline has only very small implications for global climate, but it does also indicate that Europe may have to get used to a higher frequency of colder winters. These conclusions in no way contradict each other and I think they are both interesting and important". Here is his article: http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2013/11/solar-activity-and-the-so-called-%E2%80%9Clittle-ice-age%E2%80%9D/ . The BBC has also summed up this research, without misrepresenting it as the Dailymail did.
NicholBJanuary 24, 2014 1:52 pm
Of course these targets are not just a preparation for worldwide negotiations in Paris. There are very good arguments for the EU to drive green growth, to reduce the imports of fossil fuels, and to adapt early to a future that will come. Purely viewed in the context of negotiations, as the title suggests, it is good negotiation tactics for the EU to not give away too much, too early. And it is good negotiation tactics for developing countries to immediately express dismay .. in the hope this increases their chance of receiving something from those negotiations. It is still an open question of the ETS emissions trading system will ever actually work, and deliver reductions of CO2 emissions. Is such a trading system simply too easy to undermine, exploit, and corrupt? Especially in the EU, where a complex of states and strong lobbies are all pulling in different directions?
JasonJanuary 24, 2014 10:29 am
Which data are you using to say that EU gas prices rose 35% in the period 2005-2012? The newest information is the EC study released Wednesday together with the white paper: average EU gas bills for industry rose 4% between 2008-2012.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 23, 2014 10:35 pm
This report is wholly misleading. Have a careful look at this table (as published by the NOAA): https://ipccreport.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/noaa.png?w=604 Note that the difference between the "warmest" and "coolest" year is a mere 0.09 degrees C. That's less than the uncertainty involved in such measurement. What the figures really show is that the levelling off of temperatures over the last several years (the so-called "hiatus") is continuing. This was confirmed last week by the respected science journal "Nature"**, which considers the hiatus to be the biggest current problem in climate science. It quoted Gabriel Vecchi, a climate scientist at - wait for it - the NOAA. He said this: “A few years ago you saw the hiatus, but it could be dismissed because it was well within the noise. Now it’s something to explain.” ** http://www.nature.com/news/climate-change-the-case-of-the-missing-heat-1.14525
Hockey SchtickJanuary 23, 2014 8:59 pm
No doubt you will delete this comment as well, which will then be added to the following post: http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/01/official-un-website-deletes-comment.html Why don't you allow a comment on peer-reviewed research published in Nature Climate Change, by lead author Dr. John Fyfe [Co-Chairman of the IPCC], stating that there has been no statistically-significant global warming for the past 20 years?
GeraldWilhiteJanuary 23, 2014 8:22 pm
What gives? This article has no documentation. It appears to be fraudulent. NASA and NOAA say Global warming has been in a pause since 1997, for 17 years. or longer. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/23/newsbytes-nasa-noaa-confirm-global-temperature-standstill-continues/
No Global Warming 16 YearsJanuary 23, 2014 7:27 pm
In fact the data shows there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 16+ years, i.e. global warming stopped 16+ years ago http://www.thegwpf.org/temperature-standstill-dismissal/ http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/01/its-official-2013-was-4th7th10th107th.html
Donald CiesielskiJanuary 23, 2014 1:26 pm
What would be interesting to see would be the percentile difference of what the temperatures were predicted to be by the IPCC for this century.
Ramya KJanuary 23, 2014 8:05 am
I agree on below comments. Its not good to blame on construction about hydro power project. By blaming someone lets focus on how to reduce it. I know without power its very difficult to spend a day. Most of the people are doing great job by hydro power plant.
Asian ConscienceJanuary 23, 2014 1:19 am
the current president is very good at noting the obvious. Look they -developing countries - are doing it because they can. There is no environmental cost involved. If Obama got the vision to be world class leader, the best thing to do is to put in global carbon trading scheme- inc US and let the market trade sort things out. It has been delayed for far too long. Everybody needs to just step up and thats the bottom line. US, Asia, EU...everyone. Carbon tax can be in turn used to repopulate depleted marine ecosystem, clean up pollution and replanting forests.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 22, 2014 5:44 pm
The only "meaningful 2015 agreement" would be a comprehensive, legally binding agreement. But, as this RTCC article reported, that's no longer expected to happen: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/01/15/legal-outcome-of-2015-un-climate-deal-in-danger-of-vanishing/
Robin_GuenierJanuary 22, 2014 5:10 pm
" … if the world agrees tougher climate targets and curbs on the use of the fuel, …" Hmm - that's a big "if".
Robin_GuenierJanuary 22, 2014 4:03 pm
Hang on - this story is about China and India. Their "greed" has lifted over 600 million people out of poverty in recent years.
Climate AllianceJanuary 22, 2014 3:58 pm
@CHedegaardEU LAs are aiming to reduce 30% by 2020 within @eumayors thus exceeding already the #EU2020 objective #EU2030
Climate AllianceJanuary 22, 2014 3:49 pm
@CHedegaardEU LAs are aiming to reduce 30% by 2020 within @eumayors thus exceeding already the #EU2020 objective #EU2030
.........January 22, 2014 6:35 am
http://www.techinasia.com/beijing-residents-watching-fake-sunrises-giant-tvs-pollution/ Sloppy reporting buddy
Honeybee Blaze FrolicsJanuary 22, 2014 5:08 am
Beautiful The waters are beautiful, so why do you pollute them? Do you want to die from thirst? Do you no longer want to swim with the dolphins or lay on the beach with the water? The sky is beautiful, so why do you pollute it? Do you want to die from the poison you breathe? Do you no longer want to soar with the eagle or run through the fields with the wind? The ground is beautiful, so why do you pollute it? Do you want to die from starvation? Do you no longer want to watch the Butterfly, Honeybee or walk through the woods with the sun? The Earth is beautiful, so why do you pollute it? Do you want to never again see the stars,moon, or sun? Do you want to never again feel the wind or water around you? "Do you want to never again watch the Butterfly, the Honeybee, soar with the Eagle, or swim with the Dolphin? books "Poetry by LBJ", "Honey for All" The Earth is EVERYTHING, is our Mother, take care of her.
Max MogrenJanuary 22, 2014 2:59 am
Geoengineering is weather warfare and genocide. Geoengineering was developed decades ago and has been implemented globally for over a decade. Anyone who can't see the evidence of this visible in the sky should apply for government disability because they're either legally blind, braindead, of so deep in denial that they should get their government kool-aid for free. Wake up. Watch this: Mainstream Flounders to Spin the Geoengineered Drought in California http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Gerald KutneyJanuary 21, 2014 3:28 pm
Financial institutions have been behind-the-scene promoters of climate change by supporting the coal sector. It is time for them to step up, such as HSBC and a few others are doing, and warn of the "carbon bubble." Gerald Kutney - author of Carbon Politics and the Failure of the Kyoto Protocol
daisymayJanuary 21, 2014 11:59 am
Humans have been wageing war on planet Earth for decades. Nature is now fighting back, and this is what we deserve. Such a pity that the innocent animal species will suffer too.
Steve LearyJanuary 21, 2014 9:24 am
From Steve Leary, Co-ordinator, The Loose Anti Opencast Network According to this news item, this the Report concentrates on the major international mining companies and has little to say about the propects for coal in the UK. However a recent research item 'Assessing the Need for Coal' projects the use of coal in million tons for UK Power Generation Purposes from 2011 to 2030 based on Department of Energy and Climate Change Statistics. These are some of the findings of the research: . "By 2016 coal use will have fallen by 45%, by 2021 by 80%, by 2026 by 95% and by 2031 by 98%.%." The research can be downloaded for free from: ‘Assessing the Need for Coal’ (January 2014, Steve Leary, 21pgs) at http://coalaction.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/files/2014/01/Finak-C1-ASSESSING-THE-NEED-FOR-COAL.pdf
jfreed27January 21, 2014 5:40 am
Who twisted your mind?
cbrtxusJanuary 21, 2014 4:16 am
I don't recall that any of the scientists/social activists anticipated that the surface-based global temperature records would show no significant warming since around 2001. None of the climate models anticipated the lack of warming. I suspect that some have now been "tuned" to "predict" the lack of warming retrospectively. "Predicting" what has already happened is a lot easier than predicting what will happen in the future. Now we are supposed to assume that scientist/social activists who are still scrambling to try to explain the lack of warming are correct in telling us that geoengineering may be essential. There needs to be a new study to determine just how stupid they really think we are. We should be far more worried about the unintended consequences of what those guys are proposing than the consequences of additional warming that may or may not occur. Solar activity is the lowest if has been in over 100 years. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) is already well into its next cool phase. The North Atlantic sea surface temperature is still in a warm phase. But it leveled off around 2001. It stopped getting warmer. It will, at some point, start moving into the next cool phase. When that happens, the geoengineering being proposed could be exactly the wrong thing to do. We may need to be concerned about the possibility of cooling as well as the possibility of warming.
Nigel ColhounJanuary 21, 2014 3:05 am
The greed of big-business is destroying the world.
Robin_GuenierJanuary 20, 2014 11:08 pm
"Just plain wrong" eh? The EU represents only 9.5% of global CO2 emissions. If it cuts that by, say, 20% (most unlikely), that would mean a global reduction of less than 2%. In the meantime, China emits 27% of global emissions. Why on earth would such a tiny EU cut cause China, determined to increase its economic and political power, to make a cut? To the so-called "developing" economies (responsible in 2012 for 67% of global emissions) what the EU does about energy is of little, if any, significance, Get used to it. Here's what's happening in the real world: http://qz.com/118588/china-will-soon-have-40-more-coal-than-the-combined-weight-of-the-human-population/ and http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/07/china-coal-idUSL3N0K90H720140107. An extract: "Chinese coal production of 3.66 billion tonnes at the end of 2012 already accounts for nearly half the global total, according to official data. The figure dwarves production rates of just over 1 billion tonnes each in Europe and the United States." "Plans to cut coal"? No, I don't think so. As for renewables, I suggest you read this: http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/12/09/why-chinas-renewables-industry-is-headed-for-collapse/, this: http://www.scmp.com/business/article/1227080/china-green-energy-leader-dont-make-me-laugh and this: http://3000quads.com/2012/04/19/china-and-coal/
Neil FarbsteinJanuary 20, 2014 10:46 pm
I have devised some geoengineering "solutions" to runaway greenhouse warming. I am not enthusiastic myself about using them unless sea levels rise uncontrollably. Fertilizing the oceans is a viable option since the effects of adding iron and other nutrients will stop as soon as we stop adding to the oceans- the effects are reversible.
Jonathan Teller-ElsbergJanuary 20, 2014 5:31 pm
If the US does as Moniz suggests--reduce dependence on oil even as it produces more--the result will be growing exports. The oil will be burned regardless of whether that happens inside or outside US borders. The carbon goes into the atmosphere. If Moniz and the Obama administration are serious about climate change, then their perspective cannot be limited to the US alone.
Julian_Williams_in_WalesJanuary 20, 2014 10:58 am
"Tett says that the role that the sun plays in this hiatus has only ever been considered to be minor, and is more likely due to the absorption of heat in the deep ocean, along with the impact of aerosols emitted from China, which have a cooling effect. The findings of the paper will improve scientists’ understanding of the climate system, and therefore improve forecasting." Tett is clearly as blinkered and bigoted as these one track scientists get. This statement should be rewritten ".....has only ever been considered (in his branch of pseudo-science) to be minor". It is a lie to say other more open minded scientists do not have plausible theories and reasons to suspect that variations of sun activities are magnified into forces capable of impacting on the Earth's climate. That Tett simply dismisses these other theories, and sticks to one theory that has been falsified by the observed data records shows what a biased an unprofessional scientist he is.
Hugh MurdochJanuary 20, 2014 10:48 am
It might be a very good thing for someone to challenge the financial institutions' fiduciary duty in respect to this matter. That would certainly make the rest of the financial community sit up and take notice - whatever the outcome.
Hugh MurdochJanuary 20, 2014 10:44 am
Even if the situation is a combination of land sinking and sea level rising, the net effect is the same - the community has to move. Once again, those most affected are those least responsible and least able to afford such a relocation.
Warm DayJanuary 20, 2014 9:55 am
Is a mini ice age on the way? Scientists warn the Sun is 'asleep' http://dailym.ai/1kHJl15 via @MailOnline
MokeyJanuary 19, 2014 2:03 pm
Or... Sunspot activity doesn't have much effect on how much heat the earth absorbs from the sun. Whereas, volcanos apparently do.
darcy_2kJanuary 19, 2014 12:36 pm
You're just plain wrong. We have a 'globalised' economy. China STILL makes loads of goods for UK as it does the rest of the world. I do not hold up China as some bastion of sustainability or global stewardship, however, if you did some research you would find that China plans to cut coal and invest in alternative energies. In fact, UK and Europe use more resources per capita than China. So as much as you point the finger at China, we must point it at ourselves too.....
Climate HomeJanuary 18, 2014 12:19 pm
Hi Clancy - thanks for the note. We don't have the manpower at present to offer subtitles, but I'll see what we can do in the future. Best wishes, Ed King, RTCC editor
oilers_all_the_wayJanuary 18, 2014 3:34 am
The alarmists are truly panicking and for good reason. The truth is out there, you just need to cast off your blinders and stop believing the lies. Its over.
naksuthinJanuary 18, 2014 2:16 am
The Republicans are protecting the coal and oil industry....their chief source of campaign contributions. This week the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) announced that 2013 had been “warmer and wetter than average”, and the 37th warmest year since 1885. - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/01/17/obama-faces-congress-challenge-as-us-climate-sceptics-rise-7/#sthash.5tCk5xOo.dpuf This week the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) announced that 2013 had been “warmer and wetter than average”, and the 37th warmest year since 1885. - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/01/17/obama-faces-congress-challenge-as-us-climate-sceptics-rise-7/#sthash.5tCk5xOo.dpuf This week the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) announced that 2013 had been “warmer and wetter than average”, and the 37th warmest year since 1885. - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/01/17/obama-faces-congress-challenge-as-us-climate-sceptics-rise-7/#sthash.5tCk5xOo.dpuf
JohnCJanuary 17, 2014 8:27 pm
Global sea levels have only risen 3 mm (1/8 inch) annually during the past 20 years. Most of the change that this village has experienced may be due to natural rise and fall of local land masses.
GetrealJanuary 17, 2014 10:29 am
In other words, one of the poorest nations on earth wants access to easy money as the UN uses this bogus issue to redistribute wealth. What utter nonsense. 17 years and no statistical warming according the Remote Sensing System's satellite data set, no rising seas, record accumulated ice, record lows in lightening deaths, hurricanes, and tornadoes and still the snake oil salesmen continue their false advertising.
Greg ErnstJanuary 17, 2014 3:58 am
BRILLIANT THANK YOU Yeb Sano.
Philip HaddadJanuary 17, 2014 1:06 am
I am glad someone is recognizing the threat of nuclear technology. Even if they were absolutely safe, nuclear power emits more than twice the total heat as its electrical output. It is heat, not CO2 that is the main problem. (All energy ultimately becomes heat). The heat emissions alone from our energy consumption are four times the amount that can be attributed to the actual measured rise in atmospheric temperature. If the "scientists" studying the cause/s of global warming did not consider this and include it in their climate models they were derelict and were promoting their own preconceived belief that CO2 was going to be determined as the cause. You can determine for yourself the potential for global warming. For example: in 2008 heat emissions were 50x10E16 btus. The mass of the atmosphere is 1166x10E16 pounds with a specific heat of 0.24 Btu/ #-*F. And it keeps rising. From the standpoint of heat emission, methane is no better than coal. It emits one half the CO2 for a given amount of heat delivered, but CO2 is NOT the main problem.
Jack WolfJanuary 16, 2014 8:55 pm
Maybe the problem is that men have been the captains of industry, rather then women. All I see are male faces on most Boards, even now and certainly in the past. Men are going to have a miserable existence once wives figure out how their husbands have been behaving at work.
John WBJanuary 16, 2014 7:31 pm
Cameron may be wrong about a lot of things but he's right on this. We should start fracking on a large scale now and to hell with the eco Taliban, they're just a bunch of clowns.
DaBilkJanuary 16, 2014 6:09 pm
Christiana, take a long walk off a short pier.
timallardJanuary 16, 2014 3:56 pm
Get it straight, we "are" geo-engineering the planet with excess emissions and shading the planet won't do a thing for how much heat is "retained" until it's dark all day, oh great so how do you grow anything? We're going for 6C no problem until we end fossil fuel use, kiss off the Holocene dreams, no chance at normalcy in climate will happen, anything over 1C is very disruptive to living systems, by 2C hardly a food system on the planet will be very productive including the oceans. Time to bite the bullet and end emissions or get real about what's going on right now, not next week, 400-ppm is so far too high, too fast for living systems the extinction rate is 150-species a day, we are the 6th greatest extinction in geologic history. Great job, wonderful present to leave for your kids. Work on large-scale batter arrays that hold a lot of megawatt-hours like the containers being used by some grid operators for storing power to make wind-solar more practical to grid power,
Robin_GuenierJanuary 16, 2014 3:01 pm
That might have been true many years ago. But today China's economic integration is mostly with other "developing" economies. China's overriding priority today is to continue the growth of its economy. Remember: access to cheap, reliable energy (largely derived from coal-burning power stations) has enabled about 600 million people in China to escape grinding poverty. The Chinese government intends to continue that process.
Michael CaseyJanuary 16, 2014 1:56 pm
11. Ensure Central Banks and financial regulators are mandated to support the transition to the low carbon economy. No Central Bank in Europe or the US is mandated to consider climate change or assist in mitigating it. Odd that given a) the financial markets hang onto every word the CB says and b) climate change is primarily an infrastructure finance problem. If Draghi or Yellen started talking climate both governments and financial markets would take mitigation seriously.
john258January 16, 2014 10:34 am
Every action has a reaction... Be careful what you cut down! http://www.vukacmd.co.za
Sally SJanuary 16, 2014 4:40 am
Really? We would completely blanket the earth and capture all of the sun's rays and no plants could receive them? I think not. Buildings and other impervious surfaces already blanket the earth and we still have trillions of plants....we could attach solar cells to exisiting structures and keep the plants....
darcy_2kJanuary 16, 2014 3:07 am
Agree with you on the Milankovich cycles but you kinda put words in Razzle's mouth! :-[)
darcy_2kJanuary 16, 2014 2:54 am
Exactly. Our climate is changing. We understand enough to know we must act. The rest is just semantics
darcy_2kJanuary 16, 2014 2:51 am
The US senate isn't always correct you know. I'm sure you know that. And the US is arguably the greatest beneficiary or even perpetuator of the status quo / business as usual. Conflict of interest?
darcy_2kJanuary 16, 2014 2:39 am
There is actually quite a lot of information about the the impacts we're having. Here's an excellent paper on Biodiversity loss and how that will affect ecosystems ability to support human life - http://www.ecoservices.asu.edu/pdf/Cardinale%20et%20al,%20Nature%20(2012).pdf Also, the Boreal Forest which has already warmed by 3-4C and in the process, areas of it have become a global Carbon source, putting out more CO2 than they take in largely due to permafrost thaw..... ihttp://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/BOREASCarbon/ Yet the 'debate' continues. Regardless of the timescales of change, if we don't do something radical with our way of life, the planet will alter whilst we stand still. Earth will change with or without us. The question is, will we adapt or die..... We can keep on arguing over causes, but as you said yourself, there is no doubt we 7 billion people affect the planet. Believe you and me, most people who research this stuff despair that it is happening. The main problem we face is that society organises to prevent change.
darcy_2kJanuary 16, 2014 2:15 am
Its all good and well that UKIP have UK interests at heart, and I for one am all for more citizen involvement with the EU. However, taking a consistently UK centric view of things is not always the best way to go - even for UK interests. And anyway, when was the last time anyone voted for Chancellor of the Exchequer or the Governer of the Bank of England?
darcy_2kJanuary 16, 2014 2:13 am
If the EU reduces Carbon emissions, China's would also reduce given that both economies are integrated. China makes the majority of Western goods.... Similarly, India is a big exporter of grains for food and beer.
Jack WolfJanuary 15, 2014 10:18 pm
When I read about how we have experienced yet another climate record, or another quake undoubtedly caused by injection wells, or any of the many record breaking weather events of late, my heart sinks. And, they just keep coming on, and on, and on.. I get this sickening pit at my bottom of my stomach that won't go away. And, I fear that if I don't do something, my punishment will be Al Gore haunting me in the afterlife. Forever and ever. Now, I just can't let that happen, can I? He's much too professorial to be much fun I’m sure, and when I die (most likely in a new record breaking beyond biblical climate event), I just want to have fun. So, no Al please, not that, anything but that. As such, I have decided to participate in the Great March for Climate Action that begins in March and comes to my state in October. I don't want to go, I have better things to do, but I must and so I shall. It is for all of our sakes,the young and even the old at this point. And to get that Al out of my future dead head. http://climatemarch.org/
alpha2actualJanuary 15, 2014 8:55 pm
No. All you have to do is look at the equity and commodity markets, check out the Bloomberg Renewable Energy Index, in the tank. Renewable energy in the tank, and my favorite, Responsible Investment Portfolios in the tank.
Gary WrightJanuary 15, 2014 5:01 pm
Does it mean anything that Generation Joneses have been found to be the most pragmatic?
FatBastage72January 15, 2014 4:11 pm
Lubber said: “These aren’t social investment firms. We’re not making the case that banks or asset managers should be doing this because it’s morally right. It has to be a financial issue.” Which translates to "it's worthwhile for banks to invest in rainbow energy as long as government squander (subsidies) remains high enough", they're working on the old adage that a fool and his money are soon parted. Was the carbon bubble idea launched on the first of the month by chance?
Alan John WebbJanuary 14, 2014 2:40 pm
Im currently a Year 3, Fine Art Student at Norwich University of the Arts. I'm interested to find out: How you feel Joseph Beuys made an impact/influence on the environmental/ecological world? Who did he inspire? Are we still influence by him today? Shown Below: 7000 Oaks. Joseph Beuys (1921 – 1986)
FatBastage72January 14, 2014 1:24 pm
Were you a shop steward in the days before unions and ecotards destroyed UK industry?
Watch DogJanuary 14, 2014 12:33 pm
Don`t succumb to cheap propaganda spread by the country which built its power selling natural gas to half of Europe and Asia . Russians will do anything to stop fracking shale gas in Poland , they will bribe corrupted EU herd to issue "law" in their favor . Money will buy them their status quo of further Poland`s dependence on Russian resources. This fact has already built their position of sovereign in mutual economical dealings . Poland pays the highest price for gas in the entire EU because Poland does not have other options . Other countries extract gas from the North Sea , Poland doesn`t . Don`t be such assholes , because you are in better position , we all realize that extracting gas and oil from under the sea degrades natural environment too. Hypocrites !
FatBastage72January 14, 2014 11:32 am
"No amount of science or robustness of a regulatory regime can prove fracking is safe..." Similarly no abount of engineering or road rules can prove that driving is safe. Should we ban road transport then? Fracking is not new, it's been a commercial operation since 1949, one Gasland mockumentary and local NIMBYs uninformaed hysteria doesn't disprove over 60 years of industry experience. Perhaps you'd prefer to heat you house with locally generated organic methane? Best buys shares in Heinz then old bean.
SaleemJanuary 14, 2014 11:31 am
Dear Pa Ousman, As the only Climate Change Envoy from a Least Developed Country (LDC) and former Chair of the LDC Group you are in a unique position to help the LDC Group act as an honest broker between the developed countries (including the US and Europe) and the large developing countries (such as China, India etc) in order to achieve a global agreement that addresses the global interest rather than only national interests. Saleemul Huq Director International Centre for Climate Change and Development Independent University, Bangladesh
Burnsy McGooJanuary 14, 2014 11:26 am
ENERGY-related emissions - not overall emissions!
J SJanuary 14, 2014 10:50 am
It is obviously a pleasing conceit in the murky corridors of EU power to see themselves as 'leaders' in this area. But what are they leaders of? Foolishness, it would seem to me, is the gentlest category that applies. Leaders of idiocy and ignorance are two that might appear next if I were to shift a little further along the scale towards harsh reality. The climate scare usiness has been an artificial success. Mother Nature has not complied with its diktats. The EU, on the other hand, has.
David CalvertJanuary 14, 2014 9:36 am
Wind turbines are a complete waste of.space, and resources, they take about 18 years just to produce the power that it took to manufacture, if the government was not subsidizing them with vast amounts.of money they would not be built. Let's get Fracking and open up the mines to power Britain. We are sat on hundreds of years of fuel, let's get using it lets sell it took HELP get our economy moving, create jobs,
Phillip2January 14, 2014 7:53 am
UKIP is not a far-right party. It is a party of pragmatists, which has the interests of the UK and all its citizens at its heart. It is a party which believes that policy should be based on evidence and not that evidence should be created to support policy. The unelected and dictatorial EU commission creates evidence to support its extreme left-wing aims.
EideardJanuary 13, 2014 4:51 pm
Yup. Let's guarantee the US economy stays as backwards as politicians who fear science, ignore liberty and choice. Go for it, bubba!
SyzygyJanuary 13, 2014 4:19 am
The experience in the US is that it has been a 'false dawn' - a bubble fraud. 'At a time when much of the world is looking with a mix of envy and excitement at the recent boom in USA unconventional gas from shale rock, when countries from China to Poland to France to the UK are beginning to launch their own ventures into unconventional shale gas extraction, hoping it is the cure for their energy woes, the US shale boom is revealing itself to have been a gigantic hyped confidence bubble that is already beginning to deflate. Carpe diem!' http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fracked-up-usa-shale-gas-bubble/5326504
Wart HogJanuary 13, 2014 1:58 am
OUR FIGHT WILL ESCALATE - WE SHALL OVERCOME!! THE MOTHER FRACKERS WILL BE DEFEATED!!
Robin_GuenierJanuary 12, 2014 9:44 am
"... the EU’s commitment to cutting carbon emissions is seen as the benchmark for other countries to base their own targets on ... " By whom? Not I think China, India, South Africa and the other Non-Annex 1 countries (http://unfccc.int/parties_and_observers/parties/non_annex_i/items/2833.php).
Gnoll110January 12, 2014 8:31 am
It all depend on if this and other information is getting to the Chinese general public. Once the public knows, they need to start asking for action. Governing any country as large (both in population & area) as China is like riding a tiger. The government will act when is perceives that the real or imagined threat of climate unrest is bigger than the treat from economic/job unrest. A few years ago, workers seized control of a factory (steel works from memory) after news of big job cuts broke. They seriously beat up the owner and then prevented emergency service from reaching him. He died of his injuries. No one dieing in climate related riots yet. This is why I'm a Chinese (and other BRICS nations) riot watcher.
ClancyJanuary 12, 2014 6:57 am
I think you're on the wrong part of the internet Erny72. This is the part where intellectually mature people who actually understand science and listen to reason hang out. This ought to help you find your way back home: http://www.desmogblog.com/global-warming-denier-database
ClancyJanuary 12, 2014 6:21 am
Hey guys awesome article. Would you be able to add subtitles to the videos or provide transcriptions? The speakers all have a great technical grasp of the English language but their pronunciation makes them difficult to understand. For example, here is a section from YouTube's automatic captions from Jiang Kejun: "target what's mean you know for global to Team Issue and that we've run the global mall though it was the router global sees hootie mission possibly and come back to thing about what's that Chinese hootie mission" Fascinating discussion topics but frustratingly inaccessible at present.
davidhoustonJanuary 12, 2014 1:38 am
China is playing the West for fools. They are the biggest beneficiaries of the Climate Change Scam.
Paul MahonyJanuary 11, 2014 2:23 am
The term "sustainable beef" is an oxymoron. The world's leading climate scientist, Dr James Hansen says we will not overcome climate change without (in addition to moving away from coal as a fuel source) massive reforestation. Due to the inherent inefficiency and massive land requirements of beef and other animal products, that won't be possible unless we move away from animals as a food source. Other related problems such as methane, tropospheric ozone and black carbon are also critical. Any quest for sustainable beef represents tinkering around the edges, achieving virtually nothing.
Bay0WulfJanuary 11, 2014 12:32 am
Hunh!?! Huge amounts of ash, smoke and other particulate matter be ejected high into the atmosphere and carried about in the jet stream ... gasses as nasty as any that come out of anything that man has created ... You describe all these things as "aerosols"?
Alexis De RoquefeuilJanuary 10, 2014 4:25 pm
Astonishing resignation. Another issue: stop coal and shale gas, we dont need them now ! Hope we win in Paris 2015 !
Paul MahonyJanuary 10, 2014 2:43 pm
Any talk of sustainable meat is tinkering at the edges. Meat is inherently and grossly inefficient as a food source, which contributes massively to its greenhouse gas emissions. Here are some of my thoughts: http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/anita-krajnc/2013/04/protecting-global-climate-vegan-challenge-interview-paul-mahony
Educated oneJanuary 10, 2014 7:36 am
Who the f%^& cares ! Adapt morons ( tree huggers ) Al Gore emits how much with his three homes, but tells us to give everything up... wake up stupids !
Henk Daalder Windparken WikiJanuary 9, 2014 10:59 pm
How much new economic activiity will these goals create?
winonaJanuary 9, 2014 9:34 pm
He should be sectioned!!! There is overwhelming evidence from the US about the horrors of toxic fracking in every respect, no-one wants it but instead want renewables, solar, wind, etc which could easily be achieved and also create real jobs not pretend ones!!! Just because he wants to sneak this in quietly doesn't mean the majority don't hate this, because they do!!!!! He is nothing more than a greedy egotistical little sociopath who thinks of only money!!! Luckily the general population of the UK have had more than enough of this unelected government.
Global Fracking BanJanuary 9, 2014 8:10 pm
No amount of science or robustness of a regulatory regime can prove fracking is safe or ensure the level of safety now or in the future. NOBODY can predict that human error or machine and equipment failure will not occur. But history tells us that the hydrocarbon extraction industry experiences human error and equipment failure on a daily basis resulting in serious injuries and fatalities along with catastrophic environmental damages. In light of this knowledge, and the fact that fracking gone wrong can cause irreversible damage to, aquifers, soil, air quality and the climate, that affect the majority, the long-term impacts that surround the shale and coal bed methane extraction industries outweigh, * BY FAR*, the short term economic advantages to be gained by a select few. Neither can anybody predict whether natural events such as earthquakes, ground movements or build up in formation pressures will or will not occur during drilling, production or long after plug and abandonment that can impact on the integrity of a well.
Just_ChrisJanuary 9, 2014 6:11 am
Japan is lagging the USA in fuel cells???? I am not too sure about that different approach perhaps but I wouldn't say lagging, I suggest a little light reading for the authors of the article http://www.fuelcelltoday.com/analysis/industry-review/2013/the-industry-review-2013 and http://panasonic.co.jp/ap/FC/en_index.html. Bigger isn't always better.
Jack WolfJanuary 9, 2014 4:08 am
We're already getting slammed with climate change impact. Scientists call for an 80 percent reduction, immediately, to avoid truly catastrophic impacts in the near future. And yet Obama's plan calls for 17 percent. It's obvious that the lobbyists wrote this cause you sure can tell the scientists didn't. Are we ever going to stand up and act?
Jens HvassJanuary 8, 2014 10:36 pm
The 3.8% emissions reduction target for 2020 is actually a 3% increase if compared to 2020. And the weakening of the climate taget is several times bigger than what could be ascribed to the missing nuclear power. Thus Japan deserves a healthy dose of international mocking for its lack of climate ambition & responsibility.
Webmaster Puerto VallartaJanuary 8, 2014 6:47 pm
Who are we to listen to? the amoral people that made their money by getting us into this dilemma, or scientists? Yes, it's typical for the ignorant US citizens to think USA is the whole world, but let me tell you, while the US freezes, Europe is having a very warm winter, birds haven't even moved away and even chirp and sing thinking it's some type of Spring... It should be clear that the last ones we need to listen to are economists, the rich guys and right wing extremists, they all have an explanation (reason=>guilt) for why Global Warming is not happening.
Scott SinnockJanuary 8, 2014 6:34 pm
I love a theory where every fact supports it. Temperature increases, simple, due to global warming. Temperature decreases, simple, due to global warming. If not by data, how is the theory to be refuted, ala Karl Popper?
Scott SinnockJanuary 8, 2014 5:59 pm
Yes of course, but if we use that energy it won't be available for the plants. There is no free lunch.
lucyjuniorJanuary 8, 2014 2:36 pm
Great to hear Brits have leadership from the top. We in Oz are smelting heat records but blighted by a coal-hugging anti-climate action PM.
Claire ParkinsonJanuary 8, 2014 11:40 am
The headline for this article is badly flawed. Instead of "Carbon dioxide levels now 61% higher than 1990" it should be "Carbon dioxide emissions now 61% higher than 1990". Many people seeing the headline will think of "Carbon dioxide levels" as the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which has gone up by closer to 12% than to 61%. Technically one could argue that "levels" is okay because it means "levels of emissions", but this comment is about trying to be clear to the general reader, and on that basis the "Carbon dioxide levels now 61% higher than 1990" fails badly.
MjkrupaJanuary 8, 2014 1:15 am
The evidence supporting man caused global warming is underwhelming to say the least. That's why it's no longer"global warming" but now it's "climate change."if it rains Blane climate change. If its dry, blame climate change. Warm--climate change. Cold-- climate change. The truth is the earth gas warned and cooled since its creation. That's why 40 years ago time magazine was predicting the next ice age. These climate change hypers are doing nothing but pushing an agenda and regurgitating what they are told to stay. They should try to think for themselves.
Jacques BellangeJanuary 7, 2014 7:54 pm
Thanks for this article.
Optimist58January 7, 2014 3:27 am
One cold snap or a bunch of record low temps does not disprove global warming any more than one weak almost hurricane proves global warming. Where was all this outrage when all the media were pushing the Sandy story?
GeorgeJanuary 7, 2014 2:52 am
Prof Chris, if you are talking bushfires, these have always been part of the Australian scene. When the First Fleet arrived in Australia in January 1788, one of their first observations was bushfire smoke towards the Blue Mountains west of Sydney. Its in the historical record. In fact, bushfire is so much a part of the natural milieu in Australia that many of the plants here require bushfire to germinate. Please do not cite bushfire events in Australia as some kind of warning about climate change.
Concerned onlookerJanuary 7, 2014 2:05 am
Climate change models predict greater extremes, of all kinds. More floods, more droughts -- more heat waves and yes, more UNUSUALLY COLD WEATHER. People will die in this cold. Trump cannot trump mother nature, but he should be careful about dangerous error. It's scary that the national debate could really be this ignorant.
Jerry JimblesJanuary 6, 2014 9:45 pm
Giant ball of hot energy not too likely to have any effect at all on nearby planets.
Paul RichardJanuary 6, 2014 9:22 pm
Cold weather is usual in winter, and a few cold days, however extreme, don’t affect the main IPCC conclusions - Too bad it is summer in the Antarctic. Nice try lemming AGW worshipers.
galatariaJanuary 6, 2014 6:15 pm
without the participation of the Governments, NGOs and companies and citizens and Religious groups during the preparation of the draft text we are going to produce another one text like the Kioto protocol and to be part of our lack of strong action now to save our Planet. the weakness of the Kioto text are 1. a lot of time to agree on it. 2. the countries which are responsible for more than 60% of the pollution never participate for its implementation. 4. the crisis on climate change is getting worst and maybe at 2020 for implementation of the new agreement is to late to protect our Planet and our lives. we need action now. More pollution means more victims of cancer deceases. the body of the whole Planet and of the Humanity will be in the future in a clinic of intensive care to be able to be alive (ICC). we need action now. with my regards and my prayers and my wishes the year 2014 to be the beginning to save our planet and the hope of the future generations to be alive. 100 hundreds years ago in 1914 the first world war took place in the History of the Humanity and many people died and sufferings were everywere. lets get a lesson of this war of the lack of unity of the Humanity and this year to be the beginning of our unity to take action together to save our Planet and to protect our lives and the whole Humanity. I think Mrs Fugures its time to start now to visit all the leaders in all the countries and to meet also the ministers of environment and other groups to work with them to get a powerful consensus on the new agreement for real and strong steps for change on climate change problems. Green Economy is the solution to save our Planet but also to get out for the problems of the global crisis, of the problem of unemployment, to get the goals of the UN, to finish poverty, to protect democracy and Human rights, to stop wars in Syria, central Africa, South Soudan, to bring security, to unite the international community, to have a beautify world, to bring social justice. to live together in love and in peace, as Nelson Mandela's dream and Gandi's and Martin Louther King, to protect the whole body of the Humanity and the whole creation of God as a gift to look after it and sharing it with love and understanding and tolerance. May God bless you. lets pray for these objectives and the people who support them are more than the ones are working for a way leading to our death. with my regards +archbishop Serafim kykotis, greek Orthodox Church
Scott SinnockJanuary 6, 2014 5:55 pm
"even 2C would put people and ecosystems at "extreme" risk" according to Mandia. What's the problem. People move to warmer climates, higher T, higher CO2 = more food for people, less death due to winter freezing (like now in Chicago where it is now 20 below), longer growing seasons, less heating oil used, etc, etc. The climate debate is currently a "risk analysis" but should be a risk-benefit analysis. There are a lot of benefits to a warmer climate. Would you prefer an ice age?.
Arul Jose John SahayamJanuary 6, 2014 2:49 pm
people who are in responsible position showing only their smile face, giving warning like god either some disastrous going to happen before few minutes through satellite images or showing their teeth we the country will rise once again like this like that keep on giving speech the peoples life gone is gone, going is going some special money rich people feels safe all time up to time but remember its not all time some time games will change leads to cannibalism even more worst than your war culture, this goes to happen when majority people suffer lake of their needs etc think about that time leaders which security goes to safe even their stomach also burns that time ????????????????????
ACMECorporationsJanuary 6, 2014 12:52 am
This does not recognize even more recent studies of the Pine Island glacier in Science and ScienceDaily that note melting of the ice sheet decreased by 50% between 2010 and 2012.
ACMECorporationsJanuary 5, 2014 10:34 pm
And other, more recent studies of the Pine Island glacier show decreased melting in 2012: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140102142010.htm
Stephen JonesJanuary 5, 2014 3:09 pm
The amount of energy from the sun that hits the earth in ONE DAY is more than all the energy we have received from burning all the fossil fuels the world has burned to date. I don't think that people understand the enormity of that fact, and the possibilities the human race has to reverse anthropogenic climate change. I would think that the fact I mentioned could or should be a cornerstone of a new campaign of solar education.
Bob ArmstrongJanuary 5, 2014 12:24 am
Summertime , summertime :) Apparently there has been ice in that location for at least a couple of decades . It's useful to have film from Mawson's expedition one century ago showing definitively the was no ice in the bay at all , just rocky shore .
VisolatJanuary 5, 2014 12:20 am
"Breaking News: There is ice in Antarctica" You would never know that listening to the mainstream media's "science" coverage. Weren't these the same climate scientists that we're telling us the the arctic would be ice free in a few years due to "climate change" ? Given the record ice extent in the south and the recovery in the north in 2013 shouldn't climate scientist be called the "deniers" ?
Bjorn ThompsonJanuary 4, 2014 9:39 pm
it still doesn’t disprove climate change It might not disprove global warming but it does disprove one of the tenants of global warming which is "the ice caps are melting". Right now, there is more sea ice on the planet since we have been measuring it.
Scott T WilliamsonJanuary 3, 2014 11:02 pm
Do you happen to have a source for the number of cities running BRT? Is it the WRI report?
steveart4allJanuary 3, 2014 8:54 pm
In this book, Kimble writes a suffix at the end of the book (in my copy anyway!) that if you're interested in Meteorology, then you could do worse than read "Storm" by George R Stewart, written around 1940. Kimble states that its a work of fiction, but "its darn good meteorology"
Inside the Environment AgencyJanuary 3, 2014 7:52 pm
Inside the Environment Agency Whistleblower Blog:http://www.insidetheenvironmentagency.co.uk
EmJanuary 3, 2014 5:04 pm
It appears that the ice volume (distinct from the extent of surface coverage) is still steadily declining.
the big red ball in the sky diJanuary 3, 2014 7:41 am
The name says it all.
DerpingJanuary 2, 2014 10:16 pm
Hard to reverse stupid too.
bananabender56January 2, 2014 3:14 pm
For the month as a whole, ice grew at near average rates throughout November at 74,800 square kilometers (28,900 square miles) per day compared to the 1981 to 2010 average of 70,500 square kilometers (27,200 square miles) per day. This was despite a period of slow ice growth during the first part of the month. At the end of the month, extent was 580,000 square kilometers (224,000 square miles) lower than average and 420,000 square kilometers (162,000 square miles) above the same time last year.
saveenergyJanuary 2, 2014 12:30 am
King is the man who said in 2002 - "Antarctica is likely to be the world's only habitable continent by the end of this century if global warming remains unchecked”, yet according to The French S Polar station shows no trend since 1950. The trend is negative (Colder) since 1980- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NASA_T%C2%BA_D%27Urvi_1950-2012.gif & http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/antarctic.sea.ice.interactive.html & just to prove kings words wrong - A ship bearing "Global Warming Scientists" Frozen in a world of ICE they predicted wasen't there. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2531159/Antarctic-crew-build-ice-helipad-help-rescuers.html More info - http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/30/the-antarctic-research-fiasco-would-you-could-you-in-a-boat/ You couldn't make it up !!
PMaineACJanuary 1, 2014 1:39 am
More particles dropped into the atmosphere will be and is the cause of our rain problems! I cant stand junk science!
EyeswideopenDecember 31, 2013 4:32 pm
Gee... ti takes a college degree to figure animals are smaller in warmer climates 50 some million years ago?... look at the same animals today and you:ll see the same thing... white tailed deer in the southern United States are smaller than the deer in Canada... and the more isolated the animal is the more pronounced the effect (specifically the Key deer in the Florida keys)... More global warming mumbo jumbo,, back in the 1980:s the tree huggers were telling everyone carbon emmisions were sending us all into another ice age....I would like an honorary Doctorate please!
Jimmy DeanDecember 31, 2013 9:49 am
Plants know that GW exists, but what about the researchers on the continent of Antarctica? Someone get the news to those folks down there, okay, cuz at the moment things aren't looking too warm or even slushy at the South Pole: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2531159/Antarctic-crew-build-ice-helipad-help-rescuers.html
Jimmy DeanDecember 31, 2013 9:25 am
First off, you're behind the times with respect to the latest warming jargon. It's no longer "Global Warming" but "Climate Change" that the zealots employ in their attempt to convince us that the sky is falling. A modicum of critical thinking might illuminate that light bulb over one's head as to why the change in nomenclature. it's a sharp right turn due to the unexplained interruption in the scientists' graphed path of warming that prompted a change in terminology. Easier to smokescreen the issue by saying (as non-scientist nitwits like Al Gore have been saying for years) that unforeseen decreases in temperature are just apart of the climate change dynamic—predictable even though not predicted. Very funny. Secondly, I believe that the term "Climate Change" is accurate, but not as significant as the true believers suggest it to be. The earth has been undergoing warming and cooling trends for millennia—FAR longer than any humans have been in existence to influence said climate change. The main objection I have with the alleged science behind the doom and gloom predictions involves the complexity of our planet's climate system and man's erroneous assertion that a flawed climate change computer model is adequate to predict future conditions. Google it and explain it away if you can. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ear... Knowing what I know about how these computer model programs are set up, I predicted a decade ago that they would be discredited and it has happened. The East Anglia scandal wasn't one for the ages, but it did prove one thing; that scientists have allowed an agenda to trump hard science in this debate, and as the years go by and the disaster scenarios become less and less credible, more and more people are taking it less and less seriously. In 1997, our Senate voted 95-0 to reject the Kyoto Protocols. It was unanimous—Republicans AND Democrats voted it down, and that was during the administration of a stalwart defender of our "fragile" environment (a Democrat, of course!). Do you think that tally would be any different if the same protocols were brought to a vote today? Think again: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic...
Martin_Edwin_AndersenDecember 30, 2013 10:37 pm
Key to saving the Amazon is enforcing respect of the rights of indigenous peoples to their land and resources, an effort that would be all the more effective by bringing U.S. and Canadian tribes and their lessons learned into the mix.
ChiDecember 30, 2013 7:58 pm
Good report. It is true that there is inadequate information on climate change and how to adapt. The absence of concrete policies and policy frameworks is evident in some regions but all countries have basic legal frameworks which support environmental security and justice. This can provide basic guidelines on developing region specific adaptation strategies.
galatariaDecember 30, 2013 7:48 pm
WE HAVE TO BE OPTIMISTIC ALL OF US. WE HAVE ONLY ONE PLANET AND THE LEADERS AND ALL OF US WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO PROTECT OUR PLANET AND HUMAN LIFE. +ARCHBISHOP SERAFIM KYKOTIS. GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH
DOMINICK BALISTRERIDecember 30, 2013 7:15 pm
I highly suggest that everyone commenting here learn about the Milankovich Cycle Theory then we can discuss. http://www.sciencecourseware.org/eec/GlobalWarming/Tutorials/Milankovitch/
DOMINICK BALISTRERIDecember 30, 2013 7:01 pm
Correct.. Click here to back up your comment.. http://www.sciencecourseware.org/eec/GlobalWarming/Tutorials/Milankovitch/
DOMINICK BALISTRERIDecember 30, 2013 6:24 pm
Hey Razzle, nobody disputes that pollution is bad for the planet, however, to stand there and claim that, but without humanity, the Earth would not be warming, or just slower? Also, that if we somehow shutdown then the Earth will not continue to warm and then cool again as it always does throughout history? Click here to take a tutorial on the "Milankovich Cycles theory" http://www.sciencecourseware.org/eec/GlobalWarming/Tutorials/Milankovitch/
DOMINICK BALISTRERIDecember 30, 2013 6:05 pm
Ok, the North pole is melting.. However, the south pole has had a 29% increase in the ice sheet Click here. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10294082/Global-warming-No-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html
DOMINICK BALISTRERIDecember 30, 2013 5:59 pm
STOP already with the PHONY EVIL conspiracy crap.. SHEESH !!! NEWS FLASH: The EARTH has been warming since the end of the last ICE AGE about 12,000 years ago. Question # 1: What force caused the last ICE AGE? Question # 2: What force caused the Earth to begin warming and the mile thick sheet of ICE that covered all of Canada to start melting? Click here.. http://www.sciencecourseware.org/eec/GlobalWarming/Tutorials/Milankovitch/ Nobody denies that human pollution contributes to the warming cycle, however, to have the BLIND BELIEF that, without humanity, the Earth would never warm and the ice caps melt, then cool and the ice caps grow? PLEASE.. Ok, just take the following tutorial on climate CYCLES which are caused by "Eccentricity, Obliquity, and precession. The problem I have is the LONG history of people trying to save the world but only wind up making LIFE SUCK. In California, we have had many political screw ups, such as fuel additives, and bio fuels which actually made the environment WORSE. So, before we all PANIC and and hand over more freedom to the politicians. let's ask them a few simple questions? Which politicians predicted the last economic collapse in 2008? Didn't see that coming huh? So, how are we supposed to TRUST ANYTHING these MORONS say or BELIEVE that they have any idea about the consequences of what they peddle. Also, remember what a famous politician said recently. "Never let a good CRISIS go to waste". Clue: FEAR and CRISIS make people hand over POWER and CONTROL.
ToddMDecember 29, 2013 8:25 pm
How is an honest discussion on an opinion of the facts a diversion. You don't want to concede even the possibility the warming may not be man made and you consider your self open minded? That is not science that is religion.
ToddMDecember 29, 2013 8:13 pm
I know free thought is a threat to your beliefs. Propoganda cannot be challenged under any circumstances.
Doug NusbaumDecember 29, 2013 5:37 am
Assume that you have a beautiful plant. Poison Ivy. It keeps giving you sores. Are you going to argue with it? No, because trying to argue with a plant makes you dumber than a plant. But the deniers of global warming are dumber than plants. Plants know that GW exists, and are acting accordingly. One of these ways is to move up (at anywhere from 1 to 10 feet per year over the past 100 years) Another way is to move towards the poles. This is a global phenomenon, and is well known to any person with a triple digit IQ who studies plants, botany, and ecologies. People living in mountanious areas for extendet periods of time have observed this movement of species of plants. So best to ignore the deniers, cause you have the same chance of changing their mind as you of using logic to change the behavior of poison ivy. Are you really going to tell the plant that if it keeps giving you sores than you are going to stop watering it? Really???
ron banDecember 28, 2013 9:02 pm
The key is to do it without financial pain. Too much renewable backed by subsidies galore is disastrous, as seen by Spain and even Germany. IF they can lower the cost to the extent that zero or minimal subsidies needed, fine. Good thing is if there is one nation that can do cheap and frugal it is India.
tomandersenDecember 28, 2013 7:06 pm
Note the complete absence of cost problems in this proposal. This is a proposal to get money to write a proposal, not something serious.
Other_AndyDecember 26, 2013 7:51 pm
"“Greetings from a chinstrap penguin colony. Populations decreasing due to decreasing sea ice.” But according to the NSID sea ice extend in Antarctica is well above the 1981-2010 average and has broken all the records since 1979 this year. http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png I suppose Figueres is trapped in non-existing sea ice.
DBeckerMichiganDecember 26, 2013 3:46 pm
Antarctic sea ice has been increasing for thirty years and, in fact, is at a record high for the last thirty years (http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/). The total continental ice is also increasing. The people on this cruise are utterly ignorant of the actual data and are really acting like a cult. As a working scientist, I find their actions appalling.
mmdaveDecember 25, 2013 10:13 pm
So political opposition (or worse scientific opposition) has been so intimidated by threats (physical, financial and professional) from the authoritarian-government-backed-machine that they have been forced to go to extremes to hide their true identities. That people oppose an idea should not force them into hiding. We should be morning he loss of basic freedom that this represents rather than chortling over the fact that they must be sinister. When hiding from the inevitable affect of holding an opinion that dissents from the approved viewpoint.
Jimmy DeanDecember 25, 2013 7:13 pm
Interesting reasoning in play here. To all of those climate change deniers...the answer is... TO DENY that any significance should be placed on the 15+ years of temperature slowdown. Very funny coming from the climate change zealots in the Media and in the scientific community who scream from the rooftops every time a region of the country posts a record breaking temp in the dead of Summer. In THOSE cases they favor the short view, but in the case of the 15 year hiatus in higher global temps they say NO, you should take the longer view. You can't help but LYAO at that contradictory and convenient brand of logic.
Greg DixonDecember 25, 2013 6:00 pm
What has hurt the climate debate is the discovery of all of the made up data and collusion between all of the supposed experts that were more interested in funding for their "research" and furthering their political agenda than the truth. Whatever happened to starting with a premise and doing experiments to try and disprove what you believe instead of making up data to fit your assumptions? Science has become as politicized as everything else. Time to hit the big reset button in the sky.
Nanker PhelgeDecember 24, 2013 5:28 pm
Eventually we'll get to a system where renewable energy is used both to power the grid directly, AND to power energy storage through this biological/pressure process or through hydrolysis, or used to power energy intensive processes that are not time critical, like de-salination,plants or concrete manufacturing., Everyone's home will be connected to the grid and to their rooftop generation and to their EV battery in the car in the garage, to help smooth out demand spikes.
J SDecember 24, 2013 4:20 pm
Disgraceful, utterly disgraceful to push such portentous nonsense at children. Responsible adults do not go out of their way like this to share their fears with the young. What can the young do? What will they think when, as they grow older and wiser, they realise that there was nothing like adequate justification for such fears in the first place? We should protect children from the nightmares of feeble adults with access to budgets to make propaganda such as this. As for the claimed link to the UK Foreign Office, I hope someone will look further into this. In the meantime, responsible adults should download 'Climate Change Reconsidered II' if they wish to strengthen their knowledge of climate and help fight back against those who want to poison our children's minds and make them fear their futures.
Wally MenneDecember 24, 2013 5:02 am
"The only way to do this is to persuade rich countries to pay the forest nations to preserve their trees." What utter nonsense! It is the patronising attitude of the "rich countries" and their mindless wasteful consumption of commodities derived from forest conversion/destruction in "forest nations" that is driving deforestation and causing climate change. The real solution lies in the hands of consumer nation governments that must stop measuring their 'economic growth' in terms of how much they can consume rather than how much they can reduce their gross consumption. The money thus saved can then be used to pay off their historical debt to those nations whose societies and ecosystems they have damaged or polluted in the course of exploiting their ecological, mineral and human resources. After all, what does 'economy' really mean? Wally Menne
Jack WolfDecember 24, 2013 2:11 am
Why would you have a climate skeptic in a scientific position? Are you guys nuts over there? I thought we had it bad in Pennsylvania with a denialist now in charge of the agency that issues fracking and air quality permits, but you have a denialist in charge of the entire country's environment ministry and that country is surrounded by rising water. Wow. Oh wait, we have Obama as our top denialist. Never mind.
mememine69December 24, 2013 1:11 am
It's criminal how you news editors and politicians give the impression that science agrees it WILL be a crisis when they haven't agreed on anything beyond just; "could be" a climate crisis. As for you doomers scaring our kids, you can't tell them it WILL be a crisis until science does.
20WilliamHolder10December 23, 2013 8:46 pm
Bunk. There has been no significant warming of our atmosphere in over 17 years. No model projected this "pause". Climate "scientists" and warmists would have us believe the heat is hiding in the ocean - a convenient enhancement of global warming theory given relatively stable temperatures since 1998. Of course these scientists are not in complete agreement with some suggesting volcanic activity or soot from China and India have kept the temps stable. The fact is we don't understand all the variables that impact on climate and how much each is a factor. Each successive article on global warming is more alarming and desperate than the last. Rather than some solid investigative journalism, a liberal media continues to exaggerate and provide cover for the myriad problems and inconsistencies in the AGW hypothesis. Here's what I see reading between the lines, "We better hope we see some real warming soon or the jig is up".
mememine69December 23, 2013 6:47 pm
We can agree to disagree as to whether 30 years of "maybe" and never "will be" is good enough to condemn our own children. Either way, YOU remaining believers can't say it "will be" until science does. It's a "maybe"/"could be" consensus, get over it. Respect the science. Science never committed any hoax or fraud; YOU believers did by lying about scientists agreeing it WILL happen.
Kiff ArcherDecember 23, 2013 5:57 pm
Mr Obama and Mr Harper, will you let me in your gated communities? Will you protect me from radiations, climates changing and hordes of have nots, if I take your money and follow along, does there really have to be a revolution?
Alexandra MortonDecember 23, 2013 5:23 pm
Naomi Klein is a brave woman to speak out like this! I would add that EVERYONE has to see themselves as part of this. Get up from your desk right now and TURN OFF the lights you are not using. Unplug everything that glows a little light when you are not using it. I have lived off-grid for 26 years and when you are on a battery you realize the little power-eaters in your home are drinking energy at an alarming rate. EVERY one of us is part of the need for nations to reduce their power by 10%. The power of one is all we have but we all have it - and that is very very good news, because people get that we are destroying the world our children will live in. Be the change - no really - BE IT now, the dress rehearsal is over!
mememine69December 23, 2013 2:51 pm
When these lazy copy and paste news editors and lab coat consultants and pandering politicians and slavish/goosestepping fear mongers calling themselves plant lovers, altogether agree on anything for 30 years, be suspect not obedient. Science NEVER agreed it WILL be a crisis, just "could be". Now who's the neocon?
ConqueringlionDecember 23, 2013 2:40 pm
Is that Coldplay who fly around in private jets? Time wasters, dilettantes, with nothing to offer the climate debate.
Margaret P.December 23, 2013 12:44 pm
This is a great article but......Lives of ordinary, middle-class people were disrupted due to Hurricane Sandy but climate change acknowledgement did not change, policy initiatives were not discussed seriously. CC needs a great leader and Obama is not one on this issue.
Jan HalvarsonDecember 23, 2013 5:45 am
I can't believe that I've survived so much decline since the 70's ---
Lucien GendrotDecember 22, 2013 9:22 pm
"For the moment, the solar funnel remains a theory. But it could be important in directing future research into solar technology. " Well that was a disappointing thing to read at the END of the article. I'll actually be interested when they create this material.
Dan C.December 20, 2013 11:23 pm
It must have been hard to narrow it down to 10. Even so, almost none of these reflect the work done by frontline communities or people of color. People are fighting for their lives, like the Mi'kmaq who forced a US fracking company to postpone gas exploration plans in Elsipogtog, New Brunswick, with a road blockade and much more. (A great Al-Jazeera video on the blockade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWoRw_fYEGo). A group of regular people turning back a company ravenous for further carbon extraction and combustion? Sounds like a top protest of the year to me.
SamFDecember 20, 2013 9:10 pm
UNESCO plan an ESD conference 10-12 November in 2014. Education for Sustainable Development is an important vehicle not only for pushing climare hyperbole at the young, but also for taking advantage of it. Disgraceful, but that's the UN for you.
anonymousDecember 19, 2013 6:12 am
I like this and will sign.
anonymousDecember 19, 2013 6:11 am
The U.S. and China have the leading edge on ecocide, not Canada. I live in the Tehachapi Pass on the edge of the Mojave Desert. My avatar, the California condor is down to under 100 birds in the wild because companies like Terragen, or should they be called TERROR-GEN have permits to kill them with their unprotected turbine blades, in the name of "green"/"greed" energy. The money going into this garbage technology is obscene. The equipment is expensive and high maintenance, like Jewish princesses. The economy and jobs trump our life support systems, like fresh water supply and keeping agricultural land in tact. Obama for all his campaing rhetoric is another Hitler, war criminal and has lost all control of corporations who are emptying out our treasury and borrowing from communist Chinese, our enemy (not Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria or Yemen.) Congress has turned into 4 years. For 6 years as we've witness thrashing weather patterns, sea rise, unprecedented hurricanes and loss of glaciers, those bone heads in Congress are led around by their noses by lobbyists, energy giants and banks. Not one single positive step has been taken to combat our heating planet. Just look at photos of the pollution in China, Fukushima and California to get an eye full of incompetence at its worst. Photo of Ontario, CA
GenDecember 18, 2013 10:53 pm
This needs a different term. When I see anything against fracking my first thought is that it has to be some kind of anti-human Cylon propaganda
@rollrollrunDecember 18, 2013 3:51 pm
Insightful piece. I'm curious, though, on the actual specifics of what "clarity" and "one voice" might be for German energy policy. There are a few specific issues the country must address, with consumer energy prices being one and the transition away for nuclear (and the resurgence of coal) being another. I've not found an English version of the coalition agreement, but from what I've heard it's heavy on promises and light on specifics (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-coalition-agreement-offers-big-promises-and-few-reforms-a-935970.html). I'd certainly like to hear more on plans for network expansion, both nationally and regionally, as I think the proper incentives and policy could go a long way for not only solving some of Germany's energy pricing problems, but also as a blueprint for other emerging renewable-energy systems.
DocRichardDecember 18, 2013 11:38 am
It has always been, and remains the case that greenhouse gases warm the planet. It has also always been the case that climatologists have to factor in many other components. Science continues to grow, but the constant imperative is that we need to stop increasing our output of GHGS.
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BJC70December 17, 2013 5:44 am
Is that why bats live in cold climes?
MarkDonnersDecember 17, 2013 1:52 am
Coal is destroying the world. Coal is not an integral part of anything except for criminals to profit from the world's destruction&genocide. Smashing and bankrupting dirty industries like coal and anyone associated with that is the only solution. And while China and its immoral Asian buddies are at it, they should stop poaching of the world's wildlife, cutting down what's left of the forests, and wallowing in their only culture, greed. The unspeakable cruelty they display towards pets and animals is a glaring sign pointing to modern Asia's criminality and immorality.
ReduceGHGsDecember 17, 2013 12:43 am
There's no credible debate among those that study the issue. We are deteriorating the only habitat that can sustain us. It is well established science and has been for many years. Join the efforts to change course. Our future generations are at risk of needless suffering. www.ExhaustingHabitability.com
ReduceGHGsDecember 16, 2013 7:32 pm
More of us need to get involved. We MUST change course or allow hundreds of millions to suffer needlessly for generations to come. Apathy just advocates more of the same. Please join the efforts. . www.ExhaustingHabitability.com
Bruce BodnerDecember 16, 2013 3:59 pm
Two reasons for Climate Fatigue : 1) China and India make most of the greenhouse gases and they won't be changing their use of coal anytime soon. 2) Too tired from shoveling snow.
BarryWoodsDecember 16, 2013 1:28 pm
http://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/28933937
Latimer AlderDecember 16, 2013 1:25 pm
I speak to my friends about climate change frequently. It is delightful to be draw their attention to yet another failed doomsaying prediction of imminent Thermageddon as nothing much happens and GAT remains firmly stuck at the same level as the late 1990s. We all like to have some sanctimonious folk to laugh at and climate campaigners seem to be going the way of Jehovah's Witnesses and the guy who used to walk around Leicester Square warning about beans in the diet. Simply put, you don't have a climate change communication problem. You have a climate ain't changing problem. Imagining that you can finesse the difference without ordinary folk seeing right through your wheeze is mistaken
Faraz AhmedDecember 16, 2013 12:35 pm
Please, let the project be continued, otherwise energy shortfall will never end-up!! If this project doesn't complete then we can't hope any help from the U.S. in Energy policies because Pakistan has huge sources of Coal and this is the right time to utilize... That's all...
BarryWoodsDecember 16, 2013 11:31 am
Why does George Marshall find it a tough task, because he was part of the hype that smeared people as deniers, in the pay of fossil fuels.. "Campaigners try their best to build an enemy narrative, bringing in oil companies, organised denial, the Koch brothers, governments, Jeremy Clarkson as their set-piece villains. Maybe, as Bill McKibben argues, you cannot have a movement without an enemy. But I would suggest that this is a dangerous game to play. Climate change will never win with enemy narratives. " - George Marshall which in a recent Guardian article, he realizes is not working' but fail to mention his very own involvement in creating that poisonous climate. He won't allow this comment on the COIN site, but the Guardian published it..! http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/16/climate-change-dangerous-game-enemy-narrative missing COIN comment: "A positive and realistic article, however perhaps some more self reflection is required from the author, about his own involvement in how these enemy narratives came about, so that we can all move on? As the author is himself a leading campaigner who has been playing the 'dangerous game' he describes ref: "Campaigners try their best to build an enemy narrative, bringing in oil companies, organised denial, the Koch brothers, governments, Jeremy Clarkson as their set-piece villains." - George Marshall This is the same George Marshall - who created the first Deniers Hall of Shame - with the Rising Tide group that he founded? http://www.carbondetox.org/html/aboutgeorge.html http://web.archive.org/web/20020610020045/http://www.risingtide.org.uk/pages/hall_shame.html Perhaps George could now advise the Campaign Against Climate Change (and other activists) to drop their Sceptics Hall of Shame, with its enemy narrative, Exxon, Koch, 'denier rhetoric, etc, http://www.campaigncc.org/aboutus/whoweare http://www.campaigncc.org/climate_change/sceptics/hall_of_shame http://www.campaigncc.org/climate_change/sceptics/funders As George Marshall is on the CaCC Advisory Board (Monbiot is it's Hon President) and has been for years, this should be a very easy step to take now, and demonstrate by taking action, that author is serious about ''this is a dangerous game to play' and 'refuse to play this partisan game' Mark Lynas & George Marshall created a Who's Who of deniers a long while back and arguably kick started the dangerous game enemy narrative amongst activists and in the media, note, labelling people with Exxon/fossil fuel/tobacco tactics innuendos Why We don't Give a Damm - Lynas, Marshall 2003 - New Statesman http://www.newstatesman.com/node/146820 "Who's who among the climate-change deniers Bjorn Lomborg, Richard Lindzen, Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas,Philip Stott is Britain's leading climate-change denier ....... Julian Morris,...... ." - New Statesman 2003 - Lynas/Marshall http://www.climateoutreach.org.uk/the-story-of-how-evil-greens-became-energy-enemy-number-one/ This article is a positive recognition that the enemy narrative fails and is a dangerous game to play, perhaps a slightly bigger mea cupla might be required from the author to show good faith and some actions to show the same? Mark Lynas it appears has moved on from this narrative, I asked Mark earlier this year whether he though now that Prof Lindzen (for example) was in the pay of Exxon (or anybody else) and his reply was that it was highly, highly unlikely. Mark was also on the Advisory Board of the CaCC for years, alongside Monbiot, Marshal, Lucas, Lambert & Meacher. But Mark has stepped down from the CaCC, in part perhaps, because of this? ".....Barry, you are right that the ‘Sceptics Hall of Shame’ is itself shameful – I wonder if I can appear on it now whilst still being a board member of the Campaign Against Climate Change (in all honesty I’d forgotten that I was on the board – I never have anything to do with them!)....." - Mark Lynas, June 2011 http://judithcurry.com/2011/06/15/an-opening-mind/#comment-76091 Perhaps, I might be able to believe George Marshall is acting in good faith now with this article, about 'enemy narratives' are 'a dangerous game', when the Campaign Against Climate Change's Hall of Shame and the 'denier' rhetoric there, is removed, or if he cannot persuade them consider the step Mark Lynas took? Marshal (above) "The best chance for climate change to beat enemy narratives is to refuse to play this partisan game at all. We are all responsible." I imagine most people that know some history of the climate change movement, would perceives that some campaigners, like Marshall, Monbiot, (And LYnas) etc are more responsible for 'enemy narratives' and the 'dangerous game' than others, as leaders they created, led organisations/activists, and published these narratives in the media? "But I would suggest that this is a dangerous game to play. Climate change will never win with enemy narratives. Once unleashed, they take on a life of their own and come back to bite us, and we will find ourselves written in to replace our chosen enemies" - Marshall George Marshall does not acknowledge that he chose the enemies and built the enemy narratives himself! If the CaCC refuse to change their narratives (Hall of Shame, Exxon, Koch, denier rhetoric) perhaps George Marshall (like Mark Lynas) should choose to step down from the CaCC as well, ie refusing to play or be seen to sanction the CaCC's dangerous game? Actions always speak louder than words, sadly to me, it look to me that this is more about tactics that have failed, rather than a strong wish to engage and find common ground. If this past is acknowledged and actions taken, perhaps the debate could move on.
JodyDecember 16, 2013 4:54 am
Those Radical ideas will need to transform the whole economic system to one that no longer focuses on growth to name just one transformation that needs to happen. Society in developed economies may need to get comfortable with discomfort such as lower consumption of resources and energy, just in time for the Christmas binge.
Inside the Environment AgencyDecember 15, 2013 6:22 pm
The Environment Agency is in defence mode to try and protect its funding. If just sorts out the questionable staff practices, such as working time and holiday abuse, improve consistency and transparency and restructured unnecessary departments, then the agency could prove to be useful once again. Visit the EA whistleblowing website InsidetheEnvironmentAgency .com
41progress41December 15, 2013 4:37 pm
wow...ignorance is strong with this one. I see how you threw some numbers in there to make it seem like you had knowledge...even though they are made up. You're pretty.
Susan McDanielDecember 14, 2013 3:35 am
a lot to digest
Michael Evan JonesDecember 14, 2013 2:36 am
Thank you, this is an important study
Gordon ChamberlainDecember 13, 2013 6:08 pm
Are Canadians capable of ecocide? The extensive damage or destruction to fish, forests, water, soil resources, to ocean and terrestrial ecosystems, to sharks, whales to our planet's climate threatens our future, must come to be viewed as criminal, as ecocide if we intend to survive. Please consider signing this petition to have the government of Canada recognize and prosecute ecocide under the criminal code and eventually by the International Criminal Court -- http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Prime_Minister_Stephen_Harper_Recognize_extensive_environmental_damage_as_ecocide_under_the_criminal_code/?fbdm
timg56December 12, 2013 6:50 pm
It continues to amaze me that such intelligent, well educated individuals can go on about water vapor when they haven't a clue about clouds. Basic physics allows us to calculate the expected impact of a doubling of CO2 in isolation from all other factors of our dynamic climate system. ~1.1 C. To reach the higher numbers of 3 - 4.5 C, GCM's (climate models) add a x 3 factor from water vapor. They just plug the number in, without really knowing how water vapor acts. The clearest example of that are clouds, which are ....? (Water vapor is the answer we are looking for.) Clouds effect the climate system in a number of ways, providing both positive and negative feedback. Climate scientists cannot tell you whether or not the cumulative effect is positive or negative - i.e. do they act in a way that causes an exceleration of an input (positive feedback) or do they have a damping effect (negative feedback). The models assume it is positive. Which perhaps may explain why their output and real temperature data are diverging.
John in SFDecember 12, 2013 6:41 pm
Donziger is a shyster that cost his clients in Ecuador this award. Chevron was released from all liability decades ago after it cleaned up its part of the mess in Ecuador. The responsible party for the current mess is PetroEcuador. Donziger should have sued them. But he chose to go after the deeper pockets of Chevron and, when the facts didn't support his case, he just made up new facts and put them into the record through bribery and corruption. The indigenous people of Ecuador will get nothing and Donziger is soley to blame. Shame on him.
Barb FDecember 12, 2013 6:37 pm
I'm wondering whether the targets themselves are part of the problem, especially distant targets. Perhaps it would be better to ask organizations and countries to get to zero emissions, the ultimate target, the sooner the better. Setting targets based on educated guesses on how much abuse the climate system can endure and perceived political expediency makes no sense to me.
Joe FDecember 12, 2013 3:56 pm
nice spelling! LMAO
earlrichardsDecember 12, 2013 2:14 pm
To understand the sleaze-side of Chevron, see, www.truecostofchevron.com.
Patricia_TraversDecember 11, 2013 11:02 pm
“I am asking all who come to bring bold and new announcements and action. I am asking them to bring their big ideas.” I hope Ban Ki-moon understands this is a real opportunity to showcase many of the best ideas that have long been ignored by much of the public.
SFGaleDecember 11, 2013 9:18 pm
China and the United States have much in common on this matter, unfortunately. Both are schizophrenic in reconciling economic necessity with environmental necessity. Neither seems capable or committed to reconciling those two competing imperatives, and they must. Both face daunting challenges in adaptation. But of the two, I sense from this distant shore that China's plight is the more desperate and intractable, and a bigger Navy and moon mission will not help. China and the US are approaching the same fork in the road: to build new economies and technologies in the face of a common enemy; or to proceed onward to an environmental cliff with business as usual. This isn't like "Three Gorges". China can't throw enough bodies at this challenge to subdue it. This isn't like the US's Great RePression. It can't throw enough money at it to remediate. I am confident that neither nation has the leadership or enlightenment to avoid severe consequences.
colocodDecember 11, 2013 4:36 pm
It sounds reasonable to me. Drive a car with better milage, insulate your house, do something, anything to reduce your consumpution 10%. Us, the United States,
Aubrey MeyerDecember 11, 2013 11:15 am
These tactics are good and need a guiding strategic framework http://www.gci.org.uk/Documents/Tyndall-Conference.pdf
zlopDecember 11, 2013 8:33 am
"needs radicals like Mandela" ? Another censored blog
RightWingGrahamDecember 10, 2013 11:41 pm
Wind Subsidy farms are extremely effective at transferring money from the poor freezing masses in fuel poverty to the rich landowning classes. That isn't their only trick though, they are also pretty good at killing raptors and bats, a good one can slice up 5 a day - that's 1825 per year. Then there is the variability of the wind cubed. I.e. if windspeed halves the energy available drops to 0.5 x 0.5 x 0.5 = 1/8th. This leads to having CCGT plants idling to follow the variations, which kills their efficiency so much that you end up burning more fuel _with_ the wind subsidy farms than without them.
zlopDecember 10, 2013 10:49 am
IPCC has stopped the climate ? http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=weather+Norwich+2000+to+2013
zlopDecember 10, 2013 9:57 am
Does Yvo de Boer know if GreenHouse gases Warm or Cool ?
TomHarrisICSCDecember 10, 2013 8:54 am
You are right to say that he should speak more sensitively in the light of the huge humanitarian crisis. However, looking past that, his statements appear correct scientifically: "What does a hurricane have to do with global warming, man made or natural. Its not the 20th storm to hit this year, just a strong one. We had the 4th lowest year (ACE 28.55) in the Atlantic since we have kept records." This is one of the few areas of agreement between the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC). In 2012 the IPCC asserted that a relationship between global warming and wildfires, rainfall, storms, hurricanes, and other extreme weather events has not been demonstrated. In their latest assessment report released on September 27, 2013, IPCC scientists concluded that they had only “Low confidence” that “damaging increases will occur in either drought or tropical cyclone activity” as a result of global warming. The NIPCC report released on September 17, 2013 concluded the same, asserting that “In no case has a convincing relationship been established between warming over the past 100 years and increases in any of these extreme events.” Rather than trying to mitigate (i.e., stop) these storms, something we have little chance of accomplishing, we must prepare for them by burying electrical cables underground, reinforcing buildings and taking other actions. Thousands of people died in the Philippines because they were not properly prepared. Yet, when a similar typhoon hit Queensland, Australia in 2011 no one died because they were ready. Proper preparation, not mitigation, is the best approach to dealing with typhoons and hurricanes.
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Brian HDecember 9, 2013 11:11 pm
The EU is the only participating party -- other than the usual suspects among the rent-seeking regimes of the world. Paris will therefore consist of the EU contracting to commit to paying off the poseur "victims" of AGW forever. No one else will be stupid enough to join them.
Michael Evan JonesDecember 9, 2013 3:31 pm
Steve, be careful for what you wish for, your house may be like one of those have been swept away because of Climate change.
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Tony DayDecember 7, 2013 3:35 pm
UK's proposal of 50% carbon emissions reduction by 2030 projects a loss to EU of 0.04% of GDP. This is wholly unbelievable and is based on the same computer model GLOCAF which was used to advise HMParliament in 2008 that decarbonisation via electrification in order to reduce UK's emissions by 80% by 2050 would cost 0.06% of GDP. In reality, UK and EU energy policy is such that delivering a tiny fraction of decarbonisation is already causing the UK domestic price of electricity to rise at double the general rate of inflation. This is both economically and politically unsustainable. The GLOCAF model used by UN and DECC is fundamentally flawed as it is based on carbon trading cost optimisation whereas UK and EU policy is to subsidise the mass deployment of technologies with the highest marginal cost of carbon. Underlying this is the fact that GLOCAF models the cost of international carbon trading, and not the real cost of energy, which is the fundamental economic metric experienced in the real economy. GLOCAF is also based fundamentally on the proposition of decarbonisation via electrification. Electricity is the most expensive widely available energy vector. Replacing other lower cost energy vectors by more expensive electricity must have a negative economic impact which GLOCAF fails to model as it does not include any comparisons with non-electrification based decarbonisation pathways. GLOCAF fails to model: 1 The cost of energy. 2 The relative costs of low carbon electricity and other low carbon energy vectors. 3 The effects of policy supporting technologies with high marginal cost of carbon. 4 The technical and economic interactions between various energy vectors which determine the 'whole system' cost of energy. 5 The price/supply/demand elasticity of energy. 6 The multiplier effect of energy being a universal economic 'good' whose price as an economic input impacts the output cost of goods and services at every stage in the economic value chain. It is travesty that UK and EU energy policy is being so sadly misinformed at a time when the rising cost of energy is causing significant political and economic problems throughout the EU. Crap IN = GLOCAF = Crap OUT? It is very possible that Poland's politicians are doing the whole of the EU a favour by taking the 'heat' for slowing a policy whose true economic impact has yet again been seriously misrepresented by far from disinterested parties.
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neiallswheelDecember 6, 2013 6:57 pm
Better then to have a 'floating' dock permanently in earths" orbit with a cable attached to ferry goods up into space. I remember seeing testing of a concept craft designed to travel up a cable it might have been the x prize some years back
Steve GoddardDecember 6, 2013 4:38 pm
It is -26C at my house this morning. I would like to see about 40 degrees warming.
Physicz HeadquarterzDecember 6, 2013 1:48 pm
Mark Goldes' "Aesop Institute" has engaged for many years in the very dishonest and unscrupulous practice of soliciting loans and donations under an endless series of false pretenses, that it is developing and even "prototyping" various "revolutionary breakthroughs," such as "NO FUEL ENGINES" that run on ambient heat alone - or run on "Virtual Photon Flux" - or on "Collapsing Hydrogen Orbitals" - or even on the acoustic energy of sound from a horn. Aesop Institute's make-believe strictly ambient heat engine is ruled out by the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This has been understood by physicists for at least 180 years. There is no "new science" that has ever determined such an engine to be possible. Aesop Institute's make-believe "Virtual Photon Flux" engine is based on the idea that accessible electric power "is everywhere present in unlimited quantities" - which we know to be false. Aesop Institute's make-believe "Collapsing Hydrogen Orbital" engine is based on Randell Mills' theory of "hydrino" hydrogen, which every scientist knows to be false. Aesop Institute's make-believe horn-powered engine is based on the pretense that a magnetized tuning rod could somehow "multiply energy" - a ludicrous notion, which is obviously ruled out by the law of conservation of energy. Aesop Institute has never offered the slightest shadow of evidence that it is actually developing or "prototyping" any of these make-believe physics-defying "revolutionary breakthroughs." All it has ever offered are mere declarations that it is doing so - unsupported by any proof whatever, of any kind whatever.
John WBDecember 6, 2013 1:08 pm
These targets should not be delayed they should be abandoned altogether.
zlopDecember 6, 2013 11:51 am
test
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Gama XulDecember 5, 2013 9:10 am
Pipe dreams based on colorful ideas, but in reality would be implemented by tyrants for further enslavement and control.
Gama XulDecember 5, 2013 9:07 am
CO2 is required for photosynthesis and cellular respiration. It is not garbage simply because a committee of ignorant and malicious individuals say so. So unless you hate natural living processes or something, I urge you to reconsider your argument because you're not making sense. If there is any kind of imbalance to solve, it would be to stop clearing existing forests and start seeding new ones.
Arul Jose John SahayamDecember 5, 2013 4:35 am
WOW!!!!!!!!!! Amazing !!!!!!!! still u people believe money is going to save u ??????? Going in money concept is !!!!!!!!!! Diving in deep cold ocean with full of man body rolled & tied with para rope
PriyaDecember 5, 2013 3:23 am
its 90% of demolished materials re-used. I've researched many websites and its all 90%. http://www.bioregional.com/news-views/publications/reuse-and-recycling-on-the-london-2012-olympic-park/ http://www.ice.org.uk/topics/Learning-Legacy/london-2012-Olympic-Park-map/Olympic-waste http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/SportAndEnvironment/Sustainability_Through_Sport.pdf Im sure thats enough evidence.
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energy userDecember 3, 2013 9:28 pm
Financial Support is nice when prices are competitive... Why is everybody so opinionated and nobody apprechiates the need for a sound mix of energy sources, including nuclear?
bungayladDecember 3, 2013 5:56 pm
Mr. Catelin brings up the subject of reality yet chooses to ignore the realities of coal burning. When all the elements of burning coal are factored in, the economics don't hold water. The Health of the planet and all its inhabitants needs to be factored in to the equation. The long term degradation of the environment has a potentially fatal cost. It must be factored into the equation. Survival trumps economic considerations by a long shot. In lobbyist's terms, economic considerations are the impact on coal industry profits. Nobody mines coal for the greater good of humanity. They mine it to make money. How can anyone suggest there is an acceptable trade-off between the lives lost from coal consumption and the economic benefits. They think in this manner as they believe it is not their life being affected. Mr. Catelin the reality is that your life and the possibility of you having any descendants is on the line if we don't tackle global warming.
Dale LananDecember 3, 2013 1:57 pm
Reversing the heat pulse acceleration of Earth so loaded with clathrates' methane held in what amounts to Bubbles of water ice foam in sea floor and starting to expand approx 170 to 1 on melt out formation of methane gas in fine sediment is hard to interject into discussion of world politic and finance at massive scale infinite or division of zero by zero but theatre ticket that says hot air is passive is not quite true... The time for action is still upon us to get the show on the road..
John C. Turmel, B. Eng.December 3, 2013 8:48 am
Debates are about facts. Global warming denial is about global warming deniers.Jct: Great Canadian Gambler TajProfessor of Poker Systems Engineering raises the low-tech tuna. I bet Richard Branson 1,000 pounds or Euros that temperate will continue going down over the next 3 years! You can have a piece of that 1000 if you'd care to put your money where you mouth is.
John C. Turmel, B. Eng.December 3, 2013 8:45 am
Richard Branson: climate deniers need to be “called out” Jct: Mann-made global warming "denier" John "The Engineer" "Great Canadian Gambler" Turmel called out? TajProfessor of Poker Systems Engineering raises the low-tech tuna. I bet Richard Branson 1,000 pounds or Euros that temperate will continue going down over the next 3 years! Har har har. Call out a real scientist! Har har har har har har.
littleshot308December 3, 2013 6:47 am
Bye bye raptors .
ClawDecember 2, 2013 10:45 pm
That's too bad, people need to be treated right.
John WBDecember 2, 2013 7:39 pm
Sophie Yeo? No relation to Tim (Trougher) Yeo I hope.
Bruce RichardsonDecember 2, 2013 1:30 am
Mr. Annan thinks that the climate change hysteria is winding down because of a lack of political leadership. My own opinion is that people like Mr.Annan have destroyed their credibility with their exaggeration, misdirection, misrepresentation, and in some cases prevarication. Mr. Annan provided an excellent example with his "just one more shot" hyperbole.
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Michael Evan JonesNovember 29, 2013 3:05 am
Does anyone really believe we will stop burning fossil fuels in time? Too much Money in doing it.
DHZNovember 28, 2013 5:15 pm
Why would I buy a bike from someone who makes false claims as the headline for their press? Makes the whole launch look bad and creates distrust from the start. Anyone who has been involved in electric motor cycles or big scooters knows the headline of "worlds first performance bike" is false to the point of fraudulent. A number of US companies in particular have launched a range of performance bikes from ZERO on the bottom end of the spectrum to bikes like Mission Motors, Motocyst, and a host of others. The big electric "Super Scooters" from ZEV Electric even run with the performance bikes - and have more range than even the advertised range of the Saietta. Even BMW has made what had to be known to be false claims in the launch of its new big electric scooter. Bikes with the performance level of the BMW have been out for years from ZEV Electric. Their new ZEV LRC is twice the range of the BMW at 1/2 the expected price These false claims do the companies no good and create distrust for the pondering would be buyer.
jfreed27November 28, 2013 5:10 pm
The trend will continue to climb upwards. 340+ straight months of warmer than average. Chance? Like flipping heads 340 x in a row. Deniers kill
Jack WolfNovember 28, 2013 3:44 pm
"Hard to Reverse'??? Try impossible, especially with those Arctic methane feedbacks that have now kicked in. See U of AK Siberian Shelf methane observations published this past week. Keep researching, scientists, as the world goes to hell around you. More information is not going to change any outcomes. But, maybe if scientists decide to stay home for a week in an organized fashion, or show up en mass at protests, maybe then society will notice the gravity of the situation. Cause right now, we scientists haven't done diddly.
gilbereNovember 28, 2013 2:20 pm
yes! i've been thinking this for years. All the talk about the negative effects of climate change completely overshadow the positive effects and i get tired of that.
zlopNovember 28, 2013 12:09 pm
The food will be entertaining.
Mari Rose P DNovember 28, 2013 4:07 am
I hope you got your expected meaningful outcome Mr. Yeb Sano! I hope your fasting served its purpose. I have yet to read and know the result of this UN Climate summit... Congratulations for a powerful, meaningful speech!
RichardfireoneNovember 27, 2013 1:19 am
I know how to fix this and unfortunately noone listens,,typical
bothusNovember 26, 2013 6:18 pm
The most dangerous greenhouse gases are those noxious fumes emanating from pontificating wordsmiths who state the intuitively obvious while continuing to impede progress year after year, decade after decade, as humanity continues along the path of self destruction. The proper choice of words is vitally important. But how many more decades will it take to reach the perfect agreement and craft the perfect climate document? Billions of people have been waiting in vain for their governments to take appropriate action. But the bickering and posturing continue even as the effects of climate change become ever more obvious. Time is running out. Why don't those countries most responsible for exacerbating global warming treat climate change as humanity's common enemy and deal with it in straightforward, honest, cooperative fashion before it's too late? The ship is sinking. Why? What's happening? Where is the captain? He'll know what to do, won't he? I hope. Oh yeah, somebody said they saw him in a big meeting arguing with hundreds of other important-looking people about the shape of the table and the arrangement of the chairs. They were complaining about the excessive heat, and the lack of food and water. It looked like it would take them forever to stop bickering and agree on anything. Meanwhile, what should we do? Should we fire some missiles? Launch some airplanes? Shoot off some flares? Oops, it looks like the ship is sinking faster, and there's a huge storm approaching. Are there enough lifeboats for all the extra people on board? Should we call for help? Who do we call? Maybe we should ask E.T. to phone home.
farhanaclimateNovember 25, 2013 4:39 pm
Sophia, The answer to your question is very short: the world over, nuclear electricity has proved to be unsafe and totally uneconomic and would have died out long ago had governments not kept subsidising it to a massive degree. Of course, we must also remember, on a life cycle basis, it also emits pretty sizeable GHG emissions, is too slow a solution to climate change and lacks social acceptability in increasing numbers of countries. That's why many countries are phasing it out and would do so quicker if they weren't being lobbied by the nuclear industry.
Leonard Omullo OrondoNovember 25, 2013 8:29 am
NGOs have a major role to play in influencing policy debates and must be encouraged to ventilate on behalf of the people. It is not an easy task to act on behalf of the people without appointment. We needs serious and practical climate change negotiations to address what has now been recognized as a major global challenge. All we are saying is simple: let those with the greater responsibility take more responsibility!
schmuck281November 25, 2013 6:04 am
According to Scientists we emit too much carbon dioxide which is driving up global temperatures. (Except for the past 15 years.) So what we need to do is cut our Carbon footprint down. In another comment by someone calling himself Philip referenced the Industrial Revolution as the turning point. So, if Philip is correct, and he is a GW believer and thus, incapable of being wrong, I think, we need to cut our Carbon footprints down to Pre-Industrial Revolution Levels. OK, so now we have a goal, preindustrial revolution carbon footprint. How shall we go about achieving this? Why, by living at preindustrial revolution level. I’m not sure about this, but we’ll have to start somewhere. Most of the people opposed to this are conservative, (small c) and if they’re Americans they are probably armed. So we’ll just leave them alone for the time being. We'll leave the Muslims alone too. They're really touchy and most of them already live a pre-industrial revolution levels. So the logical people to start with are the Progressives. I mean, they oppose oil and worry about Greenhouse Gases, so they shouldn't have any problem “walking the walk” so to speak. So all the Progressives will be moved to pre-industrial revolution housing and maybe given a garden plot so as to raise organic free range carrots and stuff. So we’ll let them practice their pre-industrial revolution lifestyle for a year or so and see if it results in a measurable decrease in global temperatures. After a year we can try it for another year and invite the conservatives to join in. I would force them but, as I said before, many are armed. (Damned prickly people, those conservatives. (small c) We can do this every year until everyone is living in pre - industrial revolution splendor, or the people who go to ask the (small c) conservatives have all been shot.
schmuck281November 25, 2013 5:06 am
Hubris, hubris, hubris. Are you impressed yet? I used a Greek word three times, which is oe more that you did. That means my argument wins! Oh, wait...I didn't make one. No Matter. I used the magic word, so I win.
Master Cylinder PantsNovember 25, 2013 2:40 am
Right wing Gov'ts in Australia have focused on bilateral international relations (i.e. stuff that works) and treated the UN as it should be treated - as a joke (hence T-shirts and thongs). The IPCC is to climate what the Durban Conference is to human rights. Australia has built one the best and fairest modern societies and we don't need to be lectured to by a bunch of snooty Europeans, kleptocrats and dictators.
Art SalmonsNovember 24, 2013 10:24 pm
Did you just use logic and common sense? How dare you, you planet hater!
Padraig StiltonNovember 24, 2013 10:22 pm
Good news of a sort then?
Mark GoldesNovember 24, 2013 9:53 pm
Revolutionary new technologies will make a major contribution to slowing Global Warming. If mass produced fast enough worldwide they may eventually reverse it. Engines have been invented that need no fuel. They will generate electricity and make possible hybrid cars and propeller driven aircraft that need no fuel. They will exhaust cold air. See the AESOP Institute website to learn more.
Greg DanceNovember 24, 2013 7:28 pm
Russell Brand has started a movement against participating in corrupted rigged control systems of which this is one. Walking away is the only choice left when charlatans rule the centre ground.
AlanMacDonaldNovember 24, 2013 3:44 pm
No progress is being made. The reason is that there is no focus on the real problem. Today the climate change movement was where the inequality movement was a decade ago. There is no globally recognized, simple, and compelling attention (nor easy metric) to show where the real problem is and who is causing it. With economic inequality a decade ago there was already a simple and easy to understand metric which could point the blame squarely at the global problem of inequality ---- this was the existing, but unpublicized figure of the GINI Coefficient of Income (and Wealth) Inequality ---which is a simple 0 to 1 figure showing full equality to total inequality (US is 0.5 very unequal) When, ten years later, this simple data became available and publicized to all (not just economists and the CIA), the real effect, real diagnosis, and real blame of inequality started to be recognized and acted upon --- particularly by Occupy. The GINI of Economic INEQUALITY had to be first known and then understood by the masses. I know this because I was ranting about the GINI Coefficient of Income/Wealth Inequality a decade ago, when the metric existed but was not published nor understood. As the UN and CIA figures for GINI of Economic Inequality got public traction, things like Occupy could use it to focus the problem and the blame not just on rich countries, but 'the rich' themselves -- the 1%. However, today, the simple metric of a GINI of 'Energy' Inequality does not even exist. Yes, sure, the UN COP talk knows that 'rich'/developed countries are vaguely the key to the problem of global warming because of their 'country' energy profligacy, BUT this is not the ACTUAL heart of the problem, any more than it was for Economic Inequality. To make ANY progress on the Global Warming/Energy problem there absolutely has to be the clarity of a simple and published GINI Coefficient of ENERGY INequality of countries and classes within countries. The UN needs to drive this essential first factor of solving the Global Warming/Energy existential problem. Five years ago I implored Economist, Dean Baker (of FAIR) to build a GINI for Energy Inequality --- which has not been done --- but the UN should be the body that does this NOW. Best luck on this essential, but side issue to understanding where the ruling-elite's Disguised Global Empire (DGE) is taking us and our world in this almost certain death-spiral. I have shifted my own efforts entirely to exposing, educating, and confronting the DGE itself, rather than working on any of the many problems it CAUSES --- but I understand that many people are working on the 'symptom problems' that the Empire causes, of which 'global warming'/energy/climate-destruction is perhaps the prominent 'symptom problem' caused by the DGE. Alan
Robin_GuenierNovember 24, 2013 10:58 am
The idea that developing nations are now somehow obliged one day to "make clear what levels of greenhouse gas cuts they will make" is, quite simply, wishful thinking. China, for example, has agreed, according to Xie Zhenhua, its head of delegation at Warsaw, to "continue to step up with its effort in tackling climate change, and make sure that the commitment of reducing CO2 emission per unit of GDP by 40-45% from 2005 level is fulfilled". Superficially, that may sound like a promise to cut emissions. Not so: as China's GDP in 2020 is likely to be five times greater than it was in 2005, a simple calculation shows that a 40% reduction per unit of GDP would allow China to nearly double its 2012 emissions. As Xie is reported to have said last week (see RTCC article on 20th November), China's "increased emissions was inevitable as the country goes through necessary industrialisation as it develops".
ValourNovember 23, 2013 5:05 pm
Start here Dave. http://350.org/en/about/science I don't know how you can think that the releasing of Carbon into the atmosphere in a few hundred years, that took the Earth millions of years to sequest is a crock of shit. Now you might argue that this carbon was in the atmosphere previously, but the change occurred over millions of years, and allowed time for evolution to occur. Evolution can't change at the speed we are releasing CO2. But then, you probably don't believe in evolution either.
ValourNovember 23, 2013 5:00 pm
you could start here, google must be too hard for you to use. http://350.org/en/about/science
Joan RussowNovember 23, 2013 4:50 pm
It is unconscionable the way the major greenhouse gas emitting states can ignore the pleas of low lying states, which, like the Philippines, are fighting for mere survival, and the way the major greenhouse gas emitting states continue to ignore the science, to defy the precautionary principle and to abandon the principle of common and differentiated responsibility. At COP15 an IPPC scientist said at 2 degrees rise in temperature the poor, the vulnerable and the disenfranchised would not survive, at 1;5, they might. After the failure of COP 19 no one will survive G77 states should take the major greenhouse gas-emitting states to International Court of Justice for defying the precautionary principle, for ignoring the principle of common and differentiated responsibility, and for violating Article 2 of the UNFCCC At every Climate Change conference the question is posed “where will we get the funds to address the urgency of climate change?” One answer is to end fossil fuel subsidies and invest in renewable socially equitable and environmentally sound energy. Another answer is to reallocate Global military expenses. Not only does militarism divert funds from climate justice but also militarism is a major contributor to greenhouse gas emissions. http://pejnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9466:cop-19-reallocate-at-least-50-of-global-military-budget-to-address-urgency-of-climate-change&catid=104:i-peace-news&Itemid=204
2runNovember 23, 2013 2:22 pm
Whazzup.... it looks like the money will have to increasingly flow to try to cover up after the damage is done. How clever is that? not very. Use biomimicry as a standard in design and we can fix these issues and have decent economy and decent minds.
Arul Jose John SahayamNovember 23, 2013 2:20 pm
So all this meet is only for money distribution & contribution nothing or no step have taken to avoid stop pollutioning???????? So great people have no other thought, they pay for there pollution making to mother earth???????????? So finally great people proved that they using earth as dustbin????????? Well this is what our brain works???????????????? good
Markus SchinnerlNovember 23, 2013 2:18 pm
You def. underrate those ngos.
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James GreysonNovember 23, 2013 12:52 pm
Let's not be surprised at governments trapped in the pockets of those who profit from causing climate chaos. This is the default track. So NGO's task is not to say 'be ambitious' or 'take action' but to define policies to switch track. This means solving the whole problem, climate+democracy+sustainable-capitalism+peace+... Which means using systems thinking not the old reductionist thinking that everyone uses to try solving problems caused by it. http://blindspot.org.uk/climate-summits/
Joan RussowNovember 23, 2013 12:07 pm
It is unconscionable the way the major greenhouse gas emitting states can ignore the pleas of low lying states, which, like the Philippines, are fighting for mere survival, and the way the major greenhouse gas emitting states continue to ignore the science, to defy the precautionary principle and to abandon the principle of common and differentiated responsibility.
Joan RussowNovember 23, 2013 11:55 am
G77 states should take the major greenhouse gas-emitting states to International Court of Justice for defying the precautionary principle, for ignoring the principle of common and differentiated responsibility, and for violating Article 2 of the UNFCCC At every Climate Change conference the question is posed “where will we get the funds to address the urgency of climate change?” One obvious answer is to end fossil fuel subsidies and invest in renewable socially equitable and environmentally sound energy. Another answer is to reallocate Global military expenses. Not only does militarism divert funds from climate justice but also militarism is a major contributor to greenhouse gas emissions. http://pejnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9466:cop-19-reallocate-at-least-50-of-global-military-budget-to-address-urgency-of-climate-change&catid=104:i-peace-news&Itemid=204 What is 100 billion a year in comparison to the 1.75 trillion - the large part of which is from NATO states What will be needed in the future will be funding for preventing disasters - reduction of greenhouse gases and replacing corporate production of substances and practices that exacerbate disasters Also for special training to counter disasters not funds for disasters caused by militarism At COP15 an IPPC scientist said at 2 degrees rise in temperature the poor, the vulnerable and the disenfranchised would not survive, at 1;5, they might. After the failure of COP 19 who will survive?
RealityBitesNovember 23, 2013 9:18 am
It's not about proving the "non-existence of something". What a cop-out. The hypothesis you are supporting is that (presumably) the increase in global average temperatures over the past couple of centuries is not due to anthropogenic causes. The obvious "smoking gun" is the massive increase in carbon dioxide, a known greenhouse gas, in the atmosphere since the industrial revolution began. Carbon dating proves that the bulk of this carbon comes from fossil sources due to its great age. Climate modellers can explain the temperature increases from models based on greenhouse effects, and including other atmospheric influences. Not perfectly, as it's very complex to model due to many feedbacks and system sensitivities, but in broad brush they've got it right. http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus What have YOU got?
Aussie feminist.November 23, 2013 6:01 am
None Gerry. They never do have credible evidence for their climate change denying theories, only those put forward by the 2% of Climate Scientists who don't support it who strangely enough usually have links or get paid by fossil fuel industries.
Robert HolmesNovember 23, 2013 5:16 am
What Yeb Sano says or implies; that its our CO2 emissions that caused this Typhoon is rediculous rubbish. Its even more insane to imagine that imposing taxes and incresing energy costs on people will make the weather change for the better.
ChrisNovember 23, 2013 2:58 am
Couldn't agree meore, Rob.
PaulNovember 23, 2013 2:02 am
Joyce, that is so ignorant. Sorry but it is. Try to educate yourself a little, and understand that, no matter what you think of climate change, we live in a global community and cannot succeed without building relationships with others. The UN is a hugely important part of that - Australians may not care (unfortunately) but when our Government reps show such ignorance and disrespect, it damages us. As for climate change being a scam, you are wrong, and a victim of lies which are spun by greedy people who care about bothing but their own personal interests. Like i said, educate yourself.
RogerNovember 23, 2013 12:22 am
ps, you have a bug in your comment software, thats the reason for the number of pastes that suddenly posted themselves befoore I could put my part of the comment in.
RogerNovember 23, 2013 12:17 am
if the world is successfully going to tackle climate change “one of the things we need is to change is the whole economic paradigm, including the way we construct our budgets.” She added that Europe is the first region to construct its budget in this way. - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2013/11/19/eu-directs-20-of-budget-to-climate-change-on-eve-of-un-finance-meeting/#sthash.AFBVvTYg.dpuf
BearsmumNovember 22, 2013 10:55 pm
Keep trying folks - but there are too many people who just do not consider wealth redistribution to be the answer to any supposed climate change. And sadly for you, those people are the ones currently generating that wealth. Do you not understand this?
thribNovember 22, 2013 10:54 pm
"Stay tuned. The night is young." Perhaps, but where are you? Nearly 2 hours since the last update. It's almost as if you've all gone home. We were getting updates every few minutes up until 1800. These are the most important hours of the entire conference. It's difficult to accept that this conference is monumentally important, when the people who are payed to proselytise about it clock off at six, just as the real negotiations are starting.
Dene CharlesworthNovember 22, 2013 6:08 pm
It's a bit hard to prove the non-existence of something. When you are claiming something exists, like AGW, you need to supply the proof. What have you got Gerry & no links. In your own words please.
HarriNovember 22, 2013 5:31 pm
So EU will never get out of this depression. This is such a scam, actually this is crime against us.
Glenn TurtonNovember 22, 2013 8:53 am
I see the flat-earthers are out in abundance here. So many so proud of so little.
Glenn TurtonNovember 22, 2013 8:51 am
yes Philip but that is exactly the way Conservative parties are playing the game. Using rhetoric which could describe themselves but delivering it against their opposites. And unfortunately effectively with those who aren't prepared to read beyond 3 word slogans
LIZNovember 22, 2013 7:35 am
There have already been five extinction events or biotic crisis on planet earth due to severe environmental or climate changes. If Countries and global militaries do not work together to save the environment, we could all face extinction due to top soil lost, food and fresh water termination, and a brand new era of both huge and tiny sea creatures, some of them are already coming out of the water. Is anyone reading the reports from highly respected world science agencies? It does not matter if people are "mothers, CEO managers, mobsters, or military elite...we will all die when there is nothing TO EAT!
DIAFNovember 22, 2013 7:28 am
Good to see the climate change deniers are out in full force. When your descendants are burning, blind and dying I hope they remember your wisdom when you had a chance to help shape the future. Fools.
SpetznazGeneralNovember 22, 2013 6:03 am
Wow, some people are "Proud", to be Australian because we have blocked good climate change policy. These guys are UnAustralian and should be kicked out of the country along with any other Tony Abbott dick sucking prick that currently resides in this country.
GerryNovember 22, 2013 5:50 am
"Man Made CO2 based climate change is a crock". You base that statement on what evidence?
GerryNovember 22, 2013 5:46 am
Please explain which aspects of climate change have been deliberately falsified. Also who is profiteering from climate change and by how much. Feel free to use scientific terms in your response.
GerryNovember 22, 2013 5:43 am
What specifically about Australia are you proud of right now?
Peter LauxNovember 22, 2013 4:40 am
Well done Aussies, to be on the 'shit list' of the parasite class is high praise indeed. If you had of agreed they wouldn't have cared if you turned up naked, but dare disagree & they turn into fashion police ! It is fantastic that they are so enraged by ..... casual attire.
philipNovember 22, 2013 4:04 am
Concern over massive changes to the climate occurring right now, the legacy of the industrial revolution, is hubris? I would have thought hubris is distinctly the quality of those who deny the overwhelming certainty of science.
Toby LunnNovember 22, 2013 4:04 am
we are a nation of ignorant redneck hicks, so they represented us very well
MicheleNovember 22, 2013 3:35 am
I've never been so ashamed to be an Australian as I have over the past few months. Not only is our country becoming a laughing stock and hated around the world due to our incompetent and insensitive government, but also because of the number of racist and hateful, uneducated people living in it. One only has to see the comments made here, on other blogs, Twitter, etc. to see what a hateful, selfish population we have growing here.
judo magyarNovember 22, 2013 3:15 am
what a horrible waste of money! These people should get off tghe gravy train and do something useful. Idiots!
StevoNovember 22, 2013 2:36 am
disgusting way to represent this country on the international stage. The sooner everyone realizes climate change is REAL and is the biggest single threat to our being the better. The cronies and uneducated that don't believe in it have fun explaining to your grand kids that live in boats that you had a chance to do something and didn't!!
J SNovember 21, 2013 11:49 pm
I am not convinced they should have been there in the first pace. Self-appointed saviours with clear vested interests in stirring up fear and loathing do not seem to me to have a place in any serious conference.
SamNovember 21, 2013 6:32 pm
Hard to believe anyone would show up in shorts and tees given the temp in Warsaw this week is around 6C. Given that information I tend to believe the reporter is not being 100% honest here. I also think this whole climate compensation thing is nonsense.
Freeman HenryNovember 21, 2013 3:08 pm
Does one sense the heavy hand of censorship in what shows up these proceedings ? Is it any wonder the developing world, and the developed world are losing confidence in the whole process ? Where is the discipline ? The Baroness Ashton needs to be put in charge.
RobNovember 21, 2013 2:39 pm
Pardon, rest of the world. Australia is experiencing technical difficulties. Best to kick us out for a while until we can sort out our bozos and get back to you with some people who are able to comprehend science and have a soul. Our top nob can't even read an electricity bill so it may take either a long while if his condition is contagious or a short while if he chokes on his shoes. Carry on with the good work, we'll meet you at the top of the bell curve. The Readers.
wideEyedPupilNovember 21, 2013 1:52 pm
The fox is now inside the hen house.
greg101November 21, 2013 1:07 pm
Sorry guys, no blank cheques, find another sugar daddy. Try Barak or Davie and see how serious they were about this all along.
GoBeeJayNovember 21, 2013 12:45 pm
Connie Headupherarse needs removing from office and the sooner the UK departs from the EU the better. Mental midget is too kind a description for CH.
CorBlimeeCobberNovember 21, 2013 11:10 am
So now we know ... degenerate Aussies - keen on exhaling hot air from each orifice
Clyde IsraelNovember 21, 2013 10:16 am
There is no disputing climate change, thus investment in adaptation is good sense, what matter is where the money is spent. Limiting carbon emissions is not good sense.
Hildegard HubdleNovember 21, 2013 9:57 am
Connie is becoming better versed in the language of spending other people's money. I applaud her tenacity. Never trust percentages though. They are not real quantities. EU funding is but a microcosm of the giant UN sink.
Connie the RastafarianNovember 21, 2013 9:49 am
If the bulk of other nations haven't forked up by the end of this meeting then Britain should take its generous offering off the table. (The EU's offer doesn't count as that's just more of Britain's money). There's only so far a nation can lead by example when no one is following
EponymousNovember 21, 2013 9:41 am
Isn't GCF just rearranging the deck chairs for another GFC ?
YonnieNovember 21, 2013 9:28 am
Much too pretty
StriebsNovember 21, 2013 9:07 am
Congratulations to Peter Bond for telling the truth and the interviewer for showing more maturity than the usual coal = dirty monkeys .
Devika RaniNovember 21, 2013 6:52 am
Urbanization and vehicular increase is the most relevant C and HC contributor to the Carbon footprint. Probably we could levy a carbon tax for source pollutant and ensure that vehicle user or polluter pays a new tax for controlling carbon emission
Devika RaniNovember 21, 2013 6:42 am
Japan is considered as a technologically developed country. If Japan has developed energy efficient systems in cooling/heating/refrigeration as CDMs. They should probably share the same with China and ensure that people rich countries dont face pollution due to poverty.
Devika RaniNovember 21, 2013 6:26 am
Global warming and anthropogenic sources could create climate changes rapidly in populated urban zones. Countries experiencing pollution related smogs during thermal inversions are directly affected. Longer periods of change could lead to 1-2 degrees increase globally but locally it could mean 4-5 degrees if emission factors are not checked. CO2 increase in the atmosphere could be beneficial and adverse depending on weather, season and a drastic temperature change created by land and water masses. No one wants to freeze over either locally or globally. Global policies for control over air and water quality change should be supported scientifically and accepted by the educated.
LeeNovember 21, 2013 6:05 am
The protestors are more then welcome to give their pay cheques each week to the developing nations with the non negotiable demands. In the mean time, common sense is saying no to these demands. It all has to be renegotiated and at the end of the day, no amount of money paid to developing nations will do anything to solve the global warming and emissions increases. So different solutions are needed, do exist and largely ignored in favour of the money making carbon pricing scam. We need solutions and to adapt. Solar n wind n a few power storage ideas n geothermal etc could all fix a lot of the problems, but, patents, borders, heritage n wilderness designations n ownership of land etc all hinder it all.
LeeNovember 21, 2013 5:58 am
So we have to reduce pollution and adapt as we know we simply cant reduce pollution enough. So solution to reducing global temperatures need to be found, have been found but ignored in favour of carbon pricing scam.
LeeNovember 21, 2013 5:54 am
Yes, thats really interesting, but in Aus, Our Labor n greens who brought in carbon pricing, privatised our electricity generators with a monopoly at that. Would be great to have a hand in our own local clean energy supply. Keep big business out of it, and keep the government out of it, and keep the UN out of it. We almost have solar this way but big business, government etc are all in in it making solar expensive. Should be $1 a watt, but the innitial invoice is about $8 a watt although with government rebates etc it comes down to $3 watt for your system. But lately the power goes to the power company at dirt cheap prices and then they sell it back to u at a 300% markup or more. Making it an uninvestable solution really.
LeeNovember 21, 2013 5:48 am
No Carbon pricing tho, its a scam and weve had enough of it. Same for payments to the UN. had enough. No more UN agreements. The lie should never have gone out, truth should have been told first regarding carbon pricing and UN payments. In Aus they tried to cover it up and lie about it. We will never agree to it now. Reduce pollution yes, lets tackle it as a planet. All countries have to do it. That includes the countries where manufacturing has gone. So maybe some manufacturing needs to be returned.. Perhaps the carbon limits should be imposed per square mile?? It'd probably make ur living air more healthy. Use up to date 2013 data. Maybe the carbon limits should be per person, make us all equals, no exceptions. regardless of how rich or important you are...?? 99% will never agree to carbon pricing and making payments to overseas. We are a democracy and we know where our money goes, we know how our governments money accumulates and where it comes from, us. We are charitable but demanding will not work. We can reduce our emissions and pollution without this gravy train the UN has created. We all can.
AlanNovember 21, 2013 5:40 am
You're talking about a nation that existed and prospered on a tiny patch of land in the middle of the Pacific Ocean for at least 1,000 years without the benefit of "civilization." You don't think they are eco-friendly? Have you ever been to some of the South Pacific countries? I'm sorry, but your comment sounds patronizing.
Dene CharlesworthNovember 21, 2013 5:31 am
Proud to be an Aussie!
LeeNovember 21, 2013 5:25 am
They can dream. All I am hearing is demand demand, sounds like spoilt 2 year old babies.Do they realise the people in the countries they are demanding from have had enough. Where what have they done with the cash donated? As to past commitments, yep, that was previous government, they go the boot, All void start over. They lied n promised to look good etc.
Joyce McDuffNovember 21, 2013 5:07 am
This article completely justifies the reactions of people who see the whole "climate change" scam as exactly that, a scam. Climate compensation indeed! The hubris to think you can have ANY effect on the climate, and then the bloody cheek - wanting compensation for any change! Too much! Also, most Aussies really don't give a toss what the UN thinks. All I hope is that the Aussies enjoyed their snacks.
LeeNovember 21, 2013 5:03 am
Yes lets hope common sense continues to unravel this gravy train the UN dreamed up.
Kerry FirkinNovember 21, 2013 3:11 am
I don't what to say about this it is sad to think this government doing I do think there is climate change
alvin691November 21, 2013 2:11 am
Oh, THAT'S why they left. Not because global warming is a joke and these countries' representatives realized there will be no free lunch.
WilliamNovember 21, 2013 12:31 am
So? - Australians wore "casual attire" and "gorged" on snacks - causing those with their hands out (for Australia's) money to have pathetic Hissy Fits.- Why should we give any money for "reparations" - What has Australia done that we have to give money for?
Anita RoseyNovember 20, 2013 11:33 pm
Oh please. Any talk on the cost of austerity to the vulnerable? Corporate welfare? Foreign aid being transparent? do you have to talk about the stupidity of pyjamas? How about the G77 being about proper ethics and not the rape and pillage of nation states of individual gain of potential corrupt leaders
huxleyNovember 20, 2013 11:04 pm
aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6xwiMTvFeY
DaveNovember 20, 2013 10:12 pm
I've never been so proud to be Australian! Man Made CO2 based climate change is a crock.
Ian L. McQueenNovember 20, 2013 4:21 pm
All these proposed actions are perfect examples of assumerism- assuming that it has been proved scientifically that rising CO2 means coming climate disaster and that all they then have to do is propose solutions for a problem.....that does not exist. The fact is that there is no scientifically valid reason for this belief, only highly-promoted outputs from computer "models" that reflect the beliefs of their programmers rather than "covering all bases". With no reason to believe that reducing our emissions of carbon dioxide gas there is no reason for spending the immense amounts of money being thrown around, supporting an endless string of bureaucrats all devoted to acting on this belief that has no foundation, and so on. IanM
EarthCommsNovember 20, 2013 3:29 pm
Actually, the debate we need most urgently is that of why the Green lobby so vehemently argues against nuclear energy - the only viable option mankind has to zero carbon emitting energy. The debate has begun (www.pandoraspromise.com); some prominent environmentalists are being open-minded and coming round to nuclear in a bid to effectively tackle the chronic level of CO2 choking the planet. Investment in fossil fuels must - and can - be diverted to nuclear (existing and new, safe reactor designs). Not a case of funding renewables vs funding nuclear as the Green now cite the economic argument, which, quite frankly, doesn't hold water. Sophia @earthcomms:disqus
eridon25November 20, 2013 2:04 pm
Denying the realities of climate change is highly unlikely to get Aussies anywhere. It will cast them into a near future where they will find themselves in a catch-up race to transform into a low carbon economy. But of course this will ot their job to clean this up. It will be their (grand)children. So, no worries! ;-)
Old GoatNovember 20, 2013 11:50 am
"Fighting climate change"? My God, what a shower of lunatics. We are irretrievably stuck in the Age of Stupid. And the EU are about as stupid as it gets.
John WBNovember 20, 2013 10:53 am
Yeo eh, no relation to that trougher Tim Yeo I hope.
Nicholas C. ArguimbauNovember 19, 2013 9:30 pm
An "efficient" coal plant is somewhat better than an "inefficienct" plant, assuming the result isn't just use of more coal (the lalmost ineviable outcome, given that "efficiency" standards actually place no limits at all on total emissions do the "saved" carbon ends up used elsewhere), but the only sure way to cut emissions is for the public to cut use of emissions-generating products and services. Like turning down the thermostat and going vegetarian. The governments, and even environmental groups like Greenpeace and 350.org, refuse to bite the bullet because they are afraid of directly limiting the profits of the fossil industry or appearing "anti-growth." It's tme for te greens to seek direct limits on emissions and direct limits on consumption, remembering that "We have met the enemy, and he is us." "Efficiency" standards and "sustainable energy sources " are helpful but they are insufficient without actual consumption reduction. Those who refuse to recognize this (who include virtually every government agency and every major environmental group and a deliberately uninformed public) are leading the earth down a prmrose path to climate catastrophe.. Nicholas C. Arguimbau+
Joan RussowNovember 19, 2013 5:18 pm
Re :"Huge questions remain over the levels of financial aid and levels of greenhouse gas cuts to which nations – particularly richer states – are willing to commit." How can they ignore the passionate plea of the negotiator from the Philippines. As usual the major greenhouse gas emitting states avoid the discussion of WIF "where is the finance". And as usual the delegates are silent about militarism. Militarism diverts funds from climate Justice and militarism is one of the major contributors to Greenhouse Gas Emissions. http://pejnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9466:cop-19-reallocate-at-least-50-of-global-military-budget-to-address-urgency-of-climate-change&catid=104:i-peace-news&Itemid=204
PadraigNovember 19, 2013 11:01 am
what happened that not for profit group that was running the dynamic demand website? Is there any results to be found from the fridge trials?
renewableguyNovember 19, 2013 4:17 am
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-since-1997-more-than-twice-as-fast.html Global warming since 1997 more than twice as fast as previously estimated, new study shows Posted on 13 November 2013 by dana1981, Kevin C, robert way A new paper published in The Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society fills in the gaps in the UK Met Office HadCRUT4 surface temperature data set, and finds that the global surface warming since 1997 has happened more than twice as fast as the HadCRUT4 estimate ############## The underestimate shows up in the hybrid data set.
PeterNovember 19, 2013 1:11 am
How sad is Walmart. Oh I will do it has long, As I dont have to pay for it.what a scam
Just Passing ThroughNovember 18, 2013 11:54 pm
Warren, You can make it rain on your lawn by putting the pie on my windowsill. Trust me, I'm a scientist.
robnbcNovember 18, 2013 11:49 pm
Don’t be fooled by the promise of “clean” coal. “Clean coal” is the industry’s tooth fairy. There’s no such thing. Perhaps it is time to realize that fossil fuels are a bad investment and as hedgefunds begin to unload their positions those investments will make the housing bubble look like small potatos
robnbcNovember 18, 2013 11:14 pm
Lets face it, when 97% of the worlds top climate scientist are 95% certain that burning fossil fuels is moving us toward a +2 degree tipping point in climate change, its a good bet that we have a serious problem. Lets get past dismissing the scientific data and seriously discuss what policies will best insure that our children have a hospitable climate in which to raise their children. We owe them that! We also owe that to the victims of hurricane haiyan.
Chris VaughnNovember 18, 2013 10:59 pm
Green is BS across the board.
JamesMNovember 18, 2013 9:34 pm
Start to take control yourself and finance the change see www.abundancegeneration.com www.energy4all.co.uk
Jose CruzNovember 18, 2013 9:12 pm
are you stupid? Just a strong one? Are you out of your mind? Why did you post on this thread.
4earthNovember 18, 2013 8:33 pm
I have the utmost respect and admiration for all those in attendance at the UN climate summit, but especially those who have pledged to go on a hunger strike. Much love to you all! It is long past time that we address this most important global crisis. Capitalism is killing the future of our species and all others on this planet. We need to replace this predatory system with green energy and educate all global citizens to do their part to reduce their carbon footprint in whatever ways they can, such as composting, recycling, walking and biking instead of driving cars, purchasing solar energy and wind energy, buying hybrid or electric vehicles, talking to everyone in our communities to get them to do the same, and most importantly, choose organic, sustainable, locally grown whole foods, rather than processed. Avoid meat and dairy. Cattle production, factory farms of all stripes causes a huge carbon hoof print. A vegan diet is healthy and clean and is best for the future of our planet.
cwon1November 18, 2013 7:12 pm
Greenshirt insanity again.
AltizerNovember 18, 2013 7:01 pm
"If we continue to meet energy needs as we have in the past, we will overshoot the internationally agreed goal to limit warming to less than two degree Celsius." Knowing there is no current way to meet the energy needs without coal, I guess the only option is to NOT meet the energy needs! Good Luck.
Warren Charles DexterNovember 18, 2013 6:37 pm
I am so glad that the world is finally waking up to reality. It is just great that some folks like Rtcc really get it. Thank you for all that you do.
Warren Charles DexterNovember 18, 2013 6:34 pm
These comments are moderated by propagandists
Warren Charles DexterNovember 18, 2013 4:17 pm
I say we should go for reducing the earth's temperature by 5.6 degrees because you just can't be too sure, and I have a pie cooling on the windowsill. If you don't mind, I would also like the rain to fall on my lawn, please see if the scientists can offer insight.
SwannywwNovember 18, 2013 4:16 pm
It's not just the forests but the species of life in the Amazon hold the key to cures from diseases that we haven't discovered yet.
ronaldNovember 18, 2013 4:28 am
If it takes 10 tons of coal to make a turbine, you will still have the turbine. If you burn 10 tons of coal to make electricity- the coal and electricity will be gone. The turbine will remain productive. Please think!
Andrew30November 18, 2013 4:18 am
Canada is a leader in the fight against the U.N. ‘global tax and governance’ objective at the core of enviroscocialism. Russia, Japan and now Australia have joined Canada, while the devolving countries in the European Union dive headlong into enviroscocialist bankruptcy.
maryNovember 17, 2013 9:52 pm
very incisive film making. the arguments are all there, no embellishments. simple truth. excellent clear jounalism
Andrea OlsonNovember 17, 2013 8:15 pm
You are speaking to yourself.
Reshu BashyalNovember 17, 2013 8:02 pm
I really appreciate the things mentioned in speech...we can't deny the dreadful situations we'll face on near future. It's high time we should collaborate...(in my view)
Jim OatesNovember 17, 2013 6:37 pm
Those who doubt human induced climate change are living inside a fantasy...they have not traveled very extensively because the effects of climate change are obvious in every region of the planet, and in all parts of the biosphere. Only an imbecile would deny that humans have been conducting extensive, uncontrolled chemistry experiments for >200 years, putting vast amounts of human-made molecules into the atmosphere, oceans, and on land. If you do not deny that, then somehow you must believe that no consequences are resulting through unintended chemical reactions, or through bio-accumulation of these molecules. (Our food contains a smorgasbord of manmade molecules...so you can find a measure of the extent of these experiments in your own body fat and hair.) The human-induced chemistry that explains these unusual "natural disasters", is well understood. The root causes are known...human activities are causing these events to occur. Some of the disastrous implications of a warming planet, because of greenhouse effect, are easy to predict (and to see and confirm with the earth sensing satellites that record thousands of measurements a day, only adding to the body of scientific evidence for human induced climate change.) You ask "What does a hurricane have to do with global warming, man made or natural?" Even if you are not traveling anywhere else other than your living room couch, convincing evidence providing your answer, is at your fingertips (given that you are reading this). So either you are so deluded by fear or some personal prejudice, or are incapable of normal cognitive function, or your denial is actually due to a personal financial vested interest in fossil fuels development, mining, or other commercial activity that is causing or contributing to the downward spiral we are now rapidly accelerating into.
Reporting an eroorNovember 17, 2013 4:36 pm
Excellent article. There is an error in this statement: "This 2GW milestone provides enough energy for around 278,000 homes, or more than the amount of people living in Uttar Pradesh, or the number of residents in Newark, New Jersey". Uttar Pradesh is the largest state of India and its population is 220 million- more than most countries in the world. It can't make do with the amount of power used in Newark!!
Piet SteijnNovember 17, 2013 11:46 am
Congratulated with this wonderful project and your dersived price.
polistra24November 17, 2013 11:21 am
Game's over, idiots. Time to find a new way to enrich dictators at the expense of poor people in rich countries. Or even better, look at what a few African countries like Uganda and Rwanda are doing. They've given up the old "Mouse that Roared" model, and have finally started to develop their OWN economies using their OWN advantages and resources.
zlopNovember 17, 2013 6:37 am
  
zlopNovember 17, 2013 6:30 am
Censured Blog
WernerlllNovember 16, 2013 11:49 pm
Capitalism will prevail in the direction congress legislation takes us if at all until it is too late! Time is up......
1ArneEson2November 16, 2013 11:24 pm
Refreshing to hear Augustine Banter Njamnshi acknowledging that it is all about the money. He wants our money and we don't want to give it.
ColinNovember 16, 2013 4:59 pm
It seems to me that this is about increasing aid budgets - now in principle I have nothing against that, but it should be stated up front as the objective. Linking aid to CO2 is a bit risky as there is decreasing evidence of a direct link to climate change and if the evidence goes the wrong way the result will be no aid. I also feel a bit miffed as my grand parents and great grand parents worked in appalling conditions during the industrial revolution in the UK, developing the technologies that make modern life possible and that have enabled developing countries to take advantage of new communications, transportation and energy technologies without all that grubbing about in "Dark Satanic Mills". Good luck to them I say, but they can't imagine that in doing so they are not benefiting from the results of the release of any amount of noxious emissions into the atmosphere over the last 150 years or so.
SimonaNovember 16, 2013 4:19 pm
@Young_FoEE
MervynNovember 16, 2013 12:52 pm
These global warming alarmists have surely gone mad. If the IPCC had never been established, all this alarmism would never have arisen. Climate and weather would simply be accepted for what they are, and trillions of dollars would not have been wasted on a belief that a rare trace gas CO2 - a non-meteorological parameter - drives temperature and climate. It is time to stop this politically driven madness by dismantling the IPCC.
@ClimateWarsawNovember 16, 2013 10:43 am
I don't wanna defend the gov't too much, but this report isn't really a strategy. Perhaps a real strategy will be prepare on the basis of this report. Looks like more of a computational model of the cost of several scenarios for long term energy mix and if there's any conclusion to it, it's that the cheapest way of cutting emissions from the energy sector in Poland is to develop a nuclear power plant. The report says that if CO2 permits are cheap, then indeed the mix will rely on coal, but in the high CO2 permits cost variant, nuclear power becomes an important source while long term share of coal in the mix drops pretty much to zero.
@ClimateWarsawNovember 16, 2013 10:23 am
Coupled? Or decoupled? "Pawel Mikusek, spokesperson for the environment minister, responded that, since the 1990s, Poland has coupled CO2 reductions with GDP growth as part of its commitments under the EU and the Kyoto Protocol."
Segueto SolarNovember 16, 2013 7:55 am
This has incredible implications... putting sound and sun together... segue to solar
peterNovember 16, 2013 7:54 am
Modern society and civilization itself have developed and rely on fossil fuels, allowing more people to live better and longer. Fossil fuels are the mainstay of robust and fulfilling human life on earth and will be for centuries to come. The answer to concern over emissions from fossil fuel use has been and will be technology developed in the normal course of the industrial evolution of the human community.
SienNovember 16, 2013 7:11 am
Well one thing for sure... Changes and action about GLOBAL WARMING asap !!!!
BrianNovember 16, 2013 12:25 am
I bet the developing nations are unhappy. They thought that they were going to get lots of free money. I am glad to say that Australia is not going to be redistributing our wealth on the basis of a lie. We now have a Prime Minister who tells it as it is: “socialism masquerading as environmentalism.”
Salam JalabatiNovember 15, 2013 9:57 pm
The UK's Climate Change Ministry is a joke. Why doesn't the Prime Minister sack this useless fool and give the Department of Energy to a serious politician with some economic & business sense, before the Country runs out if fuel altogether ?
Freeman HenryNovember 15, 2013 9:50 pm
Thankfully Britain's Prime Minister had better things to be occupying his day , exposing the torture, killing & mass murder of Sri Lanka's brutal regime by visiting survivors in the Tamil heartland of Jafna in the North of the Island. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/15/cameron-rounds-labour-commonwealth-opening?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2
Bay0WulfNovember 15, 2013 2:54 pm
To reference the concept that climate has to be looked at over decades and even centuries for which there is an astounding lack of data, and then try to reference this non-existent data as a support for the theory of Global Warming / Climate Change is trying to have it both ways. While it is undeniable that mankind is having an impact on the ecology of the earth, the problem is that there is little evidence of exactly what kind of impact. Most of the noise currently in the Warming Globe debate is being driven by those who seek to gain a financial advantage by indicating that there is a crisis at hand when there is no provable crisis at hand to repair. Many of the studies being made to support these theories are being made by those whose self interest is to make work for themselves. Look at the EPA in the US, if there were no immediate crisis of Environment, there would be no need for it to be so large and to have gathered so much power to itself. It becomes its own self fulfilling prophecy. There are many commercial businesses that are making rather large fortunes on the theory of Global Warming and it is in their best interest to keep the thought process going. Then there are the "scientists" and "researchers" whose job it is to "study" the impact of ... it would little serve them to find that there is no crisis at hand because they would then find their careers having come to a dead end (find themselves out of a job). While saying that "deniers" have an agenda on one hand it is hard to believe or agree that the proponents do not have exactly the same agenda but in the opposite direction.
mikehaselerNovember 15, 2013 1:07 am
Under the Kyoto protocol any change to the agreement had to be tabled well before the conference last year. It was not. The only significant signatory that is going to sign up is the EU (with EEC), with Australia likely to bail out, the EU are left standing at the altar. The costs are now really beginning to hit fuel bills, the EU economy is being hard hit and realistically even if it were the right thing to do (it isn't) the EU can't afford it. But don't let that concern the EU bureaucrats!
maxNovember 14, 2013 7:19 pm
it can yes! http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nl3012853
Dale Jose C. GozarNovember 14, 2013 3:36 pm
I'm a Building Architect in Japanese Oil & Gas Engineering company –doing projects with high level of strength, quality, safety standards and precautionary measures (Safe Haven & Cyclone/Blast resistant Building). In 2009 my family also was victim of Typhoon Ondoy wherein I almost died in trying to rescuing them, Because of my current work specialization & years of living in Japan – I sincerely want to help or share my knowledge on how to cope with the Hazard brought about by Climate Change. In 2010, I joined a Global Design Competition about a housing project that is well adapted for Climate Change (by Mr. Ilac Diaz) entitled “Design Against the Elements (Water or flooding, Wind or typhoons, Earth or quakes, & Fire)”. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DAtE-Design-Against-the-Elements/132544990112155 Professional entry fee of P1300 approx. Modesty aside my entry (no.135) was favorite during Quezon City Hall Exhibit and it was displayed first in front row facing directly the exhibit entrance. Honestly, I also studied other entries in the competition so I was pretty confident in winning and I was very excited to help our people & government by sharing my views, experience and ideas about Climate Change adaptation. A week prior to announcement of winners I was interviewed (recorded on video) by National Geography & Mr. Ilac Diaz. One of the questions was ” If you win, what will you do with the Prize money”. I did not directly answered the question and only said “I only want to share my knowledge & ideas about Climate Change adaptation”. On the day of announcement of winners, I was again interviewed (recorded on video) by TJ Manotoc @ my office. One of his questions was “Why did I join this competition?” and so I said again “I only want to share my knowledge & ideas about Climate Change adaptation”. To my surprise, my entry was not included in the winners and all 5 Final entries was done by foreigners. In my frustrations I immediately called Mr. Ilac Diaz to express my disappointment & questioned the results. I told him that cost factor only constitute 15% of judging criteria when I easily get 85% in others factors. Also, competition is not about Low Cost Housing. I eventually understood that this Design Competition – although global did not generate funds because very few joined (approx. 150 entries) with very few sponsor/support from private sector & new government(Pres. Aquino). I only wish they had approached me directly about waving or giving the Prize money to charity. Hence, my efforts and motivation in joining was not entirely fulfilled because without the win I cannot prove or convince people. And people may not interpret my Vision correctly. Every year (in the last 3-4 yrs), I always feel sad about news of disaster/calamities in our country and how our people are dying or suffering and how our government is struggling to cope with the situation. Hazards brought about by Climate Change & our Geography is imminent and will worsen @ a bigger scale & interval. How I wish can be heard and discussed my ideas with our leaders and other experts in our country. May God Bless & Spare us all.............
SvenAERTS228November 14, 2013 2:47 pm
How many people will LIKELY die in all the scenario's and with how much % less biodiversity will they have to try to survive? Why is nobody giving these numbers? They seem quite relevant to our spiecies, as we're in the test-tube here, aren't we? This is about US and nobody else: not the Marsians, not some other extraterrestials, it's about us. So how many are LIKELY going to be killed and with how much % less biodiversity will they have to try to survive? Thy
disqus_mlgH1MCtxkNovember 14, 2013 1:37 pm
If we don't put all efforts into mitigation, the only adaptation possible is death
windmillgirlNovember 14, 2013 6:20 am
It is easy to say, oh, yes let's take our energy from wind. it is not easy to do. mindanao is mountainous, hence, winds can be very gusty but intermittent. to have a viable and effective wind farm, you would need constant wind flow. it does not even have to be very strong, it just has to be constant. now, other sources of energy in mindanao include hydropower sources, i.e. ma. cristina falls and lanao lake. the problem with this is, as the earth gets hotter and as our population gets larger, the water levels are going down and we are finding it incredibly hard to sustain the power needs of mindanao through this only; hence the regular blackouts in the area. also, rebels controlling areas where some of the AGUS (hydropower plant) units are are making it difficult to build and maintain these units until they are forced to shut down. what am i saying? it is not so simple. yes, we wish it were... but there are too many factors surrounding this issue: poverty, insurgency, geography, corruption (in the government and the senior leadership in the power plants) and plain indifference towards the environment and the needs of the people - for it to be easily resolved by just saying lets build windmills. in so saying, we did research years ago on the feasibility of a windfarm in a specific area in mindanao. it is just not the type of energy source fit for the area.
AlanNovember 13, 2013 9:51 pm
Any chance that this material can separate salt from seawater?
Tom YNovember 13, 2013 8:57 pm
This is a pretty big deal. To those reading from Warsaw who are fasting: love and solidarity. Those reading who aren't fasting: love and solidarity also. It's not something I'd be able to do without turning into jelly and exploding within 6 hours. Luckily there are lots of ways to voice dissent and demonstrate commitment.
jfreed27November 13, 2013 2:40 pm
I wonder which response many humans will choose to ignore most readily: the need to adapt or the need to pivot completely to a zero carbon society. Facing both will require enormous costs, courage and energy. But, without mitigation, adaptation to runaway climate will be far, far beyond our capability, notwithstanding our denial and wishful thinking. Scientists have been warning us for decades. Yes, we begin to respond, but far too slowly, like a manatee trying to avoid a ski boat. Scientists begging humanity for common sense have as much chance as a wino begging for spare change. We really can't be bothered.
Henk Daalder Windparken WikiNovember 13, 2013 2:39 pm
Create an attractive and well priced product, for consumers. A piece of a wind farm, that they can buy and have the electricity for free. A piece of a windfarm of 1000 W costs about 1200 to 1500 EUR to built, in Europe, and delivers about 2500 kWh per year, in most places in Western Europe. So don't allow companies to build wind farms, but build them for consumers, just the same as city extensions. Local government does and pays the planning phase. Contractors build the wind farms, and sell them to consumers. Wind farm shares, the EU way
timallardNovember 13, 2013 5:41 am
The problem is that the Arctic Ocean already has too little sea-ice, thus a positive feedback is ongoing even in winter now that only releases methane in ever increasing volume steadily until the next ice-age because the water is 1C, not -2C as it needs to be so continues to thaw the seabed deposits. Then, greenhousing happens in the Troposphere so weather doesn't affect it, shading what hits the Arctic doesn't matter because the atmosphere will move heat in and cold out regardless, and, we can't cut emissions but can shade a planet, right? The only time that humans cooled the planet was the main cause of the Little Ice-age from a rapid end to agriculture after contact in the Americas such that CO2 dropped in a few decades from 285-ppm to 273-ppm, that's a long way to go from 400-ppm. So the card to play from evidence on a planetary scale is drop CO2 fast and take it as far as possible down, suggest 280-ppm or lower, it'll bounce back the point and how long that takes is the game, if it's long enough you get a cooling shock on the atmosphere and in a fivie years can re-establish, 2-3 year ice. That's a big deal as it's thicker and almost pure freshwater so transmits cold better from less entrained air, anything to help drop the ocean down to below 0C so it can mix down and refreeze the seabed mud and thicker lasts longer each season, that's the goal, that's the only known method proven to work to cool the planet. I have suggestions on how to cut to near zero emissions with existing infrastructure of certain carbon sources but leave those aside, it has to sink in how critical this game is of all the things, runaway greenhousing has been caused in jumps from these methane sources of 5-6C over decades in the geologic past and people talk 2C when the carbon from permafrost on land & sea is about 3-times larger than all the coal-oil-gas known so it can outgas for centuries and will if we aren't able to stop it. There are many contributors to finding this context, a brief video with pertinent comments from in-the-field scientists is titled "The permafrost carbon feedback loop", 4-minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR-4-kJUxzM
Arul Jose John SahayamNovember 13, 2013 5:21 am
You people keep on negotiate untill everything becomes over??????? Each every day people, living beings loosing there life are in hungry, doing criminal activity due to poverty that another sadness Untill you people are seperated by countries like borders & etc { behaving like school children hey you not supposed to cross borders we are like this you are that} you will never ever life your life only fighting pain remain with you All ways speeking about million,billion, trillion dollars, As money is some thing precious in reality everybody know money is paper paper or cotton with paper????? Its very simple to solve this, stop your investment of 40% - 70+ % in weapons defens budget? But we won't do that we born for doing war, making dead bodies & making sensational news everyday by day Its very simple to solve there is huge & vast area in your planet do right green earth cultivation by proper ideas to make enough food shelter & living simple, healthy life lovable one But we don't do that we want to show your power to other always to humbug status & always domitate other because we need slaves for us? because of this lazzynes last part of your life will be medical treatment ?????? Now also every countries representative your concentrating on showing their national interest only not thinking about human life & other living beings life GET UNITED AS LIVING BEINGS & LOVE NATURE & LIVE WITH NATURE NOT LIKE ROBOTS GET UNITED WE CAN SOLVE ALL PROBLEM WITHIN UN IMAGINABLE TIME WERE EACH EVERY BODY CAN LIVE LONG WITH PLEASANT FULL LIFE ONLY ONE THING IS THERE TO DO TO ACHIEVE THAT, WE HAVE DO REALISE WE ARE HUMAN BEING & LIVING BEINGS ACT NOW OR BEFORE NATURE DISTROY US WE WILL DISTROY YOURSELF BY WHAT WE DOING NOW
Gallant011November 13, 2013 5:02 am
I would prefer to Live without this kind of modernized conversation rather than watching more people die and more devastation occurs..
wideEyedPupilNovember 13, 2013 3:33 am
What are your "Proper limits". My country Australia has the highest per capita consumption of energy in the world so my 10% of average usage is still very high by developing nation standards. There are some things which only governments can do and us all getting our energy efficiency together will not force them to change. Only insistent and constant demands from the population will cause the paid-off leaders to follow the will of the public on this.
RaystoNovember 13, 2013 1:21 am
We need to kill capitalism before it kills the planet
JeanNovember 12, 2013 11:11 pm
"Climate change scam"... Wow man I'd really like you to be here (I mean here, on earth, not in your redneck ivory tower) in a few decades when you'll realize how blind and presumptuous humans have been. Go back watch Fox.
jtNovember 12, 2013 10:54 pm
You are ignorant. Storms feed and gather strength from warmer waters. As the sea warms up, the stronger the storms become. I admire your courage to comment while millions of people right now sleep without roof over them and barely eat once a day. I dare you to be at a centre of a CAT 5 storm next time and tremble of fear, or a dear loved one of yours being pierced by a piece of debris. How callous and inhuman can you be. The best thing you should have done is to shut up.
JeanNovember 12, 2013 10:51 pm
Yeah yeah and your next argument will be : "it's snowing more and more, it must mean that global warming is not happening!" Just because you have some scientific-ish figures doesn't mean your logic isn't flawed. Oh, and calling stupid everyone who don't agree with you will not make you look more clever.
FryktlausNovember 12, 2013 10:42 pm
Noone says that the climatic changes doesn't exists. But what causes them? Not Carbon Dioxide (CO2). Look at water/steam/clouds and solar activities. Magnetic fields on earth, Temperature trends from the past 10.000 years or even earlier.
danhuntNovember 12, 2013 8:50 pm
Funny how deniers don't do the science!!
danhuntNovember 12, 2013 8:48 pm
The Philippine Islands are still being pushed upwards out of the ocean. They are not sinking overall though I cannot suggest that some areas may be going down. The error being made could be that the oceans have risen a few inches. This is creating big problems in some low lying areas. It's best to use accurate satellite measurements rather than to try to eyeball any changes. It's hard to do with tides and you'd need to be a long time resident to actually notice the changes in averages that indicate a rising oceal along with a rising land mass or a sinking land mass such as harms Venice in a cumulative manner.
Michael FosterNovember 12, 2013 5:16 pm
I'm fasting with the Philippines delegate Yeb Sano. Join the fast for the climate during these talks.
jednmeNovember 12, 2013 3:55 pm
The utter devastation in the Philippines is beyond comprehension. How can anyone with a brain even begin to think that Global Warming and climate change is a myth. The evidence is everywhere, yet still politicians and so many in power, who could do something radical to make the people of this world sit up and take notice still live in denial. It is shattering to see what has happened in the Philippines, there are no words to describe the devastation of just everything. I cant begin to comprehend how these people will ever be able to get their lives together again... People of this planet have to take notice and stop the greed and listen to what the scientists and the earth is telling us. It is impossible to ignore! My heart goes out to the people who have had to endure terrible disasters, because of the ignorance of mankind.
PCalithNovember 12, 2013 3:38 pm
The amount of disinformation in these comments is astonishing. Global Warming's happening folks. Its our fault. No matter what your Heartland Institute funded studies may show.
JL ManteNovember 12, 2013 3:24 pm
Yeah its hard if its your own family that are dead and your whole city devastated. Where do you live? Maybe you are high and dry. A lot of my countrymen are not. Though we cannot directly attribute stronger typhoons to climate change it is folks like you who are too ignorant or too dense to be a decent human being in times like these. Be sensitive. Lack of intelligence? What an insulting thing to say specially about a man who spoke about a personal tragedy. You sir have no heart.
peoplepowerNovember 12, 2013 3:05 pm
Interesting comments here. I like the timing of the typhoons, it's like someone presses an activate button during COP, same thing happened last year during COP 18. I am really curious to know the life styles of everyone here complaining about climate change, if you are really concerned live a sustainable life style in the truest sense. Get off the grid and use sustainable energy sources stop the blame game, power lies with the people not politicians. It's all in your hands.
Johnny BautistaNovember 12, 2013 2:45 pm
From a Fil-Am:> " I totally agree with the message of this article. But then, why is the Philippines building new coal-fired power plants in Mindanao when Ilocos Norte has been getting at least 40% of its electricity from wind since 2005? Why shouldn't Mindanao use wind turbines like Ilocos Norte to generate electricity? Wind has zero carbon footprint and therefore, unlike coal, does not contribute to global warming. In addition, there is so much free wind and sunshine in the Philippines for generating electricity, why is there a need for the country to buy coal to generate more electricity?"
Revell13November 12, 2013 2:10 pm
One of the easiest ways to describe climate change and climate change deniers. "If you have a sore tooth, and your dentist tells you it has to be removed, you don't then go off to a hundred different dentists until you find one that says it might be ok to leave it, you simply get it removed (or a second opinion, then removal)" Climate deniers are going from one scientist to the next in search of one that will tell them that maybe its not our fault, this is only going to leave us with an infected planet, much like leaving a rotten tooth to decay further.
Alfredo Arturo CorredorNovember 12, 2013 12:55 pm
The world has a viable and sustainable future, we are in time, the solution begins by setting aside fossil fuels, states must protect natural ecosystems to maintain ecosystem services, citizens must change our habits, we prefer products they are durable and ensure recycling. Reduce, Reuse and Recycle. Buy organic food, reduce waste of water, energy and food. Companies with production or low carbon clean. Today begins our sustainable living. Mobis (Integral Sustainable Welfare Model).
Aubrey MeyerNovember 12, 2013 9:39 am
This is another heart-breaking story and well reported too. But the key guidance mechanism adopted at COP must be *collective-prevention* i.e. working within limits if avoiding runaway rates of climate change through UNFCCC-compliance is still the name of the game: - http://www.gci.org.uk/cbat-domains/Domains.swf … To be meaningful all other mechanisms are and must be a function of that.
Michael FosterNovember 12, 2013 9:38 am
I'm fasting with Sano for the climate in solidarity with the people of the Philippines who have lost everything. Starting now. Will you join us? "until a meaningful outcome is in sight."
SonjaNovember 12, 2013 8:48 am
Actually yes. It is the time for insults directed to the deniers. I claim no higher sense of decency than the next person. I don't need to be the "bigger" person. I call you deniers scum. You are worse than the person who aids and abetts a murderer, the person who covers up for a paedophile. You are trying to facilitate the death of my daughter and her future children. Your right to stupidity is trumped by my right to life I wish you deniers the worst. May you all be burned alive.
prd0000November 12, 2013 8:44 am
Storm means only one thing. A drastic difference between two areas, thus triggering air to move fast between them. A storm simply means that there is an area that has those drastic difference to offset those difference. Remember your elementary subjects.. In earlier days, where climate are uniform, air move not that fast, thus we won't see a storm. More storms coming, means there are more climate change is happening. In this term, it means that some area are denser and hotter than the other, and nowadays, as everyone may have noticed, the air is getting hotter and hotter. Those storm is only a side effect when some areas is getting hotter. The more storm coming, means more areas with rising temperature. Now, you still denies that storm doesn't have to do with global warming? And you can tell that no global waming to people of Maldives. They are bound to be wept by sea in a few years
Rene L. LopezNovember 12, 2013 8:39 am
Hopefully this time someone or somebody is listening!
Steve VeltkampNovember 12, 2013 8:32 am
I am tired of people saying scientific consensus means the debate is over. Remember the great scientific consensus of the last century was in favor of eugenics. Science is not about, and should never be about, consensus.
kezeNovember 12, 2013 8:09 am
Yes, I have to agree that CO2 is not the sole cause by the masses. How about our interrupted weather patterns caused by weather modification hardware like HAARP. Why don't the kind people who told the others to get a book on climate change, look this stuff up online and realise that weather modification and it's subjective uses for political advantage is real? Terrible is the aftermath, both physical and psychological, of what looks like to be an act of mother nature, only to find it was actually man-made by a few elitists backed up by mad scientists with a strategy to depopulate our planet...Check this out. http://youtu.be/LzxTXk1JCFw :-(
bonNovember 12, 2013 7:40 am
with all due respect of the comments here, you cannot just say its a science problem and pin pointing somebody to be blame.. we all do have needs and consumption that we need. we are just humans. what we need is little act of responsibility and awareness of ourselves that this world is now facing its own catastrophic tragedy, little by little. I live in the area in the Philippines where it has been hit with recent magnitude 7.2 earth quake and the category 5 super typhoon haiyan/yolanda in the central part of the Philippines in Visayas we cannot predict nature when its time to pay off. but we can help lessen the carbon consumption and other waste that can help warmer temperature in the sea. My country is a little piece of the world but we are the ones who faced and knew the great devastation that would come in the near future, if we cannot change a little things now. the out come would the worst. A little changes, step by step because we cannot change everything today but if we act on our little ways maybe we can change tomorrows future.
Dave ParkNovember 12, 2013 6:55 am
The cause is only being disputed by those who choose to ignore the evidence... for those who are open to rational review of the scientifically gathered data, there is no more debate. Humans are contributing to climate change. Nobody is arguing for 'large glaciers and the resulting starvation'. People are arguing that we should mitigate our impact on the environment before the changes to it are irreversible and bring more destruction to lives and property.
Susan UyNovember 12, 2013 6:45 am
WOW! a very meaningful strong well said appeal on climate change also heartbreaking as i relate to his agony as my helper Maricars family was devastated in eastern Samar.. Was crying reading his appeal...Its a strong call for action & repentance as i know that God could send this massive storm again. God bless my country Philippiness & may His mercy & grace be upon us all..
Sugarsail1November 12, 2013 6:38 am
The rate of geological uplift and subsidence of atolls in the South Pacific far outpaces the average measured sea level change by nearly an order of magnitude in many places (10 times). Blaming a sinking country in a geologically active region on sea level change exposes your ignorance of geophysics.
Guest123November 12, 2013 6:09 am
I do not have enough statistical information to support you but, being a statistician, I have noticed loads of those false climate analyses happening. However, there is a need to face the reality that we have abused nature and resources harshly by industrialization and one more round of it by a group of nation would be disastrous for Earth. The least we can do, even for everyone in this thread, is to try to consume at proper limits and apply sustainability in our way of living. Simple actions taken by the mass mean much more than the decision taken by those leaders. We need to focus towards prosperity rather than just material progress.
MishNovember 12, 2013 5:28 am
Devastating because it is so true. Brought tears to my eyes. Let's hope he isn't fasting in vain...
Dan JensenNovember 12, 2013 5:18 am
It is amazing how some people can have no empathy for those effected by our way of life on the planet. We kill off animals, trees and plants, and people, while we sit with "rose coloured glasses" in our ivory tower. Ignorance is such a curse, they don't even realise that their subconscious thoughts are from ignorant influences from their past. The new generation, with fresh and real-time influences can see the truth. Help them save our planet.
AnnNovember 12, 2013 5:16 am
I strongly suggest you read more about storms/typhoons/hurricanes and where it commonly occurs before you make more of a fool of your self
Liz ArnaudNovember 12, 2013 4:54 am
I hope the world listens. They should shame Tony Abbot for not sending a delegate, our Environment minister, from Australia. It is absolutely disgraceful!
Natalie Martin-BookerNovember 12, 2013 4:31 am
I hope so Yeb Sano. This is a battle between the sane and the ignorant and at the moment unfortunately the ignorant are winning, still we must never give up until sanity prevails!
Angus LamondNovember 12, 2013 2:54 am
'Frequent flyers' - there you have it - screwing up our skies and weather: www.planefinder.net (and that's only part of the picture - consider all the civil, military and 'other' daily activity not shown). And look up at and consider our jetsh*t screwed up skies - whatever name you care to come up with for all that jetsh*t sh*t in our skies: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=chemtrails+satellite&rlz=1C1PRFA_en-GBGB443GB443&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Z4mBUq-pO4qihge-5ICwBA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1306&bih=662
Ofelia ClaroNovember 12, 2013 2:42 am
I'm in tears right now...
winterseekerNovember 12, 2013 2:23 am
The largest university delegation of students in Canada, now at the COP19 Climate talks to hold our country accountable and bring the voice of youth to the global stage: @UWCSD
Thelma ManuelNovember 12, 2013 2:17 am
bravo sir yeb!
hukukuNovember 12, 2013 2:00 am
Please many people need to send this message directly to the Prime Minister of Australia's office... an embarrassing reminder of his government's stance against human kinds' creation of climatic changes that are being witnessed throughout the world.
Andrew BarrNovember 12, 2013 1:45 am
Wonderful speech. Thankyou.
Dylan TuslerNovember 12, 2013 1:30 am
It's actually the 35th storm to develop in the Pacific this year. That's a bit higher than the last couple of years. However, the concern has been that ocean warming might cause fewer storms that are more intense, so really number is not as important as intensity.
Joel Montañano CortezNovember 12, 2013 12:22 am
USA ALREADY OWN THE WEATHER http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf Executive Summary In 2025, US aerospace forces can “own the weather” by capitalizing on emerging technologies and...go to link
Paolo Monte de RamosNovember 12, 2013 12:02 am
a very good example of "man made disaster"... for example illegal logging,if you cut to much trees and there's a heavy rain.what are the chances could happen? "FLASH FLOODS"... get the point!!!
Mercy BinwagNovember 12, 2013 12:00 am
I am speechless but encouraged by this speech! God bless your heart Mr Yeb..
foggyNovember 11, 2013 11:10 pm
Yes, one data point on its own can't prove a relationship, and yes you can point that out every time we add another one. Do you have a method for making empirical hypothesis about the world that doesn't rely ultimately on individual data points?
Stephen_PennellsNovember 11, 2013 11:07 pm
Thank you.
ZoeNovember 11, 2013 11:02 pm
Eloquent and timely - what an inspiring man.
iris saligumbaNovember 11, 2013 10:53 pm
Wow! That is a speech. I hope and pray they listened to him because it is No Joke already as to what is happening to the World due to Climate Change as a result of Global Pollution. Whatever is causing these catastrophes should be Stopped before it is really too late.
anonymousNovember 11, 2013 10:48 pm
You must be one of those people living in Ivory Towers. You might not feel the impact of the global warming where you are, but your children and your grandchildren will. Sumpa!
irisNovember 11, 2013 10:34 pm
wow! That is what i call a Speech that has SENSE. Hope and pray they really listened to him, 'coz Climate Change is the harsh outcome of the Global Polution Mankind have cause themselves.
ToddMNovember 11, 2013 9:11 pm
The lack of intelligence here is amazing. What does a hurricane have to do with global warming, man made or natural. Its not the 20th storm to hit this year, just a strong one. We had the 4th lowest year (ACE 28.55) in the Atlantic since we have kept records. I wish the ignorant of the world would just shut their mouths, but It is to much to ask.
ToddMNovember 11, 2013 9:03 pm
Ah the insults. Again and I will speak slowly, no one is suggesting that the climate has changed for the better, we dispute the cause. You wish for large glaciers and the resulting stravation that will follow. Sounds great! Go ahead and insult us some more.
mariaNovember 11, 2013 8:50 pm
Jon, inform yourself before making such statements. Here is some reality for you. https://realitydrop.org/#myths/19
Laurel Lee MayoNovember 11, 2013 8:41 pm
I will do my best to help with the change, I will use my vote to elect someone who will lead us to change, I will purchase foods that support healthy change, I will buy goods made with sustainable material, I will buy an electric car, I will heat my home with a heat pump and I will share the message for change every chance I get. You have my promise on this. I will do this for all the people who have died or lost homes in the crazy extreme storms we are having now. Yes, the madness ends today because we will stop trying to convince people that it is happening and we will begin to make the change happen at a grassroots level.
LivingFieldNovember 11, 2013 8:21 pm
Deserves wide distribution. But folks, notice how conversation is diverted and distracted by a person or two who are ignorant of the best human evidence we have. The science isn't at issue here, stepping up to climate change is. These deniers might very well be paid trolls, paid to hijack climate change being taken seriously. Or they might feel important thinking everyone else wrong. Denouncing them simply gives them power and will serve to deepen their commitment to folly. Just love'em and leave them be. They will not be persuaded til they are, In the meantime work with those who can see the issue.
BernadetteSchmidtNovember 11, 2013 8:18 pm
Wow! I'm out of words Mr. Yeb. You've done it by heart. Salamat, GBUs...
Paul ClarkNovember 11, 2013 7:23 pm
The paper you link to says that the water is warming in the west Pacific. Hurricane activity is at a low there but will rebound slightly. It's not global warming.
Shoshanna HowardNovember 11, 2013 6:47 pm
Feeling inspired and heartbroken.
Ed DeakNovember 11, 2013 6:44 pm
Nothing can or will be done under the present crime wave of the neoclassical economic theory, and deregulated money creation demanding conversion into resources to "create wealth", taught in our and the world's universities as a "science". The stockmarkets would never permit any changes, as it would cut into profits and so the world will keep on destroying itself. There was a letter in our local paper just last week, claiming that there's no global warming, but cooling.
John C. Turmel, B. Eng.November 11, 2013 6:43 pm
Jct: There's been no global temperature increase since 1998 when your hockey stick graph broke off. It showed we should be a full degree hotter by now than we are! Surprise. Yes, you'd better think I'd bet the typhoon has nothing to do with the oceans that have not warmed up, nor sea-level risen! Har har har har har har.
inner_UNovember 11, 2013 6:33 pm
calling Yeb Sano name does NOT DEFINE the man he is but the person YOU ARE... and I don't need any proof, scientific or otherwise--just the rubbish words that came out from your mouth... ... and oh by the way, have you heard about PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE? -- yes, the same principle everyone ought to have these days---"better safe than sorry"... and that's what exactly happened to US, to the people in Leyte and other areas... we underestimated Yolanda... obviously, nobody thought the storm's catastrophic effects because NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE we've ever had about level 5 storm??? my question to your intelligent and rational mind is: What if 10 years from now science proves climate change is real and MAN is CAUSING It? Will it make sense? What purpose will "your evidence" make if millions of people have died, properties destroyed, countries erased from face of the earth????
DeniseNovember 11, 2013 6:20 pm
You, sir, are one of the reasons why there is a ridiculous amount of trash in the Philippines. And sadly, you're included in the said trash.
41progress41November 11, 2013 6:13 pm
I'll say this again...the scientific, academic, energy, and business sectors have moved passed "the world is flat" climate change deniers...you are a joke to the adult world...along the lines of denying gravity. Argue all you want, name call, dismiss...you have no relevance outside your coven. The world moves along while you continue to have a temper tantrum about your love of dirty fuels. Pathetic.
41progress41November 11, 2013 6:08 pm
um...except that part where 2000-2010 was the warmest decade since they started recording temperatures. http://www.wmo.int/pages/mediacentre/press_releases/pr_976_en.html and extreme warm temperatures out paces extreme cold temperatures 2:1 in the same time period. https://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/news/1036/record-high-temperatures-far-outpace-record-lows-across-us the good news is...the scientific, academic, energy, and business sectors have moved past "the world is flat" climate denying community. They are now considered annoying gnats by the adult world.
† Sam BongcacNovember 11, 2013 5:54 pm
I STAND WITH MY FELLOW FILIPINO! We can get through this! #proud.
MJNovember 11, 2013 5:51 pm
Muy buena lista!!! @Miriamjemio
Ralph LibosadaNovember 11, 2013 5:48 pm
Jon, you are the worst idiot and moron ever! I like your english but your mind is full of rubbish, i cant even find a single trace of scientific grain out there...zzz
AnnaCamilleNovember 11, 2013 5:38 pm
And here is some science for you: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50548/abstract Warmer oceans = stronger typhoons. And more CO2 = warmer oceans. And more fossil fuels = more CO2. I think you don't want to believe the science because you are scared of changing your lifestyle. But really, it's not a big change we are asking for - just that you know when 'enough is enough'.
AnnaCamilleNovember 11, 2013 5:36 pm
Here's some science for you: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50548/abstract
Dadj AlcalaNovember 11, 2013 5:30 pm
Wow! Im just moved.
Kees BontenbalNovember 11, 2013 5:19 pm
Prayers to who? God? You have the guts to deny climate change due to human activities. There's more proof for the cause of climate change than there is for the existence of your God. So if humans activity is not the blame, who did? God? The one your praying to right now? Your either a sadist or completely insane.
Chris AtNovember 11, 2013 5:15 pm
"This means I will voluntarily refrain from eating food during this COP until a meaningful outcome is in sight.” What a man!!!! - RESPECT
Cecilie AasbøNovember 11, 2013 5:09 pm
I wish for a meaningful outcome!
ahoy polloiNovember 11, 2013 5:09 pm
" If you go to the Pacific islands they are growing, not sinking. " I know that one data point means nothing, but your one quote above disqualifies you from commenting further on climate change. But please do go to the Maldives, Kiribati, Nauru, etc and tell them that their homelands are NOT sinking into the ocean. I have a feeling you would not get a polite reception. Not that you'd deserve one....
AnnaCamilleNovember 11, 2013 4:55 pm
Present some evidence for that?
AnnaCamilleNovember 11, 2013 4:55 pm
Jon, you disgust me. My western 'way of life' is based on love and family, not using fossil fuels and hyper-consumerism. In the past 10 years, I have changed, and am willing to change even further, my use of fossil fuels in order to help mitigate this crisis. I don't consider it a threat to my 'way of life' to ride a bike instead of driving to the store, to take holidays closer to home, to buy simply things that I really need instead of buying all the things I can. 'Living large' is not a lifestyle, it's selfish. This honorable man is not an idiot, he is a diplomat and a representative of the government. Show me where in his statement he hatefully attacked you or your lifestyle... He is standing in solidarity with the common people of the Philippines. The scientific evidence is clear. Read up. Here are some organisations you might like to read up from: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus
June YasolNovember 11, 2013 4:51 pm
Sana tumalab ang kanyang ankop na pananalita!
Alain PascuaNovember 11, 2013 4:49 pm
We support you, Yeb! - Wild Bird Photographers of the Philippines (WBPP).
mariottNovember 11, 2013 4:49 pm
the cause of climate change is .... please Check HAARP.
IshaNovember 11, 2013 4:39 pm
you are a class S ignorant
IshaNovember 11, 2013 4:32 pm
and you are an S class ignorant.(btw S means special which is above A). Haven't you gone through grade school? The mechanism about how CO2 prevents long wave radiation from escaping out to space thus getting absorbed by greenhouse gases and contributes to global warming is pretty much the scientific evidence that you're looking for. Of course, you don't expect Mr. Sano to explain this elementary concept to the delegates of an international summit... or do you?
IshaNovember 11, 2013 4:17 pm
By this comment, do you deny that CO2 causes global warming? If so, then kindly GET A BOOK BEFORE RANTING! Or, better say sorry to your science teacher. While you're at it, apologize to your spelling teacher too. People of the Philippines are proudly Filipinos (not Phillipinos).
Lui Quiambao ManansalaNovember 11, 2013 4:17 pm
saludo!
IshaNovember 11, 2013 4:03 pm
i agree with Mr. Sano! the climate is to blame. the typhoon winds destroyed buildings and properties... and that's not what made the whole world grieving. what killed the victims is the storm surge. Philippines is an archipelago made up of thousands of islands. during the typhoon, the water levels rose, and even the cities far from the sea area became flooded. Many people drowned together with the debris. global warming has melted the polar ice caps and that made the water levels rise so quickly that even you, commenter Jon, would be surprised. with an interval of only 30 minutes, an empty city road became a river of debris. even you would wish the whole pacific freezes into ice.
Maryjane AlejoNovember 11, 2013 3:56 pm
i think you are the idiot, Jon. and not mr.sano as you say he is. please read again before you open your mouth and comment with such unbelievable ignorance and utter misunderstanding and blindness such as above. have you asked yourself lately, "what have i done for my country, or at least for my neighbor or for my higher intelligent self?". maybe this simple question will help enlighten you.
SabrinaNovember 11, 2013 3:54 pm
Great list! Thanks for compiling this - will be following. However @jschmidtnrdc's link leads to @kellyrigg's account...just a friendly fyi :)
gryzyxwozNovember 11, 2013 3:52 pm
Trolls seem to be everywhere....
Maryjane AlejoNovember 11, 2013 3:46 pm
i think you are the idiot, Jon. please read again before you open your mouth and comment with such unbelievable ignorance and utter misunderstanding and blindness such as above.
Youth4NatureNovember 11, 2013 3:19 pm
thank you for speaking in behalf of our future.
Angel LawinNovember 11, 2013 3:14 pm
I think the whole world must unite in using alternative sources of fuel and energy and not use fossil fuels anymore.
Arul Jose John SahayamNovember 11, 2013 3:10 pm
for clear to you when heat is more, more water vapours create, that comes as heavy down pour rain when temp increase pressure increase now don't you feal some relavent idot stupid shut your gutter mouth if your selfish idot don't
Arul Jose John SahayamNovember 11, 2013 3:04 pm
when its comes to you for your relatives you won't say this right????????????
SageThinkerNovember 11, 2013 3:02 pm
Denial is death. There are millions of data points. You're sick to peddle your denialism in the face of the loss of life from the STRONGEST TYPHOON EVER.
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Tom YNovember 11, 2013 2:59 pm
What's your evidence for this? I see an awful lot of evidence for the other side, but nothing for your side of the argument (which just happens to be backing up the most profitable industry on earth).
Tom YNovember 11, 2013 2:58 pm
I find this extremely disrespectful.
Dimitar MirchevNovember 11, 2013 2:51 pm
:) Ohh If you people were this hostile towards Coal Plants pollution that ACTUALLY kills people... We would not have this conversation in the first place :)
Josephine ClemenNovember 11, 2013 2:48 pm
Very strong! Exponential SALUTE Commissioner Yeb SAno.
Ian MiculobNovember 11, 2013 2:47 pm
and what's your counter scientific evidence???
Sandwich Guy.November 11, 2013 2:42 pm
You sir is another idiot. He is talking about us being not conservative to mother nature. We are to blame for we have caused this large typhoon. Evidence? Global Warming.
windy2November 11, 2013 2:42 pm
“Climate change means we face a future where super typhoons will no longer be one-in-one hundred year events… and we refuse to accept a process that will allow a future where Super Typhoons would happen every year, and that’s what happening.” This is an anti-scientific statement as the global hurricane/typhoon trend reported in the peer reviewed literature shows no increase. The IPCC actually backed away from claims in its 2007 report on typhoons. There is absolutely no science basis to claim that super typhoons will occur every year in the future. This man is emotionally distraught and clearly incapable of objective or rational thought right now.
juskarennNovember 11, 2013 2:33 pm
How can you say that this has no scientific evidence? Have you read literatures before? this has been a long time debate, and people like you have been saying that climate change due to excessive Carbon emission is not the cause of this and yet here it is! can you still say that it has no scientific evidences? oh come on!
Hazel RazNovember 11, 2013 2:31 pm
Huh? Did you not learn in elementary science about greenhouse gases and cllimate change? Every little thing we do affects our environment. Who are you to cal someone an idiot when you don't even know what you're talking about.
prodigalityNovember 11, 2013 2:28 pm
LOL you seem to be on the wrong website, good sir.
AndersNovember 11, 2013 2:09 pm
Great list, I would add: @tcktcktck @kellyrigg also I'm not sure who they are sending but on the NGO side I'm missing 350 and Friends of the earth and again with journalists not sure who will be tweeting from @grist and @climateprogress but I'm sure they will be involved.
ModieNovember 11, 2013 2:06 pm
Amen. Very timely speech.
JoNovember 11, 2013 1:57 pm
Great speech Mr. Yeb! I am moved!
katejumawanNovember 11, 2013 1:53 pm
I still believe we can!
Paul ClarkNovember 11, 2013 1:46 pm
Couldn't agree more: it's time to stop this madness, the madness of blaming everything on human made CO2. Hurricanes are down overall. One data point on its own means nothing. If you go to the Pacific islands they are growing, not sinking. Nothing but tired, debunked talking points and exaggeration -- the Phillipinos are catching on to this climate change scam.
JonNovember 11, 2013 1:32 pm
prayers are with the philippines, but Yeb Sano, you're an idiot! sick, puppet, idiot. hang your head in shame. with no scientific evidence at all, you blame the common person and, more specifically, our way of life, for causing the adverse weather conditions that have destroyed much of the great Republic of the Philippines. Yeb Sano is a CLASS A idiot. #PrayforPhilippines
khatzNovember 11, 2013 1:26 pm
This typhoon is manmade...
AshokNovember 11, 2013 1:13 pm
@sierrastudent
antonino_999November 11, 2013 11:33 am
So heartbreaking. Last year in Doha, Yeb Sano was already crying in his plenary speech. Nothing came out of the talks. Now in Poland I can't imagine how he can rein in his emotions and remain the clear-headed clear-eyed negotiator for our dear country. We salute our warrior negotiators.
NoypistuffNovember 11, 2013 9:03 am
Oh my dear Philippines! :'(
Kimbowa RichardNovember 11, 2013 8:42 am
Cutting emissions is possible with the current technological advancement. We only lack political will. Can Warsaw make a difference?
Alec SevinsNovember 11, 2013 7:48 am
Yeah, keep repeating the same old bull that flies on right-wing talk shows. I bet you think Typhoon Haiyan (10,000+ dead) has absolutely nothing to do with warming oceans, which absorb 90% of the excess heat that CO2 is trapping.
tzundelNovember 11, 2013 7:12 am
Earth in Brackets: @earthinbrackets Youth climate justice organization. Updates from inside and outside negotiating rooms, policy analysis, and the occasional climate change comedy hour.
Healthy Planet UKNovember 10, 2013 7:06 pm
Also follow @HealthyPlanetUK - young people concerned about climate change from a health perspective
earthinbracketsNovember 10, 2013 2:23 pm
@earthinbrackets for tracking most negotiations, getting the scoop on actions, and of course COP comedy
GlobalGuvNovember 9, 2013 6:58 pm
What they want ? Oh come on. Let me guess. M---y.
GlobalGuvNovember 9, 2013 6:55 pm
Boycot ? Come on, that's a free lunch she's not about to miss.
MiaNovember 9, 2013 1:30 pm
@AbydKarmali1967 great for climate finance
shindigNovember 9, 2013 10:36 am
I'd add @kellyrigg as both a wise head and a key NGO - head of tcktcktck.org
Guy EdwardsNovember 9, 2013 12:40 am
Brown University's Climate and Development Lab will be in Warsaw (@Climate_Dev_Lab) with focus on LDCs, climate finance & Latin America.
Kimbowa RichardNovember 8, 2013 2:36 pm
Add: Food and water security - Many developing countries are increasingly facing water and food stress conditions that are unpredictable and harsh with time. Climate change is one of the drivers that needs to be addressed immediately
windy2November 8, 2013 1:21 pm
There is no solution that the UN has to offer. Other energy forms like wind turbines cause a great deal of pollution from the mining and processing of needed materials. Wind is NOT a renewable energy source as it relies on finite minerals buried in the Earth that must be dug up just like coal. Solar panels have promise but at the moment are useless in much of the populated areas of the globe where Sunshine is not abundant. The demand for energy is increasing and the only serious solution available at the moment is nuclear which is something the UN doesn't seem to support. Therefore the UN has no viable solution for clean energy at this moment and therefore is useless.
OtterNovember 8, 2013 12:45 pm
Lowest hurricane season in 45 years. No increasing trend in droughts, past 60 years. Links to violence have already been debunked. Research is finding that mollusks actually create stronger shells in the extremely Slightly less alkaline water of the oceans. That, and there are billions of tons of calcium carbonates on the ocean floors, which would neutralize acidity. Oh! And don't forget to visit the Maldives, where they have just built over a Billion dollars worth of new hotels and golf courses, rather than spending that money to move their people Off the supposedly-sinking island!
Phillip2November 8, 2013 12:00 pm
"Without effective technologies to cut carbon emissions to the levels required by science". What complete nonsense. Power stations don't emit carbon. Science doesn't require anything. We haven't had any global warming for 17 years, so there is no evidence for man-made global warming. How do they find people to write such drivel?
Richard MoseleyNovember 8, 2013 11:59 am
While a disgusting concept, this piece does to serve to highlight just how much damage the distortion of climatology is doing to the world's poorest peoples. The developed world does indeed owe a debt to those currently left behind, one that should be paid through long-term investment and trade rather than hand-outs open to waste and misuse. Capitalism, the chief culprit of all ills for people seeking to bring down the world's richest people, is how the term 'developed nations' came about in the first place and why today's anti-carbon beliefs will ensure the world's poorest will remain undeveloped. Beyond simple economics though, people also need the sense of self-respect that being able to create opportunities and wealth brings, which is what makes the idea of entire cultures living off scraps from our table so nauseating. I don't want to pity these people. I want to be excited about their successes, to feel challenged by them for my own country to do better, to buy my next must-have gadget with their country stamped on the back of the box, all the things which keeps our own poverty limited to local failings by politicians rather than a systemic inability to trade. When 'Feed the World' was in fashion there was another phrase from a BBC drama also going around in England called, "Gizza job" (give me a job), a right for employment and respect the absence of which is at the core of many of today's problems, something no punitive payout however large will ever sustain by itself.
geoff ChambersNovember 7, 2013 10:20 pm
There’s an interesting summary of reactions to the forthcoming conference in Poland at http://www.thegwpf.org/ with reports from India, China, Germany and elsewhere which tend to confirm Robin Guenier’s thesis that the chances of an international deal in Warsaw are zero. Robin asks: “What does that say about the future of the environmental movement?” Nothing, I’d say. As long as green activist NGOs are subsidised by millions or euros of taxpayers’ money via the European Union, the environmental movement will continue to flourish. Its future doesn’t depend on progress at Warsaw or elsewhere, but on public acceptance of their underlying propositions; about our fragile planet, about sustainability, about the danger of climate change. All of these propositions are scientifically questionable, If not incoherent. Until journalists and politicians realise this simple fact, the environmental movement has a flourishing future to look forward to.
Guy EdwardsNovember 7, 2013 10:04 pm
Brown University's Climate & Development Lab will at COP19 w/ focus on climate finance, LDCs & Latin America: @Climate_Dev_Lab
Phillip2November 7, 2013 8:24 pm
Since there hasn't been any global warming (man-made or natural) for 17 years and there is no evidence that humans have any measurable impact on the global climate, it is self-evident that the climate change scam should be stopped and the citizens of the world should be allowed to get on with their normal lives. It has been shown that, even if human emsissions of so-called greenhouse gases do cause a bit of warming (and I repeat, there is no evidence for it), the benefits to humanity of that warming will be enormous and increased carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere are a huge benefit to all plant life.
Faruk RezaNovember 7, 2013 4:11 pm
Faith and ethic will ultimately win.
ICLEINovember 7, 2013 10:44 am
For anyone interested in cities, @ICLEI will also be tweeting live from Warsaw www.twitter.com/ICLEI #citiesday
zlopNovember 7, 2013 10:15 am
  
GHGMINovember 6, 2013 8:48 pm
The Greenhouse Gas Management Institute @ghginstitute will, as usual, have staff at the COP.
SEI ClimateNovember 6, 2013 7:22 pm
@rjtklein isn't old but is a wise head! And we, of course, will be tweeting all week as well -- a category of think tanks might've been good overall...
HengamehNovember 6, 2013 5:58 pm
I don't know should I believe in Global cooling or Global warming !!!!!
Andrew ChapmanNovember 6, 2013 12:19 pm
Hmmm... Very innovative... The see through solar panels is a new concept...
ForestsClimateChangeNovember 6, 2013 12:15 pm
@ForestsCC will be analysing how forests are part of/affected by COP19 negotiations and decisions.
Lucas DemuelenaereNovember 6, 2013 9:43 am
I'll also be tweeting from Warsaw, following finance for the Belgian delegation https://twitter.com/ldemuele
AmirNovember 6, 2013 8:19 am
The government of Pakistan should draw out people's preferences for the adaptations to extreme climate events. The behavioral responses of people will make the government to implement the right policy. In so doing , the government, people and communities will achieve the greater well being . The focus on optimal choices of people , vulnerability, gender , risk management and social capital will help the government to take the most appropriate measures. Besides, the government of Pakistan should establish a national Environmental research and engineering institute for the sustainable development in every city of Pakistan. The sustainability of agriculture and valuation of ecosystem services along with rehabilitation must be made possible with the inclusion of people and communities at large.
Phil EnglandNovember 5, 2013 5:51 pm
You missed @climatejustinfo
Robin_GuenierNovember 5, 2013 3:57 pm
Further to my post above, I've now read Sébastien's 25 October analysis** of developing countries' submissions for COP 19. It confirms my earlier view that governments seem to have given up on any serious hope of a comprehensive and binding deal for substantial reductions in global greenhouse gas emissions being agreed by 2015 (if ever). Just consider the following: India (supported by Brazil) is adamant that the 1992 (Kyoto) categorisation of countries (developed/undeveloped) be maintained and that, unlike the developed economies, non-Annex 1 countries (including China and India) be provided with "incentives to enhance compliance"; Brazil also calls for "national debates"; and, although South Africa is calling for one legally binding "protocol" for all, it believes developing countries should have to make only "relative emission reductions". (It's hard to imagine that China's and Russia's submissions - not yet available - would be any more positive.) Does any of this sound as if the sort of deal hoped for here*** is remotely likely? And, if not, what does that say about the future of the environmental movement? ** http://www.rtcc.org/2013/10/22/un-climate-talks-what-do-developing-countries-want-in-warsaw/ *** http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/dec/12/durban-climate-deal-verdict
christian_roselundNovember 5, 2013 3:06 pm
Given the current uncertainty about fugitive emissions from fracking, alleged emissions "savings" from moving to natural gas are little more than speculation. If they turn out to be mere paper emissions, then we're screwed. The real way to reduce GHG emissions is renewable energy, energy efficiency and reduced power use. The Anglo-American emphasis on shale gas is re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
ski63November 5, 2013 7:20 am
Not to mention receding glacier in Alaska is giving up it's trapped forest for over a 1000 years. Rock get hot, rock gets cold..
JNovember 4, 2013 10:55 pm
The Verb @VerbWeb will also be attending and here is a list of our on the ground reporters: https://twitter.com/VerbWeb/cop19/members
bozo banerryNovember 4, 2013 7:59 pm
Typical the wacko environmentalists went ballistic at the nuclear power industry, only to find out that properly done, it is one of the cleanest sources of energy. These clowns wallow in group think, believing the stuff they're told, not an original thinker in the bunch. Some of the most ignorant cling to the notion that wind and solar will do it, but there is absolutely no chance of that happening. The advances (f you can call them that), are basically in the same technology that was used 60 years ago (solar cells and wind turbines). WE either need an entirely new concept or learn to live with what we've got, of course you can turn off your electricity.....
Robin_GuenierNovember 4, 2013 7:09 pm
Environmentalists, politicians and NGOs throughout the world are expecting governments to agree in Paris in 2015 a comprehensive, legally binding, agreement for substantial, verifiable, global reductions in greenhouse gas emissions - something they wholly failed to achieve at the "make or break" conference in Copenhagen in 2009, a year described as "the most important in human history"**. Yet this analysis of negotiating positions, with its references to "a mix between binding and aspirational commitments", "trust ... as the key to delivering stronger mitigation action", "a flexible hybrid system with nationally determined commitments based on internationally-agreed rules" etc. suggests that they've given up already. ** http://tomburke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/files/2012/03/TOMORROW0609TXTpdf.pdf
mandy jean woodsNovember 4, 2013 6:03 pm
and WWF's official climate and energy account - new - @climateWWF will be tweeting too!
Greenpeace Press DeskNovember 4, 2013 3:43 pm
Greenpeace will be attending the COP19, you can follow them here: twitter.com/GPatUNFCCC Thanks kindly!
Connal99November 4, 2013 3:10 pm
Just launched today! Young Friends of the Earth Europe [at]Young_FoEE Thoughts and actions demanding Climate Justice.
OtterNovember 3, 2013 10:39 am
Have you tried google? Or, for that matter, have you actually gone to Dr. Curry's own page, and clicked on the link direct to the PDF file for the entire paper? These things are SO easy to find, for those who care to Learn.
andyukNovember 2, 2013 12:52 pm
some fear RUNAWAY climate change, others cause it (like bmw drivers)
Russell CookNovember 2, 2013 2:51 am
So two or so decades of telling us the simplistic idea that CO2 acts like a blanket holding the heat in is now something like, 'oops, we can't find the heat up there'? ... or as ClimateGate scientist Kevin Trenberth said, "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't." http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=1255352257.txt&search=travesty
SKEIG Eco SurveyNovember 2, 2013 1:23 am
One thing we can do as a result of Warsaw COP19 is to widen the field of GHG emissions monitoring. This means applying IPCC emissions algorithms to ALL energy efficiency & innovation projects at the point of funding (including small projects & Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR)). This is entirely possible with cloud technology. It also brings in all the expertise and knowledge from around the globe in the established climate organisations to select & apply the calculations
Jonathan Teller-ElsbergNovember 1, 2013 7:28 pm
Ed, in turn thank you for your reply. However, within your reply you make a continuation of, what I believe is, the conceptual error of the article. That is, you refer to "a huge amount of energy below cities in general," without putting that amount of energy into context. David MacKay makes this conceptual issue clear in his excellent book, Sustainable Energy: Without the Hot Air. For example, in the book, on page 3, he writes: In public debates, people just say ... “We have a huge amount of wave and wind.” The trouble with this sort of language is that it’s not sufficient to know that something is huge: we need to know how the one “huge” compares with another “huge,” namely our huge energy consumption. To make this comparison, we need numbers, not adjectives. [Emphasis in the original.] http://www.withouthotair.com/c1/page_3.shtml So yes, it's true that there is a "huge" amount of energy under Karlsruhe. But the demand for energy to heat the households of Karlsruhe is more than 8 times huger. I don't take this to mean that the story doesn't deserve to be told, or to be told by RTCC. I'm quite pleased to learn of this subterranean heat island effect that I had not previously know of! Underlying my complaint is my belief that addressing energy and climate problems requires clear thinking, and that exaggerations hinder clear thinking. I have had personal encounters with people who say things along the lines of, "oh, I'm not worried about that--I've read that there's so much energy we could soon be getting from [insert random idea here], and I'm sure they'll figure it out." Suffice to say, I don't think "they" will figure it out if people are led to a position of complacency, including accidentally through best-intention exaggerations.
Climate HomeNovember 1, 2013 7:06 pm
Jonathan - thanks for the comment. The key thrust of the article is that there is a huge amount of energy below cities in general - and I think that's what the headline was suggesting. But it's a fair point - and I've taken it on board. Ed King - Editor
greengrammyNovember 1, 2013 5:27 pm
When will we the people of the United States insist that our government join the rest of the world community to the Climate Destabilization that threatens us all?
Jonathan Teller-ElsbergNovember 1, 2013 4:06 pm
I would like to complain about the exaggerated headline and tone of the article. Karlsruhe has a population of approximately 300,000. If we assume an average of 2/household (the average for Germany ), then this equals 150,000 households. The KIT estimate is that the "surplus" geothermal heat due to an underground urban heat island effect can supply 18,000 households. That is 12 percent of the total. 12 percent is nothing to sneeze at, but to my mind it does not qualify as a "vast" resource, and it is simply false to claim, as the article does, that this sort of resource "could be used to power urban areas." A statement like that implies that the urban area is entirely or at least largely being powered by the resource. At 12 percent capacity, the proper description would be to say that it "could be used to power" a modest fraction of urban areas. Please be careful to provide news, not PR.
Nick GrealyNovember 1, 2013 3:06 pm
It's nice to Connie H view becoming more realistic. No one is expecting the US experience to be completely replicated in Europe, and even I don't wish it to be so. But European Greens need to get real: Shale is here to stay, the scare stories are groundless and shale is an enabler, not an enemy of renewables. On the CO2 side, to echo the words of Commissioner Goettinger, EU CO2 targets are irrelevant in the face of Chinese emissions. But China and the US promote gas and get lower emissions. Germany hates gas and gets: coal. Nasty, dirty lignite. EU CO2 emissions are only dropping due to economic decline and export of energy intensive industry. Shale skeptics need to back out of the corner they Gaslanded themselves into. A hard trick to pull, but it starts with a simple statement: It's not so much we were wrong, but that the facts changed. Now we have to change our minds.
Nick GrealyNovember 1, 2013 1:32 pm
Imagine if Europe promoted shale gas as the US has and as China is planning to. Then EU emissions are inconsequential. Also imagine how much lower EU emissions would be if both Germany and the UK didn't use more coal instead of gas.
Aubrey MeyerNovember 1, 2013 11:36 am
We all want [so desperately want] some good-news on climate change. Certainly China will play a vital part in how we all achieve UNFCCC-compliance. To get a sense of the overall scale of this, it is worth putting the above in the context of IPCC AR5 Carbon Budgeting: - http://www.gci.org.uk/CBAT1_i-5a.html It may also be helpful to get the international dynamic for this using this tool: - http://www.gci.org.uk/cbat-domains/Domains.swf [Domain Two]
jjpNovember 1, 2013 10:44 am
Best of luck to President Hollande. If he is going to make it work tho it will mean changing the corrupt political systems in the English-speaking Five Eyes shared info spy programme nations. I hope he can manage that...the world needs someone to oversee that!
JoseOctober 31, 2013 6:16 pm
If an insurance company can siphon money from a global warming surcharge, why would they question it?
ravenscarOctober 31, 2013 2:25 pm
Here's me thinking ole Dave was in hibernation - who woke him up? "I think the Arctic is like the canary in the mine, and what’s happening to these northern inhabitants, it’s affecting them now. These are small villages of 1000 people. But it’s starting to affect us in the UK and in other areas of the world.” Pray tell us Hempo - how? How is it affecting the UK and other areas of the world? The sea ice this year is reforming at a record rate, the solar influence is in a nigh on dormant period and you're rambling, telling us that the Arctic is warming? Pull the other one. "Canary in the mine", there's no analogy made - all of it is pure supposition and scare mongering rot. Then, Chippenham to London - in a car and how green is that? "I feel very happy, very comfortable there", 'comfortable' - in the Arctic? Years ago, a mental permafrost set in and patently it never thawed."
Steve GoddardOctober 31, 2013 1:58 pm
It is well known that the early 1980s was a cold period in the Arctic, surrounded by warmth in the 1940's and the 2000's. The author is misleading his readers.
JackSavageOctober 31, 2013 1:24 pm
Wasting your time in a damn car...and dooming the Arctic too! Plus of course using fuel to get yourself to the Arctic time after time. Where is the self-awareness? Where is the example-setting? Or are you a "special" person?
FatBastage72October 30, 2013 9:27 am
"Could China’s carbon emissions peak sooner than expected?", well it depends on whether they follow the western example of destroying their industrial sector and bankrupting themselves following the political fashion of fighting gullible warming.
Steve BarneyOctober 29, 2013 4:53 pm
I am no expert, but this article seems to confuse a gigatonne of carbon (GtC) with a gigatonne of carbon dioxide (GtCO2). According to the IPCC: "1 Gigatonne of carbon corresponds to 3.67 GtCO2." Summary for Policymakers - IPCC AR5 WGI http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5-SPM_Approved27Sep2013.pdf Now compare these statements from the IPCC and Sophie: "From 1750 to 2011, CO2 emissions from fossil fuel combustion and cement production have released 365 [335 to 395] GtC to the atmosphere, while deforestation and other land use change are estimated to have released 180 [100 to 260] GtC. This results in cumulative anthropogenic emissions of 545 [460 to 630] GtC. {6.3}" Summary for Policymakers - IPCC AR5 WGI "The website, set up by researchers at Oxford University, shows just how quickly the tonnes of CO2 are stacking up. At the time of writing, the figure is hovering around the 574,338,000,000 mark – but it is a figure that is sharply increasing, and is one that is over halfway to one trillion. The figure of one trillion has garnered an extra level of significant over the last month. When the fifth IPCC report was launched in September, collecting together the last seven years of climate science, it contained a stark warning from scientists: if the world is to have a better-than-average change to staying below 2C of warming, then one trillion tonnes of CO2 is the budget." See the problem? It looks like Sophie is equating 1 GtC with 1 GtCO2, whereas the IPCC says that 1 GtC = 3.67 GtCO2. The IPCC refers to a 1 trillion gigatonne carbon (GtC) budget, whereas this article refers to a 1 trillion gigatonne carbon dioxide (GtCO2) budget. It would be easy to make such a mistake, especially considering such confusing IPCC language as this heading to Table SPM.3 (SPM page 26, IPCC WGI AR5): "Cumulative CO2 Emissions 2012–2100 (in GtC)"
WSLuperOctober 28, 2013 11:18 pm
There's no doubt that the atmosphere is warming; the question is why. Is it due to natural climate variation or greenhouse gasses? Climate warmists will tell us that it's due to the burning of fossil fuels and the resultant emission of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. So, it's important to consider a few facts about carbon dioxide: 1. It's a trace gas, accounting for merely 4 parts in 10,000 of the atmosphere. 2. It's a minor greenhouse gas, comprising only 4% of greenhouse gasses, compared to water vapor's 95%. 3. It's a weak greenhouse gas; only about 1/5 as efficient as water vapor at retaining heat. Shouldn't this make us question the premise that carbon dioxide is responsible for the warming? Most climate change deniers will remind us that the earth has been warmer than today during at least two periods in history, the Roman Warming Period, lasting from 400 BC to 100 AD and the Medieval Warming Period lasting from 950 AD to 1250 AD. In fact Greenland gained its namesake from the fact that it was green during the latter period, while it's almost all ice today. In light of the above it would seem that climate variability and not mankind is responsible for the warming.
Stuart RatcliffOctober 28, 2013 10:53 pm
It does. It has a cooling effect because most of what volcanoes release are aerosols.
Mitchell McAleerOctober 28, 2013 7:55 pm
Mass Gains of the Antarctic Ice Sheet Exceed Losses Zwally, H. Jay; Li, Jun; Robbins, John; Saba, Jack L.; Yi, Donghui; Brenner, Anita; Bromwich, David So what label to use on mr. Scmidt? ignorant perhaps works best.
mike hamblettOctober 28, 2013 3:02 pm
just to clarify, Wallmart owns the ASDA chain in UK
Kimbowa RichardOctober 28, 2013 1:46 pm
This Declaration will hopefully also boost efforts to stem the rampant illegal wildlife trade in this region
JoseOctober 28, 2013 1:34 pm
This is great news. It will be easier to drill for the vast resources of oil and rush to complete the wells before the ice returns.
John C. Turmel, B. Eng.October 28, 2013 8:26 am
Richard Branson: It’s clearer than ever: climate change is real, humans are the cause, and we have to act. Jct: It's clearer than ever that the Hockey Stick graph fooled everyone with their "trick to hide the decline" in temperature since 1998 despite rising CO2! Har har har. What did the Hockey Stick Graph say it should be now! Har har har. Can't Richard get a ruler and extrapolate? Har har har. Richard Branson remains the fool. Or worse.
Brian SandersonOctober 26, 2013 10:14 pm
480kWh each day corresponds to 20kW. In motor-head units, that's 27 horsepower. This mega-million dollar machine is the equivalent of a 25 horsepower engine and 40 litres of petrol each day...
debra haddixOctober 26, 2013 5:00 pm
Love how these reports love to leave out the fact that co2 levels has dropped but Methane levels has went up,and Methane is as bad as co2....if your gonna report this crap than atleast tell the facts ...
Donald CiesielskiOctober 26, 2013 2:18 am
Oh yes, the climate and runners have so much in common to compare to each other
MchlMcPhillipsOctober 25, 2013 9:16 pm
The heat we produce rises to the top of the atmosphere and is drawn towards the poles because heat always goes from hot air to cold air. On reaching the poles it melts the ice and the ice cold water flows south cooling the surface of the oceans and the lands it touches. If temperatures are rising slower than before we are probably in a feedback loop; the more heat we produce, the more that reaches the poles, the more ice that melts, the more the surface of the oceans and touching lands cool. Looks like the beginning of the next ice age if we don't stop.
Timothy NashOctober 25, 2013 6:17 pm
Anyone can divest. For DIY investors who are concerned about climate change, here's a model portfolio I developed: http://www.sustainableeconomis...
Peter ThurrellOctober 25, 2013 3:11 pm
AS long as oil companies are allowed to depreciate their "found" but unused reserves (a tax avoidance process called depletion) they will never stop searching for more reserves. It is just too profitable as it provides them with billions of dollars of tax losses that offset the taxes they would otherwise pay on their profits from sales of oil.
TinyCO2October 25, 2013 1:06 pm
Russell Brand and those who support his ideas make the fundamental mistake of assuming that the bad stuff is done by 'them'. Inequality, pollution, greed, they're other people's faults not their own. If Russell Brand stopped flying round the world and redistributed his money to those poorer than him then he might be a credible spokesman for protecting the planet but instead he's just another philanthropist who wants to give away somebody else's good fortune. Excess CO2 in the atmosphere is caused by emerging equality and the prosperity of the masses, not the hoarding of riches by the few. One has to practice what one preaches. This [insert insult] of a human being might appeal to the young but once they grow up it's obvious he's a naughty child, stuck on his own self importance. Why would any grown up listen to him? Certainly if I tried to copy him I'd have to increase my CO2 footprint considerably. Is that the message you want to send?
cpergOctober 24, 2013 5:21 pm
What have these scientist done to take the cycles of the Sun's heat as it cycles into account for the changes in climate and average temperatures. Also the fact that from ice cores taken in Antarctica illustrate that CO2 levels follow the rise in temperature rather than lead. Of course in any scientific method the lead is most always considered as the cause in any "cause and effect" relationship. If this is true then the rise in temperature is the cause of the rise in CO2 levels over the history shown in the ice cores that go back not centuries but thousands if not millions of years.
Whatever manOctober 24, 2013 6:07 am
HFC's are one of the ozone friendly and commercially viable alternatives to HCFC's and CFC's. I think the author of this article confused them with HCFC's (like R-22) which are being phased out by 2015 in developed nations according to the montreal protocol.
JohannIvanOctober 23, 2013 5:49 pm
Chernobyl was a picnic. If you want a real example of nuclear disaster, see: Fukushima. And it's still going. It just keeps giving and giving. What will be the "economic / health costs"? Answer: They can't be calculated. Decades of death, radiation poisoning, cancer, etc. Nuclear is only economic if you ignore the costs of the consequences.
RazzleOctober 23, 2013 4:14 pm
You are missing THE fact, we are not just talking about the past 15 years, climate varies naturally and overall the temperature is increasing, we are contributing towards it. no question about it. What? You thought we could just add whatever we like to the air we breathe, the atmosphere that regulates our whole planet, the thing we need to survive and it wouldnt make a jolt of difference. Seriously get over yourself and the rest of the human race.I bet you think we can just take whatever we like from the ecosystems around us and that it wont change anything, thats funny because I thought it was simple mathematics. You add or subtract something and the outcome is different from what you started with. Also im not into religion and im not really into socialism either. I just care about my descendants and myself being able to live in a world that is appreciated for being what it is. amazing. Why dont you face the real facts; the ones that have more than 15 years worth of evidence behind them?
Duncan KeelingOctober 23, 2013 3:02 pm
Ultimately, it boils down to the utility companies prioritising investment in their own fat pay checks rather than in infrastructure
mapleleafupOctober 22, 2013 7:16 pm
And pray tell how does Ms. Figueres absolutely make that correlation?
JackSavageOctober 22, 2013 4:43 pm
I expect I am one of the few human beings on Earth who has read this through to the end. This woman lives in a dream world. I would be upset if even a femto-penny of my taxes goes towards her salary. With a few honorable exceptions in the field of diseases...the UN is a waste of space.
BrentOzOctober 22, 2013 2:42 pm
Many thanks for this article on a much overlooked backwater of the climate debate, agreement on #HFCs is imperative if the massive climate benefits of the CFC (and ongoing HCFC) phaseout are not to be eroded, making the task of addressing CO2 so much more difficult than it needs to be. Ammonia (NH3) also has a very significant role in providing alternatives - or rather solutions - to #phaseoutnotdown the HFCs, and while there are no simple solutions natural refrigerants industry experts are united in their conviction we have the tools needed to aim for high level of ambition in swiftly phasing out HFCs. These #natrefs solutions are very rapidly becoming more widely available and are particularly commercially attractive because of their high energy efficiency relative to emerging low GWP proprietary fluorochemicals, and perform well in high ambient temperature regions. Convincing recalcitrant Parties of this proposition is one of the main stumbling blocks confronting the #MOP25 negotiations. To follow developments as they unfold during the week, please follow any of these hashtags on twitter, and please RT the ones you like?
Leslie GrahamOctober 22, 2013 1:22 pm
The usual thousand-times-falsified gish-gallop of wearisome junk from the resident denialist shill. That you actual cite a notorious climate-change denier as a reference is simply insulting. Why don't you go and play on WUWT - you'll be among friends there.
OtterOctober 22, 2013 11:51 am
Looking forward to the FAIL.
edOctober 22, 2013 6:48 am
Why no mention of mantra energy (MVTG) . Patented ERC technology for capturing CO2 and turning it into a valuable by-product
MichaelOctober 21, 2013 3:45 pm
Perhaps correlation is not causation, but correlation is good enough reason to be concerned and to go through the proper investigative processes. The fundamental observation in most scientific research is correlation. The next step is to identify the reason for that correlation. No body has actually demonstrated that the correlation is not due to fracking.
Tim OsbornOctober 21, 2013 3:44 pm
"For the first time in the IPCC’s history scientists set a limit on the amount of carbon dioxide that can be safely released" No, the report does not do this. It gives values for the amount of CO2 that could be released while keeping the resultant global warming remaining below (e.g.) 2degC with different likelihoods based on current knowledge/models. But it makes no statement on whether it would be safe to release this amount of CO2. Nor does it say that it would be unsafe to release more.
Irene MaOctober 20, 2013 7:25 am
"It is simple. All of us are not scattered, but concentrated in a zone where a natural disaster can wipe all of us out. If you think about this, Singapore is actually extremely vulnerable, especially when we do not have an escape plan to a known secondary disaster-free zone." - Irene, Non-Partisan Community, Singapore
Ever the skepticOctober 18, 2013 1:34 pm
Take a sine wave and begin measuring data from the bottom of the wave. That's the global warming approach. Warming? Sure. Apocryphal? Hardly.
Shankar SarkarOctober 18, 2013 3:51 am
Trevor Maynard has degrees in Mathematics and has worked in actuarial sciences [primarily statistical modeling] for the insurance industry, essentially a form of predictive risk management. He is not even minimally qualified in terms of education or professional knowledge/experience to open his mouth regarding any environmental issues, including climate change. His comments are convoluted gibberish and nothing substantive based on scientific reasoning. Lloyd's is a large reputable insurance company but their in house expertise/basic understanding on "environmental" matters is woefully inadequate. The media in general, is significantly compounding the problem by providing a platform for such garbage and unfounded statements because of its sensationalism and selling power. Climate Change, Green House Gases, Green Technology, Carbon Footprint, Global Sustainability and Corporate Social Responsibility etc. have become buzz words in the past 5 - 7 years. Many with little knowledge are taking advantage of the largely uninitiated masses to posture and even propagate total lies and partial truths for their personal gains. I believe, "climate change" is real and has to be dealt with via serious energy conservation measures, new renewable energy technologies and even perhaps "safer" nuclear energy. There is reason for serious concern and we need to take action now. However, the studies on climate change are indeed very subjective and predictions are not based on sound, accurate science. It is the very nature of global meteorology which incorporates a great deal of "randomness". There is real reason for skepticism as different camps are producing different studies and reports based on their vested interests. This fist fight is itself counter productive as it seriously hampers progress and implementation of real and effective initiatives.
derekcolmanOctober 17, 2013 1:00 am
Mass hysteria is a well known phenomenon.
Godfridah SitaliOctober 17, 2013 12:23 am
very resourceful information
Big Oil Conspiracy TheoryOctober 16, 2013 8:20 pm
Hmm, insurance companies making money off of the CAGW claim also. No wonder they're against any skeptic.
The_Magic_MOctober 16, 2013 12:43 pm
> “It’s a bit like someone breaks the world record for running 100 metres and then in the next ten races people say, ‘Runners are getting slower’.” I love it when people explain such things in terms the masses can understand. There's just too much misdirection among the climate change deniers (just like Creationists claim it "disproves" evolution when new facts about it are discovered).
TenacOctober 16, 2013 12:07 pm
... in other news, Turkey condemns Christmas.
Jason BarbourOctober 15, 2013 8:25 pm
Great example for other countries. E.g. Republicans and Democrats ;-)
Peter MurrayOctober 15, 2013 2:41 am
China will kill itself and a lot of the rest of the world shearly by it's population size and growth, their expectations!
Graham FordOctober 14, 2013 10:31 pm
Here are five key questions, and the answers I understand from the AR5: 1. Has the world warmed? Yes, around 0.5 deg C since pre-industrial time. 2. Is it going to go on warming? The models said yes, but the models predicted continual rise over the past 15 years. This has not happened. If they were wrong about this, why are they not wrong about their answer to Question 2? 3. How warm is it going to get? Assuming scenario RCP 4.5, around 2.5 C, according to the mid range of the models. But 4.5 does not appear to require any special action, and fossil fuel trading imbalances are likely to limit consumption anyway through financial limits, so do we need a policy at government level, at least for now? And anyway, the models now look much to pessimistic. 4. Who is going to be affected? Populations in low lying areas. Farmers who don't adapt. 5.What do we do about it? Who's we? As far as I can see, local solutions will work OK. Perhaps we consumers need to spend less on fossil fuels and more on insulation and efficiency and renewables. But these are local decisions, not supranational ones.
Richard MoseleyOctober 14, 2013 7:23 pm
It's a shame the shortcut above doesn't lead anywhere for what presumably is a subscription-only piece, something that makes the announcement of these 'findings' seem more like hokey-cokey than a Mexican Wave. This isn't helped either by the fact American football crowds have been waving since the late 1970's from where the Mexicans got the idea by 1986 in the first place.
JimmySDOctober 14, 2013 5:15 pm
Debate? What debate? Deniers don't want to debate. They just want to get some attention while they fling out a slew of lies in the hope that some of them will stick. Debates are about facts. Global warming denial is about global warming deniers.
Ron GrummerOctober 12, 2013 3:17 pm
More companies need to be proactive in addressing employees who spout off their personal ignorances regarding scientific facts in public on company-time/networks, damaging the reputation and profitability of their employers.
SebastianOctober 12, 2013 12:29 am
Great to see Bogota taking true leadership with electric vehicles - that's brilliant! Isn't Melbourne doing more than this with its efforts on urban greening and water reuse? I'd like to see links for all these cities.
windy2October 11, 2013 1:42 pm
Antoine, your very first sentence is ambiguous as the Working Group I science has downgraded or eliminated a great deal of its past catastrophic concerns. Chapter 12 of WGI has taken catastrophic ice melt in Greenland and the Antarctic off the table as well as catastrophic hurricanes tornadoes, floods, forest diebacks, etc. I also disagree that the bulk of the science is the same as in AR1. We have weather balloon and NVAP satellite data that now show no increase in precipitable water vapor over 22 years. http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2012/07/16/new-paper-weather-and-climate-analyses-using-improved-global-water-vapor-observations-by-vonder-haar-et-al-2012/ One of the local scientists near me, Dr. Michael Schlesinger, Professor of Atmospheric Sciences and Director of the Climate Research Group, has calculated CO2 sensitivity to be lower than reported by the IPCC and now several other atmospheric scientists are calculating lower sensitivity figures. The MODTRAN GCM at University of Chicago shows only .89 degreesC of warming with CO2 only increase for a doubling of CO2 from 400PPM to 800PPM. This is not catastrophic warming compared to known temperature fluctuations of 10 degreesC in as little as 50 years during the Eemian period. I am for a plan to deal with global warming but exaggerating the consequences of CO2 creates a credibility gap that makes it harder to get people engaged.
Spree EnterpriseOctober 11, 2013 2:49 am
Congratulations to these wonderful women! They all deserve the honor. - green cleaners at spree.net.au
Jane at GESOctober 9, 2013 11:54 pm
My company, General Energy Solutions (GES), is the owner of the IND Solar Farm at the Indianapolis Airport. We thank you for your interest in the Solar Farm, but we noticed some inaccuracies in your article. The 12.5 mega watt DC IND Solar Farm at the Indianapolis Airport is owned and operated by GES and was co-developed with Indianapolis businesses Telamon Corporation and Johnson Melloh Solutions, not by Solectria Renewables. GES choose Cenergy Power as our engineering and construction partner and GES did opt to use Solectria inverters for the project. The Solar Farm will produce 16.5 million kilowatt hours (kWh) annually. Lastly, GES has not been affected by the government shutdown and intends to continue to operate the IND Solar Farm at the Indianapolis Airport and other solar projects throughout the country. However, GES partners with many local utilities and municipal and state governments and we sincerely urge Congress to find a solution soon. Please feel free to email if you have further questions. Thank you!
geomacOctober 9, 2013 10:16 am
Why does Mr Salmond want to base an Independent Scotland's economy on selling fossil fuels? Surely this conflicts with this rhetoric. The word hypocrisy springs to mind?
Kaj EmbrénOctober 9, 2013 6:58 am
Making cities more resilient Even if we take immediate steps to reduce our emissions and strengthen our efforts to counter climate change, things may still decline before they can get better. In some places, evidence of such shifts are already well underway. Take the east coast of the US for instance, where people have seen extreme weather become increasingly normal. Experts expect 13 to 20 tropical storms this year, with up to 11 becoming hurricanes and as many as six reaching major storm status. While some research suggests that higher temperatures could bring about atmospheric changes that push the storms out to sea and away from land, scientists have warned local governments against lowering their guard. The bill for storm defences will, of course, be picked up by the taxpayer. Could this type of real-life impact on people’s lives act as a driving force for change? Will citizens realize that fighting climate change can help control the environmental, physical and financial damage at they may personally experience in the next few decades? More at http://bit.ly/16CRjm3
ClimateLearnerOctober 8, 2013 2:01 pm
This fatuous EU initiative has served to waste the time of a lot of people. What better use might they have made of it? It is only a small consolation that the eco-buffoons of the EU have been humiliated.
JackSavageOctober 8, 2013 12:33 pm
"When the EU established a regional trading scheme for the aviation industry in 2012, it was a brave political decision. " "Brave"...Sir Humphrey-speak for "stupid". "The best testimony to the ambition of the scheme is probably the backlash that it faced. " For "ambition" read stupidity... etc and so forth. Best let this one go.
nickOctober 7, 2013 11:16 pm
On the "Priorities" figure above, conservation and efficiency are declared most sustainable. However, these two activities simply mean one uses less of a finite resource- how can that be considered sustainable? Energy efficiency is certainly a necessary part of tomorrow's clean energy paradigm, but energy efficiency in the context of a fossil-fuel dominated energy supply simply means we deplete our resources at a different rate, and is inherently UNsustainable.
zlopOctober 7, 2013 9:04 am
"By the century’s end, the global mean temperature is “extremely likely” ? Likely to be in a 90,000 year Ice age. Due to end of interglacial effects, 4,500 year cycle is greatly suppressed.
ClimateLearnerOctober 6, 2013 5:31 pm
What have they achieved? Hundreds of thousands of needlessly early deaths due to starvation thanks to bio-fuels. Retarded development in poor countries thanks to discouraged use of fossil fuels. Wasted resources and increased energy costs in richer countries thanks to renewables legislation and associated subsidies. Uncounted numbers of children and other vulnerable groups acquiring frightening and negative views of their future, and contemptuous views of their past and present, thanks to relentless campaigning by zealots for whom the means justifies the end. And what end? Increased state control of just about anything that breathes and moves, all in the name of 'sustainability', just as we leave behind a century in which the gross and abject failures of such central impositions haven been demonstrated tragically time and again. And I have yet to mention the cultural and intellectual harm of the wild promotion of a weak hypothesis (viz. that rising CO2 will dominate the climate system) which happened to suit particular political and financial factions in the UN and elsewhere as a vehicle which they shamelessly exploited for their own advantage. These 'achievements' are all despicable, every one, and quite unnecessary.
silqwormOctober 6, 2013 4:12 am
China will install 8-10 GW of solar PV this year, not 2 GW as this article misstates. As far as Bloomberg's projections, I don't see why anyone would believe them. It seems like every day another new wind deal is signed somewhere in the world. The billionaires club is just propagandizing the success of wind and solar down to limit it from hurting vested interests.
Daryl McGonigle LoganOctober 5, 2013 12:45 pm
I'm not going to get into the politics of global warming but I can say for sure that I'm seeing it happen right at home in Fort Lauderdale Florida and in Miami. There's a section of the beach where the ocean took back the strip and they had to reconfigure the road that use to run through that section. Miami gets completely flooded with just an inch of rain. It's getting bad down here.
ChilliKwokOctober 5, 2013 7:59 am
> Why now? .. why would Western decision makers choose to > abandon all pretence that they were ever > serious about climate mitigation? Dunno. Maybe they noticed the failure of any warming to occur this century despite over a third of all man-made CO2 having been emitted since 2000? Maybe their electorates have started to complain about all the green taxes forcing their energy bills ever higher for no reason? Regarding the '2 degree limit': It was always a political construct. A figure plucked out of the air by bureaucrats. People where I live already deal with temperatures from -10oC to +35oC from day-to-day and season-to-season. Warmth is good. Cold kills.
John BillotOctober 4, 2013 10:47 pm
Try honesty, transparency, even-handedness, open debate, less links with activism and maybe after 20 years or so people might start to trust you. Forget about the pompous views and use of terms like "deniers", "flat-earthers" "consensus" et al as actually the public in general can spot a snake-oil salesman at 100 paces. Finally, don't forget who pays the bills - they include the denying, flat-earthers who work hard to pay their taxes and your wages. Frankly if any employee, of a company providing services to the public, treated them as the "climate-science" brigade have done then they and the company would be history and rightly so.
ClimateLearnerOctober 4, 2013 5:40 pm
What did you just write? Let me quote you: "..the IPCC have removed any doubt about the anthropogenic nature of climate change..". What makes you say that? First, you will surely concede that all large-scale climate change preceding 1950 or perhaps even 1970 had nothing to do with humans as causes. Second, you will surely concede that the two warming spells in global mean temp in the 20th century were similar in magnitude and duration, and yet only part of one of them is claimed to be due to humans. Third, you must further admit that the temperatures of the 21st century have not been kind to the hypothesis that CO2 is a major driver of global mean temperatures since that temperature is gently declining while CO2 continues to rise. Fourth, the computer models on which so much of the (false) alarm is based have been performing dreadfully. The recent NIPCC report 'Climate Change Reconsidered II' is well worth visiting for chapter and verse on that - they have assembled a dismal catalogue of model failures. Dismal for the alarmed ones that is who seem to want there to be a crisis. Not at all dismal for those of who don't, and whom remain unconvinced that a remotely decent case has yet be made for one.
nigelfOctober 4, 2013 4:55 pm
More like reality vs delusion, and more people, and hence politicians, are throwing the global warming scam into the dustbin where it truly belongs. The next step I want to see is prosecutions, jail time and forfeiture of proceeds of crime for those who foisted this scam upon us
Christian RiouxOctober 4, 2013 3:24 pm
The picture you show is not CO2. CO2 is colorless. The chimney spouts out water vapor or other chemicals.
Kimbowa RichardOctober 4, 2013 2:58 pm
Interesting. Are there outlets in Uganda for this?
mememineOctober 3, 2013 9:43 pm
Be a real progressive and get up to date: *Occupywallstreet now does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded and corporate run carbon trading stock markets ruled by politicians. The climate change consensus of them only agreeing on nothing beyond that it “could be” an inevitable crisis and NEVER agreeing or saying it WILL be a crisis makes 30 years of needless CO2 panic Liberalism' s Iraq War without a real enemy. Science has never agreed it will be so can you remaining believers stop saying it WILL be? So warn the world a crisis "COULD" happen all you like for all we care.
ClimateLearnerOctober 3, 2013 3:26 pm
Both the '97%' and the '95%' are fatuous figures, and their use undermines the integrity of any user managing to keep a straight face about them.
ClimateLearnerOctober 3, 2013 3:24 pm
The climate 'establishment' got 'established' because of overblown scares about CO2. They are distancing themselves from both the catastrophism and the notion that CO2 dominates the climate system. These two notions got these people their jobs and their status as prophets. Mama Nature has been so uncooperative with these notions that they are being sidelined, at least until temperatures start rising again as many seem to actively hope they will.
JackSavageOctober 3, 2013 3:16 pm
"...the small numbers: 0.9C of climate warming on the surface since 1901 doesn’t feel like very much, and people’s perception of temperature is that’s not very much ......" That is because it IS NOT very much, and it is by no means certain that those figures are correct anyway. The communication "problems" these people are having is trying to hype up a small, if existent, "problem" which we would, in any event, have no practical means of avoiding. How about a bit more communication about the "hiatus"? Oh, er, mumble mumble....
Canuck57October 2, 2013 9:46 pm
What I find strange is how volcanic activity is missing from any discussion. Volcanic activity has drastically affected global climate all through history, causing major temperature fluctuations, famines, wars, and disease. And yet, we're currently in a period of increased volcanic activity suddenly this has no affect on climate. Go figure.
ErinOctober 1, 2013 11:39 am
Do you have a reference for the study in the Journal of Climate, or perhaps a link I can follow? I am writing an essay on the topic and this sounds very interesting.
robnbcOctober 1, 2013 1:15 am
Lets face it, when 97% of the worlds top climate scientist are 95% certain that burning fossil fuels is moving us toward a +2 degree tipping point in climate change, its a good bet that we have a problem. Lets get past the fossil fuel funded talking points and discuss what policies will best insure that our children have a hospitable climate in which to raise their children. We owe them that regardless of our political differences.
Roberta McNairSeptember 30, 2013 10:01 am
Funny that Nestle's contribution to sustainability is in saving water. Funny because Nestle's buying up water rights all over the world to privatize the world's water supply. CEO Peter Brabeck-Lemathe doesn't think access to water is a human right. See it for yourself: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SEFL8ElXHaU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DSEFL8ElXHaU
John PailySeptember 29, 2013 6:15 pm
All problems of the world including climatic aberration, and instability of earth and the society need to be understood as problem of energy and matter and earth’s struggle to maintain certain equilibrium. We need to awakening to the principle and design on which nature functions and evolve a global energy management to survive on earth http://www.boomerwarrior.org/2013/08/energy-to-matter-ratio-a-new-vision-to-understand-global-warming/
probirbidhanSeptember 27, 2013 7:19 pm
They started work on awarding India a job of building and operating coal power plants back in early 2010 - soon after the prime minister signed a 55-point joint communique with Manmohan Singh including the one involving power sector cooperation. No protests were there about the agreements until early 2011 when the PDB held a meeting with environment department and was criticised for selecting the Rampal site disregarding the Sundarbans and considering only low cost of coal transportation. Some retard people realised the consequences this year when the DoE started speaking in the same tone of the PDB and the energy adviser. But still, the DoE had to bow down to the government's intention. Later, the forest department and shipping ministry raised their concerns over the project. Who cares! The government also refused to follow a High Court ruling that stayed any activity of the project. It amounts to contempt, but since it was the government, the court did not say anything. Two more public interest petitions were filed later. But the court did not hold a hearing. The project EIA was rejected by the green campaigners in a public hearing in April, and the activists and environmental organisations formed a public platform 'National Committee for Saving the Sundarbans." Another National Committee which campaigns to Protect Oil, Gas, Energy, Power and Ports declared long march programme towards Rampal with a view to aware people about the plant's consequences. Now hundreds of people have joined the long march who were unfortunately either reluctant or ignorant about the project work. Well, they have realised, though late, and joined the long march that began on Tuesday. But the Awami League supporters have gone crazy now given the size of participants and the media coverage. Even the Indian newspapers have now been covering the long march developments. So the government has announced its plan to install another 1,320MW plant at the same site. I can't see what the Indian High Commission people are doing now, but can imagine ;) As a common consequence, the long march activists are supposed to be obstructed by police, administration and Awami League supporters just before reaching Rampal. Even Section 144 may be imposed. Oh, for your information, the great Bangladesh Army personnel are there at the project site now doing the landfiling job! Is it necessary that development must be done by destroying the environment and disrupting public life? Whatever you say to argue, I label it as a "crime."
John HaySeptember 27, 2013 6:52 pm
Actually, the best tweets today, in my humble opinion, came from @WMO_news.
Padraig StiltonSeptember 27, 2013 6:22 pm
Very clear message from the scientific community - I really look forward to the first serious policy response to this from a government. This is an opportunity for brave leaders to step up and leave a lasting legacy.
CCCRdgSeptember 27, 2013 1:56 pm
MILESTONE 2013 - It´s likely when the ice poles and glaciers are melted by 2020, in only 7 years’ time, the final global warming count down will have passed the point of no return “Tipping Point”. TIME2STOP all counterproductive man made activities RIGHT NOW! HOW?~Climate Change Centre Reading
DavidSeptember 27, 2013 11:18 am
Your global warming religion is just that, factless drivel to disguise socialism. Your precious UN has already been caught fudging the numbers and the globe has cooled while the ice on the pole is hitting record levels. Aren't facts a bitch?
mikehaselerSeptember 27, 2013 8:45 am
And like a gambler who is more and more certain with each failed prediction ... the IPCC will say that despite their failure to predict the pause they are even more confident in their ability to predict the climate. Isn't that the definition of delusion?
NegashSeptember 26, 2013 10:53 pm
This article has a lot of scientific flows, no reference at all, and is totally based on hate politics. If we talk about deforestation, the effect of current land grab policy is the worst policy that Ethiopia or any other country has ever seen on this planet. Deforestation get worse with the most recent land policy than the 13th century policy.The writer should at least acknowledge that the land policy was in a better shape in Ethiopia compared to all other 100% colonized African countries at the referenced time. However other countries still have better forest cover now.
wuhibusSeptember 26, 2013 4:50 pm
Just refer to the land Use land coverage data during the Italian invasion of Ethiopia between 1935-1938. The forest coverage and population was considered very good ...about 30 percent with population of around 12 million souls. I believe the the land degradation is a very recent phenomena of this century. Wuhib
mintesnot h. bantiSeptember 26, 2013 1:42 pm
We recommend betterconcentrate unveil the recent whole 20C redundunt no-oil conspiracies and return land grabs with land right on Australia.
Julius ReutersSeptember 26, 2013 11:29 am
That's a Reuters story, not Global Post
Jim CorcoranSeptember 26, 2013 12:32 am
The fastest mitigation to climate change is to severely reduce consumption of animal foods. About 1/2 of human induced warming is attributable to animal agriculture. Methane is 24 times more potent than CO2 and takes only 7 years to cycle out of the atmosphere. CO2 takes around 100 years to come out. Human pursuit of animal protein is the leading cause of methane release and a primary cause of CO2 concentrating in the atmosphere. Check the facts and act! "A 1% reduction in world-wide meat intake has the same benefit as a three trillion-dollar investment in solar energy." ~ Chris Mentzel, CEO of Clean Energy "As environmental science has advanced, it has become apparent that the human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future: deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities, and the spread of disease." Worldwatch Institute, "Is Meat Sustainable?" “If every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetables and grains... the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than half a million cars off of U.S. roads.” Environmental Defense Fund “It’s not a requirement to eat animals, we just choose to do it, so it becomes a moral choice and one that is having a huge impact on the planet, using up resources and destroying the biosphere.” ~ James Cameron, movie director, environmentalist and new vegan 21-Day Vegan Kickstart http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/kickstart/kickstart-programs
JoSeptember 25, 2013 8:48 pm
Out of the 1 gigawatt of aesthetically pleasing installs to chose from you had to choose an awful picture of a very poor installation!
SpecialKinNJ and elsewhereSeptember 25, 2013 6:20 pm
November17, 2007 U.N. Report Describes Risks of Inaction on Climate Change By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL VALENCIA, Spain, Nov. 17 “If there’s no action (on implementing IPCC recommendations) before 2012, that’s too late,” said Rajendra Pachauri, a scientist and economist who heads the IPCC. “What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment.” http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/17/science/earth/17cnd-climate.html?pagewanted=print If we can believe Chairman Pachauri, there is no need for debate: It's already too late to save the planet.
Michael WSeptember 25, 2013 8:45 am
Copernicus used scientific argument in the 1400's to persuade a disbelieving ruling class that what seemed obvious, that the sun and the stars revolved around the earth, was in fact not so. And so todays climate scientists battle with the same scepticism. It takes a great deal of trust in science to think a mammal can influence the earths climate as science is now revealing, but we ignore this evidence at our peril. As the academic, geneticist and environmental campaigner David Suzuki recently stated, Tony Abbot will be judged as criminally negligent if he fails to act on sound evidence, unlike the ignorant ruling classes of the 1400's who simply passed into obscurity thinking they were the centre of the universe.
Gary WardSeptember 25, 2013 5:24 am
These statistics do not do much good for the credibility of the climate scientists saying that climate change (particularly heating) is real. Their credibility is further harmed by the rumours that there are attempts to squelch this information. From my view, if the model is not predicting the phenomena, then the model is bad. I'm still not getting that warm, fuzzy feeling of belief. I don't need another article to try to convince me, I need a good, well-argued, statistical and phenomenological analysis that shows either side is correct. Till I see it , I remain skeptical.
James Singmaster, III, Ph.D.September 25, 2013 3:46 am
The only viable action to save humanity including your children is to MAKE THE SUN OUR SOLE ENERGY-POWER SOURCE. I have posted many comments on how to do this on various blog sites so you can get full details by searcining my name, J.Singmaster, III, Fremont , CA
Ever the skepticSeptember 24, 2013 2:50 pm
Examine the trend from the 1920s to present rather than beginning in the 1880s which were an abnormally cool period. Also consider that the trend at long-term rural weather stations has been flat to down while the trend at urban station has been up. Then think about those daily weather forecasts that go something like "tonight will be in the upper 50s in the heat sink [city] and lower in outlying areas. Most of the increase in average temperature has been at the minimums, not maximums. Now who is drinking the Kool Aid?
mbragancaSeptember 24, 2013 2:45 pm
Part of the problem has been cherry-picking data, as you mention in your article. In 2011, Dr. Richard Muller completed a study that incorporated a complete-scale of historical temperature & CO2 concentration data. Muller had been a climate change skeptic until this study was completed. He is now firmly aware that the globe is warming and that humans are the cause.
Jonathan Teller-ElsbergSeptember 24, 2013 2:42 pm
Jeffrey Marguillies comment is confusing. The article quotes him saying
“I think generally the business community prefers market mechanisms to reduce emissions but the political appetite for it seems to have just dried up.”
It's not clear if this is an expression of his own opinion or if he is relaying the opinion of others. Regardless, the whole point of cap-and-trade schemes is that they ARE market mechanisms instead of "command and control" policies. Absent government intervention, there is no mechanism in the market that accounts for climate externalities. The government might intervene by mandating use of specified abatement equipment, a policy that can fairly be called command and control. On the other hand, when the government establishes a cap on carbon emissions and then issues tradeable permits for allowed increments of emissions, then a market for emissions is created, a market that intertwines with the related markets for energy production and sales. Market participants (electricity generators) then can choose their own most-efficient method for acting within the market: replace carbon-emitting generation with non-carbon sources or purchase emission permits or some mixture? This is the same as a generator choosing on traditional market grounds between building a new power plant using fuel X vs. fuel Y, or between building a new power plant at all vs. investing money in efficiency upgrades, or between buying disposable pencils or refillable pencils. Each choice has pros and cons, each choice has costs and benefits, and it is the market actor that retains the ability to make the choice that seems appropriate to itself.
Ryan MeadeSeptember 24, 2013 1:00 pm
Please take EcoSplat out of the list - it's a troll app created by a climate change denier.
FlashSeptember 24, 2013 11:35 am
Hmm. So lets say there are two competing hypotheses in climate change: - Natural cycles - CO2 induced For a number of years the natural cycle and CO2 concentration seem to have been going in the same direction. It is difficult to tell which is dominant. Now the natural cycle and CO2 are going in different directions, we might be able to better see which is dominant. That should allow us to really determine CO2 sensitivities from observed data. Pointing out that 2000-2010 is a warmer decade than previously measured tells us nothing. It is consistent both with being at the top of a natural cycle and if we are on a run-away CO2 driven temperature increase. Climate seems to be driven by both natural cycles (sea, sun, ice-cover ...) and likely also some man-induced influences (CO2, aerosols). It is also driven by non-cyclical events (volcanic eruptions, massive coronal subursts, meteor strikes). How much each contributes is not yet known.
James GreysonSeptember 24, 2013 9:50 am
Plans for cities are fine but what's really needed, but not discussed, is a plan for the economy. Markets and price signals must now reverse the problems they have previously caused. http://blindspot.org.uk/projects/#crc
handjiveSeptember 24, 2013 5:28 am
If I5 years is a too short time scale, what does that say about the time scale between the end of the ice age of the end of the 70's and Hansen announcing AGW in 1988?
papertiger0September 24, 2013 2:51 am
The currently available drafts of the IPCC report have added fuel to the fire by dropping the lower range of climate sensitivity from 2C to 1.5C. It's a rare thing for an entire field of scientific endeavor to regress after 20 + years of lavish government funding. Yeah. If I were Scott Mandia I'd be embarassed too. He has every reason to be ashamed. Only plus side for him - he has a lot of company. Oh and you know what? When you pull your head out of computer models and look at actual evidence, Life expectancy has doubled as CO2 has risen. Forget this nonsense about it being poison.
Billy___BobSeptember 24, 2013 1:30 am
"“There is no ‘Greenhouse Warming Hypothesis’." Nonsense. AGW is a two part theory. Part one is based on physics and suggests a small amount of warming will occur if everything else is equal. Part two suggests there are are massive positive feedbacks that will results in huge amounts of warming. Part two is falsified by the pause.
OtterSeptember 24, 2013 12:39 am
At the height of the Midieval Warm Period, there was very definitely one decade which topped all others. And it was quite likely- according to hundreds of peer-reviewed papers- even warmer than this decade. And then, things got colder again. What goes around.....
Luca MarazziSeptember 23, 2013 9:28 pm
former UK scientific advisor's take: "King said that a "considerably more creative" solution was needed. This would be most likely to take the form of a "bottom-up" arrangement by which each country could set its own targets on greenhouse gas reduction, and meet them at a national level, rather than having to submit to internationally set goals." Big problem being enforcement of emission cuts and other measures... http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/16/david-king-fracking-shale-gas
windy2September 23, 2013 6:59 pm
In light of recent public rejection of exaggerating alarmist politicians in Australia and Germany, they might as well go down kicking and screaming like the spoiled children they present to the world.
Andrew OsborneSeptember 22, 2013 2:31 pm
Perhaps this article should bu put in context. Although trees will shut down their systems during high temperature weather events, there are other benefits they provide, such as shading and summer rain interception (flooding mitigation) to name a few. The article implies that trees in cities may not be as useful as most people are led to believe. Plant more trees!
Max MogrenSeptember 22, 2013 3:07 am
Geoengineering has been going on for decades as an arm of covert warfare. We now have economic wars, cyber wars, and weather wars which benefit the rich at the expense of the people and planet. Anyone who studies the sky with a critical eye already knows that stratospheric aerosol geoengineering is already being conducted around the globe with no public oversight. Wake up and look up. Peace.
Rinton AndrewSeptember 21, 2013 10:48 pm
Vital challenge for humanity, happen everywhere in Pacific.how many more time do we have to prove, that ambitious climate as been seen everywhere on Pacific.or around the global.act fast no room for last minute.
Urbane_GorillaSeptember 21, 2013 12:57 am
No. It won't kill coal, irrespective of the Industry and Sen McConnel's flapping their gums over it. 42% of our energy production is already using coal and that isn't affected by the new regulations: http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/images/pie_chart_fuel_mix.png he US only consumes 27% of the world's coal. There is nothing to stop shipping it out to the other 73% of the world that not only uses it, but in many cases (notably China and India) are actively building new coal fired power generation plants : http://rankingamerica.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/chart-of-coal-consumptionxlsx.jpg?w=595 Lastly,exporting is already occurring. Since 2009, our imports of coal have dropped to about 5% of our usage, while our exports have skyrocketed 3 1/2 times (from 10 to 35 short tons) : http://www.eia.gov/coal/production/quarterly/ In essence, the coal industry may be a dying dinosaur, but not only will it be around a long time in the US, but if managed properly, it should do quite well through exports.
Aubrey MeyerSeptember 20, 2013 3:26 pm
Interested to read that IPCC is mooted to declare an 'Emissions Budget' in AR5 when published next week. Presumably, if this is done, it will be calculated as 'UNFCCC-compliant'. The figure of 565 Gt CO2 [154 Gt C] put forward by 'Carbon Tracker' [and quoted here] is the same figure presented by Bill McKibben as the 'permissible maximum' future carbon output. If IPCC were to present that figure, it would be welcome as it reflect the urgency of the situation we are now getting into with human-induced climate change. I would be very pleasantly surprised it they do. However, the issue with IPCC is all the feedbacks, which IPCC-collated 'climate-models have again omitted in AR5, so one' inclined to doubt it: - http://www.gci.org.uk/Documents/IPCC_AR5_Underestimates_Climate_Change.pdf Here's a user-inter-active tool that helps 'do the maths' of this: - http://www.gci.org.uk/CBAT/cbat-domains/Domains.swf with further information at on-screen 'HELP'.
Kimbowa RichardSeptember 20, 2013 6:30 am
Principles of justice is the missing gap in climate change action
maryrobinsonsgrandsonSeptember 20, 2013 12:31 am
She looks like my grandma!
andyk1985September 19, 2013 8:48 pm
Actually, this link looks much more realistic considering the current science and latest studies. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/16/PLS-HOLD-FOR-TUESDAY-9-17-AFTER-11AM-ET-Climate-Study-Evidence-Leans-Against-Human-Caused-Global-Warming
zlopSeptember 19, 2013 8:40 am
Goes to show you, that Women can be compromised.
SebiSeptember 19, 2013 7:11 am
Very cool, keep up the good work !
MarcusSeptember 18, 2013 1:39 pm
It is a pity then that the UK ended its bilateral Aid programme, VSO programmes and British Council as well as closed a number of High Commissions including Tonga.
zlopSeptember 18, 2013 8:08 am
Testing to see if comments are for women only
zlopSeptember 18, 2013 8:07 am
UNelected IPCC wants to scare you.
Russell CookSeptember 17, 2013 9:43 pm
In case anybody missed it, this 'current' Greenpeace report is a rehash of their 2010 version. If you notice at Greenpeace's main web page for it, it has apparently only 440 or so Facebook 'Likes', which is what most folks would term a rather small "dead cat bounce".
rtj1211September 16, 2013 10:22 pm
I"m afraid you must be very skeptical about scientists whose livelihood requires them to raise grants to 'study global warming'. All you have to do to get 97% scientist agreement on something is to provide 95%+ of funds to produce the outcome you want. You don't get a grant if your proposal doesn't fit the parameters of the funding round. Science isn't done in a vacuum, it's done in a climate of funding politics. That is what you need to study and you need to look very, very carefully at where anyone can get funding to study climate science dispassionately. Hint: the IPCC is not dispassionate, it represents a hanging judge who has already decided to convict. Let us list a few sources of science you should examine: 1. The satellite temperature record co-ordinated by Roy Spencer. It shows no evidence of dangerous global warming since 1979, when the satellites went live. Please read the testimony to Congress that Dr Spencer gave in the past couple of years. 2. The sunspot cycle data since around 1800, where solar quietening correlates with temperature decreases and high solar activity associates with warming. The current cycle is showing the first major quietening for almost a century and a body of scientists predict that the next cycle will be quieter still. Please read the work of L. Svalgaard and others on this matter. 3. The correlations between PDO and AMO indices and temperature in the 20th century (put together by J. D'Aleo). The correlation is far stronger than that of carbon dioxide and temperature. One hopes that you are open to considering this evidence by scientists who dissent. If you can't, you may not be the best judge of the arguments......
windy2September 16, 2013 4:24 pm
Really they need a new coalition? Here in the USA such musing translates to pols asking politely for more green kickbacks to pols.
windy2September 16, 2013 4:22 pm
King is too late as his experts have informed us that the Arctic ice has completely melted in 2013 and that your children will soon die of spontaneous combustion in the near future.
SamSeptember 16, 2013 3:17 pm
What a peculiar appointment to make. Fun and games ahead. 'Illarianov was appalled by the behaviour of Sir David and his delegation, he wrote afterwards: "It is not for us to give an assessment to what happened but in our opinion the reputation of British science, the reputation of the British government and the reputation of the title "Sir" has sustained heavy damage." I'm touched that the Independent continues to do the charitable work of making Sir David feel better about himself by still taking him seriously. But I'm not sure I can promise to carry on this tradition when I take over as Environment Editor. Problem is, I'm with Illarionov. I believe, as he does, that the eco-fascist ideology and warped science underpinning the AGW scam are like something out of Stalin's Soviet Union. As Illarionov wrote: "That ideological base can be juxtaposed and compared with man-hating totalitarian ideology with which we had the bad fortune to deal during the twentieth century, such as National Socialism, Marxism, Eugenics, Lysenkovism and so on. All methods of distorting information existing in the world have been committed to prove the alleged validity of these theories. Misinformation, falsification, fabrication, mythology, propaganda." ' See: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100024591/at-last-expert-sir-david-king-expertly-reveals-true-identity-of-climategate-hackers/ Will a new wave of this nonsense become known as Hagueism, or Kingism, or just merely Dumbism Continued Beyond All Parody?
debeoufSeptember 16, 2013 2:40 pm
oil,gas , coal, fracking versus renewable energy.Now let me see who has the more to loose.
KangaiSeptember 14, 2013 7:02 pm
Agree with you cdoebbler until such time that developed countries will stop looking at others as recipients of some "manna" and treat them as equals who must be consulted over issues of resource management, this climate change thing may remain a boardroom indulgence for a long time. One solution is for developed countries to share the ill-gotten wealth achieved through overexploitation of labour and physical natural resources from developing countries back to them unconditionally. The surplus value of the lopsided economic activity by developed countries mustn't come to the developing countries with any conditionalities. When the dialogue on climate change reaches this level, we shall start having faith and hope, otherwise currently it is hype and PR stances good for the cameras and television but of no value to the majority people who live below the poverty line..
SpinyanteaterSeptember 14, 2013 5:57 pm
Why not tax the countries that are the source of fossil fuels and make them pay their fair share instead of taxing the end user, then discount the mark up by them so consumers get a fair go.
klemSeptember 14, 2013 1:10 pm
"One key member of the denial machine, astrophysicist Willie Soon from the Smithsonian Institute for Astrophysics.." Ever wonder how a person who lives and breaths science, who has demonstrated sufficient science brilliance to achieve a PhD in astrophysics and who works for the Smithsonian Institute for Astrophysics, can actually be a science denier? It's preposterous. Its like suggesting that the Archbishop of Canterbury is a key member of the God denial machine. Its bizarre. Climate alarmists really need to control themselves. All of this worry and finger pointing is in preparation for the IPCCs AR5 report which comes out in a week or two. And from what I've heard, the report is going to be a terrible blow to the climate alarmist religion, might effectively kill it. Can't wait.
klemSeptember 14, 2013 12:50 pm
" much as tobacco excise on it's own is never sufficient to discourage substantial numbers of smokers from indulging their addiction." I think you're right about that. In Canada a pack of smokes is roughly double what it is in the USA, yet the rate of smokers is about the same for both countries. Canadian governments simply make more money on each pack than American governments, and their excuse is always 'to pay for healthcare'.
Global Fracking BanSeptember 13, 2013 2:01 pm
Weak, corrupt, misleading, scaremongering, lack forward thinking, pursuing self interests.
anonymousSeptember 13, 2013 12:01 pm
The leaders of any of the developed countries can't see past "growth" and subsidizing fossil fuel companies where they accomplish nothing positive. Here in the U.S. the oil and gas companies are gearing up to frack in every open space available with the primary goal of selling their fossil fuels to other countries. This is NOT progress but padding of the pockets of our congress to continue to drill, mine, extract and clearcut, and continue, against the resounding voices of the people and massive protests to stop. They have used every trick, by introducing their mindset into grammar school teaching materials, advertising "clean coal", "clean natural gas", safe pipelines so they can get richer in spite of the hard evidence that we have only about 100 years before our planet become uninhabitable from heating up the atmosphere with fossil fuel emissions and other pollutants. I think every one of us is being touched by the lack of precipitation, wildfires, flooding and massive loss of wildlands, oil spills, sinkholes, hurricanes, birds falling out of the skies and beached sea creatures, fish with skin cancer, sea creatures dead from punctured intestine from ingested plastic that are directly caused by mans carelessness. My wish is for the scientists with the knowledge to rise with a united voice instead of remaining quiet in your offices. We will stand with you. The only ones that have come forward are about 200 evangelic Christians from Oklahoma. One small last note. The photo shows at least 60 windmill near my home shrouded in pollution from Bakersfield and Los Angeles. They are useless puny sticks with propellers that are only good at slaughtering birds and bats and no match for the monumental fossil fuel challenge ahead of us. Someone needs to pull the plug of these subsidies.
SandySeptember 13, 2013 6:28 am
You know what these big companies could do that would actually make a HUGE difference? Stand up and publicly - very publicly - stand up for climate science and denounce climate change denial. One of THE biggest obstacle to actual progress on climate action in the world is the fossil fuel industry-funded U.S. House and Senate members who deny, express doubt and obstruct any real climate policy. Being highly iconic private sector companies gives them legitimacy in the eyes of climate deniers and obstructionists, who cannot attack them as 'Lefty tree-hugging Socialist hoaxers.' Yes, that's something these companies and others could do that could make a world of difference.
ReasonableCanadianSeptember 13, 2013 4:01 am
It is morally and ethically correct for people to oppose this project. It is killing people. If enough people contact their MP's, the MPP's and stand up to oppose this, we can end this. Join Idle No More. Walk in protest. Write letters to the editors and vote.
Nick NaylorSeptember 12, 2013 5:27 pm
They claim to support a carbon price, but they backpedal whenever they think there might actually be a chance of that happening: http://ghgnews.com/index.cfm/exxon-backs-away-from-carbon-tax-claims/
cdoebblerSeptember 12, 2013 4:17 pm
A nice paint job to try to make a failed process look like it accomplished something, but they didn't. An agreement is farther away not closer. Developed countries don't want to contribute, they want the private sector to contribute, but we have known for a decade that the private sector can't even provide 15% of what is needed. Unless developed countries give up their selfish adherence to maintaining advantages that they have acquired over two hundreds years of over-exploitation of the planet's atmosphere, we are all going to have to give up on our planet.
LineoutwindowSeptember 12, 2013 4:04 pm
Can you guys get insurance for sea inundation over there in the States? Cause you can't in Australia. You can get cover for river and lake inundation but not sea.
Chris NortonSeptember 12, 2013 2:13 pm
Tony Abbott's room for manouvre will presumably depend on the political make up of the Senate. However, if he does manage to repeal the carbon tax it will represent a significant lost opportunity for the proposed link between an Australian ETS and the EU ETS, and ironically, the loss of potential cost benefits to Australian industry which could have ensued.
Stephen KlaberSeptember 12, 2013 1:59 pm
Gas flaring is insane! All of it can be collected, sold and used. We're even fracking to get similar gas. Regarding pollution from household stoves. I'm assuming that these are mainly biomass stoves using mostly wood. There are new stove designs out there to use biomass more efficiently and in a less polluting way. Check out the mwoto stove!
Erny72September 12, 2013 12:23 pm
About time! Now let's see Tim Flannery try to find a real job.
Erny72September 12, 2013 12:20 pm
yes it's sad news, a token objective of 5% reductions in thin air emissions as a consolation prize to nutters who still voted for the pathological liars who can't do sums. Why Tony feels the need to waste the effort pandering to the remaining believers in 'the cause' any longer beggars belief.
Erny72September 12, 2013 12:05 pm
Interestingly, New Zealand is a place where new ideas can be tested on a civilised society, ideas like EFTPOS were tried there since failure only upsets 4 million people, if it works, the next step up is 20 million Australians, then on to the rest of the civilised world. So the ETS failed in New Zealand and was mercifully avoided in Australia. My considered comment on the government's approach is "well done so far chaps, now grow the minerals to bid farewell to bad rubbish and abolish the ETS altogether". New Zealand and of course Canada have set a sensible example, it looks like Australia might now begin following suit with KRudd and Juliar consigned to a sad chapter of Australian history.
Erny72September 12, 2013 11:38 am
John, you are aware that earthquakes occur when two adjacent techtonic plates rub against one another, or one breaks owing to compressive stress? You'll have to explain why you believe the weather triggers this. You assertion regarding global warming and elevated temperature is also out of step with the theory that lies at the heart of 'the cause'; "Global Warming", the hint's in the name.
Erny72September 12, 2013 11:31 am
I put it to you that you have your parties muddled up Cindy, eevil 'big oil' is an open supporter of a carbon (dioxide) price. No realistic carbon (dioxide) price will substantially deminish energy demand, much as tobacco excise on it's own is never sufficient to discourage substantial numbers of smokers from endulging their addicition. A carbon (dioxide) price will merely elevate the cost of energy to a level just tolerable to the market in order to allow disingenious governments and traders to skim off a little bit extra. 'Big oil' supports a carbon (dioxide) price because if cheap, reliable coal fired base load electrcitity generation does become too expensive or sufficiently politically incorrect, then it must be replaced by more expensive, reliable gas fired base load electricity generation (because no matter how you spin it, wind and solar energy are far too expensive and far too unreliable to replace conventional energy supply, most people are still frightened of nuclear fission and Greenpeace et al are too stubborn to admit that hydro-electric generation is also 'clean'). Now when the politically correct bureaucracies of the western world spend their last available credit to pay for conversion of their energy supplies from coal to gas dependency, who benefits from the increased demand for natural gas?
Erny72September 12, 2013 11:02 am
“whilst fighting climate change, our 20-20-20 goals have set our economy on the path to green growth and resource efficiency, reducing costs and creating jobs...” That's an interesting spin on Europe's industrial and economic decay, never mind the flash in the pan that characterises this mythical 'green growth'. What colour is the sky on Jose's home planet?
econolystSeptember 11, 2013 11:02 pm
Joe - within the Atkins project there was a lot of emphasis put on transportation (less so on inventory). Across whole product life cycle - supply chain transportation was found to be negligible (<0.01% of embedded CO2). The idea of using AM as a distributed manufacturing solution for carbon reduction was largely dismissed. All the evidence actually points to establishing efficient centralised factories, with very well packed and optimised machines using low impact / green energy. We have recently completed a study with IBM consulting which supports the stock reduction argument - but it is more focused on reducing break even economics.
Nick697September 11, 2013 6:44 pm
Funny how the Manmade Global Warming alarmist tinfoil hat brigade didn't draw any conclusions after a series of record cold winters in Europe. And now there has been a leak from the IPCC where they actually predict global COOLING. Funny how this didn't make the news. Algore, are you listening? . A leaked report by the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says that the world is not warming but is actually cooling, and will continue to get colder until the middle of the century. You remember the IPCC, right? It’s the group whose 2007 report on global warming said that snow would disappear from everywhere but the highest mountains, icebergs would melt causing sea levels to rise, deserts would spread, people would die in heat waves and pretty much the earth was going to end if we didn’t immediately destroy our carbon-fueled economy with job-killing government regulations. Well, that’s not happening. In fact, the Arctic ice caps have grown by 60 percent since 2012. There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, they equivalent of almost a million square miles. In a rebound from 2012's record low an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin. The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes. A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century. If correct, it would contradict computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming. The news comes several years after the BBC predicted that the arctic would be ice-free by 2013. Despite the original forecasts, major climate research centers now accept that there has been a “pause” in global warming since 1997. The original predictions led to billions being invested in green measures to combat the effects of climate change. The changing predictions have led to the UN's climate change's body holding a crisis meeting, and the IPCC is due to report on the situation in October. A pre-summit meeting will be held later this month. But the leaked documents are said to show that the governments who fund the IPCC are demanding 1,500 changes to the Fifth Assessment Report - a three-volume study issued every six or seven years – as they claim its current draft does not properly explain the pause. The extent to which temperatures will rise with carbon dioxide levels and how much of the warming over the past 150 years, a total of 0.8C, is down to human greenhouse gas emissions are key issues in the debate. For public release, the IPCC says it is “95 per cent confident” that global warming has been caused by humans - up from 90 per cent in 2007 – according to the draft report. (Translation: Don't confuse us with facts; our minds are made up.) However, US climate expert Professor Judith Curry has questioned how this can be true as that rather than increasing in confidence, “uncertainty is getting bigger” within the academic community. Long-term cycles in ocean temperature, she said, suggest the world may be approaching a period similar to that from 1965 to 1975, when there was a clear cooling trend. At the time some scientists forecast an imminent ice age. Professor Anastasios Tsonis, of the University of Wisconsin, said: "We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10294082/Global-warming-No-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html
Peak SolarSeptember 11, 2013 12:50 pm
i would love to ride this type of boat or any other vehicle that is fitted with a solar kit or lots of them!
john vicSeptember 11, 2013 11:01 am
the imposition of financial penalties, new name for a tax but only after being paid to fix their pollution therefore the taxpayers are paying companies to reduce pollution, not the companies paying.just giving away money and hoping it will work but the majority are saying the money is no where enough to reach the goal.
env121September 10, 2013 11:57 pm
Nice try, but the truth of the matter is that those with water wells near fracking must now spend at least $2,600/year for tests to make sure their water is still potable. That's via Penn State. Twice a year testing for Tiers 1,2 and 3 contaminants, plus radioactivity. Add the increase in homeowners insurance for those living near fracking and the inability to get a mortgage or a home equity at a decent rate, because the big banks won't take a chance on it all, and we are so much worse off than ever now, thanks to fracking.
HarrySeptember 10, 2013 5:07 pm
Please get your facts right! The cost of decommissioning of EDF's existing reactors will be met by the Nuclear Liabilities Fund that has been built up over their operating life. To suggest that decommissioning might bankrupt the company is complete nonsense.
danielSeptember 10, 2013 8:40 am
Only 5% by 2020? You've got to be kidding me. This is sad news.
EnergyWiseSeptember 9, 2013 2:29 am
On the bright side, it is true that palm oil has contributed to economic well-being in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Papua New Guinea and other countries that produce it and no one denies that. If we keep a balanced view, we should take notice of the dark side as well, which is what conscientious people are fighting against. Leave alone the destruction of rainforests and the habitat of orangutans, piggy elephants, biodiversity and ecosystems, and issues of paraquat. From climate change point of view palm oil production is very damaging to the environment at present releasing millions of tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere yearly. This is more than the carbon dioxide released from the coal fired power plants in these countries. The farmers, planters, agriculturists and small holders work hard to bring palm oil on the table, however, in contrast the palm oil mills in the supply chain cause all the havoc. The solution to climate change damage lies at the palm oil mills. The mills should stop considering the 74% biomass by-product remaining after extracting the palm oil and palm kernels in the palm oil production process at the mill as waste material. It contain massive amount of clean energy! This clean energy when utilised efficiently and productively can bring down the carbon footprint of palm oil to significant low levels. Technologies and means are readily available to harness this energy to displace fossil fuel elsewhere outside the mill thereby mitigating the climate change damage by reducing the carbon footprint. The sad part is that the will to adopt is wanting in the palm oil milling industry. The Principles and Criteria of RSPO regarding optimising Renewable Energy at the palm oil mill is largely ignored at present. Rightfully, it's the palm oil mill that attention should be focus on. The increased production of palm oil in recent years necessitates large quantities of it being converted to biodiesel to absorb the supply. In this scenario, where the biodiesel is meant to displace petroleum diesel to reduce carbon emissions, the carbon footprint of palm oil comes into stronger focus. For interesting read browse: http://www.rank.com.my/energywise/ Yours sincerely, Energywise Climate change is ‘an immediate and growing threat.’ No stone should be left unturned to mitigate GHG and climate change.
debeoufSeptember 7, 2013 5:13 pm
Why don't the politicians listen? Stupid question I know ? Perhaps powerful Nimby's
Aunty FrackerSeptember 6, 2013 8:26 am
Isn't it true though that people say this when they don't live near a wind farm and there's no threat of one being built, only to change their position when it becomes a reality that will affect THEM? There are lots of examples of communities across the UK rejecting wind developments on their doorstep, and growing signs that large-scale solar farms too (with plans thrown out very recently in Norfolk after a high profile campaign that included Gryfff Rhys-Jones)
motorwaydrifterSeptember 5, 2013 10:35 pm
That should read "67% of people surveyed" It would be interesting to know what cross section of the population was actually asked the question, and how the question was phrased.
OSeptember 5, 2013 10:10 pm
I am all for reducing pollution and making our way of living here more sustainable, but to keep implicating that CO2 is the main engine for climate change is very shortsighted. Did you know that the rest of the planets are experience physical changes as well, even more than Earth? Think about that....
snowieSeptember 5, 2013 9:23 pm
How many of these so called supporters of wind turbines live within close proximity to turbines? How many are aware of the health issues involved by having wind turbines close to homes? How many are aware of the loss in property values associated by living near wind turbines? How many are aware of the true costs of wind power, and how land owners and people like Dale Vince make vast fortunes out of wind turbines? Wind power is a scam. No conventional power station will ever close no matter how many turbines are inflicted upon our county. They are not green, not clean and not cheap. If we got rid of them all tomorrow, it would not make one bit of difference to the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere. They are a con.
Felix MattSeptember 5, 2013 12:14 pm
US tops with five largest operational solar plants followed by Spain & Germany with two each. There are almost dozen of Solar power plants being constructed around the world. You can go through some details of the list that showcase Largest solar power plants in the world will show the details solar panels usage by various plants.
Kaj EmbrénSeptember 5, 2013 10:57 am
Business as usual again.... thats not what our planet ask for...
Climate HomeSeptember 5, 2013 10:44 am
Thanks for your comment Apollo. If this is an area of speciality for you we'd be interested in hearing more - specifically how the provinces are coping with their adaptation/mitigation plans - feel free to get in touch. Ed King, RTCC editor
ApolloSeptember 4, 2013 6:33 pm
Unfortunately all the policies and laws you mentioned are totally out of context. It would have been more relevant to try and analyse the difference or impact that they have had till now (or otherwise). The National Climate Change Policy referred to above is only an academic document with no plan of action for implementation. Although written at the federal level, the onus of implementation has been shifted to the provinces who are now burdened with devising their own plans of action. Capacity even at the federal level in terms of developing a national stance on issues such at mitigation for international dialogue is severely limited, what to speak of the capacity of provinces responsible for implementing a Climate Change Policy.
BartonSeptember 4, 2013 10:47 am
Who taught you to spell????
Galvanically IsolatedSeptember 4, 2013 10:16 am
Why did you use such a terrible installation photo for your good news story? the install looks like it breaches building and MCS regulations in several ways.
Mark AiassaSeptember 3, 2013 9:03 pm
Sadly few remember Hermann Scheer efforts and comments on how coal, oil, and nuclear. would resist and block the progress of solar. Now only one German solar company Solar World is hanging on and with middle eastern money. Once German was the solar leader now we have allowed the Chinese to crush companies like Q-Cell ( Now Korean owned) where the R&D was the true gain and value. Chancellor Angela Merkel has sold out the German Solar industry leaving dirty coal and the reliance on Russian natural gas both a bad move for Germany. The feed tariffs were actually working to well for other energy providers. If solar can work in space as it has for years it can work on our roof tops it only needs serious commitment and investment.
HardemanSeptember 3, 2013 8:16 pm
While most of the article has it right, it is more than slightly disingenuous to suggest, as the title does, that the aviation industry is to blame for any lack of agreement or possible delays at ICAO. It may be worth recalling that is has been precisely the aviation industry who have been pushing the hardest for a global agreement at ICAO.
Honeybee Blaze FrolicsSeptember 3, 2013 10:55 am
Remember the Concord a $7000.00 ticket! We were all paying for that flight ride, was this not subsidized by nation governments. As a swimmer, I meet alot of interesting people, I met a gal that was getting married and went to London from New York two times in the same week to get fitted for a wedding gown on her fathers company time! Extravaganza!!! Let me hold my breath......imagine the fuel dropping along the coastline of Florida in plane-site of airline traffic and your skin is getting an extra gain of fueled sun rays and/or you are breathing in airline fuel particles in your lungs this contaminate in the air cause Asthmaand /or severe sun-burn? Price on Carbon!
zlopSeptember 3, 2013 4:19 am
To stop Climating of Weather Julia Gillard - Asification is the name of the Game uTube
Bob CampbellSeptember 2, 2013 11:47 pm
All the evidence from the past shows that increased CO2 is caused by increasing temperatures and lags behind it on way up and down.
Joe @ evok3d.comSeptember 2, 2013 10:47 pm
Thanks for an Interesting article. The subject deserves more research. Particularly on the supply chain savings due to reduced transportation and inventory.
Richard MoseleySeptember 2, 2013 3:56 pm
At the start of September 2012, the Antarctic icepack was 14.2 million sq km (msk) in size. Today, a year later it's 15.0 msk or 5% annual increase (NOAA satellite data). From 14.2 msk the icepack lost 83% of its size to 2.4 msk before expanding 625% to today's 15.0 msk. If East Antarctica is currently undergoing changes then they're more than compensated for by the rest of the pole's overall expansion. Science, not ideology.
John PailySeptember 2, 2013 3:48 pm
Earth is designed to perceive and transport heat/energy. This ability to transport heat helps Earth maintain its temperature within some limit for life to survive. The idea that Global warming increases the Temperature is wrong. We need to understand climate change in terms of exchange of unwinding force of heat or energy [sun and human activity] and winding Cooling] force of Earth. What happens with exponential increase in energy is that the transport and exchange of energy is accelerated and it takes power. This means we will see huge destruction by fire/wind [Unwinding Force of Sun and Human Activity] and simultaneous increase in flash flood/floods.[ Winding force of Earth that tries to counter] Eventually this would increase earth quake and volcanic eruptions that can wipe out civilizations – we are on the self-destructive path - http://www.scribd.com/doc/164618031/Truth-That-Can-Save-the-World-Part-Knowledge-that-can-save-humanity-from-Climate-Catastrophes
MarkingtonSeptember 2, 2013 10:58 am
I'm sorry but the RSPB take a great deal of money from Wind interests and On shore wind turbine have a catalogued history of not just destroying habitats but of killing rare birds directly. RSPB a shill for Big Wind
Martin ClarkAugust 31, 2013 11:42 pm
Fasullo's paper on the Australian 2010-11 weather events swallowing the water: I missed this first time around. Likely to be bunk. The major flooding Fasullo seems to be referring to was the result of rain falling WEST of the Great Dividing Range flowing EAST back into the Pacific. Like it has done numerous times in the past and will continue to do in the future. (At least he seems to realise 2010-11 was a re-run of 1973-4.) The mapping needs to be enlarged a bit, and pick up ALL the catchments, not just Georgina and Diamantina. Start with the Burdekin system, then go south.
zlopAugust 30, 2013 11:00 am
Coming little Ice Age will reduce Canadian and Siberian wheat crops. Temperature drop into the 90,000 year Ice Age could be quick. COP scares to promote Global Warming taxation.
zlopAugust 30, 2013 10:55 am
Coming little Ice will reduce Canadian and Siberian wheat crops. Temperature drop into the 90,000 year Ice Age could be quick. COP dare to promote the Global Warming scam ?
Susan C HarrisAugust 29, 2013 11:24 pm
Most of the glaciers worldwide are receding, and overall they are losing 150 billion tons of ice a year. http://clmtr.lt/cb/wKY0fx
Robin MazzaAugust 29, 2013 7:42 pm
Climate change is already happening, it just gets worse from here!
Robin MazzaAugust 29, 2013 7:41 pm
The poles are losing 150 million tons of ice a year, It does get worse!
David NguyenAugust 29, 2013 7:12 am
Thanks for highlighting various aspects of wind turbines and power generation. Wind power is produced by using wind generators to harness the kinetic energy of wind.
wilbert RobichaudAugust 28, 2013 2:09 pm
How does an Alkaline Solution can be acidic?
ThomasButler76August 28, 2013 12:25 pm
Wow reading this really shows why people should get their home insulated, but which type of insulation do you think is better cavity or foam insulation?
Olivia HeartellyAugust 27, 2013 3:21 pm
Most folks don't prefer window dressings of any sort. Imagine turning down the sun from your window. Like think about not getting arm-smolder while holding up in activity and we should not lose trace of what's most important. I hope this could be made into a competitive buyer alternative. CTS-Inc.net
AnneAugust 27, 2013 2:57 pm
That's annoying :(
CamelCamAugust 27, 2013 2:35 pm
$620m compared to $1.5b, that is very impressive. Any idea what sort of energy rating a building on that scale with pannels would have? Modern Methods of Construction
Mrinmoy DasAugust 27, 2013 8:00 am
Thanks for the posting of innovative car model, would really match with the climate change and land tenure.
BadanAugust 27, 2013 7:31 am
I hope the use of Hydropower energy, Nuclear power and the firewood all add up to the warming of the Earth because of the population explosion.
Abdul MajeedAugust 26, 2013 3:59 pm
Hi It's very nice how about the price Thanks Abdul Majeed
AlmateAugust 25, 2013 9:31 pm
I want one ! Looks brilliant !
mememineAugust 23, 2013 2:29 pm
Stop this fear mongering now! Science has yet to say or agree that their own 28 year old threat to the planet is inevitable or eventual or unavoidable or WILL happen. What has to happen now for science to agree on something past "could be" or is it too late now as they themselves have suggested? How close to irreversible and unstoppable warming will the lab coat consultants take us before they agree it WILL happen not just "could" and"might" and "likely' and.....................? The ultimate disaster needs certainty not "maybe" and science can end this costly debate instantly by saying their crisis is now really going to happen. Help my house could be on fire maybe?
relkogroupAugust 23, 2013 12:17 pm
Climate change is such a big issue with so many environmental damages to go with it. We really do need as many plans in place as possible so we are ready to deal with it as best we can.
Joseph EllsworthAugust 23, 2013 7:17 am
The concept is valid even if you need to use different trees to meet regional culture and economic needs. The alziba lebbeck tree also grows fast and is drought tolerant but it supplies foliage that both cattle and sheep can eat and which can be used as a nitrogen rich compost. There are many other trees that could also be used. We now have A2WH.com Grow Anywhere to supply the water needed to grow seedlings in locations otherwise too dry for them to survive. Once the trees mature and their roots can reach the deeper soil moister they can survive without auxiliary water.
MikeAugust 22, 2013 9:59 pm
Bob - the story is about solar power, not wind turbines.
Climate HomeAugust 22, 2013 6:52 pm
Apologies to all Australians. That is now amended. It was Rudd saying he had never doubted the science. Ed King - Editor
Kym DawsonAugust 22, 2013 5:24 pm
Is this misinformation regarding naming the opposition leader of Australia 'Kevin Rudd' in the same sentence naming our Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, or just a sus typing error?...Tony Abbott is the opposition leader....so just WHO said they "never doubted the science"...Rudd or Abbott?
Bob_WallaceAugust 22, 2013 5:22 pm
I don't understand what is being attempted here. A 10 kW turbine is tiny compared to the 2.5 MW turbines currently in use. (And there's a 7.5 MW turbine being developed.) Turbines take very little space. About a half acre, 0.2 hectares for tower footing, access roads, everything. Little turbines like this one do not get up into the stronger, cleaner flowing air that is found around 80m off the ground and higher. Also, India's lakes are not deep. Why not install a large, efficient turbine on the edge of the lake?
Tracey AllenAugust 22, 2013 12:55 pm
Congratulations...as an Islander (Prince Edward Island, Canada) we are ever hopeful to join your brilliance.
SteveAugust 21, 2013 8:02 am
The case of Ecuador and the apparent eco-friendly rhetoric of Correa is highly complex and multifaceted discussion. On the one hand Correa's push towards protecting can be viewed as another populist attempt to maintain power - as his vote and position in presidency is reliant on the indigenous vote. To further confuse the situation, the largely left leaning indigenous groups in Ecuador are reluctant to vote against him due to a history of elite domination and exploitation. As a paradox to the ideological values; plural-nationalism, anti-americanism and environmentalism which led to him to power. In these respects his position has softened. In the case for Yasuni, this is specifically with the reintroduction to neoliberal policies and foreign investment over natural resources. Consequently we witness the various active social movements that are gripping the country. In spite of the more obvious dispute over privatization of lands, is the governments tactics to further marginalized the voice from the left. Not only is he working to eliminate their access to many political spaces, he is denying them their rights as plural-national citizen. The heart of what the many social movements are attempting to dispute. Our hope is that these social movements continue their struggle, as their success may be the best hope for the future of Yasuni National Park.
Nexus NovusAugust 21, 2013 5:53 am
Fantastic news for India's renewable energy sector, are there any plans in other European companies to invest in the same way Germany have?
Biogas fellaAugust 21, 2013 5:36 am
Interesting technology. Another company, Greenlane biogas, has developed and installed bio-cng technology at over 70 international installations. May also be worth a peek!
paulAugust 21, 2013 1:16 am
Well THAT sucks
MarkAugust 20, 2013 6:27 pm
This message was sponsored by BP and Esso..
JimmyShandAugust 20, 2013 11:04 am
The danger is clear : that we shall fail to invest properly in renewable technologies and energy conservation because big business and big government has found an apparently easy solution to our security of supply issues. The energy from waste example is just one of many which, if properly supported (eg by tax incentives) would add together to take the pressure off our energy economy. Why are our political leaders so obtuse and short termist about these issues? it is incredibly frustrating.
jjhmanAugust 19, 2013 8:25 pm
Better to visit Skeptical Science: http://www.skepticalscience.com/
happygirlAugust 19, 2013 6:48 pm
he doesn;t answer why they absorb less when theyre warmer though. useless
AmicusAugust 19, 2013 2:02 pm
whose
maxthabisoAugust 19, 2013 1:21 pm
Great post. Time to finally turn the tide on global emissions and do everything we can to mitigate climate change and adapt to the impacts we are already experience.
Richard BettsAugust 19, 2013 12:06 pm
Reuters are out of order in commenting on the draft. The IPCC have released a statement on this, saying:
This draft, like any IPCC draft, is the result of the IPCC's process of repeated writing and review and thus a work in progress. The text is likely to change in response to comments from governments received in recent weeks and will also be considered by governments and scientists at a four-day approval session at the end of September. It is therefore premature and could be misleading to attempt to draw conclusions from it. Draft reports are intermediate products and should not be represented as the final scientific view that the IPCC provides to policymakers in its finalized and accepted reports on the state of knowledge of climate change.
The full IPCC statement is here: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/press-releases/pr_19Aug2013_wwg1_ar5.pdf
Lana707August 18, 2013 8:41 pm
What particularly jars me is that the Oil and Gas industry got 3 Billion in tax breaks in the 2012 Budget - the same year that the care system for the elderly and disabled received 3 Billion in budget cuts. We know where his priorities lie. Also, with reports coming out saying that carbon emissions have reaches 400ppm, by the end of the century the world will have reached 6 degrees of warming. Fracking is taking us down the 'business as usual' pathway towards global catastrophe... Surely Cameron realises that 'lower gas bills' are not the answer. Necessity is the mother of invention, and lower gas bills just mean everyone will leave the heating on (as usual). He'd be better off supporting the transition to energy efficiency and helping the elderly to pay their gas bills, rather than handing that same money to line the pockets of oil and gas companies.
Romaine.August 18, 2013 7:22 am
I fail to see that the comments below have any relevance to the subject, although I am aware of whence they came. They refer to the up-coming Australian election. The current Government instituted a carbon tax about 3 years ago which was used to fund climate research and start-up money for enterprising new companies. This seems to be working well, with one small company already building trial solar collectors based on those the US has in the Mojave desert, research is going ahead to improve solar panels and storage batteries for houses and there are many other innovative projects However, the Opposition proposes to cut the tax and refund part of it to the biggest polluters, the mining industry. The Green party is standing more candidates than ever before but they are too small and both the major parties have stated that they will not work in coalition with them, although our convoluted electoral system may just force them to. Everyone appears to have already forgotten the extreme floods, high temperatures and bushfires we suffered last year, which broke records going back 150 years. I feel that, since most of the population lives in or near the State capital cities, they know very little about what happens in to those outside in rural Australia and care even less.
JengmaAugust 18, 2013 3:01 am
Oh I wouldn't say that necessarily take a look at the relatively new and hydraulically fracked Tara Gas field in Qld Australia ... Looks very similar and while there why not take a look at the Condabine river now busily turned into a methane spa bath ... Just suggest you don't take up smoking near it if you plan to go for a dip! http://www.google.com.au/search?q=tara+gas+fields&client=safari&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ICgQUsCFEJGTiQebu4HwBw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAA&biw=1024&bih=672#biv=i%7C3%3Bd%7CRQy4xoxgIA9QpM%3A and you after first denying it was linked with nearby gas field there are now studies to suggest the fracking did cause .. Pretty much what the locals said ... Wasnt there before ... Is now ... Not really rocket science is it!
J.KaadéAugust 17, 2013 6:54 pm
I am not at Balcombe though I whole-heartedly support the protest to stop fracking, there - and at other sites, where water-extraction and water-contamination could jeopardise people's well-being. The pollution by noise, fumes, artificial lights, and the dangers and upset caused by new lorry-movements and by other machinery, near and away from the drilling site, will not be noticed by politicians and others who encourage this exploitation. These things will be devastating to the people of the locality, and hazardous to people who are further away. Although I am not protesting at Balcombe, I am represented by those who are so. However many people protest at Balcombe, they will be but a small number compared with those they represent - a vastly greater number with the same opinion and wishes. Yours, sincerely in support of the protest. J. Kaadé
klemAugust 17, 2013 12:36 pm
That's right, BO would never tweet something off the cuff, it would have to be scrutinized and approved by his writing committees first. He can't be allowed to speak on his own. You're right.
klemAugust 17, 2013 12:34 pm
A good old fashioned witch hunt, that's exactly what we need.
Richard ChubbAugust 17, 2013 11:17 am
Rutland and other rural authorities suffer because CESP and CERT funding was focussed on deprived inner city and estates. Rutland has none of this and still struggles to attract the big 6 to invest Eco funding in their areas. Rutland is leading the way working with its fuel poor and its successes and learning have now spread across Leicestershire and other counties. What this article fails to identify is that energy policy needs to address the rural fuel poor who have lost out in successive governments. DECC and DOH should be praised for the funding made available this year . My only hope is that this continues this financial year as Rutland aims to eliminate fuel poverty from its area.
probirbidhanAugust 17, 2013 10:29 am
DoE defends EIA approval for Rampal plant http://www.dhakatribune.com/environment/2013/aug/17/%E2%80%98divisive%E2%80%99-eia-rampal-plant-gets-approved-upon-%E2%80%98conditions%E2%80%99
roberta4343August 17, 2013 9:52 am
the un runs two schemes the CDM and joint implementation, well at least they got tht right, they surly are schemes (conspiracy to defraud the world of their resources all in the name of fighting a problem that doens't exist against a life giving gas that harms no one).the un is really good with coming up with methods to defraud and redistribute wealth to itself in the name of peace and security. at least they are not hiding behind the bible as their cover to rob people.
OleageonAugust 16, 2013 9:22 pm
This scientifically dangerous, monstrously absurd political nabka is about to become the downfall of the ludicrous Coalition so let it all soon come down about their ears!
MadDutchAugust 16, 2013 2:01 pm
Jade Simmons, I am challenging you to show this forum how the assessment is detrimental to the gorillas or the environment. I ask because I suspect you do not know what you are posting about. You could start by describing the actual assessment,
MadDutchAugust 16, 2013 1:53 pm
This is the second time I have had to say this; Do you know about the catastrophic decline of the hippo population, and of the failure of the WWF, the self appointed custodian of the Park and its wildlife (which presumably includes hippos), to prevent it? The WWF is exposing itself to an unfit for purpose challenge. Less time wasted posturing to the media with flawed and unscientific claims, and more time devoted to mammals which have the misfortune to be less attractive than gorillas, is needed. A change of management could help encourage a more ethical mindset.
Analyst7August 16, 2013 1:27 pm
Change America, say no to climate change!
Kimbowa RichardAugust 16, 2013 12:28 pm
Inspiring. But the important to roll this to developing countries where fast growing CO2 emissions are envisaged
NormAugust 16, 2013 4:10 am
There is some suggestions that low emissions will effect heatwaves after 2040.
fluffAugust 14, 2013 9:59 pm
Why do we all think about drilling for oil, gas, coal, when solar energy and geothermal should be the way to go. And we better do it now, climate change can kill millions in just a few years. Are we all really this stupid.
FluffAugust 14, 2013 9:46 pm
This is amazing, hope they do more in the future, where could people donate so more could be built. This would be a great fundraiser for children in schools. I remember Mr. Boyer my grade 5/6 teacher telling us about water shortages, and pollution. I was so freaked I drove my mother crazy for months over it, and that was in the mid sixties. I often worry about my grandchildren and what their futures will be like. But now I am thinking of all the children already made to suffer because of climate change. Scary.
Bombardier Transportation CorpAugust 14, 2013 9:17 pm
Why can't Bombardier also create energy renewable source too in different city... Like city have polluted area.. Like merge with Kawasaki Industries.
Neil PaulhusAugust 14, 2013 1:34 pm
...and as the various impacts from human activity - human existence - continue to increase in both number and severity, we will sit and tell the scientists they are wrong. Issues are raised and discussion is a good thing, but our great-great grandchildren are going to wonder what the hell we were thinking. Consider the implications and consequences if the AR5 does not create the kinds of action needed. To the hundreds of scientists who read the data and scratch their heads at the lack of real interest, I salute you and your tenacity. Please continue to educate those who think this is fiction. I suggest gathering about two hundred 'deniers' and put them in a room with one liter of water, and turn off the air conditioning. Gods speed.
Kelly RogersAugust 14, 2013 3:57 am
Wow. Wonderful! I salute you. Eight19 has helped many people from Kenya, Malawi, Zambia, and South Sudan. It's good to know that there are still good companies like yours that would not take advantage of poor people. Way to go! :) I hope I can find companies like yours in Australia. I also hope that big companies would utilise local installers like AVIC Solar so that they can help the Australian economy.
Leslie GrahamAugust 14, 2013 3:14 am
I think the most important strategy is to identify climate change deniers in government and out them so they can be removed from office at the next election.
charlesxAugust 13, 2013 6:20 pm
A childish series of activist campaigns to "call out climate deniers" and so on, likely to backfire.
gavinAugust 13, 2013 5:24 pm
BO has nothing to do with those tweets. There is an agreement that any real tweets by him will be suffixed with (bo) or somehting similar. I would like to commend Organizing For Action for continuing to act in a non-partisan manner as their tax status requires. Organising For Action Organising For Action Organising For Action Organizing For Action
SusanAugust 13, 2013 1:48 pm
I am not sure that I agree with fracking - not yet delved deep enough into the facts, however I cannot understand what closing our coal fired power stations will achieve when Germany are in the process of building new coal fired power stations and countries like China are continuing to build them. Are wind farms and solar power really the answer to preventing power cuts in this country in the not too distant future?
Heiko BalzterAugust 13, 2013 9:42 am
Climate models suggest that extreme weather occurrences will be on the increase as a consequence of global warming. It is not just the temperature that goes up, we are likely to see more extreme rainfall, drought, heat waves and long cold spells in the future. What the world needs is urgent action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuel burning, cement production and deforestation. Otherwise we are heading into a very uncertain future.
Tsu D' NymAugust 13, 2013 1:30 am
Wow! Someone did a first year science paper! Good on you....
NiCuCoAugust 12, 2013 8:21 pm
Because the temperature sets in the early reports were Eurocentric, later reports had more data from elsewhere in the world. The Medieval Warm Period was a real, localized-to-Europe phenomenon.
Ryan SargeantAugust 12, 2013 6:24 pm
The 1990 IPCC report included a rough graph identifying the 1990 scientific understanding of the MWP. Further research found that the MWP was smaller than initially reported in 1990 and subsequent reports show the updated version of the data.
Bruce RichardsonAugust 12, 2013 5:39 pm
What "link?" What were the concentrations in those water wells before the fracking? Apparently the author wasn't interested in that little detail. Measure the concentrations in the local water wells before and after the fracking. Not just after... Water wells often have such contaminants from natural sources. Sometimes they have methane.
Steve GoddardAugust 12, 2013 12:50 pm
Perhaps Bob could explain why the 1990 IPCC report showed the Medieval Warm Period much warmer than the present, and then the MWP disappeared in later reports?
zlopAugust 12, 2013 12:11 pm
Ice Age will be 90,000 years long -- (Arctic is warmed by aerosols) Indicating cooling -- Jet streams are moving towards the Equator. "Piers Corbyn Winters will now be Coldest in Centuries"
zlopAugust 12, 2013 12:03 pm
"irreversible tipping point thresholds within less than ten years and trigger abrupt runaway global warming" ? Greenhouse effect is saturated runaway warming has not happened in previous interglacial periods Other greenhouse gases interact with H2O, lower clouds and cool.
zlopAugust 12, 2013 11:53 am
"dire projections surrounding sea level rise and falling rainfall levels" Sea levels will fall in the coming Ice Age "Was Envisat Tortured To Death?" "These sea level data were definitely waterboarded"
zlopAugust 12, 2013 11:42 am
"most likely will be, facing runaway climate heating" ? Look up Thunderstorm Temperature Hypothesis Surface temperatures are limited by the properties of H2O
zlopAugust 12, 2013 11:38 am
By 2025, we will be into an Ice Age "Russian Scientist: New Ice Age to Begin in 2014"
zlopAugust 12, 2013 11:35 am
It is all a cruel hoax, Methane, like the Greenhouse Gas SO2, Cools.
zlopAugust 12, 2013 11:31 am
Agenda 21 -- Less for More Energy poverty is the UNelected goal.
zlopAugust 12, 2013 11:27 am
"warming effect of methane is more than 50 times potent than that of CO2" ? Search and reason out why "Greenhouse Gases in the Atmosphere Cool the Earth!" Supporting is that previous interglacial temperatures were similar to the present. Temperatures are limited see -- "Thunderstorm Thermostat Hypothesis"
zlopAugust 12, 2013 11:18 am
Goal is Global Governance, not tree hugging.
zlopAugust 12, 2013 11:16 am
"capture CO2 and mitigate anthropogenic climate change " ? CO2 cools -- Chem-trails are warming the Arctic. Impending Ice Age Doom -- not warming is the problem.
Confused!August 11, 2013 4:11 pm
Er...... Deforestation? ...... How about trying to put an end to that? After all, such rain forests have been providing a carbon sink for millennia and more!
GraemeAugust 10, 2013 12:56 am
In the mean time the worlds biggest carbon storage sink is waiting fro backing from the first world! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI
Whipped GreenAugust 9, 2013 9:37 pm
This is good news, let's hope the Government sticks to its promises. We are still third bottom for renewable energy generation in Europe so there is still a long way to go.
Gordon HerveyAugust 9, 2013 2:35 pm
Nice to see some long term planning consideration.
Trojan HoraceAugust 8, 2013 5:37 am
Set up an expectation of thousands then you can call hundreds a failure. Trojan horse?
Nagaraja VAugust 8, 2013 4:14 am
Sounds like a good idea, as long as 1% are willing to fund it.
susiAugust 7, 2013 10:57 pm
This is New Zealand mate, we are not Aussies.
Jade SimmonsAugust 7, 2013 4:40 pm
Even though the assessment is preliminary, it is naive to think that any kind of oil exploration would not be detrimental to the mountain gorillas or the surrounding environment. Mountain gorillas have a large home range and one study by Robbins&McNeilage (2003) showed that in Bwindi National Park Uganda that the home range across the 3 year study for the mountain gorillas was a combined 40.2 km2. In addition noise disturbances from the exploration will also potentially cause edge effects reducing further the area available for the mountain gorillas. The WWF does not refuse to understand the role of governing bodies in such matters but simply reveals how such companies are underhandedly trying to undermine international legalisation such as UNESCO world heritage sites to benefit themselves. The WWF try their best to ensure all the facts are laid out (unlike many lucrative companies) for the public to come to their own conclusions, They also do very well at educating the public in regard to international wildlife conservation and potential threats however it does seem like they may need to work harder with some people. .
emptyendAugust 7, 2013 2:06 pm
I think investors know all about the risks - I am one of them. What I find impossible to understand is why the WWF persists in misrepresenting a preliminary assessment of possible resources as being injurious to gorillas living tens on miles away and why the WWF refuses to recognise that is the responsibility and right of the elected sovereign government in the DRC to decide whether or not to allow any further work to assess whether there may be any meaningful resource there. The WWF do not help their case one iota by misrepresenting the situation.
Leslie GrahamAugust 7, 2013 12:57 pm
Climate change isn't funny you thick hick.
Mr FebruaryAugust 7, 2013 4:53 am
Very good article. Well my considered comment on the Government's approach is "ARGHHHHHHHHH!!!!"
brock2118August 7, 2013 4:45 am
I wish you Aussies would get your act together down there and turn off the CO2 so it would stop raining here in Missouri.
Wade doakAugust 7, 2013 4:28 am
Methane production from plant crops. In the seventies Invermay research Centre at Mosgiel developed a complex in which crops of maize and kale were biodigested to create methane gas, Neonate from the digester fertilised ongoing crops. Farm machines there ran on the gas created in this experimental set up. Its author Dr J H. Robertson claimed, in a govt publication , that following this method NZ cld be energy self sufficient in transport fuels from about one fifth of its arable land area. He gave a diagram representing a circle in South Canterbury. However,, production cld be all over NZ. All this work was state funded. I believe Invermay is still there but. what happened to all his nationally important work, tax payer funded work? did recovery from the first big oil squeeze put it aside and then, forgotten?
Arun SareenAugust 6, 2013 4:13 pm
The tragedy was man made to a very large extent. The nature gave a very strong message : "Don't mess with me".
Climate HomeAugust 6, 2013 3:13 pm
Thanks for your feedback Sebastian. Perhaps you'd care to elaborate? This will help us when choosing other topics to cover.
SebastianAugust 6, 2013 12:37 pm
What a useless article.
BrendaAugust 5, 2013 1:58 pm
This is only in the pipeline right now, however it would be great to see more about hydrogen cars.. or you can call the DVLA to find out as well - www.number-direct.co.uk/dvla-contact-number/
GeoffBeaconAugust 4, 2013 10:06 am
And increases in wildfires isn't to be in the climate models. See comment from John Mitchell at the end of this post: http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/do-you-belive-the-european-commission-on-climate-change/
COLIN TAMEAugust 4, 2013 1:58 am
SHOULD OF DONE THIS 15 YEARS AGO. THIS TELLS YOU SOMETHING ABOUT TASMANIA'S THINKING.
CBMAugust 3, 2013 3:15 am
Yes. Consuming the H2 in a fuel cell or combustion engine produces water.
WendyAugust 2, 2013 1:25 pm
Is a hydrogen economy that is based on water splitting sustainable from the point of view of the water consumed?
PG_BillAugust 1, 2013 10:39 pm
Of course it is. All you have to do is cut down a few forests and wait about 100 million years.
JennyAugust 1, 2013 7:47 pm
Very interesting, especially as we know that fracking can cause methane release into groundwater. Is this another risk from fracking that the companies concerned would rather keep undercover and the amounts of natural gas they can recover is actually less than what goes into the atmosphere accidentally? How much methane might have been released in the Japanese earthquake in 2011?
Climate HomeAugust 1, 2013 11:33 am
Matt - thanks for the note. Headline changed, ed
Climate HomeAugust 1, 2013 11:32 am
Hi CanadaKat - they are in Alaska, hence the reference
MattAugust 1, 2013 11:20 am
Misleading headline - Supercapacitors/capacitors are not batteries.
CanadaKatAugust 1, 2013 1:19 am
Ah, Yukon and Yukon Flats are not Alaska so why the reference to Alaska in the title?
CurtisAugust 1, 2013 12:34 am
There really needs to be more accountability on these oil spills. The companies never seem to do enough to clean it up, and put it on the government. When the government needs to cover these extreme costs, we pay more and get less. There needs to be better forms of punishment for causing an environmental catastrophe, such as embargo's, limiting their production, there must be more, we can not tolerate their ignorant behaviour anymore. We have one planet to live on, and 7 billion people that could be working. We all have things in common, even our differences make us all the same. We live on a tiny rock floating around an average star, we need to maintain this beautiful planet. I agree with needing industry, however, our environment is more important than our economy.
Harold ForbesJuly 31, 2013 2:52 pm
Money is the key. Unfortunately the rules of money persist with the assumption that Earth's resources and services are so abundant they can be treated as infinite and excluded from the price function.Price plays a critical role in markets, but the free market is distorted by treating the primary resource as the thing that is "free". The basis of this thinking was the 18th-century Enlightenment, when human population was much lower: the assumptions on how we could use natural resources were workable then. They do not serve us now. Zero Carbon Britain (http://zerocarbonbritain.org/) has shown how the UK could get there by 2030. A small change to the incentive system could make it a reality.
Harold ForbesJuly 31, 2013 2:28 pm
After a generation of talking, they need more time to talk? Politicians are a disgrace. We have known about the science of climate change for over 100 years and have had serious warning about the impacts and implication for the past 35 years; warnings that have been becoming more strident in recent years as the global economy has continued to hurtle down the "business as usual" route. That "business as usual" persists with the assumption that Earth's resources and services are so abundant they can be treated as infinite and excluded from the price function doesn't seem to have even entered the frame. Price plays a critical role in markets, but the free market is distorted by treating the primary resource as the thing that is "free". The basis of this thinking was the 18th-century Enlightenment, when human population was much lower: the assumptions on how we could use natural resources were workable then. A world population of 500 million using a resource at a rate that would appear to have it last 500 years could be forgiven for thinking 10 generations was sufficiently far away to be ignored. Unfortunately the same resource would be consumed by a 7 billion population in just over 35 years. We have a finite Earth and the task in hand is to make human economy symbiotic with the planet's ecology. If we do not we will not be the first civilisation to push our environment to collapse and cause our own decline but we will almost certainly be the first one to not only choose to do it knowingly but to incentivise people to speed up the process.
Harold ForbesJuly 31, 2013 2:12 pm
Even if this is the greenest government ever, they certainly haven't grasped the underlying structural problem with the global economy: that it rewards people for destroying the future. Thatcher recognised it back in 1988 when she said "No generation has a freehold on this Earth. All we have is a life tenancy -- with full repairing lease". Osborne and his acolytes simply haven't understood that the task in hand is to make our economy symbiotic with Earth's ecology. If we don’t we will not be the first civilisation to push our environment to collapse and cause our own decline but we will almost certainly be the first one to not only choose to do it knowingly but to incentivise people to speed up the process.
kalizhadaJuly 30, 2013 10:35 pm
It's going to take more than that to convince other people you have a legitimate rebuttal worth considering.
kalizhadaJuly 30, 2013 10:34 pm
I ran for city council in San Antonio,Texas last Spring to bring this issue to light since none of the other candidates dared to bring this issue up. And they elected someone who's agenda is comprised of side walks and bike trails as the primary concern for the community. That's South Texas for you, yeeh haw!
BLOB™July 30, 2013 4:58 pm
No need, Dick Cheney put a provision in to give them immunity if they do contaminate an aquifer. In 2005, at the urging of Vice President Cheney, fracking fluids were exempted from the Clean Water Act after the companies that own the patents on the process raised concerns about disclosing proprietary formulas - if they had to meet the Act's standards they would have to reveal the chemical composition which competitors could then steal. Fair enough, but this also exempts these companies from having to meet the strict regulations that protect the nation's freshwater supply.
stubJuly 30, 2013 2:58 am
correlation is not causation.
blahblahJuly 29, 2013 6:32 pm
I think they mean 'completely' gone. most of the models show a long tail of minimal (5% of historical coverage) ice that persists for several decades
danlxyzJuly 29, 2013 6:25 pm
It seems like a simple solution would be to have the drilling company pay to have all water wells within 5 kilometers tested before the well is permitted and then regularly afterwords.
James ZarindastJuly 29, 2013 5:01 pm
Don't drop the ball.
Michael Evan JonesJuly 28, 2013 4:51 am
Looks like no world climate treaty by 2020....again. Great going Boys!
Sheila CEEJuly 26, 2013 11:32 pm
One major change we cannot avoid no matter what we do now is to stop the ice caps from melting. Changes in the oceans from that event will most likely kill off sea life, a major source of food in many parts of the world that depends on salt waters. A change in temperature of the oceans will change rainfall patterns which will cause either floods or droughts and will affect crop growth, add pollutants to our air that cause disease and add to the demise of animal populations….Humans included. And that is not even addressing air pollution or a myriad of other issues. Good luck to us all.
greenvieJuly 26, 2013 5:53 pm
In case the URL didn't work in my previous message, here it is without the brackets. http://www.ucsusa.org/center-for-science-and-democracy/events/community-decisions-on-fracking.html
greenvieJuly 26, 2013 5:44 pm
Thank you, brave townsfolk of Balcombe! We all live downstream.
Fred WilsonJuly 26, 2013 4:25 am
2054? Who are they trying to kid? Estimates by reputable scientists based on the 2007-2012 trends show it will all be gone by October 2017 perhaps even sooner.
roger stillickJuly 25, 2013 7:18 pm
so in June 2013 the measurements were taken again per NASA in it's C-23 flights in Alaska...Q= what about the 2 yr old permafrost melt across NW Russia that now have mud bogs and Arctic Birch forests in it's place... from Archangel to Vardo, many tens of thousands sq miles ?? Russia isn't talking, but a check of Google Earth shows new roads and missing old airports and towns...WIKI= Methane shows 10 year life, 5 yr 1/2 life and we are 8 years to go...where did the methane go ?? NASA will fly a space mission in 2014 to check on this, hope it doesn't get defunded...RS.
MICJuly 25, 2013 5:44 pm
EWEA's report is in many ways using information from the Main(e) International Consulting report without proper credit. http://maine-intl-consulting.com/resources/Floating+Offshore+Wind+Platforms+Consortia+for+web.pdf
Aubrey MeyerJuly 25, 2013 10:15 am
Dear Mr Parnell, House of Commons Environment Audit Committee took evidence on this matter vis-à-vis the UK Climate Act. The Act omits all this so perhaps this may be of interest to you: -.http://www.gci.org.uk/Documents/EAC_Real_.pdf
Pressure Reducing-ValveJuly 25, 2013 5:53 am
Perhaps the strategy to get governments to act is to frame the problem from both a short-term and long-term perspective. While not typically as short sighted as the private sector (next quarter), elected governments think in 2-4 year cycles. The stakes are certainly high! http://clmtr.lt/cb/uUn0byD
USA MRIIDJuly 24, 2013 9:01 pm
You have the IQ of a Republican. No offense.
USA MRIIDJuly 24, 2013 9:00 pm
There is no debate. Climate change is happening, globally the climate is warming. No scientist working in the arena debates the demonstrable facts.
BeyeneJuly 24, 2013 6:51 pm
When the author takes about the disadvantage and impacts of the hydro power , he should have to discus also how this electricity produced saves millions of poor peoples. In the case of the Ethiopian dam on Nile river , it was confirmed and reported that the construction has there is no significance impacts on upstream countries, let us have enough information before raising issues like this. the 6,000MW Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam on the river Nile. - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2013/07/09/poorly-planned-hydropower-plants-linked-to-north-india-floods/#sthash.knxfkTYS.dpuf the 6,000MW Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam on the river Nile. - See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2013/07/09/poorly-planned-hydropower-plants-linked-to-north-india-floods/#sthash.knxfkTYS.dpuf
JebJuly 24, 2013 4:48 pm
Face-palm! The permafrost in the east Siberian sea is just an itty bitty almost infinitesimal piece of the hundreds of trillions of tons of planet-wide methane and other extremely more potent gasses stored naturally that, left as is, will exceed their their irreversible tipping point thresholds within less than ten years and trigger abrupt runaway global warming, pushing it's deadly side effects of severe climate destabilization and unprecedented catastrophic weather events... Outlined at this link > http://www.saveusnow.org/global-warming/#indextop
Dr Pitr FredrikksonJuly 24, 2013 4:29 pm
Planet's not warming. Bet the models don't take that into account.
crygdyllynJuly 24, 2013 12:02 pm
The levels of CO2 and CH4 rise are so extreme that I do not accept the assertions by climatologists that sea level rise will be so modest. The climatologists once predicted that the Arctic summer sea ice would not melt away until 2100, yet it already was down to 2 M sq. K last year. PIOMAS projects an ice free Arctic summer by 2017. Since they were so wrong on Arctic sea ice, why should we accept this optimistic projection? I expect the melt rates for Greenland and Antarctica to keep accelerating. I expect the permafrost and methane hydrate feedbacks to kick in big time. CO2 is going up at the rate of 3ppm per year. That rate will continue to increase. By 2100, we will have atmospheric CO2 levels equal to Cretaceous levels, when oceans were 200 ft deeper. The ice will melt - fast.
NormanWellsJuly 24, 2013 3:44 am
Desmond Tutu's country produces enough coal each year to create 15 times as much CO2 as bitumen production in Alberta does. Why doesn't he start on his own backyard?
Edward Scissor handsJuly 23, 2013 10:01 pm
Carbon dissipates out to space on a 7 year cycle. Everything else is BS. Geoengineering is compounding the problem.
Nick NaylorJuly 23, 2013 11:43 am
If you are tired of the process, tune it out. The first question you claim to care about was answered many years ago: There are no climate scenarios that are NOT significantly influenced by our release of CO2 ot the atmosphere. The other question is not realistic. It is not possible to predict future ANYTHING in full accurate details.
HeddaJuly 23, 2013 8:56 am
Blah, blah, blah. Just as we knew all along - there is now CAGW just the same old normal climate change that's been happening since the dawn of time. But yay governments and rent-seekers got rich off it. Yawn. Next.
zlopJuly 22, 2013 11:34 pm
We know that the Greenhouse Gas, SO2, cools. So will CH4.
zlopJuly 22, 2013 11:32 pm
It will be a problem, when their paychequers are reduced.
zlopJuly 22, 2013 11:29 pm
1000 ppm ? -- Greenhouses sometimes run at 2000 ppm "treat the CO2 in air as a reservoir or as a pipe connecting all living things?"
David RiceJuly 22, 2013 8:42 pm
"But as a layman, I'm tired of the debate." The debate among scientists ended decades ago.
David RiceJuly 22, 2013 8:42 pm
"What is the optimum concentration of carbon dioxide for the earth's atmosphere?" No.
David RiceJuly 22, 2013 8:41 pm
I made a few YouTube videos on the subject of Denialists lying about Second Order Draft AR5. These greedy lying bastards will say anything, even the exact opposite of what they claim scientists state, to further their greed.
Patrick ten BrinkJuly 22, 2013 5:50 pm
If the arctic (ocean) ice is to melt by the 2050s, what about the Greenland ice (much is arctic) or indeed the Siberian, Alaskan and Canadian permafrost (also part in the Arctic circle)? Ice on land melts more slowly than sea ice, so how much after 2050s will it be? Still within existing generations' timeframe?
QuestipJuly 22, 2013 5:07 pm
What is the optimum concentration of carbon dioxide for the earth's atmosphere?
JosephRatliffJuly 22, 2013 3:45 pm
I understand this might have been a "draft" version of the report. But as a layman, I'm tired of the debate. Get all the scientists together from every country that is willing, lock them in a room, and don't come out until they get the FINAL answer, do we or do we not have a climate change scenario that is "human caused" and what are the full, accurate details of that scenario? It's agreed that it's a problem or it isn't... no more drama.
renewableguyJuly 22, 2013 5:42 am
Nothing can be more important than to bring all the life on earth into our spirituality. Whatever religion you are, we can reconnect with ourselves and the universe through nature. The science has summed up over and over that humans are responsible for the climate change that has taken place over the last 150 years. The natural forces should be headed towards slightly cooling for the next 20000 years into another ice age. Instead co2 has overwhelmed the natural cycles and warmed the earth instead. This is very hard for conservatives of wealth to accept. I believe they understand the science and just don't like the economic consequences. There are plans to switch society over to the new paradigm of thinking. The societies that get there first will get a great deal of wealth from this. Guess what's happening in the United States right now. I don't think we are going to get there first. But get there we must. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_change The dominant mechanisms (to which recent climate change has been attributed) are anthropogenic, i.e., the result of human activity. They are:[1] increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases global changes to land surface, such as deforestation increasing atmospheric concentrations of aerosols. There are also natural mechanisms for variation including climate oscillations, changes in solar activity, variations in the Earth's orbit, and volcanic activity.
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Nick NaylorJuly 21, 2013 12:14 pm
It's shameful that the republicans in office today complain that we don't know enough about the causes of global warming to do anything about it. They then cut funding that would help us improve our understanding of the climate change that they are hell bent on subjecting us to. History will not be kind to these "leaders".
David RiceJuly 19, 2013 6:36 pm
Excellent news.
Michael SmithJuly 19, 2013 6:30 pm
I think if we depend totally on market pressures, coal will continue to grow. We need a tax on carbon to give nuclear, wind and solar the advantage they deserve because they do not contribute to global warming which is costing us hundreds of billions in damages from extreme weather like Hurricane Sandy and the droughts in the south-west and mid-west. California's attempt at Cap & Trade is one more opportunity for the banks and exchanges to screw us. We need a tax at the pump, power plant or smelting plant to make a serious difference. A tax of $40 per carbon ton works out to about 45 cents per gallon at the pumps. And the money should be returned to the people in the form of incentives for better insulation, more efficient cars and green energy research into bio fuels.
JanearthloverJuly 19, 2013 3:32 pm
Natural gas is not renewable energy.
Alessandra RibeiroJuly 19, 2013 8:04 am
Innovations in all areas of sustainable energy supply and energy consumption are among the most effective tools we have to fight the negative consequences of climate change. Existing technologies allow us to substantially reduce greenhouse gases in the U.S. by increasing energy efficiency and saving energy, leading to a sustainable use of resources. Intelligent climate solutions with clean energy provide ecological benefits as well as economic advantages. http://www.usa.siemens.com/energy-efficiency/energy-efficiency.html
kingkevin3July 18, 2013 10:41 pm
why on earth should anyone consult this convicted felon? He represents no constituency and thank god he can no longer actively influence policy on energy in this country. He's a buffoon and a convicted buffoon to boot.
Brad PettittJuly 18, 2013 5:19 pm
Well said. The time for a renewable future is now
Mridul ChadhaJuly 18, 2013 12:55 pm
The total capacity of the project is 125 MW rather than 100 MW. The entire capacity of 125 MW has been registered under CDM. The Indian government has contracted a capacity of 100 MW while 25 MW capacity will supply power to a private utility.
1st 4 SolarJuly 17, 2013 9:46 am
Hell hath no fury such as an ex Lib Con (in his case the Con is for convict, not Conservative) Energy Minister scorned. As an ex jail bird no one will take him seriously and lets be honest here; did we even take him seriously when he was in office?
VeeJuly 16, 2013 7:07 am
Hi Tim, Please can you provide the url link to abstract or the bibliographic reference from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences from which your article originates. Much appreciated.
RadPowerJuly 16, 2013 2:04 am
To learn more meet the inventors, scientists, researchers, and companies in this new renewable energy sector at the 2013 Airborne Wind Energy Conference in Berlin, Germany on September 10-11. http://www.awec2013.de/
Keith WoodwardJuly 12, 2013 6:36 pm
Yes, I've read that, so let's have a real scientific study to measure the risk to human health if such a fire occurred, but then let's compare that with the health risk associated with the increased use of coal (very dirty coal, by the way) in Germany alone. If that were done you would begin to understand why I say it's "unfounded".
Stephen KlaberJuly 12, 2013 2:12 pm
When thinking biofuels, stop thinking "crop based". There is an enormous quantity of weed biomass that we need to clear. Look at the Typha in Lake Chad. See it being handled better in Lake Winnipeg! We don't need to grow biofuels. We need to deplete the natural ones.
Adam_AntatheistJuly 12, 2013 11:48 am
"Macabre Indifference" 99.99% of us don't give a you-know-what where the energy comes from and how many it kills, as long as it's there 24/7, on demand. Fundamentally, that's why renewables will fall by the wayside as a serious answer to curing our fossil fuel burning addiction. When the fossil fuels become too scarce or nationally unaffordable, the screams will go up for a local Small Modular Breeder Reactor (SMBR) - the only future way to guarantee that 24/7, on demand energy.
Peter ClausenJuly 12, 2013 11:33 am
Dear Saleemul: Excellent article - I certainly agree, however with the caveat that climate injustice must change perception from your "individual polluter" to the individual consumer. As I see it, this is the only way to bring fight the injustice across the system.. Best, Peter
Mark OsborneJuly 11, 2013 3:52 pm
Stacking layers would be a key processing challenge. 15 years before commercially viable?
NutanJuly 11, 2013 8:05 am
Without having sufficient database or knowledge article phrase the headline as "The poor construction and location of hydropower project..". I believe Nilima is not at all aware about the methodology of developing a hydropower. A complete pre-feasibility, feasibility and detailed project reports are prepared before on ground starting of a hydropower project. In the process of it all relevant agencies like, Geological Survey of India, Ministry of Env.& forest, Central Water Commission, Ministry of Water resources (GoI), Central Electricity Authority, State government's different agencies are being intensively involved. This process itself takes couple of years. Local people are always been beneficial from the hydropower. Please don't advocate on behalf of we local people. Whatsoever prosperity has been trickled to we locals, much credit goes to these hydropower. We need bread and butter too. Don't try to push us in the jungles and woods. We also demand a healthy, prosper living style. You wish to make us like Egypt, where hydropower is become a dirty word (as per you)whereas why you are not advocating to make our life like Sweden, Norway etc where prime source of power is hydropower and it contribute 99.8% of total power demand. Encroachment in the riverbed is always catastrophic. It has to be understood. Centre for Science and Environment (CSE) has always been opposing power development, without giving a clue that how to take care of rising power demand of India. For god shake I will request you all not to advise for 'save power' sort of old and childish preaching. Don’t rub salt on our wounds.
ocschwarJuly 11, 2013 5:35 am
That unfounded aversion may be reinforced by the rising risk of new radiation releases in Chernobyl if a forest fire hits the exclusion zone.
hkwvictorJuly 11, 2013 3:45 am
Singapore did not suffer from wildfires. It was affected by haze from the wildfires in neighboring Indonesia.
Randall SemrauJuly 11, 2013 2:37 am
LOL....50 times faster than.....the descent into the last Ice Age, from which we are hopefully emerging? You should be a comedian!
Randall SemrauJuly 11, 2013 2:35 am
Ummm, no. The research results speak for themselves. Did you just begin following this topic?
Keith WoodwardJuly 10, 2013 12:45 pm
This probably bad news for their economy with their feed-in tarrifs, this will need to change, Germany has allowed unfounded nuclear aversion to damage the economy and to set new records for carbon emissions.
jfreed27July 9, 2013 1:02 pm
CO2 didn't initiate warming from past ice ages but it did amplify the warming. In fact, about 90% of the global warming followed the CO2 increase. http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
jfreed27July 9, 2013 12:59 pm
Who loves ya? Front groups have received over $100 million in order to generate misinformation and delay in facing climate change (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/15/1187343/-Secret-Fund-Funneled-120-Million-to-Climate-Change-Denial-Groups) For example, Charles and David Koch have dumped over 61 million dollars into front groups that attack climate science and policies designed to solve global warming (http://greenpeaceblogs.org/2012/04/02/koch-brothers-exposed-fueling-climate-denial-and-privatizing-democracy/) Many in this anti-science industry got their experience working for Big Tobacco. Result? Cancer and heart disease continued to spread. In creating doubt about AGW similar techniques are used (http://scienceblogs.com/scientificactivist/2009/04/24/industrys-anti-global-warming/) Naturally, much of what we will read in these Comments is the result of that $100+ million “investment”. Minus those millions, we would be having a very different conversation. Instead of fending off an army of flying monkeys, we would be doing the work of adults, finding solutions. The problem with this hyped up doubt and delay? We fail to address our civilization’s greatest problem, which, according to our very best scientific minds (http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php), is man made climate change. Unfortunately, the results of our delay will be with us for many hundreds of years, as CO2 does not quickly leave our atmosphere and our seas. Experts predict trillions of dollars and millions (if not billions) of lives atstake. Each year’s delay to get carbon under control is estimated to cost $600 billion (https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/01/14-3). And, more importantly, each year hundreds of thousands of lives are taken as a result of our changed climate, according to the very conservative World Health Organization.. Of course, all the top experts in the world (40,000 published scientists) have no authority or standing to a paid denier, clearly complicit in the growing destruction. The sole purpose their heavily financed misdirection is to make it easy for you to shrug your shoulders and simply not to care - though you should, if you care about your children. It is the job of each of us to urge our leaders to make the best possible decisions, which can be accomplished only if we clearly understand our situation. And good science, not smoke and mirrors, not arm waving, should be the basis. So, when you read the comments here, consider the source.
jfreed27July 9, 2013 12:56 pm
Right. Those grant applications are the key. And you, of course, have good evidence that the applicants must say, to get funds, "in this research we will somehow find evidence that AGW is real, man caused and dangerous". Only stuff like that, you claim, gets funded. And your evidence is...?
jfreed27July 9, 2013 12:52 pm
Gradual? Warming is occurring 50 times faster than in the past. But, hey, I'll gamble that everything will be just fine. What have we got to lose?
Linux Mint BookJuly 9, 2013 12:26 am
Well, the net effect on everything will probably be exactly what it was the last time global temperatures rose, around 1400 -- that is, precisely none. But please don't let that interfere with your grant application. We desperately need more scientists being paid to spread hysterical nonsense.
BelgianmJuly 8, 2013 8:16 pm
Google translation of which text exactly? I can't find work or statements by Pehr Björnbom saying anything like that. I've seen one press release he signed saying that media misinterpreting publications threaten to undermine researchers credibility. Google translation: "Misinterpreted climate report threatens researchers credibility" Are you perhaps misinterpreting something too?
RefracktionJuly 8, 2013 9:27 am
"I don’t know whether it will work in Britain, but we should get fracking right away" - er OK - you have no idea if it's a good idea but let's do it anyway eh Boris? Stupidity piled upon idiocy.
Bruce RichardsonJuly 8, 2013 6:40 am
Bacteria can evolve and adapt very quickly. Those fellows have to know that. The gradual temperature increase that we may or may not have over the next century should not be a problem. Those bacteria have adapted to far greater changes in climate over those billions of years than what we are likely to see over the next century.
samJuly 8, 2013 4:47 am
http://notrickszone.com/2013/06/10/murry-salbys-presentation-in-hamburg/ http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/07/swedish-scientist-replicates-dr-murry.html "Swedish climate scientist Pehr Björnbom has recently replicated the work of Dr. Murry Salby, finding that temperature, not man-made CO2, drives CO2 concentration in the atmosphere. Dr. Björnbom confirms Salby's hypothesis that the rate of change in carbon dioxide concentration in the air follows an equation that only depends on temperature change, detailed in his report Reconstruction of Murry Salby's theory that carbon dioxide increase is temperature driven [Google translation]." http://notrickszone.com/2013/02/03/top-swedish-climate-scientist-lennart-bengtsson-says-warming-not-noticeable-without-meteorologists/
AndreaJuly 7, 2013 11:35 am
what could have we done to prevent it ?
swag_outJuly 5, 2013 5:51 am
Breathing is natural. Burning dirty fossil fuels is not. Pollution from dirty energy adds extra carbon dioxide to the atmosphere and warms the planet.
Adam_AntatheistJuly 4, 2013 4:27 pm
5 GW of onshore wind capacity; 3 GW of offshore wind capacity. From before 4:00 pm yesterday, to after 9:00 pm, about 0.8 GW of wind power went into the National Grid (10% of nameplate capacity). Demand was at 40 GW at 4:00 pm, dropping to about 36 GW at 9:00 pm. Not much